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Posted on Oct 28, 2009

By E.J. Dionne, Jr.

Memo to Democrats: You will be defined by President Obama whether you like it or not, so you might as well embrace him for the benefits he can bring you.

Memo to Republicans: Talk a right-wing game in your ideological magazines and at your tea parties if that makes you happy. But to win elections, your candidates had better look like middle-of-the-road problem-solvers.

Those are the two outstanding lessons from the campaigns for next Tuesday’s governors’ races in New Jersey and Virginia. Both parties would be smart to apply them in 2010.

In Virginia, Democrat R. Creigh Deeds is running well behind Republican Bob McDonnell in part because the Deeds and Obama camps developed a profoundly dysfunctional relationship that they are only now setting right. As a result, too many of Obama’s 2008 voters are disengaged, threatening Virginia Democrats all the way down the ballot. Deeds’ long-shot hope is that Obama’s last-minute efforts will finally turn on the president’s legions.

In New Jersey, by contrast, incumbent Gov. Jon Corzine has hugged Obama as hard as he could, and the election has been moving his way. In a revealing tribute to Obama’s Jersey popularity, Corzine’s Republican opponent, Chris Christie, used his own Web site to post a video of Obama talking about change, the idea being that Christie is the change candidate this time.

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For Republicans, Virginia teaches that a candidate with a right-wing past does best by playing down ideology in favor of appeals rooted in the practical: employment, schools and transportation.

Republican Bob McDonnell, whose roots are in Pat Robertson-style social conservatism, is running ahead—by 11 points according to this week’s Washington Post poll—not only because he is rallying his own base but also because he is cutting into past Democratic strength in northern Virginia’s exurbs.

McDonnell’s success so far wins this backhanded compliment from Mo Elleithee, a leading Deeds strategist: “Bob McDonnell’s campaign has been smart in that he’s focused on the issues most Virginians care about, jobs and the economy, despite the fact that he has not focused on those issues for his entire career.” Republicans who long to build a “center-right” majority should note that McDonnell has kept his eyes on the “center.”

He got help when Deeds’ campaign was thrown off course by a drop in Obama’s Virginia approval numbers during the summer. Hoping to do better in the Virginia countryside than Democrats typically do, Deeds, from rural Bath County, worried that too close a link to the president would turn off more conservative voters.

Deeds never openly broke with Obama, but he equivocated. The distancing has done Deeds little good in Republican parts of the state, yet has depressed his support with the sorts of voters who gave Obama his 53-46 percent victory in Virginia last year.

The Obama camp compounded the problem by leaking a story to The Washington Post in which presidential aides complained about the weakness of Deeds’ campaign. Obama, who was described as unhappy with the leak, tried to repair the damage with a rousing rally on Tuesday in Norfolk where he urged his supporters to turn out for Deeds. But he acknowledged that “the polls don’t look the way we want them to” because “folks are just kind of staying home.”

Corzine, by contrast, has willingly made himself a surrogate candidate for Obama. The governor’s strategists have used the president in every way possible, his Web site boasting of Obama as “a partner in the White House.” For his part, Obama has thrown himself enthusiastically behind Corzine and will make his third campaign appearance in New Jersey on Sunday.

The Obama camp sensed early that Corzine could overcome his own unpopularity with a fierce, well-financed campaign challenging Christie’s integrity—and with the help of a third-party candidate, Chris Daggett. According to a Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday, Daggett is drawing roughly three votes from Christie for every two he is taking from Corzine. The poll gave Corzine, who has trailed for much of the year, a 43-38 percent lead.

Other polls suggest a tighter race, but the trajectory in both Virginia and New Jersey sends a message to many moderate congressional Democrats worried about the 2010 elections: Whatever problems Obama may cause them, they almost certainly can’t win without him. For their part, Republicans can make a race of it next year only if they realize that being angry and negative plays well on cable television but not at the polls.

E.J. Dionne’s e-mail address is ejdionne(at)washpost.com.

© 2009, Washington Post Writers Group


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By MarthaA, November 7, 2009 at 1:01 am Link to this comment

ardee, November 4 at 8:27am,

Sure, sure, ardee.

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By ardee, November 4, 2009 at 4:27 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, November 3 at 11:25 am #

ardee, November 3 at 8:02am,

ardee said: “I am still claiming the Bronx,NY as my birthplace.”

MarthaA’s answer:  Claims are not FACT.  You can claim anything.  Claims mean nothing.  You should follow my suggestion and get your BIRTH CERTIFICATE,...

Interestingly Martha becomes as a TeaBagger…Should I now accuse her of working for a right wing boiler room, or being a GOP plant or some such.

The simple fact, you simpleton, is that those like Outraged[ who lie and run away after posting such a lie, and those like you, who post from their insanity rather than any form of reality, are little different.

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By MarthaA, November 3, 2009 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

ardee, November 3 at 8:02am,

ardee said: “I am still claiming the Bronx,NY as my birthplace.”

MarthaA’s answer:  Claims are not FACT.  You can claim anything.  Claims mean nothing.  You should follow my suggestion and get your BIRTH CERTIFICATE, then you will not have to claim you were born or imagine you know where, you will know, which is far more important than claiming without knowledge of objective FACT.  You may poo poo fact, but objective fact is the way to keep sanity from all the subjective crap the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS dole out. I find it hard to accept that you would not have a BIRTH CERTIFICATE of objective fact as to your birth— showing when and where you were born, after you have told us you have at least 15 or more grandchildren——are we to understand that none of the grandchildren know where they were born either?

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By ardee, November 3, 2009 at 4:02 am Link to this comment

Speaking of “facts” hag, where are the facts of my supposed right wing espionage? I have repeatedly asked for them and you have repeatedly ducked responding, in one case lying that you already had.

Join that coward outraged in unsubstantiated bullshit and then running away. Speaking of that jerk, I am still claiming the Bronx,NY as my birthplace.

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By MarthaA, November 2, 2009 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment

ardee, November 2 at 8:39am,

Just the facts.

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By ardee, November 2, 2009 at 4:39 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, November 1 at 10:28 pm

What a jerk you are.

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By ardee, November 2, 2009 at 4:38 am Link to this comment

Outraged, November 2 at 12:10 am

Better angry than an
outright liar and coward like you….Still awaiting proof of my “European birth”, asshole.

Everyone errs,your parents would be a great example.  Some, like you in fact, are too cowardly and insecure to admit to error.

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By Outraged, November 1, 2009 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

Article quote: “For their part, Republicans can make a race of it next year only if they realize that being angry and negative plays well on cable television but not at the polls.”

Some would certainly do well to heed Mr. Dionne’s very pertinent supposition.  I don’t want to name names, that’d be crass, don’t you think…. but their initials are “RD”.

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By MarthaA, November 1, 2009 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

ardee, October 31 at 10:34am,

ardee said:  “I have been under the impression that I was born in the Bronx, New York and really wish to find the truth of my heritage…”

MarthaA’s answer: So you think you are of European heritage— You can check.  But first, since you are under the impression you were born in the Bronx, you must contact the New York State Capital in Albany and for a fee procure your Birth Certificate if they have it, then if they have your Birth Certificate, you will have objective fact as confirmation that will prove you were born in the Bronx or whereever, and will no longer be under a subjective impression of what may have been and you can go on from there.  No charge.

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By ardee, November 1, 2009 at 3:58 am Link to this comment

Outraged, November 1 at 1:56 am

But nowhere in this post, a list of well earned epithets, do I see the proof of your lies. Where is my statement that I was born in Europe…You are a clown, add that to your stupid list.

I have never used insult or epithet to anyone who did not attack me first or engage in bigotry. As to my popularity, well I let insecure little dolts like you worry about such as that. I am loved by those who count in my life, children and grandkids, liked by my neighbors and friends of long standing. That is certainly enough for me.

Why should I seek the approval of a slimer like you anyway? You have a long history of enraged ( outraged) responses to people who post things of which you disapprove, I believe I noted this quite some time ago and was severely chastised then for daring to note it. I do hope you see yourself one day.

Still awaiting that cut and paste you lying clown…Oh and woudl you please clean up that slime trail as you disappear under your rock, thanks ever so much.

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By Outraged, October 31, 2009 at 10:56 pm Link to this comment

Re: ardee

Your such a likeable character, it never ceases to amaze me.  A couple of your comments, all in one post no less…...

“have you forgotten to take your meds today”

“That asshole”

“an even bigger fool of yourself”

“that jackass made up crap is his problem, you problem” (btw, “you problem” is bad “ingeles”.....)

“Do you honestly think you are held in respect”

“Here’s a hint, Hag,”

“a mentally ill clown like you”

But don’t worry about it “ardee” certainly you must know that you are near and dear to all….. but I did have just one itty bitty question, Does anyone truthfully like you?....anyone at all, really…?

In the spirit of good sportsmanship…. I’ll even consider Cheney, that’d be the “Dick” Cheney.  On second thought… maybe your his good friend, the one who was shot in the face and all…. I guess that would make one quite the sour-puss.

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By ardee, October 31, 2009 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

Martha, have you forgotten to take your meds today? A number of posts from you are way beyond even my expectations of your insanity.

That asshole Outraged has failed , when prompted, to note where I said what he claims I said. That doesnt stop you from making an even bigger fool of yourself though I see. Why that jackass made up crap is his problem, you problem is so obvious to everyone here I suspect it needs no reiteration. Do you honestly think you are held in respect here?

Here’s a hint, Hag, when one says that being called gay doesn’t bother him, that means he doesn’t feel belittled. I do not believe being gay is disparaging, nor do I think that a mentally ill clown like you is capable of grasping nuance.

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By MarthaA, October 31, 2009 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

ardee, October 31 at 10:34am,

ardee said: “where is that cut and paste wherein I supposedly claimed European birth?”

Outraged said October 30 at 1:52am:  “from the onset “ardee” was an all out American, but on one of “ardee’s” recent comments (on the other thread), he/she is claiming to be European!” 

MarthaA’s answer:  You can run from yourself, but you won’t get far. Which thread are you claiming to be European on, ardee?  Do you have more grandchildren in Europe?

ardee said:  “most here in the twenty first century are not belittled by being called gay”

MarthaA’s answer:  Did you feel belittled, ardee?  So sad, this is the 21st Century; so you’re a gay European, with 15 or 20 grandchildren scattered all across the globe, you really got around,didn’t you,ardee; but, it’s the 21st Century, people understand gay people having 15 or 20 grandchildren in the 21st Century.

ardee said:  “nonsense for anyone seeking actual truths.

MarthaA’s answer: Are you seeking actual objective truth, ardee? Interesting you would say that since your truth seeking is amorphous, equivocating and obfuscatorily subjective savant dialogue?——Do you think you can find objective truth with amorphous, equivocating, and obfuscatory subjective, savant dialogue?  Do you think?  How will you know when you find it, ardee?  Will Dick Armey tell you?—or, will it be someone from ResistNet or the Grassfire Alliance, because these are the politically conservative groups that convince the liberals that subjective is all there is and subjectivity is in their best interest, while the political Conservative EXTREMISTS make off with all the objective assets of a liberal nation. Are you one of those of the liberal population that thinks he/she is a conservative, ardee?  You being a truck driver, I find it hard to understand how you can defend conservatism so hard, being as conservatism is against your own situation, but it takes all kinds to make a world, doesn’t it, ardee?

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By ardee, October 31, 2009 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, October 30 at 9:33 pm

How many times do you seek to prove your insanity? I guess your rants are simply just symptomatic of it, sad for you but nonsense for anyone seeking actual truths. Oh, and by the by, most here in the twenty first century are not belittled by being called gay….even incorrectly.

Speaking of actual truths, outrageously lying

where is that cut and paste wherein I supposedly claimed European birth? I eagerly await this as I have been under the impression that I was born in the Bronx, New York and really wish to find the truth of my heritage…You are really such a moron.

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By MarthaA, October 30, 2009 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

ardee, October 30 at 6:49am,

Now the cat is out of the bag, ardee, you are a gay European driving a truck for a utility company and you are caught up in living the life of a soap opera, with 15 grandchildren here in America; how does that square with being a gay European truck driver?.  Do you have a green card to drive that truck for the utility company, ardee?

What is it with all of the political animosity?  Is that something you are acting out from the soap opera? ——or what?—Inquiring minds want to know.

The soap opera thing explains you and Shenonymous, you being a gay European truck driver and Shenonymous being a vulgar academic atheist, all that is left out of the relationship is the whips and the chains and that part of the soap opera is most likely in a coming episode with your buddy OzarkMichael, the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republican.

Does Night-Gaunt and Leefeller work at the truck stop?—— and, is the truck stop where you people were recruited to work in the Right-Wing EXTREMIST boiler room?  This must be so, because, other than as a paid sophist and propagandist— what interest would a gay European truck driver have in American politics?

The Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS must be getting pretty desperate hiring gay European truck drivers, vulgar atheist academics and other unsavory truck stop characters, as sophists and propagandists in their Right-Wing EXTREMIST Boiler Room ——Can you shed some light on this BREAKING NEWS from Outraged? This must be true, it was on the internet.  Your situation is so sad.

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By Trailing Begonia, October 30, 2009 at 5:27 am Link to this comment

That opening line, what a bunch of boloney!  Man, I can’t get passed that because I’m afraid that if I do, I may run to the White House and ask to kiss his ass while screaming “terrorism” and asking to be saved from Osama bin Ladden, the Taliban, et al.

Please, enough with the brainwashing and the crap already.  The Obama guy sucks as bad as Bush only he can lie in better English.  He ain’t for you, he ain’t for me, he ain’t for anymore but himself and the corporate elites that own him.

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By ardee, October 30, 2009 at 3:49 am Link to this comment

Additionally, from the onset “ardee” was an all out American, but on one of “ardee’s” recent comments (on the other thread), he/she is claiming to be European!  This is more entertaining than that soap I used to watch when I was fifteen

You are, aside from being always “outraged” at something or other, so sad for you, a clown and a liar the equal of Marshall or any other piece of garbage more interested in their own ego building than any truth or political solution.

Any so-called “reference” to my claiming to be of European birth is a delusion on your part, asshole. That you find an alliance with the single most insane person on this forum speaks volumes about you and nothing whatever about anything of import.

I did, in fact, leave my position as a Data Processing manager to ultimately found my own trucking company. That you find that strange is of no consequence to me or any actually sane person I imagine.

You are, indeed, a rather large jackass.

Speaking of such long eared animals, Martha, I am still awaiting a cut and paste proving your stupid insinuations regarding my political beliefs as you state them to be. Cant do it, but then you cant even get a grip on reality either.

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By Outraged, October 29, 2009 at 10:52 pm Link to this comment

Re: MarthaA

Weee…doggie!  Like ol’ Jed Clampent used to say.  It seems you really got under “ardee’s” skin.  “Ardee” called you a hag, TWICE…..in one day.

“Ardee” has only said that I’m “childish” and “silly” when he/she hasn’t a debatable point.  Although the other day “ardee” said I was, one…. “like MarthaA” (lol) and two…. “stupidly silly”.

I’m still pondering the “stupidly silly” premise.  Ya know…, The Three Stooges are stupid, and Harold Lloyd is silly…. but to combine the two would be PURE GENIUS!  Suffice to say, I’ve decided to take it as none other than complement.

Just between you and me (and this is on the “hush-hush”, if you know what I mean).  Did you notice that apparently “according to ardee” she/he had a great job as a data-processor for what sounded like several school districts but left it to drive a truck for a utility company….snicker, snicker… what does that tell you about “ardee”.  WAIT….. there’s more.  Additionally, from the onset “ardee” was an all out American, but on one of “ardee’s” recent comments (on the other thread), he/she is claiming to be European!  This is more entertaining than that soap I used to watch when I was fifteen.

Get ready…(the suspense is killing me).  Will “ardee” claim amnesia?  Will “ardee” marry the ol’ widow who owns the castle in Translyvania?  Will “ardee” be true to his lover, you know the one he’s been cheating on as far as the ol’ widow…. or vice-versa…. OR…..! (melodramatic music) is “ardee’s lover”, GAY!!!!!!!!

Stay tuned.  Same bat time, same bat channel.

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By ardee, October 29, 2009 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA said:  You are very strange, ardee, cutting and pasting your posts to show you what you said doesn’t seem to phase you
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

and I still await your actually doing so…..what a hag you are!

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By MarthaA, October 29, 2009 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment

ardee, October 29 at 7:45am,

ardee said:  “As I have any number of times before, to you and your alter ego, I ask you to cut and paste any of my posts that cause you to arrive at such conclusions”.....“I await such confirmation of your opinion of my standing with the right…...but Im not holding my breath.”

MarthaA said:  You are very strange, ardee, cutting and pasting your posts to show you what you said doesn’t seem to phase you.  And your unmitigated lies about my enemies, your name calling, etc. has gone to seed.  You are an equivocator of sophism and propaganda.

With sophism and propaganda——Do NOT equivocate, and then ask that others accept the frame of your equivocation, and join you in your self-indulgent efforts to pedantically parse your own equivocation; this tactic has been used by the Right-Wingers from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, by the Right-Wing EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber and by the lumpen-proletariat toadies of the Right-Wing EXTREMIST Movement that suck up for advantage, it is old, worn out and tiresome and nothing more than a means to an end for controlling the frame of dialogue, so that opposing dialogue ends and the dialogue becomes solely over the valid or invalid nature of Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST dialogue.  ENOUGH ALREADY.

The solution to this type of framing is that YOU provide your own proof, for your own dialogue; and that Right-Wing EXTREMISTS, their echo-chamber and toadies provide their own proof for their own subjective assertions and cease and desist from asking others to support or disprove Right-Wing Conservative subjective assertions. 

The Left and Liberals are only obligated to make a case for the Left and Liberals; if the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS wish to dispute the case made by the Left and Liberals, it is up to the Right-Wingers to make their own case——the Left and Liberals are tired of participating in the Right-Wing Dumb Show that requires the Left and Liberals to accept framing that mandates the Left and Liberals to accommodate Right-Wing equivocation and parsing of the elements of their own disingenuous frame to relieve Right-Wingers of their own responsibility to make their own case for their own subjective assertions.

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By MarthaA, October 29, 2009 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

ardee, October 29 at 6:17am and ardee, October 29 at 7:45am,

ardee said: “Rigid hard line, with me or die politics seems pointless.”

Your above quote is a symbol or your lukewarm, distasteful, appeasing attitude.

The problem, ardee, is that you equivocate, rather than support the masses of the population of America, that ARE the Political Left, the liberals and try to maintain allegiance and ties to the American Aristocracy and the American Professional Middle Class, presumably you do so because you feel the need to toady up to the American Aristocracy and the American Professional Middle Class for personal advantage;——throw all of your support to the masses of the population of America without equivocation, appeasing and pandering down to the American Aristocracy and the American Professional Middle Class and we will get along just fine, otherwise my attitude toward you will not change.

You see, I know I am not a Noble or a Nearly Noble, and you don’t. I know that I am a member of the 70% MAJORITY Common Population and one will not get help for the 70% MAJORITY Common Population by appeasing, pandering and toadying up to the Nobles and Nearly Nobles.

My hero is Florida Congressman Alan Grayson, who is a Nearly Noble that realizes the 70% MAJORITY Common Population are being unrepresented and that lobbyists and representatives of the U.S. Government are whoring against the Common Population.  The Holy Bible talks a lot about whores, whordoms, whoremongers and whoring and it is the same metaphor in politics, when one turns against the MAJORITY population of a nation.  Here is only one of the many verses from the Holy Bible: “..., because I am broken with their whorish heart, which hath departed from me, and with their eyes, which go a whoring after their idols;...”—Ezekiel 6:9

This is metaphor for hearts being turned away from God, and it is metaphor for hearts being turned away from the people of the nation which has caused the lack of equilibrium where conservatives have convinced too many people that they are the only way against the best interest of the people, and many people have gone a whoring with the conservatives against the best interest of the nation as a whole.  I so agree with Rep. Alan Grayson.

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By coloradokarl, October 29, 2009 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

It is like a strange Star Trek episode… The mothers line up to have a deadly live virus squirted in their childrens nostrils?!? This got me thinking why is the power trying to get us to line up for the government injection? To cull the herd? My mind drifts to the new Wal-Mart. This bold statement of capitalism is a wonder to behold. Low prices, low wages and now Coffins and urns for our every need. This building has a sinister backside I fear. Three story block walls, Kitchen and the cage of of the garden center makes a perfect holding center include the truck ramps and it becomes a transfer center. Wal mart has helped to destroy our manufacturing base, kept and helped people stay at the poverty levell and looks to me as the perfect fascist people eater. All it needs now is the crematorium and PERFECTION!!

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By tropicgirl, October 29, 2009 at 8:58 am Link to this comment
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I think it comes down to this:

Obama and other Democrats believe it is much more important for their party
to be in power than to affect any sort of change that does not further the
personal careers of certain power Democrats. The individual candidates and
their convictions do not matter. (support for Lieberman and Spector shows
this).

He could build a more solid party if he would do the right thing and climb out
of the dirty politics bowl, at least while he was president. But he can’t. He’s just
another cheap politician with a higher price.

I think most people are seeing the breakdown differently. There will always be
the “corporate, or neo-liberals and neo-conservatives”. They think alike,
parade in different costumes. They will both vote for bailouts, pork and Wall
Street and against Main Street. Pro war. Pro Israel.

But both parties’ grassroots are steadily entertaining the idea that getting rid of
their moderates is a good idea. And they equate moderates with the corporate-
heads. Even the latest Beck movement is to get rid of moderates, even if it
favors a Democrat win. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Democrats do several
versions of the same thing.

What E.J. does not understand is that AN INDEPENDENT IS NOT A MODERATE BY
ANY MEANS. And it is the independent movement that is growing. The
moderate movement is waning if you look closely.

Where will it get the American people if the two major parties get rid of their
moderates? What will they ever agree on? You would be surprised.  There are
many issues they actually agree on with the top one being TOTAL REJECTION OF
WALL STREET AND CORPORATE POLITICS for a start.

A lot of grassroots from both sides can live with this if it can actually get
traction. If it does, you better watch out.

Other issues the far right and far left can agree on are (for example, even if the
corporatists try to co-opt the individual demonstrations on tv, on both sides,
for political points, it does not matter):

-anti war
-anti vaccine/death panels/managed care/eugenics
-clean organic food, not genetic
-no international debt on the backs of taxpayers
-less taxes, more individual freedoms
-protect American jobs
-protect American families
-education
-secure borders including drug traffic and undocumented
-less immigration
-higher minimum wages for legal
-anti-torture
-anti-nation-building
-free speech
-pro-environment/anti-pollution
-anti gay discriminiation

If any of these can get traction, perhaps with the right candidate, a lot of
independent people will go for progress on any of these.

There is absolutely no traction being received from the corporate, or
“moderate” politicians and groups on the grassroots causes. The moderates are
the most heavily lobbied group and are useless for that reason (and everyone
knows it). Even the liberal-sounding bills (cap and trade and the so-called
health care reform) have become cover for corporate interests.

Watch for desperate true liberals to ally with straong and brave libertarians or
some form of it, leaving Washington behind. Times are changing. Obama isn’t.

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By Hulk2008, October 29, 2009 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

The balance of power in government changes constantly - like a huge Foucalt pendulum.  Mr. Obama DID get elected by a decent margin .... along with quite a few coattail Dems.  It should be common sense, even for the Blue Dogs, to stick with the Pres. at least for a while ... at least until his poll numbers go below 50%. 

Unfortunately, politicians and much of the electorate has the attention span of a 2-year-old.

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By ardee, October 29, 2009 at 4:45 am Link to this comment

Martha the Hun:

As I have any number of times before, to you and your alter ego, I ask you to cut and paste any of my posts that cause you to arrive at such conclusions.

You have consistently ignored this request in the past and will, I believe, ignore it now. You accuse any and all who fail to fall in line with your half crazed political views as GOP plants, spies, whatever. You fail miserably any test of honesty and only reconfirm, with every new post, your tenuous hold on reality, political or otherwise.

The list of those you condemn as your “enemy” is rather large by now, I wonder if you believe yourself surrounded by enemies everywhere and that only your own, “rather unique” views are correct.

At least this post contained only one capitalized word, making it actually readable if not coherent. I await such confirmation of your opinion of my standing with the right…...but Im not holding my breath.

I think Prozac would do you wonders, hag.

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By MarthaA, October 29, 2009 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

ardee, you are definitely not of the Liberal Left; you may favor a few leftish views, but you make your stand with the Right, either a DLC Democratish Conservative Republican-Lite or if not a Republican EXTREMIST, you are a Republican-Lite Democratish sophist, or just plain ignorant; because that is truth what I posted.

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By MarthaA, October 29, 2009 at 4:17 am Link to this comment

ardee, you are definitely not of the Liberal Left; you may favor a few leftish views, but you make your stand with the Right, either a DLC Democratish Conservative Republican-Lite or if not a Conservative Republican EXTREMIST, you are a Republican-Lite Democratish sophist, or just plain ignorant; because that is truth what I posted.

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By ardee, October 29, 2009 at 3:17 am Link to this comment

Posted even twice this makes little sense, to me at least. Rigid hard line, with me or die politics seems pointless.

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By MarthaA, October 29, 2009 at 1:47 am Link to this comment

There is no such thing as a social conservative Republican or a compassionate conservative Republican, when someone says either, you know they know nothing about politics or are feeding you a crock of dung. Socialist and Conservative is an oxymoron.  Politically Compassionate and Conservative is an oxymoron. ALL Conservatives are the FAR RIGHT EXTREME—AS FAR RIGHT AS YOU CAN GET—there is no farther EXTREME Right than Conservatives. If one is a tiny bit liberal/Socialist, then one would be Moderate-Right, not Conservative.  Sophism seems to reign in politics.

United States Political Terminology is determined from a Political Line Graph originating from the French National Assembly of 1789.  In that assembly, Nobles took the HONORED SEATS to the King’s RIGHT.  In the first French Legislature, after the French Revolution, the Liberal Deputies, representatives of the people were seated to the LEFT of the Speaker.

The Political Left, Liberals, and the Political Right, Conservatives, can be represented on a line graph with NO Center Point, only a dividing line between LEFT and RIGHT.

The Conservative Side, the Political RIGHT, the Republicans, is divided with its own Center Point, with EXTREME Conservative to the Right. The entire RIGHT is hard core Corporate Conservative EXTREMISTS, if one is a Republican Conservative——one is an EXTREMIST.

The Liberal Side, the Political LEFT, the Democrats, is divided with its own Center Point, with Liberal to the Left and supposed SOCIALIST Conservative to the right; and the Political Left is divided with its own Center Point, with Liberal to the left and Conservative to the Right, there are NO OTHER Center Points.

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By MarthaA, October 29, 2009 at 1:41 am Link to this comment

There is no such thing as a social conservative or a compassionate conservative, when someone says either, you know they know nothing about politics or are feeding you a crock of dung. ALL Conservatives are the FAR RIGHT EXTREME—AS FAR RIGHT AS YOU CAN GET—there is no farther EXTREME Right than Conservatives. If one is a tiny bit liberal/Socialist, then one would be Moderate-Right, not Conservative.  Sophism seems to reign in politics.

United States Political Terminology is determined from a Political Line Graph originating from the French National Assembly of 1789.  In that assembly, Nobles took the HONORED SEATS to the King’s RIGHT.  In the first French Legislature, after the French Revolution, the Liberal Deputies, representatives of the people were seated to the LEFT of the Speaker.

The Political Left, Liberals, and the Political Right, Conservatives, can be represented on a line graph with NO Center Point, only a dividing line between LEFT and RIGHT.

The Conservative Side, the Political RIGHT, the Republicans, is divided with its own Center Point, with EXTREME Conservative to the Right. The entire RIGHT is hard core Corporate Conservative EXTREMISTS, if one is a Republican Conservative——one is an EXTREMIST.

The Liberal Side, the Political LEFT, the Democrats, is divided with its own Center Point, with Liberal to the Left and supposed SOCIALIST Conservative to the right; and the Political Left is divided with its own Center Point, with Liberal to the left and Conservative to the Right, there are NO OTHER Center Points.

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