Another thing occurred to me just now.

Isn’t it fortuitous how this thing blew up at exactly
the same time that even the mainstream media is
beginning to seriously discuss slashing the defense
budget. Naw, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

Osama bin Laden died in late 2001 or early 2002 and
that is far more certain than the silly Jessica
Lynch/Pat Tillman-like story being spun by the White
House. According to first-person accounts, ObL was in
the late stages of kidney failure and required
frequent dialysis. Where do you suppose he plugged in
his dialysis unit in the mountains of Afghanistan?
That’s right - he couldn’t and that’s where he died.
Death notices were even published in some Middle
Eastern newspapers and there are also first-person
accounts of his funeral & burial. That’s why you see
such a disconnect between the reaction to his “death”
in the Middle East compared to the knuckle-dragging,
jingoistic dunces in the US.

Even if you do buy the ridiculous “Seal Team 6”
assassination, it matters little since ObL had
nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11 & stated as much
himself. Wonder who the trigger-happy, psychopathic-
murders-in-uniform shot? We’ll never know that
because those jarheads are no doubt too stupid to
speak.

It is not a matter of ‘us or them’ here and neither may we say that probably US or Pak authorities were not in knowledge of Osama presence in Pakistan. As allies both are boarding the same boat and know each other well. Only we may say that in wake of prevalent distrust between them they only were keeping their cards closer to themselves.

US was seeing no victory in her declared war against terrorism and was all set to pelt all sort of blames on Pakistan and get out. Whereas Pakistan to avert this all; although adopted a sheepish method but threw a bate for US—- of killing Bin laden to avail the opportunity which US took it.

It has saved both the allies; there is reason to celebrate victory by US by capturing and killing Bin laden and for Pakistan minting billions in return and also averting the war as well as the blame.

After spending a long time pursuing terror and incurring trillions of dollars as a loss to US and thousands of Muslims and others who perished in the way of tracking him; finally he was found in an hide out as a frail ailing Bin laden who was probably spending his rest of the days of life in a health condition soon to be on ventilator. Sadly a frailman was killed cold blooded by US navy seals in his compound—- simply to bring home a Victory for US.

Other than his wives, a housemaid and one or two servants; navy seal could not find anything worthwhile except some 13 medicine Bottles lined up at his side table for the old man

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES

MA: And every leader after Caesar was killed was all called Caesar, so in like manner Osama bin Laden is dead, long live Osama bin Laden will probably be what happens.

The half-AfterLife of a terrorist leader is very, very short.

This guy will go down in history not as a Che Guevara but as a Carlos. And who remembers Carlos?

Unless we are into glamourizing historical terrorist personalities by making them martyrs. Is that what we want?

Al Zaweri (his second in command) is tougher and brainier that bin Laden. Killing the latter will do nothing to change al Qaeda - bin Laden was in retirement, just like Carlos, when they got him.

Al Qaeda have lost their branding, that’s all, and will try to recuperate with some grand media-moving attack somewhere/anywhere.

CAMPAIGN BOOST

It could be that taking bin Laden out is just what the PotUS needed in terms of an electoral campaign boost. If that’s the case, who the hell cares if the CIA knew or did not know where he was?

So, consider this: If the CIA knew all along where he was, why not take him out earlier? Why allow him to send all those tapes to Al Jazeera TV promoting himself and his group - and thus gaining the dumb recruits he needs for kamikazes.

What was the reason to allow him to live, if bin Laden could not lead the CIA to the mastermind Al Zawari; whom they surely would have assassinated if they could have done so? That move would have surely crippled al Qaeda.

So, of course bin Laden is not dead. He is more precious to Al Qaeda alive than dead and so most certainly there will be the silly nonsense about him being alive played out.

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES

Besides, BO was dumb enough to make a prime-time media-shaking announcement of bin Laden’s death at the debut of an electoral campaign - only to have bin Laden show up on Al Jazeera two months later giving BO the finger on international satellite TV?

Nah, that just doesn’t hold water. BO aint that stoopid.

By MarthaA, May 4 at 8:23 pm
THX 1133, May 4 at 8:10 pm,
===========================
Yup. Things change; the only constant in the universe.

-you know? they killed bin laden.
-what??? again???
-shshsh… there he is coming.

THX 1133, May 4 at 8:10 pm,

I remember when Bush wasn’t even concerned about Osama bin
Laden, but now he has become important enough to apparently kill
him, when the CIA knew where he was ever since 2005:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28030.htm

THX 1133, May 4 at 8:10 pm,

I remember when Bush wasn’t even concerned about Osama bin
Laden, but now he has become important enough to apparently kill
when the CIA knew where he was ever since 2005:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28030.htm

Well, so much for Bin Laden being dead long ago. One
less tin hat, no?

samosamo, May 4 at 7:25 pm,

And, of course you know that you are not the only one that didn’t
buy the official story, there are thousands of us, as it would have
been impossible for such an attack to have happened without help
from the inside upper echelon.  Osama bin Laden gets to be the
scape goat and apparently people feel better knowing he is dead,
but is he?  Will it end up like Caesar or the king.

As soon as the king dies, it is said, “The king is dead, long live the
king.”  And every leader after Caesar was killed was all called
Caesar, so in like manner Osama bin Laden is dead, long live
Osama bin Laden will probably be what happens.

Actually we might have done him a favor since he could hardly wait to get to those virgins in Paradise, and suicide is a great sin in Abrahamic systems. We sent him to Paradise, but not his wife, so he is there alone with gazillions of virgins. RIP & RIFF.

****************

I still wonder at bin laden and his crew getting into both wtc
towers and rigging them for EXPLOSIVE demolition and the wtc7
building rigged for IMPLOSIVE demolition. Must have been
exceptional plastic surgery jobs. They must have also made
copies of the keys to get in and do the job. And I guess from the
american support of bin laden in the soviet/afghan campaign
that our military gave bin laden’s crew all that termite and
thermate that pulverized both towers into dust.

And of course the fbi would protect bin laden by protecting the
‘official story’ by confiscating all the videos of whatever in the
hell hit the pentagon which damn sure was NO commercial jet
airliner. Damn the damage of not thoroughly investigating the
‘attacks’ of 9/11/01, opens up all kind of vistas of what
happened, all but the truth.

The US has entertained a long line of despotic whores in its illustrious imperialist history. Same old Same old.

@ Lew Ciefer, May 4 at 5:19 pm
You said - “It’s obvious he was so delusional that he thought he could win a gun fight against an empire while armed with only a knife.”

I suspect that he (bin Ladan) accurately described his motives against the United States when he spoke at length about causing US to spend ourselves into oblivion, somewhat like the old, ex, former, defunct, bankrupt Union of Soviet Socialist Republics did when it faced ten years of Taliban in Afghanistan.  As a matter of fact, he was an ally of US when that happened. Maybe that’s where he got the idea.
So far, it is working. Isn’t it? That’s not delusional – consider it deeply next time you remove your shoes and permit your junk to be grabbed in order to fly a plane, or the next time your granny goes through the porno scanner at the local airport to visit you.

Hey Lew
You have Robert Sheer all wrong.
He is a true American hero.
His facts are correct.
Yours (on the other hand) just confuse me.
First I never thought our mercenary’s in Afghanistan fought with scimitars, It looked like they shot down Russian helicopters with our surface to air missiles.
Second there is no opec gas shortage. The high oil prices are from the wall street speculators we bailed out with our social security, medicare and infrastructure funds.
Yes, the media and politicians are all “sold out crooks” but don’t try to blame Sheer. He brings us truth.
Thank You Mr. Sheer

By tropicgirl, May 4 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

“Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions, (including Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, under three different Presidents, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT), shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.”

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HELP!!!!!!!!!!! Am I losing my mind?! Steve R. Pieczenik appears to be legitimate with legitimate credentials.

Steve R. Pieczenik

“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college”

The national war college is legitimate; attended by such notables as Colin Powell.

Could it be that Steve R. Pieczenik, being an expert on False Flagg operations, is doing a little false flagging? This is troublesome.

Alex Jones is a Community College drop out and a conspiracy theorist talk show host, but even so…?

Steve R. Pieczenik sates in the Jones interview that he was told by a mystery general that Osama bin Laden was dead before the invasion of Afghanistan. Osama’s ghost released video recordings to Al-Jazeera on Oct. 7, 2001, Nov. 3, 2001, Dec. 13, 2001, etc.

Following are highlights from some of the several dozen statements released by the al Qaeda leader.

Oct. 7, 2001 - Bin Laden taunts “infidel” U.S. President George W. Bush over Sept. 11 attacks; says in a videotape shown by Al Jazeera that United States will not live in peace until Palestinians can do the same.

Dec. 13 - Bin Laden says he was optimistic about Sept. 11 attacks but dared not hope they would bring down World Trade Center towers, according to video that the United States says confirms his guilt.

Sept. 10, 2002 - Al Jazeera runs audiotape it says is bin Laden praising Sept. 11 attackers as men who changed history.

Feb. 11, 2003 - Message believed to be from bin Laden urges Muslims to fight U.S. and repel any war against Iraq.

Sept. 10 - Al Jazeera airs video of bin Laden and al Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahri descending mountainside calling for jihad and praising the 9/11 hijackers. And so on…

Lew Ciefer, May 4 at 5:19 pm,

I read all of your post and came to the same conclusion I always
come to—that your posts are twaddle.

thethirdman, May 4 at 1:20 pm,

“And as for the capturing Bin Laden and trying him in the Hague,
you’re right, we should have just set our phasers to stun and
transported him out of there.  It’s not like they had guns.  I bet he
would have gone peacefully.”

That would have been wonderful to have had an
actual trial in the Hague for Osama bin Laden,
but that doesn’t seem to be the way of things
these days, as actual trials bring out facts and
facts are to be kept hidden from the majority
population.

Osama bin Laden was a leader and there has always been
respect for leadership among leaders, which would have
warranted his capture, instead of killing him, but apparently his
death was more important to the powers that be.  For some
reason capture and torture of the Osama minions
were/are considered more important than
capturing and torturing the leader, which is
illogical. 

Hardly anything that is put out by the Corporate Right-Wing media
is really 100% truth, so I take everything either the media or the
government says as some form of propaganda anymore, for the
destruction of the majority population, even when the party in
power is the Democrats.

Mr. Sheer:

What sophist, elitist, anti-American tripe.

If there’s anything I find more nauseating than a drunk vomiting in my 1979 Chevy pick ‘em up truck, it’s myopic, self-loathing, hypocritical, wealthy anti-Capitalist, anti-American white man. Especially one who still believes in that which Bertrand Russell long ago correctly labeled as intellectual rubbish ... the superior virtue of the oppressed. 

Who exactly are “we” Mr. Scheer? Surely you mean the Ruling and Political Oligarch and their propaganda myrmidons in the U.S. Media, right? If memory serves, sir, it was the Media that painted the romantic imagery of the noble Islamic savages, mounted on their white steeds, fighting the Russian hoard with bloodied scimitars in one hand while simultaneously swooping down and lifting, with their free arm, the waiting, squealing, and trembling with anticipation, media types, carrying them off into the sunset to enjoy a night of Arabian passion. Is that the “we” to whom you refer sir?

I ask because the “we” in my neck of the woods couldn’t care less about the Mujahedeen, Osama whatever, or the Ruskies. “We” were trying to get over being sold out by “our” politicians and “our” people while in Vietnam, trying to eke out a living through a period of record high inflation, OPEC created gas shortages, and perhaps save a little to supplement Social Security in our old age. “We” were, and still are, concerned how “our” voices and “our”  concerns continually fall upon the deaf ears of an obviously bought-off political elite whose only interests are those of their corporate and wealthy-elite masters.

Osama far from being an innocent and duped country bumpkin and sheep-herder, was born into one of the world’s wealthiest families; one of the closest allies to the Saudi royal family. A family, reportedly, worth billions Mr. Scheer! He was, like so many self-appointed saviors of mankind, born into wealth and privilege. His family wealth afforded him the opportunity to obtain a great education, reportedly an engineering degree, and he had the whole world before him. The world was his oyster! Instead of taking over the family business he chose to go into the saving mankind business and paid for it with his life. Unfortunately too many innocent people paid for his delusions as a self-appointed savior of mankind also. Perhaps he should have consulted Jesus or Spartacus before getting into the business of fucking with empires.

You’ve got it backakwards and I didn’t read anything in your bio about Texas A&M. I say that Osama bin Laden had morphed into an insane religous zealot long before CIA involvement and was duping the CIA every bit as much as they were trying to dupe him. I believe that his devious mind saw an opportunity to have two of his enemies fight each other, provide access to the most advanced technology of the day, and hopefully result in having to fight only one instead of two enemies in his dream of a worldwide Islamic caliphate. It’s obvious he was so delusional that he thought he could win a gun fight against an empire while armed with only a knife. He thought wrong!

If Osama had been born into a family like mine—five siblings in a two-bedroom shack whose father died from cancer when the oldest was barely twelve—perhaps then you could whine how the poor little rich kid didn’t get a break.

There’s no love lost between me and the corporatized United States of America Mr. Scheer, but I’m an old man and have lived, fought and worked in many countries on this rock and I can see where one’s bread is much better buttered ... and with less effort.

Perhaps you should deal with your white man’s burden by giving up all that privilege and wealth you enjoy and try picking up a cross. I understand that Al Qaeda is looking for a new savior of mankind. Who knows, that could be the gig that wins you that elusive and coveted Pulitzer.

You know what? It’s not MY fault or YOUR fault that Osama bin Laden decided that the only way he could bring about his Taliban-like vision of the world was to bomb the shit out of innocent people rather than valid military targets.  Like the founder of the Ku Klux Klan, Nathan Bedford Forrest said, “Keep up the skeer!”  That’s what he intended to do.

He screwed up: He INTENDED to kill over 50,000 people with the WTC attack, but “only” killed 3,000.

He chose to attack civilians, innocent people, children without remorse.  Nobody created that viciousness but himself.

His choice. His responsibility. His fate.

I won’t celebrate his death and I think only an ignorant ghoul celebrates death.  But I won’t mourn the son of a bitch.

****************

Real or fake, it is the use by those running this country to
create the boogie men too scare the bejeezus out of us poor
scared seeple. I mean it isn’t enough to just scare, taunt and
harass the people with such things as the ‘war on ghosts’ but
it serves a better purpose to have a face with a name.

Saddam Hussien was real, and he was used the exact same
way or should I say, yes there is/was a osama bin laden who
was real, and was used the same way. Just go in and get both
of them to do some dirty work and assure them of the u.s.
help and support and safety. Then as their use dwindles or
other plans and agendas take shape, leave them hgh and dry
then throw them under the bus.

This is also so much like what the u.s. did to several countries
in south america. Go in destroy society and the economic
system and send in the imf wto or world bank, then rob them
blind and leave to pick up the pieces. They learned and it
would stand to reason that this middle east characters would
or will. And if and when they do, it will be a fell day for
amerika.

Nemesis is coming and she’ll soon be checking out the
neighborhood.

When someone is wanted dead or alive, it doesn’t matter that they
don’t have a gun, who will collect the ransom?

Surfnow,
So we are a bunch of big dummies.  Never said we weren’t.  My comments are
directed at all those here that feel so smart for figuring out what really must be
going on.
Good job, you have all found out that the emperor is not wearing any clothes. 
Now what?  You can continue to stroke your own egos and carry on with your “It’s
not fair” analysis, but does your interpretation help us understand how the world
really works?
And as for the capturing Bin Laden and trying him in the Hague, you’re right, we
should have just set our phasers to stun and transported him out of there.  It’s not
like they had guns.  I bet he would have gone peacefully.

I agree with many comments, that we should have put bin Laden on trial in Den Hague, to show the world, that America, really stands for justice and truth. Taking bin Laden out the way we did, might be fodder for military junkies, but has lessened the impact. America is always looking for the “bad guy”,who’s next?

Maybe Robert Sheerer feels cleansed by the death of Osama bin
Laden, but I do not feel cleansed by the death of Osama bin Laden if
in fact the dead person is in fact Osama bin Laden, especially if the
never ending terror war doesn’t end.

I guess I’m just too cynical to believe this whole song and dance about storming the compound and getting the so-called enemy “coincidentally” happened on the anniversary of “mission accomplished”. Now Obama and Bush are going to strut around in New York for some fake victory tour. The lengths politicians will go to to get reelected are totally nauseating but the real tragedy is it works.

Thethirdman:
You really are clueless.  In 2003, 71 percent of this country believed that the invasion of Iraq was our justified response to 9-11. Most Amerikans believed that Saddam was responsible for the attcks on 9-11 and that he had WMDs. Only a minority knew that it was about oil.

USA! USA! I was sickened to see this barbaric display because someone was killed,. Dignity anyone?
so the trigger happy seals murdered this dude in cold blood. I am sure they are happy and proud to be american heroes.

killing anyone is totally f-kd up and barbaric, so they are no better than he was.

one poster noted keeping him alive and trying him in the Hague would have been the intelligent and just thing to do. It would have exposed his crimes to the world and helped to decimate al quaida.

so we as americans are neither intelligent or just; we are brutes who cant think past our meatloaf dinner.

Sorry, that would be Lafayette, not Lafeyette.  Your post, based on reality, got me
all excited.

Lafeyette,
Stellar interpretation, and very important to keep in mind when dealing with the
legacy of our Middle East policy.  People seem to paint the Cold War these days as
a boys-with-toys misadventure.  I think we tend to forget that the consequences
were real.  It wasn’t pretty, and we had to learn a few lessons the hard way, but the
spread of Communism was indeed a real threat.  Unfortunately, people laugh at
you these days for “buying the Govt. propaganda” of the Cold War, but it is no
mistake to say that our way of life, for better or worse, was indeed threatened.
It would be nice to live in this world of dreamers, but as you say, “that ain’t gonna
happen.”

Wow, I am so shocked that strategic friends become enemies!  Thank you for
bringing this to our attention Mr. Scheer.  So you are saying that times change,
circumstances change, strategies change?

Ok, please help me try to understand something.  If one were to have an 8th
grade familiarity with the history of the world, he would realize that a) the
enemy of my enemy is my friend (only for as long as I need him), b) power
relations constantly change and refusing to change your strategy will only result
in your own demise, c) OF COURSE it’s about the oil, why the hell else would we
care about the Middle East? If it didn’t have something we wanted, we would
treat it exactly as we treat the rest of Africa.

So here is my question-  Either you really believe in all that American
exceptionalism crap and are disappointed in our moral actions as a nation, or,
you really can’t analyze a pretty consistent pattern that started about 6,000
years ago with the beginning of world civilizations.  Which is it?

I used to think the Republicans were moronic in their naive interpretation of
America, but now I am beginning to believe the left is just as naive.  The only
way you would be upset about our “hypocrisy”  is if you truly believed all the
idealism in the first place and are now upset that we really are not a benevolent
superpower.  You all drank the cool-aide too.  It’s like finding out over and over
again that your parents are mere human beings that also make mistakes. 

If you all are so in tune with the real motivations of the United States, then why
does any of this shock you?

Yes, we are in it for us.
No, we don’t care about killing people to get our way.
Most of these comments sound like the 10,000 freshman essays I just had to
grade.  Like you are the only one on earth to find out the true secret history of
imperialism and only you are smart enough to really comprehend it.  Come on
boys, let’s grow up.

Nothing offends me more than dumping the body at sea.
clapping and cheering around the country only shows how Americans are as fanatics as these so call terrorists. Notice how quiet the Muslim world is?
Without a doubt I am sure there will be pay backs. Great empires always fall.

I am more afraid of terrorism from my own government than 100 Osama’s.

POLITICAL TIC-TAC-TOE

RS: But when bin Laden turned against us, he morphed into a figure of evil incarnate

Let me see, because bin Laden killed Russians he was a Nice Guy, but as soon as he killed 3000 people in the 9/11 attacks he became Evil Incarnate?

Curious logic, that. More like hyperbole-journalism. Bin Laden was evil from birth. We used him and he used us.

Now he sleeps with the fish. A fitting end to a long and morbid history of violence.

In short, it was an ill-fated and unjustifiable intervention by the U.S. into another nation’s internal affairs.

Right, so the Russian arming of the North Vietnamese, tantamount to intervention of the same sort, was a justifiable intervention because Robert Sheer has decided that South Vietnam was occupied by an American puppet government?
Afghanistan and North Korea were a sort of Political Tic-tac-toe - both were key attribute of the Cold War that had been going on since the Iron Curtain was established.

One can arguably make the point that had the US not defended itself in this manner, the Communists would have walked all over us in the Cold War. And those glowing times we had in the 1950s and 1960s would not have been so glorious as they were.

When you cave to a bully, whether in the neighborhood or internationally, your life goes to hell in a hand-basket.

When the Cold War go hot, American GIs came home in body-bags. That was the price to pay ... and, believe me, there are a lot of Russian mothers who lament the fact that they will never see again their lost sons. And Chinese, and North Korean.

War is a son-of-a-bitch. Death glorifies nobody unless we declare it so. Regardless of the glory, the dead remain dead. Given the choice, they would have rather lived.

Yes, it would be nicer if we could banish war to hell. But, that ain’t gonna happin’.

Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 11:30:45 PM
Subject: RE: Armijo confirmed judge?

Mr. Payne and All Interested Parties;

I cannot possibly ‘digest’ 5 years of litigation in one email.  See case pleadings for full details.

All evidence/statutes/requirements/etc., in re Armijo’s lack of required credentials are contained in the pleadings in our case.  Ditto for required clerk’s req’d stamp on all orders from the court.  Please consult PACER for court filings, or Mr. Payne’s posts for info.  From what I have seen, Mr. Payne seems to have hit the nail on the head in regards to clerk’s stamp requirements for all ‘orders’ .

I maintained all along that my case was an “outlaw proceeding” per PRA and Dole v. Steelworkers etc. 

In the beginning (‘06), I FOIA’d all NM Dist Ct. Fed judges credentials, and Armijo turned up blank.  I’m sure she has rectified the situation by now. 

If you read the filed court pleadings, you will be amazed at the perjury, subornation, fraud upon the court etc., perpetrated by our esteemed “officers” of the court. 

What I plan to do with this information is top secret, but it will be in the MSM eventually, for… “sunshine is the best disinfectant” ...quote from Justice Story (as I recall).

Bob Carman
All Rights Reserved,
Without Prejudice or Recourse, UCC 1-308.

“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”—William Casey, CIA Director (first staff meeting, 1981)

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R. Scheer,
surfnow,
madisolation,
and many others…

Very good commentary!

Shallow Maddow is useful in the sense that she is a good measure for what’s very
flawed in US political thinking.  No need to look any further.

Osama bin Laden was never ‘our’ guy.  He always was the corporatists’ and the military industrial complex’s guy. And to the very end he made trillions for the boys who control the American illusion while being the bogeyman to substantiate keeping the masses in fear and therefore easily manipulated and controlled. Bush knew the value of keeping him alive; Obama’s killing of bin Laden may be a greater gift for different reasons than are being boisterously shouted today.

Looks as though, at least eventually, being a ‘friend’ of the US is as dangerous, if not more so, than being an enemy of the US. It appears that the only possible end to the current eternal war on terrorism will come when the rest of the world, both US ‘friends’ and foes, has had enough of being pawns, and turns against the US.
Unless We, the People of the US, throw out our present ‘leaders’ and policies, and try rationality rather than rampant greed as an approach to governing.

To me, the issue is sanctioned state
murder.  Obama joined the club (murderers row)
when he sent the first drones
into Pakistan immediately after
taking office.  All US presidents
have to join the club or they can’t
be president.
The idiotic demonstrations of joy
over this murder of a CIA asset
illuminates the profound ignorance
and shortsightedness of the
revelers.  It is now (and has been)
officially OK to murder at will
anyone.  Do those celebrating really
think they are excepted from this
process?
By killing a bogeyman that has been
demonized beyond all relation to
reality, the skids are greased for
more state murder.  Those who fear
retaliation from Al Qaida might
better direct their fear toward their
own government whose propensity
for violence in the advancement of
empire remains unchecked.

Scheer’s use of “we” to describe the criminals throughout this article is appropriate, because his “we” includes himself and all those who have voted for the corporate (R) & (D) party’s candidates.

Six years ago, I was writing about Osama and company being the creation of the Carter administration’s plan for replacing the failing Soviets with a new, improved and much more useful, necessary external threat (stateless terrorists), and of the seamless continuum of neoliberal policies, regardless of which interchangeable (R) and (D) parts are installed.

I didn’t use “we” when I wrote about the objective realities of what America was and what it was doing, back before the “progressives” feverishly packed the Congress in 2006 with Democrats who predictably didn’t do the good they could have when they could have (predictable because, in their being Democrats, they obviously never had any good intentions).

I didn’t use “we” when I wrote about the objective reality of what Obama was and what he would be (that Obama would make fascism fashionable again), back before the “progressives” maniacally mindlessly MovedOn in 2008 to make SickCare sicker and a “dumb” war become “necessary” wars.

On Election Day, in November of 2012, Robert Scheer will vote AGAIN for the Market State’s selected Obama to keep on continuing the continuum of America’s global corporate crimes. I won’t.

In a corporate state, protest votes are the only votes that are not wasted.

Good people don’t choose between fascists.  That’s what liberals are for.

now the US goverment has made him into a martyr by murdering him!

Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions, (including Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, under three different Presidents, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT), shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80?s.

Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

In addition…

- Former CIA officer and foreign policy expert Robert Baer, who in 2008 when asked about Bin Laden by a radio host responded, “Of course he is dead.”

- On December 26, 2001, Fox News, citing a Pakistan Observer story, reported that the Afghan Taliban had pronounced Bin Laden dead and buried him in an unmarked grave.

- On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced: “I think now, frankly, he is dead.”

- On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore.”

- In October 2002, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told CNN that “I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead.

- In 2003, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke she suspected Bush knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and was waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture.

- In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.

- In February 2007, Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program, stated that the purported video and audio tapes that were being released of Bin Laden were fake and that he was probably dead.

- On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.

- In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer Angelo Codevilla stated: “All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.”

- In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his “counterparts in the American intelligence agencies” hadn’t heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed “I don’t think he’s alive.”

The fact that the myth behind Al-Qaeda has been completely demolished and that the group, through a myriad of revelations, including Anwar Al-Alawki’s post-9/11 visit to the Pentagon, is now widely known to be a US intelligence front, perhaps now means that Al-Qaeda will be swept under the rug and a new enemy will be invented in order to legitimize the continued US military-complex domination of the globe.

I’m betting Pakistan or Iran. And any other Arab country that still has money and some sovereignty.

I agree with the gist of this column. 

Just one nit and a comment or two:

According the book The Dark Side of Camelot it was JFK who signed off on the execution of Ngo Dinh Diem. And JFK did it because Diem was negotiating with the north and was prepared to capitulate for peace, a peace the US did not want at the time because it would have hurt JFK’s re-election chances in 1964 if he was perceived as soft on communism.

Other than that, I’d say at a visceral level I have no regrets that Osama is dead. But at a cerebral level I can say his death makes little difference because we have not changed our energy policy over the last decade. We are still funneling oil money to the Saudis.

That money flows to Madrasses—schools—that teach hatred of the west. Some people leave those schools and join terrorist groups.

Change our energy policy.

Get our troops out of Muslim holy land.

Stop financing the Saudi regime with oil money.

Cut off military aid to Israel that we are not bound to give them by its treaty with Egypt. 

At that point our need to destroy ourselves fighting a tactic and calling it a war will diminish greatly.

I am sick and tired to hearing the words “Islamic terrorists.” There cannot be an Islamic terrorist anymore than there can be Christian terrorists, Buddhist/Hindu/Jewish terrorists. No religion advocates terrorism. However, there can be people who profess a particular faith who do acts of terrorism in the name of their religion—or while claiming to be acting patriotically.

Good article. The blowback from supporting Osama and his ilk has cost us over
at last count 1.4 trillion dollars and changed our American way of life and cost
thousand of lost American lives. We made an enemy of Iran when we overthrew
a democratically elected government in 1953. Too much of our diplomcacy was
learned from the British and French who were the last countries we should have
been emulating. After World War II the wheels started to slowly come off in our
relations with the rest of the world. Our support of Israel while necessary has
also been costly. Our need for oil has been costly. Forty years after declaring
we needed energy indepedence we are still acting like their is pleny of oil left.
Vietnam was a huge debacle. We have made a lot of mistakes. Still we created
the Marshall plan and opened doors with Communist China. But we are still
acting stupid with Cuba. If the president wants to increase his standing in the
world, we should declare victory in Afghanistan and get out. The less troops we
have in the Middle East, the better off we will be.

When we analyze many of the politcal hotbeds of the 20th century, unfortunately, the U.S. has almost always been involved (directly or indirectly). Yes, that is a consequence of being the world’s policeman. Unfortunately, the US government has been prone to making more bad decisions than good decisions with regards to foreign affairs.

In other words, as Scheer blatanly points out, the U.S. has created many of the “monsters,” whether the monsters are individuals or nations. One can argue that it is always easy to second guess, however, the politicianss that are making foreign policy decisions are supposed to be “professionals.” Sadly, like w Bush, historically, US politicians have diliberately misinterpreted evidence to favor their political motives.

As we all know, bin Laden is already a martyr and there is undoubtedly anotehr “bin Laden” ready to replace him among his fanatical devotees.

Great article - you are the only journalist/writer to talk about how old ‘friends’ turn into new ‘enemies’ when Americans have no further use for them. America helped create Osama and things were fine when the viscious dog went after America’s enemies. As soon as the mad dog learned he was used by the American master, he turned on it hence 9/11. Too bad other news media don’t honestly discuss the history of osama and the U.S.

I posted the following comments elsewhere but thought them worthy to also post here.  I’m afraid
“hard times” lie ahead for our deceptive military/
industrial run country: Mr. Scheer does an excellent
job succinctly describing the deceptiveness of Washington.  When students on various campuses
learn what really is going on in Washington there
exhilaration will suddenly disappear:

By christian96, May 3 at 7:37 pm

As the rest of you I have been reading reports and
watching TV coverage of what supposedly happened in
the killing of Osama Bin Laden.  My concerns perhaps
are indictative of yours:
1. First, I don’t understand the sudden need to get
rid of the body. I know the reason offered is to pay
homage to practices of the Muslim faith.  That reasoning is so fallacious I won’t waste any further
time and space on it.
2. Second, I am appalled by the reaction of students
on various campuses.  They were acting like Notre Dame just beat Alabama for the national college football title.  A sad state of affairs which says
volumes about the state of our nation.
3. Third, I am very concerned of the possible reactions of various Islamic terrorist groups.  Did
the way we handle the situation just add fire to an
already boiling pot of violence?  Wouldn’t it have been far more rational to capture Osama Bin Laden alive and try him in a court of law? Or would that have opened a can of worms the leaders of our country
didn’t want to open?
4. Fourth,  with our economy sinking rapidly, was the
situation handled the way it was to justify allocating further funds into the industrial/military complex?
5. Finally, it is my understanding that members of
Osama Bin Laden’s group survived the attack by the
Navy Seals.  How long will it be before the American
public hears the testimonies of these individuals?

There have been so many half-truths ,misconceptions and lies about the entire scenario we’ll never get to the bottom. However, like some other posters write, there is one ,single, undeniable truth- oil is at the core of every single decision that has been made about Iraq and Afhganistan for many decades past. And the sad truth is it all could have been avoided if our Congress- and presidencies- had not been owned by oil companies and automakers since World War II. There have always been solutions to our addiction to oil.

If Obama cared one bit about our county, he’d use this opportunity to end the war in Afghanistan right now. He’d say the fight is over and it is time to come home and rebuild and replenish our own country. Instead, Obama invites George Bush to attend some sort of worthless PR ceremony he’s cobbled together at Ground Zero. Why can’t everyone take off their blinders and see what a truly nasty man Obama is? I adamantly hope, in the coming months ahead, people tire of Obama’s endless, worthless, self-promoting words.
Now he has his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton going around, bug-eyed and screeching: “War! More war!” And his media minions, like Rachel Maddow, are propagandizing for war, placing blame on Pakistan, in order to raise the hostility between our two countries. Read Justin Raimondo’s column today, entitled “Shut Up, Rachel,” and you’ll get sense of just how craven so-called “liberal” corporate puppets have become:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/05/03/shut-up-rachel/
Let’s all just shut these warmongers out and concentrate on promoting peace.

Osama bin Laden was not “our own” creation. He was a myth-monster, created, magnified and perpetuated by the CIA under GHWBushSr., NOT BY US.
A monster –  in myth only; in reality undocumented.  Even the F.B.I. found no genuine evidence that Osama bin Laden was involved in 9-11. In addition, the FBI notified a European intelligence agency that a cruise missile, not an airliner, struck the pentagon.
 
The world has observed how the myth of a man who died ten years ago from renal failure, is continuously misused in a pre-planned, staged, Hollywood-style, propaganda production, designed to support the re-election of a fraud occupying the Presidency of the U.S.A.  Standard operating procedure, for the few, super-rich, string-pullers who manipulate a nation´s military leadership to engage in genocide.  One-star, two-star, three-star and four-star p-a-w-n-s ?  Shameful.

Though I agree with the essence of Robert Scheer’s piece, I am still shocked and surprised that he comes out as one who has drunk the Cool-Aid of the official false narrative about Bin Laden being the mastermind of 9/11 and about the more fictitious narrative of him being killed in this latest bad movie, directed and produced by Obama and gang!

I wonder who got his AK-74 Krinkov?  No doubt a prized possession and a trophy of note.

I wish Mr. Scheer had addressed the allegations that oil is playing a role in U.S. military aims in Afghanistan. Isn’t there something about securing the area for the constructon of a pipeline (from Central Asia)?

Of course, in the award-winning documentary “Restrepo,” soldiers were told they were fighting to secure an area for the construction of a road that would lead to economic development (of an unspecified nature).