rico, suave, March 18 at 1:07 pm,

Maybe we are all going to have to learn to shovel horseshit, or put
bags under the horses tails to catch it, like the police do in some
cities, like Ft. Worth, TX and Tulsa, OK, where I have seen horse’s
rear end bags. 

Not certain exactly where it is at, but in the past, I have studied
about the last days, I believe with Pastor Pack, and if I remember
correctly, Gog, which is Russia, will attack Israel on horseback on
dry land.  At the time it was a wonderment as to how such a
happening could actually take place, but it is becoming more and
more clear as time goes by. 

The Aswan High and Low dams that have been built and possibly
others that will be built will cause the land to be dry and because
of earthquakes in various places, nuclear energy will be put down
and there won’t be any energy other than horses.  Israel, of
course, will be blamed by all countries for the turmoil.  The attack
on Israel from dry land on horseback will cause the Messiah to
return for the defense of Israel. 

Maybe elephants and camels could also be used.

The effect of radioactive fallout on humans - and all life - is not uncharted, which you, prisnersdilema, poignantly explain.

One tends to focus on the idea briefly mentioned by Adminral Hyman
Rickover in his official testimony before Congress. That, life on
earth could not exist until the radiation no longer existed. This in
mind, the question arises, who is behind the observable trend to
invoke man-made, nuclear radiation around the earth globe? 

Is this trend a secondary effect of the greed of nuclear energy
proponents?  Or is it the goal of the “forces” behind the trend?

MarthaA:

I really hope you’re kidding about the horses. Where will we get the feed for them. And isn’t there just too much horseshit around already?

“ - - Rickover had no trouble fathering the “nuclear navy”. Guess he couldn’t have been too concerned.”  “And who are the sick bastards making fun of nuclear radiation on truthdig?”  Rico

The concern of admiral Rickover was recorded in official, U.S. Congress testimony, available for all to read.

From my viewpoint, “sick bastards” is less than an adequate description of the group in subject. Superficially viewed, proponents of “nuclear energy” fall into three classifiable groups, with some overlap.

As far as an address of one of them, some of us have many addresses. 
http://www.projectcamelot.org/underground_bases.html

However, it takes more than an address to gain entrance.
At this time, it appears that if you don´t carry the badge, you don’t get it. Wearing a senior pilot shirt makes no difference.
http://www.informantnews.com/starshipgamma/underground/
under5.html

I certainly wish the U.S. would get out of nuclear energy.  If they
can’t get anything going with solar and wind, then we need more
horses, instead of destroying ourselves.

Apparently the world is going to be destroyed by fire by the people
through their nuclear energy projects during upcoming earthquakes
in various places around the world way before the sun destroys the
earth.

There is a vast difference between nuclear bombs and reactors. Nuclear warheads can
be engineered to produce short lived radiation, most are designed to be airburst, which
keeps the fallout to a minimum. There are on the other hand doomsday weapons
engineered to produce maxim lethal contamination with radiation having half lifes in the
hundred of years.  And then here is plutonium oxide a gas, of which 1 and a half pounds
released into the atmosphere could destroy most of the world. Reactor fires ending in
the china syndrome, are quite dirty, and contaminate thousands of square miles.
Chernobyl was one reactor, Fukishima is 6. Even the experts don’t know what to expect
on this, were in uncharted territory.

Dr B:

Despite his exegesis on the formation of the planet, Rickover had no trouble fathering the “nuclear navy”. Guess he couldn’t have been too concerned.

And who are the sick bastards making fun of nuclear radiation on truthdig?

I have an address for one of the caves, if you need it. Mostly Spam and water, and no internet, but hey.

Well, you’re right about the apples and oranges thing going on in my mind. That was my point about Amy’s approach. (Although she didn’t paint a picture of radiation sickness, which is what you dwell on.) She painted a picture of physical devastation by use of her opening quote, and so neatly conflated Hiroshima with Sendai, thereby putting the reader in a frame of mind to see the ruin of Sendai caused by the Fukushima accident and NOT the earthquake and tsunami. Neat rhetorical trick. All I’m sayin’.

As for radiation effects, of course they’re the same, whether from bomb or leaky reactor. A dying victim probably wouldn’t be comforted by the distinction. The difference of course is that a bomb takes you pretty much by surprise and you have little chance to protect yourself, whereas, except in the case of Chernobyl, a leaky reactor’s danger can be mitigated and minimized by effective emergency procedures, civil defense and evacuation measures. Just as we saw at Three Mile Island in 1979 (death toll- zero), and as we’re seeing now in Japan.

Napalm is made with gasoline. Since napalm is a horrible weapon (which, by the way, killed far, far more Japanese civilians and destroyed far, far more property during WWII than the nukes did), do we outlaw gasoline because of its “inter-relationship” with napalm?

Yes, I will forever put Fukushima-TMI-Chernobyl from Hiroshima-Nagasaki into separate boxes in my mind. But, to show you that I can understand inter-relationships, I will always relate anti-nuclear actvists with luddites.

Do you remember when “progressivism” embraced science and technology instead of vilifying it? What happened?

Indeed!

It takes a gifted journalist to utilize cute, rhetorical tricks in
order to get across, effectively, the deathly serious information
about nuclear radiation. Which some ignoramuses make fun of.

The great Jewish American Patriot, four-star admiral Hyman Rickover
did it differently in testimony before the U.S. Congress. He
expressed it a bit more concretely, but still has been ignored by the
shadow USGov “beings”. Admiral Rickover explained superficially that
nuclear radiation had to dissipate before life appeared on earth. One
tends to conclude that the “beings” in charge of the USGov are
slowly, artificially INVOKING that same nuclear radiation: many of us
know the consequence.

However, most of us do not have access to the deep, underground
facilities, scattered all over the U.S., prepared and stocked for the
predicted, perhaps shortly forthcoming event.

So nuclear weapons are “a subject totally irrelevant” to Sendai and the possibility
of another meltdown of yet another nuclear power plant.

Rico, you have a neatly segregated bunch of little boxes inside your head, I
swear.  All nicely closed off each one separated from all others.  This peculiar
characteristic enables you to be both muddleheaded and reactive.  Apparently
the boxes contain some active ingredient called “inter-relationships” which want
to get out, and the boxes are rattling around in there, causing one to explode
every now and then into some fatal leakage of misinformation or
misunderstanding which then appears on line as a more or less poisonous
remark.

Radiation sickness is the same horror, whether from a bomb or from a leak in a
cooling system in Fukushima or anywhere else.  It’s all the same ball of wax
called nuclear power, and it all carries unethical “waste materials” which most
people would like to bury—if only they could find a place to put it where it
wouldn’t do any more damage.

Anyone see Amy’s cute rhetorical trick?

A quote about a “steamrolled” city- Hiroshima (which was evidently safe enough even for a journalist to visit only one month, not decades, after the blast, but I digress).

We have all seen the pictures of a “steamrolled” city- Sendai and its environs. And we hear reports of a nuke plant in serious danger of leaking serious radiation- Fukushima Daiishi.

Because she starts her article with a completely irrelevant quote about a city “steamrolled” by a nuclear BOMB, she has conditioned us to subliminally see Sendai’s “steamrolled” devastation as somehow connected to the nuke plant, which allows her to go on a rant about the destructiveness of nuclear energy and weapons: Look at Sendai! Oh, the horror!!

Nukes are all the same be they weapons or heat sources! They MUST be eliminated!

Brilliant! She is a fabulous propagandist. Bet she majored in psych in college.

Sure enough, gerard totally falls for it, sharing with us a heartfelt cry of anguish over the existence of nuclear weapons, a topic totally irrelevant to the present tragedy.

Nuclear matters always appear covered in some kind of shroud—whether it be
illness, death, dread,  fear, apprehension, defensiveness or guilt.  The making and
use of nuclear bombs has laid a huge sense of guilt on everybody who had
anything to do with it, directly or indirectly, admitted or plausibly denied. The
guilt adds another layer to the fear and dread.  All these feelings are naturally
justified; they remind us that we are, after all the cruelties and offenses, still
human, still salvageable, still potential.  We can become better than we are, and
we know by comparison what “better” means. 

The worst temptation is to deny these facts and to turn away and resign ourselves
to impotence.

It’s much too late, for any warnings, because mankind no longer has the ability to make
use of any information that is not in the form of a T.V. Commercial, talk show, or
sermon.

As a child I used to imagine how wonderful the future would be, the future progress of
man seemed guaranteed by science.  Eventually science would free us, from problems
that have plagued mankind since the dawn of time, war, poverty, disease. All would be
conquered in turn. Eventually we would become a type II civilization. 

Yet some scientists believed that maybe the reason why we, were never able to
establish contact with another civilization in outer space was because, they blew
themselves up, or died in some unfortunate planetary accident ala deep impact. 

There is another possibility. Maybe the just go mad. That’s what’s happening to us now,
we’ve gone mad. And like all madman we’ve lost the ability to see into our own
madness. So reason will no longer prevail, because our leadership are the most
disturbed of us all.

Amy, you’re on to something here. If you want to make a career out of publishing prescient warnings that the oblivious human race will ignore, here’s a tip:

Get yourself a gross of packets of Post-It notes and a Bible. Open the cover and start reading. Every time you find a pertinent warning or cautionary tale, write it up and get it published. Mark the page with a Post-It, so you don’t run the risk of repeating yourself with the same warning. (Many of the biblical stories are redundant, and it’s damned difficult to keep track of them all).

That should set you up for life. Well, I can’t be sure of that, since I have no idea how old you are. But should you finish the Bible, and have some time left, you could start on Aesop.