Looks like Dupnik’s incorrect, uncalled-for political analysis and unprofessional summary verdict machine is being shut down:

http://pimasheriff.org/about-us/publications/news-and-announcements/shooting-update/

But i am sure you will protest that the shut down is a vast right wing conspiracy. The fascists are coming, eh ITW? That being the case, Leftist Sheriffs are supposed to prejudge motive and then announce the suspect’s guilt or innocence with aplumb. Leftists who fighting the tide of fascism certainly dont have to mind the rules of their job.

By Spooky-43, January 15 at 11:26 am:  If hateful speech caused massacres, Bush, Palin, Limbaugh and Beck would all be long dead.

It’s not the perpetrators of inflammatory rhetoric who are in danger.  It’s their targeted opponents. You’ve got it a bit twisted up there.  Thanks for the laugh, though. 

This is a variation on the illogic blared by Rush a few days ago that claimed we should be seeing violent incidents every day if the recent calls to violence are really a factor in the Tuscon incident. 

So until we reach that level, violence every day, anyone who opposes their speech doesn’t have a solid gripe.  If we wait till we get to that point to speak up we’ll all be dead.  The Rs really have a deft hand with the bon mots.

Thank you Amy Goodman for giving us a glimpse into the local issues.  What you provided is the tip of the iceberg.

“The crying shame is that there would not be half the media attention if the shooting did not involve a congresswoman.”

Yes and if the shooting did not involve a congresswomen, it would not have been political!

“The week of that interview began with the House passing the health care bill on Sunday. Within hours, on Monday morning, vandals smashed the front door of Giffords’s office in Tucson. The Palin “target” map (and the accompanying Twitter dictum to “RELOAD”) went up on Tuesday, just one day after that vandalism — timing that was at best tone-deaf and at worst nastily provocative. Not just Giffords, but at least three other of the 20 members of Congress on the Palin map were also hit with vandalism or death threats.”

source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/opinion/16rich.html?src=me&ref=general

Coinkydinks?  Do not think so me soft minded might is right friends!

By MarthaA, January 13 at 2:17 am Link to this comment

“I agree with Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, the Right-Wing EXTREMIST hate rhetoric is what caused the massacre and there is a lot of it consistently, all over the nation, but worse in AZ”

If hateful speech caused massacres, Bush, Palin, Limbaugh and Beck would all be long dead.

Has there ever been campaigns of hate launched against anyone in modern history which exceeds that launched by the left against George W. Bush?  His assasination was called for daily, and in one example, his decapitation was called for with a picture of his body-less head dripping blood.

And now similar treatment is aimed at Sarah Palin.  The latest video on You Tube shows a montage of comments calling for her assasination or murder.
Do I need to post some links?

If Palin were actually assasinated, would the left take the blame and say it was caused by their hateful rhetoric?  Or would they gloat and say she deserved it? 

If the sheriff thinks hate speech is a problem, why doesn’t he come out against that “aimed” at Palin, etal?  Hypocrites?  No doubt about it.

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“”“When I interviewed Dupnik, he called Arizona’s gun laws
“insane,” and reaffirmed the link he made between political
rhetoric and the shooting: “I think that there are a lot of people
in the radio industry, especially, and some in the TV industry,
who make millions of dollars off of inflaming the public,
purveying hate against the government, and distrust. In my
judgment, people who are mentally unstable are very susceptible
to the kind of rhetoric that’s going on in our country.””“
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When someone pays a lush rembaugh $280,000,000.00 some
odd dollars a year, or is that how much he has been given
todate, that just about has to be coming down from above and
I’m not talking god. As Dupnik postis the ‘inflaming of the public
and purveying hate against the government’. This alludes to
people doing the dirty work to enact or carry out agendas of
others. And discounting a rupert murdock is just like making out
that he is dead where in reality, the rembaughs and murdocks
are never more dangerous where it is believed they are dead or
ineffective. That is a tough row to hoe for Dupnik because it is
about like his trying to enforce the law while other sheriffs give
the criminals a pass or sort of like living in 2 states at the same
time.

I have watched ‘Zietgeist’ documentary and it has enlightened
me on several things and I don’t feel like going out and shooting
a bunch of people. And I don’t think it to be pack of lies like we
hear from our msm day in and day out or our corrupt politicians
who for the most part CAN’T tell the truth.

I also don’t think Chalmers Johnson is a liar. I think him as a true
patriot. Same goes for many other authors who try to get at the
truth. So much of it is rough going but I would rather know than
keep listening to sweet tongue rhetoric that is a master talking
through his puppet.

The current political climate was not instituted by “right extremists”, “left extremists” or “in-between extremists.”  The current political climate is a function of the U.S. Gov. “kingpins” since Allen Dulles assigned NAZI SS general Gehlin to revamp the OSS into the CIA.  The first “Operation Paper Clip,” which falsified the family histories of 200 NAZI scientists, and the passports that brought them into the U.S., began the nazification of the U.S.A.  This hateful diminution of the U.S. Constitution, and disregard of President Truman´s directive, initiated the political degradation that has evolved into the current state of affairs. The cross-fire blaming of politician-types, who are not subordinates of the current administration, is a function of the CIA “Disinformation Program.”  A patriotic Jewish lady, Mrs. Mae Brussell told us about what was in progress and who was behind it, already in the 1980s. A patriotic Jewish investigator, Mr. Sherman Skolnick, told us all about the Chicago, the Illinois, the family Bush, the Chicago Obama, and the nazification of the U.S.  His questionable death also suggests the involvement of satanic forces. 

The concept that a “loner looney” was “normal” at the age of twenty is also a fairy tale.  Experts in human development determined fifty years ago that all the personality characteristics one wears into childhood and teenage development are acquired between eighteen months, and at the very latest, thirty months for the slow-gos.  Given, the application of MKUltra techniques can warp a personality swiftly. 

Rather than assigning responsibility for the current “extremism” to personalities inside the improperly-named “tea party,” it is wise to seek out the origin of this “extremism.”  The marvellous American Patriot “Jews”, Brussell and Skolnick traced it to the U.S. CIA, and the family Bush.  Documents of the U.S. Congress substantiate that punitive action was taken against the Bush family for financially supporting the WWII NAZI movement.  When we take a look at the secretive Director of the CIA, at the time of the murder of JFKSr, the political squashing of the Texas investigation of the skinning-murders of the “hippie family” in Brownsville 1985, of which George Bush (Jr) was a member, the John Hinkley, Jr. March 30, 1981, attempted murder of Ronald Reagan, and the man who subsequently made the decisions for Pres. Reagan, who was subsequently elected to the U.S. presidency -  a pattern emerges.  The US Pres election of 2000, 2004, the US Pres executive directives that have circumnavigated the U.S. Constitution, and the illegal, world-wide activities of the CIA, Blackwater/Ex etc, etc, and the “u.s. president” who initiated the current genocide in Moslem countries, personalities in the “tea party” are suddenly invisible.

One function of the CIA Disinformation Program is to belittle this source information, scapegoat the proponents, and exacerbate the “crossfire” among various groups of patriotic Americans.  This distracts from the Israeli Zionist putrification of the Federal Reserve and the U.S. banking industry.  It also eases the path for the Kenyan who has lived a lie since his 20th birthday.  Still, not nearly as rotten as the NAZI spy from Doerlitzsch, who forsook his homeland and subsequently betrayed the U.S.of A.  The only persons in the Palin entourage who are smeared with any of this specie of feces, are the CIA- “types” who have infiltrated the “tea party” and other parties that are not subordinate to the Dem & Rep parties, the CIA and the MOSSAD.

“There’s enough blame to go round on this hate-speech issue. “
That’s a vague innocuous statement. It begs the question of what you mean by ‘hate speech’ and the sheer quantity and intensity of it.
Obama has been attacked from the Right in ballistic terms on the Health Care debate several times. He has also been attacked by his own progressive constituents.
But the tenor and content of the attacks from the Right are dramatically different - Obama being compared to Hitler or Stalin -  a whole militant revolutionary imagery about taking back America that is disturbing and violent. Town hall meetings with guns and threats etc…
It sounds morally righteous to claim everbody’s equally to blame on that subject but the facts just don’t support it. Violent threatening rhetoric is a core consituent of rightwing, for want of a better word, discousre. It stands to reason when you examine their frontier anti-government politics

Nobody wants to hear this,but in view of the prsent “political climate” it might be well to consider a few mea culpas from the so-called “liberal” side for name-calling, wild accusations and mean-spirited personal criticisms proferred here previous to, and after the health-care debate.  There’s enough blame to go round on this hate-speech issue.

We really need to learn how to use our anger and disappointment to probe areas where change for the better might be possible, and consider how to promote real discussion and avoid bickering.  Maybe it’s not possible in a venue like TD, but I wish it were.

Nobody wants to hear this,but in view of the prsent “political climate” it might be well to consider a few mea culpas from the so-called “liberal” side for name-calling, wild accusations and mean-spirited personal criticisms proferred here previous to, and after the health-care debate.  There’s enough blame to go round on this hate-speech issue.

We really need to learn how to use our anger and disappointment to probe areas where change for the better might be possible, and consider how to promote real discussion and avoid bickering.  Maybe it’s not possible in a venue like TD, but I wish it were.

I agree with Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, the Right-Wing EXTREMIST hate rhetoric is what caused the massacre and there is a lot of it consistently, all over the nation, but worse in AZ.  The Right-Wing EXTREMISTS have no use for Jews or the populace, and their hateful rhetoric pitted one Jewish person against another Jewish person, as the Congresswoman and the shooter are both Jewish.

Since the young man was normal when he was 20, I suspect there may be more to his psychiatric problems than meets the eye, similar to the CIA’s MK Ultra military psychiatric experiments where young men were grabbed and used for murder by the Right-Wing EXTREME:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i46RI2twVao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks398_KFJ6M

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7461738120783343519#

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2010/021610Lendman.shtml

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A portion of an interview this morning on Good Morning America.  Ashleigh Banfield with Zach Osler, who is a high school friend of the shooter Jared Loughner.

Ashleigh Banfield: “What was his motive in Saturday’s attack and what about the speculation that he may have been fueled by partisan politics and rhetoric in the media?”

OSLER: “He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left; he wasn’t on the right.”

After Osler said that Loughner wasn’t on the left or on the right, never listened to political radio, Ashley Banfield said…

Banfield:  Instead he points to this online documentary series called Zeitgeist as the gas on Loughner’s fire.  It’s a documentary movement that rails on currency-based economics.

OSLER:  I really think that this is Zeitgeist documentary had a profound impact upon Jared Loughner’s mind-set and how he viewed the world that he lives in.

It wasn’t just Zeitgeist. “According to reports, Loughner’s favorites included little-known conspiracy theory documentaries such as ‘Zeitgeist’ and ‘Loose Change’ as well as ‘A Scanner Darkly.”

According to CBS News “Zeitgeist is “a 2007 documentary that asserts Jesus Christ is a myth, that 9/11 was orchestrated by the government, and that bankers manipulate the international monetary system and the media in order to consolidate power.”

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Shouldn’t Amy Goodman be writing a piece, not on what Sheriff Dupnik personally feels may have caused this young man to go off, but what the sad young man may have believed set him off?

Review: It wasn’t Palin and right-wing acrid political discourse that likely fired this sad young man up to kill people, it may have been a few conspiracy movies (put together by deranged leftists, it turns out) according to his best friend, that was the most influential media of this young man’s life.

Interesting…..9/11 Truther and the belief in an global Oligarchy.  Jared Loughner sounds like a potential TruthDig regular, yes?

“The situation in Arizona is not reflective of the situation in the USA.”
Well the ‘situation’ does not reduce to immigration problems. In the border states, like California, xenophobia and racism loom large and illegal immigration becomes a ready vehicle of such entrentched attitudes. Yet California hasn’t gone to the Arizona extreme. I am not denying that there is an immigration problem but the end does not justify the means - that kind of utilitarian cowboy vigilante anti-community ethic typifies the Right.

The situation in Arizona is not reflective of the situation in the USA. Nor can the Arizona situation
be reduced to two sheriffs using different tactics to advertise themselves as the bestest of the best.
Which is more despicable, a person beating ones breasts while saying I enforce the immigration laws,
or a person beating ones breasts while saying I am humane because I do not enforce the immigration laws of the USA?

New York is not plagued with Canadians who sneak into the state in order to deliver babies who
automatically become American citizens, thus qualified for Welfare and Health Care, at the cost of
the citizenry who are taxed for its upkeep.

A Sheriff who upholds the immigration laws of the U.S., and who is scapegoated by the USGov for
enforcing immigration laws, is being misused. Especially if he is not adequately equipped for the tasks at hand, and has to improvise.  Conversely, a sheriff, who is permitting immigration laws to be violated, is guilty of failure to implement the laws of the land, and is certainly no hero.

While patriot 10101 might be covering the “waterfront” beyond the experiential boundaries of
many readers, the blog touches on many key areas of long-term value.

Not to be avoided is the 9-11 event, which genuine experts say could not have happened as published by the USGov. 
Not to be avoided are the lies by the GHWBush family, claiming Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.
Not to be avoided is the genocide conducted in Iraq, and underway in Afghanistan and Pakistan. 
Not to be avoided are the videos by Colonel John Stockwell, who blows the whistle on the illegal, dishonest activities of the CIA, plus “The Chronicles of Chip Tatum,” blowing the whistle on GHWBushSr.
Not to be avoided is the theft of the Florida presidential election by the No. 2 son of GHWBushSr. 
Not to be avoided is the fact that no birth certificate for the Kenyan occupying the US Presidency has been presented.
Not to be avoided is that GHWBushSr kept secret that he was the Director of the CIA from about 1950-1981, during its heyday of destruction, including the murder of John F. Kennedy Sr.
Not to be avoided is the fact that WWII NAZI SS general Gehlin was appointed by NAZIS in the US to revamp the OSS into the CIA, 1945. And some folk wonder at the nazification of the USofA?
A summary of the 50-yr history of CIA destruction around the world was published by Congressman Ron Paul.

In comparison, the two sheriffs in Arizona, is simple distraction from real issues.

Amy is great, but her sights were not trued-in on the Arizona sheriff distraction bullshit.

Amy Goodman, who has spoken in our city to an appreciative crowd and was introduced by our fine mayor, has again shown herself in her article to be the voice of incisive reporting and classy restraint. She is a tenacious interviewer on Democracy Now, yet is always calm and presents a reasoned and balanced approach to the issue at hand. I just wish there were many more like her in the media. Thanks to Truthdig for including her among their contributors.

More controversially, she linked to the cross hairs map through a tweet that read, “Don’t Retreat, Instead—RELOAD!”

I hadn’t known about this….

Palin’s targeting map metaphor may have been provocative and appealing to the “sound byte mentality of her constituency, was utilized to focus political effort. I do not find that all too pernicious. The Left made similar allusions.

I do think she abandoned the original intent of the metaphor when she sent the cited tweek, which effectually transforms the trope from “focal points” to an actionable directive. Therein is where she crossed the line of civic discourse to outlandishness.

We all should recognize that the political atmosphere in this country is vitriolic. Both sides of the political aisle contribute. All of this is complexed with our addiction to sensationalism and lack of patience in exploring objectively the substance of the issues that divide us. We should, through our pocketbooks, demand from our media providers, a more comprehensive study of the issues.

Normal citizens, never mind the less mentally equipped, have gone from “push to shove” in no uncerain terms. It’s simply too easy for a nut-case to find reenforcemnt in a simplistic, and somewhat poisonous environment. It’s not a direct cause, but it contributes to the quality of the polity wherein we interact.  The cummulative effect of a daily stacatto of shallow catch phrases leads back upon itself to create a torrent. I for one would appreciate a little more thought and less sound byte.

Psycholigically, some people are more influenced than others by the environment and some are more self-influenced. Both are part of the fabric of our society. Both, and no doubt, multifarious variations, are necessary. We all cannot be pundits nor political leaders, nor deliberative intellects. A true leader has the ability to explain complex things in simple terms so that the entire gamut is informed and can make their elecive choices.

We put our trust in leaders to be wise enough to realize that they have the power to push emotive buttons eliciting a response in the public sphere. In many ways they represent the public good. Futhermore, it is their job to define the public good in terms that open up public debate and discouse and not close off furtherance of discourse with shallow platitudes.

To quote a much wiser walker of this Earth, “A good tree brings forth good fruit and a bad tree brings forth bad fruit.” What kind of tree are we growing here, for crissakes? It is up to us to cultivate our lives attentive to the results of our actions upon the future.

Words fail to describe the primitive callous world-view of these right wing freaks - who want to settle everything with guns and brutality - even running roughshod over the constitutional rights of citizens. It’s not the gun laws - it’s the mindset - a rogue individualism that cares nothing for the community welfare and is in love with a caricature of manhood - a John Wayne hypermasculinity. Sick.

Wow, it looks like we already have some of the loonies from Arizona commenting here. My brother lives in Prescott and he says he has never lived any place in the world with more downright stupid gun loving idiots who love Sheriff Arpaio as if he was some sort of Wyatt Earp and they were all his deputies. And then there are the people speculating about in action by Dupnik which could have prevented this tragedy. Some many undereducated Americans, so many will people willing to jump the gun and unwilling to actually think critically or rationally.

A Tale of Two Sheriffs, indeed. One is enforcing, you know laws. The other is grandstanding on blood of the innocent.

A Tale of Two Sheriffs, indeed. One is enforcing, you know, laws. The other political grandstanding on innocent blood.

@ temp, January 12 at 2:30 am —  yes; arpaio is bad. Full stop. The man is a
lunatic and a sadist, and one of the crazies you want locked up. Arpaio is a crazy
we have already identified. Loughner, not yet identified as a crazy. Until proven
otherwise, whatever he is, he’s not “a” crazy.

You, on the other hand, are sure looking borderline.

It was refreshing to hear this man speak with such clarity and intelligence about this atrocity - one cannot easily dismiss the gravity of his comments reinforced by his long experience in law enforcement!

the situation with sheriff dupnik is becoming a bit tangled.  the website ‘the cholla jumps’ reports that dupnik’s department had been contacted by various people who had received death threats from loughner.  apparently his deputies told the threatened that loughner was under the care of Pima county mental health programs, when in fact he wasn’t.  loughner’s mother works for Pima county and maybe, out of sympathy, loughner was given too much slack.

i agree with most of what dupnik says (especially his deploring arizona’s overly loose gun laws), but the guy MAY have acted unprofessionally and irresponsibly here.