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By Eugene Robinson

There’s a difference between sensitivity and stupidity. If there were indeed signs that Maj. Nidal Hasan, the alleged Fort Hood mass murderer, was becoming radicalized in his opposition to the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army had a duty to act—before he did.

Gen. George Casey, the Army chief of staff, said Sunday he was concerned that “this increased speculation” about Hasan’s evolving political and religious views “could cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers.” Casey is right to worry about the lunatics and bigots who now will think of all Muslims in the military as potential enemies. But it only feeds such paranoia to ignore alarm bells that an unstable individual, Muslim or not, is about to blow.

According to published reports, Hasan told people of his serious doubts about the U.S. military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hasan, a psychiatrist who had evaluated returning soldiers for stress-related disorders, made no secret of his reluctance to serve in the Afghan theater, where he was to be sent within weeks. According to ABC News, fellow Army doctors told superiors of their concern that Hasan felt divided allegiance—both to the Muslims whom he felt were under attack and the country he had volunteered to serve.

All this should have been enough to prompt an urgent intervention by Army brass, regardless of Hasan’s religion. That it did not is unfair to the thousands of Muslims who have served in the military, and continue to do so, with honor and distinction.

“The system is not doing what it’s supposed to do,” Army doctor Val Finnell told The Associated Press. Finnell, who studied with Hasan, complained to higher-ups about Hasan’s “anti-American” rants and his stated view that the United States was conducting a war against Islam. “He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out.”

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Indeed he should have been. In the Army, there’s a rich tradition of grousing about idiotic higher-ups and their ridiculous orders. But it sounds as if Hasan’s complaints went far beyond the ordinary, especially in the notion that he might be unsure of his own loyalty and duty.

If Hasan’s superior officers had investigated, they might have pieced together the story that seems to be emerging: that Hasan was behaving erratically, that his faith apparently had become increasingly political, that he desperately wanted out of the military and that he was distraught about being ordered to the war zone.

Army officials surely were aware that Muslims in the service have complained of taunts and harassment from their fellow soldiers. For both moral and practical reasons, the Army must eliminate such discrimination. I’ve had issues with the way former President George W. Bush did his job, to say the least, but one good thing he did was emphasize that his “war on terrorism” was not a war against Islam, one of the world’s great faiths. That disclaimer rings hollow if Muslims serving in the armed forces are blamed for the crimes of Islamic terrorists and treated as potential traitors to the American cause.

But fairness is one thing, foolishness is another. Any soldier who seemed to be falling apart—and it seems that Hasan gave a lot of people that impression—should have been given extra scrutiny. In Hasan’s case, a closer look would have revealed his growing religiosity and his feeling that his faith was under assault. 

The fact that Hasan had worshiped at a Virginia mosque whose spiritual leader was a radical named Anwar al-Aulaqi might also have come to light. The Washington Post reported Monday that Aulaqi, who now lives in Yemen, has posted a message on his Web site calling Hasan a “hero” for what he allegedly did at Fort Hood.

Had authorities learned in advance of any link between Hasan and radical Islam—as opposed to the mainstream Islam practiced by more than a billion people worldwide—they could have moved immediately to ensure that Hasan could not hurt others or himself. That wouldn’t have been an act of bigotry; it would have been an act of prudence, even compassion.

How is the Pentagon supposed to tell the difference between reasonable caution and blatant discrimination? There are thousands of Muslims in uniform, serving their country at home and abroad. Ask them.
   
Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.
   
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By Go Right Young Man, November 13, 2009 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

“You are certainly not so blind or uninformed as this statement makes you appear to be..
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I see Manchild has reverted back to telling people how stupid they are for not agreeing or seeing things his way.

Useless!

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By ardee, November 13, 2009 at 4:35 am Link to this comment

I was not aware of any slaughtering of non-combatants by the thousands.  I was aware of miliitary operations against specific enemy targets who are the sworn enemy of the US.  I was aware of an American strategy to engage the enemy as far away from America as possible so as to not have to fight on American soil.  I was aware of mistakes in tactics and strategy which makes America look bad at times. 

You are certainly not so blind or uninformed as this statement makes you appear to be.

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By Go Right Young Man, November 12, 2009 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

DaveZx3,

You are absolutely on target concerning the Muslim Brotherhood. Unfortunately people the world over are not truly listening to U.S. and Western enemies.

If it’s not in the so-called “news” most folks have little time to digest the writings, teachings and edicts of the Brotherhood, Abu Sayyef, Dr. al Zawahiri or the al Qaida recruiter Maj. Hasan was reportedly in contact with.

In the first week of Sept. 2001 a mere tens of thousands of people understood there was a network of individuals and groups calling themselves al Qaida. Most today still have little understanding or context on what al Qaida is. Most, unfortunately, still believe al Qaida is a separate entity from the Muslim Brotherhood and others.

I largely lay blame at the feet of the elite media for this ignorance.

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By Go Right Young Man, November 12, 2009 at 5:50 pm Link to this comment

“But all this indicates is that all the poster seeks to do is justify his rush to judgment and his disrespect for the rule of law.”


I applaud your attempts to argue a position based on merit. Welcome to an adult conversation.

With that said; you’re clearly on record with your belief that any hint of dissent from your point of view is strong evidence of either lying, stupidity, mass murder, rape, unjustified acts of war, torture, cruelty to children and/or numerous other convict-able crimes. You’ve expressed it yourself many times. You also never fail to make clear your allegiances. Those whom you’re willing to defend or convict.

I don’t know why you’re arguing as you are on this particular issue, for this particular individual but, I’m certain it has nothing to do with your sense of fairness, an open mind, or a deep belief and conviction in the constitution.

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You can’t daily be on the attack against all those whom you disagree with while feigning indignant today. It’s an impossible position maintain.

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By DaveZx3, November 12, 2009 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

ardee, November 12 at 8:36 pm

“I would ask what you think of the opinions of those eye witnesses who see American troops slaughtering Muslims by the thousands? Are we jihadists too?”

I was not aware of any slaughtering of non-combatants by the thousands.  I was aware of miliitary operations against specific enemy targets who are the sworn enemy of the US.  I was aware of an American strategy to engage the enemy as far away from America as possible so as to not have to fight on American soil.  I was aware of mistakes in tactics and strategy which makes America look bad at times. 

If any American, military or otherwise, takes residency, permanent or temporary, in any nation of the world, and issues statements such as what follows, and acts on those statements, then those Americans should be hauled into a court of law or military tribunal, found guilty and executed.  It is not acceptable in any way, to want to completely anihilate a people, to destroy their culture and their religion.  If you have any proof of America engaging in this type of activity, I would be deeply ashamed to call myself an American, and I would join any effort to impeach, incarerate and/or execute the offenders. 

America gets involved in stupid dictator prop-ups, civil wars they have no business in, and world peace keeping which turn to violence.  Most of it is out of stupidity, not evil.  And certainly not any intention to anihilate or destroy a whole people or culture.  America may be wrong at times, but the people are not evil.  The following statement is evil:

STATEMENT BY MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD OF THE US:  “The Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood in the US) must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its
miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

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By ardee, November 12, 2009 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

First, if the Ft. Hood shooter were white, Christian, hailed from Texas and, reportedly shouted “Jesus is my savior”, those calling for patience and understanding would have had the man convicted two days following the murders.

Some undoubtedly would. But all this indicates is that all the poster seeks to do is justify his rush to judgment and his disrespect for the rule of law.

The concensus of witnesses is that the man, Hasan shot a pistol directly at US soldiers with the intent to kill, which he did do.  He yelled the term which is yelled many, many times to signal an act of jihad.  This was witnessed by dozens. 


Yup, it certainly was. I still await proof of any link to jihadists prior to convicting this man of anything but being driven to an insane act, for a so far unknown reason.

I would ask what you think of the opinions of those eye witnesses who see American troops slaughtering Muslims by the thousands? Are we jihadists too?

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By DaveZx3, November 12, 2009 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

ardee, November 12 at 8:32 am

“I wish to thank Dave for trying, convicting and perhaps volunteering to execute, this man. He saves us all the costs of an investigation and trial. He also seems to use the Constitution as so much toilet paper, but, I guess, you cant have everything”

Absolutely not.  I do not circumvent the Constitution with my comments.  Look at my earlier comments on the subject.  I witheld, pending information from Fort Hood witnesses. 

The concensus of witnesses is that the man, Hasan shot a pistol directly at US soldiers with the intent to kill, which he did do.  He yelled the term which is yelled many, many times to signal an act of jihad.  This was witnessed by dozens. 

I am not so politically correct that I withold boldly witnessed facts.  I am willing to state what first hand witnesses agree to.  I am also willing to say I am wrong, if they all turn out to be liars. 

Hasan will be tried, and maybe found insane.  I think his actions are insane, as well as others who perform similar acts. 

But based on the statement of the Muslim Brotherhood, which I will attach again, it seems to me Hasan switched sides and committed an act of war/terrorism.  Only my opinion, but I state it for no other reason than to say it is very possible to happen again, as GRYM states in the previous post.

STATEMENT BY MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD OF THE US:  “The Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood in the US) must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its
miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

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By Go Right Young Man, November 12, 2009 at 7:07 am Link to this comment

First, if the Ft. Hood shooter were white, Christian, hailed from Texas and, reportedly shouted “Jesus is my savior”, those calling for patience and understanding would have had the man convicted two days following the murders. Not only that but, Limbaugh, Beck, and all of FOX news would be called to blame for inciting hatred. We know all this because we’ve seen it dozens of times (every good “progressive” knows white Christians are murderous criminals).

In truth, the Fort Hood murders fit into a now familiar pattern of radical Islamic-inspired violence that manifests itself in two principal ways.

First are the formal terrorist plots. Radical Muslims have attempted, in coordinated fashion, to blow up a bridge, explode a train, assault a military base, and topple a high-rise building - in ways al-Qaida terrorist leaders abroad warned us would follow 9/11.

This year alone, three terrorist plots have been foiled.

Najibullah Zazi was indicted for plans to set off a bomb in New York on the anniversary of 9/11.

Daniel Patrick Boyd and Hysen Sherifi were charged with conspiring to murder U.S. military personnel at the Quantico, Va., military base.

Hosam Maher Husein Smadi - a 19-year-old Jordanian in the U.S. illegally - was arrested after being accused of placing what he thought were explosives near a 60-story office tower in Dallas.

In all these cases, the plotter (or plotters) either had ties to terrorists or voiced Islamic-fueled anger at the U.S.

More than 20 other domestic terrorist plots have been stopped by law enforcement agencies since 9/11. On average, in the 98 months since the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks, a radical Islamic-inspired terrorist plot has been uncovered every four months.

There have also been “lone wolf” mass murderers in which angry radical Muslims sought to channel their frustrations and failures into violence against their perceived enemies of Islam.

Since Sept. 11, several Muslim men have run over innocent bystanders or shot random people at or near military bases, synagogues and shopping malls.

After the initial hysteria died down, we were usually told that such acts were isolated incidents, involving personal “issues” rather than radical Islamic hatred of the U.S. Yet a few examples show that was not quite the case.

The just-executed sniper John Allan Muhammad, who, along with an accomplice, killed 10, voiced approval of Osama bin Laden and radical Islamic violence.

Naveed Afzal Haq is currently on trial for going on a murderous rampage at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle building. A survivor said Haq stated his attack was a “personal statement against Jews.”

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar ran over nine students at the University of North Carolina. Officers said he told them afterward he wanted to avenge the deaths of Muslims worldwide.

Omeed Aziz Popal struck 18 pedestrians with his car near a Jewish center in San Francisco. Witnesses say he said, “I am a terrorist,” at the scene.

No doubt in each case, experts could assure us that there were extenuating personal circumstances - stresses and mental illnesses that better explain what happened.

Mere mention that such killers typically voiced radical Islamic or virulently anti-Semitic themes often can earn one charges of Islamaphobia, racism or other illiberal biases. Indeed, I expect dozens of angry, accusatory responses in response to this post.

Nevertheless, the facts since 9/11 reveal an undeniable reality.

Every few months either an Islamic-inspired terrorist plot will be foiled, or a young Muslim male will shoot, run down or stab someone while invoking anger at non-Muslims.

In other words, the attack on Fort Hood happened on schedule. It was the rule, not the exception. And something like it will occur again - soon.

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By RdV, November 12, 2009 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

People wonder why soldiers don’t just disappear over the hill or file for CO status instead of committing suicide?

  The reason they commit suicide is because of the brutality they witnessed and participated in and are forced to continually return to.
See Bill Moyer’s most recent program for the tip of the iceberg.

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By ardee, November 12, 2009 at 4:32 am Link to this comment

That is why I know this was Jihad.  He was a major who counseled soldiers.  He was trained in all the rules, and knew all the angles.  He was not a peace lover distraught about the concept of killing.

He was a killer, he was a jihadist, he was a terrorist, and now he is a murderer under the worst of circumstances.  And he has done a grave disservice to those of his religion.  But he has done a great service to America.  He has awoken the nation to the fact that there are jihadists living next door to us.  And this is what they say:

I wish to thank Dave for trying, convicting and perhaps volunteering to execute, this man. He saves us all the costs of an investigation and trial. He also seems to use the Constitution as so much toilet paper, but, I guess, you cant have everything.

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By DaveZx3, November 11, 2009 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

gerard, November 11 at 8:31 pm #

“According to the New York Times today, the statistics on conscientious objection status are not encouraging”.

It is definitely hard to get once you have accepted a commission, an Army paid education, good pay, and all that knowing what you may have to do.  If you wait, accept all the goodies, and then at the last minute apply for CO status, it will obviously be denied.  If you are really a CO, you should state it up front.  Approval rates are much better when the Army is drafting.  Now it is volunteer, so from the Army’s prospective, why did you join up in the first place if you don’t want to be a soldier?

However, in Hasan’s case, he might have had a good shot at it, since he is a Muslim being asked to fight Muslim’s.  It is conceivable that he did not forsee having to do that when he joined up.

Beyond CO, you can just absolutely not go.  Do not show up.  You just go to jail for a while, depending on the circumstances.  He would have had a light jail sentence, because his reasons would have been not seen as cowardly if he could have stood up under the questioning.  He could have gotten light treatment.

These are my points.  I do not want anyone to believe that soldiers have to agonize about going to war, and end up committing suicide.  Just don’t go.  My generation used to sneak off to Canada to avoid going to Vietnam.  Whatever you have to do.  If you don’t want to go, don’t go.  But don’t commit suicide over it.  And killing 13 others might be seen as the absolute worst way to handle it. 

That is why I know this was Jihad.  He was a major who counseled soldiers.  He was trained in all the rules, and knew all the angles.  He was not a peace lover distraught about the concept of killing.

He was a killer, he was a jihadist, he was a terrorist, and now he is a murderer under the worst of circumstances.  And he has done a grave disservice to those of his religion.  But he has done a great service to America.  He has awoken the nation to the fact that there are jihadists living next door to us.  And this is what they say:

“The Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood in the US) must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its
miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

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By dihey, November 11, 2009 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

Yesterday the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces committed a gigantic blunder by promising punishment (in the now and hereafter)to the suspect of a crime who has not been charged nor has had his day in court yet.

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By gerard, November 11, 2009 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

According to the New York Times today, the statistics on conscientious objection status are not encouraging.  It seems the Army has had only about 50 requests per year since 2001, and has granted approx. 25 and refused 25.  Since suicide rates are rising, that probably indicates that few soldiers know that c.o. status is possible, not only before but also after one has joined up.  The probability is also high that those who do know about it, have been told that it is regarded as “cowardly.” The same article also stated that very few officers request to be released, and for those, release is most likely to be denied, even though the circumstances may be dire.

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By DaveZx3, November 11, 2009 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

SusanSunflower, November 11 at 3:06 pm

“Imagine if the Army had given him the dignity of finding a way for him to be allowed to leave ... Imagine that”

As an army psychiatrist and major, Hasan must have known how to get out of going.  The honorable way would have been to turn himself in as the dangerous man that he was.  He would have been court-martialed, but could have pled conscientious-objector, which he might have had a real good case at.  He might have had some jail time and lost his commission, but a small price to pay if one is seriously that distraught.  As it is, he loses all that plus much, much more. 

I agree that he intended to meet the death of a suicidal jihadist and failed. 

But that is what honorable people would do.

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By SusanSunflower, November 11, 2009 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

This has always “smelled” to me like a botched “suicide by police”—I don’t think Hasan intended to survive.

It was a desperate act by a desperate man who was told there was “no way out.” He emptied his apartment and gave away his possessions—that’s classic pre-suicide behavior.

He may have found solace and support and even inspiration from radical islam ... quite likely if he wanted his life and death to be part of something “greater than myself”

Imagine if the Army had given him the dignity of finding a way for him to be allowed to leave ... Imagine that. 

This is just another Columbine. Desperate people doing angry desperate things. 

“Political correctness” had nothing to do with Hasan going “undetected” ... because he wasn’t ... he was just ignored (ridiculed, harrassed, etc).

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By Go Right Young Man, November 11, 2009 at 7:32 am Link to this comment

On another thread Manchild-ardee actually appears magnanimous. - “People are the same in that they all aspire to the same needs, share many of the same goals and deserve the same treatment, the same justice, the same opportunity. Cultural differences should be celebrated.”

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20091028_taliban_targets_un_workers_in_kabul/

I ask: Is this individual kind to those whom he disagrees with? I have never seen this individual “celebrate” a different point of view. Has anyone here known this fraud to treat others with equal justice?

Check me on this. From my chair I see this individual speaking out of venom, reeking with hatred, and an abundance of vile bigotry.

I’m not the Butt-Munch police but, frauds like this should be exposed everywhere.

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By DaveZx3, November 11, 2009 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

ardee, November 11 at 10:00 am

My point, which you so conveniently missed, is, “What am I to think of the statement below”

“The Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood in the US) must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its
miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

Is this just a few nuts, or is this a large percentage of American Muslim thinking? 

That is the question I asked, which you so conveniently ignored, diverting all your comments America bashing, as usual.

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By ardee, November 11, 2009 at 6:00 am Link to this comment

I ask that seriously, expecting an answer from the Hassan/Muslim apologists.  What am I to think? 

It might help if you actually did think…..1.4 billion followers of Islam in this world and you seem incapable of distinctions. What is one to say?

With American troops on the ground in Iraq, Afghanistan and intruding into Pakistan you seemingly have a problem understanding the anger generated?

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By marta kaye, November 11, 2009 at 5:49 am Link to this comment
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Why do we not hear more about John Russell, the American who massacred his fellow troops at a camp in Iraq 6 months ago? I guess because he has an American name. Suppose he had attended a Baptist church, and Billy Grraham spoke there, would one blame Graham???Or what about the massacre at Fort Hood in 1991??,—OR the fact there are at least 10 suicides a month at Fort Hood?

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By DaveZx3, November 10, 2009 at 11:14 pm Link to this comment

How can I take the Hasan apologizers seriously.  I am ignorant of the various “types” of Muslims.  I never saw our conflicts in Iraq and Afghan to be wars against Muslims.  I am not at war against Muslims. 

If Hasan wanted out of the military, he resigns his commission, refuses to go, at worse he is court-martialed, a little jail time maybe, and that’s that. He would then have been an innocent, honorable man who lived up to his responsibilities and his convictions.  Hundreds of thousands of real people have to do that every day, whatever their convictions are, and I am sure that a significant portion of them are Muslims.  You don’t just go murder people. 

But Muslims better deal with the fact that “The Muslim Brotherhood of the US” published the following statement, 

“The Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood in the US) must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its
miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

This is a statement of war against America.  So, me, not being able to tell one “type” of Muslim from another, what am I to think? 

I ask that seriously, expecting an answer from the Hassan/Muslim apologists.  What am I to think? 

What I would like to think is that Hassan is a lone nut-case.  What the quote leads me to believe is that there is a never ending supply of nut-cases out there, and Hassan is just the first of many of these incidents.  I really would like to have a better feeling about this. 

America may be evil, but there is evil all over the world.  It is not the place of anyone to unilaterally execute those it believes to be more evil than themselves.  Wars were rampant long before America came on the scene.  America is not to blame for everything evil in the world. 

America does have a right to defend itself, and work out its problems under its own sovereignty, including any unjust, unprovoked wars it may be involved in.  I had hoped we were involved in that process now.  Maybe not.

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By KDelphi, November 10, 2009 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

Blackspeare—a lobotomy affects your emotions, not you intellect. But youre right, of course, Obama has done so many positive things in Af-Pak, Israel, all over the Middle East. Its just been great. He deserves another Nobel Peace prize.

ardee..I dont mean that I think you had a lobotomy ; )

But when a vet with PTSD shoots up your neighborhood, Blackspeare, you might wish that they had had one. Youll have to find MDs willing to treat these guys, first. With 2000 vets dying each year from a lack of health care (and gawd only kniows how many from homelessness and exposure)and the Obama military budget with $15 billion going to “military construction” (ie contractors)dont count on it.

Hey, what happened to “deficit neutral spending”? They must have Attention (to the ) Deficit Disorder! Only pay attention to social service spending—spend all you want on wars and Wall St. That Stimulus Bill just gave GOP another thing to bitch about.

But we have to “grow the economy” (wtf does that even mean?) and “create jobs” (the jobs are already there and all those Green jobs nev er seemed to matirialize)..They have chosen Empire with the consent of both parties.

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By Go Right Young Man, November 10, 2009 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment

@CT,

Piqued. Thank you.

Blackspear,

I’m quickly finding that a great many here are, shall we say, disenchanted with Manchild. I find him a most disagreeable, uneducated, and closed minded sort.

Jokingly I wonder aloud if this individual has been sent here by RNC Chairman Steele in order to make “progressives” appear ignorant and bigoted….LOL

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By Blackspeare, November 10, 2009 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man…

“Any serious comments will be appreciated.”

Don’t expect any serious comments on this site.  It’s infested with Neanderthals, nutballs, and nattering nabobs of negativism.  Also, you’ll have to forgive ardee who is suffering complications from a recent lobotomy.

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By @CT, November 10, 2009 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man writes:
“Can anyone explain to me how this known contact between a U.S. Armed Forces Officer and one of the more popular and, reportedly, prolific English speaking al Qaeda recruiters can be benign? Is it alarmist to be extremely peaked when learning of this contact between Dr. Hasan and an extremist Imam?”

Do you mean “piqued”, perhaps? :^)

If the supposed contact was “known”—isn’t the FBI, not to mention Obama, being mighty chatty about this?—what the heck was the rogue doc doing running around loose, with the keys to the narcotics cabinet, sowing Luvox and Seroquel among the mentally distressed?

Such a contact might be “benign” if he were doing what the Army told him to do.

Such a contact might be “benign”—if ultimately unwise—if he were looking to develop information with which to ransom himself from the Army.

Such a contact might be “benign” if he was, as reported in some places, just looking for a wife.

ABC—at least—posted a link (it wouldn’t go past the landing page, and everybody who clicked on it is probably on some new terrorist list) to Mr. Al-Whoosie’s mosque website. What was that about, do you suppose?

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By GoyToy, November 10, 2009 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Robinson uses the pejorative term “Islamic terrorists.” I wish he hadn’t because it implies that such terrorist acts are rooted in Islam. I wonder if it would be equally correct to uses terms such as Christian terrorists, Buddhist terrorists, and so on. I could be wrong, but I’m not aware of any religion—including Islam—that says terrorism is just hunky-dory.

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By Go Right Young Man, November 10, 2009 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

gerard,- “Many tangled webs are being woven by people who, using this complicated situation, hope to prove their point. One thing seems clear:  The continuing wars in the Middle East have created a military and a generally misinformed population with more problems than they know how to handle. It’s high time for a rebirth of wisdom and compassion.”


While we could disagree on ways of achieving your sentiments I loved your post and will gladly co-sign.

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By Go Right Young Man, November 10, 2009 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

I’m curious as to why some here seem to believe that contact between Major Hasan and a reported al Qaeda recruiter could be benign.

On another post I was taken to task by Manchild-ardee for making assumptions about Dr. Hasan and, displaying my own ignorance. Can anyone explain to me how this known contact between a U.S. Armed Forces Officer and one of the more popular and, reportedly, prolific English speaking al Qaeda recruiters can be benign? Is it alarmist to be extremely peaked when learning of this contact between Dr. Hasan and an extremist Imam?

Any serious comments will be appreciated.

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By @CT, November 10, 2009 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi writes:
“It takes real training to kill and wound as many as he did, as quickly as he did.”

The mysteriously-resurrected Dr. Hassan is an em-dee psychiatrist, one of the real doctors who pass out psycho-meds to the IED fodder. The new theory of how Hassan supposedly shot so many, so quickly, seems to be that maybe some of his magic bullets killed two or three people each.

It is shaping up as a very grassy-knollish story ...

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By Folktruther, November 10, 2009 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

Thanks for the help, @CT.  He’s a good truther.

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By ardee, November 10, 2009 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

Blackspeare, November 10 at 2:43 pm #

Major Hasan was suffering from a disease known as Sudden Jihad Syndrome(SJS). It is characterized by a an uncontrollable urge to kill non-Muslims especially if they are Americans.

Not the dumbest post ever recorded here, but certainly in the running.

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By KDelphi, November 10, 2009 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

Was this guy a psychologist or a psychiatrist? A psychiatrist is an MD, whereas, most psychologists are phDs.(of some MS’s) Doesnt matter, I guess, but I have always thought psychiatrists were a bit nuts—maybe both are.

There are approx 14 suicides a month, just at Fort Hood. If you guys think that this is bad, wait until theyve come home, the Tea Baggers take the bumper stickers off of their cars, and, we are totoally bankrupt from the military industrial/Wall St/Medical complex, trying to pay their disability and pensions—it will be hell.

It takes real training to kill and wound as many as he did, as quickly as he did. “Kill, kill, kill” and he did…

2000 vets a month now die from a lack of health care.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/november/uninsured_veterans.php

The war really came home to Texas that day..it is going to come home like hell to every Red State and I dread it…

Another factor not being much discussed here is the (especially recent) tendency of the military to religious (Judeo-Christian) proselytizing, lawsuits filed by the Military Religious Freedom Fountain—it has been relentless
...http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about.html

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By @CT, November 10, 2009 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

Meanwhile, the funeral festivities at Ft. Hood kicked off with “Fairest Lord Jesus”, which must have been reassuring for any non-nominal-Christians in the crowd.

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By @CT, November 10, 2009 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

RdV writes:
“what do you call our ongoing slaughter of Muslims whose numbers we can’t even be bothered to count?”

Er ... Obama Jihad (OJ) Syndrome?

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By RdV, November 10, 2009 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

So, Blacksphere, what do you call our ongoing slaughter of Muslims whose numbers we can’t even be bothered to count?

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By @CT, November 10, 2009 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

Folktruther writes:
“The sucide of soldiers is common in the US military, covered up by the American media. In the Asian Times a article by Deir Somebody details that there are ten sucides a month at Ft. Hood alone.”

Dahr Jamail (website: http://dahrjamailiraq.com/)
in <i>Asia Times<i>:
“Tragically, Fort Hood has also born much of the brunt from its heavy involvement in the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Fort Hood soldiers have accounted for more suicides than any other army post since the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. This year alone, the base is averaging over 10 suicides each month - at least 75 have been recorded through July of this year alone.”
When war comes home
http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KK10Df07.html

Also mighty interesting, by Jamal and Sarah Lazare:
‘Undeployables’ sent to the Afghan front
http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KK10Df08.html

Also interesting in <i>Asia Times<i>, by Nick Turse:
Pentagon starts an Afghan building boom
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KK11Df05.html

Meanwhile, it looks as though recent suicides in and around Killeen and Ft. Hood—each a “horrific outburst of violence” unremarked by Oblabla et al.—have been scrubbed from the local media in Texas. Go figure.

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By tropicgirl, November 10, 2009 at 10:59 am Link to this comment
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Obama is a blue dog warmongerer… He is interested in nothing but his own
political career, has no faith in what is right, is not interested in change, runs
from it…

He kills women, children, fathers, sons, ANONYMOUSLY, with drone bombers,
administered by kids from Idaho or somewhere, who think they are playing
video games…

He is weak, like a dribbly little p i s s stream, spineless, and a totally
discouraged former liberal who thinks he can lie to people and really doesn’t
care if he does…

Because of this, he is dangerous to anyone who hopes for peace…

Its not surprising that his daughter is a C student. Maybe he can teach her to
give a speech somewhere and do a little dance with some big fat expensive
shoes, and call her a smashing success…

He’s sending my family members possibly to their death FOR NO REASON. For
this I will continue to express the total hypocrisy that is the Obama family and
operatives…

Obama will run over the Afghans like America ran over the American Indians, if
given the chance. He does not view them as people, does not appreciate what it
is to be a native culture, and has been totally contaminated by a sick culture of
greed and ignorance…

If Obama was around in the 1800’s he would have turned the other way, or
participated in, the extermination of our native Americans. He is totally hope-
LESS as a human being. He has a big fat stupid mouth that operates on auto-
pilot with outdated fake quasi-liberal views, while perpetuating the theft of
American tax dollars and the protection of those who steal money and jobs
from the American family…

Why does Obama hate America so much?..

I will criticize HOPEYCHANGE any which way I can and not wait for my family
members to be killed to protect American corporations destruction of cultures
all over the world. The time to expose this JOKER is now. ITs only going to get
sicker and deader…

Why does Obama hate native peoples so much?..

Why does Obama hate the America people so much? That cold, fake fish…

He is ready to order a death march through Afghanstan…

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By Blackspeare, November 10, 2009 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

Major Hasan was suffering from a disease known as Sudden Jihad Syndrome(SJS). It is characterized by a an uncontrollable urge to kill non-Muslims especially if they are Americans.

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By tropicgirl, November 10, 2009 at 10:08 am Link to this comment
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Scrutiny? SCRUTINY????

This WAR is what needs scrutiny. When are you people going to get it? Can
ANYONE explain why we are killing our precious kids over this?

This was TOTALLY PREDICTABLE. Most American servicepeople respond to this
insane war with suicide. This is a bit of a twist but totally understandable. We
have SCADS of info from Vietnam to prove it.

Obama is a blue dog warmongerer… He is interested in nothing but his own
political career, has no faith in what is right, is not interested in change, runs
from it…

He kills women, children, fathers, sons, ANONYMOUSLY, with drone bombers,
administered by kids from Idaho or somewhere, who think they are playing
video games…

He is weak, like a dribbly little p i s s stream, spineless, and a totally
discouraged former liberal who thinks he can lie to people and really doesn’t
care if he does…

Because of this, he is dangerous to anyone who hopes for peace…

Its not surprising that his daughter is a C student, given the parents
preoccupation with the shallow. Maybe he can teach her to give a speech
somewhere and do a little dance with some big fat expensive shoes, and call
her a smashing success…

He’s sending my family members possibly to their death FOR NO REASON. For
this I will continue to express the total hypocrisy that is the Obama family and
operatives…

Obama will run over the Afghans like America ran over the American Indians, if
given the chance. He does not view them as people, does not appreciate what it
is to be a native culture, and has been totally contaminated by a sick culture of
greed and ignorance…

If Obama was around in the 1800’s he would have turned the other way, or
participated in, the extermination of our native Americans. He is totally hope-
LESS as a human being. He has a big fat stupid mouth that operates on auto-
pilot with outdated fake quasi-liberal views, while perpetuating the theft of
American tax dollars and the protection of those who steal money and jobs
from the American family…

Why does Obama hate America so much?..

I will criticize HOPEYCHANGE and the Hopeychange family of hypocrisy any
which way I can and not wait for my family members to be killed in order to
protect American corporations’ destruction of cultures all over the world. The
time to expose this JOKER is now. ITs only going to get sicker and deader…

Why does Obama hate native peoples so much?..

Why does Obama hate the America people so much? That cold, fake fish…

He is ready to order a death march through Afghanstan…

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By gerard, November 10, 2009 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

Many tangled webs are being woven by people who, using this complicated situation, hope to prove their point. One thing seems clear:  The continuing wars in the Middle East have created a military and a generally misinformed population with more problems than they know how to handle. It’s high time for a rebirth of wisdom and compassion.

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By Folktruther, November 10, 2009 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

Progs are reluctant to accept the obvious truth in this case.  That the War against Terrorism is primarily a war against Muslims, initated by Bush and continued by Obama to steal their oil and other resources.  And the most intelligent, courageous and committement Muslims around the world know it.

Consequently the mass killing by the American officer Hasan was an act of war.  directed at the US military rather than the Muslim militaries.  American prog truthers, (Amprogs), are reluctant to accept the simple reality-based truth that the function of a military is to kill people, ot terrify them by the threat of death so they submit.  Since Muslims generally do not have the sophisticated killing weapons of the US, they sacrifice their livess to inflict death on their enemies.

It appears that Hasan killed and wounded so many people precisely because he was a Muslim, since the US military is the enemy of Muslums.  It is the function of truth pinps like Robinson to obscure and sanitize this obvious truth, partially because it makes African-Amerians less of a target, the American guns typically being pointed at them throughout history.  US racism now takes the primary form of anti-Muslim bigotry, and Hasan, it appears,  was willing to give his life to fight it, being forced by the military to choose fighting Muslims or fighting Americans.

The sucide of soldiers is common in the US military, covered up by the American media. In the Asian Times a article by Deir Somebody details that there are ten sucides a month at Ft. Hood alone.  Since the function of the military is to kill, the army can live with this shocking stat.  Indeed, all armies prefer deaths to the wounded because they do not require the expense and treatment of other military personell, diverting them from killing the Enemy.

But all this is DIRTY truth,  as Micheal Parrenti calls it, and conflicts with the nice clean sanitized truth of truth pimps like Robinson and the other truth pimps of truthdig.  And Amprogs have difficulty accepting it emotionally because it tends to imply that the US is a violent and barbaric power system.  Which it is, as the whole world is acknowledging.  But until the Amprogs acknowledge it, as some Amcons do, we will continue to have the Patriotic bullshit emitted by truth pimps like Robinson. And the killing will continue.

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By @CT, November 10, 2009 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

C.Curtis.Dillon writes:
“All indications are this man was a ticking time bomb and should never have been selected for a tour of duty in the Middle East.”

It would be a real service to writing if people—including this poster and Eugene Robinson and the media in general—would cool the references to “ticking time bombs”.

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By @CT, November 10, 2009 at 9:12 am Link to this comment

The ever-more-tiresome Eugene Robinson writes:
“How is the Pentagon supposed to tell the difference between reasonable caution and blatant discrimination? There are thousands of Muslims in uniform, serving their country at home and abroad. Ask them.”

Huh?

The military and the FBI knew who Hasan was. Did their NOT doing anything about it mean, perhaps, that Hasan was contacting Al Qaeda as some kind of er agent FOR the military? (Whatever the real story may be, he’s toast now, as certainly as Pat Tillman was, grist for the media mill.)

Why couldn’t Hasan buy his way out of the “voluntary” military? Are people supposed to assume his language skills were that indispensable?

Will the Hasan story be the wedge by which the door on a military draft is opened, to supply the hahaha “Democrats”’ Crusade-in-Everywhere? In case this is what’s up, young folks might want to position themselves as undraftable by converting to Islam.

Did the authorities soft-pedal the “Muslim” matter because lots of people are dubious of Obama’s Muslim past and parentage? (And is that maybe why one poster here is denouncing Hasan as a “Palestinian”?)

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By RdV, November 10, 2009 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

Despite where he was born, this maniac describes himself as a “Zionist.” Unfortunately, too many in this country are afraid to condemn those Zionists who advocate terorism. This guy was a fan of the terrorist Israeli fringe. Forget religion and race. The problem is excusing secret nuclear arsenels and US tax-funded militaries and people who shoot state-of-the-art sophisticated weapons at civilians.

“Forget religion and race”, huh?

My guess would be, based on the trouble I have had accessing this and especially Huff Post which is dripping with rabid anti-Islam sentiment, that the Zionists have pulled out their “megaphone” again to shape and reinforce US perceptions.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article693911.ece

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By fwdpost, November 10, 2009 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

Despite where he was born, this maniac describes himself as a “Palestinian.” Unfortunately, too many in this country are afraid to condemn those Palestinians who advocate terorism. This guy was a fan of the terrorist Palestinian fringe. Forget religion and race. The problem is excusing suicide bombers and people who shoot rockets at civilians.

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By Hulk2008, November 10, 2009 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

Regardless of race, creed, color, or religious leanings or being an affirmed atheist, ANY person who speaks up with oddball, violent comments should at least be examined within the context of the employer’s best interests.  How does such a guy not only get bad Officer Efficiency Reports but actually gets promoted multiple times ?  The military officer progression of rank: a. OTS candidate b. 2nd Lieutenant c. Lieutenant d. Captain e. Major.  Lots of opportunities to dump a bad apple.
    Does this imply just a “good-old-boy” promotion approach ?  I have a very hard time believing the Army was that afraid of discrimination suits.  And I can assure you that the enlisted troops obviously get more thorough vetting than this.   
  Can we presume that similar ignorance has been applied to those now in the ranks of Generals ?  By extrapolation, what glaring flaws have been allowed to reach into those in authority ? 
  Taking it to its logical conclusion, should the US populace be exposed to the potential ravings of generals who want to make war on every country other than our own?  Should the Pres reject their possibly insane advice to inject thousands of troops here or there? 
  Maybe there’s a General Jack D. Ripper ala Dr. Strangelove looming someplace.

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By Howie Bledsoe, November 10, 2009 at 6:10 am Link to this comment
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This article is propaganda and crap, and if the guy had been a white christian kid, the spin would have been, “Aw, the poor guy, the pressure was too much, his mom didnt love him, blah, blah, blah.”
The fact that he was being sent off to kill his own, with a bunch of rednecks that taunted him for being arab, I can hardly blame him.

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By ardee, November 10, 2009 at 5:41 am Link to this comment

RdV, November 10 at 9:32 am

I find myself mostly in agreement with your post. I am rather puzzled, as you appear to be as well, by the authors seeming willingness to buy into a slanted and ,as yet, unproven assumption about the reasons for this violence.

As Mr. Robinson is, himself, a black man, I think his response to the slaughter of blacks to which you make anecdotal refeence, would be rather more opposed…..

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By RdV, November 10, 2009 at 5:32 am Link to this comment

Sounds like standard psych-ops fare to gin up support for a unenthusiastic public encumbered with massive problems at home—and at a time when the Obama administration needs some groundswell of support to escalate the latest round of barbarism against Muslims.

  But that Robinson felt that it was legitimate to print this is a legitimate cause for concern is shameful:

  “According to published reports, Hasan told people of his serious doubts about the U.S. military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hasan, a psychiatrist who had evaluated returning soldiers for stress-related disorders, made no secret of his reluctance to serve in the Afghan theater, where he was to be sent within weeks. According to ABC News, fellow Army doctors told superiors of their concern that Hasan felt divided allegiance—both to the Muslims whom he felt were under attack and the country he had volunteered to serve.
All this should have been enough to prompt an urgent intervention by Army brass, regardless of Hasan’s religion. That it did not is unfair to the thousands of Muslims who have served in the military, and continue to do so, with honor and distinction.”

  Jesus Christ, Robinson…Let me explain it custom made for you—-Suppose, as a Black man, you were privy to an unrelenting onslaught of the true brutality of war (Anyone happen to catch Bill Moyers this past week for just a small taste of it?)targeting other Black people for NO REASON WHATSOEVER?

  ‘“Finnell, who studied with Hasan, complained to higher-ups about Hasan’s “anti-American” rants and his stated view that the United States was conducting a war against Islam. “He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out.”’

  Actually, he desperately wanted out and in addition was being harassed. How would it be for you Robinson, if we were slaughter black people for no reason at all and you were being taunted and called “un-American” for questioning it?

  Are you suggesting that any soldier who questions the committing of genocide having insider knowledge of as “Un-American” and would you, by extention, consider any American, Muslim or not, who questions the legitimacy of our slaughter, “un-American” and cause for investigation?
  As for your pathetic argument about soldiers “falling apart”—who the hell do you think the soldiers consulting with psychiatrists are? You know, the ones sent back time and time again despite the fact that they are basket cases. Why do you think the suicide rate is so high?

  Like I suspected, little more than a propaganda mouthpiece.

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, November 10, 2009 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

All indications are this man was a ticking time bomb and should never have been selected for a tour of duty in the Middle East.  I know it sounds bigoted, but every Muslim soldier should be asked if he has any objections or religious issues with this deployment.  If he does, that the military has an obligation to him/her and the service to avoid creating a conflict.  It is the stupidity of the military bureaucracy which ultimately created this situation.  Totally insensitive to the potential this guy possessed for lashing out and killing (which he ultimately did).  He will be punished, I’m sure, but the higher ups who decided to send him will suffer no reprimand for their blunder.

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By johannes, November 10, 2009 at 5:07 am Link to this comment

Know your enemy.
Don’t uderestimate your enemy.

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By ardee, November 10, 2009 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

A man beset with the stress of a deployment he hated and feared. An opportunity for haters to cease upon the moment to express their bigotry.

Poor man, poor culture.

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By Alicia Mergo, November 10, 2009 at 1:01 am Link to this comment
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Yes, the system is not perfect but in a world where you live with no safety some things like that just happen. Imagine falling asleep and waking up every day with the same feeling and knowledge that you can die today, end in a sandy hole in the ground, far from home and family? I could not stand it.

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