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Posted on Nov 5, 2009

By Joe Conason

When Newt Gingrich warned Republicans that they were making a grave “mistake” by driving out moderates and enforcing the angry orthodoxy of the far right, the sober tone of his remarks was stunning.

This is a politician who is no stranger himself to the wilder shores of extremism, a populist and a purist who rose to great power against the GOP establishment, and a demagogue whose lexicon lacerated the “Democrat Party” as decadent, elitist, unpatriotic and immoral.

In his day, Gingrich channeled the same phobias and fury as the “tea party” activists whose growing influence in Republican ranks seems to have shaken him so badly. Why is Newt scared now?

Despite his habitual ranting against the Eastern elites, the former House speaker is a professional historian and an intellectual with wide-ranging interests—making him a figure of potential suspicion to radio talkers without much formal education and the raving mobs that follow them.

Much as he exploited the prejudices of the religious right and fantasies of the conspiracy crowd, Gingrich has always affected a more sophisticated and urbane attitude. He may be troubled to realize that he suddenly ranks far lower than Sarah Palin, who can barely muster a coherent political thought, or Glenn Beck, who enthralls his audience with weird, weepy rants.

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Leaving aside any lingering presidential ambitions, Gingrich understandably feels that brand of leadership will have a very limited appeal for most Americans—and that the more voters see of it, the less they will like it.

Is it fair to stigmatize the tea-baggers and their leaders as a movement of the fringe? In New York’s 23rd Congressional District, Douglas Hoffman, the right-wing carpetbagger who drove out moderate local Republican Dede Scozzafava, apprenticed himself to Beck, obsequiously flattering the Fox News host as his “mentor.”

Hoffman signed a pledge to uphold the “912 principles and values” endorsed by Beck—a juvenile tract that demands honesty, thrift, humility and charity even as it complains that government forces citizens to “share” when they don’t want to. (As far as Beck is concerned, all Democrats are “Marxist” and almost all Republicans are “Marxist lite.”)

No doubt Hoffman is eagerly studying the collected writings of the late Cleon Skousen, the Beck-endorsed prophet whose speeches used to stir up meetings of the John Birch Society, mostly against Republicans of the Rockefeller and Kissinger variety. Hoffman has plenty of time for reading now, after losing the special election to Democrat Bill Owens.

If the revival of Birchite mania troubles Gingrich, then the Palin phenomenon, now breaking loose with the publication of her memoir, must be equally disturbing. The former Alaska governor has a long, Beck-like history of affiliation with bizarre causes and characters, including an Alaskan secessionist party and a Kenyan witch-hunting evangelist who conducted an exorcism rite in her Wasilla church. She will ignore or minimize those episodes in “Going Rogue,” but putting extra lipstick on this pit bull may not help.

Most Americans don’t know much yet about the idiosyncratic ideology of the tea party crowd, beyond their conviction that President Obama was born in Kenya (and that his birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers is therefore part of a plot that dates back to the Kennedy era). But what they have seen so far, they don’t seem to like: The more that Beck, Palin and kindred spirits appear to represent the Republican brand, the less appeal that brand possesses.

From the perspective of Gingrich and other veteran Republicans, there is deep irony in these untoward developments. Many of the tea party types actually hate Republican politicians, unless, like Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater, they are already dead. They hate Democrats, too, of course—and lots of other people—but their invective against Republicans is suffused with special outrage.

If they have their way, every Republican who doesn’t adhere to the Beck canon will be driven out at the end of a pitchfork, just like poor Dede Scozzafava.

Fifteen years ago, when Newt rode to power on the resentments of the religious right, the gun lobby and the economic royalists, he celebrated their extremism as the political style of “normal Americans.” Today when he hears the violent rhetoric, the hateful threats and the fanatical intolerance, he knows they are talking about him, too.

Joe Conason writes for The New York Observer.

© 2009 Creators.com


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By Shenonymous, November 8, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

M a y b e e e e   christian96 that ghost bojan1 is really another incarnation
of you!  and that is why you are so interested in its disappearance.  Using that
alias so you can curse and swear and use filthy language, lots of in the closet
cursers do that so that their Xian character can act virtuous.  Bull crap!  Faker!

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By Shenonymous, November 8, 2009 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

What! christian96!  you don’t believe bojan1’s brain has shrunken
away?  Well please produce even one particle of him!  Are you sure he even
existed?  Why, we squinty-eyed ignoramouses wonder why you are sooooo
concerned anyway since you haven’t articulated that.  Hmmmm, you don’t
believe Truthdig can wipe you out do you?  There are quite a few who have
disappeared from these electronic halls.  You are too green a poster here to
remember.  Too bad, I suggest you contact the Truthdig webmaster.  He is
actually very nice.  See the very bottom of every forum where you submit your
comments to see how to contact Truthdig.  Interesting you could not figure
that one out.  Is your brain shrinking too?  Also have your eyesight checked, I
think your third eye has been blinded by your hubris.  You didn’t know hubris
could do that?  You probably didn’t even know you had a third eye!  Now
Leefeller would know where it resides, not in your forehead, but up
Uranus.  Yikes!  Now who is the ignorant one?  Do you have a mirror?

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By Leefeller, November 8, 2009 at 7:24 am Link to this comment

Sounds like C96 misses Bojan1, guess he could have been another Christian, seemingly very full of piles?

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By ardee, November 8, 2009 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

christian96, November 8 at 6:34 am #

Ardee—-Despite your ignorant comments you still
didn’t answer my question.  How did your comments
FOLLOW my post?  Why didn’t they precede my post?

Why, christian, I am surprised at you. Can you not recognize a miracle when you see one?

How the fuck should I know?

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By christian96, November 8, 2009 at 2:34 am Link to this comment

Ardee—-Despite your ignorant comments you still
didn’t answer my question.  How did your comments
FOLLOW my post?  Why didn’t they precede my post?

Despite more ignorance from Shenonymous no one
has explained what happened to Bojan1’s comments.
I can’t buy “they were removed by Truthdig answer.”
I’ve read many more comments much worse that those
made by Bojan1 and they weren’t removed.

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By ardee, November 7, 2009 at 6:46 am Link to this comment

christian96, November 5 at 11:19 am #

By christian96, November 5 at 11:01 am #


Ardee—-What you have done is called in Freudian
Psychology a defense mechanism know as “projection.”
You have projected unto me you ignorance and bigotry.

I am amazed, frankly, flabbergasted even , not only that this post is a pile of reeking falsehoods and middle age superstitious nonsense about our gay brothers and sisters, but that the author dares to call another bigoted and ignorant.

I believe we can now retire the trophy for the single most stupid post in the history of this forum. Congratulation , Mr. Christian, you will receive your trophy in the mail.

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By ardee, November 7, 2009 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

I had a lawyer friend in Washington tell me to
keep away from Truthdig.  Perhaps, I should follow his suggestion.

By all means do.

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By Shenonymous, November 7, 2009 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

It is my theory that bojan1’s brain was on a shrinking path towards
complete dematerialization.  I may be right or wrong.

Even though they are exceedingly tolerant of much uncouth language, Truthdig
has a right (it says so in the fine print of its comment policy if anyone ever
bothered to read it!) to remove anything they find offensive and will deny
particular participants who have shown their posts to be seditious or slanderous
from the forums.  Truthdig is a private news magazine and can make its own
rules.  The public-at-large is not forced to participate.

Occasionally lawyers give good advice.

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By christian96, November 7, 2009 at 1:52 am Link to this comment

Jaded Prole and Ardee made comments about my post
but their comments came BELOW my post.  Shouldn’t
their comments have come ABOVE my post?  Something
strange occurring here that I don’t understand
YET! I had a lawyer friend in Washington tell me to
keep away from Truthdig.  Perhaps, I should follow
his suggestion.

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By Leefeller, November 7, 2009 at 1:52 am Link to this comment

BOJAN1’S was abducted by a UFO, the aliens wanted to know
how bojani could be so smart and why he had a telephone
next to his head, where they usually preform their now
legionary anal probes!

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By christian96, November 7, 2009 at 12:55 am Link to this comment

I just read through all of the comments several
times and could not locate the comments by
“Bojan1.”  WHAT HAPPENED TO BOJAN1’S COMMENTS?
Anyone have any ideas?

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By Shenonymous, November 6, 2009 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

I read in the 1980’s that it was believe AIDS began in Africa when humans had
sexual conduct with ?monkeys.  If I am wrong then enlighten me.  Where?did AIDS
originate?

Wrong…
It was from eating HIV virus infected monkeys, not from having sex with them. 
Good grief how stupid rumors get started and perpetrated.

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By surfnow, November 6, 2009 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment
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Leefeller,
Yeah. It was the story of a mentally retarded man- Chauncey Gardener ( played by Peter Sellers) who through a weird set of coincidences gets placed as the family gardener in the home of a super-rich kingmaker- from there he is a guest star on late night TV shows where he makes insipid comments about gardening which the American public- through pundits- take as insightful political commentary. It came from an amazing ‘70s novel from Jerszy Kosinski- funny and scary. Kosinski nails it- that the media can spin anything and the American public will swallow -hook ,line and sinker

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By Leefeller, November 6, 2009 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

surfnow,

Maybe Joe the plumber can be vice president, I remember the movie “Being There” was that starring Peter Sellers?

Hopefully Sarah Palin is not the average American.

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By Virginia777, November 6, 2009 at 9:40 am Link to this comment

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn’t. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn’t be. And what it wouldn’t be, it would. You see?
— The Mad Hatter” (aka Newt Gingrich, in a speech delivered to his tea party guests)

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By christian96, November 6, 2009 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

bojan1—-The rest of us also wish you were smart.

Nighthawk and Ardee—-Thanks for your explanations.

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By Leefeller, November 6, 2009 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

New improved? Don Rickles has come out of retirement!

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By Leefeller, November 6, 2009 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

Politics seems a game of games, partisan is one small part of the game. Politicians equirements and qualities, as opportunists seem important,  being full of ones self is a great place to start.

For some reason I do not see Conason’s article as praising Newt, the article seems more to be a telling of where Newt may be, in the political scheme of things.

My personal feelings about Newt as alleged person, scholar and politician may emulate most others here, but serve no purpose.

In some other articles on TD, some posters mention the changing landscape of TD seemingly moving to the middle, this article may part of what some see as this changing?

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By surfnow, November 6, 2009 at 8:02 am Link to this comment
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Mr.Conason’s lack of perception is astonishing. He shows as much lack of insight into the political pulse, as the average American voter, who is continually duped by the corporate media, does of reality. Sarah Palin is not only not going away, I predict that she will be the next president. Her screeching lack of any ability or intelligence will be an asset when it is spun by the mainstream media. Watch ” Being There” or better yet read the novel, if you don’t believe me.

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By Trailing Begonia, November 6, 2009 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

Gingrich is what he is:  a good for nothing, racist, cheating, corrupt Southern turd. 

I actually can’t believe that Truthdig has wasted space praising that piece of shit.

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By ardee, November 6, 2009 at 6:01 am Link to this comment

I read in the 1980’s that it was believe AIDS began in Africa when humans had sexual conduct with
monkeys.  If I am wrong then enlighten me.  Where
did AIDS originate?

wiki
One might think that, prior to posting a defamation of about 10% of the population,a religious guy might ensure himself of his facts…But , typical of those who wrap themselves in religion in order to hate, he doesnt.


HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, originated in non-human primates in sub-Saharan Africa and was transferred to humans during the late 19th or early 20th century.

[edit] Where
Because most groups of HIV-1 are most closely related to a strain of the simian immunodeficiency virus that infects the chimpanzee subspecies Pan troglodytes troglodytes (SIVcpz), scientists generally accept[3][4] that the virus originated in populations of wild chimpanzees in West-Central Africa.[5] Exactly where this occurred—in the southeastern rain forests of Cameroon (modern East Province) near the Sanaga River, or further south near Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of the Congo—has been a matter of scientific discussion


[edit] When
Using HIV-1 sequences preserved in human biological samples along with estimates of viral mutation rates, scientists calculate that the jump from chimpanzee to human probably happened during the late 19th or early 20th century, a time of rapid urbanisation and colonisation in equatorial Africa. Exactly when the zoonosis occurred is not known. Some estimates suggest that HIV-1 (group M) entered the human population in the early 20th century, probably between 1915 and 1941.[8][9] A study published in 2008, analyzing viral sequences recovered from a recently-discovered 1960 biopsy along with previously-known sequences, suggested a common ancestor between 1884 and 1924.[2][10]

Genetic recombination had earlier been thought to “seriously confound” such phylogenetic analysis, but later “work has suggested that recombination is not likely to systematically bias [results]”, although recombination is “expected to increase variance”.[2] The results of phlyogenetics study supported the later work and indicated that HIV evolves “fairly reliably”.[2][11]

[edit] How
According to the ‘Hunter Theory’, the “simplest and most plausible explanation for the cross-species transmission”,[3] the virus was transmitted from a chimpanzee to a human when a bushmeat hunter was bitten or cut while hunting or butchering an animal. The resulting exposure of the hunter to blood or other bodily fluids of the chimpanzee could have resulted in infection.[12]

[edit] Method of spread
Zoonosis (transfer of a pathogen from non-human animals to humans) and subsequent spread of the pathogen between humans, requires the following conditions:

a human population;
a nearby population of a host animal;
an infectious pathogen in the host animal that can spread from animal to human;
interaction between the species to transmit enough of the pathogen to humans to establish a human foothold, which could have taken millions of individual exposures;
ability of the pathogen to spread from human to human (perhaps acquired by mutation);
some method allowing the pathogen to disperse widely, preventing the infection from “burning out” by either killing off its human hosts or provoking immunity in a local population of humans.
Conditions that facilitated the establishment and spread of infection in human populations may have included the reuse of needles for injectable antibiotics, antimalarial drugs and vaccines;[13] an increase in bushmeat hunting and immune suppression as a result of the harsh conditions, forced labor and displacement associated with colonialism, particularly in French Equatorial Africa;[14] rapid urbanisation that brought infected people into close contact with others; and colonial commerce that provided opportunities for further geographical spread.[10]

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By ardee, November 6, 2009 at 5:51 am Link to this comment

Nighthawk obfuscates:

In the early (pre-epidemic) days of AIDS, 99% of the people who became infected with the disease were homosexual males.

That the lifestyles of the particular homosexual communities made them most vulnerable to the AIDS virus and led to so many becoming infected does not , in any way, mean that AIDS is a HOMOSEXUAL disease. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you as phobic ar our favorite religionist?

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By Shenonymous, November 6, 2009 at 1:17 am Link to this comment

Bible Babblers have a psychoneurotic malaise that they are helpless to illustrate
every time they unzip their lunatic mind.  They remind one of the wandering
imbeciles in history whose shoeless thinking had them thanking some deity for
the thorn that was festering in their foot.  It is a form of self-imposed delirium
and need watched since violence resides in their bones and in their hysteria
often do physical damage to others. 

The elections in Virginia and New Jersey were gubernatorial elections.  Exit
polls showed support for Obama remained steady despite the Republican
victories.  In Virginia 25% of voters said their vote for McDonnell was in direct
opposition to Obama, meaning 75% was not.  In New Jersey about 50% said he
was not a factor.  Even some of those who did not support Obama last year said
they feel like he’s doing the best he can considering the circumstances under
which he’s serving.

The election for governor was not inspiring in either state and did not activate
the voters.  The media was more excited than the voters.  Governors are always
elected only because they are perceived to do something positive for the state. 
What is happening in Washington has less effect than imagined.  Voters for
state elections are single-mindedly focused on prospects for the state.  The
Congressional election in New York was infinitely more important to
Washington.

It is perversely contradictory to bible babble and at the same time advocate
violence.  It is symptomatic of the kind of retardation that comes from flawed
interpretation of the bible.  It is actually a heresy to misrepresent the bible, that
is, it is a sin.

Thank you Hulk2008 for reminding us of Gingrich’s blatant warhead
attacks on any and all liberal causes.  He is the perennial snake hiding in the
grass waiting for his best political opportunity to show his fangs.

JimM wisely prompts us to remember the hypocrisy such as his sister’s of
those who will take with one hand the benefits of social programs and with the
other raise a rally cry against those who made them possible!

Why bojan1 we are the best libs and dirty hippie whores we can be!  We
excel at it!  We are not pikers like the ancestors who gave you the small brain
you show the world.  The rational don’t wait for any god to help the miserable
condition that exists in the world, they do something about it.  All you do is sit
at your computer and imagine reality.  You have fallen over the edge of
psychosis resorting to excretory language with your obviously naturally foul
mouth to try to throw mud but you have only succeeded in showing the
demented comicbook character you are.  You undoubtedly ate your diaper crap
you played with as an infant.

By the way, Ron Paul has elapsed.  He was rejected before and will be rejected
again.  He only attracts fanatics of a certain stripe (ones that have a white one
down their back and a smelly aroma). 

Freddy Kruger is your worst nightmare…gee, I thought everybody conscious
knew that!

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By Outraged, November 5, 2009 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

Re: Lefeller

Your comment: “Why do I have a vision of Freddy Kruger doing a stand up routine?”

Of course, this would depend upon who you ask, now the psuedoscientists of psychiatry would give you one answer, a political scientist another, while a neuro-scientist yet another.  You could enamor a spiritual leader, then again you could ask your mother.  I could go on.  Either way, who’s “Freddy Kruger” and what are you talking about?

About those visions….. for the most part… well, you might not want to live or die by ‘em…. if you know what I mean.

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By Leefeller, November 5, 2009 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment

Why do I have a vision of Freddy Kruger doing a stand up routine?

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By Outraged, November 5, 2009 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

Re: bojan1

Like I said, Yeah… sure, uh-huh… we believe ya’.  Thanks for that “European analysis”.  Really… it’s been enlightening.  Do ya’ watch, faux news much…..?  Sure….uh-huh, yes…. certainly… I see.  You betcha.-

Aside from that, I’d love to be in my Mom’s basement….. who wouldn’t!

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By Outraged, November 5, 2009 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment

Whoops!  It’s appears we have another quasi-European/American/Rightwing/Libertarian/Pro-Corruption/Anti Healthcare…..etc.(damn, the list has increased)

Not another one!

Seems bojan1 is a tad bit more BOGUS, than he/she is bojan (whatever that means).

Yeah… sure, uh-huh… we believe ya’.  Thanks for that “European analysis”.  Really… it’s been enlightening.  Do ya’ watch, faux news much…..?  Sure….uh-huh, yes…. certainly… I see.  You betcha.-

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By Long life China, November 5, 2009 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment
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Congratulations ya’ll are doing the job of the terrorist you so much fear…. ya’ll destroy yourself

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By Outraged, November 5, 2009 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

Re: tropicgirl

Your comment: “And, if you didn’t already know… An independent IS BY NO MEANS CENTRIST.
You have totally misunderstood the independent movement if you think this.”

Please…., at least when attempting to make blanket statements, be cognizant that a MAJORITY of the folks you include…, would agree with you.

I doubt that your perceived interpretation would be the case.  It is MORE LIKELY that many independents decided to have a “wait and see” attitude.  Additionally, Ralph Nader at one point ran on the Green Ticket, but later AS AN INDEPENDENT because he disagreed with holding to a SPECIFIC IDEOLOGY.  Ralph Nader is for justice, he is anti-corruption but he is NOT against business entities.  He is against CORRUPTION, business and government.  Nader ran as an independent FOR THIS REASON.

Your interpretation of “independents” is simply YOUR OWN….. COUNT ME OUT!  I voted for Nader, but you are a BSer’.  Speak for yourself, not for me nor for anyone else.  That’s what being an independent MEANS.

Nader’s father was a small businessman, NOT AN IDEOLOGUE….. this is the stuff Ralph Nader is made of, not your erroneous blatherings regarding what YOU CLAIM independents are.  Independents are much more likely to be centrist, than NOT!

Your liberatarianism is showing, put it back in the towel and PLEASE…..in the future, speak for yourself or can it.

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By Nighthawk, November 5, 2009 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

By ardee, November 5 at 7:49 am #
“AIDS is NOT a homosexual related disease. That is a crock of crap one hears from bigots and the unwashed.”

False.  Not surprising.

In the early (pre-epidemic) days of AIDS, 99% of the people who became infected with the disease were homosexual males. 

The CDC, in a radical shift from policy, decided to NOT quarantine the infected population.  This was done for politically correct reasons.

As a result of this the disease flowed over into other segments of the population.

Now we have a pandemic that still affects homosexual males in disproportionate numbers (at least in the US). 

In other countries it is somewhat less of a homosexuality related disease.  For example in Africa, where one of the traditional ways to be cured of a terminal illness is to impregnate a virgin.

Well, folks in Africa are a bit wacky anyway.  What with all of the kids being named after G.W. Bush, out of respect for his efforts to save lives, stop the slave trade, educate and feed people, and otherwise create peace.

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By Virginia777, November 5, 2009 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

I like Newt scared.

I hope he gets really, really scared. He is the freaking “Mad Hatter” of this party,

he ushered them in, set up the tea-table and unloaded the crumpets.

I like that the madness at his own table is disturbing him.

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By christian96, November 5, 2009 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

Night Gaunt—-Your ideas for printing seem good but
my problem is that I am relatively new to computers
and don’t understand what you are talking about. I’m
going to call my computer company and see if they
can explain to me how to print certain comments
following an article without printing all the
comments.  The only way I understand is to copy and
paste the comments to another article with few
comments following it and then print the entire
article.  It seems logical that there is a better
way.  I just don’t know it.

Ardee—-Your comments are so irrational they don’t
deserve a reply.  What is homophobic?  Since “phobic”
means fear I guess you are trying to say I am fearful
of homosexuality.  That’s absurb for which there
exists no rational explanation. I am not sure where
AIDS originated but I do know it is mostly prevalent
among the homosexual community. You read what David
said.  80% of his loved ones died of AIDS and they
were homosexuals.  While in the Cleveland Clinic
in Ohio with heart problems I was watching the
Cleveland Clinic educational channel when they
mentioned that AIDS could be spread among lesbians.
My memory is failing me in my old age but it seems
I read in the 1980’s that it was believe AIDS began
in Africa when humans had sexual conduct with
monkeys.  If I am wrong then enlighten me.  Where
did AIDS originate?

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By Night-Gaunt, November 5, 2009 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

Bojan1 “Progressive trash?” Every last one of them? Why because they won’t fight your wars that screw you over even as you do their bidding? At least they aren’t mind fucked ultra-nationalist “trash” as you seem to be. I thought so. How do you identify yourself? Libertarian? I am just curious considering you think going to war just because some politician in the pocket of some defense corporations needs new revenue and to expand their power over you and me. Who is the duped one here? Just asking. I go by what you write—it is all I have to respond to.

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By ardee, November 5, 2009 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

Ardee—-What you have done is called in Freudian
Psychology a defense mechanism know as “projection.”
You have projected unto me you ignorance and bigotry.
Yes, homosexuality exists among heterosexuals but
it is heterosexuals who somewhere in their past had
some exposure to a homosexual.  As you are probably
aware, if you will open your mind to something that
is different from your own bisaes, that one member
or perhaps both memebers of a heterosexual relationship some where in there past contracted the AIDS virus in a relationship with a homosexual.

You are simply and completely mad. AIDS did not originate with homosexual conduct, nor is your rant anything but homophobic in content. The AIDS epidemic in Africa, as I mentioned and you ignored because you are indeed completely mad, has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality. But of course the truth would negate your evil litle rant.

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By tropicgirl, November 5, 2009 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment
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I almost choked at the praise of Gingrich. The damage he has done to our
country has been immense.

Joe—even if you would like it to be so, the so-called “fringe” is gaining
ground. You have to separate the career Republican politicians who are trying
to hijack the teabaggers today from the protesters who want libertarian
principles (Beck and Rush do not). But now, people are going to grab onto
whoever is throwing the punches at the establishment we hate so much, which
Obama is a part of.

There are now more independents than either party. The CENTRISTS are good
for NOTHING to the American people. They are the most lobbied, most bribed,
most compromised and most ignorant of all the politicians up there.

Democrats AND Republican grassroots are trying to get rid of their centrists,
not get more of them. The feeling is mutual. Both have ACTIVE campaigns to
get them out of office.

The corporate centrists call the conservative protesters crazy and the corporate
centrists call the liberal protesters dangerous and taser-bait. They are afraid of
both groups, with good reason. And where are the liberals on the topic of Wall
Street gamble and theft? Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are MAKING THINGS
WORSE EVERY DAY with their legislation, shoring up the abuses.

You are not helping the situation by piling on with the Rahm-talk. If you want
to convert people, stop insulting them. I personally want the right to insult,
threaten, bully, scare and otherwise get in the face of some of these crooked
politicians, within the law, and support ANYONE who does so. So you can’t
really get away with your criticism of free speech, even if you don’t agree with
it. Thats where it counts.

And, if you didn’t already know… An independent IS BY NO MEANS CENTRIST.
You have totally misunderstood the independent movement if you think this.

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By Leefeller, November 5, 2009 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

Glad I could help. You were doing a poor job proving anything never the less a point, before my help and I was being polite at the same time!

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By Leefeller, November 5, 2009 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Bojan1 provides some interesting traits, seems assuming, articulate, sexist and most ignoble, maybe one can assume adding bigot to the list, since assumptions appear deemed as an acceptable as part of the ignorant menu!

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By Leefeller, November 5, 2009 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

Thrashertm,

Have fun picking up behind all those elephants!

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By Night-Gaunt, November 5, 2009 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

Why didn’t you just copy it to something else and paste it in and then print instead of putting on another forum and printing all of it out? Do you have a “print preview” to use so only that one or two pages could have been printed?

Thank Reagan for sitting on it for 7 years because he thought it was just a “gay disease” and wanted them all just to die out in his own Christian way.

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By christian96, November 5, 2009 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

If the people commenting on my post would read the
entire post their comments and questions would have
been answered.  The article was from another post,
as I mentioned, that contained 228 comments.  I wanted a copy of the article for future reference
so instead of wasting the paper and time copying
228 comments I “copy and pasted” my comments to this
article which had very few comments.  As for the
comment about health workers receiving AIDS because
of contact with blood I would assume any intelligent
person would have taken that for granted.  I, myself,
received a blood transfusion after my triple-by-pass
and was later tested for AIDS.  Those health workers
receiving AIDS from contact is a small percentage
and growing even smaller as the technology improves.
As for those of you who chose to attack me rather
than my ideas I will completly ignore.  I would like
to take time to make a comment relative to this
article.  You notice that neither side of spectrum
of politicians seems to be paying much attention to
education.  Since the majority of my working life
was involved in education either as a university
professor or school psychologist for public schools
I’ll leave you with two significant suggestions:
(1) First it would behove our beloved politicians
to pass legislation requiring the student-teacher
ratio from Kind. through third grade to be no more
than 15.  This would allow teachers to give more
individual help to students.
(2) Secondly, junior high and/or high school students should be required to take Child Development and family Relations courses.  We need
to teach students how to raise children and how to
relate to one another in the family.  The family
communication skills could be transferred into the
work place.
Please excuse any typing errors but I have a 2 pm
appointment with my cardiologist and am in a hurry.
Have a nice day.

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By Thrashertm, November 5, 2009 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

This article is a joke, propping up the Gingrich straw-man. The days of the GOP establishment are over - the Ron Paul wing of the party is now flexing its muscles and will take over the party. We are the future of the GOP, and once the neocons squarely blame Obama for the unwinnable fiascos in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, we will finally be able to get them converted over to the philosophy of non-interventionism. Ron Paul, or the candidate he endorses, will be president in 2012.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 5, 2009 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

The tshirt doctor for the Dominionists that is the kind of country they want. Once the republic craters in on itself from corruption and huge spending on its empire to be military they will take over. That will be when the criminal gangs* disappear and the corruption because they wanted it to grow and fester to take out the hated republic but not in their holy state they wish to have grow in its place.

*They will use the kind of terror tactics used in other countries like Iraq to wipe them out.

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By Leefeller, November 5, 2009 at 10:04 am Link to this comment

Where am I? What am I doing here? Ardee and C96? Partisan politics needs to go the way of the horse and buggy! Wonder, would it be easier to buy and sell politicians if there were 10 different political parties, like in some other countries? 

bojan1, tell us how it is done, now that your greatness has graced the thread, seems bojan1 has posted and boasted or is this supposed to be satire? Why dost one feel, “thy (bojan1) has a tea bag up thy arse next to thy head”?

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By the tshirt doctor, November 5, 2009 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

i want to reply to christian96.  was you’re wife a vigin when you married her?  because if she wasn’t she needed to be stoned to death, accordind to your god.  it’s in Deuteronomy 22:20-21:

20But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

21Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

isn’t that nice!

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By Night-Gaunt, November 5, 2009 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

Christian96 you really have same sex on your mind or you wouldn’t have spewed it in this forum and it isn’t even the topic! You are so repressed. Think about it why don’t you? I would recommend going to see porn and masturbate till you can cum no more and maybe it will subside, maybe for awhile anyway.

Things are getting so white hot in the hardening black hole of the formally Republican party it is scary. Even the Newt is a little bothered. He is an Eastern Elite and he sees gaulieters with clubs in his party and he doesn’t like the ruffian class in the same building with him—threatening him for not being extreme enough! It is dangerous when the class clowns get in power and want to make their point stick with the power of the state. Very dangerous.

Because we are in the peculiar position of having only two official parties overseeing the voting and politicking it leaves out anyone else. No free time on national TV which kills any candidacy. Maximum bribery needing many millions to run for any office is also bad. Republicans should be gone and the Democrats on their last legs in a truly free and open electoral environment but it is closed. Hermetically sealed so the dead can still exist like mummies preserved in caves. [If we had had this system in the 1850’s we would still have the Whig party in power!

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By Rodrigo Riadi, November 5, 2009 at 9:51 am Link to this comment
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Jee, another article focusing on politics as if it were a spectator sport.  I truly wish that we’d pay more attention to the merit of the issues discussed than on whether the republicans or democrats have the right strategy to win.  Many Cheers, Rodrigo

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By JimM, November 5, 2009 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

My sister is a repugnican with a “say no to socialism ” bumper sticker on her SUV. Last time I visited, she was on her way to a tea bag rally. But first, she had to stop at her Medicare-reimbursed physician, and then to the bank to deposit her Social Security check before going to the rally.
Funny, eh? how man other tea baggers are like this?

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By purplewolf, November 5, 2009 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

Christian96: You obviously know not of what you speak. A person can contact AIDS and never have had a sexual contact with a homosexual. Look no further than health care workers and those who may have had a blood transfusion and no sexual contact with a person who is a carrier of the AIDS virus. Look at Ryan White, I am certain you have heard of him, if not Google him.

Thou does protest to much, what are you hiding about yourself? I know of a person who became a homophobic preacher,for him and women only,even though he was a latent homosexual and also a total sexual pervert. He also carried on about God and sin and all the same diatribe you spew, could be you clone.He refused to accept that his God created him as a homosexual. Go ahead, admit to yourself the truth about your true self, the truth will set you free.Also, I read a while back, that you were not going to post any more comments on Truthdig. Your comments have nothing to do with this article.

Give the tea baggers all the string hanging from their teabags they want, they will hang themselves up, the sooner the better. They have a proven track record of not knowing what they are actually protesting about, just ask them, they are very vague as to what they are gripping about and who they are protesting for(the rich). If they were really true to themselves, they would have been out protesting all during the Bush era. Now that is where the real problems originated from only they are to stupid to see that.

Newt is another idiot. He hasn’t changed that much from the 80’s, the words may be slightly different, but the theme remains the same.

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By Samson, November 5, 2009 at 8:44 am Link to this comment

The Democrats are in trouble.  The wars continue.  Our money keeps flowing to the corporations and the banks. Nothing has changed.

So, the Democrats do what they always do when in trouble. Attack the Republicans.  You can pretty much count on these sorts of smear the Republican pieces from a Democratic hack like Conason anytime the Democrats are in trouble. 

The idea is to divert attention away from the minor detail that the Democrats are massively stiffing everyone who voted for them in favor of their corporate donors.

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By Hulk2008, November 5, 2009 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

The author tries to portray Mr. Gingrich as being tamer than in his rise-to-power days.  Apparently he missed Newt’s congressional testimony this summer refuting 90% of modern science regarding the environment - and he must not be hearing Newt’s many statements attacking public school teachers and their unions.  Newt is still an unabashed bomb-thrower ..... perhaps a bit more reserved than when he was Speaker .... but the anti-truth bombs are still there. 
  Then again, maybe he just sounds more reasonable when compared to the conspiracy-du-jour types like Limbaugh and Beck.

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By myxzptlk, November 5, 2009 at 7:48 am Link to this comment
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As tempting as it is to join the response to “christian96”, here’s the passage that struck me about Conason’s column:

“They hate Democrats, too, of course—and lots of other people—but their invective against Republicans is suffused with special outrage.”

To date, the reaction from progressives to obdurate Blue Dogs and other corporatist Democrats has been more subdued, but the same anger exists on the left, toward both Republicans and Democrats.

Maybe that’s what Gingrich is worried about?  He sees an awakening of sorts on the right, not one that mirrors Progressives on the left, but nevertheless a rebellion against some corporatist policies in the Republican party, particularly when it comes to banking. 

The ‘baggers aren’t yet aware of how they’re being played by faux populists in the GOP, who represent those same interests in many cases, but the point is that they’re no longer happy sitting back and letting their “conservative” representatives in Congress betray their class interests.

And the teabaggers still don’t see where their interests really lie, and how many of those interests are being betrayed by the GOP, behind mountains of newsspeak and flat-out lies, but maybe Gingrich is concerned that the lizard-brain response he’s seeing now might become something more informed and aware, down the line.

The left and the right will never agree on much in terms of common values and goals, but if both ends of the spectrum can agitate sufficiently to bring the middle on board with measures like campaign finance reform, maybe there’s hope.

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, November 5, 2009 at 6:11 am Link to this comment

I’m sorry ... I can’t stop laughing.  A christian who advocated murder of anyone who is a homosexual or adulterer is just too ludicrous to even consider.  I spent a long life in the Catholic church and never heard that line of reasoning even from some of the far right wackjob priests I had to endure.  Only the evangelical fringe could dredge up this crap and actually believe it.  God was all about inclusion ... did this clown ever read any scripture?  Jesus spent his time with all the sinners because he found the pious to be hypocritical.  Have you forgotten the woman who was caught as an adulterer.  “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”  Jesus didn’t kill her ... he told her to go and sin no more.

Every person is a child of God ... even the homosexuals you hold in such contempt.  And this “affliction” is not learned but is part of the person’s very essence.  I grew up with several kids who were gay and their environment was much like mine.  And yet they became gay because that was their natural inclination.  They were not conditioned to be that way.

I’m sorry ... I’m a pretty tolerant person but this crap is beyond any reasonable position.  It tells me this person has very little brain and lets crazy and ultimately stupid ideas dominate his thinking.  He needs to get past the homophobic ignorance and get a life.

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By RdV, November 5, 2009 at 5:30 am Link to this comment

You know you inflate their influence by continually raising their profile.
  But I understand why your strategy is limited to attack: You have nothing to defend.

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By Jaded Prole, November 5, 2009 at 5:21 am Link to this comment

If there is any connection between this article and the comments below, especially of “christian96”, it is that he reflects the nutjob, ignorant, hate-mongering that makes up the “Teaparty” led by its uberfuhrer, Glen Beck. They may seem like a joke but they must be taken seriously as a growing hate group. The power of the media to organize the ignorant into a massive army of hate with hyper-emotional,nationalist, religious, fear-laden misinformation should not be underestimated. While educated folks will point out that such extremism alienates, there are many who buy into it in a dumbed-down America, especially in what is for lack of coverage, an economic depression which leave many desperate, angry and looking for scapegoats. These are the stormtroopers of tomorrow if the plug isn’t pulled on the creeps that stoke the flames on radio and TV. Hate speech is illegal and it’s time to enforce that law.

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By ardee, November 5, 2009 at 3:49 am Link to this comment

Since 80% of your loved ones died as a result of AIDS which is basically a homosexually related diseaase

One is certainly within bounds speaking to his personal religious beliefs. But when one uses those beliefs to spread biased scientific “fact” as that noted above then one might expect to be corrected.

AIDS is NOT a homosexual related disease. That is a crock of crap one hears from bigots and the unwashed. Are you such as that? Your bible is the work of man, many men actually, and contains much that is simply stupid, the examples you show above confirm this.

Hatred and bigotry, in any form, should not be tolerated , especially when found among those professing to be religiously motivated.If I believed in such I would expect there would be a special place in hell for such as you.

If you take the trouble to read something besides your bible you might find that the AIDS epidemic rampant in Africa is being spread solely through heterosexual contact. You should be ashamed of yourself, just another religious hypocrite, are you?

Perhaps someone can tell me what the hell this rant is doing in this thread, anmd who the heck is David?

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By Ian Kocher, November 5, 2009 at 3:09 am Link to this comment
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Conason: ‘The more that Beck, Palin and kindred spirits appear to represent the Republican brand, the less appeal that brand possesses.’

Before Conasin and the Democrats rejoice too much in their unearned good fortune, they should study the Virginia election: change-motivated Democrats who voted for Obama sat out this one in droves.

They stayed home because they are angered by the Democrats’ betrayal of their trust: Obama’s appointment of the very finance officials who were responsible for the conditions leading to the meltdown, and his tepid approach to a robust public option.

Watch for more of his base to melt away next year.

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