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Arms Dealer Obama Will Win by Default

Posted on Jan 5, 2012
AP / Gerald Herbert

President Barack Obama talks with Saudi King Abdullah in 2009.

By Robert Scheer

Barack Obama will be re-elected not as a vindication of his policies but because the Republicans are incapable of providing a reasonable challenge to his flawed performance. On the central issue of our time—reining in the greed of the multinational corporations, led by the financial sector and the defense industry—a Republican presidential victor, with the possible exception of the now-sidelined Ron Paul, would do far less to challenge the kleptocracy of corporate-dominated governance.

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As compared to front-runner Mitt Romney, who wants to derail even Obama’s tepid efforts at regulating Wall Street, and who seeks ever more wasteful increases in military spending, the incumbent president appears relatively enlightened, but that is cold comfort.

Not only has Obama been a savior of the banking conglomerates that so generously financed his campaign, but he also has proved to be equally as solicitous of the needs of the military-industrial complex. He entered his re-election year by signing a $662 billion defense authorization bill that strips away some of our most fundamental liberties and keeps military spending at Cold War levels, and by approving a $60 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia.

Those two actions represent an obvious contradiction, since the attack on American soil that kept defense spending so high in the post-9/11 decade was carried out by 15 Saudis and four other men directed by Osama bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi primarily using funding from his native land. Now Saudi Arabia is to be protected as a holdout against the democratic impulse of the Arab Spring because it is our ally against Iran, a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. Saudi Arabia, it should be recalled, was one of only three nations, along with the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan, to recognize the Taliban government that harbored bin Laden before 9/11.

This is the same Saudi monarchy that rushed its forces into Bahrain last March to crush a popular uprising. But that doesn’t trouble the Obama administration; for two years it has been aggressively pushing the Saudi arms deal, which includes $30 billion in fighter jets built by Boeing. Forget human rights or the other good stuff Democrats love to prattle on about. As White House spokesman Josh Earnest put it: “This agreement reinforces the strong and enduring relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia and demonstrates the U.S. commitment to a strong Saudi defense capability as a key component to regional security.”


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The rationale for the first big arms deal with the tyrannical Saudi monarchy since 1992 is that a better-armed Sunni theocracy is needed to counter the threat from the Shiite theocracy in Iran. Once again the U.S. is stoking religious-based fratricide, just as we did in Iraq. Only this time, we are on the side of Saudi Sunnis oppressing Shiites both at home and in neighboring Bahrain. That oppression—along with a U.S. invasion that replaced Tehran’s sworn enemy in Sunni-led Baghdad with a Shiite leadership that had long been nurtured by Iran’s ayatollahs—is what enhances the regional influence of Iran.

If Iran ever does pose a regional military threat because of its nuclear program or any other reason, real or concocted, it will be NATO forces that will take out the threat, not the Saudis, who will still be polishing their latest-model F-15s as icons of a weird conception of modernism.

The real reason for this deal is that it is the only sort of jobs program that Democrats are capable of pushing through an obstructive Congress. The administration boasts that the arms package will result in 50,000 jobs in 44 states, underscoring the warning from Dwight Eisenhower, the last progressive Republican president, about the power of a military-industrial complex that has tentacles in every congressional district. As Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, an Armed Services Committee member who championed this sale, put it: “The F-15 is a world-class aircraft built by hardworking folks right here in St. Louis. I am thrilled for all of the skilled men and women on the F-15 line that this important, big order that I have stood side-by-side with them in working to secure is finally happening.” 

A Democrat running for re-election, McCaskill added, “These are important jobs in our community. I will continue advocating for sales of Boeing products wherever appropriate.” Being a good Democrat, she doesn’t reference Boeing’s profits, which are increasingly dependent upon arming the rest of the world.

That’s the win-win of government-generated profits and jobs on which the Democrats are counting to defeat the Republicans, both through campaign contributions from the more rational among the wealthy and the votes of ordinary people who, despite being seriously hurt in this economy, have nowhere else to turn.

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By Shenonymous, January 11, 2012 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, Jan. 9 4:10 pm – Inasmuch as human thought is as
much physiological as much as is a human body, for without a
brain, no thought is possible, at least thought as we know it to
be, no, I do not mean merely evolution in thinking.  Rather, I
mean that because of the necessity of the organismic imperative
to survive, and there are as many ways that survival manifests as
there are organisms in the set of which humans are included, the
mind evolves in the same way as the body and that evolution in
thinking is slower than might be thought.  You dissented, and I
paraphrase, it can be abrupt.

I thought I was clear that I was speaking of species change, not an
individual’s, which could be quick, but then could it still be called an
evolution or better described as a realization?  The real meaning of
evolution is via natural selection where those adaptable to the
environment are more likely to survive and the gene pool is more
survival prone on account of the compatibility with nature (the

Consciousness as we know it, to the degree that we are conscious, was
not to that same degree among primitive humans.  Consciousness did
also evolve as the body was able to survive by reason of the abundance
of nutrition and physical comfort and only by that reason longevity
increased and a developing brain, with its capacity for consciousness,
along with it.  Of course nature and nurture are involved in a species
survival, as both the natural and social sciences have determined.  For
those who are educated, this is a given.  But I would argue that nurture
can only augment nature.

You speak too synoptically with regard to the goals of civilizations,
however, and you have offered no actual argument even though you
gave a couple of particular examples of individuals who seem to have
regarded war as a ‘natural’ “glorious” pursuit, Patton, Hitler (we can
assume several others).  While their thought might be a minuscule
(rather microscopic) factor in it, individuals alone do not invoke a
species change, natural selection would have to be involved and that
is a long haul

You suggest that if Hitler had been ‘nurtured’ differently the world would
have been better off.  While it might be true, that does not address the
idea I presented of nurture vs. nature.  The fact that Patton or Hitler saw
war as glorious is just as much a natural inclination found in the species
as much as if they were nurtured by tutors (parents, or other teachers).

When you ask the ‘what if’ question, ”...if he had been nurtured to
  you do not discuss the issue.  For example, when Hitler
tried to equate human cruelty with the same detachment as that of
Nature, it is obvious he was not making a valid comparison.  Cruelty
in man is not detached at all, but is attached as much as possible;
attached through learned (nurture) judgment.  Judgment without
assessment through morals (also nurtured, and culturally relative)
learning.  The question is whether morals are natural or cultural
inventions.  And to ask what kind of morals learning did Hitler, or
Patton, have?  And the question of what is the natural or nurture
connection between war and cruelty must also be considered.

I disagree that war is essentially nurtured, but has without a doubt a
natural impulse.  But I would agree it is enhanced by nurture when
individuals of the species notice there is a benefit to war against others
of their species to promote their own survival.  Then to encourage others
to war with them, they have to make up stories of glory (nurture) to
inspire offering their own lives in the service of a higher cause.  Now
why these other humans would be so convinced is another intriguing
question, wouldn’t you say?

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By JDmysticDJ, January 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment


Perusing this thread I come upon the following comment by you.

“It is hard for most to fathom that evolution is slower than we think.”

I’m assuming that you’re referring to an evolution in thinking which would result in a change in behavior rather than an evolution in physiology. A significant change in physiology in the human species might take centuries or even longer but a change in thinking might come into being much more rapidly. Social scientists consider Nature and Nurture to be the governing factors in human behavior with some schools of social science giving more weight to Nature and other schools giving more weight to Nurture, but it is mutually agreed by all schools of social science that both Nature and Nurture govern behavior. Overcoming and regulating carnal nature is, I’ll argue, the goal of civilizations to a greater or lesser extent depending on particular civilization and overcoming carnality also seems to be the goal of individuals to a lesser or greater extent depending on the individual. For example, considering the issue of warlike behavior, General George Patton is reported to have been an individual who had a high regard for war not just as a necessary evil but as a glorious pursuit, while there are, and have been, others from history and of today of many different stripes and philosophies who have/had a much different evaluation of war than did two gunned, Slap Happy, George “Blood and Guts” Patton. Hitler was another who saw war as glorious, whether he was nurtured to believe that way or if it was his natural inclination is unknown to me. However, if he had been nurtured to believe that war was something other than glorious perhaps the world would have been better off, such can only be conjecture but seeing as how Hitler ended up blowing his brains out perhaps he Hitler would have been better off if he had been Nurtured away from believing war glorious or “Natural.”

Adolph Hitler: “I see no reason why man should not be just as cruel as Nature”

I’ll suggest that arguing war to be “Natural” to humankind is in essence a Nurturing towards the acceptance of war.

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By terry p, January 9, 2012 at 10:54 am Link to this comment
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Oh, yea- the following is courtesy of Richard Stallman - an internet freedom activist, activist in general, a computer whiz and all around pretty good ole guy:)

“US citizens: phone your congresscritter and senators and say to cut military spending deeply. Also sign this petition>>>

The Capitol Switchboard numbers are 202-224-3121, 888-818-6641 and 888-355-3588.”


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By terry p, January 9, 2012 at 8:15 am Link to this comment
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80’s— That’s close enough for you to be shown a little politeness and respect:?)

You must’ve been a part of that beat generation? ‘Cool, man, cool’. Is it true that the ‘nik’ suffix for beatnik came from Sputnik?

I was in the next generation that came along which was ‘hip man’!

I agree with you, though, She makes good points. It seems to me that we humans are smart enough to know that this war mentality is going to end badly.

I wonder how many political futures would succeed if telling the truth, more especially about the reasons we drum up for war, was mandatory and enforced by a stiff penalty. A truth serum before debates or any public speech might be a handy tool especially if the general public presented the questions. The same truth should be expected from our media. Real journalist, like Julian Assange want to tell the truth.

I for one understand why you don’t believe our fearless leaders.

Very InterestingK comments!


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By they call me the working man, January 8, 2012 at 11:32 pm Link to this comment

On the subject of war being natural

“My point is there is a huge library and specimens of evidence that the
impulse for conquest is a natural instinct in humankind.  And while we
have developed morals about this savagery, and we deplore our history,
it is characteristic of our species the world over”

As Howard Zinn said, if war and aggression are natural human traits then why is there a need for a draft? War propaganda? Harsh anti desertion rules?

Also to make this point you need to lump all people into one basket. This is a view that can only occur in thought but doesn’t exist in reality. People are all different.

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By balkas, January 8, 2012 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

shenon, if a govt would be killing, imprisoning, torturing, threatening with death members of
another political party, people would have the right—or be actually morally and legally obligated
to reciprocate; provided there is at least a sliver of chance of succeeding. if not, then bide the time!
in short, speak the the only language the violent party or govt understands.
but i do not know that baathists or ghadafi’s govt had been behaved that way.
all i know is that i am getting conflicting information about libyian govt’s doings.
i also know that asocialists, theocrats hated him and his diktatorial rule; however, as far as i know,
never on grounds that he did not allow another political party to function and by means which i
have listed above.
i have no money nor time to get propoerly educated about what ghadafi did and what baathists do
now regarding other political parties. and i am not going to accept as true what sarkozy, obama,
berlusconi, cameron, or MSM say about these two govts. tnx

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By balkas, January 8, 2012 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

terry p,
i am actually only eighty and not in my nineties [it came out
as ninties, i thought i corrected it, but that dirty lying
computer always plays tricks with me] tnx

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By omop, January 8, 2012 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

The result of the zionist/neocons “shock and awe in Iraq.”

  Enjoy the fotos curtesy of US depleted uranium.

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By Shenonymous, January 8, 2012 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

balkas, t depends on what you want to call war. Seems to me that
the Libyan people de facto declared a defensive war on the Gadhafi
regime when they entered into resistive protest.  Gadhafi invaded his
own people for being confrontational to his tyrannical dictatorial
governing policies. Syria has done the same thing. Yes, I suppose
some would think people ought to submit to such oppressive
treatment and accept their enslavement.  It would be the finer way
for humans to behave to force change through political means but
when there are no political means to do that, then what?  That is the
essential problem that existed in Libya and Syria.  It was also the
case in oppressive Egypt and in their peaceful protest, the Mubarak
government only became deposed when the military turned against
him.  Coercion and creating fear are strategies that work, in either
direction, when oppressing people, or when removing bad leaders,
that often involved executions.

Seems like the Brotherhood in Egypt is, at least, announcing it
would resist theocratic rule.  If it is to remain democratic, which
clearly is what the people wanted, it will have to be a participatory
government and be tolerant to all belief system.  This is what will be
the proof of the pudding of success of the people’s exertion.  I agree
that theocracies would undo all the energy and blood spent by the
people’s protests.  But that will be the people’s business to evolve the
kind of government they want.  The world community under the certain
organizations, NATO, UN, etc., UAR, could give defensive help.  However,
the US’s non-involvement as a sole entity in the conflict in Egypt, Libya,
or Syria is wise, contrary to what many conservative critics of the
isolationist position, and regardless of those who retain suspicions there
were clandestine US actions:  Without proof, it is only conjecture and

The chronic anti-socialism that has permeated the US for over a half
a century is fading as new generations become aware that life saving
social programs are actually and essentially socialistic and needed to
build and keep a society healthy. The de-stigmatizing of that term,
socialistic, is another topic that would take much discussion with
respect to its truth as there are heated debates between the libertarian/
conservative elements as opposed to progressive/liberals about the
virtue of socialism.

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By balkas, January 8, 2012 at 8:44 am Link to this comment

glad you said you do not justify wars.
about libya, syria, egypt, et al?
libya was not at war; it did not attack or invade any land nor was it attacked openly until a
few weeks after the uprising against its govt.
i did not approve of that armed rebellion. i thought then and think now that the best way
fight real or imagined wrong doings in any country is by forming a political party and by
i also expected that if the rebels in libya would win that intranational war, they’d set up a
to me, that is regression.
similar faith may await syria. it is ruled by baathists [socialists] and not theocrats. need i go
on and tell you what’s gonna happen also to syrians? and knowing much of europe and n.
america is ferociously anti socialist and anti baathist. tnx

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By terry p, January 8, 2012 at 7:16 am Link to this comment
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By balkas, January 7 at 9:55 am


Ninties huh. wow:?)



I wrote the above comment, albeit a very short to say thanks for your reply to my question ” Talmudniks?”, but it was moderated for some reason.

Now, this being later with new facts out, I have one other question. How old are you:?)

You know, the idea of Obama and Sen. Claire McCaskill using weapons sales to a country in that particular region is like job security for our Military complex. The drivel they give to their constituents is that it will preserve their jobs - which is ever more dependent on that kind of war based economy.

The point of war in the past was dependent upon convincing the population to fight. Now, there is a new technology that can actually do the killing. People can now enjoy building weapons while making a good living and feel patriotic at the same time while never getting their hands dirty. The butchers are sitting behind a computer screen in a military computer room controlling drones on any foreign soil with top secret orders to kill. It is only a mater of time till the wizards(executive Wall Street dictators) will have that capability on their own desk top computer.

I believe that our elected POTUS is no longer in control. Wall Street, which depends on the military, took over at sometime in the past (I think officially in 1913 through the federal reserve Act).

So, while war, which you guys debate the possible origins of 400,000 k years or so ago, rages on in the secrecy of market manipulated short sales and banking maneuvers made possible only by access the speediest super computers. It is now our wall street controlled government controlled daily bailouts in the supposed private monopoly owned stock market.

Now, the idea of a vote in these rigged elections making a difference or initiating change is ludicrous. But, vote. They dicks might listen to your opinion at the polls.

The only possible difference one of the .99% can make, in today’s political climate, is to contribute to the Occupations in some way. Showing up @ an occupation near you would help. But the next POTUS has already been decided by the dicks of wall street - in secrecy of course.


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By ardee, January 8, 2012 at 6:33 am Link to this comment

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  RD: But people of conscience, and true patriots must note the people Obama placed in office, the crooks and liars who helped crash our economy. That wasn’t Bush that was your hero.

Thank you for our daily dose of True Patriotism.

Obama placed in office “the crooks” who crashed our economy? What a doltish remark.

Trashing the economy happened long before Obama was on the scene. Get your history right - it’s barely five years ago that the present mess began to happen.

Your ‘head up your rectum’ political loyalties have become so boringly fanatical that you have lost any ability to read and interpret the remarks of others. I suggest you get an actual adult to read my original response to you and interpret it. Moron!

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By johncp, January 8, 2012 at 6:19 am Link to this comment

Not voting is also available as an option.  I’ve concluded that non-voting is my best choice.  To vote for Obama, helping him to win, will simply increase his margin of victory, and allow him to interpret his victory as a vindication of his politics.  A lady in this list, wrote that she thought that Hillary received 50% of the dem. vote.  I don’t have the numbers handy, but I suspect that’s way off the mark.  I suspect, that Hillary received a bit more than half of the democratic vote, perhaps as high as 55%.  Her win against Obama, in the popular vote, by a very slim margin, gives strength to my suspicion.  Say what you will, the idea of delegates and super delegates, having the last say, even against a majority of the “people’s” vote, favoring a different candidate, smacks of republicanism.

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By Shenonymous, January 7, 2012 at 11:44 pm Link to this comment

No, balkas, I was not saying wars are justified, then or now, US’s
or any other’s.  You have missed what I was saying. 

But if the US justifies its wars, and it is too obvious that it does, it is
merely one among all that have ever gone to war as do all of those
who go to war now, and they all create and have created justification
to do so.  We should look to Libya and Syria today for perfect examples
of a rebellious war against oppression, are these justified?  In contrast,
is imperialism ever justified, as we look to Japan and Germany and the
US in Iraq and 19th century France, Great Britain in India or Southeast
Asia for imperial reasons?  Doesn’t morality say if they were or not? 
But then we would be compelled to discuss that very murky subject,

The content of this article is journalistically too simplified to give glib
and unreferenced answers to a topic that has the history of the world,
of humankind involved.  It has only headliner value for a venue such as
a blog.  It would seem that the morality of war, which would credential
any justification for war, is relative.  And that your criticism of the US is
provincial at best, arrogantly provincial at worst.

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By balkas, January 7, 2012 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

i am not sure that our past behavior must s’mhow compel us to keep doing the same thing.
now, i am not talking about an individual whose brain structure is s’mhow injured or malfunctions; such of child
banging his head against a wall or a serial killer who can’t stop killing people—i am talking about group behavior;
such as a tribe of 5 k people or a clan consisting of, say, 10, 20, or 30 families.
and i am not denying that an odd family may have behaved 40 k years ago violently towards another family or a clan
against another clan or a tribe against another tribe.
we do not know the causes for such clashes. some of the causes for inter-tribal or inter-clan warfare may have been
insane behavior by an insane person, theft, rape, insults, etc., but we cannot ever know the causes.
i think you were justifying present usa wars on the grounds on not only that warfare is a natural event [instinctive] but
also—since everybody waged wars in the past—it justifies all u.s wars!
and who can prove you wrong?

but we do know why sargon the great, napoleon, alexander the great, peter the great, hitler, obama, darius, caesar
waged wars—and don’t know why and how many times some clans or tribes fought over the last 50 k years other
groups of people.
that’s the difference that makes an enormous difference.
sorry, shenon, but i understood what you are trying to say or make us believe; that u.s wars are justified because [and
church agrees with this] warfare is ok by god and nature. it’s god’s will, right???? and god bless america!

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By Shenonymous, January 7, 2012 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

As a long time and professional scholar, I did not make up the
history of warring tribes, balkas.  It is from tangible evidence. 
They were at it long before 6000 years ago.  You might read up
on it yourself.  If you are able to go to and
These are simply written for non-academics, but give a succinct
account that are interesting enough for beginning students, and/or
get the book, The Origins of War: From the Stone Age to Alexander
the Great
by Arther Ferrill and article, Neolitic Wars, same
author, might help you get up to speed on prehistoric warfare. But,
War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage by
Lawrence Keeley is downright riveting!

Far as my ejumakashun goes, I learned that warfare did not get started
on a large scale until the Aurignacian period which was an archaeological
culture of the Upper Palaeolithic, the European and southwest Asia
regions that lasted from about 45,000 bc to 35,000 bc

But while this is fascinating, it was not the point.  Did you miss the point
entirely?  I think you did.

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By balkas, January 7, 2012 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

the massacres in europe may have not constituted a conquest. and i do not think anyone
would ever know the causative factors for the massacre you mentioned. and without
knowing the causes for it, we cannot learn anything from this incident.
i seriously doubt that wars of aggression and in order to wrest land from other people or
later to subjugate the conquerees, is solely instinctive; i.e., imbedded in our genes.
environment, learning, linguistic environment, illusion, delusion i think play much greater
role in all of our behavior [and not just in belicosity] than instinct.

the first theory, us being instinctively aggressive, conquering, etc., leads to hopelessness,
impossibility of ever finding a solution; the second, wether true or not, at least leaves us
with some hope that we can learn not wage wars and do all these ills to one another.

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By balkas, January 7, 2012 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

shenon, about the age? i was joking. actually i lie about my age; hoping people would treat me better if i tell them i am ninety y o.
and i did say i am not happy about china’s industrialization and emissions of carbon that it causes.
i strongly wish china and many lands would stick to a more pastoral life. but i also understand that if they think that they must
industrialize and thus build own armaments so that they would not end up like the palestinians, chechens, kosovars, basque, irish,
kurds, lakotahs, apaches, armenians, libyians.

as for wars of conquest, historians tell us that that they had been institutionalized just ca 6k y ago.

we have no records of how our ancestors behaved regarding [non]conquest before city sates had been established in sumer ca 7 k
years ago. it seems or i suggest that the idea of conquest arose only after said establishment.

i suggest that for millennia before the establishment of city states, a clan, a tribe had not waged wars of conquest of a
neighboring or far away clan or tribe.
for one thing, there were so few of us while we were in afrika. at around 50k years ago, when our black ancestors first dared cross
into asia, there may have been less than a million of us.
there was enough land, holy water and food for everyone. we had lots of fruit, berries, nuts, snakes, snails, mushrooms, venison,
ants, worms, fish to eat; there was no need to fret about the next day or wage wars.
spear was probably invented for only one purpose: to catch fish or slay game. our ancestors were, incapable, i think, of such a
thought as conquering, slaying other people.
and for a clan to stay at inner peace, it had to have had an idyllicaly egalitarian structure of society. in such a society, elders wld
have functioned as tutors and guides and not as masters. else, i assert, there would have blood baths and eventual evanescence of
an entire tribe.
it’s clero-noble class’ misteachings that have portrayed and still portray people as evil, uncivilized, uncaring, prone to savagery,
disorder, etc.
true, we became that, but only because people accepted such misteachings as true. i do not agree with clero-noble teachings.

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Ninties huh. wow:?)


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By Shenonymous, January 7, 2012 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

You dodge around, balkas, and surely you are not in your nineties!
If you are, then wisdom of the years appears to have evaded you. 
Women do not, as a rule, discuss age, ever.  Those who do have
nothing else better to concern themselves with.  I always say I am
as old as the universe and leave it at that. Not to worry, dearoldheart,
you haven’t made yourself any more interesting beyond being a TD

You might have a point about ‘merika/n EU emitting more carbons in
the last 100 years, but edging more and more into capitalism, China is
making up for lost time as you seem, reluctantly, to have observed, and
actually, though, has surpassed the US and EU.  No blame if the goal is to
build a military defense (hardly needed by China to “abide” on the planet
with the same argument for Iran and No. Korea).  When thinking about
human destruction, no one can ignore Hiroshima or Nagasaki.  And there
are some cogent thinkers on the nature of war who thought MacArthur
was subhuman from his sangfroid opinion about the use of nuclear
weapons.  Do take notice he was not heeded…yet.  I do not know what
Truman wanted or did not want to do. 

As far as Native Americans, it is truly a sad thing what happened to
them in the 19th and 20th centuries here.  I do not think any form of
enslavement or ghettoizing is humane or moral.  But enslavement or
conquering a people is almost as old as are human, and I do not forget
the history that tells how tribes of humans conquer and take over the
lands of others from prehistoric times.  In ancient military history,
anthropologists, archaeologists, and historians still debate precisely
when man first ventured into the abysmal realm of warfare.  Evidence
shows that our earliest human ancestors certainly beat each other to
death in order to protect their hunting grounds… and women, but the
question of when humans organized into military units and waged war
to conquer lands is not yet precisely known. Those interested should
seek out military histories of the world.

Many examples of ancient weaponry such as simple spears and clubs
have been discovered to have come into common use shortly after our
species evolved onto the scene some three million years ago.  After that,
more complex spears are seen to have been in use some 400,000 years
ago and bows first appeared on the scene about 60,000 years ago.  Cave
paintings from this time period show hunting scenes but don’t illustrate
warring men. What could be considered true organized warfare had to
take agriculture on a scale large enough where the population was able
to support engaging large numbers of armed men in battle.

This kind of organized violence takes human history to about 12,000 to
20,000 years ago.  Cave paintings found in Spain depicts battle scenes
with groups of archers fighting in rows clearly showing special-dressed
leaders in front.  The first prehistoric battle on record took place on the
Nile near the Egypt-Sudan border, although there is some debate about
it being the first.  Later history, on a 7,500 year old site called the
Talheim Death Pit, archaeologists believe a rival tribe was massacred. 
Found were some 34 people bound and post-mortem investigation
showed they were all killed by a blow to the left temple. This site, located
in Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany, is one of the earliest signs of warfare
in Neolithic Europe.

My point is there is a huge library and specimens of evidence that the
impulse for conquest is a natural instinct in humankind.  And while we
have developed morals about this savagery, and we deplore our history,
it is characteristic of our species the world over (just as territorial
hostilities are inbred among almost all animals).  It is hard for most to
fathom that evolution is slower than we think.

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By balkas, January 7, 2012 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

shenon, i am not after you; you’re probably in you thirties and me in the nineties; so, don’t get any ideas about
shenon, dear, hadn’t europe/n.america been emitting 5, 10, or 20 times [or more] carbons over the last
century than china?
and doesn’t an american emit even today at least twice as much carbons as a chinese?

how about afrika? how much carbon emits an afrikan? true, i am not happy that chinese are now trying to
catch up with usa, but how can one blame anyone for trying to build military defenses in order to just abide on
this planet.

i do not think that chinese are that much dumb not have espied that no cult or THOUGHT tolerates another
and if one thinks that USA THOUGHT would not use—if it could do so safely—even n-weapons in order to
destroy all THOUGHTS that differ from the american THOUGHT, one is mistaken.
think of hiroshima and nagasaki. think of mcarthur wanting to use nukes against chinese in ‘51
however, truman wanted to do that, too, but got cold feet.
think of the american indigenes. think of numerous wars waged by usa and the fact that it had not been
peaceful even for an hour let alone a day or year. tnx

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By IMax, January 7, 2012 at 11:20 am Link to this comment


If my read on ardee’s comments are correct, you may have misread his position.

President Obama did fill his administration with several men and woman from positions within the Wall Street sector.  The same men and woman many here, including Bob Scheer, point toward in blame, at least in part, for the problems which lead to the 2008 financial collapse.

Ardee’s point, if I understand correctly, is not that Obama caused the current recession, but that the president hired many of those who had previously had a hand in the situation. - Let us not ignore the fact that candidate Obama took-in a great deal of money from “Wall Street” financiers for his campaign for president.

I personalty detest the loathsome fool known as ardee. But even a fool can be correct from time to time.

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By balkas, January 7, 2012 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

talmudniks follow talmud. talmund had been
written by rabbis; compares with mein kampf in
some aspects of the reality. tnx

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By Lafayette, January 7, 2012 at 9:48 am Link to this comment


RD: But people of conscience, and true patriots must note the people Obama placed in office, the crooks and liars who helped crash our economy. That wasn’t Bush that was your hero.

Thank you for our daily dose of True Patriotism.

Obama placed in office “the crooks” who crashed our economy? What a doltish remark.

Trashing the economy happened long before Obama was on the scene. Get your history right - it’s barely five years ago that the present mess began to happen.

People must also see that Obama has been a weak and incompetent President, unable to thwart the GOP or even rally his own party.

Yes, we the sheeple, the politically apathetic grassroots stayed away from the midterms (only 48% of American voters went to the polls) and the troglodytes took over Congress.

So it is obviously ALL OBAMA’s FAULT because he’s an incompetent PotUS who could not walk on water and pull us out of the worst recession in 80 years.

Lest we forget: It took Roosevelt a decade of trying and WW2 to get us out of the Great Depression.

Not a great history student were you, RD ...

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By omop, January 7, 2012 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

Mr. Scheer que passa?

Isn’t it the American Way anymore to follow the axiom of “bidness is
bidness” ?

And that now SA women are allowed to drive cars at the instigation of

Fair exchange of commerce and democracy tanks to Barak et amies.

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By Synonymos, January 7, 2012 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

Comment #12345 by terry p on 1/07 at 7:23 am

balkas, January 5 at 7:34 am



By heavyrunner, January 5 at 8:29 am

It is really weird how taboo investigations or I should say none-investigations of 911 are for journalists. Even Wikileaks will not touch the subject.

Do you think the Banksters buried the secrets and rushed us to war, yet again?


By DonSchneider, January 5 at 11:21 am

You better get vaccinated for that little phlegm problem. This year promises much exposure. New choices causes all kinds of allergic reactions. We need more choices. Third and forth is looking better all the time.

Some advocates @ the occupations are calling for a complete overhaul(Constitutional Convention). I hope we can just tweak the banking system by nationalizing the central banks along with the private banks that are too big to jail. Nationalizing the banks is a must and has to be the first order of business in order to do the really important stuff. I hope we can tweak the our defense department and shut down the offensiveness but the Central banks control our defense. I hope we concentrate on tweaking the environment which is probably the single most important problem but it depends upon getting control of the Central banks. I hope the health care/insurance system are tweaked and regulated but there again the banksters or invested in those monopolies which brings monopolies to mind! I hope the education system is made accessible to all. We need more representation instead of the winner take all bullshit!! We need internet freedom! On second thought maybe we would be better off with a complete brand spanking new system:?/ That remains to be seen as the Occupations are planning to be with us as we make our decisions for choosing the next POTUS. I’m excited and somewhat optimistic!

About the New Obama strategy of streamlining the military: Is it going to be a protege of Wall Street .01%ers? Will it be a military fashioned by an Orwellian imagination consisting of Data controlled security and world wide patriotic drone attacks on defenselessness including targets located inside the borders of the USA? We need to tweak that!!


PS:Read “The Web of Debt” by Ellen Brown

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By Shenonymous, January 7, 2012 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

Seems that the “click here” in my previous comment for the
information about Africa is considered a spammed site so it
won’t allow the link.  My apologies as there was no indication
or warning that it was a censored site.  I will try to post it here
if you are interested in the information there, piece the two
parts with no blank space between together in your browser
and it will take you there. 

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By Shenonymous, January 7, 2012 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

Nearly 24 million people were unemployed in the EU-27 (European
Union) in 2011 click here.

Carbon emissions are not caused entirely by the United States.  Total
emissions is highest in China significantly more than the US with 18
other countries following the US with the highest in the world click here

Seems like Africa would be more of a participant in the global warming
crisis if the 200 million population had not been held back by throat
cutting tyrants and marauding murdering oppressive regimes ) click here
and would still be choking anyway while they were doing all that

So is it shrunken-minded hatred of the US that speaks out of balkas’s
derriere via his computer keys (a neat trick LOL)?  By the way balkas, of
what country are you a citizen?

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By IMax, January 7, 2012 at 7:45 am Link to this comment


The statistical data which leads me to say that roughly 15% of democratic voters tend to be diehard Obama supporters, and your data on how the majority of Americans still prefer Obama to the alternatives, can live side by side. - Although you will also find many credible polls which indicate Romney beating out Obama if the election were held today.

You ask: “Are the people who comment here representative of today’s Left?”

I think not. I believe the bulk of those commenting on this site today are those of the farthest, most radical, left.  Most democratic voters are a great deal more moderate, far less filled with hate, fear, and antipathy toward others views and lifestyles.  I wouldn’t go so far as you do in believing everyone here must be stupid for seeings things differently.

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By balkas, January 7, 2012 at 7:24 am Link to this comment

it seems to me that the onepercenters, by creating ever
greater unemployment, are doing a lot to lessen the
carbon emission and thus warming.
the less money in pockets of americans, the less they use
and i think entire afrika dances in joy over that prospect.
and every time i read that that’s happening also in
europe, i open my bottle and celebrate!
ok, i am now off to my phantacy basement!

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By Elizabethrose, January 7, 2012 at 3:46 am Link to this comment
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‘It’s premature to assume Obama will win by default.’

Just maybe its premature to believe he will even be on the ballot.

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By drbhelthi, January 7, 2012 at 2:08 am Link to this comment

“ - - are among the few rational voices heard here on this thread by my appraisal.” “What is truly, really, terrifying is the stupidity of the people who comment here.”

Certanly.  Your appraisal.

As equally specious as your 37 points. 

An excellent example of stupidity profound.

Your post is useful in that you identify yourself with other shills.

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By Outraged, January 7, 2012 at 1:53 am Link to this comment

Re: ardee

Your comment:“People must also see that Obama has been a weak and incompetent President, unable to thwart the GOP or even rally his own party.”

That is not the case. I’ve posted a link to this article before. You can’t simply decide he’s incompetent, without validity. Additionally, calling him weak…..what do you mean by that, in what way is he weak?

From Wapo:
” in the end, the debt ceiling was lifted in return for $900 billion in discretionary spending cuts and the establishment of the trigger-backed supercommittee — a deal that ended up dragging federal budget policy far, far to the left.

The key here was that the supercommittee failed. That left two major events on the budgetary horizon: the spending trigger, which cuts $1 trillion from the budget, half of which comes from the Pentagon, and none of which comes from Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare beneficiaries, or assorted other programs for low-income Americans; and the scheduled expiration of the Bush tax cuts, which would raise taxes by almost $4 trillion.”

Be sure to check out the chart there.

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By terry p, January 6, 2012 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment
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Good article!

I wonder if we will have the freedom to vote come November at the rate Obama and the republicans are taking our our freedoms. We lost habeous Corpus and Posse Comitatus for a New Years gift. There is no place to avoid big brother internet surveillance. If you blow the whistle on a crime you could be held forever without charges thanks to the NDAA(National Defence Authorization Act)which still boggles my mind. Local law enforcement now use military drowns and other military equipment to spy on us and enforce ever changing new patriotic law the corporate state deems appropriate for our own citizens. We can’t protest without expecting some of this equipment to be used against us along with toxic chemicals.

This coming March 12th a new awakening is being promised by the Wall Street Occupation movements. Their original demand during the first Occupation at ‘Liberty Square’ was to nationalize our Central banking system the - Federal Reserve. That is still a must. It’s all about the distribution of money and or equal opportunities. I’m going to wait and see what kind of ideas come out between now and then for choosing our next leadership. There are many questions gone unanswered and many more questions to ask.

Hopefully, a huge occupation will be able to force the corporations back to the none living zombie stage of none person-hood. Then politicians will begin to listen to the people who actually put them in office.

However, people need to be educated about what it means for the Federal Reserve to be nationalized or changed from a weapon of the wealthy against the 99% to a public utility instead. It is now a privately owned cartel able to print our currency to buy the US bonds. It is to this private cartel that our taxes go instead of building our infrastructure and providing the welfare of the people…. examples of the welfare that could be a right range from education and healthcare to a legitimate law enforcement and government for all the people instead of a few corporate executives.

Obama made a statement a few days ago claiming that the economy was going to be one of the central issues. He said that the military complex was going to be redone. I’ve seen how his ideas morph into corporate profiting modes. He promised change. His promises seemed to be the only things that changed when he became president. Well, we need to get it across to him what we need since it has already been conceded that he will win the next election—nine months before the actual votes are to be cast. Single payer healthcare never was discussed after he was elected before. The banksters who ruined the economy actually set up camp in the white house as Obama’s Cabinet to make all the adjustments that lead to rewarding the crook banksters with bailouts while he punished the 99% with massive unemployment locally and world wide - a side affect of their wild unregulated gambling. And little has changed in their attitude. But, Obama makes still more promises if he’s reelected. It is rare that he keeps a promise.

Personally, I have plenty of time before November to listen to other arguments. I’ve got time to shop around and investigate and compare. I’d like to see the outcome of the Bradley Manning trials and get feed back. I’d like to see if Julian Assange will be extradited and if so how he is treated for only exposing the truth - which is his job as a journalist.


PS: read “The Web of Debt” by Ellen Brown. She will explain how we could solve the economical problems for the 99%ers.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 6, 2012 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment

What is truly, really, terrifying is the stupidity of the people who comment here. Are the people who comment here representative of today’s Left? God I hope not. We’ve had Leftist movements in this country, we’ve had the Old Left, the New Left, and now the Looney Left (Thanks to Lafayette for the suitable designation, I take back every nasty thing I’ve ever said about Lafayette… well? Not really, but Lafayette, Shenonymous [not a guy], and Leefeller are among the few rational voices heard here on this thread by my appraisal .)

Scheer in spite of his many counter productive diatribes directed at Obama grudgingly admits that Obama is the best alternative with any hope of being elected.

#1 - The National Defense Authorization Act does not allow this President or any future President the authority to indefinitely detain any American he chooses.

#2 - Obama does not torture.

#3 – The 15 Saudis and 4 others who perpetrated 9/11 were first and foremost affiliated with Al Queda. They were “jihadist fanatics” alienated from, and condemned as criminals by their countries of origin.

#4 – Israel will not select our next President.

#5 – Democrats do not plant[sic] to eliminate freedom.

#6 – “Robert Sheer buttresses the 9/11 myth by accepting the government’s version of
that day’s events apparently without any doubts or qualms. There are literally
hundreds of anomalies, untruths, lies, misrepresentations, failures, suspicious
behaviours, unanswered questions, and so on. The mysteries of many criminal
events of the past half century in America cry out for resolution. From JFK, MLK,
RFK, John Lennon Oklahoma City, WTC 1993, Waco, the 2000 election, and of
course 9/11. Perceived history is often false. This is a lurking disease in our
psyche…undiagnosed, untreated, uncured.”

The above comment reveals itself, no comment necessary.

#7 – Obama is not owned by the financial capitalists. (They dislike him.)

#8 – The convoluted assertion that only 15% of Democrats (Diehards) “support” Obama is absurd. According to the most recent polls Obama has a 7 point lead over his nearest Republican adversary and a double digit lead over others. This suggests that Obama does have the “support” of the majority of Americans. Yes Americans are dissatisfied with current realities in many respects (Primarily the economy) but the majority of Americans still prefer Obama to the alternatives.

#9 - The latest Polls show that Ron Paul is “supported” by 14% of voters.

#10 – Jill Stein has never received more than 21% of the vote in any election, (State and local.)

#11 - Carter is retired from politics, and he was hated by the Left Loonies of his day.

#12 - the Democrats did all the good they could in the face of Republican obstruction.

#13 - balkas wants every person who participates in govt. beat up by the media, not just the leaders of govt. tnx

#14 – Guaranteed, in 15 years we won’t attack Saudi Arabia.

(More below)

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By JDmysticDJ, January 6, 2012 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

(Loonies cont.)

#15 - Both Parties are not the same.

#16 - What happened to the economy was not planned; it was a “Miscalculation of some sort.”

#17 – Ron Paul is “sidelined” any other claim is wishful thinking. (He’s waiting on a side track for a steam locomotive to hitch him up while the bullet trains go rushing by.)

#18 – American voters can vote themselves out of this mess.

#19 -The “nutters” call it “something drastic going to happen.” i.e. the great TV dinner famine.

#20 – Now would be a bad time for Obama to lose; Obama losing would be a bad thing.

#21 – Rocky Anderson and Jill Stein are not alternatives with any viability at present.

#22 – A joyful life-fulfilling spirit? When was that exactly? I think I had a joyful life-fulfilling spirit once but I was very young then, I’m not sure, I don’t remember all the details.

#23 – Obama was not “placed” by the USCongress Reese Commission in 1954.

#24 – Obama is not a right-wing tool.



#27 – Congress does not suck from the Corporate tit.

#28 – gaylordcat is a weird name to call oneself.

#29 – “If our species takes a major hit that seriously threatens us with extinction, you can bet at that point things will change.” Hum…? Threatened with extinction? That would be something of a change. A lot more complicated than Obama’s piddly little change, but wait, isn’t mankind already inescapably doomed?

#30 – Actually it was mild mannered professionals who explained the fall of the Twin Towers.

#31 – algionfriddo you are not foolishly hopeful.

#32 – What’s a panopticon?

1.  high-surveillance prison: a prison with cell blocks situated around a central area, ensuring that prisoners could be viewed at all times.
Oh! I get it, sort of… I think…? maybe not.

#33 - Michael Calvin RN for Senate; Oh yeah! There you go.

#34 – From balkas - we are doomed! tnx

#35 – There is a third way… well there is no third way… but there could be… if only we had a third way…we need a third way… like Canada, Ay!

#36 – balkas has me salivating. tnx

#37 – Obama is not an insane puppet. Mortimer Snurd was an insane puppet. Ollie was pretty insane. Punch and Judy were kind of nuts. I can’t think of any other insane puppets. (Pinocchio had an insane nose.)

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By msgmi, January 6, 2012 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment
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Nicolas Cage and the POTUS should do a sequel to the Lord of War, Middle East-style: Friends foreever and how the other one ends up t5hrown under the bus.

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By gerard, January 6, 2012 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

My feeling is that a lot of this demonizing of Obama is due to the fact that people simply do not want to
believe that virtually all politicians have sold out
to the military/industsrial complex and energy and banking because candidates can’t get elected and reelected without tremendous sums of money to spend on media attention. Then, after being elected, they can’t get any “benefits” for themselves and their constituents without a reliable deep-pockets funding source—which again would be the MIC because that’s one of the few big money-earners we have these days.  That, of course, means more and better wars so that the MIC won’t go bankrupt. 
  In order to accept this immoral routine, the citizens have to be scared half to death—of outside enemies or inside enemies.  It is easier to scare ignorant and fearful people than otherwise; hence poor public information, plus surveillance, threats, even up to and including the recently legalized “extraordiary rendition” procedures for American citizens at home or abroad.
  Upping the ante on fear also means the ante on courage has to be upped. Necessity is the mother of
change.  Support OWS, and keep it peaceful!

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By JohnSwims, January 6, 2012 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

America’s insane leaders and politicians use war and the Military-Industrial Complex to increase their wealth and power, continuing their insanity and megalomania, a delusional disorder.

The American Government is broken and most politicians are insane puppets to the insane billionaires, multiple millionaires and their families, corporations and their Military Industrial Complex.

Americans are waking up and will not accept government by the insane Democrats or Republicans any longer. Obama, the insane puppet.

The 3rd Parties must stop their childish quibbling and unite to replace the rule of America by the insane Democrats and Republicans.

The 2012 American Spring movements will include Occupy the White House or Occupy Congress.  The next President will be selected by the 99% of Americans!

The Democrats and Republicans will be jobless in 2012 just as other puppets to the insane, corrupt 1%‘ers.

Iran: Over 99% of Iranians have no interests in war, nuclear weapons and fighting anyone. They, just like most Americans just want to work, provide for their families, have a few extras, have some fun and live. I worked in Iran for over a year and most Iranians I met were such people.


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By ardee, January 6, 2012 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

Lafayette, January 5 at 11:52 pm

Yes indeed the economic mess was indeed handed to Obama as you note ( ad infinitum). As were our sick foreign policies as well.

But people of conscience, and true patriots must note the people Obama placed in office, the crooks and liars who helped crash our economy. That wasn’t Bush that was your hero.

People must also see that Obama has been a weak and incompetent President, unable to thwart the GOP or even rally his own party.

None so blind as those who will not see. Your blind loyalty does neither your repute nor this nation any good.

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By michael8000, January 6, 2012 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment
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How many Nobel Peace Prize laureates have, through their direct orders, killed babies in war-torn countries with bombs? And this man is the best option for US President in 2012? Why is it getting so hot, and what am I doing in this small basket?

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By madisolation, January 6, 2012 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

I wouldn’t vote for anyone the DNC or RNC put out there, but really, Robert Scheer: is it against the law for a Democrat to run against Obama? You write:
“Barack Obama will be re-elected not as a vindication of his policies but because the Republicans are incapable of providing a reasonable challenge to his flawed performance.”
Fair is fair, and the cowardly Democrats are also incapable of providing a reasonable challenge (although “reasonable” isn’t a word that can be applied to politicians of either party).

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By bpawk, January 6, 2012 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

If Truthdig really wants to dig for the truth, why don’t you interview other alternate parties who would like to run against or who have attempted to run against, the elite parties? For example, Ralph Nader, other people in the Green party, independents making a difference in their local community ... let’s hear what they would like to do.  There definitely is a vacuum waiting to be filled, judging by the despondent remarks of the thousands of ‘commenters’ of various articles in main stream media newspapers ...

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By balkas, January 6, 2012 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

more on the pavlovization?
did you guys know that europeans of centuries ago [don’t know much about asians] had been much
less pavloved than europeans and americans are today?
just in my home town, ‘rubes’ or lesser-valued people, rose up at least three times in arms against
‘nobles’ of the town.
however, king would send his army in and the rebellions would be put out; leaders of the rebellions
put to death; usually by hanging in towns main piazza!
there had been also many rural uprising; involving often thousands of peasants; armed with just
bats, knives, spades, pitch forks, and the like.

these rebels knew that pleading with or complaining to church, nobles would not change the
THINKING of the clero-noble class of low life.
and, seems to me, so does OWS.
it does not have to rise up in arms. and i hope it never does; army, cia, fbi, city police, 30 million
rabid americans is just to much to defeat militarily or by violence.

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By balkas, January 6, 2012 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

americans have been pavloved. but uze guyz are not alone in this. remember ww1? it was started and waged
for 4 yrs by the same thinking one-percenters as we find in u.s—and for at least 3 centuries.
it was the THOUGHT that did it!! peasants had no say, but many thought they had a say. that’s the way it had
been in u.s since at least 3 centuries.
but, nevertheless, peasants in italy, japan, germany still in pavlov’s trance in ‘39 and in love with the
THOUGHT [the same THOUGHT AS IN USA] go on and begin warfare and to perp crimes against humanities;
however, this time around, worse than ever.
and germans, italians, japanese still for and the same THOUGHT as possibly 95% of americans.
btw, would nato exists, if most european lands did not think exactly as americans do! tnx

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By bpawk, January 6, 2012 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

This writer is sticking to the same old tired “lesser of two evils” argument when he says:

“Barack Obama will be re-elected not as a vindication of his policies but because the Republicans are incapable of providing a reasonable challenge to his flawed performance… a Republican presidential victor… would do far less to challenge the kleptocracy of corporate-dominated governance…”

There is a third way that would get people excited about politics instead of voting for parties that represent the elites - a social democratic party like the Greens and/or Ralph Nader who has a proven track record of standing up for people’s rights ... Unless you want more of the same, let’s get the ball rolling for the 99% - if there ever was a time, it is now. Look to other democracies for inspiration (i.e. Canada’s left-leaning NDP, who is now the official opposition ...)

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By balkas, January 6, 2012 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

consider this fact, would you please?
Dems-Repubs is not a political party—it is a movement. it is of the and for the THOUGHT or the SYSTEM. and the THOUGHT appears a
constant. as for the u.s [or any] constitution, best way to understand it is not to understand even one passage in it. i know i don’t and i
do not feel stupid because i cannot understand anything in it.
the above-said movement or the THOUGHT has a political branch.
the function of the politics in u.s is to show up and not tell. but make sure you dress nice, wear an expensive watch, jewelry, put on
lipstick/dazzling smile/teeth; eyebrows, hair done immaculately, etc. and , of course, don’t forget the verbal brilliance!!
it’s really a show business.
all the vital decisions have been made decades or even couple of centuries ago.
but it’s the show business, seeming anger, disputes, polemics, rebuttals, stupidity attacks, etc., which people like—and not just in u.s.

ron paul is the MOVEMENTPOLITICALPARTY. as soon as he he get’s elected or if he get’s the presidency, THE MOVEMENTPOLITICALPARTY
IS GONE and ron accepts, just like obama has, one and the only THOUGHT.
[did you think the THOUGHT did not know this? c’mon, now, you did, didn’t you?

rocky anderson heads a political party, the Justice Party. but how about the THOUGHT? how much of it does he retain or would he also—
once elected—accept all of IT: the root of all evil u.s does to own people and ‘aliens’?

is it a fact that cia, fbi, police, and the army echelons are there to also protect the THOUGHT and even from any presidential effort to
change it even an iota?

now the question arises, how many members of security forces would call for removal of a prez from office if he would start changing
things? tnx bozhidar balkas, vancouver

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By Michael Cavlan RN, January 6, 2012 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

It is easy to complain about Obama. Gets nothing done, does not challenge the powers that be (that are destroying democracy).

Much more difficult but also much more effective is to help the political resistance developing in this country.

Rocky Anderson and the Justice Party for president

I look forward to seeing TruthDig allowing stories and authors who are promoting this campaign.

Michael Cavlan
Candidate US Senate
Minnesota Open Progressives

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By DonSchneider, January 6, 2012 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

DR ZING, old man Schneider is old enough to be your father, but lucky enough not
to be.  And for Snarky ? Best to keep your mouth closed and appear a fool than
open it and remove all doubt !  Punctuation for the vernacular ? Stuff your silly
rules !  I blow my nose in your general direction and fart upwind of you ! Your
mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries, which is probably
your excuse for ending up a silly wiper of other peoples bottoms. Take my name
in vain again and I shall taunt you a second time !  I send your way the class two
curse ......that the next time you should kneel to pray you find the fleas of a
thousand camels and the hungry deer ticks from a thousand dying Maine moose
infesting your arm pits and nether regions !

Mo Tea Sir troll ?

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By sallysense, January 6, 2012 at 7:32 am Link to this comment

(for robert scheer’s two articles
both this week and/or last week)...

a president who couldn’t do the job…
as his own personal ambitions…
rendered his conscience too inoperable!...

(and of all the top party candidates…
the one most conscientious…
is ron paul)...

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By Lafayette, January 6, 2012 at 12:52 am Link to this comment


Barack Obama will be re-elected not as a vindication of his policies but because the Republicans are incapable of providing a reasonable challenge to his flawed performance.

Instead of bitching-in-a-blog, RS, why not show us how BO & Co were supposed to achieve your elevated expectations.

With the greatest recession in 80 years handed to him on a platter by Lead-head and we, the sheeple, who elected apathetically the T-Party (T for Troglodyte) into control of the HofR, just what reasonable expectations should we have had of Obama? (Key word: reasonable.)

Such editorial slants are looking for a scapegoat ... which is tantamount to hack journalism. It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.

Worse yet, such negativism only helps to elect a Mitt Romney. Hey, what a field-day that will be for journalistic Moaning ‘n Groaning!

Way to go!

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I’ll be voting for Obama unless a truly VIABLE liberal alternative presents itself.  The GOBP candidates are NOT an option.  I can only hope that a 2nd term Presidency will allow Obama to take a more progressive course knowing he will not be up for election in 2016.  I don’t EXPECT that, but I am, perhaps foolishly, hopeful.

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D.R. Zing:
A very credible 911 Truth website is: Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (
They calmly dismantle the “official” explanation of how the three Trade Center Towers fell (at the speed and acceleration of gravity).
These architects are not radicals, they are mild mannered professionals who could not live with such blatant lies and impossible explanations. 
I dare you to watch their one hour presentation.  I would bet you’d become a 911 “Truther” after that.

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By D.R. Zing, January 5, 2012 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment

Hi gerard,

I think you are correct.  We have approximately 40 years to reduce
our population. I believe, correct me if I’m wrong, that the UN has
predicted our population will be somewhere around thirteen billion by
2050, at which point there simply will not be enough food and water
to support the population.  Barring any significant change, your
prediction is only a bit inaccurate.  Hundreds of millions perhaps
even billions will die of starvation and thirst.

But that doesn’t mean it will happen. Catastrophes can be averted and
we may just dodge this one.

And if we don’t, well, even then, take heart.  If our species takes a
major hit that seriously threatens us with extinction, you can bet at
that point things will change. It might take awhile, but it will

And at that point you can bet scholars will be poring over ideas and
thoughts that were expressed in the years leading up to the
catastrophe, at which point many enlightening ideas expressed on this
website and many other places will be rediscovered and regarded with
awe and respected for their prescience. 

Few problems are intractable over the long run; they just might
outlive those of us here now. The beauty of ideas is they live for
generations. Keep up the good fight and the good ideas. Your great,
great grandchildren may one day live by them.

Dig peace. Don’t bury it.


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By gerard, January 5, 2012 at 6:27 pm Link to this comment

joegod:  Why don’t more people have a problem with this (military/industrial complex, otherwise known as slavery to militarism)?

Because 1. Americans are habitually belligerent and don’t realize it.
Because 2. They think America is superlative and deserves to dominate the world.
Because 3. They don’t understand other cultures and are afraid of what they don’t understand.
Because 4. They refuse to admit their ignorance.
Because 5. They have more money and power than any other nation in the world.
Because 6. They lack imagination which is essential in working through problems to get to creative solutions. They fear change of any kind.
Because 7. Because in order to see things in perspective, one has to get outside one’s own skin and open one’s mind—which Americans are constantly either persuaded or encouraged not to do, by being told that they are unpatriotic if they advocate change.
  P.S.  Of course not all Americans are like this, but a majority carry one or more of these traits as though it represents the word of God.  One has to either get it from reading what others say, or hear it from somebody from another country or culture who is in a position to have experienced the differences. Coming from a native, it sounds like some kind of sour grapes or an ax to grind.
  That’s one reason things have gotten as bad as they are here. That’s why protesters are regarded as “nuts”. That’s why police are so ready to use tear gas on them.  That’s why there’s almost no difference now between Republicans and Democrats, and founding a third party is next to impossible.
  I sincerely hope to be proven wrong—and soon, because if I am right, there is little hope that we will be able to make necessary changes in time to avoid real misery for millions.

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By D.R. Zing, January 5, 2012 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

Hmm.  Feeling a little snarky tonight. After reading through the
comments, here’s my two bits:

* I agree it’s a bit early to count out Ron Paul. The man is
resourceful. His followers are fanatical in their dedication. Never
count a man out who can inspire others to work for free. 

* For the folks who provide links to 911 conspiracy websites:  All
these sites look like they were designed by a color blind fourteen-
year-old on acid.  If you want to be taken seriously, start with
looking at your websites and determining if Ray Charles could do a
better job at the design.  Sheesh.

* DonSchneider, if you want to come across as a haughty intellectual,
you probably want to Google punctuation rules, unless of course you
are a semi-literate teenager and happy to come across as one. 

Enough snarkiness.  I really liked what several people said, even in
opposition to one another: Munky, Gaupo, Shenonymous, Ceunei,
prisnersdilema,  race_to_the_bottom, IMax and more—all good stuff.
You guys are what make TruthDig a great website.

As for the article itself, it hits the mark. We are nuts to be
selling weapons to the Saudis.  They despise us as vile but use their
money to keep us close; they buy us like whores.  Those jet fighters
could one day be shooting down American planes. We’re nuts to be
selling weapons to the Saudis. 

Gotta give Obama credit, though. He’s the master of patting you on
the back while kneeing you in the balls. He sells those jets to the
Saudis and then makes a speech planning to cut military spending. 
He’s trying to build his base—even if they are a bit sore at
the rough treatment they’ve received the last three years. 

Dig peace. Don’t bury it.


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By gaylordcat, January 5, 2012 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment

We could elect God to be president and NOTHING would change. Obama may have sold out, but so has every president president since Reagan, and I’m not sure about him.

We are in the clutches of corporations and Wall Street, and if any president does not play ball with them, he/she will face horrible consequences. Losing an election will be the best thing that can happen to them.

And, I dare say, we, the people, cannot do anything to stop it because our lives are in their clutches also. We are not a free nation anymore; we are only allowed to live as long as we don’t threaten the absolute power in this nation.

Robert Scheer hates Obama because he sold out, but I hope he is aware that the next president from either party will do the same or his/her administration will accomplish nothing because Congress, to the person, sucks eagerly from the corporate tit; they will never give up their “nourishment.”

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By flaco, January 5, 2012 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

How long will voting be seen as a solution?

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By Textynn, January 5, 2012 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment
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We can all vote third party like our country / LIVES depend on it. WHY?????? Because it does.  Obama works for the OnePercent.  Even voting for him by default is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

We cannot continually be forced to vote for one of the two heads of the OnePercent Party because we fear one head.  That is illogical and puts us in a never ending loop of helplessness.  It is the equivalent of the old joke, “How do you keep a moron busy?.....Put him in a round room and tell them to stand in the corner.”

If people are going to continually allow themselves to be forced to play a no win game, the results will be idiot inbred billionaires, that think of people as nothing more than a commodity to dispose of at will, running everything and taking over our country and handing it and our futures over to themselves, the international elite.




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By joegod, January 5, 2012 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
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I am growing increasingly disturbed that this is one of the very few ways it
seems our government can help create jobs or generate cash flow. Why don’t
more people have a problem with this?

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By Textynn, January 5, 2012 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment
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“Barack Obama will be re-elected not as a vindication of his policies but because the Republicans are incapable of providing a reasonable challenge to his flawed performance. “

this is not a mistake.  ONly the most fringe, out of the loop Repub dim wits don’t get that Obama is a right wing tool… defusing democratic power and strength and confusing liberal institutions for the most part.  Four more years of Bush voted in by Bush haters.  It was and is genius. 

The real players, the real Alpha dinosaurs of the right wing are happy to let the fools of their party keep up the guise of the two party scam, while Obama serves them better than any Repub Pres ever could. 

The one Percent put Obama in and there he will stay while they control what was once the people’s government.

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By DonSchneider, January 5, 2012 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

Ardee, I have said everything that needed to be said from my perspective. If you
need to hear more, think about why that might be so !

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By ardee, January 5, 2012 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

DonSchneider, January 5 at 11:21 am

Have you anything to say? Anything at all really.

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By ardee, January 5, 2012 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, January 5 at 8:45 am

I know you are aware of the old saw about insanity defined as doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results. Yet isn’t that the very definition of your position regarding voting only for democrats?

If you offer no choice then you have, perhaps, an obligation to inform how you expect a second Obama term to differ from his first. Same corporate stooge, same torturer, next war looming, more great speeches and more lack of action on all those pretty words.

Can you give a small dissertation on exactly how you would reform your beloved party? At least, in voting outside the box, one makes it clear that there are folks here who refuse the fascist rule of the corporation, the inanity of the Duopoly Party and who understand that change requires effort, and patience. Above all change requires change in thinking and acting. You are far too resigned to the same old same old.

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By drbhelthi, January 5, 2012 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

Obama was carefully placed, as a presidential candidate, by the evil persons and progeny exposed by the report of the Reese Committee of the USCongress, 1954. 

Had a racial vote not elected “Obama”, the GHWBushSr entourage would have punched the two necessary digits and elected him via their programmed voting machines.  He has done precisely what he was placed to do.  He has delivered oratories that pleased the 99%, while signing off on legislation that pleased the “1%”, which in reality is a small fraction of 1%.  He continues to fulfill his assignment by the evil beings, who want to enslave 99.9999% of the world´s population, after decreasing it by a very large percentage.  The evil beings, who pay no income tax, behind the plan were revealed by the report of the Reese Committee of the U.S. Congress, 1954.

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By DonSchneider, January 5, 2012 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

Ralph Nader , an answer for anything in the 21st. century ? Wait, wait, while I clear
my throat ! Ak the phlegm contained the remnants of Ralph Nader Oh well ! and
green party ?  More upper class trolls once again providing the ultimate solutions
to the problems facing America’s “Working Poor” ! Ak ! throat clearing again !
excuse me !

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By gerard, January 5, 2012 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

Do not fail to note:  On the same day Obama “signals a shift in military strategy” he sells a whopping big order of killer hardware to the Saudis!
  This tells a lot regarding our (yours and mine) dependency up the Military/Industrial Complex for bread and the butter to spread on it—in other words, jobs.  Just jobs—nothing else.  Jobs at any price.  Jobs so the unemployment rate doesn’t go higher between now and the election.  Jobs!
  Where is the inspiring advocacy of ideas and plans for a moral redirection of corporate business?  Where is the joyful, life-fulfilling spirit of what America used to represent?  Where is the outcry from we, the people, to demand and support redirection of our efforts away from slavish, systemized killing and toward freedom that would make our country and the world a better, cleaner, more humane environment?

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By Oceanna, January 5, 2012 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

I wouldn’t be too quick to assume Obama has aced a second term.  The voter
default in terms of voting apathy is probably pretty equal in both parties. 

It’s going to be a very close horse race from what I can discern, with little
difference between the ultimate front-runners, Romney and Obama.  I doubt if
TPTB are going to tolerate the leads of the dark horse, Ron Paul, for much
longer.  I imagine the sabotage of his run is only going to get worse.

Of course, there are alternatives like Rocky Anderson and Jill Stein for those
who are adverse to the lesser evil paradigm and the restrictions of
the two party system.

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By Stephen Unger, January 5, 2012 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
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Response to Truthdig article by Robert Scheer 1/5/12

We can give the “ordinary people who, despite being seriously hurt in this economy” a place to turn to in November.

Now is the perfect time to dump the Dems and build up the Green Party to run someone we could be really enthusiastic about. If we don’t win with the Greens in 2012, we could at least get it into shape for a victory next time around, meanwhile electing some good people to congress and other offices. Money in elections is very important, but the bottom line is votes.

If this causes Obama to lose, that would not be a bad thing. Note how, when Bush did terrible things, there was at least some vocal opposition from liberals. When Obama does the same things, or even worse things, there is little opposition.

The Occupy Movement is laying the foundation for just this sort of move.


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By tony_opmoc, January 5, 2012 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

Its much worse than that. First of all the Iowa
American Idol Pol Show. Is no one suspicious about
the Very Close Result? I don’t know how these votes
are counted, but they look highly suspicious. The
actual votes cast are much too close and if real
would be in the top 20 elections of all elections
everywhere in recorded history.

Even more strange, the number of votes selected -
just over 30,000 is almost identical to the number
of votes of the same person in 2008. So we have three almost identical numbers from an electorate of 120,000. The chances of that happening without being fixed is astronomical.

The political process and almost all its participants are bought and paid for by US Corporate and Israeli interests. The vast majority of Americans who are sufficiently intelligent for their brains to register are completely controlled by the same propaganda from the same funding sources as that used to control the politicians.

There is no real difference between Republicans and Democrats which really are slightly different
factions of the Fascist One Party State.

Americans can’t vote themselves out of their mess,
which is why the few brain alive have started their Occupy movement.

Eventually, as the Poverty increases and ordinary
Americans can’t afford the payments for either their TV dinners or the electricity for the TV, something quite drastic is going to happen.

The Religious Nutters will Call It “The Reckoning” / “The Rapture” / “The Apocalypse”

With more guns in circulation than people, its likely to be very messy and quite possibly even before Obama is Re-Anointed.

Oh and whatever you do, these words are NOT allowed on live TV.

“CNN Feed ‘Drops’ As A US Soldier Tells Of Why He
Supports Ron Paul’s Foreign Policy”

After WWII for many years, there was a Standing Joke for whenever Germans were due to appear in England.

“Don’t Mention The War”

I never thought it possible that America would become the same as Nazi Germany, but I guess if it can happen to Germans, who are the most rational and sensible people, then it can happen to any country.

Its all very sad.

Good Luck America.


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By Bert McDert, January 5, 2012 at 10:49 am Link to this comment
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Wait…a now-sidelined Ron Paul?  On what basis?  Wishful thinking is all I can come up with.

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By heavyrunner, January 5, 2012 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Eisenhower should have warned about the military
industrial complex in his first speech, not his last.

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By prisnersdilema, January 5, 2012 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

It should be clear as day by now, that there are powers that are above our
government and above the law, that have charted a course for this country. They
believe that they know what is best for the people of this country and for the rest
of the world.

911 was created by them for the purpose of what followed. It was an evil seed that
has born evil fruit. That has extended itself throughout the world, and through
this country.

While, the war was prosecuted for the benefit of the banking cartels and those
above them, a bubble was created to provide capital for the wars that were being
planned. Then the banking cartels crashed the economy to enable them to further
control the political front, and to decrease the ability of the American people to
resist their ultimate goals. It was much much more than a financial cous de tat.

What happened to this country’s economy is no accident, it was not the result of a
miscalculation of some sort. It was a plan much like 911 that had political motives,
some of which have been achieved.

So now, they will use political ideology, as way of further controlling, and
destabilizing, while they increase their power. The stage is set…. the Democrats
will use their same old themes, and the Republicans theirs…. To provide a
diversion. Neither party has any intention of straying far from what is planned.

Eisenhowers warning came to late to save us, and of course few people realized
how far things had gone. But that was back when politics worked, when politicians
seemed to care about what was good for the country….

Those days are long gone now…..Unless people understand that the Demo-
Republican party no longer represents them, then we will decend into a full blown
totalitarian existence, East Germany style.

The choice is yours.

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By faith, January 5, 2012 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

Well said, Professor.  Where is Jimmy Carter?  I recognize he is older, but he is
mature, intelligent and a man of peace.

New topic - Mr. Scheer, wonderful article and so on point with the Saudi/9/11
relationship.  I was flabbergasted to read that our government would sell our
newest military airplanes to them for that very reason you expressed.  Money does
indeed talk.  But, then, I was beyond flabbergasted that our U.S. Congress would
dare pass a bill to imprison any american citizen without formal charges and
indefinitely - without trial.  We americans may be somewhat slow to put 2 and 2
together, but once some midwesterner’s son or daughter is thrown in prison for
some years on a mere accusation of that terrible “T” word, I suspect that there will
be a rebirth of desire to regain our constitutional rights.

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By Leefeller, January 5, 2012 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

Okay Obama is not perfect, he actually has made some crappy appointments and done some things which really seem not exactly what I want from my personal president. That said, what options do I have? Not one, unless I want to throw my vote in the garbage. Well the new metamorphism of Obama has grown a few, I like what I am seeing in the new Obama, he is finally telling the Republicans where to put it, I know he may have been taking his lollygagging time about it, but at least he is finally getting into his stride.

Come one third party clowns, how many of you are shrills for the Repulcians? I am aware some of you are sincere third party Green supporters, like Ardee and a few others, but many of you seem almost shrill trolldom like, conveniently ignoring the concept third party support subtracts from the Democrats and third party sincerity is always a question!

Sheer has changed his toon towards Obama, but how about coming up with an option, maybe his next article will offer one?  Look if a third party came up with a viable candidate happend to have a snowballs momentum gathering chance in hell of possibility, maybe even winning…. even I would vote for third party depending on their rhetoric!

Paul makes a loud case for anti war and stops there, the rest of his baggage makes me back hurt! Jill who? Come on give me a break.  I heard Rocky and Buddy do their song and dance routines and actually like what they have to show and tell,  but unless they loose some moss and gather some sunlight, I ask who else has ever heard of them?

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By heavyrunner, January 5, 2012 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

“since the attack on American soil that kept defense
spending so high in the post-9/11 decade was carried
out by 15 Saudis and four other men directed by Osama
bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi primarily using funding
from his native land. “

How do you know? Were they every tried and convicted?
What evidence has been presented that this is the
case? Do we know who they were working for if indeed
the names on the passenger lists were accurate? How
do we know they were using their own names? Why have
several of the supposed hijackers surfaced alive
after 9/11?

Here are a couple of short, to the point, straight
news videos from 9/11. Please watch them. They are
posted on the home page of our web site

Firemen who just escaped secondary explosion which
collapsed the lobby of World Trade Tower around them.
5 minutes 38 seconds

CBS reporter caught beneath the Twin Towers when the
South Tower exploded. 38 seconds

Bob, don’t those two videos pique your interest as a
journalist? I think you know that the official
explanation rules out any secondary explosions and
expects us to believe that the towers simply “fell

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By bpawk, January 5, 2012 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

You’ve made the case more for a third party than at any other time - both parties are the same as their actions reveal more than their words - time to organize and get another candidate for the Greens or Ralph Nader to run for them - now is the time to strike otherwise you get 4 more years of the same.

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By balkas, January 5, 2012 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

in the view of the fact that ruling classes in most of europe, americas, afrika, and asia share
same ideology [in ape language: me better than you], why wouldn’t they help each other
and what better way to do that than sell saudis, et al more armaments?
of course, there is that other supremacism or supremacisms [and infallible for all time, to
boot] that islamists, talmudniks, and christians cling to.
so, what about this fact? well, i’d dare say that personal supremacists on THEIR PLANET—
OOPS, ‘OUR’ planet—know that personal supremacism would prevail over any pious
right now the pious idiots of all colors are useful idiocies [and have been fro millennia] to
people like herod the great, nero, caligula, shah, napoleon tsar nikolas, santa, sarkozy,
obama, hirohito, merkel, paul, cameron, putin and such people.

so, at the end of history, would christians, islamists [buddhists are not good meat], and
talmudniks be fed to the lions?

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By ElkoJohn, January 5, 2012 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

So . . .
it would be better for us to have a small, corrupt Federal government
than a large, corrupt Federal government.
Unfortunately, neither party is willing to
dismantle our corrupt, large Federal government
because they both just love playing ‘‘The Empire Strikes Back.’’

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By balkas, January 5, 2012 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

i’ll skip talking about islam and just look what the islamists do. for now let’s just study what the
islamists in saudi arabia do or would like to do to the world also, if they could?
ok, i would be only ‘predicting’ what saudis would do to you, me, the world, if they could.
i say, saudis would do exact same or similar things that ruling class of america does. both of these
ruling classes hold that their common ideology [personal supremacism] is infallible; and thus justifies
any act imaginable in order to protect, maintain, or reconfirm it.
and goddevil may help you if you’re against it!
did bush know this when he said [he was probably directed to say it]: you’re with us or against us!

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 5, 2012 at 7:56 am Link to this comment

One major fault of this article is Scheer’s insisting on peddling the evil Bush Administration myth and lie that the 9/11 attack was carried on by 19 hijackers most of them are Saudis. An enlightened journalist like Robert Sheer should do better than accepting and peddling the lies of the most evil administration in American history!

Another major fault in the article is the omission of Zionist Israel’s approval of such sale to Saudi Arabia. If Israel or its powerful American lobby had seen in this sale any trace of danger that it might offset their military superiority over all Arab countries combined, then they would have raised hell against this sale.

Moreover, I am sure that secretly many Zionists were given assurances that they will be overrepresented in the staff who would service and control these weapons on Saudi land, to make sure that they would have defects and they are going to sit in the Saudi deserts to accumulate dust and rust!

And the winners in this deal will always be the American military-industrial complex and merchants of death along with their Zionist allies in evil!

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By veritone, January 5, 2012 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

You write:

“On the central issue of our time—reining in the
greed of the multinational corporations, led by the
financial sector and the defense industry”

I would argue that you completely ignore the central
issue of our time, which is how all the foregoing are
preventing us from addressing the real and rapidly
unfolding threat of runaway Global Warming. Much as I
admire your writing, this is an egregious omission
and places you on the wrong side of a depressing
trend of decreasing coverage in the face of
increasing reports of how dire our predicament is.
Fix that, please!

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By thethirdman, January 5, 2012 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

Let’s not concern ourselves too much with the circus that comes around every
four years.  It matters very little who is in the White House when it comes to the
health of our great empire.
Aristotle had it figured out more than 2000 years ago.  We are at the end of our
kyklos and there is nothing you or I can do about it.
Many on this site are very smart and contribute wonderful ideas, but I am just
back from the cultural front and I have bad news to report: your fellow
Americans are lost.  They are scared and confused yet oddly detached from
reality.  They know someone moved their cheese, but their main concern is
simply getting it back.
War with Iran is coming and it will be the coup d’etat for our short lived empire. 
Life will go on, and perhaps we will be better people without the stress of it all. 
But like I said, history must run its course.  And in the immortal words of the
late Carlin, you fellow truthers have ringside tickets to the freakshow.

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By The Professor, January 5, 2012 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

When Gov’t and CEO’s sleep together, that equates to behavior which makes Tony Soprano resemble Snow White. Guaranteed, in 15 years, we will attack Saudi Arabia.  Excuse me, did someone say Iran Contra Affair?

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By Eric L. Prentis, January 5, 2012 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

Finding the truth about 9/11 will go a long way to forcing the psychopaths out of power.

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By The Professor, January 5, 2012 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

You got it Eric….Whether it is Ralph Nader or someone else, our voice needs to be heard.

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By balkas, January 5, 2012 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

does saying onepercenters’, largeshareholders’, banksters’ dominated-governance, shed more light on this mystery of who actually rules america,
than saying “corporate-dominated governance”?
ok, thinkers, what do you think?

since MSM columnists avoid like plague to talk about THE GOVERNANCE
[SYSTEM OF RULE] i wonder if he uses that term [governance] as synonymous with the label “govt” or “govts”?

have you guyz noticed that when people use the word “govt”, they, by it, almost always refer solely to a given administration; and nearly always
exclude the judiciary and congress from not only a given administration but also as existing apart from ALL OF IT; ie, THE SYSTEM.
MSM columnists [well-paid/cared for by the rulers] thus can beat up on only the govt, on only the congress, or only—tho rarely—on the judiciary.

in order to further muddy the waters, columnists often beat up on only some individuals of a govt. this is what happened to cheney, bush, lyndon
johnson, wolfowitz, et al.
naturally, such narrow look or a look thru a slit or peep hole cannot elucidate; thus, its widespread use. beating on bush and around bushes, may
satisfy feelings about him, but it does not enlighten people.

btw, i don’t know how i managed to say the above? and not taking my morning memory and intelligence pill, to boot?
[i get the pill from an old zuni medicine man; and it is free] tnx

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By Eric L. Prentis, January 5, 2012 at 7:17 am Link to this comment

Ralph Nader, we need you, please rise to the challenge. Find a young charismatic progressive third-party presidential candidate that wants to: 1) throw the psychopaths out of power, both in corporations and in government; 2) allow insolvent Wall Street banks to go bankrupt; and 3) bring fraud charges against those responsible for the credit crisis. Americans will vote for this candidate, in droves.

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By spiro spyratos, January 5, 2012 at 7:14 am Link to this comment
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US aggression is constantly being pushed, shoved down countries’ throats is more accurate, as we expand our imperial power ever so violently. Washington doesn’t care about questions of hypocrisy or democracy; the multinational corporations, especially the military-industrial complex, is all that matters at the end of the day.  It’s, to paraphrase Chomsky, what we say, goes.  But like all confusing and misguided actions, there are consequences. It’s just that the US has not had its come-uppance yet.

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By phelanm, January 5, 2012 at 7:12 am Link to this comment

is it time to let go of this crazy

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By Paul_GA, January 5, 2012 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

The Repubs may sideline Dr. Paul, but if he should bolt the GOP and run as a third-party candidate, I’ll gladly vote for him—no one else is antiwar and pro-freedom that I know of.

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By ardee, January 5, 2012 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

Robert Scheer, you must be kidding.

On the central issue of our time—reining in the greed of the multinational corporations, led by the financial sector and the defense industry—a Republican presidential victor, with the possible exception of the now-sidelined Ron Paul, would do far less to challenge the kleptocracy of corporate-dominated governance.

I would remind Mr. Scheer, and those Obama supporters here, however well meaning and rational their arguments might be (She), that Barack Hussein Obama is a corporate stooge of the first water. From the makeup of his government, to the ignoring of the criminal actions of those corporations which provided his war chest for election and will do so for his re-election as well, to the continuation of Bushs’ criminal war and the strategy of war as necessary, Obama is no different from any of the other myriad of corporate lackeys that infest our government.

Shenonymous states :
No one is hypnotized by Obama, but he does represent the socio/economic view better for me than anyone else who will run for the office. .

I would offer that this does indeed indicate this posters’ belief in the hypnotic nature of Obama’s speeches and an ignorance or avoidance of the fact that he never fulfills his promises.

As to her promise that Obama will start no new wars, well I imagine her crystal ball may be in need of fine tuning. Saber rattling continues towards Iran, and the coming chaos in both Iraq and Afghanistan may create scenarios that, when coupled with our MIC need for more profit and that industry’s power over our government, may change this optimistic prophesy in short order.

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By M Henri Day, January 5, 2012 at 6:45 am Link to this comment

«But regardless, Obama will not be going into any new one [i e, war] ...» Let us hope, Shenonymous, that both you and I are around so that one of us can tell the other «I told you so !» when Mr Obama leaves the White House. Personally, looking at the manner in which the US government is driving events in Iran and Pakistan (to take only two examples), I am not so sanguine….


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By David J. Cyr, January 5, 2012 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, Robert Scheer:

“Barack Obama will be re-elected not as a vindication of his policies but because the Republicans are incapable of providing a reasonable challenge to his flawed performance.”

The more transparent the abysmal failure of (D) dedication gets the more ill the (D) dedicated liberals’ logic gets.

If some interchangeable POTUS part is again installed by the corporate party in 2012, it will be because the American electorate continued to be mindlessly (R) & (D) dedicated to perpetuating the immorality and insanity of the policies they (R) & (D) vote together for within their corporate party.

Since the corporate (R) & (D) party’s Democrats didn’t do the good they could have, when they could have, it’s transparently obvious that Democrats have no intention to get good done.

Jill Stein for President:

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

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By The Professor, January 5, 2012 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

To all who voted for Real Change in the 2008 election, welcome to the world of plutocracy. Will anyone emerge from any Third Party as our change agent for worldwide peace? Where are you now Jimmy Carter?

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By Shenonymous, January 5, 2012 at 5:51 am Link to this comment

The fact is politics in every country are failures.  It is the nature
of politics for some to be dissatisfied when there are different
perceptions of what a perfect world would be.  The judgment that
there are catastrophic results in store depends on who is looking
at the situation.  For some, it will be most propitious.  Depends on
what side you are on.  Of course this country will keep going, there
is no concrete sign it will not.  You can make up whatever story makes
you feel better.  It is only desperate denial that says it won’t.  No one
is hypnotized by Obama, but he does represent the socio/economic
view better for me than anyone else who will run for the office.  That
is the liberal view.  Those who want to fuse the two parties together
are blind by their own hubris or by Republicans who are know they are
losing.  There may or may not be war.  It will depend on what is going
on and if people rise up against their oppressors.  But regardless,
Obama will not be going into any new one and will bring the one in
Afghanistan to an end.  The Democratic Party is not finished, it just
pushed the restart button. 

Robespierre115, Jan. 5 2:58 am - Did I really “bash” religion?  Do say
how I did and what I said that gave you that impression.

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By M Henri Day, January 5, 2012 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

To paraphrase the late Robert Frost, one wonders if the US will end in the fire of a thermonuclear conflagration or the ice of bankruptcy. In either case, the military-financial-industrial-media complex will have played an important role….


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By IMax, January 5, 2012 at 5:40 am Link to this comment

Many today forget that half of all voting democrats supported Mrs. Clinton. Election data shows us that in the last general election roughly 80% of democratic voters cast their ballots not out of real passion for candidate Obama but, rather, as a vote for ‘the democrat’ over ‘the republican’.  What does this mean?  Roughly 15% of democratic voters tend to be diehard Obama supporters. - A small minority of voters identify themselves as true Obama supporters.

I personally voted for the least vetted, least qualified, candidate in American history, Mr. Obama. He got my vote for a simple reason.  Fear of Sarah Palin in the White House.


A large number of democrats will stay home this next time around. So deep is their disgust in the current system and the vast difference between Obama’s promises and his actions.

It is not a forgone conclusion that the incumbent will win next November.

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By race_to_the_bottom, January 5, 2012 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

Obama will win because the finance capitalists want him. They own him. He gives them everything they want. They also own the proto-fascist Republican candidates whose purpose is to scare the left back into the Obama camp. Each election from now on, we are expected to choose between an increasingly rightwing Democrat and an increasingly fascist Republican.

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By Bruce Bethany, January 5, 2012 at 5:30 am Link to this comment
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Robert Sheer buttresses the 9/11 myth by accepting the government’s version of
that day’s events apparently without any doubts or qualms. There are literally
hundreds of anomalies, untruths, lies, misrepresentations, failures, suspicious
behaviours, unanswered questions, and so on. The mysteries of many criminal
events of the past half century in America cry out for resolution. From JFK, MLK,
RFK, John Lennon Oklahoma City, WTC 1993, Waco, the 2000 election, and of
course 9/11. Perceived history is often false. This is a lurking disease in our
psyche…undiagnosed, untreated, uncured.

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