You’re too kind, Lee.  Cheers.

Napolean DoneHisPart:

Your absolutely right.

Napolean DoneHisPart:

Your right.

@ Lee Oates, August 17 at 8:03 am

AAAAAAH .. just because PPL don’t want to play your game you take a hissy fit.

Well here’s one for ya: THE WHOLE OF WESTERN SOCIETY IS BUILT ON RELIGION ... more like a Cult ... watch and learn, child:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqhHh06tE-Y&playnext=1&list=PL6FA0A2B3F743F1E1

And now you know exactly how they take away your rights
Now you also know why PPL are pissed off.

BTW: Bill doesn’t go nearly far enough in his article. That’s why the further discussion .. which you seem to want to keep political instead of providing answers and solutions.

Result: as long as you are in Slavery by Consent, the Government / Corporation of [insert country here] will only laugh at your protests and whatever other rebellion you throw at them. They have the guns, biological agents and many other types of weapons.

the Only way you can change things is if you make them pay, cost them big money, and/or send them a bill for damages to [insert your cause here], and your lost time, and your lost health, and whatever else you can think of
And ... simultaneously start a new Just System for All, or look back in history to reinstall the best one and work on it.

So start thinking with that brain you were born with instead of being a sheep. And that goes for the rest of you complainers on this website.

Cheers, Gabriel.

@ Napolean
What you say is the beginning of an individual’s education as a child. Now it’s time to grow up, realize and learn the rest.

Lee, do these ‘off-topic’ responses truly distract you? 

It is spelled “reality” not ‘realty.’

And you meant “than” not ‘then.’

Please show my ‘petty insults’ if you can, for you are the one who threw an insult with your ‘children’ comment.

You are free to continue your dissertation regarding this whimsical article which says nothing.

You are also free to ignore the responses of other commentators altogether.

What better way to divert attention from the realty of Bill Boyarsky’s article, then to throw in weird religious nonsence, or to indulge in petty insults. Grow up children.

Gabriel, every living person has a horizon.

Every person is limited / nearsighted to their knowledge, understanding and comprehension of things… let alone being able to identify and acknowledge what ‘truth’ is.

What the Christ revealed ( not so much in ‘knowledge’ of ancient secrets, but things of conscience and the experience of love ) can only be understood when one relinquishes all other things, even themselves.

If you have ever known a true Christian / Disciple of Christ ( one evidenced by action and deed, not by lip-service ), then perhaps you would have noticed that being a follower of Christ holds no adherence to Jews or Israel or any ‘sacred places’ ( so being a true Christian is of no value to the Jews, although the Christ came from them )

Also, you would have noticed that a true believer does not affiliate themselves nor adhere to this pagan world / the continuation of the empirical system of slavery and domination perfected at the time of Christ over 2k years ago.  Even though the empire adopted Christianity circa the 3rd century, they did so with symbols and rhetoric and made it into a (re)ligion… yet this action by the hierarchy at that time did not diminish the truth, only pushed it deeper into the hearts of believers ( Spirit ).

As for beings from other planets, solar systems, etc… what would that matter if the individuals living in today’s present time cannot even get along with their neighbor?  ( I am speaking to you and everyone who reads these words now ).  What good is it to ‘know’ the ‘secrets’ long ago hidden, if those secrets do not edify the people you share the land with? 

THIS is the defining factor and truth that Christ revealed…. for all that information you are sharing, loses its weight when this question is proposed: Are you at peace with yourself, your neighbor, your family members and your enemies?

Here is another question:  Have you forgiven those who cross you and / or do you forgive people when they cross you?

And one more: What good is knowledge of anything true or factual or fictional if the individual’s heart is corrupt and depraved, instead of being an example for everyone to learn from in how to mature and evolve? 

Yes, many ‘truths’ have been hidden from the common man, but notice… these ‘truths’ and wisdom of the world have not developed the hierarchy / hegemony one bit, has it?  In actuality, it has become a smokescreen to hide away what is more important and deeper; our humanity and the reality we are all brothers and sisters, divided only by time, circumstance and ignorance of the Father in Heaven ( the Great Spirit - the Almighty ‘radiating Love vibration’ to use the new age description ).

Instead, the hiding away of this secret knowledge has caused these ‘learned men’ to fear their fellow man, to act in depravity and actually ignore God and instead of serving their fellow man out of this wisdom, they instead subdue their neighbor out of greed and selfishness… the very opposite of which Christ taught and exemplified in His Life’s example.

So take note of how the world’s wisdom has backfired on those who claim to know something.

That personage ( Christ ) taught and revealed what love really is through his lifestyle, and those around him wrote down the words He expressed for us to read and learn from Today.

Wisdom is great, but without understanding ( meaning, without proper application of how that wisdom helps your fellowman ) then it is worthless, and if anyone thinks himself to be wise and does not look after his fellow man, then he is a fool and the ‘truth’ is not in him… only useless information which will perish with him.

@ Lee and christian96

Is that so?

Then how do you explain http://www.sacred-texts.com
and
http://s8int.com ?
... just to name a couple out of 1,000’s of fact sites.

I haven’t even started on real juicy parts ... yet. My uncle worked in Vatican Library for over 60 yrs til he found out the real story. He made copies of more than 90% of 300 essential books. He also spread copies of them to many places as his insurance. We, as a group, have access to one such copy.

After he left the Vatican they quickly locked out the library to public. Now you can’t even bring in a pencil and notepad, and you must provide the specific reference you’re after or you don’t get in, even if you have clearance as one of their own.
So what are they trying to hide?

Let’s just say, my uncle was considered one of the most dangerous men on Earth to their and whole Monarchy power structure, at the time. Yet he was one of many who copied said records.

Certain parts were/are leaked to independent; scientists, archeologists, sovereigns, cosmologists, humanitarians, etc. and come out as “new discoveries”. That’s the field you need to watch.

Tesla, Edgar Cayce, Nassim Haramein and many other independents combined are much closer to truth than your so called bible. Original system of Earth was not perfect but it came really close.

Only fallen angels / local Galactic aliens screwed it up, created man/hominids/Adam to do their work in deep radioactive mines and other heavy work. Later they created woman/homo-sapiens/Eve for rest of general toil. Too bad they found out men and women were like them, by self realization, and had to be set free ... according to Laws of Nature and Universe.

They been watching us for over 12,000 yrs to see when we will grow up and be part of greater Galactic family. Due to continuing strife and abuse we are not allowed off earth to spread further until we learn the original basics. If it doesn’t happen soon then Earth might be wiped to basics ... again.

Now you know why there’s a push to shut down all the corrupt systems and especially ones whom run them. If you’d read the full story of Genesis and related books by Sumerians, Maya, Hindus etc. you’d know this. Even corrupt totalitarian China is executing corrupt officials and business people by the 1,000’s.

Huge numbers of US destructive politicians, business people, cops, priests, evangelists and others are let loose on most individuals daily. US is sitting on a time bomb likes of which has never been seen.

The rest of Earth knows this and much more than I say here, why not you?

If you think this is bad just wait til I get into the more juicy parts of records and preset day facts. LOL

Gabriel—-You make a lot of assertions without any
substantiation.  The sad consequences of doing so
is that their are people who will believe your
assertions as fact.  You should change your name.
You don’t deserve to use the name of a holy pure
angel. On the other hand the Bible does say that
Satan tries to disguise himself as an angel of
light.  I would suggest you use the name SATAN.
Anyone reading this don’t believe a word Gabriel
says.  He is a liar and a deceiver.

Ok…now we have into the realm of psychotic hallucination and lost of contact with reality. Someone is off their meds.

@ Napolean

YES .. with details:

You must have missed the part: “or search out the related records for yourself from ALL over Earth, and you translate them yourself, you don’t know squat.”

Originally there were 300 essential books of all knowledge ... life, nature, universe and beyond. Before Great Flood a location close to each Pyramid complex held a copy. In cases of singular pyramid or monolithic structure per area a corresponding close location was chosen. Over time most were looted, destroyed, moved, hidden or not yet found.

Main known repositories in last 6,500 yrs were in Egypt, China, Tibet, Greece, Maya, Native Americans, England, Australian Natives, Dogon and other African Tribes, India, Japan, etc.

Now Bosnia is being excavated and hopefully holds a full undisturbed copy. Independent investigators know of many untouched sites. Yet as with all wars, they are being careful not to get killed by such a Roman Catholic Christianity based Religious mushroom cult prevailing from European Monarchy and Jewish mental state. Hence the origins of their Bible.

King Solomon buried these books under Temple Mount along with Ark of the Covenant = YHMH, a machine handed down from pre flood days that provides free power and protection if it’s combined with a pyramid. It is also the main way to contact our Galactic neighbors.

YHMH was moved to Ethiopia til Templars got to it. Hence the start of Monolithic churches of Europe and subsequent industrial revolution ever since. 300 essential books were stolen and moved to Vatican and who knows where.

These 300 books are the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. When you put them all together as one, study them and comprehend their content, then and only then you will know the full truth. Anything outside of this is only part truth or outright fraud.

But I digress. Today’s rebellions are directly related to truth, exposing the truth and kicking the liars out. So anyone not knowing what they speak of and it’s roots should ask questions instead of make false statements.

BTW: “religion” in an English word and is a composite of “re” and “legion”, to start a legion all over again.
Legion of what? The Roman Judeo Christian Empire under a different name, silly.
It also gives you a hint of how that system is designed.
Anonymous has been smart enough to comprehend this and have adopted the original “legion” part. But with a difference: Each member is a legion, a Sovereign and has one vote. Leave it to young adults to figure out what the old-fart boys club try to hide or manipulate.
Many others are not falling for either and retain their Sovereignty. These are the real ones who will tune you in if you step out of truth.

Thank you for the hint Napolean

No Lee, just responding, not obfuscating nor taking away attention from this present reality: The ever-increasing Police State…. reminiscent of 1984.

But you / all are free to believe what they’d like; the Smurfs, FOX news, Lord of the Rings, or what your brain perceives is true…. we have the freedom of choice ( at least I think we still do ).

The conversation seems to have been diverted into a study group on quaint superstitions rather than the roots of civil disobediance and unrest.  Seems to me that a whole lot of religious garbage is thrown in by the same people on each article, which serves to divert readers away from the real issues. Perhaps that is the main function of religion, to divert people away from reality and maintain control.

Thanks Gabriel, and your source of reference for this masterful ‘insight’ that unless one has access to the bowels of the Vatican they cannot know anything from the bible is where?  Some youboob video?

Much like it is narrow-minded to use ‘we’ and by doing so mistakenly include every inhabitant of Amerika when speaking of the U.S. government’s crimes… it is also ignorant to couple anyone who sources scripture as being obtuse or blind to the atrocities done by any organized religion, or not being able to decipher spiritual truths / realities.. be it some satanist cult, the catholic church ( sometimes seen as one in the same, no argument from me regarding this fyi ) or any group proclaiming to faithfully follow the scriptures… whether or not they have ‘access’ to the deeds / misdeeds of whatever entity hidden away somewhere. 

How about the scholarly work of the past few centuries referring back to the original scrolls and texts?  Is this also from the hand of the Catholic church?  Those Dead Sea Scrolls, for example?

I too can make stuff up ( or believe what I read wherever ) and say it is fact and call-out, let’s say, Buddhism and say something like…. uhm…. oh, the Buddha wasn’t ‘really’ enlightened, but he was taking his notes from somewhere only the divine rite of some 3rd century monks wrote… which refused to enjoy anything the material world had to offer.. even food… and THIS is where Buddha got his ‘zen’ from, and if you don’t read it from THAT source or have access to it… then you don’t know Buddha.

We all have a horizon, yet it is difficult to disregard the teachings of Christ at their face value… very difficult to refute, let alone read out-loud… to the chagrin of most and delight of few.

@ christian96

LMAO .. If you ever studied the bible as a document then you’d realize it’s coded with references to other much more detailed materials, books, much older books, systems, high end technology, astronomy, cosmos, life outside of Earth and ALL other sciences and science facts.

It’s coded so a beginner student priest can use it as a starting point to other much more detailed documents and occult [hidden] knowledge, which copies of now comprise most of Vatican library.

It was never meant to be for public consumption. Get this through your thick skull.

Obviously your view is so narrow minded you can’t see the forest for the trees. We see it’s actually way into bible fundamentalism and nothing else.

Result: unless you have full access to Vatican library or search out the related records for yourself from ALL over Earth, and you translate them yourself, you don’t know squat.

BTW: it’s that occult knowledge that has allowed the priests to manipulate societies into sheeple / sheep people, you being one of them. As you see, the truth is coming out and you can’t lie and manipulate anymore without being challenged. Whole system of control is leaking like a sieve and a backlash is building to dump those who control it, probably it’s followers as well.

Sorry to shatter your world, but at least now you know the truth. You might want to pass this on to your bible thumping buddies as well.

A quick reference to what Einstein said about the Christ:

“If one purges the Judaism of the Prophets and Christianity as Jesus Christ taught it of all subsequent additions, especially those of the priests, one is left with a teaching which is capable of curing all the social ills of humanity.”

Source:

Einstein, Albert, “Christianity and Judaism.”  In Seelig, Cal (Ed.) Albert Einstein: Ideas and Opinions. New York: Three Rivers Press, 1982, 184-185.

Gabriel——I have studied other countries and
religions.  There are religions which have mother
and child in them but the child did not grow up
to teach the wisdom that Jesus taught.  And none
of the children overcame death as Jesus
demonstrated so that those of us who believe in
Jesus and try to follow his teachings shall also
overcome death. Most, if not all, scientists believe
Albert Einstein was the brightest person on earth
during the 20th Century.  In a book titled “Ideas
and Opinions” Albert Einstein said that if we would
remove the garbage that has been added to the
teachings of Jesus over the years we would have knowledge to bring us world peace.  That’s quite
a statement coming from a very bright person.

Lew Ciefer—-Jesus was not talking about the sun
falling into the earth.  He was talking about comets
and asteroids.  We have seen them in the past. The
most notable being in Russia in the early 1900’s.
We will see them again probably more than we would like during the time known in the Bible as the
“Great Tribulation.”  Reference is made to the
sun in Revelation 16:8, “And the fourth angel
poured out his vial on the sun and people were
scorched with great heat and cursed the name of
God.”

RayLan—-According to my Webster’s Dictionary
“Season” is defind as, “The time WHEN something
takes place.  In Matthew 24:3, the disciples ask
Jesus, “Tell us, WHEN shall these things be? and
WHAT shall be the SIGN of thy coming?” Jesus then
went on to quote the signs which I made reference
to previously.  You quoted verse 42, “Watch therefore….”  What were they suppose to watch
for?  Not the hour nor day but the times when the
signs he depicted would appear.  When in history
could the gospel be preached throughout all the
world but the times we are living?  Television
and computers are the primary instruments being
used to accomplish this sign.  In the days of
Noah most people didn’t believe Noah.  They
were not prepared when the flood came.  Thus,
shall it be in our time.  The vast majority of
people don’t believe in the teachings of Jesus.
If they do, they pervert the teachings.  Not
willlingly.  They are blinded by the Spirit of
Antichrist. Jesus warned us to be aware of the
false prophets and teachers.  Therefore, we
must know the truth to “watch therefore” unless
we be led astray.  Things are bad now but they
aren’t even close to how bad it’s going to get.
Jesus said there would come a time of trouble
such as never has been on the earth.  That’s
pretty bad when you consider what took place
during World War II when 6 million Israeli’s
were slaughtered by Adolf Hitler and the Gestapo.
Throughout history people have hated Israel’s.
Why?

Lew, nice description of city life under Martial Law.

@ christian96

The Matthew 24 prophecy can only be understood from a flat-earth perspective. Stars are not little lights hanging from a canopy. Jesus failed to realize that the closest star to the earth is our sun. The mass of the sun is many times larger than that of the earth and couldn’t ‘fall upon the earth’ because the greater mass would pull the earth, along with the moon, to it. Not to mention that heat and radiation would destroy the earth and the moon long before any impact could take place.

This ‘propehcy’ has been used by Christians for 2,000 years to predict the end of the world and they’ve been wrong every single time. What the Bible really shows us is that the Human condition hasn’t really changed—other than technologically—that much since man’s predecessors first crawled out of the primordial slime.

Bottom line is we’re still nothing but apes ...albeit ... apes with plenty of guns and money.

By Marian Griffith, August 15 at 5:37 am

Ouch.
Now that is a painful imagery that requires lots of brain bleach.

How ‘bout we leave Wonderland and pay a visit to reality, okay?

It has obviously escaped your attention but Kadaffy Duck is still in power and giving NATO and its Islamist allies all they can handle. Mubarak may have stepped down but those who supported his regime are still in power and as oppressive as ever.

The Ruling Elite (your Oligarch) is not just a group of easily identifiable super wealthy individuals. It consists of humans AND the institutions through which they exercise and maintain their power. The groups of people are never the same due to mortality, fortunes won and lost, etc. Institutions aren’t stagnant either, they are modified, they morph, old ones are sometimes discarded and new ones created. Then there’s the henchmen class who do the dirty work because of the privileged lives they can lead. The military is an extremely powerful part of both the Ruling Elite and the henchman class.

Are you beginning to get an idea of just what it is that you’re dealing with? You err assuming that 99% of the population feels as you do. They don’t. The general population tends to be somewhat conservative and fears extremes and rocking the boat.

It gets better…

Like most you also have little or no idea of the highly technological society in which you live. You flip a switch and there is light in the dark. You go to the supermarket and there’s an overabundance of food. You turn the valve and water pours out. Most cities only have a 3-5 day supply of food and gasoline. Water and electricity have stations and sub-stations that supply power and H2O to grids that are easily isolated within minutes and hours. You’re probably thinking ... So?

In any severe riot the paramilitary forces—formerly police forces—who are now integrated into an Orwellian hierarchical police state apparatus under DHS and the Patriot Act need only exercise a defensive action where they simply set up a heavily enforced perimeter around the trouble spot and cut all services to that area. At that point all they have to do is wait it out, but that’s too easy. They’ll then start with a psyops i.e. they could play campaign speeches 24/7 ... that would have even the cockroaches and rats surrendering within minutes. They’ll probably fly drones over the trouble spot and drones can easily discharge gas canisters as well as take military grade video of all those little Che Guevaras to be prosecuted under Patriot Act laws which basically classify you as domestic terrorists. Bye-Bye rights!

Now think about 2 or 3 days without power, water, and food ... and much more importantly ... all those drug-addled idiots not being able to score and you’re caged up with them. Try going 3 days without food and only a liter of water. Note how much your personality changes. And I haven’t even touched upon anti-personnel devices of which you haven’t a clue.

It’s easy to sit behind a monitor and think revolution; it’s a totally different experience to face off against the Beast.

@All the biblical end of whatever debaters. Thanks for the lively exchange of points of view of this fictional material.

For the next book reading may I suggest “Doubt - A History”, by Jennifer Michael Hecht.

HannaBanana is right, too many comforted and cajoled by the dole and the mind-numbing front of propaganda media to even notice the hungry on the streets… let alone ‘pesky’ protestors going on about ‘rights’ and other nonsensical boring things like that. ( sarcasm at the end there ).

Such riots will never happen in the U.S. The overlapping televised sports seasons are not an accident, ya know?

I wonder why we haven’t seen more violence in the U.S.?  I also wonder why more of that violence hasn’t been directed at the real perpetrators? 

Picketing in front of a bank hasn’t accomplished much, but picketing in front of a bank owners home has.  The rich now have a phalanx of bodyguards when they go shopping.  Sounds like the new employment opportunities will be in the sniper industry.

@Napolean: you’re welcome
another thing to consider is Linux live CD’s, Virtual Machines, 
... it’s an ongoing tech war, a war of knowledge, exposing truth, and not just shutting down the machine but replacing it with something much better
everyone’s tools are using Oligarchs system against them
TD is good at presenting Main Scream Media bull and it gets exposed in comments.
TD radio is much better at it sometimes

@Christian96: you’re missing the point. Bible was put together by Roman and Jewish Merchant shills. It’s only a tiny fraction of full story. To see the rest you need to study Egyptian, Maya, Hindu, Buddhist and rest of records world wide. When you put them all together then and only then you’ll have about 70% of it.
Examples of what people have learned: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/7252/Old_World_Secrets_the_Omega_Project_Codes/
and http://vodpod.com/watch/3129683-enki-sumerian-tablet-translation-ch-1-2-of-6
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApaYr8m7eyE
http://www.sacred-texts.com

HOW DARE YOU PICK AND CHOOSE SECTIONS TO FIT YOUR ARGUMENT ... now that’s a sign of a liar, when one manipulates records of history.
Bible is a collection of stories copied from much older ones. Since passages in Bible state not to look at other records and it’s the full word ... but it’s not all there ... someone has committed fraud. Get it?

@gerard ... good words of wisdom and philosophy
Yet it is a good idea to prepare for what3ever circumstances may happen.

I concur, Hedges does give a closer rendition of the facts.. and does so quite eloquently.

@christian86
Jesus mentions no season nor even implies a concept of season but an ‘end of the age’ which would be the Second Coming - He lists all the things that are NOT signs - and concludes with

But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
  42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

He repeats how the end is NOT predictable - but pseudo-Christians want to claim it - because it takes attention away from their own spiritual state and walking the straight and narrow path.

RayLan—-You say Jesus did not lay out an apolcalyptic scenario.  How, then, do you explain
the signs spoken by Jesus in Matthew 24?  In
Matthew 24 Jesus did not predict the HOUR nor DAY
but did predict the season.  The season of the
fulfillment of those signs included a time when the
gospel will be preached globally.  When at any other
time in history could this sign have been fulfilled
but only now with modern satellite communications
capabilities?

William MacAdams—-Could you please quote the source
of the statements by Thomas Jefferson?  Thank you.

Nobody can predict the outcomes of the Middle East, nonviolent efforts, by necessity and/or by intention. Such huge popular, relatively leaderless uprisings are new and necessarily experimental. They may remain relatively leaderless because of the dictatorial backgrounds out of which they are coming. Certainly compared to Libya, Egypt did better for a longer period and is still in process.  Syria is probably better off without causing the full impact of the state military to come down on them.  Nobody knows enough to begin to understand, predict or advise these courageous efforts of ordinary people, and judging from Libya presently, it appears that inserting military force only ups the ante, as usual.
  Nor can anyone predict how Britain, European countries, the U.S. or Canada will work out economic and legal injustices. South America a South Africa have already done creative things in their liberation processes.All we know for sure is that violence is evil and brings evil results which tend to strengthen tendencies toward similar events in the future—of which the world is dying as a result.
  There are better ways to solve human problems—for starters, get together and work on ways to prevent them or catch them earlier before they rot into hatred and fear.  We have the means.  We need to find the ways.  Let’s do it to preserve life on earth!

gerard:

I’m a young 72 and have been through the civil rights movement, and in general believe that a non-violent movement is the best first approach.  However, when an oppressive government responds with mass slaughter rather than reasoning and compromise, it is time to fight them by any means possible, such as in Libya and Syria.

The US will most likely never have a serious full-scale revolution simply because we can vote to change the government. Its a matter of education of the public. In a Democracy (or Republic) the people generally get what they deserve.

Case in point.  The US has a very primitive system of health care contributing to the destruction of the middle-class.  Why do the citizens continue to support the politicians who continue to block having a sane system like European countries, or Canada? We, as a country, are responsible for our own messes.

The U.S. isn’t Britain. When the Remington Raiders and Smith-Corona Commandos decide to hit the streets Big Brother is going to whip out the Patriot Act and all those paramilitary elements from all the many different levels of ‘law enforcement’ will be turned loose on all those Che Guevara wannabees. It’ll be like throwing a raw steak to a hungry loin.

thethirdman:  I’m sad to know your dark view. And sad that there is little I can do to change it. To some extent at least, people choose what they believe—and are to some extent free to change that belief. I understandd your frame of mind.  It is
a common one.
  I’m an old woman 97 years old with decades of life behind me.  Though these days look grim, I have also lived through other grim days and have been able to observe people widely enough to see great strengths and great weaknesses, great faith and enormous fear.
  I choose to act out of faith, if and when I can, even though I am afraid. I expect no grand immediate results, but experiences of human love and cooperation that I have had lead me to believe that nonviolence is the only way left with which to preserve humankind.  I am encouraged by what is gradually developing throughout the world and see thousands of examples of people using nonviolence to gain freedom, justice and peace. Results are not uniform, and are certainly only beginning.  But a beginning is what we need.  ‘
  Peace.

gerard,

Thank for taking the time to answer my question.  I don’t disagree with what
you have written.  But I still have a problem.

All of your advise is based on the fundamental assumption that we are living
amongst thoughtful, compassionate, reasonable people.  All of your
suggestions would indeed make our very short lives much more enjoyable.

I think we might differ in our faith in fellow man.  When I look around, I see the
nastiness that is human.  I see people who have convinced themselves that God
is on their side.  CEOs who believe deep in their hearts that capitalism is the
answer and that they have been anointed by God to rule the riff raff below.  A
community that believes in unlimited growth and cannot see what is right in
front of their faces.  I see politicians who just came from the cesspool that is
capitalism and now want to institute hard and fast rules for all others to follow. 
And my critique is not limited to the ruling class, but to the very people
themselves who not only allow this shitshow to continue, but are themselves
the very platform upon which it is based. 

Your advise was sound thousands of years ago when good men risked their
peaceful lives to put wonderful ideas into the world.  But thousands of years of
failure lead me to believe that this way of peace only ensures more exploitation
and suffering.  I want to believe that what you say is possible, but deep down,
man is but a brute.  My frustration comes from not wanting to be one of the
peaceful sheep surrounded by a pack of wolves; wolves with the killer instinct
woven into their DNA.

Enough rambling.  But seriously, how could your ideas reach the hearts of
those who think there is absolutely nothing wrong with their own ideology? 
Violence will harden them in their resolve, but peace will eventually make you
the victim.  What to do?

Memory_Hole:

Good statement.

“I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature.  They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies.  The Christian God can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many ancient gods of past civilizations.  The Christian god is a three headed monster: cruel, evil and capricious.  If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed, beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of the people who say they serve him.  They are always of
two classes: fools and hypocrites.”  ~ Thomas Jefferson

These riots are the predictable result of people who have been left out of a political/economic system, who have no opportunity and no clout in the capitalist system.  Capitalism breeds slums, wealth concentrates in a tiny minority while everywhere the middle class is going under (except China).  Marx was right: we are witnessing the emergence globally of an owning class and a vast proletariat of increasingly desperate people with nothing to lose. Until we find ways, nationally and globally, to redistribute wealth in more a equitable fashion, to maintain and actually expand the social safety nets that have come to be taken for granted in countries such as France and the Netherlands, we are caught up in a ‘race to the bottom’ driven by the machinery of international capital: the IMF, World Bank, WTO, national banks, Fortune 500 corporations and the governments they have bought.

The criminality and heedlessness of capitalism is more and more on display every day.  Even the controlled corporate media pundits who specialize in ‘normalizing’ this state of affairs are having a hard time convincing ordinary people that this system is tenable…cognitive dissonance abounds.  Since looting is the norm, why would we expect the poor not to loot?  Obama and his Republican cohorts loot Social Security and Medicare on behalf of Wall Street.  Enron execs looted pensions of people who’d worked for years for that money. Looting is the norm in capitalism.  The rich loot from the poor and middle class, and occasionally the poor get fed and do their own looting.

christian86
Jesus did not lay out an apolcalyptic scenario - that is in the fevered imagination of self-appointed Christians would don’t understand the basic gospel message. Jesus also said the we know neither the hour nor the day, that only His Father in heaven knows.
We don’t need to fulfill a war prophecy with fanatical ‘end of day’s hallucinations.

“The Los Angeles riot of 1992, described by author
Lou Cannon as “the nation’s deadliest race riot since
the Civil War.”

But it wasn’t. Nobody really knows for sure how many
Blacks were murdered and otherwise died in the
destruction by Whites of the Greenwood section of
Tulsa, OK, in June, 1921. The State used military
bombers on (black) civilian population, and burned
“the Black Wall Street” to the ground. Officially,
around 30 people were killed; estimates run in three
figures.

The common discourse about such events as these has
undergone an unfortunate abnegation and erasure. 
Until the 1960s, for the previous 150 years, race
riots were ALWAYS conducted BY whites against Blacks.

For those of you not familar with the Bible I offer
you the following from one chapter, Matthew 24.
As Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives his disciples
came to him and ask, “What shall be the sign of
thy coming and the end of the world?”  That’s from
my King James version.  Some Christian scholars
believe it should read, “end of the age” rather than
end of the world. Jesus answered and said, “Take heed
that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my
name and shall deceive many.”  Does that sound like
politicans in Washington?  They like to use the name
of Jesus to secure votes and deceive people. Jesus
went on to say, “You shall hear of wars and rumors
of wars.  Nations shall rise against nations, and
kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines,
and pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.”
We couldn’t hear of wars and rumors of wars until
modern communication systems arrived on the scene.
Jesus continued, “All these are the BEGINNINGS OF
SORROWS.”  I believe we have reached the beginnings
of sorrows phase.  Things are going to get rather
nasty on planet earth.  Jesus continued, “Many false
prohets shall arise, and shall deceive many.”  Most
of you folks don’t watch preachers on television
but I do.  I have also been studying the Bible for
over 30 years, so I know false prophets when they
speak.  Take my word for it.  Radio and television
happen to be overrun by false teachers and prophets
who use the name of Jesus to further their own
private agendas. Some of them use their own name
in the title of their programs.  Be especially wary
of these types.  They are glorifying themselves
using the name of Jesus.  Jesus taught, “Deny yourself and serve others.”  Is putting your name
in the title of your show actually denying yourself?
I think not.  Jesus continued, “This gospel of the
kingdom shall be preached in ALL the world for a
witness unto all nations; and then the end shall
come.”  With modern day advances in communication
we have reached the point where the gospel can be
preached throughout all nations.  I am not a Seventh
Day Adventist but of all the programs I watch the
Seventh Day Adventists come close to preaching the
true gospel on radio and televisiion.  I attend a
messianic congregation which is a church composed
of Jewish and gentile believers who believe Yeshua
is the messiah.  Yeshua is the Hebrew name of Jesus.
I attended messianic congregations while in Jerusalem in 1999.  Jesus continues in Matthew 24:21,
“For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION , such as was
not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no, nor ever shall be.”  As I see developments
occuring throughout the world I believe we are close
to that time Yeshua(Jesus) called the great
tribulation.  There will probably be nuclear wars.
After talking about the great tribulation Jesus
continued, “Except those days should be shortened,
there should no flesh be saved on earth, but for
the elects sake those days shall be shortened.”
We are living in very trying times which are going
to grow so terrible that mankind will wipe themselves off the earth but Jesus returns and stops
it.

@Napolean DoneHisPart
“the hegemony and the mainstream media… it’s a joke.”
I read Truthdig and its major contributors like Chris Hedges precisely because it doesn’t express what you call the ‘mainstream’. Chris doesn’t campaign for either Reps over Dems- considering them to be both equally corrupt in different way. He attacks the very nature of the economic system - that is not mainstream - if you think it is - then you need to read more carefully.

Oh yeah, and as for TruthDig being a decent ‘source’ of truth or information written and edited by its staff or article contributors: WHAT A LAUGH!

The shills who produce what we respond to on here adheres perfectly to the narrative from the hegemony and the mainstream media… it’s a joke.

One case in point:  Read anything Scheer the Shill has ever written regarding 911, and you’ll see what he conveniently omits and what he magnifies… according to the mainstream narrative.

@UreKismet

The problem with rage is that it isn’t usually conducive to clear thinking. What has happened here in the US is that anger has been blindly leveled against the government - and sided with the very politics that only make matters worse - focusing on the deficit and the cutting of services to those very working class people who are acting out.

Remember folks, Ron Paul is a career politico, is affiliated with the Masons… and seems to struggle with a bit of that good ole southern racist / prejudice slant that region of the country still seems to produce.

Lee Oates, I am sure the alphabet community ( gestapo ) has caches on the commentators on here and elsewhere who are not their own.

gerard has a point: we will be judged in this life ( and after for those who believe ) by every word which comes from our mouths / hearts.. and surely big bully brother can now KEEP track of every word typed from someone’s i.p. address, unless that address is somehow hidden….

Which leads me to thank Gabriel for his info on how to help prevent the REAL hackers from hacking further out our rights.  Thanks Gabriel… and btw, my instigating remarks surely ‘sparked’ some thinking it seems and perhaps solutions ( as planned and hoped for ).

RayLan, read last sentence above to Gabriel… funny how the reverse psychology works… we all fall for it every time… but I suggest the plane truth as the weapon of choice, not their obfuscations and empty rhetoric.

For everyone else, the ‘rage against the machine’ part is key: CEASE SUPPORTING THE VERY MECHANISM WHICH ENSLAVE YOU.

Is the purchase of that big screen teevee that important, or the newest whatever?  Every dollar going to a multi-national corporation is another dollar into the coffers of those who subdue the world’s people…

Someone mentioned ignoring the bully.

This can be done by using your own money ( not using their monopoly FED note ).  Folks can create their own notes, their own lines of credit among each other, etc:

To learn more, check this out:

http://www.seacoastnh.com/History/History_Matters/NH_Merchants_Mint_Their_Own_Money/

And to watch and hear a throwback from a prior generation who clearly saw ‘it’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcx9BJRadfw

So sad to see that so many ‘lefties’ are still totally unable to read the mood of the people.  Those who talk of peaceful change and non-violent revolution are missing the point even more than those who try to blame ‘violent video games’ or ‘social media’ for what happened in england this year, Paris in 2009 and most of the norhern hemisphere for the next decade.
People are looting and burning because they are angry, but they won’t be tamed for a good long while yet because politicians of all stripes have consistently let their supporters down.  Most peeps with any real awareness of the world around them have worked out that voting only makes the problems worse, in fact letting any self styled leader anywhere near an issue a person is passionate about is a recipe for disaster.  The issue will be exploited, the person used up and cast aside as the politician tries to make a bid for glory or at least a short sound bite at the the top of the news.

Rage will out and leaders if required will be found from within the ‘movement’ that is raging.  Why would anyone want to get behind any existing politician, since they have all ‘played the game’ to get ahead that includes Paul snr and Kucinich who pose as being outsiders but are just as much sleazy sell yer ass for a vote pols as any others.

As for the so-called looting - well why not? the kids have been told since they could listen that the world is about everyone for themselves and the devil take the hindmost, just as they have been told that their needs can only be met by simultaneously owning as many different contemporaneous consumerist items as possible.
So the kids are going hard grabbing it all.  Soon they will discover something that they weren’t meant to learn until they were wage slaves in hock to their eyeballs for five year old consumerist tatt- that is, owning the shit doesn’t give any satisfaction whatsoever.  The only high that one gets is the fleeting sense of control a consumer has during the act of purchase.  The only way to stay buzzed is to keep buying as fast as possible.

These kids will soon learn that the act of insurrection is the reward of itself, then they will organise themselves around the smartest strategists.
Only then can any sort of political ideal coalesce.
When it does the followers will be at pains to distance themselves from any political solution that tastes like anything on offer before.

“rage against exclusion from consumerist fulfillment.”

Really? You couldn’t find a less obnoxious way to describe deprivation and the anger it creates? Next you’ll be telling us to go to church for some spiritual fulfillment to make up for the gaping hole in our faces.

Yeah it has to be cell phone texting bringing about the riots.  Not the insanely
violent video game sold to kids.

omygodnotagain:

“in Philedelphia, Miami, Iowa and other places flash “Beat Whitey” mobs have attacked people”

Another factor is racial hatred based on our past and present behaviour. In my 72 years I have observed many many incidents of white groups beating up blacks, Native Americans, East Indians, and Latinos, simply because they are not “white”. Now its Muslims. I have seen my Native relatives discriminated against in all aspects of their lives and treated like trash by whites, as well as beaten.

Luckly thats changing over time, and things are a lot better than they were 50-60 years ago. But the results of historical abuse still lingers, and comes to the surface in times of social stress on both sides. With most people the concept of race is becoming a non-problem, hardly worth noticing. But there are still parents who by example or intent teach their children to hate based on skin-colour or religion.

William Mac Adams is right in Philedelphia, Miami, Iowa and other places flash “Beat Whitey” mobs have attacked people.  Unemployment, poverty are part of the story as the article notes, but there are two other big causes
1) Consumerism has become a sacred goal, money is all that matters, true at all levels of society
2) A toxic culture where hateful rap, violent video games like Grand Theft Auto, movies like Ocean 11 have glorified gangsterism

These have to change..

@NapoleanDoneHISpart
“But it sure ‘feel’s like you’re doing something by ranting on here, doesn’t it?”
Ironic statement, coming on a blog to blog about bloggers blogging…

William MacAdams
Thanks for the information.  Technology is one aspect of the problem, but the ethical and legal implications are terrible. There seems to be a slow but steady erosion of the concept of free expression by citizens of North America by its government agencies.

Very interesting comments of late. I knew the shills would come on here and do their manipulation so I omitted the links as a trap.

@D.C.Leslie-Pringle
Yes it was once a great country, so were they all, by the labour of the Working Class. All while the rich and lazy reaped the profits and benefits. Now they have no-one else to abuse so they are imploding. Many had servants to wipe their ass, many still do. Remember this part when you think of “this once great country”.

@Richard_Ralph_Roehl
Lawful Rebellion is not what you think or say it is. Try this link and learn: http://www.lawfulrebellion.org
Peaceful Revolution = boycotting or ignoring those whom perpetrate crimes.
Studies show The worst thing that can happen to an individual, especially a bully, is to evict them from society and yet be all around ‘em. It’s much worse than dropping him/her in the middle of a desert or ocean with only 1 bottle of water. It drives inward with their thoughts and eventually they mentally die.
You do it to youth of today, as the system is doing to them, and they explode.
Examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fAG1lDunfo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnUuZvzV0tk

Result: the Monarchy and super-rich designed it this way.
—-

@William MacAdams
Flash Mob = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob
GET IT RIGHT next time

@Napolean ...
But it’s so much fun shutting up the uneducated or shills with proof

@PatrickHenry
you should know by now Anonymous has proved voting machines are all rigged. Paper ballads with high community involvement are only way to go. Ron Paul will win since PPL are so pissed and Government officials and their backers don’t want to get shot at every turn. LOL

@Lee Oates
True, but there are ways to find out if you’re being spied on. Best is to install Wireshark and learn how to read packets.
Use long range cantenna or small satellite dish for Wireless/Wifi to connect to open AP/s, make sure to setup Tor or some other encrypted privacy software as well. Now see how long it takes for shills to show up or shut down that AP, or even try to nuke your puter. Up here in Canuckland Bell, Rogers and all major ISP’s went ballistic trying to track down Anons. They had their vans & trucks with tracking equipment swarming whole neighborhoods. Cops and other agents doing same until some wise ass started taking tazers to their vehicles and distribution boxes. Shills even tried to shut down every open Wifi within 5km in each area with EM fields.
Videos of such were sent to them with warnings that cops, CEO’s, politicians and even judges were to be arrested under Common Law. Everything went really quiet after that, no more probs.
Now Anons are using Anon AP/s, Wifi relays and bounce servers as well.

I’m wondering when TD will take off all that quanta, google and other tracking junk and install HTTPS to protect it’s users.

I take it these articles are put up here as invitations for agreement or criticism and refutation, based on reason and as accurate a use of language as possible.

When articles come up as “some dangerous thing going to happen”, there’s the choice to agree or disagree, and to state reasons or additional information, citing sources for the assumption if possible.

Articles predicting “riots about to happen here” (for example) raise the danger that in agreeing, the answerer adds weight to the allegation, and to the fear that accompanies the allegation. 

On the other hand, in times of uncertainty and flux, it is impossible to predict accurately whether this or that will happen, or not, and when or where. So such articles are speculations dependent for their validity on more. or less, fact and evidence. 

If alternative actions less destructive than riots (for example) can be suggested, they probably should be, in order to avoid violence and encourage the search for a saner alternative.

Avoiding the use of real names is a way to try to shield the writer from responsibility for what he/she says.  In cases like this, it might be better to avoid pseudonyms and not write anything for which one is not willing to be fully responsible.

The net is a sieve and “hackers” as well as government surveillance agencies are proving that nothing short of being fully responsible is proof of being capable of using electronic communication for the common good. Even government is not fully aware of this yet, let alone billions of individuals all over the world. We do, however, have some evidence that “too much” openness is better than “too much” secrecy. Knowledge is power,and don’t ever forget it.

Cameron’s an idiot - he blamed “bad parenting” for the rioting. Anyone who follows news over the years could see these riots as the anticipated outcome of really bad policy. England was a riot waiting to happen and America is a few hundred riots waiting to happen So far we’ve been lucky with the Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio protests. Riots will continue to happen in England and soon happen here for the same reasons. Instead of going after the bankster criminals they’re listening to the IMF which has done more to hurt the economies of more countries than any single organization in the history of the world.

It not only can happen here, it will happen here - This time instead of going after the stores that rip them off in the ghettos - maybe they’ll figure out that it’s the banksters that have hurt them, that it’s the very wealthy who have bought and paid for congress…. of course then you’ll see the police out in force.

Napolean DoneHisPart:

“I wonder what the ratio of shill / troll to actual commenter is… perhaps one out of every three?”

The question is..I wonder what the ratio of commenter is to Agents of Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, US Army, or half a dozen other such groups listening in, taking names, and attempting to shape opinion, or to suck someone into a situation where they can be charged in the future?  Big brother is watching and making a list of who is naughty or nice.

Wanna see some riots?  Wait till the MSM and rigged voting machines attempt to prevent the candidacy of Ron Paul.

They got away with it last time, this time things are alot worse and the people are much more wary.

Americans are tired kabuki government.

Chris Herz said, “It will be fun to see President Obama and Prime Minister Cameron shutting down the Internet and the social media, following the lead of Hosni Mubarak and Bashar Assad.  If we do not now know where we stand, we certainly will then.”

It’s already starting!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/12/world/europe/12iht-social12.html?sq=cameron&st=cse&scp=2&pagewanted=print

I wonder what the ratio of shill / troll to actual commenter is… perhaps one out of every three?

What a waste of time and energy writing on this rag of website.

After all, most of you will simply keep shopping at your favorite multi-national corporation ( for the deals ).. and keep paying your tribute ( in the obvious and not-so-obvious ways ) to those who further your slavery….

But it sure ‘feel’s like you’re doing something by ranting on here, doesn’t it?

The author has not been paying attention: violent mini-riots
have been happening all over the U.S. recently, having evolved from the whimsical, peaceful flash mobs.  This metamorphosis is still referred to as a flash mob (check YouTube for footage of these small riots) but more properly should be referred to as a flash riot.

Mr. Boyarsky isn’t paying attention.  Rioting—on a smaller scale—has already begin in the U.S.  The whimsical, non-violent flash mobs have metamorphosed into violent mini-riots and have occurred numerous times all over the country in the last year.

It’s only when the actual people rioting hold the
political lives of seated politicians in their hands
that those politicians are moved to even listen to the
complaints of the rioters.

As yet, the propertied class is not rioting in the
streets - in fact it’s doing just fine economically.

Richard Ralph Roehl:  You suggest:  “Look at history with a candid eye.”  That’s all well and good, but you won’t see much beyond violence, pain and death.
My suggestion:  Look toward the future with a candid eye.

One of the commentators here used the term: “lawful rebellion.” I sort of laugh at that.

When you actually stop to think about it, there’s really no such thing as a “lawful rebellion” or a “peaceful revolution”. Rebellions and revolutions are seeded from anger and rage against ruling class misbehavior… and they are INHERENTLY violent. This is a sobering reality that idealists prefer to not discuss.

Look at history with a candid eye, and you will see that EVERY rebellion and revolution against a paradigm and/or the ruling class was met with resistance… and some form of extreme violence. The civil rights movement, for instance, was frought with terrible violence… that included the gnashing teeth of police dogs, water cannons, beatings, murders, assassinations, arson, bombings, etc.

You want change? You want revolution? Then WE THE PEOPLE… will have to make all the roads unsafe for limousines and Ferrari $ports cars. Prominent business leaders, banksters, celebrities and politicians will have to be targeted for assassination. The infrastructure (bridges, dams, government buildings, railroad tracks, pipelines, transportation conveyances, power stations, etc.) will have to be targeted for bombings and arson from Joe Stack lone wolves and Timothy McVeigh guerrilla cells. We will have to stop supporting the damn troop-dupes in Iraq-nam… and the ethno-racist apartheid ‘theocrazy’ of Israel.

“It certainly could, just as it has in the past.” - sigh

Americans have nobody to blame but themselves - they voted for the deficit hawks - they swallowed the simple-minded fallacy that the jobless economy is the government’s fault so the government has to re-trench.
Nobody will dare countenance that it is rabid unregulated Wall Street practices that plunged us into this downturn. The stupidity of believing that jobs are scarce because of the Social Security and Medicare that will have to be paid decades from now.
The claimed insolvency of social services is just draining the country - of course the expensive stupid wars have no such impact. So the anti-intellectual thug culture has reaped its rewards. It’s unfortunate that the world economy is so dependant on it. But reality has shown that bigger is not better.

@Palindromedary

Thank you very much for this Black Eagle Trust fund link. We’re scouring 2k+ websites per day and still learning new things about past from ppl.

Answer is: YES! There will be those lost souls that will riot and then some. And that’s exactly what US government, Oligarchs, super-rich and Monarchy want. Then they can justify all those Trillions in Arms.

Get smart and learn: They have been using Religion, their power structures, money system and media as tools to enslave and/or divide and conquer. DON’T FALL FOR IT.

You have the Right to create your own Communities, your own Money systems, hire and oath Peace Officers, protect yourselves and your families, arrest those whom commit crimes and bring them to court in front of Jury of Your Peers.

You have the Right to expose them [cameras and documents work best], to boycott Oligarchs and everything they created. By default this will send them back into the Sea where they came from.

How? They can’t survive if they don’t have the workers to make and grow produce to keep them alive. It’s a war of attrition and smarts. The people of the world are learning at an exponential rate, creating groups and finding solutions outside of schooled and forced systems.

You can’t fight their industrial military complex and ultimately their 90,000 nukes so you need to find better solutions.

If you’re not connected to them directly by blood you are considered by them as workers / “slaves” / “fertilizer” [that’s in their own words, leaked from their meetings via their servants].

It doesn’t matter what nationality your are or what culture you come from, this thing is going Global, it is Global. The sooner your see this the sooner you will prepare and be part of Common cause = Common People Peaceful Lawful Revolution.

Another words: the only thing you can do is be an example for your kids, friends, neighbors and communities on how to fight fascism.

Their scrip says there will be war / Armageddon starting in Middle East. Do you want such to happen? Do you want to participate in it and be part of it?

Another part of their script says Jews and Muslims will start it, fight each other to almost extinction. Then China will start walking [literally] towards Europe and decimate everything in it’s path til they overrun Europe and most of Africa.

China had over 1,500 violent protests in last 2 yrs. But you don’t see that on Mainscream Media. So you are not alone in the anger department. But China also has the biggest standing army on Earth. Now that’s big problem if you don’t connect with Chinese people and make them your friends.

USA has a lot of enemies across the Americas, especially it’s own people. If that’s not enough US military and business system is the most hated on Earth.

Canadians are no exception. In general we hate Harper, Bush, Obama and the boys just as much as thieves and murderers. They have done more harm to environment, finance, and everything else by playing buddy buddy with US government and corporations than previous 2,000 yrs of rule combined.

Passive Canadians? HA! There are more guns and ammo per capita in Canada than anywhere else on Earth. They might not be fully automatic but most have long range scopes. We are just sitting back and waiting for the big one. And the Oligarchs know it.

So wake up all you so-called Americans because you’re not alone. We are ALL getting royally screwed by the same super-rich, conniving, abusive, habitual gambling, drug pushing idiots. Once that stock market crashes, as it will, it’s the People against the Oligarchs ... Globally!

Prepare Prepare and Prepare some more. Pick a side and hope it’s the right one ... Your life and your family’s depends on it. I tend to think 6.8 BILLION people against 50 Million Oligarchs [with their followers included], maybe as low as 100,000 globally once everyone realizes how badly they got played, are pretty good numbers for the People to win.

Let the Lawful Rebellion Begin.

Are they going to burn down the rich people’s houses first?

Quote from Michael James Barker in a discussion of a Waging Non-Violence.org website article:Max Boot praises Gene Sharp and Peter Ackerman
by Eric Stoner | February 24, 2011, 1:27 pm

“I agree that overthrowing repressive governments and replacing them with actual democracy would be nice. Indeed, it would be great if there was a nonviolent revolution in the United States to oust what is certainly the most repressive government in the world. (This would certainly solve a lot of problems in the rest of the world which are related to repressive governments.) My main problem is only that groups and individuals working hand-in-hand with the US government’s attempts to promote humanitarian imperialism should be identified for what they really are, imperial collaborators, and quickly disowned by progressive activists seeking to promote a more just and equitable world.”

note: Max Boot, is a hawk and outspoken advocate for military force…according to the article. So why would he praise the non-violent actions of Sharp and Ackerman?

http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/02/max-boot-praises-gene-sharp-and-peter-ackerman/

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/black_eagle_trust_fund

As Michael Hudson, the economist at michael-hudson.com points out…warfare is becoming an outmoded form of taking over and owning other countries. It is currently being done economically.

And as John Perkins, author of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, he shows us how the World Bank, IMF, USAID, and other global financial institutions wage economic war on these countries.

We are just seeing the end results of years of abuses by these financial groups when, just as third world countries have been squeezed into austerity, the rest of the world is now being squeezed the same way. I’m afraid that the only result will be massive violence against the ruling structure.  It will fall apart and hopefully, just as the Egyptians have Hosni Mubarak sitting in a cage, we will have corrupt elected leaders and corrupt institutional leaders sitting in small steel cages…like the greedy, self-serving animals they are.

Gerard: #4: I wonder what Gene Sharp, Peter Ackerman, Max Boot, Jack Duvall would all think about internally subverting the undemocratic Fascist regime that has taken over America. From what I have gathered these people are all connected in some way with the exploitative and corrupt regime that is currently screwing Americans out of their jobs, investments, savings, homes, etc. and taking away their liberties. They hide behind fake liberal institutions just like an FBI infiltrator sneaks into a suspected peace group to spy on them…and subvert them from within their groups. For instance Peter Ackerman got wealthy being Michael Milkens right hand man and created both Unity08 and now it’s called Americans Elect…under the guise that they are non-partisan of any political party…and prey on unsuspecting people (voters) with their anti two-party message…feeding on the mass discontent that the two party system has engendered. Do a search on all of these guys and see the relationships, their associations.  Ackerman also is part of a right wing think tank that wants to privatized social securtity…as if it wasn’t enough for the Wall Street gangs to loot America with high stakes gambling in housing and banking…they want to get their grubby hands on our social security.  People need to wake up as to who these people are!!!  Just because they are head of, or even part of, liberal and peace sounding names doesn’t mean they really want peace. They want to overthrow other governments by subverting them from within…because it is cheaper than war…they want to overthrow and make other countries our useful idiots. Makes me wonder if these people are not also trying, and succeeding, in covertly subverting the majority of hard working Americans so that the wealthy can turn us all into serfs or peons begging for crumbs.

1.  Don’t wait till “the frustration is too much to bear” and then “erupt.”
2.  Work locally with people you know to find out, ask question, get a sense of nonaggressive, cooperative commitment among people who, though they may have disagreements, are willing to work together to agree to achieve a common goal approached in open, friendly ways.  Build a spirit of common understanding, not only among friend, but (equally as important!) among opponents wherever possible.
Integrity is a key element. Minimize threat. Be open and above-board. Cultivate open press and police relations.
3.  After even the smallest action, evaluate all results, good and not so good, frankly. Learn from mistakes;  don’t blame others.
Holding to original nonviolent methods, build trust and mutual appreciation of differences wherever possible. Don’t give energy to angers, frustrations, attempts at sabotage, and discouragement. Move toward the next goal together. Don’t be naive.
4.  Study the works of Gene Sharp (and others) in detail to understand why nonviolence works, when it does, and why it fails when it fails. Use the experience of people who have worked nonviolently for change in interracial, peace and justice groups in the recent past.  Teach each other. Care for each other. (Albert Einstein Institute) (American Friends Service Committee) (Catholic Worker) (Fellowship of Reconciliation)(college Peace Studies departments) (Alternatives to Violence Programs in schools and prisons)
5. Nobody knows “how to” do these things. The learning occurs in the experience itself.  Whatever, don’t respond even to violence with counter-violence. It just expands the problem.
6. Suffering and abuse may occur, but it isn’t as likely to be as ferocious as when violence is resisted with counter-violence. 
7. It’s all new open territory. Study present Middle East movements in detail. Nobody can predict anything for sure, All we know is that violence does not work well. It only reinforces more violence. Non-violence is being tried more widely than ever before in the history of the world. Help it grow if you can.
8 Admittedly it’s very different from common S/R behavior, more nuanced, more complicated, more original. Asks a lot. Promises nothing,—except
faith in the future of the human spirit.
(This is the best answer I know.  I also know it is
insufficient.  I apologize for that.  If I could do better, I would. Others, please feel free.)

The government will than increase the turmoil by adapting Fascist responses and the suppression of basic rights.  The right-wing will support those actions as long as they don’t effect White Anglo-Saxon Protestants (wasp’s). We will blame Blacks, Indians, Asians, the Muslims, Communist, Illegal immigrants, Latino’s in general, Gays, Welfare recipients, and the women’s movement.

It is much simpler here on Truthdig, where the blame has long been assigned to conservatives and Christians before the crime is even committed. You have your scapegoat tagged ahead of time.

It pays to plan ahead.

Oh YEAH!

Certainly it will happen here.  Cutting social programs, denying the need for an effective medical system, high unemployment, raising food and gas prices, environmental disasters, and the constant reminder of the contrast between the rich and the poor, will set off riots and possibly urban revolution.

The government will than increase the turmoil by adapting Fascist responses and the suppression of basic rights.  The right-wing will support those actions as long as they don’t effect White Anglo-Saxon Protestants (wasp’s). We will blame Blacks, Indians, Asians, the Muslims, Communist, Illegal immigrants, Latino’s in general, Gays, Welfare recipients, and the women’s movement.  We will support the interest of the rich and the corporations that run this country.
Revolution? ....most likely.

How embarrassing for the leftish “Guardian,” sounding more like the WSJ on its
loony editorial page:

“The riots are a product of the lives which the rioters choose or feel constrained
to live.”

Yeah, those damnable deadbeats, and so of course it’s more “complex” while
explanation is too “glib.”

I too observed what I prefer to call the LA uprising and not “riots.” Close-up
enough I was invited to leave one location lest I find my white butt in a nasty
sling. I took, as I appreciated, the man’s advice just after observing some guys
wearing blue bandanas torch a strip mall on Pico Boulevard from the alley
behind, while others were carting out goods through the front doors, obviously
broken in. I returned to look the next day at ruins. (Not that I missed the strip
mall, since who would miss a strip mall?)

Unlike “Guardian-WSJ” editors, I had no problem understanding any of it or rather
all of it. Made perfect sense to me, though I’d not have set fires myself, which
might only mean I’m too chickenshit. Nor would I loot, possibly for the same
reason.

Whether I was or wasn’t, mayhem ended up on no use in the end, as all learned.
Not much has changed in LA since, except more closures, particularly of
healthcare facilities, including many hospitals, especially in minority areas, and more
factories too. And there are even fewer jobs available by now.

Heard today the Post Office is planning a big lay-off (mass firing in non-Orwell
speak). Course none of this has ever or will ever register in Iowa cornfields,
where low-life has been spotted pretending America is really something else,
including Romney claiming corporations are people too. (What a swell guy, huh?
What a heart! Spoiled frat boy!)

Meanwhile, Bachmann argued with Pawlenty over who’s the more heartless and
therefore more American. None of these people knows what a job is because
none has ever held one, except perhaps during a summer off college for a
month or two. Most, including the Randy Mr. Paul, have been living off the
public tit for most of their too-fat lives.

Certainly what’s happening in Britain, specifically England, could well happen
here before too much longer. If so, what will result will be the states’ national
guards cracking heads, unless they get a clue and decide instead of cracking
heads to lead toward some constructive conclusion. (Not holding my breath,
anymore than in the case of the Egyptian military, which I think is probably
more enlightened than our own various military.)

But how about that for a real choice? A real one, not the phony one claimed by
“Guardian” editorialists. Here’s the “complex issues” part in a sentence: A
thieving upper class in collusion with its political employees has been stealing
everything for way too long and then asking those who do actual labor to pay
their way.

I’m always reading or hearing of the nature of human nature, and what I read
and hear is almost invariably mistaken—actually more excuse than accurate
description. “Oh well, just human nature, people acting crazy and so on and so
forth; nothing to be done.”

Burning and looting, or at least burning, is an emotional expression of the most
extreme frustration in the face of futile efforts to make a difference by other
means. Humans are well known to be rational creatures, usually with a
constructive plan. When that is thwarted by the truly delusional and the truly
criminal—in possession of power, ill-gotten or not—what results on the part of
those thwarted cannot possibly surprise any still rational and innately moral
human being.

The powerful always make what is simple complicated and what is complicated
simple. That’s part of the strategy, and even farmers in Iowa ought (and indeed do)
know that much. So why are they even listening to the loons in cornfields?

There will likely be no change in policy until riots break out.  The oligarchs are not listening.  What other options are left for desperate people?

Young and Frustrated

You seem determined to remain young and frustrated. I’ll proffer that many of us are frustrated; how could we not be? It’s how we deal with that frustration that is important. Of the options available to us are being apathetic, resorting to violence, and becoming non-violently politically active, one of these courses of action seems to be the most rational and hold the most promise for bringing positive change, take your pick. I suspect that you’ll pick apathy, in deed, that, and violence, would be wrong choices by my appraisal.

Napoleon: Makes sense considering the recent paths things have taken. A handy False Flag redirects blame and opens a lot of doors. Nero burned and cleared a lot of substandard real estate that way and so did the Reichstag fire.

Gerard,

As much as it pains me to admit, you’re generally right about everything.

So what to do when the frustration is too much to bear?  I know you will try to
offer a nonviolent solution, but they always seem so dissatisfying.

Any answers that seem more realistic than election reform or a more educated
population?

I default to the wisdom that comes with your experience and sound
interpretations of world events.

Sincerely,
Young and Frustrated

A word to the wise:  Violence is easily used to justify more repression and more violence.