drbhelthi, May 9 at 5:12 am,

Awareness is all I’m interested in, everything else will take care of
itself if the majority population are allowed to become aware,
which is why I so appreciate this forum for truth.  Awareness that
there is a 70% majority common population that are being
unrepresented by both political parties and the need for the
common majority population to be represented as a total class
and cultural majority of the common population of the United
States, because if the common majority would realize their
undivided power, there could be representation of all the people in
the United States, not just a few at the top.

One has to know that culture is what people as a class of people
do that is passed down from generation to generation.  Different
classes do different things.  People of the 70% common majority
need to become cyclically aware of their part in culture which will
upgrade the cyclical nature of culture for the majority population. 
Culture is everything that mankind has done and passed down
from the beginning to the present.

When relating to a separate class and culture you are relating to a
group of people who have awareness of only a portion of the
overall totality of culture as a whole.  The populace have the least
awareness, the middle class has more awareness and the
aristocracy has the greater awareness of the cyclical nature of
culture.

If the majority population become aware that they are a class and
culture that needs to have a greater understanding of the overall
cyclical nature of class and culture as a whole for best interest
benefit, that cyclical nature of culture can be used as cultural
capital and that cultural capital can be exchanged for moneyed
capital. 

We must rise above Jerry Springer personal experience individual
culture at the zero point, and realize that we are a part of the
whole majority common population’s class and culture that is
within the whole of culture and learn to increase our cultural
awareness beyond personal experience of culture at the zero
point to the cyclical nature of culture to obtain best interest from
cultural capital.

Barbara Ehrenreich addressed this need for class and cultural
awareness eloquently in her academic work, ‘The Fear of
Falling, The Inner Life of the Middle Class’.

http://www.scottlondon.com/reviews/ehrenreich.html

Martha, your first two paragraph are somewhat inaccurate.
However, you present some very valid points, in my opinion.

My apology if I demean the Dem. party more than the Rep. party.  I
present facts about the current occupant of the U.S.Presidency, who is
a product – more or less – of the Dem. Party, which facts are
demeaning to the Dem party.  My intent is to demean both, similarly,
since I discern no significant difference in their directions.  Both
pursue the agenda that was initiated by the NAZI in the US and the
NAZI in Germany, at the end of WWII.  Both supported and continue the
nazification of the U.S.A.  Leaders of both parties know that 9-11 was
an inside job and why.  Their mouths are bribed and intimidated in the
shut position.  The few who present the truth have placed their lives
in jeopardy.  Similar to billionaire Donald Trump, until he made the
life or death decision about two weeks ago. He is still alive,
reflecting his decision, to join the NAZI movement. 

Operation Paper Clip, begun in 1945 continued til 1952, against the
directives of Pres. Truman and Pres. Eisenhower, both genuine
Americans, was the initial agenda.  A total of approx. 2,000 NAZI &
family members were secreted into the U.S. Among them was LTC Otto
Skorzeny, the last bodyguard of Adolf Hitler. Skorzeny, cheated out of
over a million dollars by his “fellow NAZIs” was bitter at the end of
his life, blew the whistle on the NAZIs secreted into the USA. He
deposited a shoe-box full of NAZI documents and pictures with the
boyfriend of his daughter, prior to crossing over.  Historians have
verified the documents to be genuine. 
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm 

It has been established that George H.W. Bush Sr. was the secretive
CEO of the C.I.A. from approx. 1960 – 1981, perhaps still.  During
this period, thousands of coups against foreign governments, and
assassinations of their leaders, all of which are classified by
constitutional lawyers to have been illegal, were done by the C.I.A. 
The charter of the C.I.A. makes the C.I.A. directly responsible to the
occupant of the U.S.Presidency – whether a legal occupant or not.
Which charter is said by some constitutional lawyers to be illegal. 

The GHWBushSr entourage has been historically “affiliated” with the
Republican party. The well-documented history of the Bush family
support of the NAZI speaks for itself.  The GHWBushSr entourage is
essentially responsible for events in the western world from 1975 –
current, reference the Church Committee, 1975 study of the C.I.A. and
various former C.I.A. agents and administrators. “The Chronicles of
Chip Tatum,“ reveals GHWBushSr details.  Videos, more recently by
John Stockwell, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ioJGMCr-Y   
provide extensive summaries.

If you can bring the majority of Americans together to overtake and
conduct an inner-cleansing of the U.S. political system intestinal
tract, more power to you.

drbhelthi, May 7 at 11:10 pm,

You say you vote, which means that you are either a member of
the Democratic Party or a member of the Republican Party voting either for
the Democrats or the Republicans or a lone individual Independent
without a political party, still voting for one or the other of the two
political parties.  Why do you vote—for what purpose?

You must be a member of the Republican Party, since you run
down the Democratic Party, of which President Obama is the
leader.  There are only two political parties, both are conservative
to their own class and culture, and each one relies on the voting
backlash from an ignorant majority populace, back to the other
worthless political party each election, back and forth, from one
programmed election to another programmed election.  Is this
your preferred way to vote? —- or would you prefer a political
party that would be representative of the greater majority
population?

The Republicans politically represent the aristocratic corporate elite
class and culture and care nothing about the welfare of the public
at large, the majority population, and neither do the New
Democrats of the Democratic Party that politically represent the
class and culture of the Academic and Corporate Elite that were
spawned by the Republican led Democratic Leadership Council.

If one votes, should not that vote be placed where it will do the
most good for the majority population, the public at large, of which
you are a member?

Since Independent is not a party, any elected Independent is
obliged to follow the leadership of either the Democratic Party or the
Republican Party;—How can one logically consider ones vote isn’t
wasted when voting for the Democratic Party or the Republican
Party or Independent, for either the Democratic Party or the
Republican Party, as all candidates have no choice when elected
but to follow the leadership of one of the two political parties? 

Since Independent is not a political party, any elected
Independent will have to follow the leadership of either the
Democratic Party or the Republican Party, while not being a
member of either, how smart is that?

Knowing that there are only two political parties, should not the
majority population converge on the one lesser party, take it over
and make it representative of the majority population?

Yes, Martha, I voted in the last U.S. election and state election.

drbhelthi, May 7 at 1:56 pm,

Do you vote?

“It is for certain now that the CIA will no longer be able to conjure
up an Osama bin Laden taped scenario – “  MarthaA

Martha, Martha - -  The CIA can conjure up whatever their “great
leader” thinks will get him re-elected, just as the falsified
certificate of birth was conjured up.  Just as the Hollywood-style
murder of the old man a few days ago was conjured up. 

As far as Democrats vs Republicans goes, have you checked the last
vote on renewal of the Patriot Act?  Can you discern significant
differences? 

As an old farmer said many years ago, “waal, I guess we druther have
the leastest worstest.”  I guess so, also.  But how can the leastest
worstest be determined nowadays?  Take billionaire Trump for example. 
He was talking big til last week.  All of a sudden, he was pleased
that B.H. Obama had presented a birth certificate, and claimed that he
had been influential.  He knows as well as anyone that Mr. Obama was
born under secretive circumstances, out of wedlock, to an underage
mother and that no birth certificate was issued.  There are some
historical records that the C.I.A. cannot manipulate, and a few people
have dug up some of these records.

Many insiders and former insiders know what happened to billionaire
Trump, and although a conversion experience of sorts, it was not
a religious conversion experience.  Billionaire Trump was presented
with a basic option that money could not buy his ass out of. 
He had to make a life or death decision.

LaFayette:  You must be dreaming!  “We started this mess, so let’s finish it with honor, integrity and with due respect for an Afghanistan free of religious nutters.”
  1.  “This mess” in the Middle East has been “going on” since around 1914 if not before.(Some historians would push it back to the Crusades.)
  2.  “Finishing wars with honor and integrity” is virtually impossible even without modern weapons which are so gruesome and super-effective that the very use of them removes all semblance of honor or integruty from beginning to end and beyond.
  3.  Freeing Afghanistan (or any place else) of “religious nutters” is utterly impossible.  “Religious nutters” spring up like poison ivy, and those who “go after religious nutters” are very apt to “catch”  nutterism as a
reaction to contact.  The appeal of religious nutterism, like war nutterism, is worldwide, contagious and deadly in the long run, no matter which nutty idea the nutters take up. 
  Your comments are usually far more sophisticated. Is this column really yours?  Frankly, I doubt it.

tedmurphy41, May 7 at 8:19 am,

Sure, sure.

The Military will never allow that to happen.

drbhelthi, May 6 at 8:27 am,

It is for certain now that the CIA will no longer be able to conjure
up an Osama bin Laden taped scenario of fear for America as has always
happened since 9/11/01 to assist the Republicans in getting
Republicans elected to protect America from fear of being assailed by
terrorists.

Religious leaders of various beliefs state that 3,000 souls did not die
on eleven September, 2001. They state that the souls continue to live,
but departed the bodies of the however-many who were murdered.  The
F.B.I. found no evidence linking Osama bin Laden.  Also, most genuine
insiders know who was behind the various destruction on that date, and
why it was done. Which might be why Lafayette tries to delude the
information.  Very few informed persons are NOT aware that Al Qaida is a
creation of the Bush clan, and was initially the property of the C.I.A. 

Informed persons are now looking toward the Willis (Sears) Tower in
Chicago, since Rahm Emanuel was recently “assigned” as mayor. His
experience as “go-fetch” for the Bush entourage and Obama entourage
highly qualifies him to do whatever they tell him to do. Hustling the
pieces overseas might be a little more difficult nowadays, however.

Genuine nonsense is contained in the prolific writings of one,
Lafayette, who does a marvelous job of re-weaving the fairy tales and
conundrums excreted by the GHWBushSr entourage-follow-on.  As William
Casey summarized his first general staff meeting after being appointed
as “official” chief of the CIA, 1981,“We’ll know our disinformation
program is complete when everything the American public believes is
false.”  Comrade Lafayette is dependably reinforcing the stated goal.

Fortunately, there are numerous non-shills who contribute to Truthdig.

Well, Amy…

Bin Laden Still Has HIS Job:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=493&Itemid=1

THE WORLD IN GRAY

drb: The folk of the U.S.A. and Europe had no input in the decision to invade Afghanistan

The 3000 souls who died on 9/11/2001 would likely differ with you as regards the above nonsense.

Massive Deaths are, in fact, a predominant informational input that does not require much debate regarding the immediate response necessary.

From where did al Qaeda plan the attack? The ring-leaders where located where? The Afghan government was in who’s hands? What was the relationship between the Taliban’s Mullah Omar and bin Laden?

Get your history right before ranting. The Taliban owned Afghanistan at the time - it was occupied territory. Were they the elected leaders of a legitimate government? How did they come to power? (Read all about it here.)

Though the threat was exaggerated by the Bushites, the reason justifying the intervention in Afghanistan was more real than that employed by LBJ’s “Tonkin Gulf incident”.

Administrations on the Right or Left regardless, America loves to go to war. I maintain that Afghanistan was more justified than Vietnam.

Of course, we can sit at home and do nothing waving the white flag of peace. But that means only that the aggressor will come to us. Like Pearl Harbor ...

MY POINT

America’s Cold War policy of intervention in foreign affairs gave Uncle Sam a bad name, one which he has yet to live down in the eyes of many countries around the globe.

That does not necessarily mean, however, that he has always been the bully and not the victim. Assigning blame is tricky.

The world out there is gray, not just black and white.

Thank you, JDmysticDJ, for the several clarifications.

Those of us who have never lived in Afghanistan, who do not speak the language
and dialects, who have no relatives there with whom to frequently discuss what
actually happens and why, who essentially have access only to the CIA controlled, western news media, have only semblances of ideas about Afghanistan and the
indigenous folk. 

The folk of the U.S.A. and Europe had no input in the decision to invade Afghanistan,  steal its valuable natural resources, and murder its indigenous folk, under the guise of fighting terrorism and spreading democracy.  These inhuman, dishonourable activities are the brainchild of the WWII NAZI-types supported by the NAZI Bush family and their Zionist accomplices, which dishonourable activities are currently advanced by the person who uses the name, Barack Hussein Obama.  USGovernment and Zionist leaders are the controlling force of the puppet organization with the title, N.A.T.O.

I consider it wonderful that there are brave ladies such as you mentioned,  Malalai Joya, and her body guards who risk their lives to guard her.  Brave ladies such as Mrs. Amy Goodman, and Congresswoman Barbara Lee, both of whom have had their share of threats, insults, and abuses, are also worthy of very honorable mention.  You are also worthy of praise for having the courage to challenge the distortedly ignorant thought-statements of several Truthdig bloggers.

Again, thank you, JDmysticDJ.

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“AG obviously feels that it is right and correct to let Afghanistan fall back into the hands of the Taliban.

Which means (as happened before under Taliban rule):

*That children be refused schooling.
*That women should be obliged to wear a burka in public.

*That women will be put to death for adultery.

*That the country should be enslaved once again under Salafist Muslim rule.

Right, AG, all those reasons are superb arguments for pulling out Western troops and leave Afghanistan to its own devices.”

This is news to me. Is there an Attorney General somewhere who is having such wrong and incorrect feelings? If you have evidence to support this claim please be forthcoming, because such an AG should be receiving therapy or counseling, of some sort’ to eliminate these harmful self destructive feelings.

Furthermore any AG that does not believe in universal education should most definitely be removed from office. That being said, I think that the hopeful ABC’ers and rithmaticers have more immediate concerns at the present time. Perhaps homeschooling would be the only option available under the current circumstances. I’ll point out that the Salafists (Jihadists) put an end to liberal co-education when they overthrew the secular government in Afghanistan in an earlier day. Sadly these Salafists were able to corrupt the Loya Jirga and take positions of power in the current government of Afghanistan. Seeing as how these Salafists have demonstrated their propensity for drug smuggling, war-lording, boy buggering, and whatnot, this doesn’t bode well for future governance in Afghanistan. These Salafists demonstrated a clear lack of concern for the people of Afghanistan when they feuded among themselves after they overthrew of the previous co-educational secularists. The situation got so bad that the dogmatic “Students” left their Madrassas to wreak revenge on the boy buggering Salafists. Politics are very complex in Afghanistan, but it appears that the “Student” uprising was just a continuation of the Salafistic civil warring, minus the boy buggering, on the part of the “Students.”

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Let me digress from all this unpleasant talk about boy buggerers. I’ll exclaim, “Viva la France!” The French have banned any semblance of the Burka to any who choose to wear it.

Back to your comments, which I must regrettably say demonstrate your lack of knowledge on these matters. Let me refer you to a media program entitled “Democracy Now” hosted by one Amy Goodman in order to increase your education. Amy has interviewed Afghani women on her program, including the most famous of all Afghani women, known as being the bravest woman in Afghanistan. This brave woman must travel with a group of 5 body guards, because she has been threatened with death and rape by the current crop of Salafists in the Afghan government. This brave woman, who’s name is Malalai Joya, has been very critical of the current crop of Salafistic types in the Afghan government, thus the threats of rape and murder directed at Mrs. Joya (She uses her pre-marriage name in order to protect her husband from being raped and murdered by the Salafistic, boy buggerers in the Afghan government.) Malalai was summarily removed from her elected office when she criticized the Afghan Government, and she is the head of “The Afghan Women’s Organization.” This brave woman (Malalai Joya) has commented publically in a variety of respected periodicals, she has been named one of the most influential women in the world by “Time Magazine,” and one of the top 100 global thinkers by “Foreign Policy Magazine.” She has been enthusiastically endorsed by many well respected thinkers and intellects.

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Speaking to a repentant U.S. soldier Malalai said:

“It is your government that must apologise first of all to great people like you: they are deceiving you and they use you for not a good cause; they use you for a war which only adds to the suffering of my people.

“And it is your government that must apologize to the Afghan people for invading their land and imposing a mafia government of warlords and drug-lords on them.”

Malalai is quoted in the respected publication, “The Guardian.”

“The disgusting and heartbreaking photos published last week in the German media, and more recently in Rolling Stone magazine, are finally bringing the grisly truth about the war in Afghanistan to a wider public. All the PR about this war being about democracy and human rights melts into thin air with the pictures of US soldiers posing with the dead and mutilated bodies of innocent Afghan civilians.
I must report that Afghans do not believe this to be a story of a few rogue soldiers. We believe that the brutal actions of these “kill teams” reveal the aggression and racism which is part and parcel of the entire military occupation. While these photos are new, the murder of innocents is not. Such crimes have sparked many protests in Afghanistan and have sharply raised anti-American sentiment among ordinary Afghans.”

And,

“In 2005, I was the youngest person elected to the new Afghan parliament. Women like me, running for office, were held up as an example of how the war in Afghanistan had liberated women. But this democracy was a facade, and the so-called liberation a big lie.
On behalf of the long-suffering people of my country, I offer my heartfelt condolences to all in the UK who have lost their loved ones on the soil of Afghanistan. We share the grief of the mothers, fathers, wives, sons and daughters of the fallen. It is my view that these British casualties, like the many thousands of Afghan civilian dead, are victims of the unjust policies that the Nato countries have pursued under the leadership of the US government.”

And,

“You must understand that the government headed by Hamid Karzai is full of warlords and extremists who are brothers in creed of the Taliban. Many of these men committed terrible crimes against the Afghan people during the civil war of the 1990s.
For expressing my views I have been expelled from my seat in parliament, and I have survived numerous assassination attempts. The fact that I was kicked out of office while brutal warlords enjoyed immunity from prosecution for their crimes should tell you all you need to know about the “democracy” backed by Nato troops.”

And,

“Death threats are an ongoing feature of my everyday existence and I’ve survived four assassination attempts. I’m targeted because I defend human rights and equality for women in a country where rape, forced marriages and inhuman acts of child abuse are a fact of daily life.
Examples range from the 22-year-old woman raped in front of her children by 15 local commanders of a fundamentalist party, or an 18-year-old who hanged herself to avoid being sold to a 60-year-old man, through to a young girl kidnapped by warlords and raped in exchange for a dog, and a young teenage girl raped by three men who then sadistically cut her private parts.”

And,

“...women’s rights continue to erode. The rates of self-immolation and suicide due to forced marriages, domestic violence and poverty are now higher than ever. In the first six months of 2008, 47 cases of self-immolation among women have been recorded in a single hospital in the western city of Herat. Gang rapes of young girls are reported almost every day, especially in the northern part of Afghanistan where pro-US warlords have full power and a free hand.”

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I could go on and on posting the realities of Afghanistan, but that would be a metaphorical “overkill” as opposed to the very real overkill that occurs in Afghanistan.

All things being said, I suppose an argument could be made for an empirical occupation of Afghanistan, on moral grounds, but I’ll suggest that French truffle sniffing porkers will sprout wings sometime before such a mission would be accomplished, and that the cost in human lives and dollars would make that mission nothing more than a cruel and foolhardy endeavour. I suppose that a “nuking of them all” would bring a solution of sorts, but I’m opposed to that rather extreme solution. I continue to believe that there are many good people in Afghanistan, and that they should be left to solve their own problems, free from harmful intervention. I’ll suggest that the root source of Afghanistan’s current problems is a combination of religious extremism and this intervention that so many idiotically endorse(d). An understanding of Afghanistan’s recent history should verify that contention. There is no perfect solution to the problems in Afghanistan as I see it, but there is a logical course of action in my opinion. That course of action would require a discontinuation of the killing on the part of NATO forces, with a corresponding repentance, but I do not believe that absolution will be forthcoming anytime soon.

And they understand that we need to bring our young men and women out of harm’s way.

Yeah, like we did in Vietnam with our tails between our legs.

I will remind you that all military services are no longer conscripted but voluntarily recruited.

They knew they were going in harm’s way when they signed their contracts. Rather than this lamentable bad-faith what they need is support for their efforts.

We should take our troops out of Afghanistan when the time is right and not a day before. We started this mess, so let’s finish it with honor, integrity and with due respect for an Afghanistan free of religious nutters.

mrfreeze…chill out you’re overwrought!

Your conclusion is correct, but your arguments are a
somewhat overstated.  The USA will remain in both
Iraq and Afghanistan for as long as Iran remains a
potential enemy and perhaps a bit longer.  You don’t
have to be a rocket scientist to look at a map and
see that Iran is surrounded on two sides by US
forces.  The USA, as it began to see itself as a
world empire, started to position itself in
strategic parts of the globe.  The Monroe Doctrine
was the beginning, followed by incursions into
Mexico and then Central and South America not to
mention the Caribbean.  WW 1 was a bust and for a
time the USA retreated into isolation politics, but
not for long for WW 2 showed that the USA was on its
towards global domination though with some
competition.  The Korean and Vietnam adventures were
pursued to establish spheres of influence as well as
military positioning one quite successful the other
a dismal failure that will never be repeated for it
showed the military hierarchy that the only way to
fight future battles is with an all-volunteer army
and it really works——the current anti-war groups
can get no traction.  The only detraction that may
occur is economical in the form a severe
recession/inflation, but even in the depths of the
Great Depression, the US military was still well
funded.  When Eisenhower said to beware the
Military-Industrial Complex he must have known
something!

The military, it’s operations, it’s hardware and especially it’s personnel is nothing more than a HUGE welfare system built on the false pretence that it’s keeping us “safe.” PR doesn’t get any better.

Why would the evil men running this country “bring the troops home?” They have a blank check to keep emptying the empire’s coffers so a bunch of “volunteers” can help protect the corporations who headquarter themselves here while, at the same time, shelter themselves from taxes and operate virtually without cost.

It’s the sweetest arrangement ever!!!!

Also, one more thing: What will all the returning troops do when they get back home? Replace workers who have already been “re-hired” and who are making 50% of what they made several years ago?

Agreed. However, the legislation, “- - is authorized to use force
against any nation, organization or individual he or she deems
responsible or connected to 9/11.”  As clarified by Congesswoman
Barbara Lee, the resolution granting Pres. Bush war authorization was
a blank check that described no mission. 

Nor did the FBI discover evidence that Osama bin Laden was involved in
the event of 11 Sep 2001.  Absent tons of aluminium, blood and guts
smeared on the pentagon and scattered all over the lawn, and fire
created by jet fuel, TV coverage of the event evidenced that no
airliner had crashed into the pentagon.

The horrific murder two days ago, conducted in Pakistan, demonstrates
“the mission.”  Continuing to defraud the world with the myth of an
allegedly, evil man.  A man who died ten years ago from renal failure. 
The horrific murder of a Pakistani family, deliberately misrepresented
to be Osama bin Laden clan, by USGOV mercenaries, is standard
operating procedure.  Simple, standard operating procedure for super-
rich, string-pullers, manipulating US politicians and generals of the
U.S.Military, to engage in a form of genocide of folk, that have done
no harm to the USA, while stealing their oil.

“The mission,” was apparently clearly stated as a summary statement in
1981. “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when
everything the American public believes is false.”—William Casey,
CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)
Congresswoman Barbara Lee is attempting to rescind the mission-less,
carte blanche, 9-11 related authorization granted to Pres. Bush, which
has been consistently mis-used.  Chalk up points for the ladies,
especially Congresswoman Lee, and for Mrs. Goodman for publicizing the
information !

AG obviously feels that it is right and correct to let Afghanistan fall back into the hands of the Taliban.

Which means (as happened before under Taliban rule):
*That children be refused schooling.
*That women should be obliged to wear a burka in public.
*That women will be put to death for adultery.
*That the country should be enslaved once again under Salafist Muslim rule.

Right, AG, all those reasons are superb arguments for pulling out Western troops and leave Afghanistan to its own devices.

When pigs sprout wings.

When the mercenaries out number the military, the war is not for
country, but for private corporate profit and it is passed time the
private corporate for profit wars end.

Amy, amy, amy…

If we just had war with Pakistan we would be getting off easy and so would the world.

No, I believe we are in for something really big. Certain people are talking about a nuke from Pakistan or Iran the same way they were talking about 911 before it happened. There was a well documented buzz. Like there is now.

Just like today. This is leading up to something much worse.

Those in the press who consistently deny the truth about the numerous false flag attacks, including 911, and since then, and refuse to report the thousands of reputable experts who have proven it so, need to take some responsibility here.

This is no joke and you guys blew it when it mattered most. You can’t get back the hundreds of thousands of innocent dead. There is no more anti-war movement. Just endless war, senseless death of innocent people, and another attack on America by paid CIA mercenaries in the works.

You better get off your ass and realize that the situation is totally out of control and start doing your job.

If not, sleep well. You guys totally make me sick.

David J. Cyr, May 4 at 12:05 pm,

Sophistry gone to seed.

Mission Creep:

The creeps who created this mission, had every intention of allowing this mission to creep totally out of proportion to need in order to achieve poorly hidden objectives.

“Accomplish the Mission [of] Bring[ing] the Troops Home.”!

The Afghani Government wants us out, “In an interview with The Washington Post, Karzai said that he wanted American troops off the roads and out of Afghan homes and that the long-term presence of so many foreign soldiers would only worsen the war.” the Afghan people want us out. Pew Global Attitudes Polls conducted from 2007 to the present, show that the majority of people in the world want us out, including the people of NATO nations. NATO has stated that the mission will be completed by 2014. Pentagon officials say the 2014 date is “Aspirational.” I don’t believe the mission will ever be “completed.” I believe the real mission of these creeps is to totally subjugate the Middle East and Southern Asia to control by the west. Actually, I believe the creeps have even larger aspirations. Are they really that sinister? Yes and no, what they are is a bunch of morons, with the moral sophistication of gutter rats. These creeps believe in empire, they admire empire, and they are the students of empire; puny little creeps with a Napoleon complex. Moronic reprobates masquerading as intellects.

Daily Kos:

“The American people cannot afford permanent war in Afghanistan- not morally, or financially. Extending the war until 2014 will not deliver the Obama administration’s stated objectives and will cost the American taxpayer nearly half a trillion dollars more…”

Data shows that Republican voters are in favor of keeping a military presence in Afghanistan by a margin of two to one, while Democratic voters want to bring the troops home by a margin of two to one. Any rational unbiased person would agree that Democratic domestic policies will benefit ordinary Americans more than Republican domestic policies, but in terms of Foreign Policy, little difference between the leaders of the two parties is evident. A message needs to be sent to the Committee to Re-Elect the President. (C. RE.-E. P.)

Obama is likeable to too many people. In reality he is: a charismatic presence, a seeming success story, a product of elitist disconnected academia, a husband and father, and sadly, a creep.

Amy Goodman quoted Barbara Lee:

“I can’t overstate how important this is for our democracy—every poll has shown that over 65, 70 percent of the public now is war-weary.”
_____________

That’s so (D)isingenuous!

Where’s the “democracy” that liberals claim is ours? We never had any here. It’s always been oligarchy from Day One to present. We aren’t able to get democracy here, because there are too many Democrats.

How could so many Americans be war-weary when very few have economic draft “volunteered” to have any actual exposure to the wars? Liberals vote for war, then they complain about having to pay for the wars that they voted for before and will keep voting again for, with every chance they get to vote.

The only polls that matter are those held on election days. 99% of Americans who vote reliably vote for more war every time they vote.

There are no good Democrats. Any Democrat perceived to be “good” is a Democrat who has successfully deceived the perceivers.

When Caesar was killed ever leader from that time forth was Caesar
and, also,  the King is dead, long live the King, will this be Osama bin
Laden is dead, long live Osama bin Laden?  Does Osama bin Laden
have cartoon character lives for political benefit one way or the other?

Mission Accomplished

Bin Laden is not the reason we are in the Middle East wars, and his death/execution won’t bring about the end of the wars.

Early news reports of his death say he resisted, but maybe that is a normal reaction to getting shot in the head. It turns out Bin Laden was unarmed. Oh well. And the reports that he used his wife to shield him were also bogus. Who knows what else is bogus?

The problem is that our news media act as glorified secretaries, taking each government (or corporate) press release and reprinting it as news regardless of the truth.

Remember how Saddam was falsely held responsible for September 11th by Bush and Cheney, the claim parroted by the media in the buildup to that war? That false belief became ‘fact’ for many people, long after Bush and Cheney were forced to retract their earlier false statements.

Why did they lie? Because lies work. You can create the false narrative, put down anybody who questions it as being unpatriotic, and the lie becomes the new reality, at least for the unquestioning general public. Delay the truth for as long as you can, and more people will believe the manufactured myth.  Mission Accomplished.

You cannot have a corrupted government without having a corrupted news media. You cannot have peace without justice, and you cannot have justice if it is based on lies.

Was the Osama bin Laden that got killed the same Osama bin Laden
that had kidney failure and had to carry around with him a
contraption to flush his kidney’s in order to continue
to live?

Not going to happen. The empire would collapse.

Wake up America! It’s time… “THE REVOLUTION HAS STARTED”
Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

“Spread the News”

Good article, man!

Institutions yield war reluctantly.  People demand peace.

I agree—— mission accomplished—— bring our troops home.

I would have to agree with Goodman that President Obama did use bin Laden’s death as a platform for political grandstanding. Afghanistan, like Iraq, is nothing more than a quagmire for our troops. Sadly, it a nation that we will never be able to “rebuild,” and, I sincerely doubt that the Afghans can rebuild the country as well.

One of the only reasons we have found allies in Afghanistan is that we have paid money to the tribes for their support. How much longer is that supposed to last?

We need to cut our losses, and get the hell out. Regardless, the nation is never going to recover from the destruction that the Russians, Taliban, and Americans have brought to it.

Amy, for the longest time (going back to your old radio shows) you’ve been coming up with poll results that show that the American people are opposed to this or that policy.  To be war-weary doesn’t mean to be anti-intervention in the Middle East which is the real issue. It’s nice to have the hope that Americans have changed their way of looking at this.  But we cannot afford sentimental hope in dealing with serious matters -the only thing we have is reality. The voting record of the population contradicts any anti-war hope, election after election. And you think that more petitions will do it?  Really, it’s misleading, and you should know better by now.

From “Voices for Creative NonViolence” regarding children and the American war in Afghanistan:

“They live in a country where 850 children die every day, a country which the UN has termed the worst country in the world into which a child can be born, where the average life expectancy is 42 years of age.  The UN says that 7.4 million Afghans live with hunger and fear of starvation, while millions more rely on food help, and one in five children die before the age of five. Each week, the U.S. taxpayers spend two billion dollars to continue the war in Afghanistan.”

Where’s the aforementioned petition?  How broad will the circulation be?  To whom?  How about Truthdig stating a “bloggers’ petition” of its own?