Hi Ardee,

  Just wanted to give you another Thank You for your
kind words.  It meant a lot to me.

  Reminded me of a couple of years ago when I came home
and my ex-wife had been there with a wood burning tool
and put this on my dining room table.

OFERSINCE72
Born again, trouble makin,
tree huggin, “radical lefty”
titty crazed   F O O L

What kind words they were too…
she should have just left it at FOOL.
(since I still talk to her)

Moronic Rich Boy

“According to the Cato Institute, the U.S. federal government spent $92 billion on corporate welfare during fiscal year 2006. Recipients included Boeing, Xerox, IBM, Motorola, Dow Chemical, and General Electric.”

“Alan Peters and Peter Fisher have estimated that state and local governments provide $40-50 billion annually in economic development incentives, which many critics characterize as corporate welfare.”

So much for your Free Market bull.

In addition, Rich Boys are subsidized by the labor of working people all over the world.

In terms of individual responsibility, I have yet to hear one Rich Boy ideologue take responsibility for the deaths of millions, and the displacement of millions more, caused by right wing policies. I have not heard a Rich Boy ideologue take responsibility for the collapsed economy caused by right wing economic policies. I have not heard one Rich Boy ideologue take responsibility for the consequences of right wing deregulation policies that are responsible for the destruction of our environment. The list goes on ad nauseam.

Your simple minded self serving theories have failed totally and have absolute and quantifiable results. How wrong do you have to be before you recognize your idiocy?

You are a simple minded ideologue, who has no concern for the welfare of others. You are arrogant to point of lunacy with your sense of entitlement. Your infantile, talking point posts, illustrate exactly what a Rich Boy is, and believes.

bonito, June 14 at 11:57 am,

If the populace can and will agitate long and loud enough to get a Multi-Party Political System institutionalized by legislated law and order in the United States, the American Populace can then be represented both politically and in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order in both houses of Congress and the government; if the American Populace is not willing to fight and die to prevent their being subjected to legislation without representation by the Democratic Party and the Republican Party that represents corporate interests and aristocratic interests respectively, the American Populace can expect what they are putting into support for their own best interest, NOTHING, that the status quo will remain as it is and that the American Populace will not be represented in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order that is in the best interest of the American Populace; if you put nothing in, you get nothing back, it’s that simple.

After reading most of what has been written on this
site,  I have yet to read what could be a solution to
the problem facing the hard working people of these
United States.  Forget the two party system and
organize a Labor Party.  Neither of the two parties
we now have do much at all for working people, and if
they collectively had to go to this Labor Party to
pass anything taking care of the rich and greedy,
(there is no way in hell you may stop that) then in
turn would have to include something more than a few
crumbs for those whom toil to make them Rich.

Those whom complain about the Unions and their
efforts to improve the lot of those that toil, should
stop to ponder what things would be like today had
not some of their Heroic members given their lives so
that one might make a little more then minimum wage, 
and just maybe earn enough with the help of Student
loans, send their children to College.

It takes a Fool to vote against ones own interest,
yet, that is exactly what most working people do
today when they listen to the Garbage put out by
those whom would enslave them.

rico, suave, June 13 at 9:23 am,

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/04/sarah_palin_rallies_tea_party.html

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/193662.asp

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2010/03/sarah_palin_and_the_tea_party.html

http://politics.nashvillepost.com/2010/02/07/the-begining-of-the-end-sarah-palin-hijacks-the-tea-party-movement/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589665,00.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?blogid=95&entry_id=60083

What you are saying is that you do not know the difference, and that is pathetic, but it is your pathetic problem; as Newt Gingrich said, “Get used to it” and deal with it.

Sarah Palin IS a Republican Party leader of the Tea Party loonies.

Tommy:

I never said Palin was leader of the Republican Party, you did. I said she was a Republican, and probably only for the sake of expedience at that.

rico, suave, June 12 at 7:47 pm,

So, you are saying that Sarah Palin is a Republican, but that Republicans are not the leaders of the Tea Party Movement.

Would this same logic apply to the Pope, that the Pope is Catholic, but the Pope is not the leader of the Catholic Religion?

Saying that the Pope is not the leader of Catholicism does not make it so, and saying that Sarah Palin, as a leader of the Republican Party, is not Republican Party leadership of the Tea Party Movement does not make it so.

Tommy G;

“Sarah Palin, as the LEADER of the Tea Party Movement,”

Wait. When was that established? Did I say that, or is that just a premise you threw out there and hoped it would stick to the wall?

“The objective “causal pattern of perception” in these posts will be difficult for the subjective mindset of a Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Republican.” You may be right, I don’t know. I’m not one of those and I doubt too many of them read truthdig.

“I take your last post to indicate acknowledgment that the Tea Party Movement is led by the Republican Party leadership”

No. You asked me if Palin was a Republican and I said, “Yes.” The Tea Party connection never came up. You are making the “causal pattern of perception” connect all on your own.

ofersince72:

“The conservatives have never had a solution for anyone but their fat selves,...”

Congratulations!!! You just broke the freakin code!!!

Why should I have to come up with solutions for YOUR problems? And vice versa? And why should I depend on the government to solve my problems? You go right ahead, be a slave to the government, but don’t expect me to be happy about paying your bills.

And don’t give me any of that “brother’s keeper” crap either. To progressives, all that means is “give me some of your money rich boy and I won’t call you names.”

Rico suavy,

Just because you are right about the origins of the
tea party movement , doen’t mean your conservative
solutions are right.

The conservatives have never had a solution for anyone
but their fat selves, from us uniform, you must be one
of them!!!

By ThomasG, June 11 at 5:23 pm,

“The Republicans certainly would like the support of the Tea PArty. But they certainly aren’t leading it and they certainly have a long way to go.” —rico, suave, June 11 at 5:37 pm (enhanced)

“The Tea Party is being led by the Republicans to get popular support for the Republican Party.” —ThomasG, June 11 at 5:23 pm (enhanced)

“Answer this question, What Political Party does Sarah Palin belong to?” ” —ThomasG, June 11 at 6:35 pm

“Republican. I know this is a set up, but I’ll bite.” —rico, suave, June 12 at 9:56 am (enhanced)

The objective “causal pattern of perception” in these posts will be difficult for the subjective mindset of a Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Republican. 

If, however,  you can get past your subjective conditioning as a Conservative Republican, you should be able to recognize a “causal pattern of perception” between Sarah Palin, as the LEADER of the Tea Party Movement, and Sarah Palin, as the Vice Presidential Running Mate of John McCain as the Republican Party Candidate in the last Presidential Election. 

I take your last post to indicate acknowledgment that the Tea Party Movement is led by the Republican Party leadership as an effort to get populace support for the Aristocratic and Corporate Interests of the Republican Party by pandering down to the populace, without any intent at all in representing Populace Interests in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order.

Re “The Message From Arkansas,” NYTimes,June 10. Anonymous the White House staffers criticized union’s and progressives’ spending against renomination of Sen. Blanche Lincoln.
  The FBI must investigate the identity and motive of the mole that infiltrated the White House. Destruction of the administration’s last vestiges of trust by their supporters make the mole’s existence obvious. Surely staffers can’t have become either 1)  politically stupid or 2) so overwhelmed with vengeance and undisciplined/out of control that they are incapable of even comprehending political reality and the importance of loyalty to their supporters.
  Independent Democrats, disillusioned working families and union members, all sick of politics as usual, campaigned in unprecedented grass roots numbers for “Change We Can Believe in”—with the understanding that almost all U.S. institutions became dysfunctional and destructive of the common interest, requiring that Obama return us to sound traditional values with transformational nation building here at home.

TomG:

Republican. I know this is a set up, but I’ll bite.

When a responsible sea-captain sailing in the North Atlantic in the winter is warned that there are icebergs on his route he asks for more information and changes course. Here are the icebergs of our nation: record unemployment, two wars, huge deficits, oil disaster, a dysfunctional legislature. What does our captain Obama do? He commands: “damn the icebergs, straight ahead!” Meanwhile Mr. Dionne, as usual, wastes his time and computer memory on piddling side-shows.

This incessant bickering over which party, faction, what-have-you is right/wrong, speaks for the AMERICAN PEOPLE, best defines the role of govt. in everyday affairs, etc., etc., etc…..is nothing but a smoke & mirrors subtrefuge to divert attention from the real state of affairs in this country! The government is the corporations and the corporations are the government! Repeat it; memorize it; BELIEVE IT! The plutocrats, corporatists, fascisrs, oligarchs, or whatever you wish to call them DON’T GIVE A RAT’S ASS what any of us say or do or want or think or feel or, or, or… And if you believe otherwise, just tell me how that nit-wit in S.C. got the democratic senate nomination and why there is soooooo… little uproar about it! You can’t really believe that DeMento did it all by himself, can you?

rico, suave, June 11 at 5:37 pm,

Answer this question, What Political Party does Sarah Palin belong to?”

The Republicans certainly would like the support of the Tea PArty. But they certainly aren’t leading it and they certainly have a long way to go.

rico, suave, June 11 at 3:46 pm,

The Tea Party is being led by the Republicans to get popular support for the Republican Party.

What LEFT? You mean the fake progressive movement with the left-hating O-
Stupid and his confused Cinderella?

hahahahahaha.

welshTerrier:
“Are you suggesting that the Tea Party movement, however misguided it might be, is ultimately a rebellion from the right against corporate governance?”

Yes, I am. The Tea Partiers are just as frustrated by big institutions taking over everything as the progressives are. The only real differences are the solutions they prescribe.

Porgressives want more government control over everything, conservatives want less. Progressives think that less government control means corporations will run amok. Conservatives believe that corporations have a survival instinct that precludes their pissing off their customers and stockholders. Corporations today spend so much time fighting off government meddling that they have lost sight of their primary purposes. No wonder the entire public is pissed at one or the other of them.

The reason I’m a conservative is because I don’t believe that turning my well-being, freedom and liberty over to the government is a better deal than fending for myself in the free market.

But for his goofy religious riffs and his constant references to the Founders, Glenn Beck sounds like a total lefty. Listen to him some time. He HATES Republicans.

Every time you vote, you vote for the status quo—a one party dictatorship that continues to commit genocide against indigenous folks through the APARTHEID sysztem, gringo version.

It is time for all of the 20% democratic left that registers and votes with the autocratic right conservative Republican Party to pull out of the autocratic right Republican Party and make the Democratic Party actually represent the democratic left.

Most people are finding it very hard to accept the reality that things are not
going well in the US.  It’s not just about the financial and banking disaster, or
the oil spill, or health care, or unemployment, housing and education -it’s
about everything. And, most importantly, it’s not just about you and me -it’s
about all of us.

Because of the kind of information most people get, there’s little awareness of
how much so many things are inter-related and out of control. We need to stop
thinking of isolated disasters and isolated sectors of society. Nothing is isolated at this point.  The two ruling parties have nothing to offer in terms of a healthy direction. They are simply too tied to big money and show no signs of changing
their ways.  But it’s the average people who make big businesses super rich with their work, and who can make corrupt government officials powerful with their vote. Who else? We need to pay attention and think in terms of the common good in order to find a better way for ourselves.  Anything else will be a waste of time and an invitation for more disasters. It won’t be easy but we need to start thinking in a new way.

What a joke—labor’s 10 million could have been better spent? What about the 1 trillion we’ve spent in that pest hole known as Afghanistan? Obama, you’re a jerk.

Surprise, surprise, Mr. Dionne gets it wrong again.

The Democratic party doesn’t need more unity at all.  That is the opposite of what the Democratic party needs, in fact. 

The Democratic party needs to cut loose all the self-proclaimed “Democrats” who are only slightly less Republican in ideology than George W. Bush and return to core Democratic party values.  The last thing we need is to rally in solidarity with a bunch of “Democratic” candidates that are more pro-Wall St. than Wall St. itself. 

Unity, indeed.  How about values - what the party - and our society REALLY needs!!!!

Welsh Terrier,

Rico hit the nail on the head about the Tea Party.
so for them, the loud ass mouthpieces such as Beck and
Limbaugh exploited them, so in turn many switched to Paul.
This group was wide open to take for the democrats, they
blew it with their elitist response to Beck , alienating
these middle class , close to retirement white folk that
lost a lot in the crash.  I know many of these folks,
some of them even helped to put Obama in the White House.
The Liberal medias response to beck and the rest chased
them away, do you remember, a few months ago right here
on truth dig all of the journalists response to them?
It was as negative as Beck ever was to liberals.

Hey GAnderson….I believe we have already had that last
horraay

The hell with the Democrats!  Forget them.  Abandon them.  They are less than worthless!

rico, suave:

Thanks so much for your post.  Are you suggesting that the Tea Party movement, however misguided it might be, is ultimately a rebellion from the right against corporate governance? Gotta spend a little time thinking that one through.

In response to your comment:

“The two major political parties have completely sold out their old constituencies”, I would suggest that the Democrats’ “big tent”, that has tried to build a party from numerous interest groups and “identity” constituencies, is a failed model.

No progress can be made until all of these “narrow agenda” groups rally around a single idea:  restore power to the American people. This is not to minimize the importance of these groups’ agendas but rather to recognize that without power, i.e. under the tyranny of the corporate state, no agenda can be realized. All progress is illusory.

Too many Democrats don’t get that.  The Democratic Party, as constituted, is a loosely affiliated conglomerate of women, gays, Blacks, Hispanics, unions, anti-warriors and the greenie environmentalists. Who among them speaks to the great corporate lie? Who among them stands up against American imperialism and our immoral foreign policy? Who among them understands that “too big to fail” also means “too big to govern”? Who among them is willing to “do the real things” to close the gap between rich and poor? Who among them recognizes that capitalism and democracy cannot coexist? Who among them can see that the electoral noose mandates change-killing moderation and centrism?

Power lies all the time and it sure doesn’t lie with you.

While Obama and the other marionettes do their boogey woogey down K Street, the American dream has become an impossible nightmare. Two party electoral politics, no matter how well-intended, cannot bring about the changes we so desperately need.

No but it ought to..

Because, if you realy think about it, these elections, were only the Democrats to lose..

But unfortunately, they Democratic ideology wandered off somewhere, and couldn’t find it’s way home…

Yea sure, the Dems will dutifully mention their tried and true bullet points, the ones they’ve seem to have been chanting forever….

But they still seem unable to grasp the fact, that if they keep on living in the past, once again the Republicans will take the possession of the house and senate, for another round of Reganomics, mabye the final one,...

welshTerrier:

Substitute “Democratic” with “Republican”, “left” with “right”, “liberal” with “conservative” and “progressive” with “libertarian” and your post would be just as valid and accurate.

The two major political parties have completely sold out their old constituencies.

Tea parties are a response to this problem from the right. The left has no like movement and will suffer in November because of that.

The Unions supported Republican Scott Brown in Massachusetts for Edward Kennedy’s seat.  The Unions are not Democratic Left.

I haven’t any idea what the Unions are now, but in the past they used to protect workers from exploitation.  Maybe they still do.

The “Democratic Left” ... now there’s a contradiction in terms.  Those still registered as Democrats are not “The Left” even though mainstream liberal columnists like Mr. Dionne would like to believe anything left of “progressive” Democrats is the radical, crazy fringe.

Welcome to Democratic politics where public options are smashed and destroyed. Welcome to Democratic politics where President Obama and his majority-controlled Congress passed the largest military budget in US history. Welcome to the Democrats’ very special flavor of the war on terrorism. Welcome to the “shock doctrine” and continued US imperialism. Welcome to globalized trade treaties that export American jobs so that corporations can screw workers and make more money. Welcome to an administration that loves GMOs, offshore oil drilling and a climate bill so watered down that it will not meet the necessary CO2 deadlines.

Keep voting for Democrats and nothing will change. Nothing.

Liberal Democrats need to leave the Democratic Party where their voices are squashed by corporate money. They think they’re oh-so-pragmatic because they accept “the lesser of the evils” as a sign of maturity and reasonableness. They aren’t pragmatic, though, if the policies their votes condone just lead us into greater darkness. Meaningful change, on the core issues, is not possible inside the Democratic Party.

Progressives in the Democratic Party need to join with the “real left” and build an opposition movement against both corporate parties. Anything else is just pretend. Inside the party, your voices will never be heard and your votes and your money and your campaign work will always be taken for granted.

There is no democracy in the USA.

And much less a “democratic left”.

What a joke!

I may spend the rest of the day laughing at you guys.

Oh, I see. The progressive left isn’t hurting after their losses in primaries last Tuesday. They’re hurting because some so-to-be-ex-White House mouthpiece committed a faux pas.

It appears President Jimmy Carter’s Election Verification Team needs to verify a Halter/Lincoln Primary Election RECOUNT in Arkansas USA.

Such outrageous contempt for working people, from the party
that’s supposed to be on their side.

No wonder they’re turning to religious fanaticism and other kinds of
magical thinking. The secular, rational outlets for their grievances
are all closed off.

American public schools increasingly aren’t even allowed to teach students
about the history of the labor movement and their own rights as working
people. They are systematically being deprived of the political and intellectual
tools for even conceiving of their own predicament and what to do about it,
instead left to cope with it by resorting to “positive thinking” quackery, or
mega-church Christian fascism.

The American elite seems to think that low-income Americans, representing an
ever larger and more hopeless segment of the population, will quietly accept
their fate, meekly allowing themselves to be flushed down the pipe, like soiled
toilet paper. The elites somehow think they can laugh about this to each other,
and no one will overhear them.

Big B - You really hit the nail on the head:

The notion that Organized Labour is a force in American society today is ridiculous. Unions are straw-creatures much like Reagan’s “welfare queen.” As long as the conservative propaganda machine (the Media) can vilify all of those “over-paid” parasites (workers), the easier it is to realize the “corporate” agenda: profits without employees.

“Organized labor just flushed $10 million of their members’ money down the toilet on a pointless exercise,” adding that “if even half that total had been well-targeted ... that could have made a real difference in November.”

A real difference for whom is the question?

Certainly not populace labor, all the jobs are going overseas, as Blanche Lincoln has no intention of representing populace labor; the only representation of populace labor are the unions. 

Labor did the best they could for the populace, but the DLC Republicans had even more money to spout their sophism and propaganda; or the election was rigged, which is highly likely. 

Halter must not just roll over, there needs to be a verified recount.

The president is not God.

The economic crash was about the housing bubble, how did Bush cause it
directly? Obama’s stimulus was spear-headed by Wall Street, not a very “liberal
democrat” interest group.

This is only a quibble, but it is a symptom of the narrow mindedness that is what
is causing most of the conflict in US politics these days.

Well, trying to find any differences between the Democrats and Republicans is almost as hard as trying to find a Catholic who finds Pedophilia a problem in their Church!

The two political parties play their good cop bad cop routine so poorly, it reminds me of bad acting on a sitcom, so maybe I am catching on?

So we have the party of no and we have the party of half asses mediocre compromise hoping if they vote for something it does not pass or is it visa versa?

Chomsky may be right in some of his descriptions of The USA and world makeup, comprised of the unpeople majorities and the elite minorities. 

Wonder,..... which one am I?

You can also count on E.J.Dionne to use talking points calculated to keep the left wedded to the Democratic Party, like the abused wife afraid to leave her husband.

Why does the left continue to buy into the bullshit spread by repugs and the MSM that big labor is still a major political player in the US when nothing could be further from the truth. Less than 10% of US workers are unionized, and a goodly portion of them are in impotent service workers unions.

It is no coincidence that the rise of the right and the copitulation of the left in our nation has occured since the fall of big labor. That has always been the goal of the reaganites, push free trade agreements and deregulation and the us industrial base will move to the third world and take the power of the american labor movement with it.

It worked brilliantly. And now it will be nearly impossible to un-seat blue dog, clintonite scum like Blanche Lincoln without losing the seat outright to a conservative.

Nothing can stop the Democrat Left…..

Because union members and their leaders are still
after all these years going trust Democrats,
toilet is too good of a word for the mentality
that I believe it took to throw at a Democrat in
Arkansas

Really had a worse word than that…

This guess who “aid” could have said “out the window” but when you have a plumber mentality (figuratively speaking) toilet must be the word that comes to mind.

Um, Um, Um,,  I am speechless.
Oh well, whats 10 flushed down the toilet.
The Dems (and pubs too) got caught laughing out loud
at their ability to rifle 10 mill out of the union
lobbys pocket book, knowing durn well it was wasted.
I am not suprised at the heist so much as their
cocky public laugh about it.