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Don’t let Rep. Stupak win twice! Call on your senators to reject anti-choice attacks on health-care reform.

The wheelers an dealers have wheeled and dealed for months now to hold their begging bowls as low and as close as they can get to that thing that has no odor…Money

Now it is the fault of women, these mean vicious creatures, who would deprive 35 million Americans of healthcare. Just let me dip a finger into that purple ink and then hold it up to see which way the wind is blowing. We learned these servile “public servants” don’t even write their own speeches, or perhaps they are included in the package deal for selling out the voters.
The bottom line…pay the insurance companies or pay the fine and blame women.

Pro Choicers could cope with this if there were at least the slightest attempt by Pro birthers to help us curb unwanted pregnancies!!!!!
As a Pro Choice supporter, My main goal is still to aid women in avoiding the sitiuation to begin with. Making Abortion a rare occurance. No Pro choice advocate wants to see women have to make such a heartbreaking decision.
And we also don’t want there to be starving children dying in the streets around the world and in our backyard from homelessness,disease and famine. Not to mention those who die as a result of abuse of neglect at the hands of those who didn’t want them to begin with, so think little of their well being, or existence, for that matter.
Help the Pro choicers provide family planning counseling, birth control and for gods sakes let us distribute condoms to reduce AIDS and other STDS.
Beyond that it is time for men to pick up their side of the issue. These woman are not getting pregnant through emmaculant conception. If My Uterus is subjected to not only public opinion, but also control, Then so should be mens testicles. This ‘johnny appleseed’ mentality is BS. You don’t pay for the kids you already have- snip snip. 3 strikes & you’re out. Same number of abortions I could concede that it was time to say ‘Scrambler her eggs’ as well.
Pro Choicers don’t trust the so called “Pro Life” movement because they have proven they don’t give a rats ass about anyones ‘life’ after birth. I see more money being paid out for protest posters, lobbyist and propaganda then seems to be going for the starving children of Africa. The ones created since they derailed the condoms programs- through defunding,sabatoge and lies.
Unitl the Real Pro Life Movements demands the posers also advocate for those humans, and citizens, who are already breathing as well, Pro Choicers are wasting their time trying to talk to these idiots.Not to mention being an advocate for the environment that sustains all our lives.
To take a ‘Pro Lifer’ seriously, their focus can’t just be confine to their advocacy for embryos and fetuses. Calling yourself a “Pro Lifer” and being against healthcare reform is not oxymoronic, but revealing about who’s lives you think are not worth saving.

If the demented worshippers of sky gods or burning bushes or fairies or whatever want to make abortion illegal, let them pass a constitutional amendment.

They are acting immorally when they try to blackmail people with the withholding of health care. It’s like someone threatening to turn off your life support when you’re in critical care to get you to convert to their religion.

The Stupak Amendment demonstrates the moral bankruptcy of many of those who claim to be religious.

It’s so odd that men of all political and class positions can unite in their opposition to women’s rights. 

This is an issue of women’s rights.  Women have the right to have an abortion, to terminate a pregnancy, according to the Supreme Court.  The Constitution protects this right beyond the reasoning of Roe vs. Wade.  All rights which are not specifically given to the federal government are reserved to the states or to the people.  The right to control one’s own body, whether that means the decision to go to the bathroom, drink water, have sex or not, have an abortion or not, are such personal decisions, such personal rights, granted to us at birth by God or whichever power creates human life, that no government has the authority to try to take away or control such individual rights.

I would love to see a law passed making it illegal for men to masturbate because, when they do, they are destroying a (potential) human life.  Or maybe deny healthcare to any man who masturbates.  It’s all so sexist, so founded in a hatred of women, a belief that women are property and should have no rights, a belief that men have the absolute right to control women’s reproduction, that it shows how little respect most men have for women.

No, this is not a small issue.  It’s just a give-away, a joining of forces by the sexist men who can unite around this one principle:  women should have no rights.

Honestly, the Democrats have done nothing for the citizens.  Why didn’t they start with single-payer?  Because Obama had secret meetings (like Cheney’s secret meetings with the oil companies) with the health insurance industry, the doctors’ lobbies, the hospital owners groups, the drug dealers, and negotiated an agreement which went like this:  the Democrats will not do anything to reduce the profits of these corporate industries, or to reduce the unconscionable charges to the American public for health care, in exchange for ... what?  Money?  Money given to the Democrats? 

Secret meetings.  Why were the meetings secret?  We were all sold out, but the men are so stupid that they will overlook that because the proposal allows them to, once again, trash and demean women, deny women their rights.  Which makes these loser men feel “powerful.”  I wonder how powerful they’ll feel when they’ve got no treatment for cancer because the Democrats sold them out too.

It’s such an old trick.  Everytime, for example, white and black working people have tried to work together for their own mutual improvement, the ruling classes go to the white people and revive racism, tell them to sell out the blacks, and the white people do it.  This is the same thing.  The men are selling out the women.  As if that will really get them anything except a moment of excitement as they feel powerful in once again denying rights to the “weaker” sex. 

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What happened is a textbook example of the long-known fact that “pragmatism” always leads to the abandonment of good principles. One should not be surprised by Dionne’s writing. He has been a shill for the Obamna administration from day one.

I’m a liberal and I believe in universal health care, and I say that America will be better off if this bill is defeated. It’s not what we want and it’s not what we need. Kill it now for the good of all.

This is why I said a National Health Care would never work in this country: religion. It is NOT allowed in our government, but our government is now ruled by it. Our Founding Fathers hated religion, and above all, Christianity. “Religion is the doom of all Democracy”, they warned. Religion gives people the feeling to the “right” of deciding other people’s lifestyles, freedom and decisions to a tightly-locked, minuscule, hate-filled, demanding set of “my rules and my rules only” kind of thing. 

You want to make heath care for all? Get rid of everyone who ISN’T an atheist or agnostic and let THEM make the rules. It really is that simple. And all you religious whiners, tough. YOU don’t get to make the rules. Our Constitution says so! Grow into a godless person and all of a sudden (I guess) it makes sense that each individual person has a right to live their lives how they want without your help, thank you very much for babysitting me. But politicians and the religious fear one thing: They will each have to take actual responsibility for their own actions and can’t blow the blame off on their fellow cohorts or some make-believe entity THEY have to demean, kill and drive to suicide because their make-believe entity never shows itself one iota in anything.

Seems to me if there is a god out there, it ain’t sticking one damn finger into any human being’s life, even though the “holy” will sure as hell blame the poor thing for doing so! You would think people saying they’re doing “god’s work” would leave people alone. But they don’t and can’t. Not to “save your soul” but because people NEED to rule others and feel more superior than their neighbor. Always have, always will.

So vote Ron Paul and if you have to, write in someone out of the phone book (GREAT idea!) in all other positions in every, single aspect of government, no matter how low-level. Or just vote for the Atheist on the list. Or the Agnostic. It’s the only way to get Health Care passed properly in this country, because I don’t care if my money is going to an abortion, a lung transplant, a peaceful end with dignity to some poor soul, an amputation, a head trauma case caused by skydiving or a blood transfusion needed because some idiot kid flipped his skateboard wrong. It’s HEALTH CARE for all and no one gets denied treatment for ANY reason and no treatment is not “talked about” because of someone’s ideals or philosophy or anything else they care to throw up as a roadblock!

P.S. When I was forced to use military “health care” I chose the I.U.D. after my daughter’s birth because I was not ALLOWED to get my tubes tied, because I was a girl, didn’t have at least 2 children and, as I was told, “didn’t have the sense to know what I was doing” (still used to this day by everyone denying any female the right to tie her tubes if she doesn’t want kids), by both male and female doctors. I tried over and over and over to make an appointment to get my I.U.D. replaced because they’re only good for a year. I was repeatedly told “We don’t have any appointments in OBGYN for a year.” A YEAR! I had my same I.U.D. for 3 years. When I finally DID get an appointment, my military-owned doctor was aghast and demanded to know if I realized that every month for the last 2 years, I was “aborting” any potential fetuses and therefore “killing my children”. I said no, but that I didn’t care as a) I was denied medical treatment to get on the pill, and b) didn’t really give a rat’s ass about a lump of cells. Women are not ALL “caregivers” or “mothers” by birth. But religion does not allow for that kind of thinking, does it?

Drop the health care bill! It’s a mess—no single payer, abortion restrictions, it sucks—So, 37 million people wont be covered with the crappy coverage the bill offers. So what? Have they been screaming for coverage? No. What is this all about?—it beats me—more important is a jobs program and getting out of Af/Pak. Of course the pro-empire/pro-wall street dems don’t want any of this—but these struggles are a lot more important that the health care debacle.

Obama is leading us to false highways. Slicksters in both parties are constantly screwing progressives. Time to get off that bus.

Work to defeat this ridiculous bill. Increasing the profits of the Insurance Industry by forcing the Poor and the Working Class to pay them for lousy care is asinine. No Bill is better than this Abortion - And, the Taxpayers will be forced to pay for this one, like it or not.

I did my venting in reply to Ellen Goodman’s article. I do have a question tho: Shouldn’t Dionne have a disclaimer mentioning his own religious views? I would guess he is a Catholic, and that guess is not based on this article alone…

All loving women abort their fetuse so as not to birth them into this vile country.

All thinking fetuses cry out to be aborted rather than born into this vile country.

What a sleazy bargaining tactic it is to force women (and sympathetic men) into choosing to give up health care for voluntary abortions in exchange for passing a bill that could provide minimum basic health care for children! Venal politics at its worst?  No, save that for sending young people into some third world desert to kill old men, women and kids.

The Democrats haven’t had principles in a long, long time. 

Power is the principle the Democrats believe in. The Democrats believe that they should have power.  That’s it.  There is nothing else that the Democrats won’t sell out to get power.

Or more accurately, the Democrats will lie to the voters about any issue to gain power.

This bill pumps billions into the health insurance industry.  The Democrats will certainly benefit from this as a portion of that money will be recycled back into bribes for insurance-company-friendly politicians.  And the Democrats expect to get a large chunk of this in exchange for making the insurance companies even richer. 

The real message of this piece is that the Democrats want the power that comes showing that they can reward their masters in corporate America.  No dang women with their concerns about being able to control their own bodies will be allowed to stand in the way of this power play.

Ignoring anything said by anyone who’s a paid employee of the Washington Post is a really good idea.
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Isn’t it fascinating how the progressives are constantly told that they must submit to what the conservatives want.  But the conservatives are never told that they must agree to what the progressives want.

Of course, this is the message from the pro-war, pro-corporate writers at the Washington Post.

When a man grows a uterus, I’ll consider his opinion on what I should think about mine.  Feh, to the author.

Apparently there is more attention and whining about the fact that abortion might not get funded by the taxpayers than there is about the fact that the Federal Government has no Constitutional foundation to mandate Citizens to purchase a “product” from a for profit company.

I’m coming to the conclusion that most of the Suckers, er, I mean Citizens actually deserve to lose their heritage.

Because usually you don’t know what you have until it’s gone.

Of course when the next Republican President decides to mandate the purchase of something it will be too late.

Dionne: “The truth is that even with the Stupak restrictions, health care reform would leave millions of Americans far better off than they are now—including millions of women.”

You’re wrong, EJ. The “Health Insurance Reform” as written will make future generations answer to multiple bureaucracies, not the least of which will be the IRS. Just for living, not driving a car, or stealing insurance premiums.

Do you even remember when Obama campaigned against Clinton on Mandates, and the arguments he used? Your selective memory is…lacking and infuriating. Us lowly Citizens are expected to tell the truth to the Feds anytime we’re asked a question, under penalty of law. Obama campaigned against a mandate and lied. Oh, he “changed his mind” once he got elected, did he. Well I’m going to “change my mind” every time I deal with the Feds. That’s Presidential, isn’t it.

Dionne: “cannot be allowed to destroy the opportunity to extend coverage to 35 million Americans.”

WHY DO YOU AND YOUR FELLOW “JOURNALISTS” REPEATEDLY FAIL TO MENTION MANDATE?  A Mandate is NOT OPPORTUNITY. For Chrissake what are they drinking in DC, Absinthe?

Dionne: “Killing health care reform would be bad for choice, and very bad for the right to life.”

No. Killing THIS VERSION of “health insurance reform” would be the best thing for Consumers, and DC. Because the arrogant “leaders” might be reminded that they work for US not some GD insurance company.

What if…What if in the next election every single incumbent was thrown to the curb and new blood was elected, knowing their fate was truly dependent on their performance-not for some unknown lobbyist, but for the PEOPLE . A random lottery from phone books would produce better legislation than the bunch of crooks that the Suckers, er i mean Citizens keep electing over and over and over again.

What if… I can dream…still. And it’s not taxed yet.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Exactly what does the Democratic Party stand for? I ask because the Stupak amendment aside, this bill is the most craptacular piece of legislation that’s been proffered in a long time.

The Dems are simply attempting to say “we did it”; the compromise to have accomplished the bill is more important than the bill itself. And the bill itself amounts to nothing more than a preemptive bailout of the health insurance industry…or the young subsidizing the old.

Who needs Republicans in office when Democrats will do everything that the Republicans hope to do better?

Or look at it this way: roughly half of the US population was sold out for the sake of two handfuls of elected representatives voting on a shit bill that will (maybe) reduce costs by about 1.5%...except that US health care costs are already 102% higher than they are in the next highest developed nation.

No bill is better than this bill, and the faster the health insurance companies find themselves bankrupted the better, because then we can start talking about actually reforming the system.

Dionne needs to wake the fuck up, like the rest of the non-conservatives, and realize that you cannot do the wrong or inadequete thing in leu of doing nothing at all.

copitulation is worse than nothing.

All of us liberals out here have seen moments like this coming for years. As the repugs moved to the radical right, the gutless dimmos moved to the center, and yes, even to the right on many social and economic issues. Many modern dimmos are more conservative than Nixon. No wonder the rest of the world has no respect for us anymore. We have freely elected the worst kind of brown shirted scum.

It’s a shame that we the people once again need reminded what the real right wing agenda is. The criminalization of abortion is only the first step in the wacko rights’ ultimate plan, and that is the re-subserviance of women in the US. Any dimmocrat that supports any measure restricting abortion is a sell-out and should be treated as such.

Oh, by the way, this healthcare bill is a steaming pile of shit. Any bill that does not begin a massive single payer option is not worth the paper it’s written on. And any dimmo that supports the current bill is a traitorous dog. A traitor to the american people.

Those who cry loudest about how terrible it is to have the government making one’s medical decisions (as if that had any validity) are the first to defend the government’s right to make one’s choices. When will the anti-choice mob begin to recognize themselves for what they are - authoritarian religious zealots.

To describe the proposed health care bill as “reform” is akin to calling the French resistance an insurgency.  The only reform are mechanisms to protect the monopoly of big pharmaceuticals and health deniers (aka insurance).  We can only hope that no bill is passed if this is the best it gets.

Bullshit. The problem is Democrats have not principles. Maybe the bill should also ban inter-racial transfusions and organ transplants to please the racist right . . .? Better to push a real single payer bill through as a moral and national security issue (like the Repugs would)Than to wind up with a watered down, useless, waste of paper that leaves many of us without access to healthcare, omits vital women’s services and any care for non-citizens while handing billions to the insurance industry.
At this point it would be better to admit defeat and do nothing than to pass a hoax and declare a phyrric victory.

Yeah, you stupid liberal abortionists, abortion being de facto illegal for poor women technically isn’t the same as making abortion illegal! So stop trying to kill this already severely compromised Insurer and Pharma giveaway that may or may not actually make things better and could possibly make things much worse!