Reed the older historys, where it started all, the Aryans, who where standing by the cradle of human enlighting and beginnig of thinking.

Its also very curious that the whole thinking world, is or want to forget, the migty and enormes learned Byzantium, with Constantinopel as its axis of knowledge and spiritual vulcano.

Our future is to be found in our history, all history.

What, what?  US presidents displaying religious dishonesty?  Who expects otherwise?  Meanwhile, the “Nobel Committee” distorts its value system, awards Nobel Prizes to two political vultures, both of whom deserve jail terms for their fraud.  Has it become necessary for the Nobel Committee to chalk up political points with US politicians for itself, or for its homeland, or for both?  Sad, sad.

This committee would do itself and the world a vast honor by withdrawing the prize from comrades Al Gore and Hussein Obama.  Such an honest precedent would greatly benefit the western world, perhaps even “religiosity” in the western world.

The Depression not withstanding, I still hear about the “war” on Xmas, on the radio and TV.  The right-wing commentators are outrageous as usual.  And callers in my area complain about the Channukah menorah being too close to the manger scene.  Radio listeners, in particular, just parrot right-wing talking points without any comprehension of historical or constitutional facts.

Greek mythology vs. US democracy mythology? The US with its fourth “president” installed via elements of illegality - ?

Greek leadership has declared bankruptcy.  USA “leadership” has added a few more trillion dollars to its “national debt.”

Compared to the leadership” of the USA, the leadership of Greece is remarkably honest.  Or, are they preparing the world for a “bailout” request, from CIA black-monies?  We will know by March 2010.

Thank you Inherit. 

Yeah, I don’t know crap about Greek mythology. I was just glancing at this Web page: 

http://www.theoi.com/greek-mythology/olympian-gods.html

But, yeah, thanks. It is strange being a part of this society, so advanced technologically and scientifically and yet still incredibly superstitious—cavemen with nuclear warheads in tow.

D.R. Zing:
Thanks for the laugh—I really enjoyed it, even with the mistakes…(like Zeus loved a young male so much he put him in the stars for eternity—Ganymede. And Hera was tne goddess of childbirth, not the virgin Artemis).

Still, I feel as you do, like when I hear some dogmatic say “God is under attack. We have to defend God!”  Hello? Is this the same God who is “Master of the Universe”?  The all-powerful and all-knowing?  What can such a being POSSIBLY need from us??????

I believe in Zeus. Anyone who does not believe in Zeus will have to answer to the mighty war cry of Ares as he descends from Mt. Olympus to vanquish all you apostates and blasphemers. 

The reason we have problems with abortion is you miserable dogs have lost your faith in Artemis, the hunting goddess who also protects children.  Go build an altar now and pray to her. Abortions will end immediately. 

Gay marriage would not be an issue if we continued to worship Dionsysus.  Gays don’t need marriage. They just need an occasional drunken orgy where no petty distinctions are made about glands that protrude and glands that are cleft. 

Even this global climate change thing could be resolved by the great god Poseidon, god of the sea, rivers, flood and drought.  Visit the ocean soon. Pray to Poseidon. The climate will change for the good.

Sound like bullshit? 

Now you know how I feel when I flip through religious channels on television. 

It’s not that I’m against theism, believing in comprehensive forces governing the universe and therefore us.

I’m all for it. 

I’m for moving forward, realizing the limitations of past creation myths, past religious laws, past religious history, past personified deities, and taking our theistic concepts to the next level, which will mean taking all the knowledge we have, particularly scientific knowledge, and basing our theistic concepts on that knowledge—which is exactly our what ancestors did when they wrote the old and new testaments. They weren’t idiots. They were the brightest of the bright and they compiled all the knowledge they had to form their theistic concepts and supporting laws. 

We should do the same. We don’t need a culture war to do it. Just a little common sense.   

With that, I can happily say:  Merry Christmas to all!

A tempest in a Tea-Pot.

How about this, Gerard:

‘One’s religion is a personal choice. Keep it personal.’

I don’t know about others, but what disturbs me is the crowing.  I don’t understand why it is anyone else’s business, a subject up for discussion. 

We could read about the corporate control of the State and the Press, but that (among others) is a subject understandably avoided in the speaches of officials of the State, or recorded in the corporate journals. It’s better to write about nothing at all.

“Political discussion in the United States is usually restricted to the moderate to conservative range that precludes discussion of class conflict. If “class warfare” is mentioned, it is because a conservative wants to suggest that certain matters should be kept off-limits in American political discussion”
(Steve Brouwer)

“[The meaning of “being informed” has been altered] by creating a species of information that might properly be called disinformation… Disinformation does not mean false information. It means misleading information - misplaced, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information - information that creates the illusion of knowing something, but which in fact leads one away from knowing.”
(Neil Postman)

“You don’t need a totalitarian dictatorship like Hitler’s to get by with murder ... you can do it in a democracy as long as the Congress and the people Congress is supposed to represent don’t give a damn.”
(William Shirer)

“The greatest threats to U.S. society are not coming from “terrorists” or “rogue nations” abroad. They are coming from the words and actions of elected officials here at home. Actions of the Department of Justice - emboldened by the USA-Patriot Act passed by Congress - threaten to turn the U.S. into a permanent security state.
Likewise, the greatest threats to global peace - and to human development and security worldwide - are coming from U.S. policymakers carrying out their lawful duties.”
(Friends Committee on National Legislation)

“We now live in a state of permanent war - a global arms industry, apparently the largest single international business, must have its products used up so more can be sold. There must be profits for the capitalists and jobs for the proles… Are we not still in Caligula’s Rome?
(New Internationalist magazine)

Just food for thought.

Happy Holidays, none the less.

I’m looking for a way to reduce the religious argumentation to the “you like tomahhhtos” level where it belongs. 

It’s the urge to convert that wipes out the urge to converge. Why not let everybody be what they freely choose to be, without pressure, briberty and threat?  Why not agree to disagree, since none of us can prove that any of it either has validity or is nonsense.

And one more thing:  Let’s get it out of politics and keep it out.  The combination is always dynamite.

I guess EJ hasn’t been reading TD where the anti-semites have been out in FULL FORCE all year.