Surfboy,

Did you happen to see and hear how NBC edited the 911 call Zimmerman made shortly before the confrontation with Martin?  Would this constitute race bating?  Poor journalistic integrity?  Blatant dishonesty?  Invidious racism?

Any opinion on this?

For the first time EVER on this site, heteronym was RIGHT about something.

Something trivial, of course.

Editors DO write the heads for stories, not the reporters or in the case of this poster, by-lined columnists.

Copy Editors

Copy editors typically gets reporters’ stories after they have been given an
initial edit by assignment editors. They edit stories and often also write
headlines and do layout

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( my understanding was minutes ago confirmed by phone call to actual
present-day reporter )

my point is the same one that I earlier made…. the reporting is not at fault….it’s
all the editorializing.

hetero, - “reporters don’t write the headlines. it’s the editors.”

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Well, we’ll have to simply disagree.  That’s not my understanding of the process.  What is your point?

IMax—- reporters don’t write the headlines. it’s the editors.

Mona, - “Can you remotely imagine being the parent of this poor murdered child?  Your child is assassinated walking home from buying candy - and these batards do NOTHING ABOUT IT.”

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The entire Martin/Zimmerman incident is a tragedy.  On that we can all agree.  However we simply don’t have enough of the facts to judge Zimmerman or Martin.

Can we simply allow the Fl. Atty. Gen. to do its investigation?

Surfboy,

I apologies.  What was your question?

Surfboy and Imax,

IMO, Hispanic identity is complex, like Jewish identity or any kind of multi-“racial” identity.  There are a lot of ways in which to look at things from.

Clearly, having “white” Hispanics can serve the interests of a narrative in which racists can claim they are not racist.

Clearly, Hispanics, whites, blacks - whatever - can be racist or have racist attitudes.

There are many people - African Americans included - who have absorbed messages from mainstream culture - that a young African American male is a potential criminal.  Jesse Jackson himself once talked about how he felt about this kind of automatic reflex feeling walking down the street - that a couple of young African American men - could potentially jump him or mug him.

As a parent of a teenager close to Trayvon’s age - who look white - I ask myself - how would I feel if he were walking home from the store one night after buying some sweets that he like (as they buy this junk at their age) - wearing his hoodie (everyone wears hoodies) - and some nut with a nut savagely executes him in a very professional manner - like a trained assanin in a matter of one, maybe two at the most, minutes? 

Then you go the police, and they don’t even arrest this nut.  They even give him back the gun that he shoots at point blank range in your child’s heart, while muffling the sound between his body and the earth—and as your child screams and screams and screams for help.

Then - this lunatic - tells the police and everyone on the entire planet that HE HIMSELF was the one screaming like that for help.

Then - they even bring in forensic voice analysts who determine through scientific means that the lunatic is lying.

And still - the police do not charge or arrest him.

Every police story I’ve heard - in which the police they tell us are the good guys - they arrest you if they find out you are lying to them.

It’s evidence of guilt!

Can you remotely imagine being the parent of this poor murdered child?  Your child is assassinated walking home from buying candy - and these batards do NOTHING ABOUT IT.

With this killer’s father a judge!  Down south no less - and in Florida - where they let all these facists from Cuba come into the country?  (Not all from Cuba being fascists - but there were PLENTY, I am sure.  Though this is a detour from the main stuff, and I don’t even know if Zimmerman is from that background, or if it’s even relevant.)

The whole thing is SICK.

agelbert,

I would add to your list - that they are also warehousing all these young men - for WARS.  I remember, during Vietnam, they offered people arrested for, say, drug offenses - a deal. “Hey - you can have 7 years in a federal penitentiary for snorting cocaine - or you can serve 5 years in the Marines” killing Vietnamese for Uncle Sam.

Also - in Colorado, they used prison labor to replace all the immigrants they drove out of the state.  The state had to “suddenly find” replacement workers.  So they turned to the state’s prison populations and had them harvest Colorado’s fruits and vegetables for even less than what they paid migrant workers from Mexico.  Like .60 cents an hour or per day! 

And all while the anti-immigration nuts had been screaming about migrants taking American jobs and driving wages down.  Suddenly these same people were applauding the choice, without a thought to what it was doing to the minimum wage.

Earl Speight,

Thank you for sharing your personal experiences.  It adds to my understanding of this horrible story.

Christian 96,

Thank you for sharing your terrible experience, as well.  I have to disagree, however, with your decision not to report this individual - if only to point out - who else are they going to do this do?

Also - it’s not quite the same as the police - most hospital workers don’t violate people’s rights.  Most police, though .. well ...

Great contributions on this article all around!

Surfboy,

As a female I can somewhat empathize with all who see Western civilization as “A White ‘Man’s’ World”.  At the same time, however, I cannot agree that my particular accumulative experiences affords me an insight which others unlike me do not posses.  I can say this, however.  While most men will acknowledge the Glass Ceiling does exists, they know it when they see it, they cannot fully appreciate the frustration it obviously causes.  It’s an internal frustration.

That said, we will still disagree that if a White-Hispanic male uses the term “HillaryCare” we (specifically you and I) must begin by assuming racism. Invidious or otherwise.  This, I think, is the fundamental differences we have on the issue of Martin/Chamberlain. 

Without intending to be insulting it seems to me you summon up that internal frustration we share and wear it like a lens.  You appear to expect racist, or racial, motivations where they do not exist.  Using the term ObamaCare has nothing, whatsoever, to do with racism.  Yet I see that you honestly believe otherwise.

Lastly, I must admit, your answer to my question, is the invention of the term “White-Hispanic” a sign of racism, seemed, well, evasive.

Racism:  The cornerstone of the rogue state of Gringolandia.

hetero, - “it’s not the reporting that’s all that bad…. It’s the editorializing.”

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“Police Tasered ‘Black’ ex-Marine”

I disagree.

Surfboy,

Forget color?  That has been my point entire.  The reporting on these incidents have everything to do with color.

I still believe you are reaching conclusions which are not yet supported by the facts.  But, and this is important, you’ve reached those conclusions based on how this is being reported.

Is it an oversight that you skipped passed my question?  Why, in the eyes of Zimmermann’s accusers, is Zimmerman now White-Hispanic?  Invidious racism?

IMax—- it’s not the reporting that’s all that bad…. It’s the editorializing.

But despite whether Zimmerman is legally guilty , the basic truth is that
Zimmerman whipped up something that was unnecessary and that ending in a
teenager dying for nothing other than Z’s baseless suspicion and desire to
confront the kid.

I’m of a mind to agree that you have a correct notion that some folks want to
exploit this in aid of promoting Obama, but I think that that’s a lot less than
what’s really driving it.

There’s more at work here than race. There’s the issue of whether the Fla law is
a lousy over reach of the self-help principle in law and the ongoing argument of
whether people have the right to go about armed with handguns and whether
these things are desirable.

These things all overlap to some extent and you might want to expand your
thoughts about and comment further.

hetero,

The narrative being pushed simply doesn’t work if Zimmerman is “Hispanic”.  He must be White in order to keep the issue breathing.

Here is the narrative which is heavily pushed, even by the most well-meaning among us.  The Martin and Chamberlain cases change entirely, we are told, if we consider race.  And with a dearth of real facts to consider, all we’re left with is an exploitable, highly charged, issue of race.

The reporting on these two cases is deplorable.

because his father is white and establishment

Surfboy,

Your honest assessment: Why, in the eyes of Zimmermann’s accusers, which includes a large segment of the media, is Zimmerman now white-Hispanic?  Invidious racism?

Surfboy,

We do not have enough of the facts to reach your conclusions.  Not enough by far.  Grand Jury evidence will not be presented until next week.

It is not for the police to sample blood.  See the problem with one of your conclusions?  Please, do not allow your conclusions to become embedded.

The reporting on this is horrendous.  I beg you slow down.  Evaluate what facts you actually posses against how this incident is being reported.

Surfboy,

It is as you say.  There is a belief by many that the use of racially offensive terminologies, such as “ObamaCare”, is a sign of ‘invidious’ racism.  This belief is not only nurtured, it’s being fed and allowed to persist and grow.

I’m saying this is one of the most shameful aspects of my party.  The near constant hyper-awareness of the president as a Black Man.  To many it’s an asset to be wielded, dangerously in my opinion, as a weapon of deflection against the most common of criticisms, policy differences, and, as we have already seen, a campaign platform.

I’m saying that as tragic as the Martin, Chamberlain, and similar incidents are, they are being exploited. 

Think about what you truly know, and I mean solidly, factually know, about the Martin incident.  Or the tragic Chamberlain incident.  Other than the fact that each involved a black individual we have none of the facts which could bring a reasonable man or woman to any conclusions. 

Now I ask you: Why the front-and-center focus on color?  In fact why the overwhelming focus on these two incidents at all?  Each represent one of hundreds involving people of all colors.  And why, in the eyes of Zimmermann’s accusers, is he now white-Hispanic?  Come on, Surf, if that alone is not dividing by race and color, well, I don’t understand the terms Bigot and ‘Invidious’ Racism.

If past is prologue we’ll be seeing a great deal more of these shark stories.

As Elizabeth Alexander, author of the recently released book, “The New Jim Crow”, said the other day on the NPR “On Point” program, the fact that Zimmerman isn’t a police officer is the ONLY reason the media is making a big deal out of the execution of Trayvon Martin; the police ROUTINELY execute minorities with routine whitewashes in the subsequent investigations.

The US IS a racist country. That has NEVER changed and needs to be changed. As to Christian forgiveness, that isn’t the issue here; STOPPING this routine and institutionalized brutality and murder IS. Until police are filmed 24/7 with no recourse to bury the video and audio in the aftermath, these police sponsored race crimes will continue.

The only reason more minorities aren’t killed is because the prison industrial complex wants warm bodies for the prison system where minorities are
A) out of the way
B) are helping corporations scam the general public through tax supported prisons
C) paid slave wages to manufacture goods for other corporations that want the “American made”  brand but manufactured with wages below Chinese factory wage standards.
The police are well aware of the above and ‘trained’ to act accordingly as lackeys for the 1%.

Racism is part and parcel of the moronic loyalty to tribe that the greedsters in the elite pigocracy have ALWAYS used to divide and conquer the 99%. If you look the other way while this shit continues, you aren’t simply stupid; you are a chump for the 1% that laugh all the way to the bank.

I am not defending wrongful actions by these or any other
police officers but I think it is necessary to remind
people not to judge an entire group of people by what
is done by a few members of that group.  Being a police
officer is very difficult in times when human thoughts
and behaviors are influenced by drugs, alcohol, etc.
Would you want your son or daughter to be a police
officer?  It’s a very difficult and dangerous occupation.
Most police officers do not have high intelligence or
they wouldn’t be a police officer.  They would be a
doctor or lawyer, etc.  Police officers often have a
background of serving in a branch of the service where
they were trained in deadly force.  Personally, I had
such an encounter.  Not with a police officer but with
a physician’s assistant in an emergency room on the
Treasure Coast in Florida.  I went to the emergency room
with chest pains.  In the past I had a heart attack,
triple-by-pass, along with several angioplasties. After
being in the emergency room around seven hours I got into
a confrontation with the physician’s assistant.  He beat
me severely with his fists knocking me to the floor.
I suffered four herniated discs in my neck from the
beating but, thank God, I didn’t die.  In his investigations my attorney has discovered that the
physician’s assistant was trained in the army to be
violent.  He wasn’t in the Special Forces but in an
outfit like it.  My attorney has also discovered the
physician’s assistant was arrested in the past on
assault charges.  I didn’t have the man arrested because
he probably would have lost his job.  He was 30 years
old and I was almost 69 at the time of the incident.
In Florida, if someone assaults a senior citizen the
crime is a felony.  I figured he was married with children and needed the job.  Since I’m a Christian, I forgave him.
However, I’m drifting.  Just because I was beaten by
one person working at a hospital I don’t judge all
employees at the hospital by this one incident.  That’s
why I think it is important for us not to judge all
police officers because of the wrongful incidents of
some police officers.  We need the police to protect us.
Thank God we have men and women willing to risk their
lives to do so.

Racism is a pernicious evil. When it is institutionalized in our criminal [IN]justice system and police have immunity to act out on their racist ideations killing people with immunity,it manifests as a particularly virulent disease.

As the former leader of the KKK said, “We are in your schools, we are in your police forces, we are everywhere” he was not kidding.

hetero

You are a troll.  You are boring.  You are a fool.

Goodman can be counted on to shade the truth and the emotive purple prose
from her in this post would be hilarious if not the events so serious.
Here’s a much better account of the killing than this one from Goodman.

http://tinyurl.com/ckx3986

Note that the story contains this….

...“The alert system phone in Mr. Chamberlain’s apartment recorded most of the
standoff, as did a security camera in the hall. And the officers’ Tasers carried
video recorders.

Last month, the Westchester County district attorney played these for the dead
man’s son, Kenneth Chamberlain Jr., who teaches martial arts for a local
nonprofit organization and intends to file a lawsuit”...

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also note that the incident is going to a grand jury.

Surfboy,

This issue is proper at any time.  And we will all see how very useful the issue can be over the next 18 months.  I’m already ashamed of what is about to happen in the coming election season with ‘this’ issue.

Add in another one, in Chicago - link at CD: http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/04/04-1

Black cop shot 28 times and charged with attempted murder. You know the cops claim anything when they commit crimes and they get away with it because they can. First trial was a mixed bag. Put him on trial again and the jury convicted him. How, I cannot imagine.

The 2012 Presidential Election has begun. :(

Yet another horror story of U.S. justice. and your still voting for Obama? I remember when Kennedy sent in federal marshals when the FBI and Alabama police were deemed to corupt to deal wth the civil rights violence. Mr. Obama chooses to authorize the arrest of more poor dope smokers while issuing platinum passports to rich folk. [Ownng a platinum passport makes you immune from arrest.]