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Posted on Sep 28, 2009
AP / Mohammed Ballas

A Palestinian boy aims a toy gun as he stands next to a mural of militants in the West Bank’s Jenin refugee camp. The Arabic graffiti reads: “Many people held weapons but few used them against their enemies.”

By Chris Hedges

There is a scene in “Othello” when the Moor is so consumed by jealousy and rage that he loses the eloquence and poetry that make him the most articulate man in Venice. He turns to the audience, shortly before he murders Desdemona, and sputters, “Goats and monkeys!” Othello fell prey to wild self-delusion and unchecked rage, and his words became captive to hollow clichés. The debasement of language, which Shakespeare understood was a prelude to violence, is the curse of modernity. We have stopped communicating, even with ourselves. And the consequences will be as extreme as in the Shakespearean tragedy.

Those who seek to dominate our behavior first seek to dominate our speech. They seek to obscure meaning. They make war on language. And the English- and Arabic-speaking worlds are each beset with a similar assault on language. The graffiti on the mud walls of Gaza that calls for holy war or the crude rants of Islamic militants are expressed in a simplified, impoverished form of Arabic. This is not the classical language of 1,500 years of science, poetry and philosophy. It is an argot of clichés, distorted Quranic verses and slogans. This Arabic is no more comprehensible to the literate in the Arab world than the carnival barking that pollutes our airwaves is comprehensible to our literate classes. The reduction of popular discourse to banalities, exacerbated by the elite’s retreat into obscure, specialized jargon, creates internal walls that thwart real communication. This breakdown in language makes reflection and debate impossible. It transforms foreign cultures, which we lack the capacity to investigate, into reversed images of ourselves. If we represent virtue, progress and justice, as our clichés constantly assure us, then the Arabs, or the Iranians, or anyone else we deem hostile, represent evil, backwardness and injustice. An impoverished language solidifies a binary world and renders us children with weapons. 

How do you respond to “Islam is the solution” or “Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior”? How do you converse with someone who justifies the war in Iraq—as Christopher Hitchens does—with the tautology that we have to “kill them over there so they do not kill us over here”? Those who speak in these thought-terminating clichés banish rational discussion. Their minds are shut. They sputter and rant like a demented Othello. The paucity of public discourse in our culture, even among those deemed to be public intellectuals, is matched by the paucity of public discourse in the Arab world.

This emptiness of language is a gift to demagogues and the corporations that saturate the landscape with manipulated images and the idiom of mass culture. Manufactured phrases inflame passions and distort reality. The collective chants, jargon and epithets permit people to surrender their moral autonomy to the heady excitement of the crowd. “The crowd doesn’t have to know,” Mussolini often said. “It must believe. ... If only we can give them faith that mountains can be moved, they will accept the illusion that mountains are moveable, and thus an illusion may become reality.” Always, he said, be “electric and explosive.” Belief can triumph over knowledge. Emotion can vanquish thought. Our demagogues distort the Bible and the Constitution, while their demagogues distort the Quran, or any other foundational document deemed to be sacred, fueling self-exaltation and hatred at the expense of understanding. The more illiterate a society becomes, the more power those who speak in this corrupted form of speech amass, the more music and images replace words and thought. We are cursed not by a cultural divide but by mutual cultural self-destruction. 

The educated elites in the Arab world are now as alienated as the educated elites in the United States. To speak with a vocabulary that the illiterate or semiliterate do not immediately grasp is to be ostracized, distrusted and often ridiculed. It is to impart knowledge, which fosters doubt. And doubt in calcified societies, which prefer to speak in the absolute metaphors of war and science, is a form of heresy. It was not accidental that the founding biblical myth saw the deliverer of knowledge as evil and the loss of innocence as a catastrophe. “This probably had less to do with religion than with the standard desire of those in authority to control those who are not,” John Ralston Saul wrote. “And control of the Western species of the human race seems to turn upon language.”

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The infantile slogans that are used to make sense of the world express, whether in tea party rallies or in Gaza street demonstrations, a very real alienation, yearning and rage. These clichés, hollow to the literate, are electric with power to those for whom these words are the only currency in which they can express anguish and despair. And as the economy worsens, as war in the Middle East and elsewhere continues, as our corporate state strips us of power and reduces us to serfs, expect this rage, and the demented language used to give it voice, to grow.


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By Night-Gaunt, November 15, 2009 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

If they won’t answer the simple questions then it will be like pulling teeth without anesthetic for the harder ones.

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By OzarkMichael, November 15, 2009 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

My question was: Martha/Thomas, did you write the following phrases:

70% MAJORITY Common Population


Common MAJORITY Population of the United States


70% Majority Common Culture and Common Population

Instead of answering Yes or No, Martha/Thomas put up a link. I went there and read her posts and found her statement 70% Majority Common Culture and Common Population.

So her indirect answer is YES.

Why is Martha/Thomas indirect and not a simple Yes or No answer? Martha/Thomas has often said, Adolph Hitler did not sneak around, Hitler did what he did openly. Why not be open, Martha/Thomas, like Hitler was?

Hitler did not sneak around. Why must you sneak around? But at least we are getting somewhere. 

Martha/Thomas, since you admitted that you are setting a frame that imitates Hitler’s STEP #5, why not follow up and explain to us how Hitler did it? The rest of us hate reading Mein Kampf and since you like it so much I figured you would do us all a favor.

Or do I have to drag it out of you bit by bit with simple binary questions?

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By ThomasG, November 15, 2009 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

Donald Duck, Minnie Mouse, Daffy Duck, Goofy,and Night-Gaunt, Nov.15 at 6:20pm,

Blah.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 15, 2009 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

Why do you fail to answer? You are the “pathetic” one with all your wheeze and groan but not real communication with us. Repeat a message 6 times is pathetic and you know it! 1st time communication, 2nd time onward it is just “blah” and noise—of no use.

How can we listen to your message when you threaten us if we don’t take it all in as you dictate to us? Not the way to win friends and influence people. What one would expect in some kind of totalitarian dictatorship of the coarsest kind. You two are it.

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By ThomasG, November 15, 2009 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

Donald Duck, Minnie Mouse, Daffy Duck, Goofy, and Shenonymous, November 15 at 8:35pm,

All of “you people” Leefeller, Night-Gaunt, Shenonymous and your leader and agenda setter, OzarkMichael try to kill the messenger to deny and destroy the message and blow your own horn in praise of yourselves to the tune of blah—— Pathetic.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 15, 2009 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment

I’m sorry Ozark Michael but I think that MA/TG are “ideologically impaired” and probably are un use to clear forthright questions in a yes or no context. Even though I have been asked by them to give one concerning whether I was you Ozark Michael! [My writing style and content weren’t enough for them. And unlike TG I did not repeat myself six times to do it.]

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By Shenonymous, November 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

Hurry, hurry, hurry…the theater is open again.  From OzarkMichael a few more
relevant simple binary-answered questions for thomas/martha!  And more to
come!  After reading TG’s last post to me, et al, which looks exactly like the
previous six, the same ThomasG who has never shown even a thimbleful of
kindness, not one shred of compassion for his fellow man or woman, it
occurred to me that he missed his opportunity. 

He made his column of RWCEs on the left side (was that a mindless act?)
or simply no sense of the aesthetic?  There is something weirdly contradictory
in an extreme left column of RWCEs!  I realize that is a formatting limitation of
Truthdig, but then I also realized the entire problem of TG/MA is a formatting
limitation.

I have decided to create a TG/MA Book of Words for publication, maybe even
design a TG/MA word game with classic Hitler and Nazi expression cards and
another set called the Beast of Truth cards.  Might have a contest to give it a
good catchy name.  I’ll let you all know.  Figure there’s got to be a dollar in
there somewhere and I might as well make some money from the broken
record.  I have many years of desktop publishing skills.  Then approach a
corporation to produce and market it all.  Holy Toledo!  I think I can get an ad
spot at the top of the Truthdig forum heading, (left-leaning as they are TD is
in it to make some money), or if too expensive perhaps on the left side bottom
along with all the other TD paraphernalia for sale.  Yeah, I could even design a
T-shirt with all the TG/MA words printed on it, bold and all caps!  Mannn I’m
on a roll.  It is right in there with a capitalistic perspective, to make gobs of
money anyway one can!  ‘Merkin entrepreneurship at work (actually that is the
name of my new corporation, ‘Merkin Entrepreneurship, doancha like it?)! 

Next I’m going to write a book entitled “The Sophistry on How to Scape a Goat.” 
Goats are big stars right now in the movies, yeah! with George Cloony.  Now I
would make the scaping neutral so both left and right sides can hand it out to
their new members. Make more money that way!  Actually I have a pet goat
named Scape.

So let’s see, what else?.....hmmmm oh yeah, I’m planning on setting up a
Twitter set of instructions on how to remove buckets from heads.

So ThomasG, are you going to answer OzarkMichael’s questions?  And do you
have a leader yet?  Surely you werent’ thinking of being it yourself were you?!!!

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By ThomasG, November 15, 2009 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

Donald Duck, Minnie Mouse, Daffy Duck, Goofy,Leefeller,Nov.15 at 2:12pm, Night-Gaunt,Nov.12 at 4:51pm, Shenonymous,Nov.15 at 2:21pm, and OzarkMichael [Leader & Agenda Setter],Nov.15 at 2:00pm:

What does it mean when a Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST tautological sophist propagandist fulminating and equivocating Hitleresque sophist propaganda, accuses others of repeating themselves?——NOTHING at all, other than that, others are infringing upon their standards of political behavior to which they have claimed exclusive rights to use with “triumphant exceptionalism” that excludes them from both the cause and effect of their own behavior.

Why is it that those who engage in organized tautological framing and inculcation by fulminating and equivocating sophistry and propaganda always see what they are doing in others as their own subjective opinions, claims and assertions used to accuse, condemn, denounce and demonize their victims?——this type of aggressive Hitleresque dialectic is Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Doctrine that has been used from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II in the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber by the following sophists and propagandists to accuse, condemn, denounce and demonize the Political Left and Liberals:

FOX NEWS & FOX Television Network,
Dick Armey,
John Ashcroft,
Michele Bachmann,
Glen Beck,
Roy Blunt,
John Boehner,
Pat Buchanan,
Dick Cheney,
Tom Coburn,
Ann Coulter,
Tom Delay,
James Dobson,
Bill Frist,
Newt Gingrich,
Phil Gramm,
Sean Hannity,
Dennis Hastert,
James Inhofe,
Bill Kristol,
Rush Limbaugh,
Trent Lott,
Rupert Murdoch,
Don Nichols,
Grover Norquist,
Bill O’Reilly,
Sarah Palin,
Ralph Reed,
Pat Robertson,
Ed Rollins,
Karl Rove,
Arlen Specter,
Bart Stupak,
Donald Rumsfeld,
Phyllis Shlafly, and
George Will to name but a few.

Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS using subjective opinion, claims, and assertions to accuse, condemn, denounce and demonize their victims for their own reprehensible behavior is amorphous nonsense that is and has been disseminated by an organized Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber engaged in Organized Tautological Framing and Inculcation by the use of fulminating and equivocating sophism and propaganda from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II in an organized Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Organized Movement effort to accuse, condemn, denounce and demonize the Left and Liberals Socialism/Communism and the democratic way of life.

It is time for a change.  It is time for an end to organized Hitleresque behavior by the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement.

Per your leader OzarkMichael’s request, a reference to Truthdig’s thread, ‘Hi Ho, Capitalism’:

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20091002_hi_ho_american_capitalism/

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By OzarkMichael, November 15, 2009 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous has promptly found Martha/Thomas fictional construct as the 70% Common Majority, with 20% upwards Noble and the 10% elite Nobility

Shenonymous did this very quickly because she has a clear conscience and is able to answer any question with a little research. But Martha/Thomas has a hard time answering questions so we will nudge her.

Martha/Thomas! did you write the following phrases:

70% MAJORITY Common Population


Common MAJORITY Population of the United States


70% Majority Common Culture and Common Population

Martha/Thomas, is this your way of setting a frame as you imitate Hitler’s Plan STEP #5?

Answer Yes or No.

If you dont answer this simple question i have no choice but to quote you about how easy it is to answer binary questions:

Confronted with a binary choice apparently you don’t have the brain power to scale the noble heights of selecting yes or no.

Will you answer yes or no, Martha? Guess not. Here is more of what Martha/Thomas thinks about it…

What you are saying is that your tiny little knuckle dragging troglodyte Neanderthal mind is incapable of taking responsibility for the consequences of a simple yes or no answer.

Will you ever take responsibilty for the consequences of a simple yes or no answer, Martha/Thomas? Apparently not. More…

If the task is too difficult for your tiny little troglodyte mind, perhaps you can work on it by rote for a while and work your way up to it.

Can you say yes?

Can you say No?

Can you distinguish between yes and no?

Martha/Thomas. You are trapped by your own words. Can you distinguish between yes and no? or is your tiny troglodite brain overcome by the fumes inside your tiny little bucket?

Answer this question!

Are you setting frames just like Hitler did when you hook your own political agenda to your imaginary common majority culture and population?

Answer Yes or No.

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By Shenonymous, November 15, 2009 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

I submit that the fictional construct is the 70% Common Majority, with 20%
upwards Noble and the 10% elite Nobility devised by MA/TG (MarthaA was first to
present it to the forums).  With this hypothetical construct, the framing was then
possible pretending it was a reality.  Once the base was established, it could be
referred to for whatever purpose was intended.  Everything could be attributed to
these three divisions of society whether it was factual or not.

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By Leefeller, November 15, 2009 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

One can not help but notice an increased referencing ON TD, in addition to Ma and her fetish for my Hitlers kumbkackes, other posters seem to have induced quotes from Gotsleeves, Hatelers second in command and Furor for a day.

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By OzarkMichael, November 15, 2009 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

We continue our exploration of Mein Kampf.

I remind the reader that this study of evil is not my idea. It is constantly forced upon us by Martha/Thomas who constantly accuses everyone of following Hitler’s plan. Not satisfied with accusing everyone here, she now accuses a long list of other people and publishes it over and over.

Yet we are surprised to find that if we compare Martha/Thomas methods to Hitler’s methods there are similarities. Not just a few, but similar at every point.

I am not summarizing the similarities here, since it would take too long and we have many Steps ahead. I ask the reader, especially if you are new to this blog, to scroll back so you can follow with a clear understanding.

I give warning: As we delve ever deeper into Hitler’s mind, bringing to light the evil steps that Hitler used to come to power, it is frightening. But it is far more frightening to find Martha/Thomas in this modern day and this modern place is following the same plan. If you are a delicate and innocent person the information might be too shocking for you.

Hitler’s rise to power. Mein Kampf STEP #5

The question of STEP #5 is not simple. Hitler had to find a way to take his own personal evil and somehow propel it into governance. To do this, he could not merely shout, “I want power! I claim it in my own name!”

That wouldnt work. To gain power, Hitler had to attach his evil plan to something bigger. But how is it done? I do not know. So we turn to our expert, Martha/Thomas, who at every point has followed Hitler’s plan so far.

Martha/Thomas said: “Mein Kampf” is “ALL” Hitler and the setting of frames by Hitler to justify his political agenda

Martha/Thomas tells us that Hitler employed a device which she expertly calls the setting of frames.

Setting of frames implies a creative act. Hitler had to bring ideas together that do not belong together. But how does this advance Hitler’s political agenda?

Setting of frames is what hooks Hitler’s personal evil political agenda to something bigger and more powerful than just Hitler himself. The framing is, of course, imaginary. Yet this is where Hitler’s evil plan is expanded and this is where one person’s nightmare agenda gains the force of millions. Sadly, the fact that this is imaginary does not stop it from working.

By the setting of frames Hitler subsumes millions of individuals into an imaginary contruct and then attaches his personal political agenda to that construct. 

What i dont understand yet is how Hitler did it. But Martha/Thomas always knows. Every step of the way she has imitated Hitler.

She must engage in her own setting of frames. By this I mean that she takes her evil plan and attaches it to something bigger. Framing her individual evil ideas with some larger group and thereby gaining the force of millions. After all, she can’t merely say, “My personal view of things must take over! I claim power in my own name!”

No. She needs the power of a majority of millions. But it doesnt have to be real. Remember what Martha/Thomas has taught us…  the setting of frames is a creative act, so she will resort to an imaginary construct.

What is her construct? I dont know.

At this juncture I ask Martha/Thomas to explain her framing to us, but we all know that she gets very quiet when I ask her questions.

Therefore I ask the reader to peruse Martha/Thomas posts to discover how she takes her own political agenda and hooks it up with the force of millions. It is doubly important because if we understand Martha/Thomas, then we will understand Hitler as well.

Find Martha’s artifical construct and you have also found the key to understanding Hitler’s Mein Kampf STEP #5.

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By OzarkMichael, November 14, 2009 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

Today we continue the case of Adolf Hitler: liar, fascist, and mass murderer.

In order to understand Hitler’s method we have found that Martha/Thomas helps us. Not because of scholarship, but because Martha/Thomas is following Hitler’s Playbook to perfection.

Why are we trying to understand Hitler’s Plan as laid out in Mein Kampf? Why would anyone want to study this wretched book and evil plan?

We do this only because Martha/Thomas has insisted upon it, and continues to insist upon it even to this day. I took a long pause to see if she would let it go, but no. Still she goes back to Mein Kampf over and over. In post after post, the obsession with Hitler never stops.

Thus far we have found many dangerous similarities between Hitler and Martha/Thomas, who even admitted to having a Mein Kampf of her own just like Hitler: YOU, OzarkMichael, wish to make my struggle for mass awareness into a personal struggle between YOU and ME

I agree that personal struggles are unimportant. Your big struggle, your Mein Kampf is what we are all interested in, Martha/Thomas. So do not try to make this a personal issue between you and me. That is so subjective of you, and very blah. Most of all it is amorphous when you you try to distract everyone.

Just stick to the objective facts. Cant you be objective just for once?

Now we come to Step V of Hitler’s Plan.

Each step brings us deeper into the heart of evil. It is frightening. I advise the reader with a delicate sensitivity to leave the room before the next post because this wont be pretty.

Step V is crucial or Hitler would never come to power. It is a nightmare that gained power. None of us normal people can understand Hitler’s Plan, it is too twisted and evil. Again, we are at a halt.

I have no choice but to call our expert witness on Mein Kampf to the stand.

Martha/Thomas! on the first 4 steps of Hitler’s Plan you followed Hitler perfectly. I will give you a chance to respond to an introductory question.

You are following the Crucial Step V of Hitler’s Playbook, arent you?

Answer YES or NO

I again warn Martha/Thomas that if she lies there is plenty of evidence to be produced.

I also advise Martha/Thomas to provide a link back to this thread whenever she posts online anywhere so that innocent people can see what Martha/Thomas is really up to, and can see her Mein Kampf ways.

Or is Martha/Thomas trying to hide what she is really doing?

Answer Yes or No.

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By Leefeller, November 13, 2009 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

OM, I will be waiting with Maid Marian and I may invite we will plan on doing the hokey pokey kicking the bucket, you know the right foot kick the left foot kick and do the hokey pokey all over again!

I am feeling giddy, I was just awarded Chicken Little Drivel poster of the year, on another thread. Yes I will be looking forward to it.

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By OzarkMichael, November 13, 2009 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment

I watched Leefeller and the Maid with amusement, but it looks like the show is over here at the Conservative Boilerplate Club.

Perhaps we should pick up the Mein Kampf of Martha/Thomas, and expose more of her Hitleresque ways. I have some time this weekend.

Would that entice you back, Leefeller?

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By Leefeller, November 12, 2009 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

Mr Thomas G, or anyone who may be at home for it seems TG is not, it should be known Thomas G should not be playing with computers, producing such profoundness seems to be over my head and possibly other posters heads as well, and can cause mental disabilites, sort of like Thomas G profoundness may be catching sort of like herpes, let it be clear, I speak only for me self.

ThomasG you invoke tremendous strain and inconvenience on my life and have caused me to cry on occasion, especially when watching the well known TV personality Ken Beck, Seems crass insults are most hurting and the fact they are so constant they need to be stopped!

Only this morning I was in my conservative pool room playing spank the virgin (I love that game)  with maid Marian, when my butler came in and announced their was an important message on my computer from Ken Beck.  Of course I dropped my paddle and Maid Marian and ran the the computer in the study, for I had thought something important had happened, only to find out it was another most not enlightening post from Thomas G.

Thomas G you seem to be the rhetorical of Deadeye, for your prognostications seem so profound, I just do not follow them, nor do I want to. So this is my last post in response to your organic composting, please keep your head in the well known bucket and now I will chase Maid Marian around the pool with Uranus on a stick.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 12, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

So you agree with me that you are acting like a parrot in this case? (Only parrots can actually learn.) Thank you for that acknowledgment.

You just repeated again like some kind of robot or parrot so stop showing me how shallow you are. It is pitiful and an insult to those of us who use our brains for good. You have learned nothing and proven as much too. So far your brain has a use as a door stop.

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By ThomasG, November 12, 2009 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, November 12 at 4:51pm, and Leefeller, November 12 at 4:44pm,

Ditto.

Shenonymous, November 11 at 1:33am and Shenonymous, November 11 at 1:34am,

Your posts are examples of fulminating, equivocating, amorphous nonsense that is told full of sound and fury by you and your Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST ilk of sophists and propagandists that signifies NOTHING, other than Hitleresque subjective opinion—used to deny, complain, accuse, condemn, denounce, demonize and dehumanize political adversaries and use objective subjectification to redefine and present opinion, subjective assertions and amorphous nonsense as objective reality.

Explain the following Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Echo-Chamber sophists and propagandists that have spread Hitleresque sophism and propaganda from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II to the present if you can:

FOX NEWS & FOX TV Network,
Dick Armey,
John Ashcroft,
Michele Bachmann,
Glen Beck,
Roy Blunt,
John Boehner,
Pat Buchanan,
Dick Cheney,
Tom Coburn,
Ann Coulter,
Tom Delay,
James Dobson,
Bill Frist,
Newt Gingrich,
Phil Gramm,
Sean Hannity,
Dennis Hastert,
James Inhofe,
Bill Kristol,
Rush Limbaugh,
Trent Lott,
Rupert Murdoch,
Don Nichols,
Grover Norquist,
Bill O’Reilly,
Sarah Palin,
Ralph Reed,
Pat Robertson,
Ed Rollins,
Karl Rove,
Arlen Specter,
Bart Stupak,
Donald Rumsfeld,
Phyllis Shlafly, and
George Will to name but a few.

All your posts are examples of Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS fulminating and equivocating to conflate Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST complicity in organized sophism and propaganda by scapegoating those who oppose Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST organized Hitleresque sophist propaganda, with being Hitleresque sophist propagandists; this tactic serves two political purposes: the first is that of reducing organized activity down to isolated individual activity and the second is to blame that isolated individual activity on the victims of the organized activity; this is a Hitleresque process that worked well for Adolph Hitler and has worked well in the United States for Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II to the present time.  Examples of this type of behavior in the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber are as previously indicated in the above list.


The only possible answer to blah, is ditto.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 12, 2009 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

ThomasG repeating yourself is no better than shouting over and over. Why don’t you actually write to us and answer Ozark Michael‘s simple interrogatives? But then it would show who you really are and what you really support. Right now you are nothing more than a parrot. Think for yourself man! Break out of that mental prison you are so comfortable residing in and stop propagandizing to us.

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By Leefeller, November 12, 2009 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

ThomasG
You might like to know, on another post I wrote a small autobiography and dissertation on my personal reason over the past and present obsession of Uranus!

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By ThomasG, November 12, 2009 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 11 at 1:33am and Shenonymous, November 11 at 1:34am,

Your posts are examples of fulminating, equivocating, amorphous nonsense that is told full of sound and fury by you and your Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST ilk of sophists and propagandists that signifies NOTHING, other than Hitleresque subjective opinion—used to deny, complain, accuse, condemn, denounce, demonize and dehumanize political adversaries and use objective subjectification to redefine and present opinion, subjective assertions and amorphous nonsense as objective reality.

Explain the following Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Echo-Chamber sophists and propagandists that have spread Hitleresque sophism and propaganda from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II to the present if you can:

FOX NEWS & FOX TV Network,
Dick Armey,
John Ashcroft,
Michele Bachmann,
Glen Beck,
Roy Blunt,
John Boehner,
Pat Buchanan,
Dick Cheney,
Tom Coburn,
Ann Coulter,
Tom Delay,
James Dobson,
Bill Frist,
Newt Gingrich,
Phil Gramm,
Sean Hannity,
Dennis Hastert,
James Inhofe,
Bill Kristol,
Rush Limbaugh,
Trent Lott,
Rupert Murdoch,
Don Nichols,
Grover Norquist,
Bill O’Reilly,
Sarah Palin,
Ralph Reed,
Pat Robertson,
Ed Rollins,
Karl Rove,
Arlen Specter,
Bart Stupak,
Donald Rumsfeld,
Phyllis Shlafly, and
George Will to name but a few.

All your posts are examples of Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS fulminating and equivocating to conflate Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST complicity in organized sophism and propaganda by scapegoating those who oppose Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST organized Hitleresque sophist propaganda, with being Hitleresque sophist propagandists; this tactic serves two political purposes: the first is that of reducing organized activity down to isolated individual activity and the second is to blame that isolated individual activity on the victims of the organized activity; this is a Hitleresque process that worked well for Adolph Hitler and has worked well in the United States for Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II to the present time.  Examples of this type of behavior in the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber are as previously indicated in the above list.

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By Shenonymous, November 10, 2009 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment

Make that psycho-babble!  hahahahahaha

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By Shenonymous, November 10, 2009 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment

Now the psycho-ballbe of the Bucket has assigned OzarkMichael as the
“leader” of the “pack,”  the pack that Bucket invented.  Bucket
makes that assignment because OzarkMichael has caught the duopoly of
thomas/martha in their own web and as splendidly exposed their deceit.

Bucket refuses to answer the authentic and justifiable questions long
ago put to him, but he is impeded from answering because of the Superglued
bucket that sits on his head.

The only agenda I have is as I have stated, to counterargue everything
Bucket says that makes sense.  Nothing makes sense.  So I win by
default.  I remain singularly responsible for my own free-thinking subjective
mind.  Now here is a bit of irony:  Bucket is a Truthdig advertisement for
Fox News and Fox Television Network.  That is definitely George Carlin funny. 
But it could be another part of Bucket’s own Hitler strategy he and
martha have been exposed to advocate.  You decide.

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By ThomasG, November 10, 2009 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

Donald Duck, Minnie Mouse, Daffy Duck, Goofy, Leefeller, November 10 at 7:02am, Night-Gaunt, November 10 at 3:05am, Shenonymous, November 9 at 10:51pm, and your Leader, OzarkMichael, who sets your agenda:

Subjective reactionary blah that is NO ANSWER to my post.

You have subjective opinions and subjective claims of credibility that are NOT credible the same as the following list of sophists and propagandists that are a part of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber that have been fulminating subjective opinion and subjective claims as objective fact, since the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and as a result have NO Objective Credibility AT ALL:

FOX NEWS and FOX Television Network,
Dick Armey,
John Ashcroft,
Michele Bachmann,
Glen Beck,
Roy Blunt,
John Boehner,
Pat Buchanan,
Dick Cheney,
Tom Coburn,
Ann Coulter,
Tom Delay,
James Dobson,
Bill Frist,
Newt Gingrich,
Phil Gramm,
Sean Hannity,
Dennis Hastert,
James Inhofe,
Bill Kristol,
Rush Limbaugh,
Trent Lott,
Rupert Murdoch,
Don Nichols,
Grover Norquist,
Bill O’Reilly,
Sarah Palin,
Ralph Reed,
Pat Robertson,
Ed Rollins,
Karl Rove,
Arlen Specter,
Bart Stupak,
Donald Rumsfeld,
Phyllis Shlafly, and
George Will to name but a few.

What is it that distinguishes your subjective opinions and subjective claims of credibility, that are in effect a lack of credibility, from the lack of credibility of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST media echo-chamber sophists and propagandists on the above list?  Right-Wingers always subjectively claim to be credible, but there is NEVER any objective evidence; however, there is much objective evidence from their past activities to show that they are NOT credible. A Right-Winger’s opinion of their own credibility is subjective credibility and is in no way the same as objective evidence of objective credibility.

Try again.

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By Leefeller, November 10, 2009 at 3:02 am Link to this comment

Just B cause:

Causes must be simple, for the deluded fanatic needs to feed the delusion.  As Hitlers followers were told to follow; Hitler with the hart and not follow Hitler with the mind; out of context but it went something like that.

One only need read the many seemingly deluded ones on TD to know reason has no place in their daily rants.(of course my rants are not daily)  Tg seems the most perfect fanatic, being the simplest of all, he she or it is the programed minds perfect fanatic.

It should be known, when a cause becomes rational and makes sense, it looses what attracted and called to the deluded in the beginning, the fanatic will search for another cause, for they feel downtrodden, upset or even dislike themselves and mostly do not like taking the blame.  The cause creates focus and meaning in the fanatics life, Dislike of the present means the fanatic will prefer to fight for a cause in the future.  This is opposed to a person who is comfortable in the present who would not fight for a cause.

What seems interesting to me is how does one choose a cause?  Finding the most noble cause? It seems for the fanatics, the cause they are with now is the most noble, but if opportunity provided itself, they could just as well be on another cause.  For the cause has not reason other than being the cause. 

So, for example Tg who seems he may really believe his cause which seems to be Communism,  it fulfills a need and provides a feeling of worth and community with other similar fanatics. (In Tg’s case it may only be two), it seems Tg could just as well be a follower of Hitler or Stalin, for the present is not to his liking, what seems confusing to me, he seems to support Obama, maybe it is believed Obamas will promote socialism which may be followed by the preferred fetish of Communism?

This seems so Tea Bag!

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By Night-Gaunt, November 9, 2009 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

ThomasG when you repeat yourself over and over you show just how little you have in that intellectual reservior of yours. None of us have written anything that is like in “Mein Kampf” but you can prove otherwise by taking our quotes and comparing them to what is in the manual of the NS to take over and rule a country. Not any more of your useless, amorphous generalities either. Can You? Dare You? Will You? I think not for you don’t have the fortitude or basis for such a comparison as you continue to lie to all of us here. Better to return the bucket to your head and the rest of us can go on with our separate lives.

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By Shenonymous, November 9, 2009 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

Continuation of putting ThomasG the Bucket’s selected quotes by
Shenonymous in context.  Again, I am pleased to have the opportunity to
recount my very pertinent comments.  And as you tried to wiggle your butt into
being the accused, what a laugh! you discriminated the next three quotes. 

ThomasG, the Bucket, November 4 at 5:18 pm
Shenonymous, November 4 at 6:02 pm
5. We, enmass, (Shenonymous, Night-Gaunt, & Leefeller) cheer him on or
haven’t YOU been reading the comments!  The YOU who YOU defend is a
personality duopoly and therefore his response is always to that siamesic
arrangement TG/MA.
 

We, each of us, are grateful for OzarkMichael’s intrepid determination to
expose thomas/martha, it is not unsual for a set of people to cheer the
fellow on.  You have tried to make a mountain out of a molehill. You still have
the molehill.

6. When YOU speak to OzarkMichael, YOU speak to all of us (Shenonymous,
Night-Gaunt, & Leefeller) who see through YOUR curtain of obfuscation.  YOUR
use of the Hitlerian principles of fascism.

Since we are the fabricated alliance you created, you made it necessary we
speak in unison.  We are reluctant associates!  We remain independent fro each
other and unique thinkers with different political ideologies. This independence
is what frightens you.  It is you who attempt to force your view on not only us,
but everyone!  It is your fascist tactic, an attempt to ravage our individuality
and force onto us the mantle of an extremist coalition. 

7.  We are inexhaustible and also know that YOUR comments are limited to
this website.  No one really (except for one fan) is voicing support for YOU. 
And no one is absorbing YOUR views, or haven’t YOU noticed.  No, I guess with
a bucket on YOUR head YOU cannot notice much of anything.
 

With reference to the previous accusations:
It was you who created the unlikely partnership of (OzarkMichael,
Shenonymous, Night-Gaunt, & Leefeller), and it was you who repeatedly and
baselessly accuse me and the others of being Hitlerian in thought, word, and
deed, when in fact it is the duopoly thomas/martha that
OzarkMichael had the intellectual acuity to see through the deception, so
it is YOU who are the real neo-incarnation of Hitler-tacticians.  The alliance
(OzarkMichael, Shenonymous, Night-Gaunt, & Leefeller) is a fiction, and we
remain independent thinkers with unique political principles.  Because of the
energy that comes from our essential independence, we are boundless in our
resistance to you.  You have failed because we are ‘inexhaustible,’ our
individual energies will defeat you. 

It is you who have no principles.  It is you who have no leader nor followers.  It
is you who have a vacuous and inert political program.

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By ThomasG, November 9, 2009 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, November 9 at 6:28pm,

You have subjective opinions and subjective claims of credibility that are NOT credible the same as the following list of sophists and propagandists that are a part of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber that have been fulminating subjective opinion and subjective claims as objective fact, since the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and as a result have NO Objective Credibility AT ALL:

FOX NEWS and FOX Television Network,
Dick Armey,
John Ashcroft,
Michele Bachmann,
Glen Beck,
Roy Blunt,
John Boehner,
Pat Buchanan,
Dick Cheney,
Tom Coburn,
Ann Coulter,
Tom Delay,
James Dobson,
Bill Frist,
Newt Gingrich,
Phil Gramm,
Sean Hannity,
Dennis Hastert,
James Inhofe,
Bill Kristol,
Rush Limbaugh,
Trent Lott,
Rupert Murdoch,
Don Nichols,
Grover Norquist,
Bill O’Reilly,
Sarah Palin,
Ralph Reed,
Pat Robertson,
Ed Rollins,
Karl Rove,
Arlen Specter,
Bart Stupak,
Donald Rumsfeld,
Phyllis Shlafly, and
George Will to name but a few.

What is it that distinguishes your subjective opinions and subjective claims of credibility, that are in effect a lack of credibility, from the lack of credibility of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST media echo-chamber sophists and propagandists on the above list?  Right-Wingers always subjectively claim to be credible, but there is NEVER any objective evidence; however, there is much objective evidence from their past activities to show that they are NOT credible.  A Right-Winger’s opinion of their own credibility is subjective credibility and is in no way the same as objective evidence of objective credibility.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 9, 2009 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

Actually it is you first on that. I dare say my credibility is quite high here unlike you. Credibility is from others whether right or wrong. You are wrong.

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By ThomasG, November 9, 2009 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, November 9 at 8:07pm, and Shenonymous, November 9 at 8:57pm,

Accusations of negative credibility from those who are negatively credible means NOTHING.

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By Shenonymous, November 9, 2009 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment

Even Shenonymous, the vulgar wants a place in which to be the best
vulgar She can be, Bucket  Truthdig is a perfect place.  Your cherry
picking of quotes is humorous at best.  To understand them, one would have to
read the entire post in context and the previous post by you to see the nature
of the response by me.  What you have presented proves nothing, as usual. 
You have not answered any of my questions.  Do that and I will be happy to
answer yours. 

Even though we are noticeably different in our political beliefs, we have been
grouped together by you.  Thrown together into a fictional tribe called The
Boiler Room Blah Contingent.  It is a clever tactic but not successful.  Each of
us, OzarkMichael, NIght-Gaunt, Leefeller, (and ardee occasionally when you
feel like including him), and myself, Shenonymous
are remarkably different
individuals.  You attempt to strip us each of our individuality, our identity, and
our distinctness .  You attempt to blur our differences so you can invent a
goliath to strike at.  But you are a failure.  We each of us remain our individual
selves and care not a whit about you or your communistic based program.  You
cannot force us into a collective body hard as you try.  Look at how long you
have been at it.  You are a miserable failure.  And you have failed to figure out
how to get that bucket off your head.

Let’s take your selected quotes and put them back in context: Format—
First you, then my reply in context.

What exactly is there to deny?

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By Shenonymous, November 9, 2009 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

All quotes from this forum:  The War on Language
Responding rationally and methodically:

1.  See Bucket, October 30 at 1:28 pm
To include the following quote in this current post, I can only surmise TG was
cranky at my later post Oct. 31 at 8:08 am.  OM’s reference to She is anecdotal
at any rate.

A quote from OzarkMichael, October 31 at 9:51pm, on Shenonymous’ ability
for research.  Can anyone here plumb the depth of unspeakable evil and get
inside Hitler’s mind? Shenonymous is our most scholarly Truthdigger whom we
rely on to figure out complicated things, and she already took the trouble to
buy Mein Kampf, but unfortunately she can barely stand to read that
abominable book, let alone try to penetrate Hitler’s thoughts.

Since OM and She are only distantly acquainted through Truthdig forums, he is
merely conjecturing about Her buying Mein Kampf.  I didn’t have to buy it, I
already had it as I am an academic scholar and literally have hundreds of books
in my private library. 

Thank you Bucket for giving me the opportunity to repeat entire quotes.

2.  See Bucket, October 30 at 1:28 pm
Shenonymous, October 31 at 4:14pm Have you seen either ThomasG
or MarthaA deny the exposure of their real identity and intent?  This has been
observed by both OzarkMichael and myself, two who reside on absolutely and
completely different shores when it comes to political and religious ideology? 
And Night-Gaunt has unveiled them, as well as ardee, and Leefeller
acknowledges with his incisive wit.  All of us, quite disparately ideologues, have
been thrown into the same “boiler room” which is laughable.
 

3.  See Bucket, November 4 at 5:18 pm
Shenonymous, November 4 at 3:02pm I do not see OzarkMichael’s
expose of YOU/martha as a personal struggle between YOU and him.  He has
far transcended YOUR pitiful mundanity. He speaks for all of us, and amazingly
even though we disagree with his ideology.  YOU have caused us to unify!

4.  See:  Bucket, November 8 at 6:23 pm
Shenonymous, November 8 at 7:03 pm My tactic is obvious.  To
counterargue everything ThomasG presents.  The machine, ThomasG, only has
a few phrases that is copy/pasted for every single post.  The robot, ThomasG,
could generate a list that is twice as long as the one listed in the last post,
three times as long and I would rebuke every one.

Bucket has listed eight more quotes that is supposed to prove something
which he hasn’t actually specified what except that I use vulgar language to
which I have previously admitted.  So he takes up TD space with inanities. 
Since I have a life outside of Truthdig (don’t you?), I will continue throughout
the day to post the rest of your selections.  Seen in context they are self
explanatory and do not show what you are trying to invent and hence, you fail
at your intention, Bucket.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 9, 2009 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

You won’t put up when a question is given to you. You are the only one of amorphous (shapeless) nonsense. And you will stay that way till you do. Answer the question given to you by Ozark Michael but you don’t have the back bone of your convictions to do it. And that is as concrete and sensical as it gets.

You have negative credibility here because of it.

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By ThomasG, November 9, 2009 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, November 9 at 1:06am,

Amorphous nonsense.

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By ThomasG, November 9, 2009 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 8 at 11:25pm,

As Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST sophists and propagandists, YOU and YOUR ilk represent the Republican Party, the Party of NO, the Party of NO ideas and solutions, of self-serving accusation, condemnation, denunciation, DENIAL, complaint, and demonization; and YOU and YOUR ilk’s DENIAL of YOUR own reprehensible behavior is the same as the behavior of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement from Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II together with the Hitleresque sophists and propagandists of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber as follows:

FOX NEWS and FOX Television Network,
Dick Armey,
John Ashcroft,
Michele Bachmann,
Glen Beck,
Roy Blunt,
Pat Buchanan,
Dick Cheney,
Tom Coburn,
Ann Coulter,
Tom Delay,
James Dobson,
Bill Frist,
Newt Gingrich,
Phil Gramm,
Sean Hannity,
Dennis Hastert,
James Inhofe,
Bill Kristol,
Rush Limbaugh,
Trent Lott,
Rupert Murdoch,
Don Nichols,
Grover Norquist,
Bill O’Reilly,
Sarah Palin,
Ralph Reed,
Pat Robertson,
Ed Rollins,
Karl Rove,
Arlen Specter,
Donald Rumsfeld,
Phyllis Shlafly, and
George Will to name but a few.

The following are a few admissions as per your request that refute you and your ilk’s DENIALS:

Shenonymous is our most scholarly Truthdigger whom we rely on to figure out complicated things, and she alredy took the trouble to buy Mein Kampf,” —OzarkMichael, October 31 at 9:51 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com

“This has been observed by both OzarkMichael and myself,”—Shenonymous, October 31 at 4:14 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com

“He [OzarkMichael] speaks for all of us” —Shenonymous, November 4 at 3:02 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com

“My tactic is obvious. To counterargue everything ThomasG presents.” —Shenonymous, November 8 at 4:03 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com

“We, enmass[Shenonymous, Night-Gaunt, & Leefeller], cheer him [OzarkMichael] on or haven’t YOU been reading the comments!—Shenonymous, November 4 at 3:02 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com

“When YOU speak to OzarkMichael, YOU speak to all of us [Shenonymous, Leefeller, & Night-Gaunt]—Shenonymous, November 4 at 3:02 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com

“We are inexhaustible [ Boiler Room ] and also know that YOUR comments are limited to this website.” —Shenonymous, November 4 at 3:02 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com

OzarkMichael, who represents all [Night-Gaunt,Leefeller, & Shenonymous] of us! —Shenonymous, November 4 at 3:02 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com

“I am much more vulgar, though, than my allies.  (Allies?  what a laugh, comrades for a common cause maybe, but not allies.” —Shenonymous, November 1 at 10:40 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com

“This is one liberal who never imagined She would ever see the day when She would root for a RWECR—Shenonymous, November 1 at 2:13 am, War on Language, Truthdig.com

“I am a liberal,” —Shenonymous, October 31 at 4:14 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com

“I dare say even the worker unions would bring out their bats to break the socialists’ knees.”—Shenonymous, October 31 at 4:14 pm, War on Language, Truthdig.com


BTW, Shenonymous, You have said in the past that Truthdig is a small blog and has a small following and that MarthaA and ThomasG shouldn’t be bothered with it, but could you tell us why on this thread YOU, OzarkMichael, Night-Gaunt and Leefeller, are all bothered with this small Truthdig blog that you say has very little following?—YOU, even to the point of proudly using vulgar language?

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By Night-Gaunt, November 8, 2009 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

ThomasG you are projecting again considering how Ozark Michael proved you are the one using Hitler‘s “Mein Kampf” (“My Struggle”) for your own purposes. Come clean, make the break to the truth of what you support. He put up and you did not. The ball is in your court though considering you it probably is a bomb of sorts in a metaphoric sense.

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By Shenonymous, November 8, 2009 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment

{b]Bucket Please produce the post(s) where this is made true: “You have
admitted to being part of the boiler room contingent and in a past post
you admitted that OzarkMichael is your leader and by YOUR boiler room
contingent’s advocation for and support of Hitleresque subjective sophism
and propaganda
, you have admitted to being Hitleresque sophists and
propagandists.”
  I do admit to having been delegated BY YOU to a Boiler
Room Blah Contingent only to humor your insanity.  There is no such thing as a
Boiler Room Blah Contingent, it is a fiction, hence it is not a truth.  You have
attempted to create a web of lies but you fail.  You are a perpetual liar and do
not have any sense of empathy, hence no conscience that would provide a base
for truth. 

You are not part of anything except martha.  You have admitted to being
part of martha.  If you want any answers from me, you must answer my
listed questions first.

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By ThomasG, November 8, 2009 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 8 at 9:32pm,

You have admitted to being part of the boiler room contingent and in a past post you admitted that OzarkMichael is your leader and by YOUR boiler room contingent’s advocation for and support of Hitleresque subjective sophism and propaganda, you have admitted to being Hitleresque sophists and propagandists.

As an admitted Hitleresque sophist propagandist working in a Right-Wing EXTREMIST Boiler Room under the leadership of OzarkMichael, if you want cooperation, get it from OzarkMichael or someone else there in the boiler room and respond to my posts concerning the list of Hitleresque sophists and propagandists that have been accusing, condemning, denouncing and demonizing the Left and liberals from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II to the present.

I am not a part of YOUR Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST boiler room contingent——get one of them to go first, I am not interested.

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By Shenonymous, November 8, 2009 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

Nope, you first, ThomasG.  The Boiler Room Blah Contingent has been
asking you questions for a long longer and you are required to answer.  Then I
will be happy, yes, I said happy, to answer yours.

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By ThomasG, November 8, 2009 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 8 at 7:44pm,

You first, I am still waiting for YOU to get past vulgar equivocation and ingenuously answer my last two posts on this thread— titles listed as follows:

“By ThomasG, November 8 at 3:23 pm #

Shenonymous, November 8 at 12:48am,

Right-Wing EXTREMIST Sophism and Propaganda

(Part 1 of 2)

and

By ThomasG, November 8 at 3:17 pm #

Shenonymous, November 8 at 12:48am,

Right-Wing EXTREMIST Sophism and Propaganda

(Part 2 of 2)”

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By Shenonymous, November 8, 2009 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

You, ThomasG have dodged answering the questions I’ve listed below.  Do
that and you will earn the respect of my answers to your questions.  Do not
answer, and you can continue to enjoy your life with a bucket on your head.

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By ThomasG, November 8, 2009 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 8 at 4:03pm,

More subjective opinion and babbling, blathering blah without an answer to my post.

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By Shenonymous, November 8, 2009 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

I can keep this up indefinitely ThomasG.  Since you are a writing
machine, I have devised my own writing machine.  So it is Gog versus Magog! 
Be it known.  Patefactus sum

Your tactic is mechanical and represents no human rational thinking.  There is
no evidence that you have any feeling for humanity.  Therefore I do not
recognize anything written as having any validity nor human basis.  The entity
known as ThomasG copy/pastes and has a non-human agenda.  About
the new list generated by the machine with a bucket on its head, the robotic
with a bucket on its head known as ThomasG, I hereby stand as rebuking
all individuals whose name appears on the list.  Therefore, the robot
ThomasG has no mechanical prosthetic to stand on.

My tactic is obvious. To counterargue everything ThomasG presents. 
The machine ThomasG only has a few phrases that is copy/pasted for
every single post.  The robot ThomasG could generate a list that is twice
as long as the one listed in the last post, three times as long and I would
rebuke every one. So what is the robot’s point?  It cannot understand what is
said as it is merely a copy/paste machine.  It has no existent point.  It’s babble
is widely known now and I will continue to refute it.  It can only babble because
it has a bucket on its head.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 8, 2009 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

The fact that you so label us as “extreme right wingers” is ludicrous considering we are not by our very words. However, we all disagree with how you write and attack on this forum. That is our sin against you and you monomaniacal ways and we know others like that in the past as one you use so often as Ozark Michael has pointed out and his name begins with the letter “H.” So you put us in the same bin as them. Sad but true.

As for “boiler room” you and MarthaA would fit that identity better as to how you both “write” exactly the same way. Now that is boiler room. How say you on that?

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By ThomasG, November 8, 2009 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 8 at 12:48am,

Right-Wing EXTREMIST Sophism and Propaganda

(Part 1 of 2)

Tell me about the accusation, condemnation, denunciation, demonization and subjectification of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement, the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media echo-chamber, the lumpen-proletariat toadies and minions sucking up to the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS commanded by God to do so by the Right-Wing Evangelical Movement and the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Boiler Room Operations with their paid sophists and propagandists spreading their messages of hate for the Republican Party, the Party of NO ideas and NO solutions, other than to accuse, condemn, denounce, and complain as YOU and the rest of YOUR boiler room sophists are doing, have done and will no doubt continue to do, because that is what “you people” there in the boiler room are paid to do.

Politics is NOT personal, politics is about exercising power and control, and marginalizing those who say anything to the contrary.

I am certain that YOU and YOUR minders there in the boiler room, as well as the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement and the Party of NO, the Republican Party, would like to get out of explaining and accounting for the Hitleresque sophistry and propaganda of the following Hitleresque sophists and propagandists as follows:

FOX NEWS and FOX Television Network,
Dick Armey,
John Ashcroft,
Michele Bachmann,
Glen Beck,
Roy Blunt,
Pat Buchanan,
Dick Cheney,
Tom Coburn,
Ann Coulter,
Tom Delay,
James Dobson,
Bill Frist,
Newt Gingrich,
Phil Gramm,
Sean Hannity,
Dennis Hastert,
James Inhofe,
Bill Kristol,
Rush Limbaugh,
Trent Lott,
Rupert Murdoch,
Don Nichols,
Grover Norquist,
Bill O’Reilly,
Sarah Palin,
Ralph Reed,
Pat Robertson,
Ed Rollins,
Karl Rove,
Arlen Specter,
Donald Rumsfeld,
Phyllis Shlafly, and
George Will to name but a few.

YOUR tactics and the tactics of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement, as represented by the foregoing list of Hitleresque sophists and propagandists, is to use subjective claims to intentionally subjectify “objective reality” and, by engaging in personal attacks against those who bring up the use of Hitleresque sophism and propaganda by Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS, as a Movement Agenda, to divert attention from the fact that Hitleresque sophism and propaganda is the expedient political means of choice by the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement to achieve their desired ends; however, the “cats are now out of the bag” with regard to the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement and the Republican Party using Hitleresque sophism and propaganda as their political means to achieve their political ends, and I don’t think it will be possible for the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement to herd the cats back into the bag.

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By ThomasG, November 8, 2009 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 8 at 12:48am,

Right-Wing EXTREMIST Sophism and Propaganda

(Part 2 of 2)

YOU and the rest of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement will have to deal with the consequences of YOUR OWN behavior.  The time is past when YOU can blame others for the greedy, self-serving destructive behavior of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement by blaming that behavior off on others.

I have given YOU examples of Hitleresque sophists and propagandists that have been operating in support of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Agenda and the Party of NO, the Republican Party, from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II.  If YOU can make a case for the Party of NO’s reprehensible behavior, do so.  I expect that YOU and YOUR, so called, heavy-hitting leader will not do so, and will continue to engage in accusation, condemnation, denunciation, demonization and subjectifications as a cover up for YOUR OWN activity, much as a cat in a litter box.

A point of interest you will note that YOU, Shenonymous, OzarkMichael, Leefeller and Night-Gaunt were not of due significance to be on the above list.  YOU people are light weight paid toilers working for money in a Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST boiler room that parrots the rhetoric of the Hitleresque sophistry and propaganda that YOU are required to heel to by YOUR minders, and as paid toilers do not qualify for a list of anything other than a list of Right-Wing employees, paid toilers working for money in a Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST boiler room.

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By Shenonymous, November 7, 2009 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

So you retreat ThomasG and attempt to cover your bucket with an
immunizing hood of innocence and persecution.  Ah, you wish to take on the
picture you have painted of those who disagree with you, those who are
innocent and who you persecute!  SlickTommy!  You cannot remove the
bucket that way!  You cannot stand to experience the kind of accusation you
wield yourself. 

So the shoe of condemnation is on your foot!  You wiggle with your feeble
protests, but be careful since martha shoots wigglers dead.  Oh yes, it
is about you
. It is about your derangement of the mind, to think that anyone
would give up their free thinking sanity for your corruption of beliefs.  You see,
you are caught in the spider-web of your own making since your panel of 12
pathetics have been thoroughly been rebuked by yours truly (ahem, me) in my
tenure on Truthdig.  But if you didn’t catch them, here, I rebuke them now to
go on record again.  You are caught as a spider liar.  You have tried to squirm
out of answering by postering a charade, a fraud of answers.  It is pure monkey
business, more monkey doo doo.  Your subterfuge does not work, it is inert. 
Sieg Heil Herr ThomasG

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By ThomasG, November 7, 2009 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 5 at 4:44pm [a double post of Shenonymous, November 5 at 4:42pm [OzarkMichael Reposts], Leefeller, November 5 at 11:51am, Night-Gaunt, November 4 at 12:52am, Night-Gaunt, November 5 at 1:09am, and OzarkMichael, November 5 at 1:17am,

Amorphous Hitleresque nonsense to cover up the fact that YOU, OzarkMichael, and all of YOUR Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST minions there in YOUR Right-Wing boiler room are using accusation, condemnation, denunciation and demonization as answers to my questions as a tactic out of Adolph Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”.

I do not need to ask you if you agree or disagree, because it is self-evident by your posts, your lack of response to my posts and your parroting back to me what I have told you, because YOU are not creative enough to do otherwise, that you are indeed following Hitleresque protocol, and in line with Hitleresque protocol, YOU are accusing, condemning, denouncing and vilifying me for pointing out that YOU are following Hitleresque protocol.

It is clear for all who have eyes to see and ears to hear that YOU and all of YOUR Right-Wing EXTREMIST cronies and minions in YOUR boiler room are following Hitleresque protocol, and that YOU want to frame ME, the Left and liberals as the Jews that are awaiting the final solution.

This is not about ME; YOU and all of your boiler room minions are too small minded for it to be about YOU and YOUR cronies and boiler room minions.

This is about the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST sophism and propaganda echo-chamber that have been using Hitleresque protocol based upon “Mein Kampf” from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II to the present; if you want proof of this, YOU need only to tune in to the Hitleresque sophism and propaganda of the following Right-Wing Conservative sophists and propagandists who disseminate their sophism and propaganda on a daily basis on their own television and radio programs and in the media echo-chamber:

FOX NEWS and FOX Television Network,
Glen Beck,
Pat Buchanan,
Dick Cheney,
Newt Gingrich,
Sean Hannity,
Bill Kristol,
Rush Limbaugh,
Rupert Murdoch,
Grover Norquist,
Bill O’Reilly,
Ralph Reed, and
Karl Rove to name but a few.

BTW, The list of Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS that I have provided are in answer to YOUR questions.

Perhaps, since I have given YOU an objective answer to YOUR questions, YOU will be so kind as to provide an objective answer to MY questions in return, as you NEVER do, and I do not expect you will now.

With regard to free speech:  Organized sophistry and propaganda that intentionally accuses, condemns, denounces and demonizes as a precursor to a minority population gaining political power and control, and in turn using that power and control to effect genocide, the final solution, upon those who they have previously accused, condemned, denounced and demonized; is NOT free speech; it is part of the process of genocide, as was aptly demonstrated by Adolph Hitler’s use of sophism and propaganda to accuse, condemn, denounce, and demonize those populations who were later rounded up, placed into concentration camps and exterminated.

Thank you all for your continued cooperation with regard to dialogue concerning Hitleresque dialectic and framing that uses opinion to subjectify objective facts as a tool to lead the masses of the population against their best interests as Hitler and Mussolini did, and as the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement has done in the United States from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II and continue to do so at the present time.

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By Shenonymous, November 7, 2009 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

I don’t know how Leefeller does it so well with just one word!  He is a
Truthdig Treasure. 

Well if I’m going to be a fine example of anything, I will be the finest example
even if it is what I am not!  I am a high achiever!  A HA, while you are an AH! 
hahahahaha…..

ThomasG, you are tiresomely lost in a futile egocentrism.  You don’t
seem to get it, I don’t give a flying fig what the f you think or say.  You never
say anything important.  I’ve made my case and you are the fool with the
bucket!  Everybody can see it.  And you keep up your fascist/communism dog
and pony show without ever answering any questions put to you.  I gave you a
bargain, you answer questions, I will answer questions.  You are also now a
piker.  Mannn, a Mute Piker with a Bucket.  The Beast of Truth has spoken.

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By Leefeller, November 7, 2009 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

Tg, Uranus!

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By ThomasG, November 7, 2009 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 4 at 6:02pm,

Another fine example of Hitleresque dialectic by a self-admitted minority clique of Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS using accusation, condemnation, denunciation, demonization, and subjectification FRAMING of what others say, as the only answer you or your cohorts are capable of giving, to avoid an objective response that cannot be supported by Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST doctrine.

Please continue——this is another fine example of subjective Hitleresque dialogue and framing from Adolph Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”, that substitutes subjective opinion for objective fact.  Thank you for your continuing help and assistance with regard to getting broad understanding disseminated concerning the combination of subjective opinion with objective fact, so that objective fact becomes subjectified and both subjective opinion and subjectified fact becomes accepted as objective fact.

With regard to YOUR self-admitted Hitleresque clique of Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS, lurking around on the Truthdig forum trying to spread Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Doctrine and pretending that YOUR dialogue is meant as preaching YOUR doctrine to YOUR OWN choir, I have heard this claim before, and in the past this claim has always been made just prior to the blog being shut down, to prevent further dissemination of information that others tell me that they find very helpful with regard to getting past Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST sophism and propaganda to a broader understanding that better serves their best interest.

If Truthdig is indeed a liberal forum those who look in, in great numbers, and have a tendency to overload the servers will be appreciated, and capacity will be added to accommodate their use of the Truthdig forum.

If otherwise and Truthdig is not meant to be an instrument of dissemination of Left and Liberal doctrine and dialogue, Truthdig will cease to exist, if it can no longer primarily serve the interests of disseminating Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Doctrine to the exclusion of doctrine of the Left and Liberals.

As I have said before, when the point of diminishing returns of Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Doctrine is reached and the tipping point swings to the Left and Liberals, in the past, other blogs that I have been on that were Right-Wing blogs pretending to be Left-Wing forums have simply shut down.

I am hopeful that Truthdig will be a forum that will embrace upgrades to accommodate the masses of the Left and Liberals looking in on their forum and will not consider their forum unproductive if it does not fulfill the aims of Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Doctrine from boiler room sophists and propagandists trying to promote a Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Agenda meant to accuse, condemn, denounce, demonize and kill the Left and liberals.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 5, 2009 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

It seems that MarthaA/ThomasG do not understand that free speech is that type you or I don’t like or agree with. The rest of that freedom includes dissecting it for flaws whether it is the Nazi apologists who say that 12-17 million Jews an others (homosexuals, Romany, Communists, Socialists etc.) weren’t systematically murdered by the Germans and their allies or those who say that Israel can’t be criticized even if it does things that are also classified as war crimes. All or nothing, only in various kinds of dictatorships and near ones is speech regulated and disagreements over the gov’t are suppressed. NO favoritism. What say both of you?

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By Shenonymous, November 5, 2009 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

More questions not answered by Martha/Thomas:

OzarkMichael asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
Answer objectively, yes or no. Have you complained about capitalists
controlling the press, and recommended a legal campaign to suppress those
who (you claim) are propagating lies? And haven’t you done this in the name of
the common people?

Martha/Thomas. Who is the only one who goes to all the trouble to emulate the
style of Adolf Hitler’s speeches?

Who is the one who writes steaming piles of Hitler-inspired crap?

Martha/Thomas, who emulates Hitler?

Now Martha/Thomas, who emulates Hitler’s style?

Its you, isnt it?

?From Martha/Thomas: All I am saying is that our country, the United States,
needs law and order to regulate SOPHISM and EXTREMIST PROPAGANDA by this
Martha/Thomas means anyone who disagrees with her and that violation of the
law must be a punishable offense

OzarkMichael asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
The similarities between Hitler’s Mein Kampf and the Martha/Thomas Mein
Kampf are stunning. Both place a heavy emphasis on law and order as an
excuse to suppress free speech.

Martha/Thomas, why do [you] want a legal campaign to suppress free speech?

Why do you follow Hitler’s Playbook?

Did you know you were following Hitler’s Playbook?

OzarkMichael asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
We have barely started to present the evidence, and one almost suspects that
before its over Martha/Thomas will blab out that she has a swastika in
her house somewhere.

?So lets get it over with. Do you have a swastika in your house,
Martha/Thomas?
_______________
Night-Gaunt asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
...the next phase of the “boiler room” expose of the ardent propagandists or
are they just programs? Or are they humans reduced to machines? Or are they
just poor people in need of deprogramming?

ThomasG presented three steps:
Step One is a deliberately induced economic collapse of the National
Economy.
_______________
Shenonymous asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
Deliberately as seen by what?

Step Two is deliberately created political paralysis of Representative Democracy
as a function of the Government with regard to making and enforcing law and
order that is representative of the best interests of the masses of the
population.

Shenonymous asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
Deliberately created by whom exactly?
What exactly are the best interests of the masses of the population?

Step Three is deliberately induced and spread psychological hysteria in the
masses of the population that cuts the ground from under habitual patterns of
everyday life by way of massive unemployment and monetary chaos that is
sufficient to fill even those who still have jobs with dread, foreboding and a
sense of insecurity.

Shenonymous asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
Deliberately induced by whom exactly?
Spread what kind of psychological hysteria?
What are the habitual patterns of every day life, exactly, ThomasG?

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By Shenonymous, November 5, 2009 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

More questions not answered by Martha/Thomas:

OzarkMichael asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
Answer objectively, yes or no. Have you complained about capitalists controlling the press, and recommended a legal campaign to suppress those who (you claim) are propagating lies? And haven’t you done this in the name of the common people?

Martha/Thomas. Who is the only one who goes to all the trouble to emulate the style of Adolf Hitler’s speeches?

Who is the one who writes steaming piles of Hitler-inspired crap?

Martha/Thomas, who emulates Hitler?

Now Martha/Thomas, who emulates Hitler’s style?

Its you, isnt it?

?From Martha/Thomas: All I am saying is that our country, the United States, needs law and order to regulate SOPHISM and EXTREMIST PROPAGANDA by this Martha/Thomas means anyone who disagrees with her and that violation of the law must be a punishable offense

OzarkMichael asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
The similarities between Hitler’s Mein Kampf and the Martha/Thomas Mein Kampf are stunning. Both place a heavy emphasis on law and order as an excuse to suppress free speech.

Martha/Thomas, why do [you] want a legal campaign to suppress free speech?

Why do you follow Hitler’s Playbook?

Did you know you were following Hitler’s Playbook?

OzarkMichael asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
We have barely started to present the evidence, and one almost suspects that
before its over Martha/Thomas will blab out that she has a swastika in
her house somewhere.

?So lets get it over with. Do you have a swastika in your house,
Martha/Thomas?
_______________
Night-Gaunt asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
...the next phase of the “boiler room” expose of the ardent propagandists or are they just programs? Or are they humans reduced to machines? Or are they just poor people in need of deprogramming?

ThomasG presented three steps:
Step One is a deliberately induced economic collapse of the National
Economy.
_______________
Shenonymous asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
Deliberately as seen by what?

Step Two is deliberately created political paralysis of Representative Democracy as a function of the Government with regard to making and enforcing law and order that is representative of the best interests of the masses of the population.

Shenonymous asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
Deliberately created by whom exactly?
What exactly are the best interests of the masses of the population?

Step Three is deliberately induced and spread psychological hysteria in the masses of the population that cuts the ground from under habitual patterns of everyday life by way of massive unemployment and monetary chaos that is sufficient to fill even those who still have jobs with dread, foreboding and a sense of insecurity.

Shenonymous asks and martha/thomas does not answer:
Deliberately induced by whom exactly?
Spread what kind of psychological hysteria?
What are the habitual patterns of every day life, exactly, ThomasG?

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By Leefeller, November 5, 2009 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment

OM, it was the “Hi Ho, American Capitalism”, it was suprising that I found it, it made little traction except She and TG were doing show and tell, TG showing with the bucket on his head and She telling him about reality.  It only showed the goal behind TgMa s routine, not quite what you are doing with Tg and his “Myboy Kamp”

Seems them are more than pink, which in my case means little, except in the way they have attempted and drivien their routine upon us as you have called attention to. 

Please check out the “Hi Ho, American Capitalism” article and let me know what you think? For some reason I wrongly thought you had seen it? Unfortunately, it seems rigatoni has all ready set in and everyone else seems out to lunch.
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By OzarkMichael, November 5, 2009 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

Leefeller, please tell us what and where this is happening.

I have several areas of fascism left to explore, but if there is no need to do so i will stop.

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By Leefeller, November 5, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

FYI: TG has finally declared his support on an other thread which supersaturated my suspicions, so one only need wait for an apology, sort of like waiting for the second coming or longer an answer from TG.  Tg is busy playing with his bucket, so it may even take longer than not.

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By OzarkMichael, November 4, 2009 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas quote was garbled. I left the parenthesis out in my parenthetical remark. Here it is corrected…

From Martha/Thomas: All I am saying is that our country, the United States, needs law and order to regulate SOPHISM and EXTREMIST PROPAGANDA (by this Martha/Thomas means anyone who disagrees with her) and that violation of the law must be a punishable offense

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By OzarkMichael, November 4, 2009 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

The Case of Adolf Hitler: Liar, Fascist, and Mass Murderer. Part IV

Today we shall finish our examination of Hitler’s plan regarding the press, by comparing to Martha/Thomas.

This will be brief. First a quote the madman Adolf Hitler. And then a quote from Martha/Thomas so you can decide for yourself if she is following Hitler’s plan. 

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm
From Hitler: We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies (by this Hitler meant anyone who disagreed with him) and disseminate them through the press.


From Martha/Thomas: All I am saying is that our country, the United States, needs law and order to regulate SOPHISM and EXTREMIST PROPAGANDA by this Martha/Thomas means anyone who disagrees with her and that violation of the law must be a punishable offense

The similarities between Hitler’s Mein Kampf and the Martha/Thomas Mein Kampf are stunning. Both place a heavy emphasis on law and order as an excuse to suppress free speech.

Martha/Thomas, why do want a legal campaign to suppress free speech? Why do you follow Hitler’s Playbook?

Did you know you were following Hitler’s Playbook?

Answer yes or no.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 4, 2009 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment

Oops! I missed #4 which is condemning your enemy of having the traits you possess and display. I still say deprogramming intervention is the only way only we aren’t there and they wouldn’t have us as friends in the first place.

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By Leefeller, November 4, 2009 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment

ThomasG has a
bucket on his head.  Not only a plain bucket, but one that has his own shit in it
and prohibits him from seeing or hearing properly.  Now no one on the forums
can think of him without that bucket!

I tried looking at Thomas G without that bucket, and it was not pleasant!

Thomas G without that bucket of shit over your head one only sees Uranus! (Being polite here)

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By Shenonymous, November 4, 2009 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

This post was meant and used for another forum, but it is suitable for this one
as well.

Why is it MarthaA always sounds more coherent and rational than
ThomasG?  It is really curious.  Is she the left side of the single brain that
is martha/thomas?  Left in this case is the side that is critically analytical. 
The right side of the brain blathers on more in its creative swamp often
stuttering with the onomatopoetic sound “blah.”  The martha/thomas
unity is a sad practically dead issue.  The left side tries to sound cogent, and
sometimes even succeeds.  But the right side that is diseased affects the left
side over the corpus callosum and becomes nearly as corrupt.  The right side is
by observation truly unable to use language well.  That comes from a bucket
that happens to be over their collective head. Unfortunately if martha
could escape she could actually be instrumental in making a coherent case of
her thesis.  She is unduly influenced by her masculine side.


By the way, there is no 70% majority common population.  If any
reasonable
discussion is to take place, discussion must acknowledge a “voting”
population,
and then ratios proved with referenced research.  The 70% majority common
population is a simple mnemonic device for whatever the personality duopoly
of martha/thomas want to use as a signification of their thesis.  For the
benefit of any of those who do not quite understand the psychology of
language, creating a metaphoric mnemonic device that is repeated over and
over is a useful tool to help those who are ignorant of such psychology to
remember, it is what is called a trigger for thought.  This kind of thought is
often employed by propagandists who wish to surreptitiously influence the
thought of the mass population.  Graphic designers who drive advertisements
know this strategy very well.  Just notice the advertisements for penis
enhancements these days and how often they are run on all the stations, both
local and satellite. Different brands all with one thing in mind.  Now they even
have women testifying for the extra pleasure they are now receiving.  It is a
slight change in tactic and I think TG/MA are watching for those ads for
reference to slightly nuance their respective posts.  Sort of a good cop/bad cop
strategy.  Is it working on you?  Do check yourself out.

I have used the strategy successfully myself in declaring ThomasG has a
bucket on his head.  Not only a plain bucket, but one that has his own shit in it
and prohibits him from seeing or hearing properly.  Now no one on the forums
can think of him without that bucket!

I have also created a new metaphor, The Beast of Truth.  It is an apt metaphor
since truth can be a beast, actually always is a beast to those who have been
blind either by choice or by propaganda. I often use another metaphor to keep
it interesting for me, trooth, sometimes capitalized as Trooth.  One is for the
individual, the other is for the universal crap that parades as Truth.  I have
admitted to my metaphors and explained how and why I use them.  But do
notice that martha/thomas do not!  They intend to deceive you, you who
read these forums on Truthdig.  (I have also created another metaphor for
Truthdig that you may have noticed from time to time, Truthdip.  Do try to
understand why I’ve created that one.  I would wager you would comprehend
immediately.)

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By Night-Gaunt, November 4, 2009 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

One of the patterns that I noticed that happens when a true believer is confronted by information contrary to their belief system is one: negation, two; ignore, three: violent (verbal) confrontation, five: condemn the one asking the questions as their enemy, six: use whatever words to denigrate even if they are not applicable to what was asked (See Ozark Michael et al) and are blind to what they are doing or saying in relation to anything they are trying to make in way of a point. They ignore their own content as it is a script and if you disagree you must be one of them which is to say their bugaboo or enemy. Like a cult or organization to where disagreement isn’t allowed for you don’t disagree at all with “truth” in their eyes. Sound familiar? This is a war on language and is definitely part of the thread of this forum.

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By OzarkMichael, November 4, 2009 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas said: YOU, OzarkMichael, wish to make my struggle for mass awareness into a personal struggle between YOU and ME

Martha/Thomas. Once again your own words show that are following Hitler Playbook! I was going to ask if you felt you had a “My Struggle” that you were living, and by golly the words just popped out of your mouth before i could ask the question.

Step Three of the Hitler Playbook is to live and write a Mein Kampf. Hitler saw everything in terms of ‘My Struggle”, and then he wrote a book with that title. That is what Mein Kampf means. It is sick. But you already knew that didnt you?

Answer the question yes or no.

Martha/Thomas says to me: YOUR attacks, therefore, are a good thing, feel free to continue.

Thanks, i wish i could say the same to you. Your Mein Kampf is not a good thing, so stop trying to “spread it to the masses”. So yes i am trying to make this between you and me in order to protect all the innocent people.

The case against Martha/Thomas will continue. But everytime I get ready to post the next part, Martha/Thomas says something that only makes it easier. This is a disaster for Martha’s Mein Kampf.

We have barely started to present the evidence, and one almost suspects that before its over Martha/Thomas will blab out that she has a swastika in her house somewhere.


So lets get it over with. Do you have a swastika in your house, Martha/Thomas?

Answer yes or no.

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By Shenonymous, November 4, 2009 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Oh Calcutta,... oh for the beauty of bolding!

ThomasGTo the extent that I am accused, condemned and
denounced by YOU and Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS it is
irrelevant to me,
.  No, no, no, no, no ThomasG, YOU do not get by
with that comment.  Are YOU f’n kidding? YOU are completely
absorbed in what has been said counter to YOUR crap.  YOU are
completely deluded if YOU think YOU are making even a scratch
on the masses.  Have YOU bothered to check if YOU are? 
YOU are being as stupid as they come.  Blinded self-delusion is a blatant
sign of stupidity. 

I do not see OzarkMichael’s expose of YOU/martha as a personal
struggle between YOU and him.  He has far transcended YOUR
pitiful mundanity. He speaks for all of us, and amazingly even though we
disagree with his ideology.  YOU have caused us to unify!  That must feel
ironic to you?  He is the one who has seen best through YOUR noxious
smoke and fire.  And for that we, WE, are grateful.  YOU indeed
have harpooned on occasion each and everyone of us, separately and as a
unity.  Mostly however, you have concentrated your poison on
OzarkMichael.  But have YOU have not piked on Night-Gaunt
and myself!  But mainly YOU point at OzarkMichael.  So don’t try to
wiggle out of that one.  YOUR alter ego MarthaA will shoot
anything that wiggles, remember?  That bucket is tightening on YOUR
head and Leefeller is right, YOU seem to be packing up giving it
one last blast at OzarkMichael, who represents all of us!  We, enmass,
cheer him on or haven’t YOU been reading the comments!  The
YOU who YOU defend is a personality duopoly and therefore his
response is always to that siamesic arrangement TG/MA.

When YOU speak to OzarkMichael, YOU speak to all of us
who see through YOUR curtain of obfuscation.  YOUR use of the
Hitlerian principles of fascism.  We are inexhaustible and also know that
YOUR comments are limited to this website.  No one really (except for
one fan) is voicing support for YOU.  And no one is absorbing
YOUR views, or haven’t YOU noticed.  No, I guess with a bucket on
YOUR head YOU cannot notice much of anything. 

No one has proposed that subjectivity and objectivity reality are the same
thing.  YOU are dreaming in YOUR bucket.  We have gone to great
pains to show they are not the same thing, but YOU are unable to accept
The Beast of Truth.

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By ThomasG, November 4, 2009 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, November 4 at 10:34am and OzarkMichael, November 4 at 12:56am,

YOU have made no answers to anything.  All YOU have done is accuse, condemn and denounce with indignant, fulminating, equivocation; this is the way of Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS, the way that uses fulminating accusation, condemnation, denunciation and equivocation as an answer, the way of killing the messenger; rather than dealing with the message.  This technique has worked for the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS, the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media-Echo-Chamber and the lumpen-proletariat toadies who suck up to the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, as well as the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement, and YOU expect Hitler’s technique of combining subjective and objective reality to continue to work for minority political advantage.

It is my intention to bring light upon the techniques of Hitleresque sophism and propaganda, so that those who are being led against their best interests for minority advantage will become aware.  So far as I am concerned, I have nothing to defend , since my only interest is in awareness of the masses of the population of the American public.  To the extent that I am accused, condemned and denounced by YOU and Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS it is irrelevant to me, if accusation, condemnation and denunciation results in mass awareness, so that the masses are not susceptible to Hitleresque techniques of sophism and propaganda that meld subjective and objective reality and give the false illusion that subjective and objective reality are the same reality. 

YOU, OzarkMichael, wish to make my struggle for mass awareness into a personal struggle between YOU and ME; I have no interest in YOUR pursuit of a personal struggle in order to cover up the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement’s use of Hitleresque techniques of sophism and propaganda to promote its idealism and agenda, my interests are solely related to awareness in the masses of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement’s use of Hitleresque techniques of sophism and propaganda that meld subjective and objective reality, so that the masses of the population of the United States are not easily led against their best interests by Hitleresque techniques.

All that YOU and the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS do to obfuscate and defend YOUR USE of Adolph Hitler’s techniques of sophism and propaganda that meld subjectivity with objectivity to give the illusion that subjective and objective reality are the same thing, gives me the opportunity to promote understanding of these techniques in the minds of the masses and YOUR personal attacks on me serve the same purpose; for you, YOU want to make this personal and YOU want to attack me personally to obfuscate and defend the use of Hitleresque techniques of sophism and propaganda by Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS; for me, YOUR personal attacks on me that embrace Hitler’s combination of subjective and objective reality, serve my purpose of bringing Hitler’s obscene use of subjective melded into objective reality out, so that these techniques become less effective as a result of mass awareness——YOUR attacks, therefore, are a good thing, feel free to continue.

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By Shenonymous, November 4, 2009 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

Oh well, my rationalization:  the bolding should make everyone feel at home with
the discussion.  We have been conditioned.  Sorry, though.  One little backslash
will do it!  Sort of a kind of backstab, sorry again.

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By Shenonymous, November 4, 2009 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

Teeming questions are never answered by martha/thomas.  The fused
duo only live through their limited linguistics using a 1-page self-copyrighted
composition style manual that has only a few writing instructions:  1. Repeat
phrases and particular words at least three times then shoot for 10.  2.
Capitalize and bold heavily, with some italics thrown in for aesthetic effect.  3.
Use threatening language in every post.  Note:  Don’t worry about content as
the style will blind the readers to the real subjective/objective reality*. 
*Footnote:  Which is the point stupid!

So I am going to make an analysis of the questions they have not answered:  My
protocol:  I will start with OzarkMichael’s, then, Night-Gaunt’s,
Leefeller’s, and maybe ardee, if he is nice to me since I will have to
go farther back in the forum to find them, and then my own.  This will take
some time since I have to go over the forum for several days worth of
comments.  But I will get back to the forum.  I will leave a couple as examples
here, though, and you will plainly see my intention.  Starting with the newest
ones first since they are most readily available:  (Just remember MA/TG
never answer any questions put to them!)

OzarkMichael: 
1.  Now I accuse you of something worse, Martha/Thomas, because you
deny Hitler in order to embrace Hitler. You secretly have followed Step One and
Step Two of Hitler’s Playbook, and you seem to be a fan of Hitler’s 25 points to
fascism.

If you can’t say a single word in defense against these charges, and if you are
going to prove my case for me by doing little Hitler speeches, you might want
someone else to speak in your defense.
Do you want someone to speak in your defense?

Just answer yes or no.
Check his last post for other related questions.

2.  Answer objectively, yes or no. Have you complained about capitalists
controlling the press, and recommended a legal campaign to suppress those
who (you claim) are propagating lies? And haven’t you done this in the name of
the common people?

Answer me objectively, yes or no.

Stop your Hitleresque threats and lies.

Stop hiding behind your subjective cloud of “blah”.

Answer the simple questions I have asked you. Answer yes or no.

Night-Gaunt:
Hats off to you Ozark Michael for the next phase of the “boiler room”
expose of the ardent propagandists or are they just programs? Or are they
humans reduced to machines? Or are they just poor people in need of
deprogramming?

While N-G’s questions are not directed specifically to the personality
duopoly MA/TG, the questions are pertinent to their status as existential
human beings and should be defensible if the answers are “not true.”  They do
not deny Night-Gaunt’s inquiry.

And so forth to come.

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By Leefeller, November 4, 2009 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

Enlightenment never in the room with TgMa, seemingly comprehension from their view does not exist. Light observation; seems to prove this to be.  After She and other posters extensive interaction on the ying and yang of subjectivity to objectivity, one observes the constant use of the words by the imbecilic duo, one could ask in amusement what if discussion had been between posters on ying and yang?

On another thread, Ma took it upon it’s self to make a comment, (attempted humor?) when I mentioned “I was loosing patience toward Obama”!  Ma asked me if I was a doctor and went from their talking about my being a wealthy docotr.  It seems comprehension is impaired or may it be a vision problem considering where they keep their heads? 

OM may be on to something, it may also be their plan?
For some reason I have from the beginning of them as a looming Shanker, and believed TgMa were more Stalin-isc in politicl leanings.

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By OzarkMichael, November 4, 2009 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

Martha/Thomas said: You, OzarkMichael, embrace Hitler in order to deny Hitler

Now I accuse you of something worse, Martha/Thomas, because you deny Hitler in order to embrace Hitler. You secretly have followed Step One and Step Two of Hitler’s Playbook, and you seem to be a fan of Hitler’s 25 points to fascism.

If you can’t say a single word in defense against these charges, and if you are going to prove my case for me by doing little Hitler speeches, you might want someone else to speak in your defense.

Do you want someone to speak in your defense?

Just answer yes or no.

Did you think we were finished? Is that why you resumed your Hitleresque bluster with Hitleresque fist pounding and screaming in your recent posts?

Answer yes or no.

Because we have evidence to present, and more charges to make, and then more evidence. This is going badly for Martha/Thomas, worse than anyone expected.

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I remind anyone reading this that so far we have three perfect similarities between Martha/Thomas and the Hitler playbook. Read the three posts again. Not a single one of them is refuted by Martha/Thomas. She doesnt even try.

Why? Because she knows there is so much evidence against her, she is afraid to argue objectively.
 
So all Martha/Thomas has left is subjective name calling. “its YOU who is following the Playbook” Subjective blah twaddle!

Follow the evidence and not the subjective twaddle.

Martha/Thomas doesnt discuss the evidence. Instead she just does her usual Hitleresque screaming, pointing and pounding fists. Read her last posts. 

Yes Martha/Thomas, I will continue to “accuse, condemn and denounce” you for your “Hitleresque techniques”.

We have a long way to go. Since you can’t present an objective answer, I will have to give the proof in part IV tomorrow.

Stop trying to to change the subject with subjective name calling. It wont work.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 3, 2009 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

ThomasG you dissemble in this case. Use bluster mixed in with your usual mechanical motions fail to address Ozark Michael‘s pointed and pertinent queries into why you use the verbal architecture of the National Socialists, and many others for they barrow from each other to their advantage. Too bad both of you are so poor at it. Go back to school and study literature and writing and maybe you can pull the proverbial wool over some of our eyes. Though I doubt it in this forum. But you can try but right now both of you are just immature, amateur pikers in this arena. Really so transparent! And as I have said several times before I “pity” both of you for your actions in this matter. Wasn’t it the infamous Lenin who spoke about “useful idiots” who misunderstood and helped them get the job done?

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By ThomasG, November 3, 2009 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, November 3 at 11:22pm,

The answer to Part III of YOUR post is the same as it was to Part II.

Again YOU, OzarkMichael, are using Adolph Hitler’s, “Mein Kampf” to deny Hitler, but in so doing YOU are embracing Hitler.

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By ThomasG, November 3, 2009 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 3 at 3:02am,

Amorphous nonsense from the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST boiler room; much ado about nothing more than OzarkMichael’s post embracing fulminating Hitleresque sophism and propaganda.

Blowing your own horn as YOU Right-Wingers are wont to do is no replacement for the approval of a cheering audience, but it is all that a Right-Winger can do when disapproval is all that is available.

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By ThomasG, November 3, 2009 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 1 at 10:40pm,

blah.

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By ThomasG, November 3, 2009 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, November 1 at 10:17pm,

ThomasG’s answer:  You, OzarkMichael, embrace Hitler in order to deny Hitler.

The only thing you, OzarkMichael, left out of YOUR post was to label me as a Jew, a fine example of a Hitleresque combination of fulminating subjective and objective accusation, condemnation and denunciation.

Adolph Hitler would be proud of YOUR use of HIS techniques of fulminating sophism and propaganda.

The Republican Party’s Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber has been using these techniques since the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II to accuse, condemn, and denounce the Left and Liberals and just like Adolph Hitler did with the Jews, YOU have used Hitleresque techniques to accuse, condemn and denounce me for pointing out that YOU, the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS and the Republican Party are using Hitleresque fulminating techniques of sophism and propaganda.

It seems that YOUR position as a HEAYY HITTER is dependent upon the use of fulminating Hitleresque techniques of sophism and propaganda to deny fulminating Hitleresque techniques of sophism and propaganda, that to deny Hitler, YOU embrace Hitler’s fulminating sophism and propaganda as an instrument of denial, which in effect is an endorsement of Adolph Hitler’s techniques of fulminating sophism and propaganda. Therefore, YOU,  OzarkMichael, embrace Hitler in YOUR post to deny Hitler, and accuse, condemn, and denounce ThomasG and MarthaA.

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By OzarkMichael, November 3, 2009 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

The Case of Adolf Hitler: Liar, Fascist, and Mass Murderer. Part III

Today we shall introduce one of Hitler’s favorite themes, the press.  I will produce two quotes from Adolf Hitler, and while reading them I want the reader to consider this question: ‘Who on truthdig says the same things?’ And yes if that person does not admit to it i will produce the quotes to prove it.

The first quote is from one of Hitler’s speeches, when he was contrasting his vision of the press to what the British and Anericans have. I want you to think of the person on Truthdig who complains about the exact same thing that Hitler complains about:


http://humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/speeches/1940-12-10.html


The decisive question is who enlightens the people, who educates them? In those countries, it is actually capital that rules; that is, nothing more than a clique of a few hundred men who possess untold wealth and, as a consequence of the peculiar structure of their national life, are more or less independent and free. They say: ‘Here we have liberty.’ By this they mean, above all, an uncontrolled economy, and by an uncontrolled economy, the freedom not only to acquire capital but to make absolutely free use of it. That means freedom from national control or control by the people both in the acquisition of capital and in its employment. This is really what they mean when they speak of liberty. These capitalists create their own press and then speak of the ‘freedom of the press.’

In reality, every one of the newspapers has a master, and in every case this master is the capitalist, the owner.

In the next quote Hitler describes his remedy for the situation. Please read this slowly, think of each word. Hitler says it very succinctly and someone here on Truthdig agrees with him 100%. And then reader, you must wonder why anyone would agree with Hitler 100%, using the exact same concepts.

From Hitler’s “25 points to Fascism”:

We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press… Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

That is the foundation for Step 2 of Hitler’s Plan, Suppress opposition in the press. Its a crucial point, too. 

Martha/Thomas. Everyone can see why you are afraid to answer my questions. But this time you must, or I will reveal your own quotes which show how you have followed Hitler’s plan perfectly.

Answer objectively, yes or no. Have you complained about capitalists controlling the press, and recommended a legal campaign to suppress those who (you claim) are propagating lies? And haven’t you done this in the name of the common people?

Answer me objectively, yes or no.

Stop your Hitleresque threats and lies.

Stop hiding behind your subjective cloud of “blah”.

Answer the simple questions i have asked you. Answer yes or no.

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By Shenonymous, November 2, 2009 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment

Finally having a chance to look over the forum, it looks like
OzarkMichael’s two analyses that probed in extraordinary detail the
impostor martha/thomas is an important revelation.  While I am stunned
I wouldn’t say I was surprised.  OM presented a believable startling
hidden agenda and how clever that deception was. 

There are all sorts of causes or forces that might make them do this, so we
have to wonder with some intensity, in recalling their many repetitive posts,
what could be those forces?  To use one of ThomasG’s own words, it was
so calculating and so really clever to borrow one frame, turn it upside down,
then use it as the frame for a different and sinister purpose.  The shift in reality
is an amazing device, and a device of magicians… and propaganda.  We are
lucky OM was so persecuted by martha/thomas that he was forced
to investigate and with an astute intelligence was able to see the trickery,
treachery really, that has been perpetrated.  Even if one does not agree with
OM’s politics, none deserves to be flimflammed the way
martha/thomas has done.  A few of us had a hunch there was more to
the peculiar writing style of their attack than what we can just see.  But none
went fishing like OM did. He caught some big fish!  And taught us a
lesson as well.  Bravo and grazie for seeing the true nature of what is going on
and letting us see it too, OM.  Of course being fooled is on account of
one’s own ignorance and naivete, and ultimately one’s own responsibility to
beware of such deceits.  I, for one, am much obliged.

And I will be intently interested in any further details.

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By Leefeller, November 1, 2009 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

Wearing one down requires something with substance, may I suggest the attempted wearing down by the dancy duo, not successful. Since I refuse to read their bold and accusatory posts, how can they wear one down? 

Remember the Vietnam flies, annoying flies which would land and stay where they were, even if you waved your arm trying to get them to fly away. Vietnam flies remind me of ThomasG, Picture TG flying around trying to impress, annoy or what ever it is TG believes he is doing, to a water buffalo and landing on the buffaloes rump, only to be swatted by a big wet tail. Annoying yes, wearing down? NO!  Do not think so!

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By Shenonymous, November 1, 2009 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

Hey, ThomasG, you just have to wait until I can catch up!  I’m still on your
5:22 a.m. insults and I want to enjoy them to their nth degree.  I’ll get around
to the more recent ones a little later.  I know you can’t wait!  You are such a
masochist!  BTW: ThomasG, I have a very good whip hanging in the
hallway. Vee culd… make zum arrrrangement?  Wink wink

Analysis of vocabulary (times used certain words) in ThomasG’s post at
5:22 am
Hitler - 9
Mein Kampf - 6
subjective/subjectify - 6
objective - 3 (not quite as important a concept as subjectivity any more)
reality - 3  (about as important as objectivity…not very)
fascist - 1 (is losing its oomph!)
Republican Party - 1 (no longer useful to glue to RWCE.  Uh, but he
  did mention the RNC, a subset of the Republican Party, so
  maybe we ought to count that, so 1 1/2)
Right-Wing Conservative Extremist - 2 (also losing its priority in the
  ThomasG/MarthaA lexicon)
blah - 2 (might be he is beginning to see the uselessness of this
  onomatopoeia.  Farting would be much more effective and
  goes along with you know what that is in the The Beast of
  Truth Bucket and besides farting often gives a funny sound
  that makes people laugh as they run for the door holding their nose.)

We have noticed that ThomasG has accepted the subjective as the
originating mentation (the mental activity of all things thought).  We could
acknowledge this as progress and part of the protocol of coming to grips wit
reality by gripping that bucket off his head.  It can only happen in steps,
however.  Only ThomasG can find those steps.

Oh yeah, I am the best vulgarian I know.  Don’t you agree?  I mean if one is
going to be something, might as well be the best there is at it.  See, in better
circumstances, I am a non-vulgarian.  I am bi-vulgarian and able to rise to the
occasion.  I am much more vulgar, though, than my allies.  (Allies?  what a
laugh, comrades for a common cause maybe, but not allies. We came to our
conclusions about you and MarthaA quite independently, which is why
our conclusions about you and MarthaA must be true?  I refer you to
Abraham Lincoln about fooling the people.  Do take a better look, but oh gosh,
you do have that problem bucket, umm, uh…oh well.

Yes, past TD posts, all of them, yours, b]MarthaA’s, and mine are available
for anyone to review.  It is my hope many take the pains to do that. 

You make another categorical mistake ThomasG.  Finding a structure to
something is not the same thing as employing that something.  It is like using
an outline pattern.  You know, start with I. a paragraph topic, then make A. a
sub-paragraph topic, then a B. sub-paragraph topic, and a C. sub-paragraph
topic if needed.  Then go on to 1.,  2.,  3.,  under each sub paragraph topic to
analyze further.  Then make a II. paragraph topic, and so forth to develop an
outline structure.  Merely helping to organize the content, the outline is not the
content.  It is quite a common mistake to mistake a structure of something for
the thing itself.

It is a sign of good writing not only to pay attention to the semantics of a
language you adopt, i.e, avoid unnecessary repetition, but to observe the
syntactical structure as well.  I offer this as a friendly gesture to help you
become more effective in your attacks against. . .uh. . .er. ..uh…against…
me!

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By OzarkMichael, November 1, 2009 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

The Case of Adolf Hitler: Liar, Fascist, and Mass murderer.  Part II

In future posts we shall examine Martha/Thomas about Mein Kampf. But for today I would like to digress about something important to the case, and that is Hitler’s style of communication. 

Hitler not only wrote Mein Kampf, but he also gave speeches. In fact he was considered to be a much more effective orator than writer. His followers tried to imitate his style, but few were bold enough to succeed or capitalize on his success.

I submit Hitler’s speeches into the record as Exhibit B.

Transcript online at http://www.hitler.org/speeches/  and will be referenced later as needed.

But to understand Hitler one has to see the newsreels. To see him scream and hear him roar again and again. He points, he pounds the air with his fist, and he does it all the time. He repeats himself over and over. His bold gestures wears down his audience.

Everyone yells or gestures once in a while, but Hitler resorted to it constantly. His peculiar style is of course part of Hitler’s Playboook.

See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Hgw6OMhoc&feature=related

The expert witness on Hitler,  Martha/Thomas will now explain why pointing, pounding fists, and screaming were used by Hitler.

Martha/Thomas, the new invention of the internet brought a way to “yell” while typing. Capital letters is how people yell and scream. But you already know that, dont you?

The way to point at something or pound your fist on the internet is bold letters. You know that too. Dont deny it.

I ask a simple question. Answer ‘yes’ or ‘no’. Did you or did you not write the following:

“What YOU, Shenonymous, and the rest of the Right-Wingers, Right-Wing Media Echo-Chamber toilers, and lumpen-proletariat toadies have done with regard to YOUR “bucket of shit” dialogue on Truthdig is the same as was done by Goldwater, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, the Right-Wing EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber, and the Right-Wing contingent of lumpen-proletariat toadies that hang around for scraps; if for no other reason, YOUR “bucket of shit” terminology has been useful in pointing out vividly that YOUR “bucket of shit” and the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST philosophy and agenda is the same “bucket of shit”.  If, as a result, we as a nation and as the masses of the American people can move forward past Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST “bucket of shit” dialogue, I am certain that everyone would be much appreciative.”

Arent you, Martha/Thomas, known on Truthdig for writing this way? If you deny you wrote the above, I can produce 5 more of your posts, each one worse than the last. If you deny the 5, I can produce 10 more of your posts, each one worse than the last. Post after post after post.

The same screaming and yelling, the same finger pointing, the same fist waving, the same phrases over and over and over. Wearing us down with slogans and false accusations. Do you deny it?

Answer me.

How are you going to deflect your guilt? Are you going to pretend that someone else came in and added all the bold print and all the capital letters? Thats a great deal of work. A great deal of trouble. It took me 5 minutes just to reproduce one paragraph in your crazy Hitler style.

Martha/Thomas. Who is the only one who goes to all the trouble to emulate the style of Adolf Hitler’s speeches?

Who is the one who writes steaming piles of Hitler-inspired crap?

Was it the innocent people you accuse of being fascists? No. You must stop calling innocent people GANGSTERS and EXTREMISTS. 

Martha/Thomas, who emulates Hitler? Answer me.

Everyone watch Hitler’s speech again. Read the Martha/Thomas quote again.

Now Martha/Thomas, who emulates Hitler’s style?

Its you, isnt it?

Answer ‘Yes’ or ‘No’.

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By ThomasG, November 1, 2009 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, November 1 at 8:19pm,

blah

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By Leefeller, November 1, 2009 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

ThomasG translation?

Serendipitous tripe and Literal Exhumation of fear,
Thomas G edited, from completely incomprehensible to still incomprehensible.


You seem to be incapable of projecting thought. In addressing others in ignorance is not a solution;——Are you, as the idiot weight, imbecilic red bottomed member of the clucking chicken-Wing contingency, sponsored by the Extramarital boiler High Jinx, hired with this inert ability to promote nonsense as credible in order to protract bucket headed gurgling sounds?  Seemingly most worthy only from inside the bucket, is this in fantasyland what is to be portrayed and called heavy hitters, Thomas G and Martha A?—— or what?

Edited from Uranus TG very hard task with your head in the way!

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By ThomasG, November 1, 2009 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, November 1 at 5:43pm,

Blah.

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By ThomasG, November 1, 2009 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, November 1 at 5:40pm,

If you are capable of doing anything other than fulminating and equivocating amorphous nonsense get on with it.  A good start would be to come clean on Ed Rollin’s admission that the Republican Party was using Hitleresque political practices and procedures from Adolph Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”.

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By Leefeller, November 1, 2009 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

Exactly, Uranus!

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By ThomasG, November 1, 2009 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 1 at 3:04pm

Do they train you to do anything other than to fulminate savant blather and blah there in the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Boiler Room?

You are consistent in fulminating pedantically parsed questions that equivocate, subjectify and bounce around the limitations of YOUR OWN relexive contentions and questions within the confines of a six-sided box of mirrored surfaces that is YOUR frame of understanding, that YOU then try to project onto others;  YOUR frame does not add to YOUR OWN or anyone elses understanding of “objective reality” beyond the subjectified interior confines of the six-sided box of mirrored surfaces that is the frame of your limited understanding required by your Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST sophistry and propaganda.

Sophistry and propaganda by the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS has marginalized and relegated the Republican Party to a position as the party of complaining, criticizing, parsing, accusing, condemning and denouncing the Republican Party, as the party that stands for NOTHING, other than self-serving benefit and greed, the Republican Party that stands for NO solutions, that serves the greater greed, rather than the greater good of the masses of the population of the United States; and YOU, and others like YOU, have helped the MAJORITY Population of the United States to become aware of these qualities of amorphous, subjectifying, equivocating, fulminating, savant blather, as being the trademark representing the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement and the Republican Party; YOU and those like YOU have done a public service by making these concepts clear to the American people as a whole, and that the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement and the Republican Party is representative of these reprehensible concepts—— THANK YOU for your valuable assistance in this regard.

YOU fulminate and equivocate in support of amorphous Hitleresque sophistry and propaganda and, thanks to YOU and others like YOU the masses of the population of the United States are getting a clear understanding of the difference between the Right and the Left, between Conservatives and Liberals, between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party; differences that are the same difference as the difference between Adolph Hitler and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

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By Leefeller, November 1, 2009 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

Seems seeing Uranus TgMa has been fun in some
demented degree, for I enjoyed making fun of it.

OM, nice to see the dimwitted duo being called on
their owe comments. ( I have trouble reading their
tripe)  It can be said, sometimes pointed accusations
are pointed at oneself, hence analogy of a head in
the bucket.

Night Guant, computer program theory has seemed
possible in me mind.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 1, 2009 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

Your best effort is to try to drown understanding in irrelevant, equivocating, savant volume; this has been your practice in the past and your practice in this regard has not changed.”

Actually I couldn’t have summed up better what you both T/M do most of the time you post on any forum. I saw ThomasG on AltNet awhile back first. With the same old stuff, see above for specifics!

Hats off to you Ozark Michael for the next phase of the “boiler room” expose of the ardent propagandists or are they just programs? Or are they humans reduced to machines? Or are they just poor people in need of deprogramming?

To me when “blah” is used it is equivalent to a “brain fart” where no data is connected. A momentary, or longer, lack of cognitional brain activity. Might be a sign of Alzheimer’s, USA anti-intellectualism or worse, smooth brain syndrome. No wrinkles in the cortex is bad. Where your IQ and everything else plummets to the lowest possible level. Better exercise it now to keep it and make it stronger. I do and you should too!!! Remember use of “blah” shows lack of higher brain function. Stop proving to us it is a fact please?

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By OzarkMichael, November 1, 2009 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

Today we consider the case of Adolf Hitler: liar, fascist, and mass murderer:

We gather here to examine his Plan as laid out in Mein Kampf.

We do this only because Martha/Thomas has insisted upon it.

With many words oft repeated she has accused me and all Republicans, as well as anyone who doesnt agree with her, of following “Hitler’s Playbook” as laid out in Mein kampf, of being a boiler room echo chamber for advancing fascism. This has happened continually and without ceasing to this day.

It is a terrible thing to be accused of fascism. Because of this serious charge I was forced to read Mein Kampf in order to find her quote. This was an unpleasant task but I was able to find it, and reprinted it here, proving that she intentionally misquoted Hitler. Confronted with this fact, Martha/Thomas does not relent, does not apologize to any of us, and continues to press the charge. Martha insists that I “disturb meetings just like in Mein Kampf”.

Therefore the case must procede.

The strange thing is that “Hitlers Playbook” did not start with disturbing other people’s meetings, but instead Hitler complained that his meetings were being disturbed. We find that MarthaA just so happens to be following Hitler’s Playbook. That is only Step One of Hitler’s Plan.

What we must discover is why does Hitler complain about his meetings being disturbed? How does Step One lead to power? I don’t know how complaining about “GANGSTERS who disturb meetings” could provide Hitler with the leverage to take over a government. Neither does Shenonymous. Leefeller isnt sure if he is person today, and cyrena is bouncing around with pom-poms cheering her newest hero, Martha/Thomas. (Which has historically happened just as her hero is about to burst into flames. Remember Le Femme Fadel?)

So we turn to our mystery guest who can explain the whole thing to us. In fact, today our mystery guest said this:

“Mein Kampf” is not about “good” Hitler and “bad” Hitler, ... “Mein Kampf” is “ALL” Hitler and the setting of frames by Hitler to justify his political agenda

That is just the sort of expertise we need.  Our mystery guest understands Mein Kampf, understands how Hitler sets his “frames” to “justify his political aganda”. In short… out mystery guests comprehends “ALL” of Hitler. That is a rare thing, to understand Hitler. Most of us cannot hold our noses long enough to stay with it.

I call our mystery guest to the witness stand.

Our mystery guest is…

none other than Martha/Thomas.


Martha/Thomas! It has been established that Step One of Hitlers Playbook is setting false frames, slandering innocent people, complaining that his meetings are being disturbed by GANGSTERS. We know that when Hitler called someone a GANGSTER they were actually innocent people, because Hitler was a liar. What we dont understand is how Step One of Mein Kampf leads to power.

But you, Martha/Thomas, have experience with Step One of Hitler’s Playbook. You have set a false frame, complaining that meetings were disturbed… in order to slander Republicans, everyone here, and especially me. Calling us GANGSTERS, and much worse.  Martha/Thomas, you are a liar.  You are following Step One of Hitler’s Playbook. That has been proven.

We dont understand how anyone could possibly gain power by being a look-alike Adolf Hitler crybaby.  Since you are following his Playbook, Martha/Thomas, you will explain Adolf Hitler to us. Step by Step.

Exhibit A: Mein Kampf

We begin with some easy questions. Answer ‘Yes’ or ‘No’.

Martha/Thomas, have you claimed to read Mein Kampf? And not only reading Mein Kampf, havent you also claimed to percieve what very few people can fathom: the evil genius of Hitler and his method of gaining power?

In case the witness is tempted to lie, I remind the witness there is plenty of objective evidence to prove the objective truth.

Just answer the objective question with an objective YES or NO.

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By Shenonymous, November 1, 2009 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Leefeller says it al!  The TG/MA mindmelt certainly illustrate a
diversity of words.  We all have been blest as the Happy Blah Contingent who lives
in the boiler room are having a post-Halloween party.  Lots of games, bending
over (a favorite of the ThomasG side), bashing heads, executions of
wiggling RWECRs (MarthaA’s favorite) and endless blahing and of course by
the guest of honor TG/MA with the Beast of Truth Bucket on their melded
head will be providing the music by banging on their unified bucket with the
sticks they bring with them.  They always have that instrument ready and always
carry sticks for various personal activities like sitting on them which causes them
to say blah.  Yeowie Kazowie!  I heard they do gigs.  To make a contract to have
them play at your event, just disagree with them.  I know, I know it is
counterintuitive, it is called a Disagreement Contract.  Whattayagonnado with doo
doo heads?

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By ThomasG, November 1, 2009 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

Leefeller, November 1 at 2:46pm,

Blah.

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By ThomasG, November 1, 2009 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 1 at 11:18am,

Blah.

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By Leefeller, November 1, 2009 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

TgMa the ded hynie of emberassed in the horizon has
become two and now merged in Uranus!

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By MarthaA, November 1, 2009 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

<b>Shenonymous, November 1 at 11:18am,<b>

Blah.

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By MarthaA, November 1, 2009 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 1 at 11:18am,

Blah.

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By Shenonymous, November 1, 2009 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

ThomasG,  You still blather.  No bolding, no caps, no italics.  Style
improved, content not.

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By ThomasG, November 1, 2009 at 6:30 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, November 1 at 10:04am

Less vulgar blah, improved blah, but still blah.

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By ThomasG, November 1, 2009 at 6:23 am Link to this comment

Leefeller, November 1 at 7:19am,

Light weight blah.

Subjectifying Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST fear and projecting it onto others is not a solution;——Were you, as the junior light weight member of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST boiler room, commissioned with this subjective assertion in order to maintain dignity for their so called heavy hitters, Shenonymous and OzarkMichael?—— or what?

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By Shenonymous, November 1, 2009 at 6:04 am Link to this comment

We all can see you are still copying/pasting ThomasG.  Once more you show
us the limitations of a bucket.

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