By samosamo, February 4 at 5:46 am

“Please help with the taxonomy and the dichotomies.”

Taxonomy?

There is a clear dichotomy between Israeli government policies and the beliefs of Noam Chomsky and many, many others, including Inherit the Wind.

Inherit the Wind should not have to defend himself from attacks by inveterate Jew haters, who seem to blame all Jews for Israeli Government policies. Such attacks only increase the tension and lead to misunderstandings.

I’m sorry if my sarcastic comment was confusing, I couldn’t resist pointing out that Glen Beck and his groups of Tea Partiers are lunatics. This kind of lunacy has been around seemingly forever, and Beck is the primary purveyor of this lunacy today.

U.S. Foreign policy has put us between a rock and a hard place in the Middle East. Events are still unfolding, and it appears that the U.S. Government is in a no win situation. My personal belief is that the U.S. Government should give unqualified support for the democratic forces, but it’s clear that doing so would have repercussions, politically, and geopolitically, and that tensions will be aggravated regardless of U.S. Government action, or lack of action.

drbhelthi, February 4 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

The only people among us who are qualified to use
such terminology are the ones who outlived the
Hitler-NAZI stalags. The vast majority of whom are no
longer among us.
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You mean like relatives of mine who still bear the tattoos?  And there are plenty of survivors still alive from the genocide in Rwanda and in Yugoslavia—they, too have that right, wouldn’t you say?

You have the “right” to say whatever you want.  You just don’t have the decency to honor those around the world who suffered from genocide when you deliberately misuse the word.

“You denigrate all the people who suffered from
attempted genocide - - ” (Inherit the Wind)

The only people among us who are qualified to use
such terminology are the ones who outlived the
Hitler-NAZI stalags. The vast majority of whom are no
longer among us.

The clan that has been misusing such terminology
since the end of WWII, are the religious bigots who
demand favorably preferential treatment for their
clan, on the basis of the murder of a large number of
their forebears, in the Hitler-NAZI holocaust. Riding
on the wave of guilt carried by progeny of the NAZI-
types and sympathy of the western world, the vast
majority of which progeny had nothing to do with
Hitler´s decisions, is typical of israeli dishonesty. 
And the sympathy of the western world has worn thin,
after sixty years of abuse.

Similar to the current limited genocide being
conducted against Palestinians.  A continuation of
the historical genocide conducted five thousand years
ago, and the foibles about a “God” who sanctioned
genocide against tribes, who had accumulated wealth
and lands that the israeli-types coveted, which
tribes were eventually massacred and their properties
stolen.  Which dishonest to the core “clan” was
disavowed by their own God, after three or more
thousand years of their dishonesty, which God
signified disavowal of the covenant by tearing apart
the inner veil of the temple.  Carefully recorded in
historical chronicles written by israeli-types and
others.

Which is why the current year is designated as 2011,
allegedly accurate within four years.
Nowadays, the hitler-types among the clan have this
golden-egg entity called the “Federal Reserve,”  and
adequate influence so as to tell the US presidential
cabinet, and leaders of Congress when to get on and
off the pot.  That is, members who are not Israelis. 
Which dishonest clan now want a total puppet in
Egypt, to cut off all life-sustenance to
Palestinians, and advance internal disruption in
Iran.  The plan is no longer secret.

Zionism is genetically related to Western imperialism and serves its anti-democratic purposes. The survival of Zionism through American military support is masked and justified ideologically as fighting anti-Semitism and promoting democracy. This propaganda now wears laughably thin in the face of Arab resistance to their dictators, while the US not only does very little to assist the democratic uprisings for self-determination but courts their military, having armed them in strategic agreements to secure the region. These unfolding events are wonderful because like Wikileaks they expose for the want of a better expression ‘US foreign policy in the Middle East’ as nothing more than criminal military agression over the sovereignty of Arab nations.

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By JDmysticDJ, February 4 at 1:31 am

Yeah, that is confusing. How does one differentiate jewish
people that are friends and the insidious crop of war mongering
terrorists that are controlling the country of izrael, the military,
suppressing those jews who object to such actions? Really would
not want to offend anyone but in some cases that is just
impossible.

I see in itw’s comment this:
““As the radical right in Israel is demanding more control over
daily lives, demanding the right to segregation (and I’m talking
about segregating Ashkanazi Orthodox from “corrupted”
Sephardic Orthodox”...
Please help with the taxonomy and the dichotomies.

Why not? We already know they are firmly linked to the racists, particularly the old-fashioned KKK types—who have ALWAYS hated Jews just as much (and Catholics—“Papists”—nearly as much).

Ike said no to the Jews? That’s odd, one of Glen Beck’s recommended authors, Elizabeth Dilling, referred to Eisenhower as “Ike the Kike.”

Things get confusing don’t they?

Apparently there is a connection between Tea Partiers and anti-Semites.

Basically, the term ‘terrorist’ is used against
anyone that Israel is afraid of.

I’ve just heard an Egyptian professor talking on the
BBC World Service, saying that if the West bows to
Israel and Mubarak’s fear-mongering about the Muslim
Brotherhood, they are more likely to make their
nightmares come true.

The fact is, that counter to what Israel and the US
believe, not every Islamic group is a terrorist
organisation, and by constantly vilifying them and
suppressing them, you end up turning them into the
enemy.

This professor said that the most important thing for
Egypt is Proportional Representation, because there
are many diverse and different affiliations in Egypt.
No one singular group should dominate. If that means
that there are some that are anti-Israel and the US,
then so be it. As long as there are also those that
are pro-Western as well, you are likely to have a
more democratic and peaceful government.

However, Israel is determined to make every Muslim
around the world into a villain and a terrorist.
Israel and the US are sadly made up of very insular
and narrow-minded individuals with too much
influence.

Basically, the term ‘terrorist’ is used against
anyone that Israel is afraid of.

I’ve just heard an Egyptian professor talking on the
BBC World Service, saying that if the West bows to
Israel and Mubarak’s fear-mongering about the Muslim
Brotherhood, they are more likely to make their
nightmares come true.

The fact is, that counter to what Israel and the US
believe, not every Islamic group is a terrorist
organisation, and by constantly vilifying them and
suppressing them, you end up turning them into the
enemy.

This professor said that the most important thing for
Egypt is Proportional Representation, because there
are many diverse and different affiliations in Egypt.
No one singular group should dominate. If that means
that there are some that are anti-Israel and the US,
then so be it. As long as there are also those that
are pro-Western as well, you are likely to have a
more democratic and peaceful government.

However, Israel is determined to make every Muslim
around the world into a villain and a terrorist.

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If it wasn’t a lie, I would say that going to the cia website to find
a list of terrorist nations to ‘firm’ up what our government
considers terrorist nations, you know those homes for ghosts
that so conveniently exist to justify invasions of sovereign
nations and abscond with their natural resources.

I am absolutely sure that a cia list would be very different from
what a literal list of terrorist nations would be because it would
mean that if just one of the cia’s ghosts was in a country, then it
becomes a terrorist nation, a la w.

Maybe a consideration to remember, any such list(s) would be
dynamic.

drbhelthi, February 3 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment

Nor israeli zionistgogues.
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Nor should you.  But a dictionary and International Law’s definition would differ from your pompous and deliberately misleading definition:

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to
mean—neither more nor less.”

So you are using “Genocide” to create a deep, emotional response, since the definition of genocide is to ELIMINATE an ethnic group from life, such as wiping out one million Armenians, 5 million Congolese, nearly a million Rwandans, hundreds of thousands of Yugoslavs—or six million Jews, in an attempt to equate the deaths of roughly 5000-6000 Palestinians since the year 2000 out of a population of approximately 11,000,000 Palestinians in the region.

To call that “genocide” is to deliberately mis-use the word. By no sense of the word is Israel’s actions genocidal.  They may be illegal, even criminal, even a Crime Against Humanity (devised to define the slaughter of 10-17 MILLION by Hitler) but by no rational or HONEST assessment is it genocide.

And I think you know it but are just using that word because it’s inflammatory.  There’s a right-winger who posts here all the time who uses words as irresponsibly as you do.

That’s absolutely right, Sophrosyne; Obama wants to be re-elected, and to accomplish that, he needs wealthy American Jews in his corner (virtually all of whom, Demo or Repub, are pro-Israel, though none of them would ever emigrate there; too dangerous, y’know?). So if he’s got to get on his knees and kiss posteriors to retain office, no problem (even Napoleon once said that if he wanted a man badly enough he was willing to kiss his arse—pardon my French!).

The best and only talking point AIPAC and the MSM have been able to come up with:  Mubarak has been a good friend to us [meaning Israel].  We can’t throw him under the bus!  What would our other allies [dictators who agree to protect Israel] think?.

I take neither word definitions nor instructions from
the local synagogue. 

Nor israeli zionistgogues.

Dr. Try researching what “Genocide” means before you use the term so incorrectly and irresponsibly.

You denigrate all the people who suffered from attempted genocide when you so cavalierly mis-use it to cynically try to make political points.

“So…Israel, Egypt and the USA are terrorist states…
But aren’t.”
(Inherit The Wind)

Comparatively speaking, whom are Libya, Sudan,
Jordan, Syria,and Iran attacking and conducting
genocide of innocent locals ? 

Versus, in how many countries is the USMilitary
conducting genocide against Moslems who have not
attacked the U.S.

The disinformation program of “Weapons of Mass
Destruction” conducted by the GHWBushSr entourage
requires inclusion.

It isn’t just “Tea-Baggers” who think that way in Mordor-on-the-Potomac, as I see it.

Inherit the Wind, 

What he said.

So…Israel, Egypt and the USA are terrorist states…But Libya, Sudan, Jordan, Syria, Iran aren’t.

I’m beginning to think “Terrorist” means “Anyone Friendly to the USA” in the so-called “progressives’ handbook” and anyone hostile to the USA is a “freedom fighter”.

The simple-mindedness and ignorance of Tea baggers, just in a different context.

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Didn’t take long for izrael to jump in by supplying anti-riot
equipment to quell the revolt ala izraeli style of making a
protential bad situation become a reality. Which is make the
home country do the work, just give them what they need to
stop it. A natural thing from 2 terrorist states while the 3rd
terrorist state, the u.s., is still trying to get their agendas in
order to take advantage of the situation for corporate benefits.

No, it didn’t take long and also not surprising that it is taking a
turn for the worse for now because izrael feels it will miss the
cozy relations with their puppet in Cairo. Classic example of how
what is an encouraging act being turned into a bad situation by
people insulated from the actual uprising.

Or as Hosea the prophet wrote, “They have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind” (chapter 8, verse 7)—and I fear that goes for Israel’s “friend”, the USA, as well.

I just saw some footage of the crowds in Cairo
shouting, “Mubarak, go. Go to Tel Aviv”. A telling
thought.

Israel: you reap what you have sown!

As Charles de Gaulle once said, “Treaties are like pretty young girls; they last while they last” ...

Gee, I would think that all the unemployed, lack of sufficient nutrition, corruption, and repression would be the real reasons for revolution, not a treaty with Israel.

It would be interesting to know the proportion of the Egyptians who are frustrated
with Mubarak specifically because of the peace treaty with Israel. That could tell us
what may be motivating the protests against him.

The Status Quo, the “same-old-same”, is dying. Amazing that Mordor-on-the-Potomac and Minas-Morgul-on-the-Mediterranean can’t or won’t see it; but then, governments are rarely wise. Their very nature is to react, often violently, to change in any way, shape or form, not help it along.

Well, as JFK said long ago, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

Anger against Israel prevents the author from seeing the problem correctly just as
much as propping up dictatorships in exchange for cold war truces did to US
foreign policy makers in the 80s.

I don’t think the average Egyptian protester is being motivated by a hatred of the
US “meddling” as much as the fact that a strongman has been ruling their country
for most of their lifetime. But opportunists are trying to inflame their already
smoldering hatred for Israel in order to reap their political goals from the chaos.
The consequence: more wars.

Hatred blinds. Lose it. It annoys me to see so many opinions here skewed by it.

“It would be the best thing for Jews, for the state
of Israel, and probably be a very good thing for
their neighbors,too.” ( inheret the wind)

Agreed.

We see in the „nation, Israel“ a dictatorship of
zionists who have been riding on the wave of the
„holocaust“ and a figure of six million, for sixty-
six years.  Whatever documents were signed with
alleged “representatives” of Palestine, none have
been signed granting “Israel” the right to commit
genocide against Palestinians and engulf their
property and lands.  And, with the support of the
USGov “leadership. “

It is an act of dogmatic stupidity that motivates
alleged “leaders” of the USGov, and other western
governments, to grant cart-blanche to such a clan of
demagogues as the zionists that rule “Israel”. 
Continuing to assign more value to the figure of six
million than to all the “allied soldiers” that were
killed in WWII is simply inequitable.  Or, has the
guilt morphed into recognition and lust for some of
the power that the zionists have acquired since WWII,
and the prominence to which the MOSSAD has risen ?

What I would like to see is for young Israelis to rise up against THEIR religious regime that is rapidly becoming a dictatorship just like the young Egyptians are doing.  As the radical right in Israel is demanding more control over daily lives, demanding the right to segregation (and I’m talking about segregating Ashkanazi Orthodox from “corrupted” Sephardic Orthodox), even demanding the right to determine who is a Jew, and who is legally married, while, in fact contributing little to both the Israeli economy and military, they are sinking the last refuge of Jews.

If young, aware, committed Israelis who actually BELIEVE in democracy would stand up in the streets like the Egyptians, they could crumble and topple those who aim to establish a Jewish Taliban. They could stop this insane, suicidal urge to constantly take from the Palestinians.

It would be the best thing for Jews, for the state of Israel, and probably be a very good thing for their neighbors, too.

Notice that Saudi Arabia is snarling at the Egyptian peaceful revolution in total terror.  It’s toppling the Mubarak dictatorship (which is the descendant of the Nassar dictatorship) but is not a religious revolution. It seems like the Muslim Brotherhood isn’t leading but is asking “Please, can we join you, too?”

If the current Israeli leadership hadn’t gone so far Right, and had any brains at all, they could see this revolution as a GOLDEN opportunity for the Middle East, including Israel.

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““I doubt seriously that they would accept the “orderly transition
to meet the democratic and economic needs of the people” that
Hillary Clinton kindly proposes, adding that America stands
“ready to help with the kind of transition that will lead to greater
political and economic freedom.” I would imagine that the
popular feeling is that they have had quite enough help from
Washington.”“
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Remember, the u.s. probably still thinks this a ‘shock doctrine’
moment and any transition, if it were to take place, would
certainly involve the imf, world bank, wto and the other insidious
entities that move in to take economic advantage of such
situations. Ask South America.

I really hope the u.s. AND izrael are not only shocked and
panicked but also stretched too thin to deal with so many
revolutions, uprising and changes of governments of the tainted
arab states throwing out their traitorous leaders. It is a great
strategy if that is so, but hard to tell if it is a planned strategy.

Down side is what are the boys and girls in the bowels of
washington and izrael doing and planning. Whatever, as for now
it seems things could go either way, get real bad or come
together into something really good. But with the u.s. and izrael,
everybody most likely has thought things were about to get
better only for it to turn bad, after all the u.s. and izrael are the
2 most dangerous and tricky terrorist nations on the planet.

WHY WAS EISENHOWER SMART ENOUGH NOT TOO BECOME A TOOL OF ZION…BECAUSE HE WAS
A MAN OF VISION…AND NATURAL LEADER…SINCE THEN LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN DEFINED BY
POLITICAL ADS AND SLICK SPEECH WRTERS…ONE OF ZIONS GREAT SATISFACTIONS IS
INSTIGATING AMERICA TO DO ITS DIRTY BUSINESS..AIDED BY THE NEOCONS WHO ARE AGENTS
OF ZION..SOMEDAY SOON ZION WILL BE STANDING IN THE STORM ALONE…WITHOUT ITS RED
WHITE AND BLUE UMBRELLA..

We and the Israelis have encouraged the arab world to do two things in the last 60 years. First, keep the oil flowing to the west. Second, continue to be retards wollowing in your own shit.

Self determination and education have and will prove to be disasterous for both these policies. There are many sophisticated muslims just as there are many forward thinking christians. Both sides are begining to figure out that they must leave their troglodyte brothers behind.

The arabs are begining to realize that they are being used. Mix that with a little hunger, a lot of poverty, and some ambition, and the next 30 years could be very interesting.