TG:

Don’t blow a gasket…the steam is coming past the seals…..

Sit back, have a nice glass of wine and a valium.

At LEast JOhn STewart ANd KEith OLberman DOn’t THrow
OUt SChoolyard INsults

Really?

You can fool some of the people here but… your
defense of some of the most hateful, idiotic, clown-
patsies on the fake news, shows your intent not to
make waves. But clue me, where did you purchase those
blinders?

ANd who gave you the coronation to say who can insult
and who can not? Jon Doosh Lebovitz? By the way, MTV-
Jon has stated how very proud he is of his bathroom
humor. Sits well when the country is circling the
toilet bowl, doesn’t it?

Bzzzzzzzzt. You lose.

I’ll see YOU next time YOU call someone a witch,
crazy, off-balance, or anything else, if you do not
agree with them, including Sara Palin. And I’ll raise
you one.

And I already notified Jon Lebovits that I was
gunning for his insults, that was before his
ridiculous clown routine, in Washington, (during
which his producer beat up a protester). Thanks for
giving me more space to do it.

Your hunnie-boy.

ardee, November 9 at 11:33 pm Link to this comment
re: TropicGirl’s blistering rant)

“That ridiculous and sophomoric rant makes us all, and our points, less relevant.”

I wouldn’t say that. I’ll speak for myself, but TG has contributed a number of times and made a number of sound points, as so many others have here. An occasional toot of one’s whistle doesn’t mean the train engineer should be fired for wasting energy. Even if she or anyone else were to have been continually letting steam off through their whistle, all I could see was that people would just eventually ignore them.

If you don’t like it, INherit, go back in your world
of safety and “no waves”.
*****************

YOu MUst HAve me MIstaken FOr SOmebody ELse, TRopicgirl. PEhaps YOu HAvent SEen TOo MAny THreads HEre.

YOur ATtacks on PElosi ARe GRade SChool LEvel “Eat Poop”???  WHat Are YOu, SIx YEars OLd?

At LEast JOhn STewart ANd KEith OLberman DOn’t THrow OUt SChoolyard INsults, FIt FOr KIds WIth SIngle DIgit AGes.

Re: 3rd party voter, November 5 at 1:55 pm.

You state: “You are charged with a basic failure to understand the founding documents and/or the founders intent as partially described in the Federalist Papers.”

Response: In all honesty, I couldn’t agree more with this premise.

Simply put, the evidence in support of voter value in respect to changing the Rules by which the Guardians play by, appertaining to any of the branches of government or agencies thereof, is as likely to affect or alter the outcome arising from the lack of Standing to State a Claim for which relief cam be Granted, pro or con, in a system of governance you’ve been duped into believing you’re a party too!!!

In support of the aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

Individuals, singularly or collectively, find it hard to face their duty upon the Watchtower of self-determination in support of self-evident principles, ‘that all men are by nature are equally free and independent, and have certain unalienable rights, of which, when they enter into a State of Society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety,’ but the irresponsibility of past, present, or future generations inability to face the facts, doesn’t change just because they refuse to face the truth truth. Even when the facts of the truth is hard to face!

In order to establish facts, reasonable people base such upon documentary evidence, the observation of the parties and the statements of witnesses who gave or give evidence on the spot if available or possible.

In assessing the evidence for the purpose of establishing the facts, reasonable people consider the following elements are relevant.

In assessing both written and oral evidence, reasonable people hitherto generally applied “beyond a reasonable doubt” as the standard of proof required. Such proof may follow from the coexistence of sufficiently strong, clear and concordant inferences or of similar unrebutted presumptions of fact; in addition, the conduct of the parties in relationship to the arbiter’s efforts and willingness to view all facts and/or obtain evidence, may constitute an element to be taken into account. Depending on whether the Arbiter acts from the Standing of Honor or has some Conflict of interest unknown to a particular or both parties applicable to the controversies in question.

And, reasonable people may also, consider as relevant facts, even if the circumstances took place in time long ago, in an obscure and particularly complex context, which makes some degree of imprecision about other details inevitable, evidence proffered as to cast doubt on the credibility of the parties, witnesses, or evidenced produced. Even when there are contradictory and opposing accounts of the facts.

If the truth is what you seek, knock and it shall be given. But don’t complain, if your unwilling to answer the door because as we all know, the only pathway through the doorway is by invitation only!

We honorably await any evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised within the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidence, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

Why is it ok for Jon Lebovitz to call people douches,
for The Olberman Publicity Stunt to call people crazy
and for Chris Matthews to call people criminal
terrorists if they don’t agree with his twisted world
view?

The Democrats have shown us that there are no limits.
Right? As long as it works? Name of the Nancy game,
eh?

If you don’t like it, INherit, go back in your world
of safety and “no waves”. What said did MUST WORK,
because its all the Democrats are doing these days.
And paying good money for it to the likes of Mark
Penn (Hillary’s darling) and Karl Rove (the Architect
of War and Murder). And don’t make any mistake…
Rove will work for ANYONE that preserves the thieving
status quo. I AM SURE Y’ALL WATCHED THE SAME ELECTION
I DID, DIDN’T YOU? And many RINOS joined in because
they were shit scared of reform.

So, whether you like it or not, the fake
progressives, the Roveans and all the others have set
the tone. THEY SAY IT WORKS. And what do they say
when the well-meaning candidates complain? Well, if
you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen,
right Karl? Right? Right? Not “up to prime time?”
Remember?

I’ve been trying to make this point about CENSORSHIP
BY RIDICULE ever since the election began. The paid
media operatives continued to do it, and still revel
in it, with NO complaints by the likes of Nancy.

I guess I finally made my point.

So in the meantime, Nancy, that sick hag, ugly on the
outside, no doubt because she is 10000X more ugly on
the inside. She eats poop and tells her bosses she
loves it. And her behind is so worn out she can’t sit
down anymore.

I would say the same about the fake Republicans that
are preparing to screw their incoming reform
hopefuls, the way Nancy and O-Stupid DELIBERATELY
screwed the sincere liberals, who, at the time, had
70% of the support of the electorate in hopes for
reform.

So, let me cry for Nancy, ok? I’d call her a douche
but I wouldn’t want to insult the douche.

BR549, November 9 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

Ardee, (re: TropicGirl’s blistering rant)

Yeah, but I understood exactly where she was and the frustration she had; she, I, and a couple hundred million other of us. It just adds a little color to an otherwise potentially passionless website conversation.

You may understand her frustration, and arent we all more than a bit frustrated? But the point is , at least in my opinion, that color is not what was added, sophomoric nonsense was. That ridiculous and sophomoric rant makes us all, and our points, less relevant.

ardee, November 9 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

Did you attend the ITW School of Political Posting?

****************

Clearly not.  When did I EVER attack the appearance of a public official, especially a woman?

Or is that another RD fantasy about things RD imagined I posted, but didn’t?  Or is RD next going to say “But you were thinking that!”???????

The funny thing is, just like a broken clock, RD is right on rare occasions. Tropicgirl’s attacks on Pelosi are flat-out ridiculous.  Attack her for her actions, her words, her motives, her lies (if any), rather than her appearance.

Being pretty or ugly as a toad has nothing to do with governing ability or honesty.  Nancy Pelosi is no more or less a whore than any other politician in the world.  Orren Hatch is 10x the whore Pelosi is (and, ironically, ol’ 2-faced Orren on the targeting radar of the TeaParty!)

Ardee, (re: TropicGirl’s blistering rant)

Yeah, but I understood exactly where she was and the frustration she had; she, I, and a couple hundred million other of us. It just adds a little color to an otherwise potentially passionless website conversation.

Robinson needs a bit of a wake up call, as well, actually a dope slap, to get him out of his Hopium delirium. If and when talk like TropicGirl’s starts in on fellow contributors (and she hasn’t done that), then, that would be crossing the line. Gene, here, took his chances, however, when put his name to yet another sycophantic apologist article supporting the new Bush v2.008

But back to Pelosi, she had an OBLIGATION of office to pursue impeachment, at least to see if it was objectively warranted and hopefully putting partisan politics aside. It actually is possible for true “statesmen” to realize when it’s time to cull or censure one of their own. The issue is one of integrity and that narcissistic bitch flat don’t have it, to use the vernacular. It was NOT her duty to avoid impeachment to further her own personal and political gain. Here we are, nine years later; we all know what happened on 9/11 and who made out, yet the healing and recovery processes have been thrown in the trash by the equally guilty Democrats.

BTW, thanks to our illustrious and corrupt legislature, the banks will be taking another hit. We can thank Nancy for her contribution ..... and would someone wipe the sleepers out of Gene’s eyes?
See: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A75EW20101108

Not unless anyone has a viable answer or theory, I don’t think I will ever
understand why, considering the amazing support and momentum the Democrats
controlled after the last presidential elections, why would you declare that
“impeachment is off the table”. There was no need to broadcast your intentions to
capitulate on any issue regarding war crimes or any such criminal behavior at that
point in time. If anything you could have at least kept the repugs on the edge of
their seats and kept important bargaining chips. Pelosi gave the farm away right
from the get go. I would certainly like to know the logic behind that catastrophic
blunder. Was it because she and many other Dems voted in favor for the war in
Iraq?

tropicgirl, November 9 at 4:04 am

I would offer that there are any number of things one might criticize Pelosi for doing or refusing to do.

I would also note that your horrific and very,very, even abysmally, stupid rant has no place in a political forum. What do her looks have to do with anything at all?

I am no fan of Nancy’s, nor do I have any use for the entire Democratic Party for that matter. But I have even less use for folks like you who make political debate more obscure for having to wade through such absolute and pointless garbage.

Did you attend the ITW School of Political Posting?

tropicgirl, November 9 at 4:04 am Link to this comment
“She’s a pig, A whore. The worst thing you can imagine in public service. She’s ugly. She’s vapid. And she never tires of telling the American people that they matter less than her. She is an opportunistic warmonger, sending kids to death. She is a liar, a fake, a fashion rejection. I hope she fights. Sweeter the put-down. Old, draggie down, worn out whore.”

Don’t hold yourself back there, TropicGirl! Whew! ....... I was continually amazed that the narcissistic bitch was always staring at herself in the TV monitors. How the hell she ever made it back in office is beyond me. The mystery is why Californians voted her back in and yet voted down the pot issue. They were obviously smoking something during the election. THAT’S a mystery.

She’s a pig, A whore. The worst thing you can imagine
in public service. She’s ugly. She’s vapid. And she
never tires of telling the American people that they
matter less than her.

She is an opportunistic warmonger, sending kids to
death. She is a liar, a fake, a fashion rejection.

I hope she fights. Sweeter the put-down.

Old, draggie down, worn out whore.

She stood out alright, but, standing UP was what was needed.

RD:

Is this really your last word, or you 100th “last word”?

Accusing me of mental illness is like patriotism—the last refuge of the indefensible.

It’s also ironic that someone who persists in a pipe-dream of a savior 3rd party, without major donors, without engaging in compromise “The Art of The Possible” would accuse me of mental illness.

Meanwhile an EXTREMELY successful 3rd party has just changed the face of American politics, moving us to the sharp right and closer to fascism.

Somehow, being terrified of the move to fascism and wanting to stop it doesn’t seem like a symptom of mental illness, whereas insisting that there’s no difference between the fascists and those trying to stop them is.

Then you’ll accuse me of PRETENDING to want to stop fascism….thinking you can read minds may also be more of a sign of mental illness than knowing I cannot.

Your irrational rage at me, continued attacks at everything BUT my actual facts and logic that lead to my POV suggests some sort of need to convince someone that something that cannot be real is real.

Another symptom of neurosis is called PROJECTION.  This is when you see your flaws in others while denying them in yourself.

Physician, heal thyself!

Inherit The Wind, November 8 at 4:32 am

My last word to you on this subject, excepting of course to continue to refute your abysmal crap.

Speaking of crap, your contention that you respond with fact to my ( or anyone else’s)
emotional and personal attacks may very well be a symptom of a serious mental illness within you but is absolutely no picture of reality.

From the first I have offered reasons for my disgust with your party and your unreasoning and still unstated loyalty to that sell out party. I have listed them and awaited a considered response to them. What I received, each and every time, and what everyone who responds to you receives, each and every time, is a tale of how evil and awful is the GOP and anyone not voting Democratic is furthering that evil. This is not , as you claim it to be, either a response or even a sign of maturity and breadth of knowledge.

When I arrived here, a bit over a year ago, one of my first efforts was asking you to tone down your rhetoric and give more in detail replies explaining your positions. You have never, ever, done so. That more and more posters take the time to take you to task here seems to miss your attention. But then again I refer to my opinion of your instability.

You are playing the martyr and it ill suits you. No one , other than a few remaining, and equally pathetic Democratic loyalists buys into your childish rants any longer it would seem. That martyr card is all you’ve got as the last two years show plainly what your party is made of, something good to put around the roots of plants perhaps.

Why not ask someone with a real grasp of reality what it is about the democrats that you could cut and paste to make your never revealed points. The bogeyman of the Republican Party just ain’t enough, sorry.

I only continued to respond to your increasingly sad and irrelevant rants because I hoped to provoke an actual grown up reply. No more hope of that. you are just a sad little fellow with delusions.

Go Right Young Man, November 7 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment
“I wholeheartedly agree.  And the only reason I watch Hannity or Olbermann
(bigots each of them) is to get the views of the polar extremes in contemporary
America. I record each of the Sunday morning programs. CNN, NBC, ABC, FOX
and CBS.  I also keep my fast food intake to once a month.  Other than those
programs I normally digest no more garbage. I’m not fan of television news.”

GRYM,
I moved a year ago and never bothered to reconnect the cable TV. I get the majority of my news off the internet. I used to listen to Amy Goodman, but she was dragging her butt in her otherwise legitimate attempt to create honest journalism. As controversial and rant prone as Alex Jones is, the fact is, he’s right out in the front with the stuff that will soon be main stream. He has been on target for a LONG TIME ...... and yes, I hate it when he starts ranting because all any person I try to bring up to speed has to hear is him ranting and it sounds like I should be passing out tin-foil hats. He’d get a lot, I mean A LOT more credibility if he’d leave the rants at home. I know he’s just very passionate about what he does, but so was Cronkite. I, along with with others, I guess, had started complaining about the rants and at least he’s been apologizing. (Rome wasn’t built in a day.)

But yes, occasionally watching the other news sources gives us a sense of the idiocy we have to battle when dealing with other people. I was telling one woman today about the Airport Body Scanners being far more dangerous than is being reported and she just went right into this rote drivel about the “need to be protected from Al Queda” routine. I said to her that we had a lot more to worry about in this country than anyone in a turban and her hackles went up. I then asked her if she knew who Anwar al-Awlaqi was or if she knew he was dining with the Army Chief of Staff several months after 9/11. She had no idea who he was, but it was obvious that she would have voted for Chicken Little in 2008.

RD, you and GRYMey make quite a pair.  Why don’t you do something different and try telling the truth?

I attacked your position because you cannot and have not and will not defend the irrationalities of your position.  You continue to be irrational, hurl insults and I’ll be damned if I’ll sit back and take them, especially when you make false assertions about my positions and POVs.  You have a knack for ignoring my statements or, worse, claiming I’m LYING when I state an opinion. Why would I lie about my opinion?  Even GRYMey doesn’t do that!  It is just another mark of your irrationality.

As for the GRYMey one, he’s STILL changing the definition of “bigot” to suit himself, and making false assertions about my positions as well.

It’s as simple as that. Neither of you are capable of coming up with a rational argument to support your POV, so you get abusive instead.

Hint, GRYMey: It’s not bigotry to reject irrational and illogical points of view that cannot be supported with facts.  That’s what I do and what you and RD HATE with a blinding, rabid passion.

GRYMey, you’d have a much better argument for bigotry if you directed your definition, or, better still, Merriam-Webster’s, at your buddy RD.
(or yourself)

Yes, she did a great job for the rich. She pushed through military budgets higher than Bush ever proposed, and continued funding undeclared wars.

BR549 - “I just don’t remember Huntley and Brinkley or Walter Cronkite ever pouting and spewing like that.”

-

I wholeheartedly agree.  And the only reason I watch Hannity or Olbermann (bigots each of them) is to get the views of the polar extremes in contemporary America.

I record each of the Sunday morning programs. CNN, NBC, ABC, FOX and CBS.  I also keep my fast food intake to once a month.  Other than those programs I normally digest no more garbage. 

I’m not fan of television news.

Virginia777, November 7 at 4:51 pm

Do you honestly believe that your transparent avoidance of the reasons that so many here are critical of ITW and for the same reasons every time in an assault upon my character holds any weight whatsoever?

I do recall, in previous visits to this site, that you yourself engaged in dubious and silly posts sans addressing of the issues at hand. I thought that this was the reason for your extended absence.

Time and again I have posted reasons for my abhorrence of the Democratic Party’s character and actions, or lack thereof. Time and again ITW has responded with personal attack and shallow sophomoric reactions devoid of any mention of those reasons I gave. Nor has he once engaged in a temperate discourse concerning the reasons for his undying and almost pathological loyalty to said party. Further, almost my first efforts here, over a year ago, were directed at his penchant for spiteful and emotional responses to those who dared oppose his positions. Thus this intervention is rather long overdue, and your bull is irrelevant.

Were I the only one questioning his motives and methods there might be room for the distraction you provide. But, as multiple posters have risen to school this child, and perhaps return this forum to a more reasonable and perhaps even useful place, your return is only a useless distraction. Are you his wife? Mother? Alter ego? I certainly take responsibility for those times I have crossed the line, and, acerbic nature notwithstanding, am making an effort to show ITW that I am asking, not for his childishness or temper, but for honest and adult conduct and a debate that actually goes somewhere.

You, well, who cares.

Go Right Young Man, November 7 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

“I do, however, recommend a continuing dialog with ITW.  You’ll learn a great
deal regarding the reams of misinformation, and their origins, in the wild
today.”

Along a similar line, I had turned to Fox News immediately after the 2008n
election to see how the “other side” was handling the situation only to find Brit
Hume in a near unconsolable condition, as if his new puppy had just been run
over, and a sour grapes Karl (Fat Boy) Rove sitting smugly back in his chair
taking cheap shots at the Democrats. Somehow, I just don’t remember Huntley
and Brinkley or Walter Cronkite ever pouting and spewing like that.

Anyway, that’s really the only reason I ever turn to Fox News; to see what others
in the population are viewing as “news”.

ITW,

LOL…you’re like a broken 8-track tape.

Rove is the devil. Kentuckians, fascist-voting imbeciles. The Tea Protesters, racist. Rand Paul, a pervert. Gov. Palin, a bitch. Richard Cheney, a monster. John Boehner, the bogey-man.

Every person who fails to see things your way is some type of criminal or deviate or idiot or well, just plain stupid.  Why is that?

-

Bigot: a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

ITW: I have no problem with fighting back, when attacked, but all too often, attack is a method to sneer at an opponent and to take attention away from the reason of their argument, ardee does this all the time.

Thanks VA777.

Yeah, I prefer not to use invective, but when someone won’t abandon it, they always find me to be a relentless SOB. Since RD can’t seem to post without an attack on me (there may be an exception now and then), it’s just too easy to let the hot air out of his balloon.

Re: Virginia777, November 7 at 4:51 pm.

You state: “Its bad argument to attack your opponent, its what the weak do when they are backed into a corner.”

Response: I couldn’t agree more with this premise based upon the Science of Right Reason!

And, just as a reminder for all those who honorable exchange ideas with in the ‘Truthdig forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities. My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

Inherit The Wind: since this is your judgment, I’d say its faulty. And I see ardee is here with his usual habit of attacking other commentators. Its bad argument to attack your opponent, its what the weak do when they are backed into a corner. Just saying.

Of the last 4 posts before mine, Patrick Henry’s is the only one that has any brains to it (plus it has some humor..well done!  It leads to ALL kinds of speculation as to why GWB is scowling at Spkr Pelosi’s ass, most of which reflect badly on him)

The Constitution doesn’t give the Federal Government the explicit power to force pharmaceutical companies to spend hundreds of millions or even billions on testing a single drug.  But it does it, and I don’t have a problem with that.

The States FORCE you to buy auto insurance from for-profit companies.  I fail to see how that is different than the Federal Govt forcing you to buy some kind of health insurance.  It’s the same damn thing.

Yes, I WOULD prefer a single-payer system, with “Cadillac Care” being something you pay extra for.  Yes, I think the HC bill stinks, and Reid was a spineless asshole to let Baucus and Nelson gut it and virtually destroy it.  Yet I do hope it’s better than what we currently have.

But this idiotic assertion that Obama is merely Bush 44 without recognition of ALL the things that have been done (notice that unemployment has stopped hemorrhaging and is slowly reversing, or that 90% of TARP has been repaid, or that GM and the million jobs it represents has been saved, or that our involvement is Iraq is much lower) is simply a mantra spewed out by the Left’s disorganized version of the Teaparty—angry irrational people using words that mean NOTHING and cannot fix the real problems.

Barbie,
You are a LIBERAL, you could have fooled me.

Saying I don’t understand the Constitution doesn’t make it so, though you keep repeating it.

It’s all well and good to argue in the ivory tower way that the Constitution is limitation on power. Great in theory, moronic in practice. 

The imbecile is you.  99% of the Executive Branch of the Federal Government is NOT specified in the Constitution. In fact, the various executive departments are not specified.  Yet to challenge that the Department of State is “Unconstitutional” because it’s not a power specified would be moronic and laughable—worthy of a Christine O’Donnell in ignorance. 

In fact, the Supreme Court’s power to decide constitutionality is NOT specified in the Constitution—every school kid learns it was “Marbury vs Madison” that established that power.

Please tell me how one government institution (ther Federal) forcing you to buy insurance being compared to another government institution(the states) forcing you to buy insurance is “imbecilic”.

BTW, your latest “Amen Chorus” of RD, the Nader-natterer, and GRYMey, the tool of the Fox agit-prop talking points, is amusing, since there’s no way RD and GRYMey could find any other common ground than that they hate me, as much as they pretend they don’t.

You are as irrational in your arguments and as name-calling as they are.  I’m sure you’ll burn out before they do…

BarbieQue,

You are another of many who have called out ITW for his pernicious use of assumptions and suppositions in support of his conclusions.  It seems to matter none how many verifiable facts are presented to this individual.  He’ll remain steadfast to his view of politics and the globe as a whole.

I do, however, recommend a continuing dialog with ITW.  You’ll learn a great deal regarding the reams of misinformation, and their origins, in the wild today.

You’ll also learn through this individual a good deal about myopic bigotry and hate in America.

Good luck!

Barbieque,

You have just barbecued ITW rather professionally. But to what avail? He and I have carried on such a flame filled debate on several occasions and I have learned several things in the process;

Facts never get in the way of his opinions, nor are they offered or even addressed

He is certainly a right wing democrat whose loyalty to that mess of a political party borders on the obsessive.

One is far better off using ones time to better purpose I think. His posts are paeans to unbelievable positions and, as such, attract no following. They are no more, and certainly no less than a speed bump around important discussions. Sad really.

But I do admire how effectively you use that needle.

TO: Inherit The Wind, November 5 at 1:41 pm:

ITW:>>”...The Commerce Clause has been an excuse for the Government to do ANYTHING it wants for something like the last 80 years…”<<

As someone below said, the “ANYTHING” has never included forcing citizens to purchase a product or service from a for profit company. If you think the Constitution is an opportunity for the Government to do “ANYTHING” it wants, you don’t understand it.

ITW:>>”...But like a good right-winger, you are only NOW discovering it, as if it was Speaker Pelosi’s invention…”<<

Here, you have made an ass of you and me. You, in your infinite wisdom, have ASSUMED something not in evidence.  As a site search would prove, nothing I have ever written here could be construed as being “right wing” in the least. In fact, I am obviously more liberal than you in just this one case regarding “Health Insurance Reform” (sic). And I’d be willing to bet that I’m more of an actual liberal than you will ever be in your dreams.

If a Republican administration had passed a law (against the will of the majority I might add-see: Polls) that required you to fork over 3 or 4 hundred dollars a month to a health insurance company (not the government through taxes, mind you) or face fines and penalties from the IRS you, if you were a “true liberal” would have called for marches and demonstrations. You would have raised bloody hell. If you really were a “liberal”.

But, since a liar with a (D) behind his name rammed this monstrosity through congress, somehow, you favor it. And I’d like to remind you that O’Change’O campaigned AGAINST A MANDATE. He ran TV ads that criticized Hillarys call for a mandate again and again. But you’re willing to forget that little detail, or even worse, forgive it maybe because he had to do whatever he did (lie) to get little easily mislead people such as yourself to go and vote for his lying self.

It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

ITW:”... just because they aren’t mentioned in the Constitution doesn’t mean they can’t do it…”<<

You don’t know the first thing about the Constitution. It’s a limiting document. Not an empowering document. But that’s obviously way way over your little indoctrinated head.

And by the way, only an imbecile could equate the forced purchase of insurance from a for profit company with the regulation of medicines and food safety.

You’re not a “liberal”. You’re a sycophant.

A story about a less than thrilled W staring at Nancy Pelosi’s ass.

****************

What gets me, other than ‘impeachment off the
table’, is her killing the $700,000,000,000.00
bailout bill, where I believe she voted for it, then
a month or so was able, after some pertinent
changes, able to get it passed.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/29/nancy-
pelosis-bailout-attack-speech-on-the-house-
floor/

Those changes were supposed to be ‘tighter
rules’ but the fact the bill was passed and signed
into law is clear indication that this bit of
corporate welfare was just some way making the
tax payer pay for the ineptness and criminality of
those responsible for this particular ‘bubble
disaster’ which should have made those ‘too big
to fail’ money laundrying centers fail as they
should.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/business/e
conomy/04bailout.html

Must have been the increased lobbying bribe
dollars going to those who benefited for voting
for that piece of clap trap legislation which not
one of the members of congress had to read, not
that that would have made a difference.

Going to be interesting to see how these newly
elected people who will ‘change’ the government
will react when those lobbying bribe dollars start
coming in.

Hammond Eggs, November 6 at 2:38 am Link to this comment

Keep on talking.  Obama and the Democrats will now move farther to the right.  The Democrats, like the Republicans, are only experienced at maneuvering within a totally and hopelessly corrupt political system.  It is that corruption which insures that Obama will continue to cut his own throat and call it cosmetic surgery.
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Huh?  Something like 50 or 60 seats were lost, mostly BDDs.  The moderate-to-Blue Dogs are in districts where more left-wing Dems cannot win…the GOPers will if you run against them.  But the more left-wing Dems are generally far safer.  The Democratic caucus in the House has moved FAR Left from where it was. Only a few strong left voices were lost in the House, like Alan Grayson.

It’s a funny thing about American politics.  A Michelle Bachmann, who’s so crazy she makes Attila the Hun look like a Liberal, is virtually invulnerable.  Dennis “The Menace” Kucinich is virtually invulnerable (Only as an example of extreme left—he’s far, FAR saner than Bachmann).

But the people in the middle, the moderates, get washed out either from the right or from the left.  So the committee chairs are held by the safe loonies and the Congress gets more and more partisan and there’s less room for discussion. “Our team: YAY! Your team: BOO!” and it’s as mindlessly simple as that.

HAMMOND EGGS
Why did we put these people in office?Pelosi lost, for the same reason that Obama would have lost if his tenure had been on the line, because she stood by him, so firmly.  I’m a left-wing democrat.  Pelosi believed in Obama, and still pretends to; what choice does she have.  It wasn’t democrats that lost the election, it was blue-dog “democrats” that were the biggest losers.  I currently only vote in local elections, and will not vote for the national so-called dem presidents, one more time, until they’re replaced by left-wingers.  I think we need 3 parties, not an “alternative” party.  A Left party, a Right party, and the Moderates (the so-called Independents, the Undecideds, the In Betweens, etc.), need a party of their own.  I’m confident that Obama came into office fully prepared, if not anxious, to please the republicans.  They call this “compromise,” which is an excuse to give ground to dictators, by a different name.  You cannot compromise with democratic principles.  This is an infinitely debatable subject for some, but not for me, thank you.  In the past election, I beleive Obama won with the indispensible help of the enemies of democracy, Corporate America, Wall St.  Hillary could have easily won if Big Money had stayed out of the race.  I would have voted for her, not because she was free of Big Money influence, there’s no such thing in contemporary American politics involving high government officials, but because she was clearly superior in every way to the grossly, the embarrassingly, inexperienced Obama, who received vastly more money from big oil, and the corporatocracy, than Hillary.  He wasn’t simply offered the money, he accepted it hungrily, because he couldn’t win without it.  As it is, though some continue to argue the point, Hillary almost certainly won the “popular” nomination vote against Obama. But Hillary, Obama, and the rest of the dem nomination line-up, excluding a few, that had absolutely no chance of winning, were what I would describe as Moderates (at best), if there had been a legitimate third party.  We have no left-wing among the presidential nominees, we have Moderates (increasingly portraying themselves as democrats) and right-wingers.  There’s a Left in this country, it’s just that they have absolutely no political representation.

“President Obama still has the ability to set the nation’s agenda”

Keep on talking.  Obama and the Democrats will now move farther to the right.  The Democrats, like the Republicans, are only experienced at maneuvering within a totally and hopelessly corrupt political system.  It is that corruption which insures that Obama will continue to cut his own throat and call it cosmetic surgery.

I agree with Double Standards - she should have impeached Bush/Cheney her
very first day.  I also agree that Truth Dig & Eugine Robinson would be better off
writing articles about real progressives who lost in the elections like Cindy
Sheehan, or even Russ Feigngold.  Come on man.  Think outside the box.

If one [un]wittingly let’s scribes entertain one from minding their own business,
then scribes get promoted and rewarded with dental-,health-, and pension-care.
Do i read all of what such deceivers write? Or just the heading?
If i wld, i’d have earned the punishment these people mete out to people who not
the abcd of it all.

Btw, there is elkayda, al-qaeda, al qaida and another thousand such orgs; with
office in many caves and mines, but no US to strike—it being a region of 1k
ethnicities and 100 deadly cults—which is ruled by many uncles.

These ethnicties appear so divided and armed with much false knowledge 12
caponis cld easily command them; obtain meat for wars or use them for
dangerous labors; while the DEAR UNCLES: sam and joshua mostly, but also
pedro, pierre, pyotr, giovanni send their kids to colleges or parties. tnx for ur Left
Ear!

Robinson makes the case that Pelosi won big (and made the history textbooks) simply by being the first non-male House Speaker..

In that case why should our President Obama worry about accomplishing anything? .. he’s the Power Ball lottery winner just by virtue of him being the first non-white President!

Sorry Gene, it’s what you do, not what (or who you are) that matters.

Increasingly, Robinson (or just his thoughts in print) matters little.

Adios!

The name of the game for Pelosi and most of the other Dems was simple: self-preservation. The equation for self-preservation is simple: know which side of the bread the butter’s on (the banks, big pharma, the defense establishment, the oil industry, etc), respect the senior vote and lean as much to the center as possible. No wonder as many people on the left can’t stand her as on the right.

Gene, baby,

“But amid the wreckage of Tuesday’s GOP .... “
Do you mean that event on Nov 2nd where the American populace had realized that they’d gotten sold ANOTHER bill of goods from the OTHER major party, and were making a statement in throwing the bums out ...... Is that the one you mean? Dude, you need to clean those glasses of yours once in a while.

“Somehow, she managed to deliver ......” Pelosi? Deliver what, that excuse for a Health Care bill that is so loaded with pork and that our great-grandchildren will be still be paying for it if the two major parties haven’t bankrupted us first?

No Gene, It wasn’t just the Republican Party that sold this country out through the adoption of NAFTA and the offshoring of our corporations; the Democrats were just as guilty. Why is it that a guy supposedly with an intellect such as yours can’t seem to tie his own shoes?

3rd Input:

It’s amazing how you can be so snide and know so little.  The government in almost every state can and does force you to buy insurance—auto insurance.  You don’t HAVE to own a car, but unless you live in a city like New York or Chicago with EXCELLENT subway service, it’s a hardship to not have a car.

Your knowledge of the Commerce clause is far more limited than even my meager knowledge of it.  Spouting Rush Limbaugh talking points doesn’t constitute legal precedent.

Yes, I have heard of thalidomide. It was a FAILURE of the FDA system, not a argument for abandoning it. And that failure occurred almost 50 years ago.  In fact, thalidomide is currently approved for the treatments of both leprosy and multiple myeloma (a vicious and painful bone cancer.) The so-called “fast-track” for drug approval push by your GOP pals resulted in drugs being withdrawn for killing people. Have YOU heard of Rezulin and Vioxx? How about Avandia?

I think it’s clear I’ve probably read BOTH the Constitution AND Atlas Shrugged far more times than you.  Because it’s clear you don’t understand either.

But it’s fun to throw darts at Democrats and “Lib’ral” and sit back smugly and bask in how clever you are.

Unfortunately, all the premises you base this on are nothing but bullshit.

Rand wrote:

Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.

Your position is filled with contradictions.

It says a lot about TruthDig that they could dig this hagiography for one of the worst corporate operatives in the US Congress.  Why not interview Cindy Sheehan instead, who ran against Pelosi in an effort to give the House one more antiwar voice—instead of Pelosi’s killing-is-business-as-usual services?

Eugene Robinson, yet another Liberal Intellectual giving cover to a DNC Corporate
whore who backed War criminals (Condi Rice for example) , back the illegal war,
backed torture, stopped any impeachment hearings or investigation of Bush
Administration the list could go on and on and on…

Yeah, she is a keeper…

Eugene go soak your head, or better yet read you follow columnists book
“The Death of the Liberal Class” and then take a long look in the mirror.

Eugene,

You and Pelosi—with her botox face—are all that is emblematic of the Dem’s emotional disconnect not just from your constituents but from reality itself.

And was there ever a war bill by Bush that Pelosi didn’t vote for? You are equally representative of all that is despicable in liberals.

The good news is that she may be coming back, which will confirm the Dem’s death wish for 2012.

It will mean that we progressives have develop a third party (walk our talk).

What a novel concept.

The Senate was the chosen venue for blocking anything good from happening over the last four years so Pelosi can look half-way decent.  They got a lot of stuff passed which then went nowhere in the Senate.

I assume it will no longer happen that way because now the House is going to be where it’s all happening to allow more Republican legislation through.

Getting personal [but never close enough] appears an ancient ruse: praise the
king when figs grow or kill the king when figs don’t grow.
And once u kill or praise the king or pelosi, BO, bush, a soldier, me, the whole
heaven breaks loose upon us.

Hey, kids, such personality obtaining honesty, knowledge, caring, etc., the
moment they left diapers. tnx

Pelosi caved on day two. It’s been downhill ever since.

Spineless, like a deer caught in the headlights.

I loved it the day she became Speaker, but she squandered her power by taking
indictment of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice “off the table.”  In the end, she lost
anyway.  As did my so called Dem congress who voted against the healthcare bill
and says the “mosque,” which it isn’t, should not be built on Ground Zero, which it
won’t be… Just because they have many loud ignoramuses for constituents, does
this mean they must act stupid?  The healthcare bill is mush.  The war continues.
Where is the leadership?

-“The Commerce Clause has been an excuse for the Government to do ANYTHING it wants for something like the last 80 years”

The government has not mandated the purchase of any good or service in the 234 years of its entire existence. So, maybe ask your brother about a thing called “Precedent”.  Mmmmkay?

—“There’s lots of things I hate that the Government does, but just because they aren’t mentioned in the Constitution doesn’t mean they can’t do it”

You are charged with a basic failure to understand the founding documents and/or the founders intent as partially described in the Federalist Papers.

How do you plead, chumpy?

-“Oops…3,000 kids died from our drug”

You talkin bout Thalidomide?

The posts on here make his point. You’ve all been
brainwashed by the Republican’t propaganda machine. I
heard a flight attendant, who was in China the day
before the election, say that the big item on the news
in China was they were really hoping the Republicans
could sweep back into power so the level of American
jobs outsourced to them would pick back up. Way to go,
idiots.

Forcing, or Ordering, or Making Mandatory the purchase of insurance from a for profit company (not medicaid or any part of the US Government) is now defended under the Commerce clause of the US Constitution.

If this is upheld, there is simply no limit to what the US Government will be allowed to do.
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This is NEWS to you?????????????????

The Commerce Clause has been an excuse for the Government to do ANYTHING it wants for something like the last 80 years.  20 years ago, when he was in law school, my brother brought the issue of the Commerce Clause and its unlimited power home.  Long before Obama was a US Senator, the Supreme Court had FINALLY put SOME limits on the Commerce Clause. Before then there was NO endeavor of human activity, including a husband and wife having sex in their own bed, that could not be construed to be exempt.

But like a good right-winger, you are only NOW discovering it, as if it was Speaker Pelosi’s invention, when you see a health care system that forces you to pay for it.  When Pelosi said “Are you serious?” it was clear she expected reporters to understand that it was obvious that a) The Commerce Clause allows it, and b) there’s NOTHING in the Constitution that prevents it.

There’s lots of things I hate that the Government does, but just because they aren’t mentioned in the Constitution doesn’t mean they can’t do it.  Your argument could easily be construed to mean that because the Constitution doesn’t specifically allot to the Federal Government the power to regulate medicines and food cleanliness, the entire FDA is not allowed under the Constitution.  Which is, of course, an inane and dangerous idea. 

Maybe YOU are willing to risk your child’s health and life for drug development based totally on the free market, but I’m not.

How would that work? “Oops…3,000 kids died from our drug. Now, despite our advertising, no one will buy it. Guess we stop making it because it’s not profitable anymore.”

“A Speaker who stood out” - you bet she did, she will
be most remembered for saying “you have to vote for it
to know whats in it” (obamacare) and couldn’t keep a
straight face saying it!

Eugene, I’ve got a hunch Mr. Scheer will be seriously
considering your abilities after this one, but don’t
fret - I’m sure this piece of boot licking could get
you 1st rank champaign server on her servants roster.

I’m terribly sorry, Mr. Robinson, but I’ll be unable to show Ms. Pelosi even a single tiny shred of respect whatsoever.

Surely you’ll understand why. Or at least you’ll try, right? Surely.

She has shown contempt and disrespect for my Constitution, the Law of the Land, and one of the Great things that makes (made) US Different from almost every other country on the planet.

Being Speaker of the House and Dissing the Constitution could only be defended in LooneyLand.

“When CNSNews.com asked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday where the Constitution authorized Congress to order Americans to buy health insurance—a mandate included in both the House and Senate versions of the health care bill—Pelosi dismissed the question by saying: “Are you serious? Are you serious?”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55971
(audio clip available at link)

Pelosi then shook her head before taking a question from another reporter. Her press spokesman, Nadeam Elshami, then told CNSNews.com that asking the speaker of the House where the Constitution authorized Congress to mandate that individual Americans buy health insurance as not a “serious question.”

“You can put this on the record,” said Elshami. “That is not a serious question. That is not a serious question.”

****later, after regaining just a hint of composure***

“If it is the Speaker’s belief that there is a provision in the Constitution that does give Congress this power, does she believe the Constitution in any way limits the goods and services Congress can force an individual to purchase?” CNSNews.com asked. “If so, what is that limit?”

Elshami responded by sending CNSNews.com a Sept. 16 press release from the Speaker’s office entitled, “Health Insurance Reform, Daily Mythbuster: ‘Constitutionality of Health Insurance Reform.’”

  The press release states that Congress has “broad power to regulate activities that have an effect on interstate commerce. Congress has used this authority to regulate many aspects of American life, from labor relations to education to health care to agricultural production.”
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It’s important that the reader understand exactly what the Speaker is saying here.

Forcing, or Ordering, or Making Mandatory the purchase of insurance from a for profit company (not medicaid or any part of the US Government) is now defended under the Commerce clause of the US Constitution.

If this is upheld, there is simply no limit to what the US Government will be allowed to do.

And don’t forget the medical records thing.

I’m not sure who ER is talking about. For the first 2 years of her tenure, Mrs. Pelosi seemed totally unable to rein in the Blue Dogs, and for the last 2 years, while her control was better, it was still like herding cats.  And, she may be one of the worst public speakers to ever hold the chair.

Consider her counterpart, Mr. Boehner and his downright brutal whipping into line of Barton for his apology to BP—publicly threatening to strip him of his committee seats. I expect as Speaker he will continue to be as ruthless to keep party discipline.  True, he has to learn another word than “No”, but Obama should have told him: Now it’s up to YOU to propose stuff WE can accept.  We are now the Party of No and YOU have to work with US.  That’s what Clinton did and was very effective.

Still, Speaker Pelosi DOES look good and effective when compared to her Senate counterpart, Harry Reid.

“Harry Reid is still Senate majority leader—and after the way he punched and scrapped his way to victory, who wants to mess with him? “

That may be the single worst assessment I’ve ever seen out of Eugene Robinson.  Is he f***in’ kidding??? Reid is STILL a vulnerable Democrat elected from a Republican state.  In New York, facing a similar irrational nut, Andrew Cuomo, flattened Carl Palladino by nearly 2 to 1, but in Nevada, Reid barely squeaked by.  Had the GOP put up someone slightly more sane (Roy Blunt in Missouri comes to mind) Reid would be gone in a blow-out.

And, as Majority Leader Reid has been one of the worst I ever remember.  Worse than Daschle, worse than Trent Lott, FAR worse than Bob Dole.  Reid has not only been unable to enforce party discipline, he hasn’t even appeared to TRY!  The Health Care bill was totally de-railed by Max Baucus and Ben Nelson and Reid did NOTHING to rein them in.  I sincerely hope (but doubt) the Dems will replace him with someone more able to keep people in line AND not vulnerable to defeat.  Chuck Schumer comes to mind.

GRYM is so caught up in his irrational hatred of Eugene Robinson that, without ONE PHRASE in the article that can be construed as racist or bigoted, he calls ER a bigot. That’s because GRYM ALWAYS calls ER a “bigot” with or without any support for it, as if repeating that phrase a 1000 times will make it so….Gotta admire his persistence and dedication.

(D) corporate manufactured intentionally limp “left’s” Journalist, David Sirota, has 3 appropriately firm words the house negro Robinson should hear… loud and clear:

DAVID SIROTA TELLS CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS TO GO FUCK THEMSELVES

Remember that scene in “Return of the Jedi” when the Emporor told Luke “Now you will pay for your lack of vision”?

unfortunately, Nancy doen’t have to pay for her lack of vision, we do.

This Post can not be for real.  This is why we are in the mess we are in and will never ever get out of it. To many people.  Everyone is an expert and everyone knows the true even if its not. My the name I don’t know if Eugene Robinson is a lady or a gentlemen. If she is a lady then I can understand.  For a Jewish person another Jew is never wrong.  A Gay is never wrong to another Gay, to a Black another Black is never guilt like OJ.  And a woman does the same thing when it comes to another woman. Bottom line is people will always protect their own kind, especially if they are insecure. If Eugene Robinson would have done all her/him research and had read much more she would have found out very easy that Nancy Pelosi will go down in history as one of the worse House Speakers this country has ever had since day one. And no, I am not a Republican or conservative. And allow me to share this with you.  Regardless what I or anyone say about Pelosi you will not change Eugene Robinson mind one iota. And if Eugene Robinson was in the business of writing history books future generations will believe what she/he said about Pelosi. 
P.S. Do you folks realize that at least 80% of history books all over the world are wrong.  The winner always write the books.  Thanks for letting me vent.  May ‘Grandfather’ bless you guys.  And for the Artiest Good Hunting.

Further proof that “progressives” have no concept of progressivism, the other being that they elected Bush and now Tea Partiers.

On healthcare, what do you mean “pull the whole thing off?” Are you serious? Do you remember Pelosi saying one thing was for sure - the public option? Remember that? They pulled it off, alright - as long as you’re in the insurance industry.

The biggest problem with health anti-care was and is cost. The bill doesn’t do anything about that. The bill is a political failure and worse, it fails to provide affordable healthcare to people who need it.

Dream on.

Eugene Robinson was either drunk when he wrote this or was consciously being a boot licker.

Sometimes I read an article like this and wonder how it ever got posted
considering the awards Truthdig has rightfully received and considering the Editor
in Chief is Robert Scheer, one of my favorite writers and speakers. I am assuming
that Chris Hedges, another great writer and speaker, if he reads this dribble, will
be laughing or at least shaking his head, maybe both. But who am I to question
free speech or judge journalistic excellence.