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Debt Madness Was Always About Killing Social Security

Posted on Jul 27, 2011
AP / Carolyn Kaster

House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio looks on during a news conference at the Republican National Committee.

By Robert Scheer

This phony debt crisis has now passed through the looking glass into the realm where madness reigns. What should have been an uneventful moment in which lawmakers make good on the nation’s contractual obligations has instead been seized upon by Republican hypocrites as a moment to settle ideological scores that have nothing to do with the debt.

Hypocrites, because their radical free market ideology, and the resulting total deregulation of the financial markets, is what caused the debt to spiral out of control this last decade. That and the wars George W. Bush launched but didn’t have the integrity to responsibly finance. The consequence was a banking bubble and crash leading to a 50 percent run-up of the debt that has nothing to do with the “entitlements” that those same Republicans have always wanted to destroy. 

Even Barack Obama has put cuts in those programs into play, warning ominously that a failure to lift the debt ceiling could cause the government to stop sending out Social Security checks. Why, when the Social Security trust fund is fully funded for the next quarter-century and is owed money by the U.S. Treasury rather than the other way around? Why would we pay foreign creditors before American seniors? The answer, offered as conventional wisdom by leaders of both parties, is that we cannot endanger our credit by failing to back our bonds, even though the Republicans have aroused the alarm of the main U.S. credit rating agencies by their brinkmanship on the debt.

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What a topsy-turvy world when the same credit rating agencies that gave the thumbs up to the bankers’ toxic mortgage-backed securities and credit default swaps now threaten the AAA rating of U.S. Treasury bonds. According to them, it will not be enough to merely lift the debt ceiling—what had been assumed by both Republican and Democratic presidents to be a routine act. In addition to that, as the credit agency Standard & Poor’s has insisted, more than $4 trillion has to be cut from programs that mostly benefit the victims of the banking meltdown. Otherwise the agencies will downgrade the U.S. credit rating, leading to higher interest rates that will destroy what remains of the U.S. housing market, dim the prospect for any improvement in employment and further enrich the Chinese government and other holders of U.S. debt.

President Obama and the Senate Democratic leadership are clearly poised to cave in to those demands in the spirit of “compromise,” Obama’s favorite word, but the Republicans keep upping the ante. The GOP is shameless: Speaker John Boehner has sanctimoniously responded to Obama’s plea for a bargain that gives up almost everything to the right wing by rebuffing the president on the grounds that the Republican Party is the last line of defense against big government. 

Boehner dared blame Obama for “the largest spending binge in American history,” which he attributed to the health care reform, most of which has yet to be enacted, and a stimulus program that was an underfunded effort to save American jobs. Not a word from Boehner or the other Republicans about the banking collapse that resulted from their deregulatory policies, the real cause of the inflated debt.

Boehner’s slogan, “I’ve always believed, the bigger government, the smaller the people,” is downright bizarre coming from someone who supported the Bush tax cuts for the rich, the banking bailout and the highest war spending since World War II, all of which is what caused government to get this big. Was it job stimulus spending that kept GM jobs in this country that made people smaller, or the loss of their homes and jobs as a result of the policies that are at the core of the Republican program?

What is at stake is a radical Republican agenda to totally reverse the progress in economic justice that began with the great reforms of Franklin Roosevelt and his New Deal. Consider the direct consequence of the economic crisis that unfettered Wall Street greed has wrought, particularly in reversing the gains made by the most underprivileged sectors of the population. As The Wall Street Journal reported, based on a Pew Research Center study from 2005 to 2009, “The wealth gap between whites and each of the nation’s two largest minorities—Hispanics and blacks—has widened to unprecedented levels amid the housing crisis and the recession. … The disparities are the greatest since the government began tracking such data a quarter-century ago. …”

But there is plenty of suffering to go around as a result of the deep recession. The wealth of whites in that period declined by 16 percent, not to mention the ever-greater chasm between the top 2 percent and everyone else. That’s the same 2 percent whose tax cuts the Republicans are determined to preserve.

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By tolstoy, July 30, 2011 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

Think about americanselect.org, the newly forming “centrist” party, now at a million and a half members, an alternative to these tricky dicksters we now have in Dems, GOP, et al. http://www.amercanselect.org

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By smitty8, July 29, 2011 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

I appreciate the thoughtful
comments of hulk2008, but it is
a bit deceptive to say tha,
“Clinton was President during
NAFTA and obliteration of Glass-
Stiegel.” The fact of the matter
is that he was a supporter of
both and signed the legislation.

The HOMO “concept” may have been
around since 1910 but the
legislation that Clinton
introduced was developed through
secret meetings at the Jackson
Hole home of Paul Ellwood with
Alain Enthoven presiding. The
players present included mostly
major insurance industry
players. The result was the
burgeoning of HMOs which
specialized in enrolling mainly
young and well, denying claims,
and pushing out the really
needy. Yes, they were successful
in lowering prices. but at a
sorry cost to society. Kaiser,
the real pioneering HMO was
forced to go from being
“community rated” (where
everyone paid the same low
premium) to charging more for
the sick or old as they found
themselves increasingly burdened
with them and losing business to
the bottom feeding competition.

It is crazy and destructive to
talk about reducing Medicare
spending without cutting costs
and waste (yes, measure
outcome!) - rather like deciding
you will limit the number of
heart attacks or cancer
treatments you will perform.

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By Leefeller, July 29, 2011 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

When it comes to economics, Cliff is my school!

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By Gabriel, July 29, 2011 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

@ Cliff: “It is not the Tax Rate, Its the actual amount paid.”

Finally! I’ve been waiting all this time for someone on TD to actually put up this tax fact of the super rich. Now there’s hope for USA.

Take notice people, especially you GRYM, before making comments.

I congratulate you Cliff for actually knowing your stuff.
The rest of you ... go back to school.

Then find out whom the biggest “investors” are of all corporations and you will find the criminals.

Examples:
Saudi Prince = 40% of Murdoch media empire.
Kosh Brothers = ???
Federal Reserve = ???
Dick Chaney = ???
Rothschild = ???
Vatican = ???
These are only some of whom are screwing you over.

“Follow the money, stupid.”

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By Cliff Carson, July 29, 2011 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

ITW

Yes you not only warned me but you warned others about Trolls.  But they are not trying to convince me or you, or others like us. They are spinning to the uninformed.  They know that there are a lot of votes out there for the Republican Party if they blame it all on Obama.

Now don’t get me wrong, I have stated here on Trurthdig that Obama should be impeached, but that doesn’t excuse the Republican Party and its Trolls, they are even worse.  I have said that the Republican Party needs to be rejected by America now and forever.  The damage to this country brought by Republican Policies and Greed have just about brought America into Bankruptcy.

DaveZx3 Thank you for the excellent illustration of the massive problem so brilliantly shown in that link you provided.

When I trash the Republican Party, that doesn’t mean that I am endorsing the Democrat Party.  I agree with Dave, neither Party is good for America, and we surely need to do something about it.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 29, 2011 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

CC,
I warned you about wasting your time on a troll.  Andrew Mellon’s greatest legacy came in October 1929, when all his policies blew up as his political descendents’ blew up the same way for the same reasons in 2008.  Republicans don’t learn from their mistakes, they just blame the results on Democrats.

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By Cliff Carson, July 29, 2011 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

To GRYM

Ah yes, the old Republican “Spin”.

“As far back as the 1920s, Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon pointed out that the government received a very similar amount of revenue from high-income earners at low tax rates as it did at tax rates several times as high.”

Again the the “Truth” not spoken when a story is “spun”, is that “....a very similar amount…” in the case of GE and a host of the rest of the Rich and Powerful is NOTHING, NADA, NIL, ZILCH, ZERO, great Jesus Christ you people are just too much!

As I said before in this thread and maybe another one also on Truthdig, It is not the Tax Rate, Its the actual amount paid.  And in GE’s case the amount is not only “none paid” but here GE took some of the Taxes I paid ( and yours ) as it was given to them to stick in their bank account - along with their $14.3 Billion profit - in their $3.2 Billion Subsidy.  Enough to pay for their move to China.  And you support these parasites by your actions and your comments.

I believe that I read a report somewhere that almost 40% of all Large American International Corporations pay none of the United States Corporate tax rate.

GRYM you need to start being an American first instead of a shill for the Republican Party.

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By DaveZx3, July 29, 2011 at 1:29 am Link to this comment

Social Security is not an entitlement.  It is deffered compensation.  If my employer and I did not have to contribute to Social Security, then I should earn more money in my paycheck each pay day.  But we give it to the government to secure at least a small part of my retirement.  The government cannot default on this agreement without serious repercussions. 

This is exactly why people don’t trust government.  Not only did they spend all of my funds and your funds, but they went into obscene debt in addition to it.

If you go to url below, you can visualize the extent of national debt, and if this doesn’t make you choke, nothing will.  We really need to get an explanation from government as to why this level of debt is thought to be a good idea.  The sad part is that you really don’t know why they did it.

And don’t insult me with the Democrat/Republican thing.  They are partners in this Ponzi scheme. 

http://www.wealthwire.com/news/headlines/1562

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By Marian Griffith, July 29, 2011 at 12:47 am Link to this comment
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@CJ
“L’Etat c’est moi” (the state, that is me) is what Louis XIV is supposed to have said when advisors warned him that some of his plans were not to the benefit of the country. Of course he was eventually executed by his enraged subjects for acting too much on that belief.
I am not so certain that those super rich are really making a distinction between what is good for them, and what is good for the country. They may of course suffer the same fate for it as the French king if they manage to trample enough people into the mud.

Regarding your coments on self interest, I always considered the USA to be a bit of a theocracy (despite the official separation between church and state), but over the past two decades it has become increasingly less a Christian nation, even if the vast majority of the population still identifies itself as Christian. Instead the guiding principle of government and governing elite seems to be unfettered greed. One of the seven deadly sins, and known in the bible as Mammon. The Christian God took a dim view of that in the bible too, but it does not seem to bother those Americans who most strongly advertise their Christianity.

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By indc, July 29, 2011 at 12:46 am Link to this comment
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Obama can in with the intention of cutting social security and medicare.  The people he appointed support the republican agenda, and Obama the phoney democrat was going to deliver the goals republicans.

The man is nothing if not a phoney and lackey with not a trace of integrity or trustworthiness.  Worst president ever… astonishing accomplishment in only 2.5 years

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By Gabriel, July 29, 2011 at 12:20 am Link to this comment

It’s about time readers here realized they are getting royally screwed.

President is telling you to stand up and help him or otherwise the rip-off idiots win.

Keep in mind ultimately The People are the Law ... NOT government, businesses, corporations, banks, stock market [casinos], elites, their secret societies, industrial military complex, police, private security, nor monarchy. YOU, The People ARE the Law of the Land.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/28/wealth_gap_between_minorities_and_white

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/28/richard_wolff_debt_showdown_is_political

Once You the people stand up to them you win. Once you win you can take over all their corrupt institutions by sending them to jail.

The economy is going to crash anyway, it’s designed to every 20 yrs, as part of the continuing rip-off by Federal Reserve and installed British [now EU] economic system. Actually now every 2 yrs. That’s your real enemy hiding in the background.

How bad is it?
All it would take is 0.05% in taxes of super rich to save the so-called economy, all social services, roads and rest of infrastructure, health care for everyone, feed & house the poor, stop all wars and restore Earth to it’s former green glory. Instead they want to be assholes by forcing another bailout for themselves.

As they did in Germany, you need to ask only one question:
Can USA do better than corrupt Capitalism?

smile

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By Litl Bludot, July 28, 2011 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment

Queenie

Wonderful. That’s what I haven’t seen here, some honest to god outrage at being
lied to, ripped off, decieved, by that mass murdering power pimp in the white
house.  Good.  That’s what it’s going to take.  I think your great!!!

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By blogdog, July 28, 2011 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

Tobin Tax - 1% at the point of purchase on all financial investments: stocks & bonds

Make Derivatives again Illegal & force immediate real-market-value settlement of all
derivatives

Seize the Federal Reserve and issue 1% credit only to productive endeavors, engaging
domestic labor - all financial speculators must borrow in the market at prevailing rates

will this chill the ‘markets’? - you bet it will - time for some discipline - out of the
casino and back to work - send out of work stock brokers to the fields to pick, prune
and cultivate - honest work for an honest wage

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By Queenie, July 28, 2011 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT GOD DAMN IT!!

When I put money into my credit union, it goes into my account. When I go to withdraw it, plus interest, do they tell me, “Sorry”? No they do not. It is mine. I own it.

We are witnessing our own government stealing what belongs to others who have PAID IN ALL THEIR FUCKING WORKING LIFE and when they reach retirement, THEY WANT IT BACK! THAT WAS THE DEAL!

Anyone with a brain knows the Republicans have always hated this deal. This New Deal. Most of them hate other people as a rule. They have always been like a bunch of cannibals ready and willing to eat the weakest.

But the Democrats? Jesus God. They have all been eaten, seems like. If not by the cannibals then by their own greed-filled egos.

And that traitor to all decent people, that thieving mass murderer in the White House, the president? He may have wanted a legacy such as Mandella, but he’s going to get one more like Idi Amin.

I spit on him.

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By gerard, July 28, 2011 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

According to the Friends (Quakers) Committee on National Legislation with offices in D.C..

In order of effectiveness, how we can best influence our elected representatives: (from a poll of congressional staff by the Congressional Management Foundation)

Constituent Visits
Consituent Representative Visit (a group who represents constituents)
Individualized Letters
Individualized Email
Individualized Faxes
Phone Calls
Lobbyist Visit
Form Letters
Form email
Form faxes
(Note absence of any need to send money (bribery)

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By Go Right Young Man, July 28, 2011 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Ideals vs. Realities
By Thomas Sowell

Many of us never thought that the Republicans would hold tough long enough to get President Obama and the Democrats to agree to a budget deal that does not include raising income tax rates. But they did - and Speaker of the House John Boehner no doubt desires much of the credit for that.

Despite the widespread notion that raising tax rates automatically means collecting more revenue for the government, history says otherwise.

As far back as the 1920s, Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon pointed out that the government received a very similar amount of revenue from high-income earners at low tax rates as it did at tax rates several times as high.

How was that possible? Because high tax rates drive investors into tax shelters, such as tax-exempt bonds. Today, as a result of globalization and electronic transfers of money, “the rich” are even less likely to stand still and be sheared like sheep, when they can easily send their money overseas, to places where tax rates are lower.

Money sent overseas creates jobs overseas - and American workers cannot transfer themselves overseas to get those jobs as readily as investors can send their money there.

All the overheated political rhetoric about needing to tax “millionaires and billionaires” is not about bringing in more revenue to the government. It is about bringing in more votes for politicians who stir up class warfare with rhetoric.

Now that the Republicans seem to have gotten the Democrats off their higher taxes kick, the question is whether a minority of the House Republicans will refuse to pass the Boehner legislation that could lead to a deal that will spare the country a major economic disruption and spare the Republicans from losing the 2012 elections by being blamed - rightly or wrongly - for the disruptions.

Is the Boehner legislation the best legislation possible? Of course not! You don’t get your heart’s desire when you control only one house of Congress and face a presidential veto.

The most basic fact of life is that we can make our choices only among the alternatives actually available. It is not idealism to ignore the limits of one’s power. Nor is it selling out one’s principles to recognize those limits at a given time and place, and get the best deal possible under those conditions.

That still leaves the option of working toward getting a better deal later, when the odds are more in your favor.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 28, 2011 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

Ideals vs. Realities II

There would not be a United States of America today if George Washington’s army had not retreated and retreated and retreated, in the face of an overwhelmingly more powerful British military force bent on annihilating Washington’s troops.

Later, when the conditions were right for attack, General Washington attacked. But he would have had nothing to attack with if he had wasted his troops in battles that would have wiped them out.

Similar principles apply in politics. As Edmund Burke said more than two centuries ago: “Preserving my principles unshaken, I reserve my activity for rational endeavors.”

What does “rational” mean? At its most basic, it means an ability to make a ratio, as with “rational numbers” in mathematics. More broadly, it means an ability to weigh one thing against another.

There are a lot of things to weigh against each other, not only as regards the economy, but also what the consequences to this nation would be to have Barack Obama get re-elected and go further down the dangerous path he has put us on, at home and abroad. Is it worth that risk to make a futile symbolic vote in Congress?

One of the good things about the tea party movement is that it resisted the temptation to actually form a third political party, which has been an exercise in futility, time and time again, under the American electoral system.

But, if the tea party movement within the Republican Party becomes just a rule-or-ruin minority, then they might just as well have formed a separate third party and gone on to oblivion.

Writers can advocate things that have no chance at the moment, for their very writing about those things persuasively can make them possible at some future date. But to adopt the same approach as an elected member of Congress risks losing both the present and the future.

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By Nf, July 28, 2011 at 11:36 am Link to this comment
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A lack of future time orientation more than anything else is likely the cause of lower net
worth by certain classes of people. Those same classes spend without thought on
unneeded items such as tatoos etc.

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By CJ, July 28, 2011 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

The old Soviet leadership used to send people to “asylums” for not thinking
correctly, according to dogma. I’ve thought these so-called “freshmen”
members of Congress, along with so many like Boehner are suffering from
delusion. They DO lie all the time. There is no lie they won’t tell or hide behind.
Obviously, they’re hypocrites.

So do Democrats (lie, and are also hypocrites). Same for big media. Carney lies
daily or at least tries to obscure, which is his principle function. But how many
are delusional and by what standard can that be measured?

By death count for one thing, specifically that resulting from unnatural causes.
I’d think that would be the bottom line—number of deaths resulting from
extent and proposed policies vs. never seriously proposed alternative policies
that by reason would, if implemented, result in fewer deaths, not to mention
better quality of life for as many as possible.

By that measure, lying about Social Security (exactly as Scheer notes) and then
adopting policies that will reduce assistance that is necessary as a result of
previous policies, such as the Bush tax cuts, a majority of government is
suffering delusion. (Not even counting insane foreign policy that continues to
result in thousands of murdered non-citizens from Mexico to Iraq to Okinawa.
American policy is everywhere influential, lethal and unaccounted for.)

Scheer writes that it’s the intent and thus policy of Republicans to bring down
the welfare state as constructed mostly starting with FDR, though the welfare
state was and continues to be an absolute necessity world-wide as a simple
matter of the massive destructiveness of capitalism, which claims to rely,
absurdly enough and according to Smith, on each looking out for his own
interest. (How’s that goin’?) Otherwise, there’d have been even more murdered.
As a practical matter, it’s also true that failing to mitigate would also have
reduced the available pool of labor that is essential to accumulation. However,
out-and-out slavery would have served and so some progress was made as a
matter of human capacity for caring for one another, resulting in the liberal
institutions Hedges writes about from time to time and which have been or are
being abandoned, like right now in the case of (system-abusive term)
“entitlements.”

We know about Wall Street, its influence over politicians who continue to claim
they represent us and that differences, so they say, are merely matters of
“ideology.” (Not really ideology, which they share in toto.) Wall Street resides in
delusion/denial by aforementioned standard. Or not…

The answer is always, “We can’t afford it”? But that’s a demonstrable lie when
we certainly can afford it. They mean to say, THEY can’t afford it, not WE can’t
afford it. Matter of pronouns.

Fromm did an excellent analysis of the Nazi mentality, probably coming as
close as anyone has to labeling it for what it was: necrophilia, a pathology. I’m
writing only of delusion from a humanist, universally moral (per Chomsky)
standpoint. Matter of ethics not found in, say, the plant kingdom.

If no delusion, then forget all that bleeding-heart crap. THEY’RE self-interest is
all that really matters, and we, apparently, agree for the most part. If not, why
are they where they are under circumstances of capitalist democracy, which
albeit is something of an oxymoron? What delusion then? Hypocrisy? What’s the
problem? Matter of self-interest.

By that prevailing standard attempts at compromise—phony debate or not—are
logically absurd. Unless they kinda, sorta know better? In which case, don’t
forget all that and revolt when and where possible, even if that amounts only to
seeing them off to someplace or other whereat to be reminded of what it’s
supposed to mean to be a human being, which is not and cannot be a SELF-
(CENTERED) INTERESTED one. If THAT’S not TOO dogmatic?

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By Marian Griffith, July 28, 2011 at 10:32 am Link to this comment
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@Prisnersdilemma
—-when America is hollowed out completely where will the plutocrats go when they go under?—-

Should that come to pass then the plutocrats will own the USA in fact rather than in effect like they do now.
One of the ways for the government to reduce its spending is by ‘privatising’ services (you could see in Jeltsin’s Russia how well that worked out for anybody but the plutocrats), and auctioning off government property (same really, but many countries in Europe are by now realising that the ‘free market’ ideology mostly means people have to pay more for less because all those CEOs want their multi million dollar bonuses and have a virtual monopoly, whereas the civil servants that preceded them had a ceiling to their income and no incentive rip off their customers).
Both approaches boil down to the government exchanging revenue generating property in exchange for all that money it first gave to the richest 0.1 pct through the whole quantitative easing and zero-interest rate policy. In other words they are getting the goods for free but disguise it as ‘necessary’ transactions to downsize the government.
Economically speaking that whole QE and 0-intersted was exceedingly foolish policy and predictably abused by the banks for all they could. Effectively the government printed 1 trillion dollar, gave it to the banks and then told them: if you give it back to us then we will pay you 4pct interest on it (small wonder that the goldman saches of banking could repay their billion dollar loans within a year). It sort of kept the banks afloat, not that they really needed it, but it would have been a lot more productive if the government had used that trillion dollar to fund infrastructural (i.e. requiring a lot of labour) projects. Instead of waiting for all that money to leak out of the country through all the accidental and deliberate cracks and leaks in the tax code to countries that promised to pay even more than 4pct interest.

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By msb, July 28, 2011 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

While I have no disagreement with Scheer’s portrayal of the Republicans as
hypocritical, shameless, and out to totally dismantle the great social programs
that began with the New Deal, they would never have gotten this close to
achieving their aims without the aid and abetment of the Democratic party.

Scheer appears to have a selective memory. Most of the bank deregulation
happened under Clinton’s watch with the enactment of the most sweeping
bank deregulation bill in American history. The people that had a hand in it
later became Obama’s economic advisors when he took office.

Obama is not caving to the Republicans. He is leading the way with regressive
proposals and legislation. Obama proposed even larger spending cuts than
those called for by the Republicans, as well as offering to put cuts to Social
Security on the table. The debt madness may have always been about killing
Social Security. But it is not just the Republicans who are holding the knife.

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By David J. Cyr, July 28, 2011 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, Robert Scheer:

“According to [the credit rating agencies], it will not be enough to merely lift the debt ceiling—what had been assumed by both Republican and Democratic presidents to be a routine act…”
____________________

Raising the debt ceiling is apparently assumed to be routinely necessary by nearly everyone in America. That’s not surprising, since Republican and Democrat voters routinely provide 99% popular vote mandates for more war.

People who want America’s debt ceiling to be raised do not want its wars of aggression to be ended.

The Devolution of Liberalism:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=496&Itemid=1

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By Inherit The Wind, July 28, 2011 at 5:29 am Link to this comment

Tony,
Yes the loss of Social Security will be devastating. That’s why I think the President should say that if the Tea Party and the GOP force default the first pensioners to be cut off should be in the districts of those very Congressmen and Congresswomen. And any State with two Republican Senators and no Democratic Congresspersons should also be cut off.

MAKE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CUT SPENDING BE THE FIRST TO FEEL ITS EFFECTS!

Half of my mother’s income comes from Social Security. My father and mother worked all their lives, my father from the time SocSec began, paying into it. This isn’t charity, it’s collecting what they, now she were owed.

Republicans have never been above stealing ordinary people’s money to fund the wealthy.

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By Gabriel, July 28, 2011 at 2:58 am Link to this comment

Some ideas to put super rich back in their place:

1. Boycott businesses and corporations that moved outside of country and those whom rip PPL off, those that are unjust, corrupt and tyrannical

2. charge them at every turn for loss of your time, aggravation, injury, losses, etc. Going rate is 10k per hr, 100k per incident, 1 Mil in case of being detained or arrested, 100 Mil for sustaining an injury [even a bruise or a scratch], 1 Bil for in case of death ... or equivalent in Gold. Preferably charge them in Gold.

3. there is NO law that says you need to pay taxes on “work”. Job is different as it’s for a corporation.

4. learn how to discharge debt. See Winston Shrout, Freeman Society, Lawful Rebellion and all related.
Example: http://projectarise.com/debtelimprocesses.php
- good idea to save this page and vid clips in case it goes down

5. Abolish the Federal Reserve, a private for profit business. Whenever a country has to pay interest for money being printed it can’t get out of debt.

6. support your local community and it’s local trade. Keeps the shills out. Money and resources stay locally.

7. become self-sufficient. According to settler’s rights you are entitled to enough land to sustain you for ever, usually 1/4 section of land per free individual, up to full section per family. All you need to do is “claim” it and ALL the rights to it. You can build anything you want on it as long as you don’t degrade or poison your neighbors.

8. support your freedoms and back them up with guns. Lots and lots of guns. It’s the only thing keeping the shills at bay. In Canada we have 6.5 million registered guns [mostly garbage ones] and another 20 to 30 million much better ones [just in case] to a population of 32 Million. Yet we don’t shoot each other over stupid shit. It’s called culture and education. Think about it.

9. demand your bank doesn’t charge you service charges. They steal enough money from you already.

10. learn your Sovereign rights. Not just ones from constitution but go back to original ones from start of history. They are much more than you would expect.

11. take any politician whom doesn’t keep their promises to court and charge them according to your fee schedule and the law. Law being the Natural Law, Constitution, Common Law and Common Sense. They took an Oath, keep ‘em to it or fire their asses out the door.

12. prepare, prepare and prepare some more. You should have a minimum of 3 yrs food, water and supplies in case economy crashes, as it’s designed to do. Think as if you are building a castle that you need to protect for 3+ yrs from all enemies OR you will be at sea for same length of time and need to build a ship for the purpose. Then pirates can be a killer.

13. why do you need to register anything? You are already perfect and don’t need to make another contract.

14. Did you know that when you get off work [your job] you become a Free Sovereign Being that’s not under UCC, Civil or Admiralty Law, but under Common Law?

15. Your neighbors are your support group. Choose them well and Know them well.

16. look up evidence which powers-that-be don’t want you to know.
Some Examples: http://www.whale.to/b/tav.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMKtfDu9oyY
http://www.chronicle.su/news/
recaptcha-logs-identities-of-anonymous-4chan-users
http://www.marcstevens.net
http://www.keelynet.com
http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/research.htm
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/7252/
Old_World_Secrets_the_Omega_Project_Codes
http://www.freedom-school.com
http://www.kahealani.com/ucc
http://hackaday.com
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

I’m sure you can expand from these.

Cheers from a Free Canadian smile

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By ardee, July 28, 2011 at 2:53 am Link to this comment

Maybe I have got this wrong, but I sense that Americans don’t really care or even like their Fellow Americans - and hate nearly all foreigners in foreign lands.

Tony

Yes, you would be wrong. Methinks you judge all Americans by the few who get media coverage, a serious mistake.

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By Gabriel, July 28, 2011 at 1:27 am Link to this comment

WOW .. It’s a bonus to see PPL actually presenting solutions besides the regular blah blah bithin’
For this I must commend John R & Morpheus .. and anyone else i may have missed.

@JohnR: it’s good to learn from Vets and teach as many friends as possible. Yet this needs to go much further to exposing the hidden powers, mainly investors. Then every last one of the super rich, bankers, tycoons, royalty, tyrants, power nuts Military leaders and rest of control freak gang.

At the same time charge them for their crimes using a Notice of Understanding and maybe a Claim of Right as well. They don’t comprehend anything else but the loss of funds.

@Morpheus: nice website but it’s not enough It must contain explicit ideas for a better tomorrow, Actual tech. and it’s working plans, free energy tech., permaculture, oil alternatives, real food, housing and rest of society as is needed. A full plan to replace present corrupt system.

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By Textynn, July 27, 2011 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment
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It is indescribably sinister for these fat cats to go
after SS when it is solvent for decades and serves so
many vulnerable people.  Money they have no business
going after. Money which legally is seperate from
these people and their shananagans.  it is nothing
but pure theft explained with the logic of a selfish
toddler.

It is completely indefensible how our government and
that lying Obama slime has come up with these lame
excuses to take the money of old and aging people
after lifetimes of working in stagnant wages and
fewer and fewer good jobs. It is like a direct effort
to provoke. It is like a concerted effort to degrade. 
I bet bankers are licking their chops over all those
grandma houses they’ll be taking over and foreclosing
on.

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By prisnersdilema, July 27, 2011 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

Yes, Cliff I read your post about G.E., soon they will find out there is no product loyalty
to American products in China…when America is hollowed out completely where will the
plutocrats go when they go under?

The job creators, as the The Republican swine call them, create their jobs overseas..The
job creators don’t create jobs here, here they destroy them.

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By Lincoln Steffens, July 27, 2011 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment
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Do we need Mr Fish to draw you a picture?

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By Lincoln Steffens, July 27, 2011 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment
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Christ Mr. Scheer, Republicans radical free market ideology, and the resulting total deregulation of the financial markets, is what caused the debt to spiral out of control this last decade? Yes, reagan ushered it in, but it was Clinton who officially signed off on the death warrant that philosophy brought and in which Obama preaches to this very day and every bit in line with the republicans. What really lends your critique invalid and devoid of any sort of critical thinking is your continued Opology that Obama caves. Obama does not cave, Obama is who he is, not what he pretends to be and the policies he supports and signs off on are his and they fall in line with the rest of the Chicago School of supply side trickle down economic neo-liberals. Can you not see the Potemkin Village that Obama has built, the facade and charade of which only Hollywood would be proud?

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By SteveL, July 27, 2011 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment

Let’s assume Mr. Scheer is correct.  Then we are having yet another argument over
false pretences.  Much like the Iraq war where WMD’s were never the reason for
going there.  If Social Security is indeed the reason for the current dispute then
let’s have the debate over that instead off all this backroom crap.

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By Doublestandards/glasshouses, July 27, 2011 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment
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Tony_opmoc
You have to understand that the US is not a civilized country.  It is run by what amounts to gangsters otherwise known as corporations for the benefit of about 10% of the population.  There was a brief period running from the World War 2 era up until the late 1960’s when there were people in our government who wanted to do something politically, socially, and economically for the benefit of all but the battle was lost due to the fact that the corporations own the media and the politicians.  In this country corporations have the same legal rights as individuals.  For legal purposes they are considered persons with all the constitutionally guaranteed rights of persons.  They have rigged the political system so that it takes a fortune to run for high political office and because they are “persons” they have the right to give unlimited amounts of money to the candidates of their choice.  They don’t discriminate between the two parties - they buy anybody and everybody, therefore they get what they want; and what they want is a docile population of obedient workers who have little financial security.  What they want is for all the wealth to keep flowing upwards.  The top 10% has as much wealth as the bottom 90% combined and they want to keep it that way.  What the bottom 90% want is irrelevent.  Polls keep showing that the vast majority do not want Social Security or Medicare to be cut but that makes no difference to the politicians.  They are going to cut it anyway because they are owned by the corporations.  You are presently undergoing an austerity program in the UK.  It makes no difference to your MP’s that students will not be able to afford their university tuition.  It is like that here only much, much worse.  Gangsterism is much more advanced and powerful here.  Also people here do not protest as the students did there.  There is a lot more fear of the government here.

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By JimBob, July 27, 2011 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

Bob, you lost me right off the top.  “Radical free-
market ideology”??  What evidence do you rely on to
demonstrate that Republicans want “free markets”?  Do
they even know what “free markets” are?  Free markets
are what have existed in most of human history, a
devil-take-the-hindmost, law-of-the-jungle, might-
makes-right slaughterhouse of injustice and cruelty
that Westerners have no concept of.  They don’t want
“free markets”—they want distorted markets that
distort in their direction.  They want no help for
the poor (who are just lazy) or the sick (let natural
selection run its course—I can afford all the
health care I need so the hell with you) or the
unfortunate (there’s no such thing as luck).  Free
markets gave the world France under the Looies,
Russia after Perestroika, the Congo today. 
No, “free markets” is just today’s Republican code
for “no more money for brown people.”

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By Textynn, July 27, 2011 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment
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Obama is a Trojan Horse.  He is just as sickening as
Walker serving the Koch Empire. Obama serves the
Goldman Sach’s / Banking Cartel and after the Repubs
gave the Banks all the money in the treasury to cover
their utter hillbilly level business incompetence of
screwing all their customers cross=eyed, the
banksters simply played the party game, got
themselves a stooge on the other side (Dems) and had
him take the country down and privatize everything
all while we were scratching out heads. 

Obama’s WH privatized the Welfare program without
talking about it. And it’s turning into a slave trade
pee test money making organization and that’s just
the start.

Voting for Obama is like staying with a man who is
having his third child with his mistress while his
wife supports him.

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By Litl Bludot, July 27, 2011 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment

Under Obama, it’s the only time that social security has not been increased due to
cost of living, FOR TWO YEARS.  Not even the bushes or Reagan did this.

The increased cost of food and gas has been taken out of the COLA.

Some of you rant and rave about the Republicans.  When will you realize that
Obama is a Republican mole, in the guise of of a liberal black man?  He’s an
amoral power pimp for the corporate fascists.  He’s pimping us off, and has been
for more than two years.  I guess you’re too abused to realize what’s happening to
you, just like a strung out street hooker.

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By tony_opmoc, July 27, 2011 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

I live in England. So far as I can gather US Social Security does not mean the same as it does in England and is roughly equivalent to The UK State Pension.

In the UK, Social Security generally refers to people who need financial support because of disability or long term unemployment. Basically we don’t like to see people starving to death on the streets.

The UK State Pension is a different thing altogether. Basically its a contractual agreement. All people who earn a living - pay into the UK state pension fund throughout their working lives through their National Insurance Contributions. Mothers who stay at home whilst their Children are growing up - receive credits - as if they were working.

The UK State Pension is a “Right” - much like a Private Pension Fund. You pay into it all your life until you reach retirement age. It was never perceived as “Charity”. You worked and paid for it. If you didn’t work for whatever reason you would still be entitled to social security - to keep you alive - even in old age.

Medical Care has been free for all since around 1948, and most of the time it is of high quality.

If I was an American approaching or beyond retirement age, the kind of stuff I have been reading over the last few days would frighten me to death.

If US Social Security is Cut - 45% of US Pensioners would immediately descend into abject Poverty and many thousands would Freeze and Starve To Death in The Coming Winter.

Is this the USA?

Is this actually The POOREST Country In The World - Not even up to the Level of 3rd World Status?

In The 3rd World - Families Look After Their Old.

Maybe I have got this wrong, but I sense that Americans don’t really care or even like their Fellow Americans - and hate nearly all foreigners in foreign lands.

Tony

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By poodfreemon, July 27, 2011 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment
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Why would Hillary Clinton (D) vote for a phony war in Iraq? Why would Bill Clinton (D) sign legislation that destroyed Glass/Steagall? Why are we still in Iraq and Afghanistan, Barry?

Is this ‘current state’ our self-destructive style of imperialism? Is there no one on the planet willing (and smart enough) to blow this DC crap out of the water? Are we ALL on the take?

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By Cliff Carson, July 27, 2011 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

To all on this thread:

As we have been writing about the Republican attack on Social Security and Medicare, how many of you have heard that General Electric announced today that they were moving their X-Ray Manufacturing to China?

They say they will spend $2 Billion on Facilitation and Staffing.  No jobs will be created in the United States.  What is the irony here?

Well GE is a Corporate supporter of the Republican Party.  Obama hired a Republican ( in a move he thought would help Bi-Partisanship) to run his Jobs for America Program.  That same man Obama hired to develop jobs in America worked for GE, and it was he who announced the China Move.  I believe he was one of the deal makers.  There’s more.

General Electric was one of the Companies that I reported on Truthdig two or three weeks ago that paid no Corporate Taxes in 2010.  In fact they got subsidies into the millions of dollars. 

Does anyone remember how many Billions of Taxpayer dollars was taken from us taxpayers and given to GE to bail them out?

And here the Republican Party is screaming to cut Social Security and Medicare so that Corporate America can keep on not paying Corporate Taxes and keep on receiving Subsidies.  So they can create jobs in America say the Republicans!

I spoke about the Republican scam at 6:28AM and about overseas investment at 10:34 AM today, on this thread.

How can anyone vote Republican?  This Party is not worthy of American trust.  We need to turn our backs on the Republican Party forever.

Please read Stiglitz,  Of the 1%, For the 1%, By the 1%.  It is what is going on in our Country.  The Republican Party is selling out America while asking for your vote.

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By Doug, July 27, 2011 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment
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It’s excellent articles like this one that keep me coming back to Truthdig. To bad but it’s true, so very true…
What should have been an uneventful moment in which lawmakers make good on the nation’s contractual obligations has instead been seized upon by Republican hypocrites as a moment to settle ideological scores that have nothing to do with the debt.

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By Leefeller, July 27, 2011 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

Cliff, Thanks for the comment on Fact Check, I was hoping and suspected as much, the money has been passing through other hands and I had figured Fact Check was cherry picking their comment, wonder who they really are?

Sounds like someone can pull the wool over ones eyes, seeming when the time is right?

You know, if Social Security is solvent for the next 15 or so years, why are they telling us if they do not raise the deficit, no SSI checks will be coming? Of course, they have been tapping the till, I suspect our money is in IOU’s!

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By Not One More!, July 27, 2011 at 4:00 pm Link to this comment

Does anybody else find it absurd that the democrats and republicans are not fighting over how the wars should end; when Guantanamo should be closed down; whether the Wall Street trillion dollar giveaway was a mistake; or why the most ‘powerful’ nation doesn’t have universal health care? Of course, why fight if they are in agreement about those issues.

What are they fighting over? They are fighting over which party wants to cut more from Social Security, Medicare, and school programs. Both parties want to show how strong they are by publicly declaring how brutal they can be to our fellow citizens as they yank these vital life support mechanisms out from under the most fragile of us.

If you still think that the democratic or republican party is looking out for your interests, you better hope that you are a member of the corporate elite, because that is the only entity that is benefiting from these proposed policy changes. Vote third party. So it goes.

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By MarthaA, July 27, 2011 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

tops, July 27 at 11:55 am,

You are correct. Social Security is NOT the problem.  The problem is
Conservatism’s Lite-RIGHT and HARD-RIGHT Republican Duopoly’s
sophism, manipulative dialectic and propaganda to destroy the 70%
Majority Common Population, the American Populace, from having a
support structure
, and Lite-RIGHT Republicans carry the name
Democrat, which makes it difficult for the populace to vote them out. 
No U.S. citizen of the 70% Majority Common Population, the American
Populace, should ever vote for a Republican again.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/
alan_grayson_tells_it_like_it_is_20110721/

Florida Democratic Party Candidate Alan Grayson is a
Harvard graduate
and one of the few politicians
that have any concern for the populace Left,
therefore I contribute to the support of Alan Grayson.  No one on the
Republican side cares anything at all about the
plight of the 70% Majority Common Population, the American Populace.

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By anaman51, July 27, 2011 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

The Republicans have been all about dismantling Social Security ever since it was created. They believe that only the wealthy are entitled to retire comfortably, and the rest of you elderly losers can just go back to work until you drop dead on the job. After all, what good are you if you can’t pay taxes anymore?

Every time you see a Republican talk about “fixing” Social Security, he or she really means “destroying.” They’ve been stealing nickels and dimes from the poor for so long that the elderly and disabled are now living on less than the Government’s own established poverty level. How is this serving the people who built this nation into what it is today?

If you Republicans think you’re going to get away with it this time, remember that there are over sixty-five million retired and disabled human beings in this country. You think we don’t matter, but we are tired of being robbed. We are pissed off, AND WE VOTE!

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By MarthaA, July 27, 2011 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

tops, July 27 at 11:55 am,

You are correct.  Social Security is NOT the problem.  The problem is
Conservatism’s Lite-RIGHT and HARD-RIGHT Republican Duopoly’s
sophism, manipulative dialectic and propaganda to destroy the 70%
Majority Common Population, the American Populace, from having a
support structure
, and Lite-RIGHT Republicans carry the name
Democrat, which makes it difficult for the populace to vote them out. 
No U.S. citizen of the 70% Majority Common Population, the American
Populace, should ever vote for a Republican again.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/
alan_grayson_tells_it_like_it_is_20110721/

Florida Democratic Party Candidate Alan Grayson is a
Harvard graduate
and one of the few politicians
that have any concern for the populace Left,
therefore I contribute to the support of Alan Grayson.  No one on the
Republican side cares anything at all about the
plight of the 70% Majority Common Population, the American Populace.

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By MarthaA, July 27, 2011 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

tops, July 27 at 11:55 am,

You are correct.  Social Security is NOT the problem.  The problem is
Conservatism’s Lite-RIGHT and HARD-RIGHT Republican Duopoly’s
sophism, manipulative dialectic and propaganda to destroy the 70%
Majority Common Population, the American Populace, from having a
support structure
, and Lite-RIGHT Republicans carry the name
Democrat, which makes it difficult for the populace to vote them out. 
No U.S. citizen of the 70% Majority Common Population, the American
Populace, should ever vote for a Republican again.

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By lacasson, July 27, 2011 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment
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Ardee has it right.  Robert Scheer, who up until recently deserved credit for his political insights and keen eye, seems now to be incapable of perceiving Obama and the Democratic Party as equally responsible for the ongoing threats to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Scheer wrote: “Even Barack Obama has put cuts in those programs into play, warning ominously that a failure to lift the debt ceiling could cause the government to stop sending out Social Security checks.”

“EVEN” Barack Obama? The man has been president for 2+ years now.  Where has Mr. Scheer been?  From Day One, with the appointments of Geithner and Summers, upping the ante for Bush’s corporate bailouts, moving on to expanding the U.S. war machine further into the Middle East, to draconian measures against whistleblowers (Manning, Assange) to the current theatrical tug of war with Boehner, Mr. Obama and his party have been right there alongside their Republican colleagues,proud of their “kindler and gentler” approach to decimating the social safety net for millions of Americans.

The Republicans have made it very easy to write a column in TruthDig that demonizes their evil ways. I could do that in my sleep. But drawing Obama and the Democratic Party into the same circle means admitting there’s nowhere else to go in our corporatized two-party system.  As disillusioning as it may be, it’s crucial that we face reality and recoginize Obama for what and who he is.

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By MarthaA, July 27, 2011 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

tops, July 27 at 11:55 am,

You are correct.  Social Security is NOT the problem.  The problem is
Conservatism’s Lite-RIGHT and HARD-RIGHT Republican Duopoly’s
sophism, manipulative dialectic and propaganda to destroy the 70%
Majority Common Population, the American Populace, from having a
support structure, and Lite-RIGHT Republicans carry the name
Democrat, which makes it difficult for the populace to vote them out. 
No citizen of the 70% Majority Common Population, the American
Populace, should ever vote for a Republican again.

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By MarthaA, July 27, 2011 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

tops, July 27 at 11:55 am,

You are correct.  Social Security is NOT the problem.  The problem is
Conservatism’s Lite-RIGHT and HARD-RIGHT Republican Duopoly’s
sophism, manipulative dialectic and propaganda to destroy the 70%
Majority Common Population, the American Populace, from having a
support structure, and Lite-RIGHT Republicans carry the name
Democrat, which makes it difficult for the populace to vote them out in the Primaries. 
No citizen of the 70% Majority Common Population, the American
Populace, should ever vote for a Republican again, they are all EXTREMISTS.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/
alan_grayson_tells_it_like_it_is_20110721/

Democratic Party Candidate Alan Grayson is a
Harvard graduate and one of the few politicians
that have any concern for the populace Left,
therefore I support Alan Grayson.  No one on the
Republican side care anything at all about the
plight of the 70% Majority Common Population,
the American Populace.

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By Cliff Carson, July 27, 2011 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Top

I was very surprised that FactCheck would give a FACT without realizing there was more to it.  The Government itself has admitted to $2.5 Trillion that has been “used” for other purposes.  I think that figure is low.

FactCheck can lose their credibility very quickly by reporting something as if it was the whole story.  I call it spin when a true fact is used to give a false answer.  Of course they ( Annenberg Foundation - Factcheck) may have made an honest mistake.

I looked to see if I could find a way to notify them ( Factcheck ) that they were wrong in their answer.  Couldn’t find a way.

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By SarcastiCanuck, July 27, 2011 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment
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Hey,who voted these guys into power?Deep down,the majority fucked themselves and 2012 will show if they learned thier lesson.We the people,have to open thier eyes now….

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By GradyLeeHoward, July 27, 2011 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

Blaming longstanding and payroll deducted entitlements
for the deficits and the debt resembles the blaming of
Iraq for the 9/11 attacks. And… if one is a 9/11
Truther, dismantling such vital social supports is
almost like demolishing skyscrapers with masses of
people inside. Who are the terrorists who threaten our
freedom and prosperity? The Treason-Party, of course,
funded by Oligarchs.

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By Morpheus, July 27, 2011 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

Just a little common sense:

When an employee is incompetent (like our politicians) > “you fire them“
When something doesn’t work (like our government) > “you fix it”

Cheer up! The Revolution has started -
Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

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By wagelaborer, July 27, 2011 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment
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“Even Barack Obama has put cuts into play”?

Obama was put in to do what the Republicans have been
unable to do - roll back the New Deal.

He appointed a deficit commission stacked with neo-
cons before he even was inaugurated.

To cut the checks of millions of the elderly in
August? That is an outrageous threat!  If Bush had
made it, Scheer would have been up in arms.

Especially because Social Security, as he points out,
is funded separately, and is in the black.

No, this is a Nixon goes to China scenario, and
Americans should drop the Repub/Dem team spirit, and
realize that both parties are controlled by the
oligarchy.

Which side are you on, boys? 

It’s not right vs left.  It’s top vs bottom.

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By tops, July 27, 2011 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

In response to Moddem38-

I don’t understand how you come to the conclusion Sheer’s statement is false.

Scheer asks: Why, when the Social Security trust fund is fully funded for the next quarter-century and is owed money by the U.S. Treasury rather than the other way around.

You quote Factcheck.org as saying as a way of refuting Sheer’s statement.
“The fact is, the federal government had to borrow $37 billion last year to finance Social Security, and will need to borrow more this year.”

The fact is that both statements are true.

The government has been borrowing money from the SS trust fund for decades to pay for other areas in the government that are unfunded. This was possible because the SS fund has been taking in more revenue than it pays out in benefits for decades. This is one of the reasons why the federal government has to now borrow to pay out SS benefits, because the federal government has been raiding the SS trust fund and the money that should be there to pay out benefits has been spent on tax cuts, unfunded wars etc.

At this point when the government borrows money to pay SS benefits it is simply paying back the SS trust fund for money it borrowed from the fund. Remember SS security was set up as a separate payroll tax and fund to avoid this sort of “Raiding the Piggy Bank” that has occurred.

To characterize SS as insolvent is disingenuous at best. It has actually been one of the only government programs that historically has run a consistent surplus. The only way the SS account is running red ink and is insolvent, at this point in time, is if the government does not pay back the SS trust fund the money it owes it. The SS security is fully funded for the next 25 years if government honors its debt to the SS trust fund.

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By John R., July 27, 2011 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

@prisnersdelima

100% agreed

In Americas’ situation it is PROFIT MOTIVE not IDEOLOGY. This is the twist this time around.

Corporations are calling the shots here.

We only need to look back into history and view “how” they manipulate people into FEAR and then, get them under control.

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.

2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.

3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.

4. Set up an internal surveillance system.

5. Harass citizens’ groups.

6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.

7. Target key individuals.

8. Control the press.

9. Treat all political dissidents as traitors.

10. Suspend the rule of law.

For an in-depth look at each of these 10 steps and how they are being violated in America -

check this link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment

Look for the violations of these 10 steps. Be on guard, when you hear or read an individual that agrees with they’re government that is violating any of these steps.

Remember that ‘WE’ living in a democracy who’s soldiers are killing in another country ARE responsible = So, make your voice heard, speak out against wars, tell your friends, innocents are dying there, and that concerns me. Convince them that, that child in that foreign country, could have been yours.

When you (do not) speak out against these actions against humanity, you become a part of that regime.

Keep empathy, and peace, in your heart and head.

A country, will be remembered for how it treated its poor. Social security has been removed from your paycheck for years in order to help those that are of elderly age. Cutting Social Security is another step leading to a bully government which paves the way for more bullying.

Stop the war machine. Bring the troops home. Retool America, buy American goods. Create jobs in America through the demand of American products. (And I do not mean war weapons)

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By Bat Guano, July 27, 2011 at 11:37 am Link to this comment
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Thank you Hulk2008

You’ve perfectly described the Tea Party cult: “amateur Kamikaze Tea Pilots”.

I can visualize them flying around the Capitol just waiting for the word from their Emperor Koch brothers to dive in and finish off the country in the name of flea market crapitalism.

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By Hulk2008, July 27, 2011 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

Actually, Repugs have wanted to ditch Medicare and Soc Sec from their first inceptions - but they were much more subtle in the old days - they didn’t have so many amateur Kamikaze Tea Pilots who are willing to ignore logic, good sense, and their own re-election chances to dive in and kill their hated enemy programs.  Boehner may throw up his hands and seem to say “What else can I do?” but older Repugs have been waiting for this chance for decades.
  Points of clarification for smitty8:
a.  Clinton was President during NAFTA and obliteration of Glass-Stiegel for sure; but Phil Graham (R-Tex) was the pilot, copilot, and ground crew for massive deregulations in banking and lending back then.  Phil was very clever in dismantling most restrictions of that era and then some.
b. Having been working on HMO software even before Clinton was Gov of Arkansas, I can assure you HMOs were already well under way.  The HMO concept caught on like wildfire with company-paid insurance because it saved employers a bundle and seemed “logical” even to employees on the surface.  But the basic fee-for-service model was still there and still is today.  What is needed is true measurement of outcomes and pay for success (cures) rather than individual procedures. Check out the way Mayo Clinic performs - all the right tools and people and systems and testing and treatments all wired together and constantly tuned for improvements.

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By BobZ, July 27, 2011 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

One of the reasons I tune out when Republican leaders talk is they literally haven’t
said much new since the days of FDR when he sprang the New Deal on them. They
have been fighting against FDR’s far reaching programs since then. Republican’s of
course have become much more sophisticated in their messaging and more
importantly with their culture war issues have enlisted the support of lower middle
class voters who ordinarily would not have been caught dead voting for a
Republican. Obama has come in for a lot of justified criticism but in the final
analysis, I would take him in a heartbeat over any Republican especially the Tea
Party variety. They are truly looney-tunes. Boehner can’t even control them. At
heart, as Joseph Stiglitz commented, the Republican party is of the 1%, by the 1%,
and for the 1%.

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By Cliff Carson, July 27, 2011 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

Yes sharonsj

Under Bush the Annual Debt did double and also the unfunded Liabilities Quadrupled.  The day Bush came into office the Annual Debt was about $5.6 Trillion and the Unfunded Liabilities about $20 Trillion.

But what a lot of people don’t realize is that when Obama took office the Jobs were being lost at the rate of 500,000 per month and had been for several months.  So by the time Obama took office the Economy was in freefall ( unemployed people don’t pay taxes thus a drop in revenue) .  That should be contrasted with the fact that for the last several months not only has the loss of jobs stopped but jobs have been gained. But it wasn’t because the Rich and powerful, the Corporations who received hundreds of Billions in bailouts tried to help, they didn’t.  They sat on their new found money and when they did invest it was in China, India, etc.

The Corporations know who they get their goodies from - the Republicans, and since they wanted the GOP in, they just waited for the common man to panic, thinking that would get them back in power.  And it might.

Someone asked how could Social Security and Medicare recipients vote Republican?  My question is also how could anyone out of a job vote Republican?  Or any good American for that matter.

And we should also remember that from the day Obama stepped into office, the Republicans have done everything they possibly could to block any progress he could achieve toward getting the Economy back on track.

And yet I still think he should be impeached.  Why?  Because he could have restored several Constitutional rights that we lost under Bush simply by signing an executive order.  But he didn’t do that simple thing.  He has joined the Republicans in their depravity.

What it boils down to is that the common people of America have absolutely no representation in our Government.

SS and Medicare have had nothing to do with the debt nor the deficit.  But instead of taxing Corporations and the top 2% to get control of the debt and revenue, The Republicans have decided to starve the elderly and let them die so that the Rich and powerful can keep getting their Millions in subsidies.  And Obama seems to have joined them.

That in a nutshell is what this madness over the debt ceiling is all about.

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By rplantz, July 27, 2011 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

We need a strong President. For example, in the words of FDR in 1936, “For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred.

I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.”

The large corporations own us, through our government. We need to redefine corporations as property, not persons.

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By moddem38, July 27, 2011 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

Scheer asks: Why, when the Social Security trust fund is fully funded for the next quarter-century and is owed money by the U.S. Treasury rather than the other way around.

This statement is false. According to Factcheck.org:

The fact is, the federal government had to borrow $37 billion last year to finance Social Security, and will need to borrow more this year. The red ink is projected to total well over half a trillion dollars in the coming decade.
Link: http://www.factcheck.org/2011/02/
democrats-deny-social-securitys-red-ink/

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By Chris Herz, July 27, 2011 at 9:50 am Link to this comment
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It is unjust to tar the Republicans with being the sole authors of these disastrous economic policies which really are and have been entirely bi-partisan.
The truth is that both major parties are utterly co-opted by big money.

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By Leefeller, July 27, 2011 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

Listening to Obama embrace Ronald Reagan, does seem to support the view of the right leaning left! Unfortunately we are stuck with it, unless the Democrats do something about it, which is not likely.

On the other hand, maybe Obama is leading the Republicans along with a carrot on a stick and will pull out the bully pulpit when the time is just right.

I can hope for change can’t I?... My fantasizing delusions are all that are left, for I believe we have been sold down the river, this will be our hope and change!

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By lasmog, July 27, 2011 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

It amazes me that millions of Republicans who receive social security checks and medicare benefits believe that they will be better off if we eliminate these programs. The ability of our elites to make people vote against their own best interests never ceases to bewilder me.

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By seedmother, July 27, 2011 at 8:45 am Link to this comment
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“That’s the same 2 percent whose tax cuts the Republicans are determined to
preserve.”

Duh, who pays their baksheesh? It’s all by design.

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By GoyToy, July 27, 2011 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

Folks, the signs were very clear early on when Obama famously cited Ronald Reagan as a “transformational” president. That should be pretty easy to under and it’s why we’re even having this “debate” about deficit reduction.

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By smitty8, July 27, 2011 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

Another good Robert Scheer post
although it is misleading in one
way. When Scheer said, “Not a
word from Boehner or the other
Republicans about the banking
collapse that resulted from
their deregulatory policies, the
real cause of the inflated
debt.” he erred insofar as it
was Clinton who was responsible
for eliminating the Glass-
Steagall protection, passing
NAFTA, and starting us on the
road to the HMO-lead runaway
health care costs we face today,
with the current Obamanation
leading us deeper into more of
the same, or worse!

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By sharonsj, July 27, 2011 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

Cliff Carson, C-Span also showed the newspaper statistics regarding debt limits and debt numbers.  I saw that the debt DOUBLED under Bush.  I don’t remember Republicans howling over that.

Every economist I read says that Social Security has nothing to do with the debt.  The debt is money we’ve spent and have to repay with interest.  The deficit is what we have now because of spending more than we take in.  I am still mad that Obama agreed to extend the Bush tax cuts, particularly for the rich.  I am mad over a lot of things he did and didn’t do.  But I’m madder at the spineless Dems and the absolutely loony Repubs.

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By MarthaA, July 27, 2011 at 7:37 am Link to this comment

President Obama can do what has to be done for the country
without the obstinate Republicans, if he chooses to do so, if he will
levy taxes on the millionaires and billionaires and not continue to
destroy what little infrastructure the 70% Majority Common
Population, the American Populace, have.  It was NOT the
infrastructure of the Common Population that has brought down
the U.S. Economy, it has been the deliberate squandering of the
nation’s wealth on wars and bank scheme corruption by the
extremely wealthy that has put our nation into a fragile condition
and it will have to be the millionaires and billionaires that retrieve
our nation, NOT the American Populace that were not in any way
the cause.  The Republicans are holding the fort, they think the
President has to go along with them, but he does not.  President
Obama must be the President of ALL of the American people, not
just the Republicans and the Blue Dog Democrats.  Mr. President listen to
Alan Grayson, he tells it like it is, do not continue
to keep getting caught up in that Republican and
Blue Dog conservatism sophism, manipulative
dialectic and propaganda:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/
alan_grayson_tells_it_like_it_is_20110721/

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By DigThis, July 27, 2011 at 7:27 am Link to this comment

Hello!

Somebody tell Scheer that his article was linked over at Huffpost this morning and it was creating a torrent of negative posts about Obama, many from former Obama supporters. 

So HuffPost locked it out and dumped a bunch of the comments.  I was there.

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By jaipurr, July 27, 2011 at 7:22 am Link to this comment
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From across the other side of the pond, may I say how desperately sad it is, to see your country imploding. The USA has such an enormous potential for good, yet we now see moves to take away all of the structures that make a country great. No country or continent can claim greatness if it is prepared to sacrifice its elderly, its poor and its sick, in the name of economic balance.
We are experiencing a similar situation in the UK, with the government preparing to privatise all its support structures, including The National Health Service! There must be a better system than Capitalism, a philosophy that abandons people in their time of greatest need.
The Green Party may offer an alternative, but I am not yet convinced.

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By TDoff, July 27, 2011 at 6:55 am Link to this comment

Could it be that Cheney, Rove, and the NeoCon Cabal that controlled The Dummy were a Machievellian cult that plotted a course to today’s disasters commencing January 20, 2001?

All the actions and inactions they took seem to support that thesis.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 27, 2011 at 6:48 am Link to this comment

Actually, it began in 2004, after Bush was re-elected and did what he always does: When he sees a bolus of money, public money, he tries to put it into private hands of the super-rich.
He did it as Governor with the UofTx endowment fund, depleting over 60% of it.
He did it with the budget surplus in 2001.
He did it with the Medicare fiasco, even lying to his own Republican Congress.
He later did it with the bank/Wall Street bailout.

In 2004, Bush TRIED to do it with Social Security, to “privatize” it with phony cooked rosy projections for economic growth. It died. Had it not, SocSec would have been destroyed in the collapse of 2007/2008.  And that bolus of money didn’t make it into Bush’s friends’ hands.

As soon as Obama was elected the Kochs started funding the TeaParty and one of THEIR goals is to either end Social Security or….privatize it with exactly the same people who destroyed our economy.

nothing new under the sun

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By Cliff Carson, July 27, 2011 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

I agree with you Ardee

You may recall that this all began with the Republicans declaring they wanted to sack Social Security and Medicare.  Obama without stuttering said he would not sign any bill that touched either.

Just a few minutes ago Congressman Graves from Georgia, a Republican, was speaking on C-Span about how that no good Obama was trying to destroy Social Security and Medicare.  Has the worm ever turned.  And in such short time.


Two things to remember:  (1).  Scheer is absolutely correct that SS is solvent and that the Government has stolen away with Trillions from the SS fund.  I have seen an admittance of swiping $2.5 Trillion but my calculations put it closer to $6.0 Trillion.  Medicare also has had more revenues collected than it has paid out.
(2) The Republicans have been after the destruction of Social Security and Medicare since forever.  Seems that it was Reagan who I first remember wanting to Privatize Social Security.

The Republican Party decided to help Obama fail not when Limbaugh first brought it up, no the “Let’s organize to Fail him” was cooked up by the Koch Brothers-No pun intended, when they saw the inevitable election of Obama prior to the 2008 election.  That’s when they engineered the formation of that so called grassroots Party called TEA.

I have incessantly called for the demise of that criminal Party since Daddy Bush ginned up the Kuwait fiasco.  If you want to see some real skulduggery get involved with researching the 2 year run up to that war.

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By HC, July 27, 2011 at 6:06 am Link to this comment
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People, people, why is everyone getting into such a tizzy? Time to pause and get a grip now. After all, “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,” Dick Cheney once said, and we all know how prescient and trustworthy he was.

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By Litl Bludot, July 27, 2011 at 5:42 am Link to this comment

Scheer never seems to get it.  Obama’s the key Republican mole in killing social
security.  His fake “compromise” strategy has always been to go farthest toward
the corporate fascist right as politically possible.  This makes it appear that his
position is a reasonable position given the extreme with which he is
“compromising”.  Obama is a power pimp.  He is completely amoral.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 27, 2011 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

So….what’s he saying? We all know Democrats lie.  And we all know Republicans lie even more blatantly in the face of OBVIOUS contrary evidence.

Who are going to believe? Me, or your own lying eyes?

The ONLY time I’ve heard a Republican tell the truth in this debt mess is when Orren Hatch said “The poor have to sacrifice”.  The truth in that statement is NOT that the poor have to sacrifice, but that their sacrifice is the GOAL of Hatch and his fellows.  It was a rare moment of honesty for Hatch, who has always been a lying scumbag.

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By Olla, July 27, 2011 at 5:26 am Link to this comment
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thanks to thecrow for the link to George Carlin’s words. He was right to the sharp point on what has
been happening in this country. Lowering corporate
tax rates will not insure that more American jobs
won’t be outsourced or that the corporations won’t
bring in lower paid foreign workers to replace American workers. In the last 10 years we fought 2 wars in which the wealthy did not sacrifice their blood or their money-in fact their taxes were reduced.  that was the ultimate insult to the rest of us.

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By prisnersdilema, July 27, 2011 at 5:20 am Link to this comment

The republican party has become the Nazi party, all that’s missing is swastika arm
bands. They are preparing a new holocaust, one for Americas aged, and poor. This
what happens when you have a weak Weimar like president, who only knows how to
appease, instead of fight. Their madness will, not stop until it’s consumed this country in
a civil war.  They will not go away, without a fight. The debt fight is only the beginning for
them, once they taste victory, their grandiosity and megalomaniac drive for power and
control will destroy us all.

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By Frosty46, July 27, 2011 at 4:49 am Link to this comment

Just as John Ashcroft settled the 60’s grudges with an all out assault costing billions we now see the Republicans getting even
with Liberals for social programs with the very real threat of
destroying the world as we know it!

There is a cure for this but I doubt the nation has the resolve to
commit to it.

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By thecrow, July 27, 2011 at 4:35 am Link to this comment

George Carlin told you this years ago, and more colorfully.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, July 27, 2011 at 3:40 am Link to this comment
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Economist Michael Hudson says that people who want to save social security should vote for a republican for president and democrats for congress.  This will galvanize the democrats into opposing any changes in social security and medicare which they always do when a republican president proposes such changes.  Today democrats in congress are going along with Obama’s plans to cut entitlements, something they never did when Bush tried to cut those programs.  Supporting Romney for president would seem to be the best thing we can do if we want to save what is left of entitlements. 

Hudson was on democracynow last week and writes frequently at counterpunch.org.  He also has a website michael-hudson.com

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By Rodney, July 27, 2011 at 3:38 am Link to this comment
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This all goes back to when Rush Limbaugh stated I hope he fails referring to President Obama. The rest of the Republicans followed the pied piper. It also reveals the racist far right agenda that any type of social programs benefits minorities and they have come to destroy them, even if it means destroying the rest of America. In their minds they are still fighting the civil war. This is their chance to win it 150 years later. Its part of their taking their country back agenda. Back to 1860. America are getting exactly what they deserve. George Bush didn’t fuck it up enough. They bought the racist retoric of he is not one of us and wasn’t born here. Just like the Roman empire it’s all gonna crash. In the next twenty years their may not be an America. At least the America envisioned by the Constitution. But maybe the real America that we actually had in 1776. Slavery, gun toting cowboys and every man for himself. No minority rights no women’s rights no voting rights no health care no medicare no social security. Abortion a thing of the past. The only rights will be states rights. People believe this can’t happen. But it is happening right before our eyes. The collapse of the financial is the way to start the process. Then fear and hatred will consume us all. They have come to take their country back. We will be their before 2050 or as the Tea baggers will say 1776 all over again.

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By Robespierre115, July 27, 2011 at 3:19 am Link to this comment

“What is at stake is a radical Republican agenda to totally reverse the progress in economic justice that began with the great reforms of Franklin Roosevelt and his New Deal.”

The problem is it is also an Obama agenda. If he was serious about saving Social Security he would fight tooth and nail for it, instead of proposing cuts himself.

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By ardee, July 27, 2011 at 2:54 am Link to this comment

In my opinion this is a puzzling position by Mr. Scheer. While I see little hyperbole in his reportage of the flaws and foibles of the GOP regarding the debt ceiling and their recalcitrance regarding the normal give and take of politics and compromise, I find little of substance here.

To pin this entire brouhaha on a secret wish to kill Social Security seems more than a bit of a stretch, at least to me. The GOP is trapped by its own use of extremists as activists to get Shrubya elected and now cannot achieve unanimity except in extremist positions. But what then is the matter with the Democrats?

Time and again I hear or read ridiculous positions by GOP leadership, patent falsehoods, tiresome and untruthful mantras easily, it might seem, refutable nonsense. Yet , with the White House as bully pulpit, neither the president nor his legislative leaders speaks plainly to the people about said lies. Always compromising, always being spurned in said efforts, the line always moving rightward with each concession. One must perforce wonder at the passivity of the Democrats, or begin to accept an agenda that remains unspoken to date.

Republicans are certainly the party of no but, to date the Democrats are seemingly the party of no clue.

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