None of the articles on the legality of this operation seem to consider that the operation took place on foreign soil and that sending soldiers into Pakistan like that was an act of war, and certainly illegal, making any deaths murder.  True even if Osama and his friends had resisted with firepower.

Instead this is treated like an episode of “Cops”.

“even though Awlaki hasn’t been charged with—much less convicted of—a crime”

Um… neither had Osama.

Keep drinking that koolaid Rico….

Yeah…19 “hijackers” who had no training, no real abilities, performed almost military precision attacks on 4 targets in one day.

Two of the largest buildings in the world crumbled and were pulverized into fragments, in ways that buildings have been destroyed before…EVER.

And miraculously, in all this crumbling and pulverizing, the carry-on bag of the terrorists is thrown clear of the destruction, survives the fireball impact, and then lands safely somewhere for the FBI to pick up….and then suckers like you to think it’s all genuine and real.

God are humans really this stupid?

“Judicial review”, “due process.”

HELLO, Mr Sirota. Did Al Qaeda exercise due process and perform judicial review for the 3000 it killed on 9/11?

We’re in a fucking war! This wasn’t some street thug in Detroit accused of shooting up a nightclub.

Reread Mike789 below.

On the other hand, it’s fun to dissect the Obamasamadrama and find anomalies. 
When I first heard the story, I looked at a map, and damn, Islamabad’s a long ways away from the sea.  What if some Pakistani Air Force Bigshot didn’t get the memo?  Seems like they took a lot of trouble to get rid of that stiff. 
Does anybody really believe they gave him a “respectful” burial at sea? 
Photos wouldn’t tell us a goddam thing.  Unless you believe Forrest Gump actually spoke with LBJ.  There’d certainly be T-shirts made of them though, which some guys would wear proudly as if it required courage to do so.

Thoughts on the Obamasamadrama

It’s really important that we keep in mind that we can never know the truth of what happened.  Is there a soul so naive as to think that if the stiff didn’t turn out to be bin Laden, we would have been told?

It seems kind of silly to waste much time arguing about manner of one guy’s death (assuming it really was the boogie man) when there have been so many countless hundreds of thousands of deaths in this reign of terror in the Middle East. 

I read somewhere that this operation was given an 80% chance of success.  The writer was praising Obama, saying it showed he could be bold, etc.  Help him in the polls.  That scares the shit out of me.  What if it’s October 2012 and he ain’t doin’ too good in the polls?  Is he gonna go for another 80%er?  Ratchet down to 70%?  Ya know, ya go for them kinda odds too often, you’re gonna lose big.

oh here is my David Sirota.

I’ve been looking for you. You are the one who coined the phrase Obamabot, you loves to troll Obama, and how. You do it all over Facebook and Truthdig.

“Will the nonsense ever cease?”  Well, first someone
has to define “nonsense.”  Once that mission is
accomplished then we can better predict if it will
ever cease.

“Will the nonsense never cease?” evidently not.

@LAFAYETTE

You’ve been drinking to much of the government’s koolaid…

When will THAT nonsense ever end?  Boy…talk about gullible.

Katsteevns—-I would favor “education” to educate
the masses.  The masses seem to watch a lot of movies. I expect a movie will appear soon to explain
to the masses how and why Osama was killed rather than captured.  The problem with movies is obvious:
(1) WHO writes the script? The Pentagon? If so expect propaganda. It will probably be years before the real story is told. Probably by an elderly Seal who was part of the operation. Perhaps, a movie written and produced in Pakistan by someone who knows a member of Osama’s klan might be closer to the truth.  If the CIA lets them live.  Expect people in Osama’s klan to start disappearing one by one and not reported in the western media.

Whenever I see commenters blustering and bellowing in support of government lies and globalist murder, using macho jargon borrowed from some defense contractor’s PowerPoint presentation, I am reminded of the Pentagon’s astroturf program to shove paid liars and shills onto message boards in support of their corporate wars without end:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All

rttb: Then you can do whatever you want.

“You” who?

You’ve been watching too many Hollywood spy-films.

Will the nonsense never cease?

This was a military operation and not intended to bring a professed murderer to “justice” for 9/11.

ObL was a military combatant and not a civilian. It is wrongheaded to apply either civil or criminal law to the circumstance.

The US had every reason to inflict extreme prejudice upon the commanding officer of a Terrorist Army with whom it is engaged in war. Al Qaeda would have done the same if it could have taken out Obama.

Here’s something else about this whole affair.
In spycraft,  if you can discover someone who is supposedly as important as OBL, and neither he nor his associates know that you know, well then, you are sitting on an intelligence gold mine.
Now you are free to observe the comings and goings of everyone, tail them, maybe even arrange for one of your agents to “accidentally” stumble up to the compound door as a beggar, itinerant holy man, tinker, taylor or whatever. You can set up shops or get your people to get jobs in existing shop to get to know everyone involved.
Then you patiently watch until you know everybody involved and everything they do. Then you can do whatever you want. You can infiltrate provocateurs, spread disinformation. Blackmail. Turn the entire organization. Anything. Only when there is no more to gain or there is danger of being discovered do you roll up the organization.
Most people don’t know it, but this is the way it is done. Most people think that when a big fish is discovered they reel him in and leave the network in place, as in the case of OBL. But that would be really foolish, and no intelligence agency worth its salt will do that.
The only reason to do this is to make a political point, or to stir up people for some kind of campaign.
It’s unclear what the purpose was here. Obama in 2012 is the conventional wisdom, but there is probably more to it than that.

Mike789:

You are EXACTLY the kind of moron this country does not need.  You are complicit in bringing this country down.

You disgust me.

Amerika is ripening for another civil war! Absent this emigration will undoubtedly occur before the fascists destroy us all!

christian96,
Only education, lots of time and a string of hard knocks will wake up “the people”. On the other hand, a miracle might happen.

Mike789,

What does being an ex-toad have to do with anything?  This mission was part and parcel an Army special forces or Marine force recon mission, Why ST-6 was used smacks of minimal disclosure as the teams are smaller and more easier to keep a lid on.

Using seaborne SF in an mountainous AO smells like a mismatch of mission requirements.

Fire disipline is attained by troops long before they enter SF training and making excuses for ‘survival’ situations is lame.  OBL didn’t have a weapon, it surely would have been noticed and is hardly survival.

Its a shame the initial mission brief and after action report will never be known as it most likely would implicate officers and elected officials in numerous crimes both domestically and internationally.

Remember, the only easy day was yesterday.

Seems that every event in our modern history is somehow complicit in a conspiracy. If it’s so goddamn bad, why don’t you take up your sandals and walk out?

That’s right I drank the kool-aid to support your fat ass and would no doubt do it again if given a chance to serve even after being exposed to some of the ingrates on this website. By the way, for all you conspiracy goons with your pipe dreams, there is the real world and there’s the fairy-tale world where the marginally informed have to go Hollywood at every turn. This website is a goldmine of screen plays yet to be produced. Where’s the popcorn?

In fact, I served and trained with a SEAL Team during my lengthy enlistment. I have a modicum of how tenacious and dedicated these teams are to prevail and protect their own survival. My point was that in the meley of action an instantaneous decision has to be made. That being said, to trust OBL if he gives no sign of capitulation, and put at risk an operation with an unknown number of squad casualties or to react out of a sense of self-preservation if he makes an inadvertant move is crucial factor in the balance.

Samson ~ Your post does not qualify for a response, but here’s one. It’s fucking shallow. “A couple of buildings.” ????

Geoph ~ What historical points did I make other than refernce 9/11? I simply assumed that the founders had no crystal ball. A more realistic approach is to try to imagine just exactly what they would do if they were confronted with a modern situation. As to that, we do not know. Sure, if a conspiracy theory is the basis of your premise, it’s a cool move to take the moral high ground citing the founders as super moral. The founders were no angels. The genetic make-up is the same as ours. They’d have to weigh the consequences and the lives at stake just like we should.

Localhero ~ What are you smoking? Oh yeah, it’s a med.

taikan ~ The War Powers Act would seem to cover this situation. I thought I made it clear, referencing justice given to others in extreme situations like a serial killer or Nuremberg, that this is a unique, in extremis, situation Frankly, considering the impact on innocents. who are usually precluded their rights, I’d have to try to save as many lives as possible. As per OBL, he’d be given one chance to surrender. He could not be trusted in a darkened room. I would hope the CIC would favor a SEAL Team family over OBL’s in his order’s construct and give our guy every advantage.

Arabian Sinbad ~ What don’t you get about a covert team? Are they supposed to do a dog and pony show for FOX news?

Thanks so much dudes.

The article asks, “Is America a country where self-
reflection is valued?”  Yes, self-reflection is valued in America but only among a small number of
individuals with IQ’s falling in the “superior” range.  The vast majority of Americans have IQ’s
somewhere akin to those individuals appearing on The Price Is Right at 11 am, EDT, on CBS.  They would spend more self-reflection on which team is going to win the NBA championship than “should we have captured Osama Bin Laden instead of killing him?”
The significant question probably should have been,
“How can self-reflective intellectuals get their
thoughts exposed to the masses who happen to be more concerned with who is going to win the NBA championship?”  Anyone have any answers?

Im sure we can gert the Navy Seals and the Israeli commandos who took out Mavi Marvara in for special awards, so bring out your barf buckets and hold on tight for
more terror after terror…......

Do you notice how much of this is written in such a
neutral tone?  It constantly refers to ‘the
President’, as if he’s anonymous.  In one paragraph
he does actually mention Obama by name, but that’s
buried in the paragraph and only after another of the
neutral ‘the president’ references.

From reading this, you’d have a hard time guessing
the Democrats are in power.  And, that’s the blinders
that Mr. Sirota is so reluctant to remove.  He was
telling everyone to vote Democrat in the last
election.  Mr. Sirota was an Obama supporter in the
last election.  He spent his life before punditry as
a Democratic party political operative.

So, he can’t seem to admit even to himself that he’s
been a part of the problem. That he had a role in
electing this government.  That at least some of this
blood in on his hands.

Sooner or later, the people who love Obama and the
Democrats but who whine about what the Democrats do
with the power when they get it are going to have to
wake up.  When they helped to elect Democrats, they
got this blood on their hands just as if they were
the Navy Seal who pulled the trigger.

Mr. Sirota ... when will you stop being a part of the
problem?  Are you willing to come out and say that we
shouldn’t re-elect this nameless President from an
unknown party who’s doing these awful things?  Or,
will you walk into a voting booth next year and
register your total and complete support for
everything you decry by voting for Obama again?

To Mike789 .. uh, read your history. 

The founding fathers were in the midst of a brutal
revolutionary war.  They knew they were fighting a
bloodthirsty tyrant who would hang them all if their
bid for freedom failed.

New York City was OCCUPIED by the British for most of
the war.  Isn’t an army of occupation invading New
York and sitting there for almost the entire eight
year Revolutionary War a bit worse than some
terrorist blowing up a couple of buildings?

Or, if you include the following War of 1812, the
British invaded Washington DC and burned the city to
the ground, including the new Capital Building that
was under construction.

So, yeah, tell us again how the people who fought and
died to make this a free country never had to deal
with anything like 9-11. 

The founding Americans believed in Freedom.  They
would not have considered a trial an inconvenience.
They would not have said we can’t have a trial
because it might cause an uproar.  No, to them, a
trial by jury was a sacred right for all men, and one
that they had just lost many friends and family
members to obtain.

I dont think they wanted to try OBL as he would state comments that would clearly
be anti semitic, and we cant have that!

The JFK conspiracy theorists will be dwarfed by the millions of doubts given birth on the “death” of bin Laden.  I know, we didn’t land first on the moon, either, but that is besides the point.  Just as the agrarianists in Mexico refused to believe that Emiliano Zapata’s famous white horse no longer bore a rider, many Muslims, terrorists and others, will find unbelievable gaps in the death of OBL.  The burial at sea will be seen as a routine destruction of the identity of the target, just as the porno will be seen as routine LAPD practice with throw-down’s (i.e. the XXX stuff was supplied by Seals).  Don’t blame me if I dream up conspiracies all the time.  I took to heart the remark of a little old lady who said, “Oh, I listen to the paranoids.  They’re the only ones paying attention to what is going on.”

SUCKERS!!!!!  The dumb American public has been had again…

Anyone who believe’s the OBL garbage is a true idiot.

Mark my words:

- You’ll see just as many if not more terrorist attacks (all false flag)

-  stupid reports about how Al Quaeda is still growing and is getting bigger and bigger

- Soon there’ll be a successor to OBL (the powers at be have finally found the perfect fake adversary…never going away, never defeatable, always growing).

This is perfect for the dumb suckers of the western world and US of A.  Perfect.

I’m repeating myself, but:  I think somebody decided to play the “we got bin Laden” card in the game of American psyops.  Shot in the face and dumped in the ocean!?  I have to ask, did they tie concrete blocks to his feet first?

Obama is so gullible and pathetic I have to mute the sound when he comes on; but convince him and you’ve convinced a bunch of do-gooder MSNBC “analysts” (sic).

If a helicopter crashes into a concrete wall in the
middle of a military village does it make a sound?
Apparently the villagers heard something, like the
explosions and gun fire. The sky was lit up with
fires and when the villagers came out to see what was
going on they are met with non uniformed, armed
soldiers-ordering them back into their homes, in the
Pashto dialect. For over an hour, neither the police,
army or even the sentries guarding the military bases
heard a thing or showed up. The Pakistanis with
multiple wars with India and a nuclear arsenal just
happen to stand down their air defenses and park
their F-16s for over an hour and just at the
opportune moment? Like ours did on 9/11? No security
guards, escape plans or means to destroy computer
files by a senile looking actor who had no cares or
fears of capture? No phones or internet connections
yet he was the command and control of AQ operations?
The Seals could not risk their safety because he
might have had a suicide vest, and kept it on 24/7
for the past 6 years in anticipation of the ST6
dropping in at any moment? With no body or evidence
that anyone was killed, except the blood from the
wife who was shot? The debate over the righteousness
of a kill on sight order-even without proof than
anyone died. Red blooded patriots running cover on
websites deriding and name calling anyone who dare
question the narrative de jure, in our truthiness
like heroic fairly tales. In spite of this blatant
betrayal as Pakistan hides our arch enemy, wanted for
3000 deaths in NYC-both democrats and republicans
supporting continued aid to them. The politicos
demanding sanctions against our fickle, dishonest and
incompetent ally-reversing their positions after
secret briefings that by law they are prevented from
disclosing to our citizens. Reported evidence that
Osama feared that Obama would be reelected. He must
have been a Trump supporter. There is no hope for our
nation of lemmings. Don’t call them gullible, try
terminally stupid. Then the helpful AQ confirming our
kill and retaliating against Pakistanis who were
supposedly out of the loop and caught completely off
guard. Who can forget Pat Tillman, Kelly Lynch and
all the other lies that unraveled. So we spent
trillions, invaded Iraq and Afghanistan in our ten
year search for one man-as Ron Paul points out. We
have killed hundreds of Afghanis to get BL who was in
Pakistan all this time. Now that he is dead and we
have revenged our loses with hundreds of thousands of
Iraqi and Afghani deaths-who had nothing to do with
9/11-we have to stay in both countries? So many
obvious questions our MSM will never ask. They ask
rhetorically, what did Pakistan know and when did
they know it? But would never dare to ask the same of
our government. Our CIA safe house undetected in the
same neighborhood for the past 6 months-apparently
watching our polls to pick the perfect time for a
ratings bump. ‘What web we weave, when first we
practice to deceive’. Instead of any critical
thinking our youth run into the streets, break open a
six pack, party and chant USA until they puke. Time
to go my tin foil hat is starting to itch. I know
just asking was a betrayal to my country. Forgive me
for my sin St.Obama.

The claim by OBL’s daughter that OBL was caught and then summarily executed might explain why Obama is unwilling to release the photos of the body and why the US chose to dispose of the body at sea, where it cannot be exhumed for examination.  However, except to a criminal prosecutor, the question of whether OBL was captured and then executed or whether he was simply killed pursuant to a “kill don’t capture” order is relatively unimportant. 

The question raised by Sirota is whether the United States has the legal right, under US and international law, to order the killing of a citizen of another country who is not physically engaged in activities hostile to the US at the time of the killing. 

Mike789 clearly believes that the US should conduct such killings, but does not address the question of whether it is legal for the US to do so under either international or US law.  However, his argument is based in part on a view of the circumstances that is now being contradicted by OBL’s daughter, and makes no reference to any US or international law that might make the summary execution of a captured prisoner or a “kill don’t capture” order legal. 

OBL was either an enemy combatant or he was a criminal.  Either way, because it has been admitted that he was unarmed at the time of his death, killing him was illegal unless he performed some act that threatened the safety of the SEALS who confronted him.  If he was an enemy combatant, then his killing violated the Geneva Convention, which generally prohibits the killing of unarmed persons (regardless of whether they are combatants) who are not engaged in hostile actions.  If he was a criminal, then his killing would not have violated the Geneva Convention but it would appear to have violated the US Constitution and international law, both of which prohibit the killing of unarmed criminals unless they somehow threaten the safety of others.

Sirota finalizes his piece with the key question:
“Is America a country where self-reflection is valued? Or are we a country where these critical questions are no longer permitted?

“The Government” has already answered it by slamming Bradley Manning in jail before charges have been brought, and by going gung-ho to extradite Julian Assange.  Those acts show clearly that “The Government” is afraid of the truth and has lost all
ability to admit its mistakes and self-correct. They want vengeance against people who blow whistles on
secrecy, graft, torture, illegal wars and corporate exploitation.

“The People” can do the self-correcting—if they
have the smarts, the courage and the will to do it
nonviolently. Otherwise it looks like curtains for democracy.

Hey Mike789, keep drinking the Pentagon kool-aid.
You’ve got the cartoon-version of history down pat!

I’m sure this is a waste of time to explain since it
would void your ridiculous understanding of the way the
US operates but it wasn’t a “supposed” kill order, it’s
a fact. And ObL had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11
and he said as much himself. I’d take his word over any
of the war criminals in either the Bush or Obama
administration any day.

This fish just keeps getting bigger…and more stinky. After all, our government would never lie to us (except for the Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, The gulf of Tonkien, Watergate, Irangate, Iran-Contra….. well, you get the point)

Those of you who advocate the idea that OBL is responsible for 911 just because the guy who stole the 2004 election said so, are the real terrorists and destroyers of what this country stands for. Your worth as productive humans is less than the piece of ground you stand on.

Funny how someone who totally outsmarted the entire US military complex 10 years go with a highly specialized, intricate web of bad guys…..(this would include, of course, the planting of several members of the Israeli Mossad on the Jersey side to video tape the event while jumping up and down and cheering. WOW!, what an act of genius!!!).....  somehow decided to retire from his life of evil. Maybe he had had enough of fame and fortune and was practicing Buddism and praying to Gandhi. That would explain why he was unarmed.

It’s amazing how MSNBC p;undits rally behind Obama, dissing such “lefties” as
Michael Moore and others—a small minority, they say—and generating “kill, yes-
-capture no” polls that support the president’s kill orders.  Even the representative
from Illinois slipped in her appreciative remarks for Obama in referring to bin
Laden’s death as a murder on Hardball. 

I think the only reason they revised their story about bin Laden was because they
left living witnesses behind in the hands of our allies the Pakistanis who were
getting increasingly upset that the Pakistanis were being threatened with de-
funding.  Hence the urgency to get to those witnesses and to re-assess the
Pakistanis as our friends.

There is no doubt to me that a kill-only order is patently un-American.  I don’t know what happened in that house during the raid, but the American thing would have been to try to take him alive.  We are supposed to stand for something greater than just executing those we feel are in violation of the law.  That even an accused mass-murderer should be able to defend him or herself against the evidence.  The lack of even an opportunity for that makes me think two things.  The first is they didn’t have enough evidence to convict him for the 9-11 attacks or any of the other many attacks Al-Qaida has carried out prior to those attacks.  It seems highly unlikely that there wouldn’t be enough evidence to gain a conviction in a US court of law with a jury of American citizens, but I suppose its plausible.  This leaves the other possibility as more likely, that Bin Laden, the former CIA contact, had a lot of secrets which could come out in a trial.  The kind of secrets that would reveal things the Americans and the world would be very unhappy to hear.  In either case its done and done, we will never no the truth of the matter, but it does give us a chance to reflect on how we will behave in the future.  Like the author, I am worried that this sets a dangerous precedent and further erodes the already crumbling rule of law in the United States.

Just one week after the supposedly summary execution of Bin Laden, or someone who was presumed to be him, America is less secure today than it was since 9/11.

A good indicator of this is the latest news about the panicking of the supposedly “courageous” Navy Seals “heroes” who carried out this operation. Despite the fact that neither their names nor their pictures have been released, those so-called “courageous heroes” are expressing their fears for their personal safety!

Another likely burden to be added to taxpayers now is to provide security details for some 40 people who are supposed to be so “courageous heroes” who are not afraid of death!

What a sad story that keeps getting more sad everyday!

Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

 
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack

Paul Joseph Watson

Wednesday, May 4, 2011

“Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80?s.

Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.”

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Click on link for details & video(s) of interview on 05/03/11:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html

The other side of the equation, the supposition that a “kill order” was in fact a reality has to be weighed in a realistic set of scales. First, it has to be acknowledged that OBL presents a unique set of contingencies with concommitant consequences.

A decision at the presidential level would have to consider (in this singular case) how many more innocent people lives would be snuffed out if OBL were to be held captive awaiting trial, being tried, awaiting appeal and ultimately excecuted. How many hostage situations would emerge? It may be a tempting situation for a media circus, but should a president assume responsibility for more deaths?

I mean really? I can see trying a self proclaimed serial killer who might make perverted ideological statements at trial. That would, more than likely not cause an uproar in any community. In the Nuremberg trials there was the element of finality. No one was going to contest on a religious level a sanction for murderous conduct. Bin Laden voicing jihad on a worldwide stage is another matter entirely.

OBL, a living martyre, presents lethality on a grand scale. This is not just suppositon. This is a cold hard fact that any reasonable person should comprehend. More people will die. Where is justice served if more are to die so that a devil incarnate can affect more damage and have his day and say in court? Does this creep, sociopath or whatever, deserve the convenience of a fair trial? Quite frankly, I think not.

The framers of the Constituation never in their wildest dreams imagined a catastrophe on the scale of 9/11 and its permutations. Enough is enough with this bullshit artist. We are right to be rid of him.

The assumption, and that’s all it is, that a “kill only” order was given, based on the PR fiasco, or other hypotheticals, ignores the crucial immediacy of the actual event.

I suspect that if OBL has surrendered, he’d be a captive. For this to actually happen certain gestures of capitulation had to have been made plain to those assigned to his apprehension. OBL, who vowed not to be taken alive, who has been a consummate purveyor of lies, was not to be trusted. In a darkened environment, in a split secound decision, he was eliminated.

The SEAL team did the right thing to ensure a successful mission. No one who has not had a similar training, can realistically pronounce judgement. They are not trained to negotiate politics with a sociopath.

What are the odds of OBL wearing an explosive vest, or maybe there’s a button under the table? How does that effect the risk equation of life or death for our soldiers? Granted, SEALs, take on this king of task volutarily. Nonetheless they are people, no doubt with families and something to live for. Who gets the benefit of the doubt here. OBL or our guys? The talking heads are full of dukey.

If he would not demonstrably desist, how does that change the equation of a completed mission with minimal casualties? That’s the scenario that should be analyzed, not the supposition of a “kill only” order.

OBL did not deserve a better chance than his complete and immediate surrender. He didn’t ever give his victims any chance whatsoever. So, being a snake in the grass, and that’s exactly what he is or was, he settled his own fate. That’s what bad charma can do for ya. It builds to a crescendo and is reversed in an instant. He sealed his own fate (not a pun) when he planned to murder innocents.

“if you don’t like America, you can get out!”

God, how many time have I heard this load o crap come out of people’s mouths? We live in a vacuum…it’s time to burst the inflated ego bubble. This same attitude is what keeps this country divided. So, I say, draw a line down the middle of the country and put all the superpatriots in the East and the rest of us will take the better half.