Marshall~~~~ there are some informed, intelligent and witty people on this
site…..it’s not all ardee and the like and even ardee shows a decent intelligence
every now and then.

By heterochromatic, December 18 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

I won’t venture an opinion on war with Spain, but I’ll agree that the Iraq invasion
did more harm than good and we may well see the unraveling of whatever fragile
order had been brought to the country of late.

There’s precious little examination in these forums - mostly predictable responses
from a repeat cast to often more reasoned articles, which is why I attend… and to
correct misstatements, partial truths, present alternate points of view, and
sometimes learn something.

AHH as Heterowhatever and the always pompously arrogant Marshal converse with each other perhaps we can ignore them both and leave them to their love fest.

Marshall, thanks and i do realize that I’m swimming against a tide of emotion.

However, I happen to agree with the idea that our invasion of Iraq pretty much
was an act of aggression and that the war with Spain was waged for little aside
from a desire to strip Spain of her colonies and to colonize them ourselves.

I would also venture to say that with the Dulles brothers’ assumption of office in
the Eisenhower administration, we engaged in aggressive behavior all across the
globe mostly with a thought to countering the aggression of the Communists, but
often overdone and beyond any warrant.

I appreciate your support and hope that you might be willing to join here in the
effort to prevent folks from taking a partial truth and refusing to allow any real
examination of a recognition that it’s but partial and that there’s a larger and
more complex reality

By heterochromatic, December 3 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment

You needn’t even waste your time asking for evidence of the “continue wars of
aggression” since the people who make these kinds of statements are informed by
emotion, not evidence.  These boards are havens for all manner of socialist and
anarchist malcontents, U.S. haters, and subscribers to a world view in which we’re
the nexus of evil on an otherwise warm and fuzzy peaceful planet where everyone
would be getting along swimmingly if not for our hateful influence.  So your
appeal to rationality will be met with more ridiculous emotion-based claims and
ad-hominem.  You can count on it.

plenum~~~~ the military budget won’t be expanding

...and the recent placement of troops is naught but OUR excuse to expand further our already absurd military budget, escalating the faux-enemy stance into greater armaments, and if it all leads to war in a few decades? “So what?” think the mil-industrial complex…more profit!
What an incompetent, irrational, inhumane and brutal leadership has the USA.

Henri—-perhaps you could supply the definition of “war of aggression” and then
show the evidence that establishes that the US has waged such wars almost
continuously…....

I would find it interesting to see how you might attempt to back up that claim….....

heter
*So, I’m guessing that you wanted to know if I buy into the whole “responsibility to
protect” idea.

I don’t.*

yet in the same breath ..................

heter
*The operation to remove Gaddafi was widely supported but it was based on considerations of power and practicality as will be the removal of Assad.

That the regimes are astoundingly awful makes it easy to approve the operation and makes such operation hard to disapprove on ethical considerations,  and lousy aftereffects but it’s hard to see that any positive good results from
leaving Assad to continue killing the citizens of Syria who want some measure of
freedom. *

i’m not even going to talk about the lies, more lies n god damned lies fukus used to wage wars against defenceless nations since kosovo, in fact u could’ve traced it back to the sinking of maine
i dont think u’re that innocent ?

if u want to talk about *ethical considerations*, there’s an elephant in the room , the worst abuser of *hr* in the world.
unlike the many unsubstantiated allegations against gadaffi n assad, its crimes are well documented, its probably killing more civilians at this very moment
who’s gonna r2p this scourge of our planet ?
tinyurl.com/bpl5k9l
i rest my case.

«I’m aware, of course, of the shameful human rights violations that the Chinese government commits every day—and of the government’s selfish, corrupt insistence on maintaining a monopoly of power. These atrocities can never be forgotten.» Yes, indeed, Mr Robinson, but your remarks lose a great deal their pungency when they are not accompanied by a similar unblinking analysis of the actions of government of your own country. One thing the Chinese government has going for it is that it’s been more than thirty years since it engaged in a military adventure abroad, one which it moreover had the good sense to end in less than a month. Contrast that with the US government’s more or less continual wars of aggression («the supreme international crime» as noted in the judgement by the Nürnberg Tribunal) abroad, and then come back and tell us just who it is that is violating «human rights»....

Henri

ok, good night.

heter
i’ll be off the loop
hope to be back barring unforseen cirscumtances
meanwhile may be u should read the other links
especially those about the cia backed rebels
n the honorable mdm sec clinton’s depraved performance
*i come, i see, he dies*

got it, dank, thanks.
I’ve read Pepe Escobar’s work on some dozen previous occasions and find it very
uneven. he takes some good points and never can resist mixing in some real
dodgy guesses.

~~~~
“This is yet another solid answer to the question of why France has been so
frantic to topple Gaddafi; French water companies are the world’s largest, and the
lure of privatizing a 1,000-year supply of fresh water is turning their executives,
well, bubbly. “

~~~~~~

this one here, from your link, s awfully off-the-wall.

So, I’m guessing that you wanted to know if I buy into the whole “responsibility to
protect” idea.

I don’t. Concepts in international law leave me cold, for the most part, because
there is no codification backed by any enforcement that is anywhere near to
even-handed.

The operation to remove Gaddafi was widely supported but it was based on
considerations of power and practicality as will be the removal of Assad.

That the regimes are astoundingly awful makes it easy to approve the operation
and makes such operation hard to disapprove on ethical considerations, but there
not based on valid legal considerations.

The war in Iraq was the worst, and the coming ones will have some unexpected
and lousy aftereffects but it’s hard to see that any positive good results from
leaving Assad to continue killing the citizens of Syria who want some measure of
freedom.

heter
copy n past this
tinyurl.com/6h5kxvc
into the address bar on top of ur browser

and I KNOW that BBC is slanted, but there’s nothing on TV news that I find covers
as much and ISN’T slanted…..

my idea is to recognize how stories are pitched and look at them always from
more than one source and one POV…...

the usual alternative sources aren’t any less slanted than mainstream and are
usually less careful in their reportage.

denk, none of the links work and pasting them only leads back to this page.

give me some text that I can use to get to what you wish me to see. I’ll follow if I
can.

heter
bbc is poison
tinyurl.com/79rfb29
tinyurl.com/7o5v85x
tinyurl.com/2ceephz

did u read any of the links i posted , the r2p scam ?
tinyurl.com/6h5kxvc
i’ve posted this link twice already ?

denk…. I read almost no US newspapers….except for the sports pages…...

I do not watch tv news shows often, outside of the BBC because I think that they
pretty much all suck. I do sometimes watch Rachel Maddow, but that’s only we
she has my son on the show.

I would watch Al Jazeera TV if it was available here.

I do read, quite regularly ,  Pakistani Dawn ,  Hurriyet , Haaaretz, People’s Daily
Online, Al Jazeera and Lebanon’s Daily Star.

I happen to think that Gaddafi took power in a military coup 40 odd years ago
and that since then he had been running Libya as if he owned it…,. not an
election and not an official that he didn’t approve in the entire country….. and I’m
quite happy that he’s gone.

I do not expect that there are thousands of freedom-loving liberals running
around in Libya, and don’t see that as something that anyone could expect given
that there’s been little freedom in the country for a long, long time.

That’s a common problem in the Middle east and one that the US has avoided
addressing through continued support for the authoritarian governments of the
Arab League states.  The support has to end and the governments must change.

heter

ok i might be wrong about u
but u should read more alternate media instead of swallowing the msm bs hook line n sinker
for example, the libyan rebels do not represent the libyan people at large
those are cia backed armed gangs
many are murderous cutthroats who kill, rape n pillage the defencless libyans n foreigners
tinyurl.com/7bbar77
tinyurl.com/3s7vpn6
tinyurl.com/83mtbbs
in fact , many are from the outfit *al qaeda*, sounds familiar ?
the same *terrarists* that are supposed to be the target of the whole wot scam, go figure.
tinyurl.com/3lw2m7c

denk~~~ you’ve a very distorted idea of my beliefs….I’m very much not a “my
country right or wrong” type of guy…....just someone who thinks that all
aggregations as large as nation-states are hugely flawed and that the flaws of this
one are smaller than average for nations of 300,000,000 +

still am sincere in asking about your r2p stuff and would still like an explanation
of your question.

norry,
*Denk,why such arrogance in giving a reply to Heter?
Are you an important person Denk? The answer without the self indulgence next time thanks.*

i’m just a nobody
its just that i cant suffer *my counry right or wrong* redneck
heter’s posts in other threads n his initial rants gave me the impression that he is a neocon
ok, i might be wrong

n i thought he was pulling my leg when he asked me about this *r2p bs*
coz i showed him what i mean in my very first answer
viz, tinyurl.com/6h5kxvc

*We are now, in Australia, to have an american army base because of this engineered BS! I can assure you that not all Australians are happy about this!!*

i wouldnt be surprised if some in china are being pissed off coz from where they look,
+Canberra has yet to see an anti-China trade and military alliance in Asia that it did not like. +
tinyurl.com/6psskpc

the use of slave labour is an ancient custom and was bequeathed to America by
the British and other Europeans

no foreign wars,
no military bases in foreign countries,
#2 world economy soon to be #1
government leaders are executed for screwing up.

Downside:
1-party political system
protests against the government are suppressed

Robinson is an American journalist.
The Chinese will let him see only what they want.

Denk,why such arrogance in giving a reply to Heter?
Are you an important person Denk? The answer without the self indulgence next time thanks.
We are now, in Australia, to have an american army base because of this engineered BS! I can assure you that not all Australians are happy about this!!
Our previous Prime Minister,Kevin Rudd speaks fluent chinese,we recognised the government of China and have been trading partners long before the ignorant americans put aside their fear and hate and did the same.
To all the fearmongers out their ,these people are traders and have been for centuries,people who trade together usually stay together.

got work to do
signing off

heter
*denk, I’m probably gonna be sorry for asking, but what is ” these r2p bs”?*

r u kidding ?
ok i’ll humor u

that’ll teach u to read my posts before answering
why dont u go back to my previous comments?

and what about this great *pla global rampage* bs
damn it ?

denk, I’m probably gonna be sorry for asking, but what is ” these r2p bs”?

i’ve seen r2p used as shorthand for responsibility to protect, but don’tquite
understand what you’re asking.

heter
*who owns the companies that sent these guys to
Libya? who was screwing the people and paying Gaddafi
$20billion/year for what they were taking out of the
country.

turns out it’s the same guys who were bringing in
weapons to Gaddafi even after the UN arms embargo was
in place.

theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-
mideast/china-offered-gadhafi-huge-stockpiles-of-
arms-libyan-memos/article2152875/singlepage/#article

still hard to understand why the people attacked the
work sites? *

dude
1] thats just an unsubstantiated allegation

2] i’ve news for ya, the attacks on the chinese sites PRECEDED the *discovery* of chinese *offer*

and…i’m still waiting for ur evidence of pla roaming all over the world ?

i’ve the feeling u’re the fan of these r2p bs
are u ?

heter
*The Venezuelans ARE complaining….Their oil
production is down ~ 30% from when Chavez took over
control of the company and revenues are way below
what they should be because of the free oil for Cuba,
and the sweetheart deals with Iran and China.

The big money that allowed Chavez to actually help
the mass of poor people in Venezuela is not there now
and, combined with the rotten overall Venezuelan
economic performance, the benefits to the people are
mostly in the past.

The funny thing is that it was sales at full price to
the US that was bringing in the cash, but now
Venezuela hasn’t enough oil output to sell us much*

u make lots of claims without any source to back it up
in any case, like i say, may be the venezuelans would rather deal with friends rather than some thugs who pay *good price* ?
the venezuelans better watch their back tho, their country may be the next target to be r2p

tinyurl.com/49d326

tinyurl.com/3plot8f

denk—-who owns the companies that sent these guys to
Libya? who was screwing the people and paying Gaddafi
$20billion/year for what they were taking out of the
country.

turns out it’s the same guys who were bringing in
weapons to Gaddafi even after the UN arms embargo was
in place.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-
mideast/china-offered-gadhafi-huge-stockpiles-of-
arms-libyan-memos/article2152875/singlepage/#article

still hard to understand why the people attacked the
work sites?

Gregorio Kelly
* Is the Chinese military in Africa,
South America, the Middle East? Monolithic state capitalism? ~~~~*

heterochromatic
*yes, yes, yes, and yes.

read a few things about the PLA, how it’s funded and what businesses it’s in…. and how those businesses are in developing nations.
you may join the jaundiced.

just for openers…when the foreigners were evacuated from Libya ...the greatest number of them were Chinese*

so those hapless chinese engineers n workers are counted as *military* too ?

so libya is *just for opener* ?
now tell us where else do u find pla goons rampaging in a r2p killing spree ?
http://tinyurl.com/3nugo5a

The Venezuelans ARE complaining….Their oil
production is down ~ 30% from when Chavez took over
control of the company and revenues are way below
what they should be because of the free oil for Cuba,
and the sweetheart deals with Iran and China.

The big money that allowed Chavez to actually help
the mass of poor people in Venezuela is not there now
and, combined with the rotten overall Venezuelan
economic performance, the benefits to the people are
mostly in the past.

The funny thing is that it was sales at full price to
the US that was bringing in the cash, but now
Venezuela hasn’t enough oil output to sell us much.

heterochromatic
*As well, check out what the Chinese are paying for Venezuelan oil…it’s far below-market*

really ?
why’d u worry, i dont hear the venezuelans complaining ?
in any case, may be they figure its much more preferable to being r2p ?
tinyurl.com/6h5kxvc

denk ~~~ those large-scale economic losses that the
Chinese were moaning about were because the Chinese
were paying Gaddafi and screwing the Libyans doing the
work.

as soon as it looked like Gaddafi wasn’t going to be
able to protect the Chinese overseers, the Libyans
expressed their feelings toward their bosses and their
work-sites in direct fashion.

denk—-it’s the Chinese folks running the work and
the way they work the people who live there.
the Chinese are every bit as bad as the post-WWII
Imperialists as to how they run their projects in
Africa and elsewhere….

they bribe the government with massive kickbacks on
the roads and other infrastructure projects that the
Chinese announce their “gifts” to the peoples of the
various nations (and which generally service the
Chinese-run projects) and the works have no safety
provisions.

As well, check out what the Chinese are paying for
Venezuelan oil…it’s far below-market.

i thought one of the advantage of registration
is that ur post would appear *immediately* without going thru the moderator ?

Gregorio Kelly
* Is the Chinese military in Africa,
South America, the Middle East? Monolithic state capitalism? ~~~~*

heterochromatic
*yes, yes, yes, and yes.

read a few things about the PLA, how it’s funded and what businesses it’s in…. and how those businesses are in developing nations.
you may join the jaundiced.

just for openers…when the foreigners were evacuated from Libya ...the greatest number of them were Chinese*

what’re u smoking kid ?
so its a crime for the chinese to work on foreign proj ?
tinyurl.com/68rrhgc

Gregorio Kelly
* Is the Chinese military in Africa,
South America, the Middle East? Monolithic state capitalism? ~~~~*

heterochromatic
*yes, yes, yes, and yes.

read a few things about the PLA, how it’s funded and what businesses it’s in…. and how those businesses are in developing nations.
you may join the jaundiced.

just for openers…when the foreigners were evacuated from Libya ...the greatest number of them were Chinese*

what’re u smoking kid ?
so its a crime for the chinese to work on foreign proj ?
http://tinyurl.com/68rrhgc

heterochromatic, your answer appears witty, and i
thank you for it.
but, still, i’d like to hear that also from any communist
[and there are more than one kind] or, better yet,
from present chinese govt.
and chinese govt—for your ‘prediction’ [common, we
know you’re wishing it be true—wld have to say: it is
beneath us to tell you what we think.
as for bush and palin and their answers, i, too, believe
that they wld give me a blank stare, if i posed to them
such a question.

they ‘know’; that it is given that u.s system is infallible
and holy; so, what say after that? tnx

“The irony is that in China, people are not allowed to be citizens….here in the U.S. Americans simply forgot how to be citizens….”

mrfreeze—I wouldn’t be too quick to blame your fellow citizens. Try insisting in an airport that you should have some part in the decision-making because it affects you and see how fast you will be forcibly put down. You aren’t even allowed to joke about it.

Outside the airports isn’t much different. US citizens have no part in the decision-making that affects them. I see people not insisting on anything at all, just not obeying the orders from the “public servants” being beaten, pepper sprayed and arrested. The idea that Americans possess some hidden freedoms they aren’t employing is overstating the situation.

Certainly we have some residual freedoms from the past that have yet to be removed that China doesn’t, but as Robinson highlights, in practice it’s not all that much different, which is fine with him because he can eat at Subway, buy Calvin Klein, and drink coffee from Starbucks in either country.

Thomas - My mantra these days is that Americans have finally made the deevolutionary journey from being “citizens” to “consumers.” As you point out, Americans are great at shopping (especially when they’re told to al la the holiday season, etc.), accumulating junk and sipping Starbucks coffee. Unfortunately, purchasing things requires little to no effort. Being a “citizen,” however; requires effort, thought and occassionally “sticking-it-to-the-man.” The irony is that in China, people are not allowed to be citizens….here in the U.S. Americans simply forgot how to be citizens….

“Indeed, are you referring to China or the U.S.? I couldn’t tell…... “

mrfreeze, yeah that’s not all that clear. I was referring to a political system where people are free to shop, buy what they want, relax in cafe’s, but are under surveillance at every moment and have no civil rights or freedoms. They are consumers, not citizens with rights and duties. The police and politicians are not public servants. They are the managers of the population who keep it in line for their bosses.

Both the US and China are far along this path. It’s an imitation of freedom. A kind of corporate-invented freedom concocted in marketing departments. You can see and feel most clearly it at the airports. It is an absolute authoritarian system. You have no rights, but you can buy a cappuccino at Starbucks. This guy Robinson seems to think that’s real important.

I heard this excellent program on BBC radio yesterday. It’s part II of a three-part series about the BRIC economies (Brazil, Russia,India and China). I encourage you all to listen to what Michael Pettis, Professor of Finance at Peking University has to say about China’s economic position in the world:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/bizdaily/bizdaily_20111129-0832c.mp3

The page is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/bizdaily

Thomas Dooley - You wrote:

“The template for an authoritarian police state with a highly controlled population is not Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four.” It’s the airports where everybody is under surveillance at all times, are herded into lines for humiliating searches, and where seemingly on a whim officers appear from secret rooms to force a traveler to come with them while the rest of the herd looks on in bewilderment and fear.”

Indeed, are you referring to China or the U.S.? I couldn’t tell…...

balkas~~~~but just to confirm it, i just might write to palin,
bachmann, bush to give me an explanation why
they think they don’t owe us an explanation!

do you think they’d answer or explain anything??? ~~~~

i don’t think it a fair comparison. The Chinese would disdain to explain, palin,
backmann and bush would be unable.

or Korea
or Viet-nam and the rest of Indo-China.

“There were several tribute states to the Chinese-established empires throughout
ancient history, including neighboring countries such as Japan, Korea, Vietnam,
Cambodia, Borneo, Indonesia, South Asia and Central Asia.”

——Lockard, Craig A. (2007). Societies, Networks, and Transitions: A Global
History: To 1500. Cengage Learning. p. 315. ISBN 0618386122.

Gregorio Kelly - “China has never been an imperialist power…..” ?????

One word: Tibet…..

heterochromatic,
it’s an interesting conclusion that chinese
communists do not owe anybody an explanation
about what they think.
but let’s hear from them that they do not owe us an
explanation of what communists in china think,
want, etc.

i think, nevertheless, and in spite of your
‘testimonial’, that a chinese ?communist wld love to
tell us what chinese ?communists want to achieve
and what they think.

it wld be also nice of you, heterochromatic, to warn
a reader that you are positing a conclusion when u
posit what you have posited.
and i do not conclude—-i know you have posited a
conclusion or even wishful thinking when you said
that chinese ?communists think they do not owe us
an explanation.

and i do not conclude that personal supremacists
don’t think they owe us an explanation—-i know
that they never will!

but just to confirm it, i just might write to palin,
bachmann, bush to give me an explanation why
they think they don’t owe us an explanation!

do you think they’d answer or explain anything???
tnx

a trillion is a million times more chunky than a million…....

I agree with you that it’s become absurdly common and misleading to say that
China owns our debt…but it is correct to say that they have enough of a chunk of
it that their end has significance.

It is a pretty fair-sized chunk of change. One million dollars is also a fair-sized chunk of change, but it’s also not politically significant. The story that China owns our national debt is useful. It isn’t true, just useful.

Thomas—-8% of our public debt is a pretty fair-sized chunk of change.

“our indebtedness to China”

It’s always interesting how politically useful stories get passed along. Supposedly the US has a deficit problem and China owns most of the debt.

As of May 2011 China owned 8% of total US public debt.

Over 50% of the US public debt is owned by the Federal Reserve and other intergovernmental holdings such as the Social Security Administration. State and local governments, US Saving bonds, and private and state and local government pension funds account for significant amounts.

Is there a deficit problem and is the US indebted to China? The short answer—- no. No there isn’t, but the story is political useful.

There’s no doubt that about the “unrealistic, dishonest or just plain dumb
rhetoric” going on in this country about China coming from political candidates
in both parties, the government, and much of the public as well. 

Let’s try something different for once and abandon the addiction to always
having foreign countries to bash for one reason or another. We need to focus
on the real issues: the abandonment of our own manufacturing industry by US
businessmen and our indebtedness to China. Let’s not forget that the abysmal
economic inequality we’re experiencing is a form of repression in our own
country. Those are some of _our_ issues, and we cannot say we have dealt with
them, can we?

Let the Chinese themselves bash China if they want. We have far too many
countries and leaders we’re currently bashing. How many more soldiers’ lives
we want to put at risk and how many more trips can the Clinton woman make in
a month?

Apparently this guy knows his own country less well than he does China.

“I’m aware, of course, of the shameful human rights violations that the Chinese government commits every day”

But not those by his own country?

Hey Gregorio~~~~ Is the Chinese military in Africa,
South America, the Middle East? Monolithic state capitalism? ~~~~

yes, yes, yes, and yes.

read a few things about the PLA, how it’s funded and what businesses it’s in…. and
how those businesses are in developing nations.
you may join the jaundiced.

just for openers…when the foreigners were evacuated from Libya ...the greatest
number of them were Chinese.

balkas~~~~it wld be nice if truthdig wld let a chinese explain what the ruling ?
communist party
thinks.~~~~~

prevailing Chinese government thought is that it doesn’t owe anybody any
explanations about what it really thinks…..

which is somewhat common to ruling parties in this world.

robinson’s: “china is governed in an authoritarian and brutal manner” does not
elucidate the situation in china.
after all, the u.s sybaritic class of life also rules many americans repressiveley and in
a corrupt manner, to boot.

just like the oppression in china, so is oppression in u.s founded on s’mthing—some
ideas, an ideology, teachings, etc.
and against whom is the oppression applied in u.s and china? against what
thought/thinkers and for whose benefit?

i think china punishes those people who think like perry, gingrich, bush, clinton, cia
agents, et al and u.s punishes/oppresses those people who do not think like the
above enumerated americans or american class [tho multigenational] numero uno.

and u.s prevailing thought is much more brutal or even bloodthirsty to some nations
than china’s prevailing thought.
now that robinson is in china he has a chance to find out what thought china
espouses right now.
it wld be nice if truthdig wld let a chinese explain what the ruling ?communist party
thinks.
of course, we can also have robinson’s enlightenment about it? how about it? tnx

Cheer on an authoritarian police state?

Wait, oh look! There’s a Starbucks! Tasty! Sparkly!

The template for an authoritarian police state with a highly controlled population is not Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four.” It’s the airports where everybody is under surveillance at all times, are herded into lines for humiliating searches, and where seemingly on a whim officers appear from secret rooms to force a traveler to come with them while the rest of the herd looks on in bewilderment and fear.

But, this guy, Eugene Robinson, probably loves it. He can buy coffee at a Starbucks or shop for some cute stuff, or just sit there and invent political opinions from the neon and all the sparkly lights.

Imitation freedom cheered on by an easily bamboozled faux journalist. Yup, Robinson is right. China and the US is becoming a lot alike.

Without missing a beat Mr. Robinson goes from riiculously partisan support for the Democratic Party to ridiculously inaccurate portrayals of the political and economic conditions in China.

I question the reasons for his articles appearing here at all.

Unless you’re now calling obama a republican, I think it’s a little disingenuous to blame them for a cautious china stance after Obama just pledged a new military base in Australia.

Obviously, policy thinkers on both sides see china as a competitor, even potential adversary in certain respects, and we’d be foolish to pretend it ain’t so.  But leave it to the left to hallucinate a world that’s all warm and fuzzy outside our borders and vilify those at home who see it for what it really is.

cheer them on but very carefully watch how the Chinese are exploiting the other
people of the world….big-time, monolithic state capitalism in Africa and
elsewhere.