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Posted on Oct 11, 2010
AP / Hussein Malla

Huge posters of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are printed in a shop in suburban Beirut ahead of the Iranian leader’s three-day visit.

By Juan Cole

We’re thrilled to announce the return to Truthdig of Juan Cole, an old friend who was featured in our first issue and helped forge our mission. The past decade has been defined by the West’s relationship with the Middle East. There is no more respected scholar of that region than Juan, whose writing has brought sanity and insight to a public discourse so often shaped by ignorance and misinformation. Look for Juan’s column every other Tuesday on Truthdig and be sure to visit his hub for more.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Middle East’s populist answer to the American tea party, has stirred controversy with his trip to Lebanon, which will begin Wednesday. He is planning to visit villages in southern Lebanon on the border with Israel that have been rebuilt with Iranian aid after Israeli incursions and wars, the last in 2006. Ahmadinejad’s theatrical politics often make him a laughingstock, but his trip is intended to make the serious point that Tehran can stand up to Western sanctions and thwart attempts to box the Islamic Republic in.

Ahmadinejad is a major thorn in the side of U.S. President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. Iran rejects the legitimacy of Israel, one of the pillars of American policy in the Middle East (though Ahmadinejad has never actually threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the map, a charge based on a mistranslation). Iran supports nativist paramilitaries such as that of Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza and the Badr Corps in Iraq. Most seriously, Iran is pursuing the enrichment of uranium, which it says is for civilian power generation. The U.S. and Israel, however, fear the program could end up being dual-use and result in, at the least, the ability to assemble a nuclear warhead on short notice. 

Iran, despite draconian U.N. and U.S. sanctions, remains a major player in the region. Shiite Iran has just rallied the Shiite religious parties in Iraq to support its favored candidate for prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki of the Islamic Mission Party. Syria and Turkey have warm relations with the Ahmadinejad government. Even Egypt has just announced a resumption of direct flights between Cairo and Tehran.

Ahmadinejad’s trip to Lebanon was denounced as destabilizing by Israel and clearly is unwelcome to the United States, which fears it will result in an arms deal between Beirut and Tehran. Ahmadinejad will meet with all the leading Lebanese politicians. Most controversially, the Iranian president will visit Shiite villages right on the border with Israel that have suffered repeated Israeli incursions and were occupied for nearly two decades by the Israeli military. Hezbollah fighters, with Iranian backing, waged a successful guerrilla war against Israeli occupation, resulting in the first Israeli retreat under fire from territory it had seized in war.

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Ahmadinejad has just pledged to invest nearly half a billion dollars in Lebanon’s electricity and water systems to aid the economy, which has grown 8 percent this year and has made impressive strides in rebounding from the disastrous effects of the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah War. Iran is a major backer of the Hezbollah Party, though it does not need Tehran to function. Hezbollah is a bona fide Lebanese political party and is part of the current national unity government, with two Cabinet seats and influence over policy. Its small paramilitary of a few thousand fighters, backed by an arsenal of small rockets, has been recognized by the Lebanese government as a sort of national guard for the south of the country. A crisis between Hezbollah and the government of the Sunni Muslim prime minister, Saad Hariri, looms, since a tribunal may blame Hezbollah operatives for the 2005 assassination of the prime minister’s father, Rafiq Hariri. Ahmadinejad may hope to broker an agreement that would forestall civil conflict between Shiites and Sunnis.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah unrealistically credits Iran’s aid alone with Lebanon’s impressive economic rebound since the 2006 Israeli war on the small country. (Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Europe all played important roles here, as did the resilient tourism sector.) He says that Ahmadinejad declined to grandstand on that aid, however, quoting the Iranian president as saying, “I do not want to make the Lebanese feel they are indebted to Iran,” and, “we are the ones who must thank the Lebanese for their perseverance and for the resistance and for the great victory ...” that they bestowed on the Muslim world by resisting Israel in 2006. Israel was widely criticized for deploying disproportionate force when it mounted a massive bombing campaign on all of Lebanon and its infrastructure in response to a border skirmish with Hezbollah fighters that had left Israeli soldiers dead.

Iran’s ability to thumb its nose at the U.S., Israel and Western Europe is rooted in its vast petroleum and natural gas reserves. After a difficult 2009 because of the world economic crisis, oil prices are up 15 percent in 2010 on Asian demand. The long-term impact of the new U.N. sanctions approved June 9 is questionable. South Korea has just found a way to sidestep the effect of the sanctions on its exports to the Islamic Republic. China has paid virtually no attention to the U.S. sanctions though it has slightly reduced its dependence on Iranian petroleum over the past year. Turkey, which, like South Korea, does $10 billion a year in commerce with Iran, is openly defiant of the U.N. and U.S. sanctions, and intends to triple its foreign trade with the Islamic Republic over the next five years. Turkey has successfully negotiated a free trade zone with Lebanon, and is seeking to expand it to Jordan and Syria, and Iran will likely benefit from this European Union-like Middle Eastern trade bloc as well. 

The first visit of a president of the Islamic Republic to Beirut signals that neither the U.S. nor Israel is hegemonic in the region, and that Iran is willing to brave even a Spartan existence under sanctions for the sake of its independence and its projection of influence in the Middle East. Right wing Christian critics of Ahmadinejad’s trip charge Tehran with attempting to signal that Iranian territory extends into southern Lebanon. But many long-suffering southern Lebanese hope Ahmadinejad will show Israel the new limits of its power.

Juan Cole, the Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of History at the University of Michigan, maintains the blog Informed Comment. His most recent book, just out in paperback, is “Engaging the Muslim World.” 


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By moonraven, October 18, 2010 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

Napoleon:

Apology accepted.

Broaden your view:  read Ward Churchill.

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By Shingo, October 17, 2010 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

Arabian Sinbad,

You need to calm down. 

Of course Ahmadinejad is a clown.  He plays to his base like all politicians.  Bush was also elected twice by his people.  Are you going to tell me he was a serious politician?

I was addressing arguments both you and ITW were making with regard to Ahmadinejad’s influence in the region.  I will agree that I wasn’t very precise with my reference to an anti Western Revolution, but in any case, Ahmadinejad isn’t going to inspire anything or anyone.

I think we’d all agree that a revolution against the American-puppet regimes in the Middle East would be good for the people of that region, but when it comes (At it will) it will be a result of a US backed attack on a state like Iran.

I wasn’t tampering with your words, just scrutinizing your logic and your grip on reality.

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By Arabian Sinbad, October 17, 2010 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

By Shingo, October 17 at 9:54 pm

“Yes Ahmedenijad is a clown, but he’s harmless, as is Chavez, who you laughingly insist is “tyrannical” even though he has been democratically elected half a dozen times.”

“I think Arabian Sinbad is really stretching the bounds of believability to suggest that Ahmedenijad could ever inspire an anti Western Revolution in the region.”
=====================================================Shingo!

What is your proof that Ahmadinejad is a clown? And whose clown is he considering that he was elected twice by his people?!

I also think that you’re the one who’s stretching the bounds of honest discourse when you attribute to me words I didn’t use; for nowhere I used the words that “Ahmadinejad could inspire an anti Western Revolution in the region,” as you aloud yourself to tamper with my words.

What I said was a hopeful wish that he could inspire a revolution against the American-puppet regimes in the Middle East. There is a big difference between what I said and what you attributed to me as saying! Iran is not at war with the whole “West” as implied by your words, whatever the word “West” means in your dictionary!

Your problem, Shingo, is that that somehow, somewhere, you let it get to your head that you might be the final arbiter on understanding and judging not only the political players in the Middle East, but also the usage of the English language!

Please be thoughtful next time before you allow yourself to be so judgmental and tamper with other posters’ words!

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By Shingo, October 17, 2010 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind,

I think you ‘re going to have to get over the idea that people are supposed to automatically love Israel, and that there is something wrong with them if they don’t.  Some people simply don’t care one way or the other, and nor are they obliged to.

Yes Ahmedenijad is a clown, but he’s harmless, as is Chavez, who you laughingly insist is “tyrannical” even though he has been democratically elected half a dozen times. 

I think Arabian Sinbad is really stretching the bounds of believability to suggest that Ahmedenijad could ever inspire an anti Western Revolution in the region. 

I totally agree that the US and Iran and Israel and Iran are natural allies, and things might have improved all around even before 911.  Trita Parsi documented how the Israeli leadership recognized that the hyperbole about Iran was being counter productive, and that Israel moderated it’s policies towards Iran considerably.  The problem was that Bibbi feared that this could lead to the US becoming more friendly with Iran, which might lead to diminished support for Israel, so he returned to the fear warmongering stance.

It’s easy to blame the Bush administration for f***ing up, but neither Obama nor Clinton would have been allowed to improve relations with Iran.  Foreign policy is still in the hands of the war party, who loves to foster enmity.

Ahmedenijad’s appeal in Iran is slim, and mostly inspired by Western aggression, and certainly of no consequence beyond Iran.  The popularity he enjoys is not because of what he has to say, but who the state he represents, Iran.

What amazes me is that in spite of our best efforts, (ie. generating reasons for Iran to detest us), Iran still want to make peace with us. Of course, the fact they are not willing to grovel is taken as evidence of hostility and intransigence by those who are looking for any reason to start a conflict.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 17, 2010 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

OMG moonraven, I did think twice after forwarding you that video and saying what I said…. I think you’ve taken it the wrong way… you are right, my limited world view still is limited.. and I was trying to share with you the reality of continued colonization of ANY people around the world… as what happened on THIS land ( this whole continent ) and the progression of history under the rule of law cloaked as slavery by-way of the dole.

I was trying to add to the understanding of the oppression STILL evident today, yet so subtle and lingering beneath the sub-conscience.

My deepest apologies for raising any concern in your heart whether I was patronizing or simply attempting a good intention out of a man’s typical ignorance… sorry :(

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By moonraven, October 17, 2010 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

Sorry for the typo:  belligerantly

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By moonraven, October 17, 2010 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

I don’t write “stupid crap”, although in the case of nelligerantly stupid people maybe I could consider giving them some of their own poison. 

Only a complete dolt would assume that because someone lives in Mexico, that they are Mexican.  Ever hear of “snowbirds”?  Last I checked that was a reference to old gringos—and not by Carlos Fuentes.

And only a complete dolt would accuse someone of misleading him because he is unable to connect even the simplest sequence of dots.

Napoleon:

Please do not patronize or condescend to me.  I am happy and I have never suffered because of my native identity—except by the proximity of hypocritical whites who assumed I was one of them because I look white.

I do not post here to make friends, but to speak my truth.  It’s a take it or leave it proposition.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 17, 2010 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

Thanks, Nap. Adopting is a very rewarding experience.  My only advice to you is, in short, “Know thyself”.
Look inside and ask yourself honestly what you can and cannot take on.
Some want an infant to avoid the issues of older kids having a “history” to cope with.
Some want an older kid to avoid the issues of a baby.
Some want to care for a “special needs” kids.
Some cannot face handling a “special needs” kid.
“Special needs” can range from a simple deformed hand or reparable cleft palate, to Downs Syndrome, autism or cerebral palsy.
Some don’t care WHAT the ethnicity of the kid is.
Some really need for the kid’s ethnicity to be close to their own.
Some want to feel like they are doing a good deed.
Some want to feel like they are simply having a baby via alternate means.

You cannot violate your inner truth or you and your child will be miserable and you court disaster.  Only you know what that truth is.  If you honor it, you will find your adopted child is as much a part of you as your flesh-and-blood child and you feel no differently about either (we have both.)

I actually entered this discussion with serious points.  I was then attacked and insulted by Moonroven for no good reason other than I disagreed with her blinding-hate assessment.  RD’s non-contribution is irrelevant.

I was actually hoping Arabian Sinbad, with whom I’ve often crossed swords would provide one of his better and sharper insights on my POV, whether he agreed with me or not.  Instead I got stupid crap from Moonroven.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 17, 2010 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

Folks…. come on now.

This is what happens when only reading words from one to another… for the audible expressing inflection, nuance and all is absent.

Still, one can pick up notions of hatred, anger, bitterness, etc…. not everyone can, but some can.. from written / typed words.

And, with that said, some others know well how to fill their words with ammunition and lay people flat on their backs.

Let’s come from the point of LOVE right now for a moment, prior to submitting your next key stroke, please!?

It is so highly honorable and noble of you ITW to have adopted someone from a place of great challenges as you state you did.  I love you for that, and I’m am so encouraged, impressed and inspired… you just don’t know… that has been something that I believe GOD has dropped on my conscience and heart to do in life… and to hear you have done so…. I now believe my heart can do so too.  Thanks.

And MoonRaven ( I missed the ‘n’ at the end of your name in my previous post not on purpose, yet my apologies ).

Reading where you state you are from simply brings things into more clarity for everyone involved, and shows how much we are SIMILAR, and dare I say, can not only sympathize, empathize and also realize that we have a common beat reverberating throughout ourselves… but can appreciate how all of stories make up one big story… showing us on this side of the planet for a reason and its up to us to find the REAL reason, not argue from where we’ve been put by our surroundings, social codes and upbringing… no matter how much parents tried… all of our blood runs red… yet we are bound by more than mere words on a Constitution, or a pledge to some symbolism flag… but we are bound by something MORE evident.

We can learn so much from one another, if we can only break away from the still lingering conditioning we received in the educational systems of the Roman Colonialism…

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By Inherit The Wind, October 17, 2010 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

Moonraven:

I don’t give a damn what you are.  You led us to believe you were Mexican.  I guess mis-leading is part of what you do.

I was trained in diplomatic history so I know how to read the situation, the geography, and look beyond the official history.  I really don’t care where you’ve been because it is clear that other than calling people names, you have no competence whatsoever at understanding international relations.

It’s really simple for you: You hate Israel, you hate the nation you claim to be a citizen of, and you will support any shithead and any idiot who challenges either—thus your fantabulous support of the clownish Ahmedenijad and the truly tyrannical Hugo Chavez.

BTW, Ms “He’s a Gringo” (about as nice a term as “spic” or “redskin” or the N-word), my younger child is as Native American as you are, maybe more, being a Mayan from the mountains of Guatemala, so don’t fling your birth background at me.

RD: You are full of it I’m not wasting more time on you.  Go back on your meds.

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By ardee, October 17, 2010 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

Ardee:
There is finally only one response for you: STFU, already!  (and go back on your meds).

A real adult would have understood, from the first ITW , that the REAL response would have been to answer the charges I leveled against the party to which you give what increasingly appears to be an irrational loyalty based upon nothing but a mental aberration.

That you seemingly cannot respond excepting with personal attack, to which I gladly give right back atcha, makes your loyalties meaningless. But, as I mentioned before, personal attacks are your bete noir…that I am prone to respond in kind is my own failing I readily admit, but then ,when one loses all respect for such as you, as I have done, insult in response to insult becomes far too easy.

moonraven, October 17 at 1:17 pm

I doubt we will agree upon all things here, but one hopes we may disagree sans rancor when we do. On the problems of “that poster” I fear we do agree, so sad for him.

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By John Eadie, October 17, 2010 at 10:59 am Link to this comment
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Shingo you are right that Hariri himself doubts the
tribunal, and suspects Israel.  But that won’t stop
possible Sunni-Shiite strife that may ensure regardless
(Saudi sponsored types always looking for a fight for
example), so Cole has a point.  I find his reporting to
be a little *too* even-handed, but fairly good in it’s
completeness.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 17, 2010 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

MoonRave, thanks for sharing and for saying that lol!!!!!

Have you ever heard of what this documentary showcases?

It is VERY powerful and cuts to the heart… so please be careful watching it… yet it is true and a historical focal point which has been omitted much like every other HIGH CRIME of the patrician class.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6637396204037343133#

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By moonraven, October 17, 2010 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

ardee:  He’s a typical ignorant, whiny gringo that, as we say in Mexico—although I am not a Mexican male, but a Native American woman from Quebec who also happens to be a US citizen—only talks because he has a mouth.

And now he expects me, a person who is paid to travel around the planet giving conferences and creating university programs, a geography lesson.

Hell, when I was 5 years old I spent my time reading enormous atlases and knew world geography better than the back of my then-unlined hand!

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 17, 2010 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

Play nice children… after all, this is a breeding ground for thought, fruitful discourse and solid solutions… isn’t it?

Bueller?

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By Inherit The Wind, October 17, 2010 at 7:07 am Link to this comment

moonraven, October 16 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment

Inherit:

I see you feel qualified to pontificate on yet another region of the planet you can’t find on an unmarked world map.

Give it a rest.

Ignorant, uninformed, opiniated gringos are a dime a gross.
***********

And you know this because…You are part of the Mexican “Intelligentsia”?  The folks who run your nation SO well?  Who hypocritically bitch about how Mexican illegals are treated in the US while treating Guatemalan illegals at your Southern border EXACTLY THE SAME WAY (if not worse)?

Yeah, I don’t know geography….so how many nations are between Iran and Israel, what language(s) do they speak, what ethnic group(s) are they, and what sect of their religion are they?  And what are all those same characteristics of Israel and Iran?

Answer those questions, Mr. Wizard, and tell me again I don’t know what I’m talking about.

Ardee:
There is finally only one response for you: STFU, already!  (and go back on your meds).

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By ardee, October 17, 2010 at 4:44 am Link to this comment

moonraven, October 16 at 9:25 pm

OOOH now you’ve done. He will surely run to mommy ( the administrators) and complain abut the mean person demanding facts to back opinion and an end to sarcastic and childish nonsense he thinks of as brilliant repartee…..

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By opit, October 16, 2010 at 10:45 pm Link to this comment
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Some truth showed through all the ‘yelling’.
TruthDig is a ‘supposedly progressive’ site the same
way Juan Cole is an improvement over some commenters
: John Bolton comes to mind.
Ahmadinejad has constantly been mistranslated and
painted a laughingstock. It’s no trick for a man who
doesn’t speak your language to be portrayed a fool.
Quotes from President Ahmadinejad of Iran
http://ahmadinejadquotes.blogspot.com/
Full text of Iran’s letter of complaint to the UN
over US threats of nuclear attack
http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?
q=node/9806
“1945-1998” by Isao Hashimoto
http://www.ctbto.org/specials/1945-1998-by-isao-
hashimoto/
Anyone who watches that last clip and promotes the
trope about Russia providing Iran the wherewithal to
make WMD under a program insuring it doesn’t better
be prepared to be laughed out of the house as a
complete liar and dolt.

Do you know CASMII ? It’s a very good source exposing
the lies promoted against Iran.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 16, 2010 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

It’s so funny:
I’ve been agreeing with Arabian Sinbad on so many things.  I’m not sure I can agree with him on Ahmedenijad, but I actually think he’s not the problem he’s made out out to be—more like a very loud, but very small dog.

However, on a much more serious point: Our relations with Iran have been bad since the fall of the Shah.  Much of this is our fault, some is their fault, as in most things in life.

But even this not important.  Relations between the two nations had quietly been easing and improving bit by bit, glacially, but consistently. 

Then came 9/11.

Here was THE great opportunity to heal the breach:  Iran, which detested both the Taliban and Al Qaeda made an amazing and astonishing and generous offer to aid the US in its pursuit of the attackers of 9/11!  Any sane, sensible, intelligent and even vaguely moral regime would have JUMPED at the chance!

Instead in January of 2002, George W. Bush made his “Axis of Evil” speech labeling Iran as part of that Axis.  I remember screaming at the TV “NO! NO! NO!!!”  He didn’t just ignore the hand held out in peace—he pissed in it!

It has long been my contention that the US and Iran and Israel and Iran are natural allies.  Iran’s interests are VERY close to ours, but our leaders—especially Bush, has f***ed up every chance to make things better.  Israel, too, has f***ed up every chance to improve relations with Iran.  Is it any wonder they elected an Ahmedenijad?

Here’s where I disagree with AS.  I think Ahmedenijad is a loud, ignorant fool.  But because he’s loud and (apparently) fearless, like a Sarah Palin he is seen as a hero.  But because his control of facts and the truth is about as good as Sarah Palin’s, he scares the shit out of people just the way she does.

But the basic point: Why do we fear Iran? is a good one.  We fear Iran because we keep generating reasons for Iran to detest us.

If you check my posts over the last several years you’ll see this view of Iran has been pretty much unchanged, only more refined as time passes.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 16, 2010 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Ahmadinejad is not the person to blame, he is a pawn, the very best they can muster ‘under the circumstances’ just like over here, is it not?

Much like the idea of these two words:

DIRECT DEMOCRACY

Which to me means: You can pick up your phone and WILL talk to your representative’s office on the other line IMMEDIATELY… and be in dialogue with said REP that very hour!

Now, you ONLY get THAT attention, when you PAY for it here…. and likely over there… yet, some have learned to NOT ACCEPT THE FIAT OVER THEIR FAITH!

How about this:

Direct Democratic ( or equitable ) Relations among the PEOPLE of countries MINUS the Lackeys, Shills and Traitors of the empire?

Our own Truth Empire within an empire.

Virtual, Viral and Victorious!

It has already begun, we just need MORE people to join… much like any other movement away from tyranny and the unfettered greed of low character men.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 16, 2010 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

You want world peace? 

Show the door. 

Will all hell break loose?  Shouldn’t if everyone is conscience of the sharp illusion on money that has the world on a sprocket for their existence, but it doesn’t have to.  Some will want the illusion furthered, unfortunately.

Now, this is not to say that some folks will NOT be hurt, intimidated, suffer great financial loss, etc… their faiths may be shattered for we all have a mind which is its own universe, as some say… so our beliefs can be that much different and far away from each other… and fragile when confronted with an exposed empty identity without God.

So some recompense for grievance would be in order, but for the populous, the chattel, those living like we who read here ( excluding moles, instigators and traitors found herein! ).  NO recompense for the initiators and willing perpetrators of that effort.  Some lackeys and shills may be innocent for the jeopardy of strife over life.. we need ask ourselves: in that same paradigm of existence, would we be strong enough to turn away and do conscientiously right?

That recompense can come from the IMF, World Banks, FED, Those families owning the means of production, you know.. the perpetrators… and it is ALL A PAPER TRAIL.

Having an equitable BALANCE in what is known as Palestine and what was Israel ( and again, it can be called all kinds of things on a map ), Jew, Muslim, Christian, etc can live productively like they try to do here… for our differences become our binding attributes… we are all the same breed, sorry Charlie wink

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 16, 2010 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

I have an excuse / reason / “illusion” some would rather say and I’ll allow as not to ‘offend’ their conscience… for I must type it as I see it, for my words and their order are all I have.

My Excuse? > The bible says so 8^)

Pretty simple and easy… one’s best defense!

When I read the historical accounts found in the old testament, I learn about how God pledged to Israel both blessings and curses.

It talks about Blessings and Grace for keeping the commands, and when faltering, IMMEDIATELY returning to that faithful relationship of being led and governed by an Invisible King, gentle yet very serious and faithful to His Own Words type of King.

Their lack of faith in this Being is what brought them back out of there, just as the story said it would.

And it says they will be scattered and will not return until an obvious ‘invitation’ had occurred… BUT THIS HAS NOT OCCURRED FOR THE LATEST ATTEMPT WAS BOUGHT AND BOTCHED, BORN OF MAN.

Also says they WILL be brought back, again as the story continues, but NOT by money changing, force, war, murder, espionage, treason, collusion, conspiracy, covert operations, lying, stealing, hating, etc.. etc.. etc.. ( all the sins described in scripture ).

So… today, history we have another attempt started mid last century, as history has shown, of a push from an extreme sect of very impressionable families… and THEIR will be done, not the old testament’s Author(s)... nor any other person for that fact… thus the strife and curses continue plaguing the region.

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By Arabian Sinbad, October 16, 2010 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

By tedmurphy41, October 16 at 9:03

“Ahmadinejad’s credibility could come under real scrutiny if the United States did start to become an impartial arbiter in the Middle East.”
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Sorry, but the bad news is that the United States’ political establishment will never again, under the current system and political realities, be an impartial arbiter in the Middle East.

The only honorable stand of the US in modern history came in 1956, after the trio British-French-Israeli military attack on Egypt upon its nationalization of the Suez Canal. It was Eisenhower’s honorable stance in condemning that evil attack against Egypt that forced the attackers to withdraw.

Since then the United States has been openly taking the side of Zionism’s evils and wrongs as well as the side of the oppression of dictators and corrupt leaders of the area against their own people.

It will take great acts of revolution within the US and the Middle East to force a change in the hypocrite and double-standard current policies of the US. I am hoping that Ahmadinejad is one revolutionary player who would help spread the fever of revolutionary activism to topple the corrupt US puppet regimes of the area. It’s only then that there will a hope that the US will be forced, under the new realities, to change its shortsighted hypocritical policies towards that part of the world.

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By moonraven, October 16, 2010 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

Napoleon, If I say that Israelis are “pushy” I will be perpetuating a correct description that has become a “politically incorrect sterotype”.

Of course I have no interest in being politically correct, as it is just a mask for cynicism.

Israel OUT of Palestine NOW!

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By tedmurphy41, October 16, 2010 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

Ahmadinejad’s credibility could come under real scrutiny if the United States did start to become an impartial arbiter in the Middle East. A start could be made by refusing to unconditionally support the Israeli administration in their routine abuse of the Palestinian people, who happen to also live in what is truly Palestine.
As has happened in Afghanistan, with their “covert” support for the Mujahideen, this support has now come back to bite the hand that so willingly fed it, that scenario will inevitably happen here.
Until the Israelis are reined in(America is in the driving seat to do this) and ‘instructed’ to come to an accord with their Palestinian neighbours, oh, and to remove their nuclear arsenal of weapons of mass destruction, America will be seen as an unjust referee when, what is desperately needed, is the complete opposite.

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By ardee, October 16, 2010 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

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Cuba has done one thing; it’s reduced its birthrate so that it doesn’t have to export extra mouths to feed to other countries.  A nation that has to live off the remittances of its migrants is pitiful and inferior.

Cuba has done a bit more than you allow. It does indeed export people, Doctors mainly, which it graduates absolutely free regardless of country of origin, the only condition being an agreement to work for three years with the poorest of ones own nation.

A nation that has to live off the remittances of its migrants is quite probably a nation exploited by global corporations ( mostly US in origin) which have destroyed the local economy to such an extent that these “inferiors” have had to seek employment elsewhere in order to feed and clothe their families.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 15, 2010 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

And the Cuba reference is really interesting.

Seems the vacuum of Babylon withdrew most adhering to that system…. or those already mesmerized by the ‘carrot before the donkey.’

And what was left was the poor…. and they have a balance of labor between one another unlike here… for they are ALL in the same boat, only not having possessions to fill their envy nor to boast about.

What they may boast about is their talents…. found within them… the true value of what is of value on this plant… each other… PEOPLE.

Of course, you have an elite, ultra powerful class of cronies running that particular system, defunct and dysfunctional as any government office you walk into today over here.

Imagine where EVERY citizen was obligated to carry an office during their lifetime?

NOT like this bogus jury duty which is dreaded by every living human being every caught into that ( unless some promoted and scandalized public humiliation / crucifixion ).

And imagine if that office could NOT be filled by the same person EVER, no matter WHAT!

And, then said citizen participant will go back to their whatever they were doing ( hopefully working for themselves, not in some ponzi-pyramid, blood sucking Babylonian interest paying fiat currency pushing debt non-credits around… which only serves the holders of that phony creation and those lackeys selling themselves to perpetuate the economic slavery system.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 15, 2010 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment

Brad Evans, totally agree with you regarding almost everything… especially the fact about religious countries and the disfunction to Babylon.. or the buying and selling empire system of old… which they’ve seemed to reject since experiencing for ions longer than the Eurpean regions… and newly found on this hemisphere.

What is the problem is also that word religion.

For religious people sometimes fail to aim for Righteousness.

Or at least be spiritual… which is the religious attempt, failing to have their heart in it… or giving their 100%... much like professional athletes and the weekend warrior…. or the professional actor and the theatre professor… the tax preparer and the IRS agent.

Listening to that Police song the other day… reminds me of what we really have:  a nation of babies, infantile in their mental capacity to comprehend and objectively see what system of ‘life’ we have on this planet… and the direction it is going.

It’s all in the lyrics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ulyoUHNkM

We assume that nations are backwards when they have no buying and selling mega malls and they don’t want to ride a Harley… or drink a Bud, or whatever is projected by our corporate, profit driven, irresponsible media monopolies.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 15, 2010 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

MoonRaven:

“The Brits botched it, gave a blank check to the Zionist terrorists and then completely bailed out—using the excuse that they had to fight Rommel in the deserts of Egypt and Libya.”

I agree, yet hasn’t this simply been Israel once again pushing their way into a place they lost long ago?  Brute force at the end of a bayonet isn’t it?  And the dole of the dollar allows it?

I like the way you use ‘terrorist’ in the context I suppose you mean: people who terrorize others, in collusion and conspiring together using any means necessary.  We have treasonous terrorists walking our halls of Justice, hired NOT by a plurality of constituents, but a minority with a BIG plan.

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By moonraven, October 15, 2010 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

Brad,

Sure must be a royal drag to hate everybody.

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Cuba has done one thing; it’s reduced its birthrate so that it doesn’t have to export extra mouths to feed to other countries.  A nation that has to live off the remittances of its migrants is pitiful and inferior.

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Retarded people-like Rickey Ray Rector?  Whom Clinton executed?  But blacks continued to love him for years afterwards.  Pitiful.
If it’s so lousy, why do people come thousands of miles to live here?  Their countries must be even worse-inferior, in fact.
  A nation that can’t feed what it breeds is inferior. 
  Iran is a theocracy.  It’s poor, backwards and inferior-the only things it exports now are rugs and pistachio nuts-the same two things it exported thirty-five years ago under the Shah.
  I’m an atheist and whenever I see a country with a high percentage of religious believers, I know it’s got something wrong with it. 
  Whether it’s the US south or Brazil or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan-it’s all poor, inefficient and corrupt.  Inferior.
  I refuse to respect or pity ignorant and superstitious people.  And the Left is pitiful because it’s afraid to say publicly about 3rd world countries’ ignorance what it routinely says about the ignorance of the US’s South and poor people with their storefront churches and “Reverend” idiots.

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By moonraven, October 14, 2010 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

napoleon:

Thanks.  I am already all too familiar with the vagaries of the Palestine Mandate.

The Brits botched it, gave a blank check to the zionist terrorists and then completely bailed out—using the excuse that they had to fight Rommel in the deserts of Egypt and Libya.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 14, 2010 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Johnny, checking that site out now..

MoonRaven, look at this:

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aWtMTnV9.1JA

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By johnny, October 14, 2010 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

Marc Schlee and NapoleonDonehispart:

Here is a good site on decentralized Direct Democracy:

http://ni4d.us/

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By johnny, October 14, 2010 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

Thank you Sindbad.  You made it crystal clear.

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By moonraven, October 14, 2010 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

Yesterday one of the Israeli “parlementarians” called for the assassination of Ahmadinejad, and compared him to Hitler.

I suppose that is one way to “wipe him off the map”.

Israel out of Palestine NOW.

Put those bellicose buttholes in Saxony, West Yorkshire or west Texas.  See how long they last with their agressive antics.

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By Arabian Sinbad, October 13, 2010 at 10:04 pm Link to this comment

By johnny, October 13 at 11:42 pm

“Again, why are we supposed to hate Iran?”
==========================================
A good philosophical question indeed, Johnny!

To which I am going to suggest an answer by highlighting the following points:

1. A man is generally an enemy to that which he / she is ignorant about.
2. It’s in the eyes of the beholder. And based on this principal someone’s freedom-fighter might be seen as a terrorist by other side.
3. An Arabic proverb puts it this way, “Each container oozes that which it contains.” So if one’s heart is filled with hatred it will ooze hatred, and if it is filled with love it will ooze love, and sees beauty where others see ugliness.
4. Crude cultural chauvinism is the enemy of enlightenment and universal human compassion and understanding. Thus a crude cultural chauvinist will always find a reason to hate someone who looks different, sounds different and have different belief or value system.
5. Hating someone or some country is, in some way,  a defensive mechanism of the immoral and weak-minded people. Instead of facing to the fact that America wronged Iran twice in modern history, they project that the victim is the victimizer who deserves to be hated. In 1953, America wronged Iran when it used it’s CIA spying apparatus to topple the democratically elected Prime Minister Mosaddiq. And for long time after that, America supported the tyrant Shah of Iran against his own people. So after the 1979 Iranian revolution that toppled the Shah and he fled to America, Iran demanded the extradition of the tyrant Shah to stand trial. However, America continued its arrogant and short-sighted policy of supporting tyrants against their own people, which ironically goes against the American much-bragged about principles of human rights, democracy and freedom.

In my educated opinion, if Iran hates America, she is justified in that for America’s flagrant hypocrisy and double-standards. However, if America hates Iran, it’s based on the twisted logic of blaming the victim and failing to courageously facing its immoral past, apologizing for it and trying to make amends to end the cycle of mutual hatred!

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By johnny, October 13, 2010 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

Again, why are we supposed to hate Iran?

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 13, 2010 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

The inferiority lies with the Babylon system we have been under since Pharaoh.

Cuba broke away from the empire and is one of a very few actual sovereign states in existence today… a rarity, a gem…. a living artifact.

Can’t speak for N. Korea nor China.. although when I was in Hong Kong last, they seemed to be pretty well capitalized and cloned to the empire’s worship of money.

First poster to this thread mentioned DIRECT DEMOCRACY…

This would be nice too: local representatives dealing with and handling local, national and international issues via internet conferencing like town-hall meetings, but the global village being brought together and resolving issues, common man to common man and not hired hand to hired hand.

The power to take the power back is at our finger tips folks.

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By firefly, October 13, 2010 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

Brad Evans,

You say “China, Cuba and Iran all have the death
penalty-and use it. Before frothing at the mouth with
righteous indignation, check out the facts. These are
inferior cultures……………..”

Inferior cultures???

Would you like to define ‘inferior’?  Is this just a
case of you feeling ‘superior’ to other cultures? Do
you believe that America is superior? If so, why?  I
thought that kind of thinking had died out last
century. When I look at much of America, particularly
the Tea Party, I don’t see a superior culture….

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By moonraven, October 13, 2010 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

Brad:

Gringolandia:  Uses the death penalty even against elders and retarded people, has a lousy economy, is how many trillions in debt now, and is the BIGGEST SINGLE ABUSER OF HUMAN RIGHTS ON THE PLANET.

Where do you ignorant jingoist racist goons get your nerve?!

Put a sock in it!  Preferably the one your hero GW Bush stuffed his flight suit with to look like he had genitals….

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By Brad Evans, October 13, 2010 at 11:47 am Link to this comment
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FRTotus, China, Cuba and Iran all have the death penalty-and use it.
  Before frothing at the mouth with righteous indignation, check out the facts.
  These are inferior cultures, with poor economies, lousy civil rights, into virtually nobody wants to move.
  You make waiting for the 12th Imam look sensible.
  Pitiful self-flagellation.  Must be a mainline protestant.

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By John Eadie, October 13, 2010 at 11:34 am Link to this comment
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Ardee, I’ve been reading Cole for years.  Again, my
take on this piece is that he is being very quiet about
underlining the truth of the situation.  I totally
disagree with the common opinion if that is what you’re
relating.

I would describe Cole rather as an opponent of war, and
one who, unlike others, actually can fit the thinking
of the Islamists into our terms.  He is too productive,
IMHO, but most often has facts on his side.  He’s a
very good reporter.

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By ardee, October 13, 2010 at 6:53 am Link to this comment

John Eadie, October 13 at 2:07 am

I note your opinion of this particular piece and ask if you are familiar with Mr. Cole’s repute as an apologist for war and a distorter of Islamic thought?

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By John Eadie, October 12, 2010 at 10:07 pm Link to this comment
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This piece of Juan Cole’s is remarkably even handed and
clear.  What is amazing are the many comments following
that don’t get it.  <sigh>

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 12, 2010 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

Thanks firefly for noticing and watching…

We need a better perspective… for mainstream media has FAILED in producing the news that is informative, insightful and brings context instead of hyped ‘mtv’ speed graphix and such.

I see the news on tv like what it has become: PURE POLITICAL PROPAGANDA OF THE POWERS THAT BE!

The two parties are in collusion, and all except a handful of politicos are TRAITORS to their oath of office.

Only very few are NOT ON THE PAYROLL OF THE BANKSTERS….

Yet, we’re going to sit back and debate about some other leaders and their propaganda and debate THEIR political BS and think we don’t have a HEEP OF BS HERE?

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By ConradCElledge, October 12, 2010 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment
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I agree with the comments of byron and moon that Juan
Cole is not playing straight here.  Other places I have
read his distortions regarding Iran.  This whole piece
stinks of passive aggressive.

Remember Juan Cole was a big supporter of the war on
terror and the invasion of Iraq.  Great judgment there
Juan.  Get off Ahmadinejad.  You are not an impartial
broker.

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By moonraven, October 12, 2010 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

It would be useful to return Turtle Island to us natives while there are still a few acres of it that are not a toxic waste dump….

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By FRTothus, October 12, 2010 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

>>In Israel and America’s words, “a country has the
right to defend itself”. Even Iran.

By firefly, October 12 at 5:07 pm <<

Agreed, but in the US we’re dealing with moral
cowards and hypocrites, in it only for themselves.
Double-dealers with double standards.  Still, under
current US practice, it could be argued that Iran or
China or Venezuela or Cuba (or any other nation) has
the absolute right to preemptively strike Israel or
the US or the UK, with or without UN approval, to
compel lawful behavior, to end oppression, rapacious
exploitive capitalism and corporate monopoly, abolish
the ghastly death penalty and solitary confinement,
release the thousands of political prisoners, to
correct long-standing human rights violations and
crimes against the peace, or to arrest convicted
international terrorists walking free in Miami and
other US and UK cities.  Regime change for a more
law-abiding and less threatening empire would be
plausible justification enough. What if their
Parliament and their press and politicians trumped up
imaginary threats, and their parliament or congress
or diet voted to bomb the US on the basis of those
lies?  What if they passed a law making it okay to
bomb Washington, DC or Tel Aviv, after presenting
manufactured and planted evidence in their courts,
maybe even pulling off a false flag operation
complete with caught and executed foreign spies along
with weapons and plans and passports and crucifixes
and bibles?  Wouldn’t that make their (defensive)
threat of force or the actual force (aka real
terrorism) as legal as what the US or the UK or
Israel does and threatens to do?  Would they not have
the right to kill “suspects” by missile strike, and
too bad for those women and children near-by?  There
is one common thread: The evil empire, led by cowards
and moral dwarves, picks only on those that can’t
defend themselves, just like any schoolyard bully. 
If another country decides it’s had enough of US
bullying, then maybe it has the right to bomb DC back
to the stone-age and turn the country back over to
the natives. What’s good for the goose…

“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of
atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a
remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”
(George Orwell)

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By Arabian Sinbad, October 12, 2010 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

Thanks the Lord for Ahmadinegad for being one who can check the limits of American and Israeli arrogant power!

If we just had ten more world leaders like him, with rich natural resources in their lands, then the world would likely be more peaceful and just one.

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By moonraven, October 12, 2010 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

Thanks, GoyToy.

And for those boors and bores who try to blame their own time-wasting habits on me, don’t let the doorknob hit you too hard.

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By GoyToy, October 12, 2010 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

Moonraven,

All I can say is well said.

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By QuantumBubbler, October 12, 2010 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

I am not publishing my indignant criticism of Juan Cole as an article, and comments here are not journalism—they are informal opinions in response to an article that the site decided was worthwhile to publish, nada más.

Ergo, your straw man just fell apart and caught fire.

If you want to engage me in commentary, respond to the points I made; refute them or agree with them, but save the silly attempts to be clever for someone who cares.

I did not say anything about your “indignant criticism of Juan Cole ” and there was no straw man. There’s no straw man here, perhaps the fire is the great friction you generate when you try to think real hard?

You say, “If you want to engage me in commentary, respond to the points I made”... I did. I liked your point, you said, “This kind of jejune journalism is not worth publishing—and especially not on a supposedly progressive site! “

I asked you what kind of jejune (I like that word also. Thanks!) journalism is worth publishing. I’m sorry you cannot answer. I’m especially sorry that as per your last sentence, you do not even care.

You’re wasting my time at TruthDig. I’m considering leaving it. Don’t worry. Be happy.

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By firefly, October 12, 2010 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

jimch,

“It is he, Johan Galtung, who is in fact the one who
is delusional as will be attested to by the NATO
nations. Let the U.S. attempt to pull out of NATO and
listen to the hue and cry.
Like so many others, Galtung has an OPINION, that’s
all.”

Actually I think you’ve missed the point.

Galtung states that America will become irrelevant in
the context of the Middle East in so far as countries
such as Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Turkey are
becoming stronger and more united and will have far
more influence in Afghanistan and Pakistan than the
US does. NATO is not subject to this union so whether
they howl about the US, is not the point (although
I’d question that particular notion in 10 years
time).

Further to the East, China’s growing influence will
soon outweigh America’s.

I doubt that Galtung is as deluded as you’d like to
think.

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By abikecommuter, October 12, 2010 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

The US and Iran are allied against the planet. They have the same consumption
patterns of roads, cars, and displacement of the indigenous. We are at 392 ppm of
CO2 increasing at 1.5ppm per year. And both are allied against the poor to steal their
resources and cause them to die from the consequences. Independence is maligned.
Bikes and peds make up 20 % of fatalities but get less than 1% of the funding. If Iran
was really opposed to the US they would start shutting down their oil wells so tha half
their production could be sold at double or tripple the price with money left over for
renewables.. Instead they follow the same planetary disastrous policies of oil
consumption and now planetary death with nuclear power. So hearing about the US,
Israel, and Iran is like hearing about some despicable family fued like the Hatfields.  No
one is on the road to peace. They all want our kids to fight their Halliburtonized wars.

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By Shingo, October 12, 2010 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

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“stop blaming Israel for defending itself and trying to survive.”

Israel is not trying to survive, it is trying to dominate the entire region.

“ook at the amount of land the arabs have and yet keep their people are poor and ignorant.”

You could say the same thing about blacks in Africa, which makes you a racist.

“arabs are welcome to live, work, health care, educate themselves and prosper in israel!!!”

So long as theuy remain 3rd class citizens and only live on 3% of the land.

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By jimch, October 12, 2010 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

firefly:

“As Norwegian founder of the field of peace and
conflict studies, Johan Galtung, says both America
and Israel’s delusional belief in their ‘divine’
existence has precluded them from acting as honest
brokers in conflicts in the Middle East and has
created greater enemies than they ever had to start
with. He says, “America is becoming irrelevant”,
which means that in time, Israel will stand
completely alone in the world.”

It is he, Johan Galtung, who is in fact the one who is delusional as will be attested to by the NATO nations. Let the U.S. attempt to pull out of NATO and listen to the hue and cry.

Like so many others, Galtung has an OPINION, that’s all.

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By Hussain, October 12, 2010 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment
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Welcome Dr Ahmadinajad to your home Lebanon. He is a
great person and if many people see him as a bad person
(because of the media), I don’t think he is as bad as
most of middle east and western political who care only
about their personal interests. Welcome Dr

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By firefly, October 12, 2010 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

Napolean DoneHisPart,

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?
Thanks for the link. Very interesting.

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By firefly, October 12, 2010 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

QuantumBubbler and Mickey

It is now accepted by most academics (particularly
those that speak Farsi), that the actual translation
does not mean “wipe Israel off the face of the map”,
but more a broad statement of never accepting
Israel’s right to exist (and logically speaking, why
should they accept it? Refusing to recognize another
country isn’t in itself an act of aggression).

Israel and the US have made far more frequent and
aggressive threats to Iran over the years (and very
nearly dropped bombs on Tehran) which is infinitely
more certifiable than any vague ‘mistranslation’ of
any threat (knowing the US and Israel, they like to
make maximum mileage out of any statement from Iran).

Iran is surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons
and has far more reason to be suspicious of the US
and Israel’s motives.

Quite frankly, it makes a lot more sense for Iran to
get nuclear weapons, if only to defend itself from
the likely attacks by Israel and the US.

In Israel and America’s words, “a country has the
right to defend itself”. Even Iran.

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By firefly, October 12, 2010 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

The US and Israel only have themselves to blame for
this. When you push a dog into a corner, it isn’t
going to wag its tail.

As Norwegian founder of the field of peace and
conflict studies, Johan Galtung, says both America
and Israel’s delusional belief in their ‘divine’
existence has precluded them from acting as honest
brokers in conflicts in the Middle East and has
created greater enemies than they ever had to start
with. He says, “America is becoming irrelevant”,
which means that in time, Israel will stand
completely alone in the world. It will then have to
decide whether it stands a better chance of survival
by making peace and compromises with its neighbors.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 12, 2010 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

As always, my post was ignored…

I did include a link to a video news release pertaining to this very subject…

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By moonraven, October 12, 2010 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

I am not publishing my indignant criticism of Juan Cole as an article, and comments here are not journalism—they are informal opinions in response to an article that the site decided was worthwhile to publish, nada más.

Ergo, your straw man just fell apart and caught fire.

If you want to engage me in commentary, respond to the points I made; refute them or agree with them, but save the silly attempts to be clever for someone who cares.

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By QuantumBubbler, October 12, 2010 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

moonraven, you mentioned “This kind of jejune journalism is not worth publishing—and especially not on a supposedly progressive site! “

It is apparent from your jejune assessment and name calling “proudly uneducated rubes and bigots” that you like jejune. Please tell us what kind of jejune journalism is worth publishing on any site? BTW are you an unproud uneducated rube and bigot by any chance? Bring me some nutritionally viable Truth and cut the simple name-calling… so-called name calling…

I wanna luv ya bro, don’t make it difficult! smile

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By QuantumBubbler, October 12, 2010 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Ha ha ha! That was funny, Writeronthestorm! LOL

You degrade people with a modern genetic slur concerning their defective collective DNA pool, and then you cannot muster the intelligence to enter a URL correctly! You are very funny!

You are a joker aren’t you? LOL

Oh, BTW, not all muslim countries hold their noses and let the smelly little man have his way. (Amadeenajad doesn’t like references to how he looks dirty.) But hey, I’m a Libertarian <u>like you</u> (<u>joke</u>), it’s their business.

And I agree, Israel should be a big boy. Why have we lent them a hand only to get pulled back into the stinking mess of hatred? That’s no deal for our great contribution, that the blood is on our hands also, just bring the meat to the table, the main course, a better world through less ass-holes being alive! Is that what war is for? ha ha ha, now I’m being funny!

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By moonraven, October 12, 2010 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

I do NOT welcome back Juan Cole, if this low-level name-calling is going to be the tone of his opinion pieces!

First, his comparison of the president of Iran to the Tea Party is laughable.  How can anyone who has been outside the borders of the US seriously compare ANYONE to the proudly uneducated rubes and bigots of the so-called Tea Party?

And I bailed out of his piece with his next slice of grade-school silliness, to wit:  “Ahmadinejad’s theatrical politics often make him a laughingstock, but his trip is intended to make the serious point that Tehran can stand up to Western sanctions and thwart attempts to box the Islamic Republic in.”

A laughingstock by whom, Mr. Cole?  I am not laughing,nor is any other educated and travelled person living here in Latin America.

This kind of jejune journalism is not worth publishing—and especially not on a supposedly progressive site!

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By WriterOnTheStorm, October 12, 2010 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

WriterOnTheStorm started to write “refreshing” but the word shocking came out
instead. And shocking is the better word for a report on the Middle East that
doesn’t portray Israel as peace-loving little democratic David surrounded by
scimiter-waving tyrannical Goliaths.

Usually Ahmadinejad is caricatured as something between a fourth stooge and
the beast 666. Here, stripped of his MSM patina, he is just another authoritarian,
not so different from those in America. Ahmadinejad may have different politics
from the Tea Party, but the personality type is from the same gene pool. (Don’t
think so? Read this:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/drbob/Comment on the Tea%2
0Party.pdf ).

Trying to reach some semblance of cause-and-effect rationality in the middle
east is a worthy goal, but academicians like Mr. Cole have no chance against the
the Media/Military/AIPAC juggernaut. Iran is our official demon du jour. A lot of
vested interests aim to see that it stays that way.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 12, 2010 at 9:40 am Link to this comment

Question:

Do TruthDig writers have the perspective that our country’s leadership is doing what the money tells them to.. and not their conscience?

And do these truthdiggers understand that the upper crusty class has ALWAYS ruled over the minions…. and have ALWAYS done and said WHATEVER IT TAKES to keep their stronghold on the populous?

Same in ANY COUNTRY!!!! 

Or do the truthdiggers believe the ole U.S.A., Inc. is good and all others are the ‘evil doers?’

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By Anarcissie, October 12, 2010 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

I think Cole is an improvement over the usual WaPo suspects.

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By cheyennebode, October 12, 2010 at 8:43 am Link to this comment
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THE POPES YARMULKE..DOES REVEAL THE STICH…THAT BINDS ZION..TO
THAT LAST TRAGIC…MEAL..

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By ardee, October 12, 2010 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

DavidByron, October 12 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

This article seems to be full of subtle little lies and deceptions that favour the US propaganda perspective - even as it rejects others.  Another example (how do you indicate quotes btw?):

In other words, a typical Juan Cole article. Why TD publishes him here is a question worthy of consideration.

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By DavidByron, October 12, 2010 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

This article seems to be full of subtle little lies and deceptions that favour the US propaganda perspective - even as it rejects others.  Another example (how do you indicate quotes btw?):

“Most seriously, Iran is pursuing the enrichment of uranium, which it says is for civilian power generation. The U.S. and Israel, however, fear the program could end up being dual-use and result in, at the least, the ability to assemble a nuclear warhead on short notice.”

This misrepresents (lies) about what the US and Israel actually say to make them sound reasonable.  What the US actually says is that Iran has a nuclear weapons program right now, which is a blatant lie.  When you substitute a reasonable statement for a blatant lie in your reporting of the position of one side of a debate you are distorting the record on their behalf.

Juan Cole makes these little distortions quite a lot it seems.  The question is: how many pro-US/Israel distortions are in the article that I did NOT pick up on?

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By DavidByron, October 12, 2010 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

“though Ahmadinejad has never actually threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the map, a charge based on a mistranslation”

It’s not based on a mistranslation.  It’s based on the usual causes of US and Israeli war propaganda.  If it was a mistranslation then people would have stopped repeating the charge, and issued Ahmadinejad an apology, the first time someone pointed out the “mistake”.

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By QuantumBubbler, October 12, 2010 at 5:46 am Link to this comment

Tesla,

You wrote: “quantumbubbler, intensional ignorance (and pig-headed avoidance) of the facts is an American specialty.

Thanks for being such an excellent practitioner of the art.”

That’s all you have? Then you yourself have just practiced intentional ignorance (and pig-headed avoidance) of the facts. Dah!

In your defense, would you care to quote the facts from the article, and further substantiate them please, instead of merely hurl invectives? Don’t avoid them.

Or will your defence be to just run on, avoiding proof of your belief?

One thing about Whole Truth, is, and it’s a very pleasing quality, hence it is how you know you have the Whole Truth… ready for the answer? The Great Thing about the Whole Truth is… drum roll please…

Whole Truth promulgates wave after wave of substantial witnessing acts by individuals, hence expanding overall consciousness. Empirical Proof of that is seen in how the ratings of MSNBC are compared to the dreaded FOX. Look at the graph and deny what I say… go ahead… you can do that. And when you deny Truth your own graph goes down… and BTW… don’t blame your or anyone else’s unhappiness on me for ‘what I believe’ or others for ‘being rich’. You’ve been majorly majoral in participatory shaping of in your whole life, or have you opted out for the ‘political decision’?

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By Tesla, October 12, 2010 at 4:58 am Link to this comment

quantumbubbler, intensional ignorance (and pig-headed
avoidance) of the facts is an American specialty.

Thanks for being such an excellent practitioner of the
art.

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By mickey, October 12, 2010 at 4:43 am Link to this comment
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stop blaming Israel for defending itself and trying to survive.  look at the amount of land the arabs have and yet keep their people are poor and ignorant.  arabs are welcome to live, work, health care, educate themselves and prosper in israel!!!

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By QuantumBubbler, October 12, 2010 at 4:42 am Link to this comment

ROFLMAO! I loved this article!

Yeah, me too Aaron. I’ve been wondering about the ‘truth’ they dig! But now, I can just see inside their offices, by the water cooler, the pictures of pigs and the slogan, BASH THE TEA PARTY! What a silly propaganda mill!

“Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Middle East’s populist answer to the American tea party,...” Seems to me the country broke out in riots when the election was awarded to him despite the popular vote. That’s the Truth, dig it? Even MSM reported that, do you deny it? Then you’re a propagandist.

Here’s a Truth:

Ahmadinejad may hope to broker an agreement that would forestall civil conflict between Shiites and Sunnis.

Good luck! The venomous mindset of the desert snakes, unable to attack a neighbor who believes differently, will be turning on each other soon to feed their hate. Apparently they cannot get enough of it.

OH, and, I loved the aside: “(though Ahmadinejad has never actually threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the map, a charge based on a mistranslation).”

As in ‘a charge’ made time after time and mistranslated each time? Even at the UN?

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By Shingo, October 12, 2010 at 3:43 am Link to this comment

“A crisis between Hezbollah and the government of the Sunni Muslim prime minister, Saad Hariri, looms, since a tribunal may blame Hezbollah operatives for the 2005 assassination of the prime minister’s father, Rafiq Hariri. Ahmadinejad may hope to broker an agreement that would forestall civil conflict between Shiites and Sunnis.”

I found this statement rather odd.

Saad Hariri has been on the same page as Hezbollah as to expressing doubts about the conclusions of the tribunal (blaming Syria or Hezbollah for the death of Rafiq Hariri).  In fact, statements made by Saad Hariri have alluded to suggestions Israel was behind the assassination.

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By walldizo, October 12, 2010 at 3:26 am Link to this comment
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We have been hosting all kind of Western mediocres whos only interest is to see Lebanon as weak as ever, time for a change.Welcome Ahmadinijad.

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By Aaron Ortiz, October 12, 2010 at 1:00 am Link to this comment

I had to stop at the first sentence…Ahmadinejad and the Tea Party in the same
sentence…sorry. The cool-aid needs more sugar.

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By Marc Schlee, October 11, 2010 at 11:54 pm Link to this comment
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Ahmadinejad, Chavez and Castro are probably the only three political leaders on earth who are telling the unvarnished truth.

The truth is, America can’t handle the truth.

FREE AMERICA

DIRECT DEMOCRACY

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