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Posted on Sep 24, 2009
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By Joe Conason

With admirable calm, President Obama has sought to deflect the supercharged politics of race by expressing his optimism about American attitudes and ignoring the most extreme statements by his critics. For his own sake, as well as the nation’s, he is wise to give a pass to the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. That is not, however, what they deserve.

The behavior of those media provocateurs over the past few months is almost beyond parody. They call the president a racist, even though there is no evidence of prejudice on his part and much evidence to the contrary. They demand that nobody should ever point out racial prejudice, but spend hours on the airwaves making false claims of bias against whites. And they whine constantly about being called racists, even though the president has never made that accusation against them.

“You can’t get your agenda,” protested Beck the other day, speaking of the president, “so you unleash the hounds and point the fingers, and everybody is a racist.” That was around the same time Obama’s spokesman said quite emphatically that the president does not believe his opponents are motivated by racism.

But since Beck and Limbaugh seem to be obsessed with this touchy subject, let’s examine their record. It turns out that both established their keen racial sensitivity on air long ago.

Back when Beck was simply a coked-out zoo-style morning talk jock on a Kentucky station—rather than a national political philosopher—he regularly mimicked African-American speech patterns for fun. “He used to do a funny ‘black guy’ character, really over the top,” recalls one of his former colleagues, quoted by biographer Alexander Zaitchik in a fascinating Salon profile.

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Beck also became a devotee of the Mormon crank author and conspiracy theorist W. Cleon Skousen, whose writings he enthusiastically promotes to this day. Among Skousen’s pet theories was that Southern slave owners were actually the victims of the plantation system, which according to him favored the lazy and pampered slaves, whose children he called “pickaninnies.” Like his ultraright friends in the John Birch Society and kindred groups, Skousen was a dedicated foe of civil rights legislation.

Does that mean Beck is a bigot? If Obama had ever endorsed the writings of Louis Farrakhan, replete with vile slurs against whites and especially Jews, that would certainly be enough for Beck—who says he believes that the president has “a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture.” That must be why the Obama White House has so many whites of all ethnic and religious backgrounds advising the president, from the Cabinet down.

As for Limbaugh, perhaps nobody remembers the time that he told a black caller to “take that bone out of your nose”; or the time when he said the nonviolent NAACP “should get a liquor store and practice robberies”; or the many times when he would play the “Movin’ On Up” theme from the old “Jeffersons” TV show to accompany his commentary about Carol Moseley Braun, the first black woman in the United States Senate. He used to do mocking bits in black dialect, too. But who needs to remember those sorry episodes when he continues that ugly pattern on air nearly every day?

The Limbaugh show reached a new low recently when he began a campaign around a school-bus incident in Belleville, Ill., in which two black students were videotaped beating up a white kid. Police authorities first said they believed the assailants were motivated by race, but later said it was just a nasty bullying assault (for which the two little thugs are now being prosecuted).

But Limbaugh could not resist the opportunity to turn that nastiness into something much more dangerous. “It’s Obama’s America, is it not? Obama’s America—white kids getting beat up on school buses now. I mean, you put your kids on a school bus, you expect safety, but in Obama’s America, the white kids now get beat up, with the black kids cheering.” In a more reflective mood, he later asked, “Can this nation really have an African-American president?”

Yes, we can—and despite the racial poison spread by Beck and Limbaugh, most Americans are proud that at long last, we do.

Joe Conason writes for The New York Observer.

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By Leefeller, September 30, 2009 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

Afriend , it may be more accurate to say I have never met a Republican I did like. (crickets), nope cant think of any. 

It must be said I am a bigot about bigotry, for I do not like bigots, sort of like a bugger about buggery, maybe a Catholic priest or something. 

Though some of my best friends are Republicans or Bigots, usually both, but I do not hold that against them, we make sure to never discuss poloticks, region or anything else for that matter.

Intolerance seems most worthy when it can benefit agendas, seems Limbaugh and Beck may just be the opportunists to do such, (cannot use the racism word here, might upset someone).

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By Leefeller, September 30, 2009 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

“Leefeller—-Have you been rebellious all your
life?  Can’t you get it through your hard head.
People are tired of hearing your ranting irrational
talk about racism.”

But!

But!

My head is not hard, ever since the garage door closed on it, to everyone’s surprise we discovered that it seems my head is not just like a bowling ball, anyway, (I took bets and tried it)  a very unpleasant experience, plus it can hurt too! 

Christian96 mentioning my hard head must be one of those co inky dinks’ and by Jove, I hear thunder outside, I must grab a long aluminum pole and run to the highest hill and preform the Riverdance in my shorts.

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By AFriend, September 30, 2009 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,

“None of those you listed said it was a “majority” of the criticism. Just the hard core ones which are few but prominate who feed the undercurrent that is there.”

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Actually, Night-Gaunt, those I listed have stated their respective belief in different ways that the bulk, the majority, an overwhelming portion of the vocal and demonstrative opposition of president Obama is due to his being black or African American.

“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African American,”—Pres. Jimmy Carter

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By AFriend, September 30, 2009 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

Leefeller,

Clearly you dislike republicans. You believe “they” are somehow different from the people you like and agree with. Clearly you have an image of “them” that will always color the context of what you see.

What is bigotry? How can we define it? How do we know it when we see it? How may we guard against it?

—-

Bigotry: “stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.”

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By Night-Gaunt, September 30, 2009 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

Well, Joe Wilson being a Neo-Confederate, racism is almost a prerequisite! “The South shall rise again” only they have been in the White House so much it is a wonder they never changed the flag. But then they have lost ground and want it back. When they are a Regressive “stop’ isn’t enough for them. What they want for the South they want for it all. So many of them are evangelicals and corporate magnates and an aristocratic disdain for democratic-republican gov’t. They joined with those other aristocrats of the North in 1934 but failed, just barely. Now they have been at it since 1980 and are winning. Obama is their present agent in the White House. Ironic no?

“I’m not certain but, you still seem to be missing my point. I believe it’s wrong to suggest that the MAJORITY of the president’s critics MUST be racists. I believe the man or woman who believes that, Carter, Robinson, Conason, Olbermen, even Bill Cosby are themselves the bigots.”-AFriend

Well your premise is wrong on all counts. None of those you listed said it was a “majority” of the criticism. Just the hard core ones which are few but prominate who feed the undercurrent that is there. That includes Beck and Limbaugh. Carter‘s nuance was lost immediately as I watched. Go back and listen or read the transcript of what he said. So you seem to be blind to bigotry yourself, maybe too much exposer at one time. Your parameters are skewed in this area from what I can tell.

Also thank you for helping Shenonymous, I just simply use the box given for simple text formatting—-nothing else.

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By christian96, September 30, 2009 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

Leefeller—-Have you been rebellious all your
life?  Can’t you get it through your hard head.
People are tired of hearing your ranting irrational
talk about racism.

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By Leefeller, September 30, 2009 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

“There is no more racism or bigotry in the republican party than there is in the democratic party.”

Why do I have a vision of the Republican party as clones of old white men? The first Republican debate in the last election only seemed to be missing the white hoods and robes, they must have been well tucked in the back of the stage. Well it seems we may see Chaney girl and Plain running for the future Republican ticket, so Republicans seem not sexist.

All right, the republicans are not any more racist then democrats, nor sexist, nor intelligent so it seems both parties show large numbers of minorities in their respective parties.

Racism exists, but is not really an issue with Obama, or any different than presidents of the past, of course not.  The tip of the ice berg is not what I see, it must be the sun bouncing off the Lilly white head of Joe Wilson.

Beck and Limbaugh do not fuel or in any way promote racism, since I do not listen to them, how would I know?  I never agreed or stated racism was a major part of anti Obama sentiment, for some reason I am not privy to the numbers of racists in this nation, especially when it is half hidden in a closet and sticks it’s ugly head out on special occasion, like tea bag rallies. We can look at racism as an added minor bonanza for Obama, a special opportunity other presidents did not have offended to them.

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By Shenonymous, September 30, 2009 at 5:57 am Link to this comment

So cool AFriend, I have both SimpleText and TextEdit.  What a good idea! 
I never thought to use such humble and unassuming word processing
devices!  Too easy, not looking for easy, always looking for the
sophisticated, my bad.  THANX (If I were Jewish I’d say shalom) so I’ll just
say havana good day.

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By AFriend, September 30, 2009 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

Apologies accepted without reservation.

While it may be an issue with how TruthDig handles formatting conversions I would bet your issues have more to do with the relationship between your text editor and browser - coupled, perhaps, with TruthDig’s set formatting. We can count how many characters TruthDig displays on each line and duplicate.

I would think that the simplest text editor would be best for copying into any browser.

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By Shenonymous, September 30, 2009 at 5:18 am Link to this comment

Oh christian96 you are so funny.  I heard Obama besides being half white
and half black, that he was half Christian half Muslim.  His white half is
Christian and his black half is Muslim.  What do you make of that?  Yeah,
it is probably time to drop the racist stuff.  The news has vetted it enough
as well.  Unless of course there are more racists comments made in public
over the airwaves.  Then it will start all over again.

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By christian96, September 30, 2009 at 5:08 am Link to this comment

Will you people please give the racism idea some
rest!  You are beating a dead horse!  Forget it!
Come up with something new.  How about Obama is from
outer space.  He is the son of aliens captured at
Area 51 at Roswell, New Mexico.  He is President
by day and Supermuslim by night.  He wears a multi-
colored cape and flies to Mecca at midnight to
received orders for the next day.

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By Shenonymous, September 30, 2009 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

AFriend, you are really kind.  I apologize again for I had no idea there
was weird formatting that was showing up.  No wonder you made the
comments you did!  Everything looks fine on my computer.  I have been
using Safari for years, and MSWord as a pre-edit device then copy/paste. 
I have never had that problem before.  I did notice that some of
elisalouisa’s and KDelphi’s are coming out with the sentences formatted
oddly as well.  So could it be a Truthdig website problem?  I will contact
the webmaster.  I am typing directly into the Submit box now and
bypassing the Word copy/paste I had been doing.  I don’t know if the
formatting will show up in the right formation. 

I have five browsers and thought it might be a browser problem, so I
tried all of them and another but different problem seems to still happen
on all of them.  For some posts the shape of the paragraphs are normal,
but for many many others they are so wide they run off the page to the
right.  I have a 20” iMac and this is not a problem I’ve ever had.  I just
wonder if anyone else has that strange problem?  This phenomenon does
not happen for all the forums.  Some are just fine, at least on my
computer they look fine!  The italics and bolding that happened to the
threads was my fault as I missed closing the brackets.  That is not related
to these other problems.  Thank you for your suggestion.  I will try the
Netscape mail as a text editor. I don’t know how to do that exactly since
I use Apple Mail but I will find out.  Again thank you.  Sorry for all of this,
and my apologies to all the Truthdippers.

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By AFriend, September 30, 2009 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

Are you using a text editor and pasting into the white board on TruthDig?

If I use Netscape mail as a text editor, and paste into my Web browser, the formatting will remain. However, if I use Word the formatting is lost.

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By AFriend, September 30, 2009 at 4:33 am Link to this comment

leefeller,

I wholeheartedly agree that having a black man, or even a white man, in the White House is food for bigots and racists. That is a given. While we can detest the bigotry there is absolutely nothing we can say or do to eradicate it. It’s human behavior.

While I am unaware of Joe Wilson describing himself as a racist, I find it very possible that he is. However, in all fairness, I will not state that as fact. But let’s not loose the context. Wilson was one man out of a couple hundred who shouted out at the both the wrong time and wrong venue. What he did was disrespectful!

When President Bush delivered his fifth State of the Union, and he spoke of Social Security being in trouble, and the whole of the democratic party shouted “NO” and booed the President of the United States, was that racism? Or was that an instantaneous sign of disrespect at the wrong time and in the wrong venue?

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I’m not certain but, you still seem to be missing my point. I believe it’s wrong to suggest that the MAJORITY of the president’s critics MUST be racists. I believe the man or woman who believes that, Carter, Robinson, Conason, Olbermen, even Bill Cosby are themselves the bigots.

There is no more racism or bigotry in the republican party than there is in the democratic party. There is no more bigotry amongst white people as there is amongst black or Hispanic people. Humans are human. To suggest otherwise is wrong. It will always be wrong.

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 9:16 pm Link to this comment

I am not seeing the problem on my computer.  Everything looks fine as
always.  So I was not aware anything weird was happening.  I will look into
it, thank you Night-Gaunt. And my apologies to AFriend.

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

Looks like I am the culprit for this italicizing.  On another forum it was the bolding.
Yikes.. My computer and browser are acting up giving some weird formatting and I
have to figure out what is the problem.  I only hope you will tolerate it.  I do
apologize.

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By Night-Gaunt, September 29, 2009 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment

“Maybe AFriend we are of dissimilar cultures and you do not understand my style of
writing.  Since my posts are thoughtfully crafted linguistically, you are the very first one in
three years I have posted on this and other forums to have made this complaint.”

This is what AFriend means by this above. Why do you affect the normal spacing of the sentences? If you are doing nothing then something changed somewhere with your interface or maybe the spacing of lines was accidentally changed. It is somewhat more difficult to read the text spaced in such an odd way. Have a look into it Shenonymous.

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By Leefeller, September 29, 2009 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment

When a member of Congress yells out “you lie”, to the president of the United State,  the only thing missing was the burning cross. No not every opponent to Obams is racist, but many are and the fanning of the racist fires is happening. So attempting to point out racism is just some more of the same treatment all presidents have received, seems most disingenuous.  I just happen to disagree. Asking one to provide proof is also disingenuous, for it will be subject to being deemed as insignificant in the same merit, as the watermelons and any other comments as already seen.

The death threats on the web towards Obama, sponsered by normal opponents, so the hate of not racists I suppose. More regular opponents to Obama, the same as all presidents have had in the past. 

Simple fact having a black man in the White House is food for bigots of racist vent seems most far fetched, silly me.

Yes, silly thoughts of anyone, suggesting racism is more than a minor factor, for one must be believing Obama is being treated just as all other presidents in the past, so when we hear “You lie”  by a self proclaimed racists we can safely assume this was not racist and is not just the tip of the ice berg.  Nice to know racism is not really a factor.

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment

Maybe AFriend we are of dissimilar cultures and you do not understand my style of
writing.  Since my posts are thoughtfully crafted linguistically, you are the very first one in
three years I have posted on this and other forums to have made this complaint.  However,
if anyone else reading this post has such trouble please let me know. Be prepared to be
precise.

No disrespect felt.  Since I teach logic and critical thinking, I am quite careful what I say,
how I say it, and why I say it, I take great care to make sure the right prepositions and verb
tenses are used.  Often I provide a great deal of researched information. But I do not think
I am making a bibliographed dissertation but rather in a way, talking with others as in a
conversation.  The structure is different than a formal linear paper. 

Perhaps you need short paragraphs to be able to glean meaning out of them?  I will keep
this commentary to small paragraphs since it is you I am addressing.  Perhaps you have a
taint of AD.  It might just also be that you find my sentiments repugnant and cannot read
much and that is quite all right.  It might be that a higher level of understanding is
required to understand my comments.

I often use metaphors and similes, which because of your different experiences of life from
mine, you may be unable to fathom their figure of speech.  That is all right too.  I don’t
expect just anyone to understand the reference of a metaphor.  My feeling:  if you
understand them fine, if you don’t still fine.  I suggest you desist in reading anything I
post. 

I admit to making typos every now and then, and I admit to inserting a sense of humor
often, and perhaps that is also where you are having trouble, possibly having no
appreciation for humor.  Although I once accused that you might have a sense of humor,
perhaps I was wrong.  I apologize if I was. 

If you would show me an example of the disjointed text of mine that has presented
difficulty for you, I will see if I can modify it just for you.

Of course every President has been treated differently.  They were different men with
different views.  Your strategy is by keeping distinctions out of any claim, you believe you
don’t have to show how they are different.  The dynamics of each President’s intentions
were different.  If you would specify exactly how all the previous Presidents were
treated since John Adams, it would help me to see your point.  But are you also saying
Washington didn’t have any detractors?  You might read the letter by Conway to Gates that
called him a weak general…Just for your information see this website:
http://www.ushistory.org/March/other/cabal.htm

Are there really always idiots in every crowd?  Are there really always racists and bigots in
the crowd?  To which crowd are you referring?  All crowds, or particular ones?  Which
opposition are you talking about? 

Regarding your point that President Bush, President Lyndon Johnson, and John Adams all
received bad treatment from an opposition,  and reviewing my 6:38pm response, I find I
explained myself very well my understanding the character of why Bush had so much hate
protest, why I could not speak well about the bad treatment of Lyndon Johnson, even giving
the ambience that might have contributed to why he might have been treated badly, and I
acknowledged the name-calling of John Adams by Jefferson.  My reference to 1776 was
obviously meant to indicate that that was a different time and a different culture. 
Were you not able to get that?  I can see you don’t like my view about the racism that
exists concerning Barak Obama’s opposition.  And that is the point, isn’t it?

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By AFriend, September 29, 2009 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

As not to be misunderstood I wish to make these few points once again

At no time have I suggested racism does not exist. The point is not individual or even groups of examples of idiocy. The point is not whether racism exists. There is simply no evidence that President Obama has been treated any different than every U.S. President since John Adams.

There are always idiots in the crowd. There are always racists and bigots in the crowd. But the majority of Americans chose a black American. This does not suggest the majority of opposition are racists. To suggest it appears to be an exercise in bigotry.

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By AFriend, September 29, 2009 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

If I have miss-characterized your position I apologize. I have to admit I couldn’t get through your entire last post. I intend to disrespect when I say your thoughts meander about the issues far too much for me. I wish you could stay more focused on the actual issue.—What you feel about Bush, the Iraq war, Johnson being from Texas or congressional censure is not the issue—.

I largely skip past your posts. The disjointed and broken text doesn’t make it easy on any reader. May I suggest you use a different text editor?

Again, my apologies if I missed your point.

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

Methinks you bend the truth to suit your arguements, AFriend.  That is sophistry.  I quote
you… Shenonymous and others will claim that other presidents simply deserved what was
hurled at them BUT, not President Obama.
  Where did I say that or even implied it?  You lie
for your own ass.  Sorry, but I thought you had some integrity, but you don’t.

Rotten apples in the barrel infect the other apples.  Especially if the barrel of apples are a
small minded lot.  Apples have brains you know.  They are always thinking am I a Gala, or a
Delicious, or a Braeburn?  Let’s say I am making a simile between rotten apples in a barrel of
Republicans and Rightists Conservative Republicans.

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By AFriend, September 29, 2009 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller,

You missed the point in everything I’ve said. At no time have I suggested racism does not exist. That is a given.

It’s not an issue of being white or black or yellow or democrat or republican. It’s an issue of being human. Suggesting anything otherwise is the easiest way to point to the definition of a bigot.

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Is the racism evident in how President Obama has been received by the MAJORITY of his opposition? That has always been the accusation.

Shenonymous and others will claim that other presidents simply deserved what was hurled at them BUT, not President Obama.

I will again ask for examples of the treatment President Obama has received that compares to Bill Clinton accused of murder and rape both before and during his presidency. I will ask for an example that nears the fact the President Clinton was once forced to leave a day early from a G20 summit due protesters threatening his life.

Watermelons and depictions of witch doctors from a small few will not prove me incorrect. There are always idiots in the crowd. There are always racists and bigots in the crowd. But the majority of Americans chose a black American. This does not suggest the majority against him are racists.

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

I do know about the hate campaign against Bush and it has not yet ended.  I was completely
disgusted with him and his company, I thought the Iraqi War was his war and often call it the
Bush War and an illegal war and I have made mention many time about the millions of Iraqis
killed and injured and made homeless, but I have never wished him, or Cheney harm.  I think
that war is the single most devastating thing he did to damage America.  (Yes, I can spell
America)  They were our highest officials.  Maybe they were corrupt but it takes a Congressional
action to censure them.  That did not happen for whatever political reason.  But you are right in
characterizing the hatred that was levied against him and his administration.  I wasn’t aware of
the Johnson remonstrations, but I can imagine with the Vietnam War still raging.  It was the 60s
and Johnson was a Texan, a count against him from the rest of the country fro the get go.  After
all that is the state where John Kennedy was murdered. Talk about someone being hated.  Such
is life regarding the Texas thing.  I’m not too fond of that state either.  I was a child of the 70s. 
I did read about Jefferson and his calling John Adams a hermaphrodite.  It kind of shocked me,
not the comment, but who said it!  I’ve certainly heard worse.  And poor hermaphrodites as
there are those twi-sexuals in the world.  They have a right to live with the same rights as
anybody.  But that was 1776 or there abouts. 

You are also correct that many examples of idiocy exist, and racism exists.  There is evidence of
it existing with respect to Obama.  He is just getting the hate-racist remarks, where the others
got hate remarks.  Just a tinge of color different.  If we were to weigh the comments of all those
you mentioned, it is hard to say who received the most.  Right now we are experiencing the
hate-racist and hate ideology kind and while I can intuit it is not more than others received, I
am still repulsed and have a very low opinion of those who engage in attacking a man’s
ethnicity, even his ideology. If they attacked specific programs which sound reasons given, that
is different.  Then I could decide if they have any merit.  I am an open minded person and do
listen to many points of view not just liberal. My friends know this of me . I simply will not listen
to their shrill desperate screeching. I detest irrational bigotry and hatreds.  So thank you for
taking the time to explain as well as you did what you did.  It is good to be reminded that
Obama is not the only president to get death threats, to be maligned in public, but he is to be
relentlessly denigrated for his ethnicity.

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By Leefeller, September 29, 2009 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

Ignoring racism or calming it is non existent is most despicable. One can disagree with Obama, and his policies, but the racists stuff feeds itself and was present from day one. It is one thing to dislike the man for what he stands for and another for his race.

Differences are vast, real and self propelling, racists are real, ignoring them as real, is most convenient for several reasons. Trying to prove racism does not exist or is present seems in the least simplistic.

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By AFriend, September 29, 2009 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

A protester at an anti-Bush event carried a sign which was printed “Kill Bush. Bomb his F’ing house”. Another read “Im here to kill Bush. Shoot me”. “BUSH: WANTED, DEAD OR ALIVE,” was another. Bush was depicted with a bloody hole in his forehead countless times.

There are countless examples of signs depicting Bush as Hitler - Hitler was white- Complete with the Sieg Heil salute and Swastika in the background and funny little mustache. The same image of President Obama simply wouldn’t work. Was this and example of massive racism by all who opposed President Bush? I honestly think not.

It was said that Bush was a mass murdering racist in causing the death of thousands black people in hurricane Katrina. How many times have we seen the accusation here on TruthDig claiming Bush and Cheney killed 3000 people on 9/11. I’m not here to defend President Bush. He’s but the most recent example of horrible accusations. True or not. They are well documented.

LBJ was a “liar and murderer in the highest degree”.
Ford was a complete “dunce” and a “criminal”.
Carter was a “racist”, “idiot”, “peanut farming”, “imperialist”.
Reagan the “amiable dunce”, “racist”, “war monger” who would “destroy the world” with “his 666 anti-Christ” existence.

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Nothing to date directed toward president Obama comes close to many of these examples of behavior by the opposition. So far the opposition pales in comparison.

Jefferson once called Adams an hermaphrodite.

The point is not individual or even groups of examples of idiocy. The point is not whether racism exists. There is simply no evidence that President Obama has been treated any different than every U.S. President since Adams.

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By Night-Gaunt, September 29, 2009 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

AFriend you seem to be projecting on me. I didn’t say it I reported it. I am well aware of the vast numbers of Christians of Hispanic, black and Asian descent. It is the crypto-racists of the pale persuasion that think they are the only “proper” Christians, not me. Color is on your mind by the way you twist it. And I dare say that none of those presidents were portrayed as foreign, enemy aliens. None of them. But Obama has and it works for him as much as against him. For you see that it gives him cover as he continues the present fascist shift we have been sliding toward since Reagan without a break. What the obvious fascists can’t do in our fixed system, a pseudo-Liberal like Clinton & Obama can get done.

However these threats also give impetus to those who would do violence which I am against. Even the gruesome twosome of Bush/Cheney deserve that protection. Just justice for those that they have killed and incarcerated without reason. By the use of the legal apparatus to do so as for every American and every person.

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By Leefeller, September 29, 2009 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Thanks She and KDelphi, I had seen these but do not keep track like Afriend should.

Removing ones head from where the sun don’t shine may be helpful for starters. Anyone who does not believe these are blatant racism would seem a blatant racist. Even more insane is having to define them as racist then having to defend them as racism!

Ass wipes be aware,  racism is seeping out all over the place, probably with your help for I doubt your head is up you arse, seems all and act.

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By christian96, September 29, 2009 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous—-I don’t hate you.  I don’t hate anyone.
I hate certain perople’s behavior.  I hate the
behavior of kidnapping, raping, and killing children.
Now, that’s something I hate.  Getting back to finding a way to peacefully use the democratic
process to throw out the bums who refuse to represent
the majority of us(Americans).  We could go down the
road of someone conducting an independent poll of
public satisfaction with someone in office one year
after they have been in office.  If the poll results
indicate more than 50% dissaproval then an election
be held for that seat within one year.  Vote the
bums out!  Isn’t that what’s democracy is all about?
I would also put up for public vote the benefits our
politicians are to receive.  For someone to receive the pension and benefits our elected representatives
do after just one term is unacceptable.  People
working for the government usually have to serve 30
years before receiving full pension and benefits.
I say we give an elected official a rating, such
as G12 when elected to the house of representatives
and a G15 for senators.  If an individual only serves
2 or 4 years then their pension and benefits are
prorated on the scale so that their penion reflects
the number of years they served.

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

Oh yeah, satire, oh yeah… Who the f’ do they think they are kidding? 
Not baby goats, thatsaf’sure.
Obama as witch doctor: Racist or satirical
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/17/obama.witchdoctor.teapart
y/index.html

President Obama as witch doctor on posters at Tea Party protests
(video) admit their poster may be racist!  Ya think?
http://www.examiner.com/x-12767-US-Headlines-
Examiner~y2009m9d17-President-Obama-as-witch-doctor-showing-
up-on-posters-as-part-of-Tea-Party-protests-video

These are Beck’s and Limbaugh’s bosom buddies.  Yes appearances are
everything and if it looks like they are racists, they hang out with
racists, and the even sound like racists without saying the racist word,
then you’d better damn well believe they are racists.

No one wants to believe Jimmy Carter’s claim of racism.  But some of us
do.  Yupperdoo we do!  Who do they think they are fooling?  Only fools,
thatsaf’sure.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200909170010
NY Times article disappears conservatives’ charges of racism against
Obama
September 17, 2009 11:14 am ET – Limbaugh gets a pass…while
conservatives whine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barack
obama/4691161/New-York-newspaper-accused-of-racism-over-
Barack-Obama-chimpanzee-cartoon.html
New York Post newspaper accused of racism over ‘Barack Obama
chimpanzee’ cartoon.  Editor in chief claims it was a parody. Oh
yeah…a parody.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4918487&page=1
Racism, Security Threats Issued for Obama, as far back as campaigin
May 2008, ABC News. 

http://pubrecord.org/multimedia/5191/revealed-party-march-really-
about/
Revealed: What the 9/12 D.C. Tea Party March Was Really About
The Public Record Sep 15th, 2009 Socialist, Nazi, Muslim, Anti-Christ,
Non-Christian, Hitler, Baby Killer. Those are just some of the choice
descriptions the far-right extremists interviewed on camera Saturday
(many who are clearly uneducated) uttered when discussing President
Barack Obama. This nine minute documentary is unreal.

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By KDelphi, September 29, 2009 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=Watermelons+on+the+White+House+lawn+picture&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=HWnCSv7tMIHVlAf086HfBA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1

AFriend—watermelons on wh lawn pics.

It was in an email from the office of Mayor Dean Grose of Los Alamitos , CA.

Posters of Obama as “witchdoctor”
http://www.examiner.com/x-12767-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m9d17-President-Obama-as-witch-doctor-showing-up-on-posters-as-part-of-Tea-Party-protests-video

The protestors who are racist (many)_ make it extremely difficult for those of us who would like to protest much of what he is doing, but are not racist, and I dont appreciate it at all.

The teabaggers made intl asses of themselves and have gotten all kinds of neo-liberals calling true liberals and socialists racists.

That being said, calliong someone a “racist” is not very effective, in that, the person will either answer “STF what??” or be insulted and you will have gained nothing.

I think the people with the watermelons and bone in nose would say, “STF what”? To pretend that rtacism isnt involved at all is just silly. To say that all criticism towards him is racist is equally silly.

As far as FOX News, etc goes, I am not sure that they are treating him alot different than the neo-cons always treat someone they disagree with. (ie someone that might effect their stock mkt profits—I say, “NO worries” with Obama!)The race issue is just a “Southern strategy” bonus for them.

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By AFriend, September 29, 2009 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,

“The opposition thinks most Christians in the USA are white”? How many times will you attempt to offend people by color? Most black Americans are profoundly Christian, Night-Gaunt.

Right wing Clinton? You believe only democratic presidents are brutally attacked?

“When was the last time a president was portrayed as an enemy (alien)”? Alien no. Enemy? Oh yes. Examples such as Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush. Yes you can look it all up. All were characterized as the enemy by the opposition. All had their own percieved characterizations used against them. All were viciously hung in effigy.

Yes. You see race as the issue. Skin color is ever on your mind. Of this you have left no doubt. Unfortunately history proves you incorrect about the rest.

—-

All president have been brutally, dishonestly, and viciously attacked. President Obama is not the exception. He happens to be black.

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By Night-Gaunt, September 29, 2009 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

Sorry I should have clarified that the opposition thinks most Christians in the USA are white. I haven’t seen the most recent demographics to to know myself.

Lets see they say that Obama isn’t of this country, he is a terrorist, a Muslim (which is a slam in this country), that he will “take our guns” and other nonsense that he hasn’t exhibited. He is a right winger by the way he is acting. So yes. You could see them yourself if you look—taking off those blinders will help.

When was the last time a president was portrayed as an enemy alien?The kind of hate speech against him like what was done before the Kennedy assassination in 1963.  Look it up.

The same thing happened to right wing Clinton unlike the Republican presidents before and after him which the right wing press protected.

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By AFriend, September 29, 2009 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

I have not seen photographs of watermelons on the White House lawn. Is there a photo circulating which has been attributed to the president’s critics? Has any prominent opposition used such a photo? Does such a photo exist?

The question is not whether there are idiots in the world. The question isn’t whether or not racism exists. These things are a given. The question is whether or not this president has been received any differently than his predecessors.

I have seen countless accusations of racism directed toward President Obama. I have yet to see any examples of it.

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By AFriend, September 29, 2009 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,

Obama The Magic Negro was from the L.A. Times. A stupid individual act that was highlighted and denounced by the likes of (racist) Limbaugh.

All who accuse the so-called Birthers of racism are making the issue about race. Your own “most Christians are white” belief is a terrific case in point. Also what has capitalism vs socialism got to with racism?

You see a race issue solely do to the president’s skin color. What has that got to do with people being critical of any and all presidents?

Clinton himself said he was accused of murder. He was also accused of being a violent rapist? Were these horrible things thrown at him due to his color? Can you lend us some examples of equally outrageous and potentially harmful accusations thrown at the current president? I have yet to see anything so outrageous directed toward President Obama.

Racism certainly does exist but, the notion that most of he current president’s critics are racists seem wholly unsupported.

All presidents are brutally criticized. All are accused of the most dastardly things. All have things we recognize in their individual character made sport of.

I’ll ask again. Can you give us some examples of how this president has been treated any different than his predecessors?

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By Leefeller, September 29, 2009 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

Night Guant,

My comment was in response to Jason’s imbecilic comment suggesting the portrayal of watermelons growing in front of the White House, as racist is really my problem as a closet racist.  I may have been extra cryptic, which on occasion I seem to do with a twist of sarcasm thrown in.

Sorry about that.

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

Oh Louise, that worked out sooo very well…Granny Weeze!  In your
honor, I shall have my younguns call me from now on Grammer Usses
‘cept it doesn’t really rhyme with my name.  It’s okay, they will get used to
it. It does sort of alliterate with Gramma Cusses.

We have to commence to cure christian96 as he now seems afflicted
with the weezes and usses.  Oh, how I rue the day I ever felt oppressed
by the weezes and usses.  Who ever said the truth will set you free?  In
his infinite wisdom, I guess Leefeller did give us warnings, a couple
of times, if I recall correctly.  aaarrgh.

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

You got me there christian96.  Hey christian96 is that you? 
Except for your little bit of silliness, which I dearly appreciate, youse
knows I love humor, you are asking some very cogent questions.  I
think I can actually take you as a serious thinker now.  I’m so glad you
don’t hate me anymore!  While mostly hidden, there is a charming side
to me (especially when I’m not swearing like a Welshwoman). 
Ahem…
Since democracy is a noun denoting a cognitive process, we cannot ask
it to take any action.  We have to ask something that can, the demos,
or the body of people in a democracy, to take action.  The trick is to
motivate the demos to act.  I’ve run across a list of sites that offer ways
of motivation.  Problem is they are all in contention:  one offers 5 ways,
another 6 ways, another 7, one at 15, and another 100!  Now I am
really confused.  Undoubtedly clever propaganda is a very good way,
but the propaganda has to be repeated at least seven times to each
and every person who is capable of acting before they “get the
message.”  This is visually and aurally.  But that is no guarantee of
incitement to action.  It is a matter of transforming social thinking into
social acting.  We need to develop an algorithm.  Hey there,
Truthdippers, anybody out there have an idea on starting our
algorithm?  christiain96 and I are collaborating on peacefully correcting
the actions of our anus-self-watching politicians from giving our
national treasury to themselves, to their wall street and banking family
and friends, etc.)

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By christian96, September 29, 2009 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous—-Thanks for adding clarity to the
definition of a democracy.  When politicans
we(some of us) elect start wars in other non-democratic nations it is up to us citizens to
correct the actions of the politicans we(some of
us)elected.  How do we peacefully correct those
actions?  The same could be asked of politicans
we(some of us)elected who decide to give OUR money
to their friends(wall street, banking, etc.).  How
does a democracy peacefully correct those actions?

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By Night-Gaunt, September 29, 2009 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

No Louise pointing out their factual errors doesn’t empower them. They and their psychophants & heirophants may do so anyway, but others who are not just may listen.

I don’t quite understand you statement LeeFella, does that mean that when I bring up the racism of others it becomes mine own? A nice way of killing criticism no matter how valid. Now on Limbaugh today Obama and the hymnals & such sung in the original German. “Indoctrination hasn’t been this fun since 1933!” Funny they weren’t bothered with the laws created by Bush/Cheney that had laws and edicts that were more in line with 1933. Or those that Obama maintains to this day.

As for the “vast right wing conspiracy” Clinton couldn’t be more wrong it is much larger than ever and has much more impact. The internet is far more wide spread than it was in 1994.

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By Louise, September 29, 2009 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,
“Poor Louise, will you ever be the same, shall “we” let it go?  I
promise not to rag on it ever again.  I am soooo sorrry for causing a
psychosis.  To hell with the inclusive weeze.  To hell with the inclusive
usses, to hell with the defecating alls.”

~~~

Hey that’s a really nice way of saying I’m sorry. smile

No need, no psychosis, it’s been fun and I agree. Time to let the weeze go.

(But can the little ones still call me Granny Weeze?)

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By Leefeller, September 29, 2009 at 9:56 am Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, seems bringing up the “magic Negro” is now really your own problem, it has been foretold by raciest exposes extraordinaire. Seems I need help according to the learned one, so as suggested. 

If one uses this as logic, everyone who disagrees or provides opinion needs help, 

Since I have raised watermelons, my shame has no place to hide, ” Hi, I am a racist”, does this revelation mean I have to get rid of my Obama Chia pet, confederate flag and pink (problem in the wash)  KKK outfit?

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By Louise, September 29, 2009 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,

“Quantity is less important than quality. Wouldn’t any of you agree?”

~~~

Well yes, of course. Unless someone tends to be more impressed wih volume than what comes out of the speaker. The simple truth has to be, the more Beck and Limbaugh are attacked, the happier they be!

At the risk of repeating myself, I repeat myself:

“Maybe Clinton’s right! Maybe the “conservative conspiracy” isn’t as vast as it use to be. Maybe like coffee simmering on the hot plate all day, it’s condensed into vapor, except for the very nasty stuff at the bottom of the pot.”

It’s that very nasty stuff at the bottom of the pot we need to be aware of. If we leave it on the stove, sooner or later it will simmer down to the point where it burns itself up into nothing more than smelly, sour ash. But while that’s happening, we need to keep an eye on the pot to make sure it doesn’t burn through the bottom and set the kitchen on fire!

[Apologies to all those who don’t have a coffee pot, and to the whoevers who do not like to be included in my we’s. smile]

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

Poor Louise, will you ever be the same, shall “we” let it go?  I
promise not to rag on it ever again.  I am soooo sorrry for causing a
psychosis.  To hell with the inclusive weeze.  To hell with the inclusive
usses, to hell with the defecating alls.  Youse are such a good, cool
commenter.  Don’t waste your computer typing on that linguistic tirade of
mine.  I promise I give it up. But I won’t give up my Corona!

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By Night-Gaunt, September 29, 2009 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

“Obama the Magic Negro” sound familiar? All the birthers who question that he is American, that he is Christian (most are white in this country), that he isn’t a Capitalist and it goes on. If you aren’t looking for it you usually do not find it. Unless you have blinders on and you keep missing the obvious because you don’t want to see it. Jason fits that profile.

Quantity is less important than quality. Wouldn’t any of you agree?

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By Louise, September 29, 2009 at 8:57 am Link to this comment

Gosh guys, good to know you-all are paying attention. Am I fixated/involved with trying to prove some semantics issue? Good grief no! I didn’t start this dumb-ass debate. I couldn’t care less!
I thought it might be good for a chuckle, but ... silly me.

Is Beck a racist? Is Limbaugh? Who knows?

I think the bigger question is why the heck does/do the media and some/many here give the creeps (my view) so much cover?

Except for the daily dose of media blurbs, I suspect, (can’t speak for anyone else) I never would have heard of either one of them.

Some folks in Beck’s home town were a bit bent out of shape because their Mayor gave Beck the key to the city. So bent out of shape that the City Council voted unanimously to distance themselves from the Mayor and his key-giving ceremony. So bent out of shape that when Beck got his key, he gave a key to his house to the Mayor, just in case the Mayor needs somewhere to go if he gets run out of town.

So he’s gone away and the folks back home are trying to recover from that happy stint. Happy because Beck supporters filled the hall, and got to see Beck cry. Happy because the Council and the Mayor have been forced to take sides. Happy because a lot of folks who never watch cable and never heard of Beck now know what he is, and what a lot of the folks in his home-town think of him. But mostly happy because it’s over.

Beck and Limbaugh are what they are, and it’s not likely they’ll ever change.
So can we move on?

[Oh no! Not the dreaded, all-inclusive WE! smile]

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By jason, September 29, 2009 at 8:47 am Link to this comment
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RE: Leefeller, September 29 at 11:30 am #

If you equate watermellons to racism, you have issues. That is part of the problem I think. Many ppl accusing others of racism to sheild their own shame.

I dont know the relation of fruit and racism but its a good case in point. Someone takes an innocent picture of a fruit and you want to turn it into something else.

I doubt limbaugh or beck took the picture anyway so if that is what you are basing this whole racism thing on, I really think you have issues. In other words, they are not the problem, its you and you need to come to terms with you own problems.

Blaming others for your issues does not solve anything. seek help

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By Leefeller, September 29, 2009 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

Who was the last president to have pictures of water melons growing on the White House lawn circulated around?

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By AFriend, September 29, 2009 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

This is truly intriguing.

In this thread alone there are 155 comments to date. On a previous item, “Where Did All These Marchers Come From?”, 67 comments. On “Jimmy Carter Is Right”, 61 comments. On “Joe Wilson’s Confederate Cronies” 39 comments.

Dating back to Sept. 16, the above stories and followup comments display numerous accusations of racism directed toward President Obama after others have been critical of the president. Yet nobody here has yet seen or shared a single example of how the current president has been received differently than his predecessors.

It begs the question: Where does this widespread accusation of racism hold its roots? Is it as simple as being in the minds of people who put a terrific amount of importance on the color of people’s skin? Is this a case of projecting onto others one’s own attitudes and perceptions of race?

Intriguing.

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness.” 

In this case the use of the word “we” is used to signify those 56 men
who signed the Declaration of Independence and so signed it on behalf
of all citizens in the colonies (though at that moment, they were no
longer colonies but were magically transformed mentally into sovereign
states.  Reality of statehood came into being at the signing of the
Constitution).  It is still unstable to use the inclusive we/us/all when
proposing personal beliefs, especially beliefs about politics of as
diverse and large a politic body as the United Sovereign States.  Of
course I see that Declaration a bit strange using the word Happiness. 
Seems it should have been “Decent Life.”  Drunks think themselves
quite happy even though their diseased kidneys and livers will kill them
long before their demographical life-time.  Also bigots oddly think
themselves happy in their misery.

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By Leefeller, September 29, 2009 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

Louise, it is not the someones which are annoying, it is the all inclusive “we” or “us” which I find wrongly used. Some examples:

We are a Nation of imbeciles, all of us are morons, we love to kill people in other nations as well as at home. It must be dependent upon us to take over and control the world. We attacked Iraq to bring Democracy to the world.  My favorite, “we”  we are a Christian Nation!

The all inclusive “we” seems to force everyone into the same pigeon hole, try taking something or an issue you disagree with and use the word “we” in a sentence, you may find we agree, if not so be it.

Shester may have a much more in depth comment on the subject.

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By Shenonymous, September 29, 2009 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

Definitionally, a democracy is fourfold, each of which could be
expanded more in depth:  A democracy is:
1.  A political system for choosing and replacing the government
through free and fair elections and is a means for the people to choose
their leaders and to hold their leaders accountable for their policies and
their conduct in office.  The people decide who will represent them in a
central governing body, i.e., Congress, who will had the government at
the national and local levels often by choosing between competing
parties in regular, free and fair elections.
2.  As an obligation, the key role of citizens is actively participate
peacefully in politics and civic life by becoming informed about public
issues, observe carefully how political leaders and representatives use
their powers, and to express the own opinions and interests.
3.  Every citizen is protected to have certain basic human rights that
include freedom of speech, religion, thought and beliefs, association,
freedom of movement and assembly, and able to protest its
government’s actions and the state cannot take any away.
4.  A system of rules of law in which the laws and procedures apply
equally to all citizens.  These rules are the instruments by which the
rights of a country’s citizens are protected, maintains general order,
and limits the power of the government.  The laws provide that all
citizens enjoy the same rights, are free from discriminated against on
the basis of race, religion, ethnicity, or gender, nor may be arrested,
imprisoned, or exiled arbitrarily.

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By christian96, September 29, 2009 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

Louise—-I know you were/are involved with trying to
prove some semantics issue but after reading your
comments I began thinking about this concept “democracy” WE on this site toss around as
if we really understood what it means.  Does it mean
we can VOTE for a person to represent us in
government but then that person falls victim to
his/her thoughts and accepts money from the ruling
corporations(is that a he/she/we or IT). I’m not
sure what a corporation is but it seems to be able
to control humans.  Back to “democracy.”  Does
democracy mean I/WE can sit at our little keyboards
and express our thoughts in words on a site but then
so I can express my thoughts.  Can’t other people
in non-democratic systems express their thoughts but
they have to be careful who they express them to.
On the other hand WE in a democracy have to be careful who we express our thoughts to or some human/s serving a corporation can make our life
miserable if not eliminate it.  What is a democracy?
There are greater minds out their than mine. Can
we have a civic lesson?  WHAT IS A DEMOCRACY?

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By Larz, September 29, 2009 at 5:28 am Link to this comment
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Is it possible for the regulars here to see the hypocrisy in these posts? The very same bigotry and hate filled speech most are complaining about is exhibited here in spades. The only difference I see has to do with the political side of the isle most here reside.

Is it possible for most here to see this honest truth? Or will you all go about your lives harboring your own deep seated prejudices while hurling your hatred toward others?

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By Leefeller, September 28, 2009 at 11:36 pm Link to this comment

Not a shred of evidence, is this supposed to be shreds beyond a reasonable doubt or is this like where someone is supposed to prove something exists when it does, sort of the opposite of asking an atheist to prove the non existence of god?

Those shreds are hard to come by, no Beck and Limbaugh are not the Raciest s, but they seem to be close.

Tolerance seems to flow from their every pore,  one could say they are really like Mother Tresa in drag, helping people in need around the world.

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By jason, September 28, 2009 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment
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like i thought. an entire thread of opinion but not a single shred of evidence to support the racist claim.

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By Louise, September 28, 2009 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, Leefeller,

When someone/thing gets up in the morning, or in the middle of the night, or some/any other time of day or night, and launches their keyboard in the battle to save the world, there’s a good chance they, them, it, is/are human. (Unless they’re here from the Mother ship.) So in that context one can safely refer to them or they, as us or we. I think.

However if someone or a lot of someones tend to quickly go off the deep end, (according to what I think is the deep end) they/it/them may be from a group which can/may/might be loosely defined as conservative, right-wing, wing-nut, Libertarian, blue-dog, plain dog, misled, misinformed, too informed, opinionated, without opinion, whacky, crazy, angry, zealot, religious, sincere, insincere, brain-damaged or simply committed, but not yet formally committed.

In other words, them. (I think) As opposed to us. (Or many, or some, I think.)

I personally like to target. Like in my view, most all so-called conservative right-wing whackos are, well, whackos. But I suppose there may actually be some who are simply bone dumb. Who knows? I do know for sure some liberals are bone dumb, and a lot of democrat congressaurs are too. (Funny how money will cause that disease.)

In any case, unless or until truthdig lets me post a few million words at a time (let us pray that never happens) I rather suspect I’ll slip from time to time and lump folks together.

By the way, my children and their children don’t even know what a Glenn Beck is. Ask ‘em, you’ll get a, “Huh?” And here’s another bit of news nobody asked for but I’ll give it anyway. None of my Mormon friends know what it is either. But good luck with your web-site William W. Wexler.

Maybe Clinton’s right! Maybe the “conservative conspiracy” isn’t as vast as it use to be. Maybe like coffee simmering on the hot plate all day, it’s condensed into vapor, except for the very nasty stuff at the bottom of the pot.

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By Leefeller, September 28, 2009 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

The Great divide is a most important tool in support of status quo or selected change.  Religion, politics, color, language, even economic status all used through history, to focus on differences. Beck and company and others seem no different. Fanatic authority has been on going throughout history, one simple example used most effectively can be shown as used by the Nazis,  addressing concerns and discomfit of some to attack others, considered different or of lower class, why not create second class citizens.

Belief supports submissive tendencies of those inclined not to think, thus removing the individual from itself into a belief for a cause. We see an abundance of fanatics promoting themselves as self proclaimed Hierarchy’s, usually in order to manipulate and control. Providing a nurturing feeling of belonging in support of a most noble cause is what seems to be.  Basically, a constant posturing for followers. 

One can listen the words of the song and hope, “we stand together, every man, women and child.: Unfortunately some see this as their cause, but not mine.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 28, 2009 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

christian96, September 28 at 10:20 am #

The meek shall inherit the earth!
********************************************

Not if the religious fanatics have anything to say about it.  All they’ll inherit is the right to be slaves and till the earth—for the ones running things.

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By christian96, September 28, 2009 at 7:20 am Link to this comment

The meek shall inherit the earth!

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By Shenonymous, September 28, 2009 at 7:13 am Link to this comment

Making the easy, and mentally lazy, leap from a few to the all (from “some” who may
be sick, to the “whole world”) is the best example why I carp about using inclusives.  I don’t
believe for a second the whole world is sick.  For instance, are you sick?  I am not!  Well, let
me step back for a second…unless being human is a sickness, then I guess there would be
arguments about that f’sure.  I happen to think there is some redeeming value to being
human.  If you don’t then I suggest that you jump off the nearest bridge and end your
misery.

How to remove the rotten apples without removing morality would be a major advancement. 
But then there are arguments as to just who are the rotten apples.  Rightists and Leftists
would argue vehemently and elephants and jackasses would be in a royal battle to the end. 
Hard to say who would win:  While there are more jackasses in the world, elephants are
bigger and have tougher asses than the jacks.  Would the ones in the middle inherit the
world?  Or would elephants and jackasses just emerge once again when the war was over? 
Am I talking about the Nietzschean eternal return?  Yeah, I probably am.  But I also think
one cycle is never to the exact former state.  There is progress regardless of how glacial.

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By Leefeller, September 28, 2009 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

Is it possible the more outrageous they become,  people like Glen Beck seem to have more followers Not sure what we think of people like Beck, a little muddy water here.

For me Beck seems a clown, with a red nose, big floppy feet and a horn, with his endearing audience of elephants holding tea bags close to their big hearts,  all under the big top.

Negative publicity for people like Beck and company is still publicity, which people like Beck seem to thrive on, all part of their shtick.

Looking at all the outrageous and silly untruths brought to the general public’s attention. Are children watching this crap by Beck and clowns, and people worry about the president talking to their children?

Beck and company seem very sick, our nation in acceptance seems sick and maybe the world is too!

Christian96, my therapist could be a Muslim. unlike you she never talks about religion.  I asked her about standing out in a huge thunder and electoral storm in ones shorts after watching LINGERIE FOOTBALL and if there could be a co inky dink?  She mentioned one possible connection could be a reason to be committed to a padded cell. Of course she was joking!

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By William W. Wexler, September 28, 2009 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

I recently launched a Glenn Beck website that may be of interest to some here. I have several goals for it; one is to provide a catalog of Beck’s most outrageous and vicious attacks on public figures. Another is to dissect his “9 Principles”, the foundation of his teabagger-inspiring movement, the so called “9/12” group.  Another is to determine how his highly- and piously-professed conversion to Mormonism affects his worldview and squares with the Mormon church.

I have 3 activist goals at present; one is to get a statement from the Mormon Church that either endorses or distances itself from Glenn Beck. The second is to get an official statement from the Libertarian Party on whether they embrace Beck’s views or not.  The third is to support and expand the advertising boycott that Color of Change has been running so effectively.

Please visit http://www.glennbeckreport.com and consider helping me with content.  You can either post your views or email them to me.  If you would like to take a more active role, we can discuss that through email.

I would appreciate editorial help from the many Truthdig visitors who find Beck to be as disingenuous and dangerous as I do.

-Wexler

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By Shenonymous, September 28, 2009 at 3:24 am Link to this comment

Problem is, when using the inclusives, we, us, our, all, etc., one is
combined with the very odious ones found most obnoxious to the nose as
they are part of the social fabric in ‘Merika.  It is that reason my
psychiatrist insisted I desist in using the collectives.  And I have to admit
that ever since the political rash has virtually disappeared.  Keeping
things murky is one way to never really deal with the reality.  Murky must
not be confused with ‘Merkin, for it would be very difficult for a ‘Merkin
to wear a murky.

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By christian96, September 28, 2009 at 3:09 am Link to this comment

Leefeller—-Hope your therapist is a Christian
therapist.  Otherwise it’s just the blind leading
the blind.  Hope you are having a wonderful Yom
Kippur!

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By Outraged, September 28, 2009 at 12:02 am Link to this comment

Media Matters EXPOSES Glen Beck:

To whit:

Beck explains to “idiots” what “our Founding Fathers really intended” in the Constitution. In the introduction to a chapter titled, “The U.S. Constitution: Lost in Translation,” Beck mocks “idiots” who don’t share his interpretation of the Constitution:”
http://mediamatters.org/research/200909230042

AND:
“New low: Beck and right-wing media minions fearmongering about kids to attack progressives September 24, 2009 4:20 pm ET

Glenn Beck and other right-wing media figures have recently fearmongered about how President Obama and progressive policies will harm children; among other things, Beck and these other media figures have repeatedly accused Obama of “indoctrinating” school children, aired unauthorized videos of children singing Obama’s praises, and attacked Obama’s “school saftey czar.” On his September 25 television show, Beck plans to continue the trend by hosting 9-12 Project mothers, along with their children, who are “concerned” about “their kids’ futures.”

http://mediamatters.org/research/200909240026

But we shouldn’t leave out ol’ Limpbag himself:

“Bill Mann at HuffPost pulls back the curtain a bit and explains one of the reasons why Rush Limbaugh over the years has been able to line up approximately 600 radio outlets to carry his show, a number the media always use to tout the talker’s influence.

Answer: Limbaugh and his syndicator give the show to some stations for free. Writes Mann:”
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200904130023

Really… what does that tell you?  But who am I to say…. hey, entertain yourself (LOL):
http://mediamatters.org/search/index?qstring=limbaugh

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By Night-Gaunt, September 27, 2009 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

I liked what the late Dr. Robert Anton Wilson would say, just to be complete, said it this way. “Some but not all” covered in all cases (ironically) since otherwise we run the risk of a 100% inclusive which usually doesn’t occur in the realm of what humans want or believe. Somewhere, someone will not agree with us or you or me so that covers that variable.

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By Leefeller, September 27, 2009 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

Louise, in order to be consistent, which I am occasionally able to do, calling attention to posters using the proverbial “we” to task used to be important to me, I have even asked Chris Hedges when using “we”, if he had a frog in his pocket.  Though I this use annoying, lately I have been working hard to ignore it, if for no other reason than politeness and of course recommendation by my therapist.

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By elisalouisa, September 27, 2009 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

Well put Night-Gaunt. I would like to say Cool Man Cool but that is against my
better judgment.

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By Night-Gaunt, September 27, 2009 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

The flag has been turned into a religious fetish and metonymic icon of those who would rather pledge to the flag instead of to our founding documents which are the real core of this country. I posit that our flag could look like anything and it wouldn’t matter as long as we used our founding documents to rule wisely and carefully.

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By elisalouisa, September 27, 2009 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

By Folktruther, September 27 at 1:27 pm #
Elisa, the flag IS a filter on the truth about governement and religion. The
young are tuaght to pledge allegience to the flag so when someone in
authority waves it, the young of one country will march off to kill, maim, loot,
rape and terrorize the young of another.  The political respect we are taught for
the flag mirrors the religious respect we are taught for God.  Both are power
symbols, and serve the power structure rather than the people of a polity.
******************************
You are right Folktruther and that is my point exactly but I did not express it as
well as you. I hope you followed the thread further down. It started with a
comment as to the excellent artistic qualities of Mr Fish’s cartoons, especially
one posted on September 23, 2009 with a flag stained in blood and standing over it a vulture like duck/eagle with a bloody beak and plumed tail, a symbol of arrogance if I
ever saw one. The eyes held an empty gaze perhaps symbolic of the emptiness
such action requires. In reaching adulthood filters are difficult to remove
especially in that most adults do not even realize their existence. They
definitely benefit government and religion. Thank you for all your posts
and your concern.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 27, 2009 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

christian96, September 27 at 9:39 am #

I Corinthians 6:10:  “DRUNKARDS SHALL NOT INHERIT
THE KINGDOM OF GOD!”

        WORDS FROM THE BOOK OF TRUTH
*********************************************

Trust a religious fanatic to pull a biblical quote out of context and then clumsily and narrowly mis-interpret it.

Leefeller: If you are gonna waste yer money on Cabo tequila then save the dinero and buy the cheap stuff.

Cabo costs like Chinaco (costs even more!) and drinks like the cheap stuff.  It’s like somebody poured MD 20/20 into a Rothschild bottle of a cabernet.

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By Louise, September 27, 2009 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, September 27 at 3:09 pm #

“Louise, when one includes us or we in their monologues, it would be correct to not include me.

“relatively normal mind” can be said to include us and we?”

~~~

I guess that all depends on what’s relative, doesn’t it? In the case of truthdiggers it seems to me, possibly exclusively, even normal may be called into question, unless we, us, they, them, some, many, you and/or I consider normal to be inclined to bitch a lot.

Good thing we have this place to do it, or we may find ourselves without family or friends.

Oh there I go, doing it again! Sorry.

Good thing I have this place to do it, or I may find myself without family or friends.

That better?

By the way, excepting this particular rant, I don’t think I’ve ever by name included you. But if you want to be included, welcome friend, feel free. smile

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By Shenonymous, September 27, 2009 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

You are perceptive Folktruther, and expressed it very well. Your
explanation is exactly why Betsy Ross made that first flag, or so the
legend goes.  We also use the national flag to drape over coffins of the
killed in action, wounded in action, or served in action.  I have my
father’s coffin flag.  It sits in a trunk waiting its turn to be burned
probably by my descendents.  It is a symbol, and some of us get it and
some of us don’t.  But it is bastardized in the name of too much no
good (the power structure) and that is where you are absolutely correct. 
But it is only a symptom, not the disease.  The cure is elusive given the
diversity and size of the common population and the ones who have a
stake in keeping the common population ignorant.  Slogans,
propaganda, symbols are what gets to the masses, now via the
ethernet.  I believe there is no cure, only bandaids.  The push-me pull-
you between the Leftists and the Rightists is a spectacle to behold and I
am guessing a necessary one so that neither radical group overruns the
oblivious multitude.  The fanaticism of L&R is frenetic and appeals to
the numb of mind, the anesthetized.  There is no wake up call for
them. You know that.  The ignorant will always be tittilated by the
flamboyant.  But I would give caution to come down on the side of
rationality if the good of the people is really the grand cause.  Don’t we
have enough madness in the world as it is?

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By bogi666, September 27, 2009 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

christian96 check out the Discovery, Animal Planet, Science and other channels like them if you want to learn about Science, like Einstein and others Hubble, Geology and A&E there’s are informative channels available. Some programs you may want to view more than once, like relativity for instance. It may take watching programs about relativity more than once to gain an understanding, although I speak for myself and don’t project my lack of ability onto others.

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By Folktruther, September 27, 2009 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

Elisa, the flag IS a filter on the truth about governement and religion. The young are tuaght to pledge allegience to the flag so when someone in authority waves it, the young of one country will march off to kill, maim, loot, rape and terrorize the young of another.  The political respect we are taught for the flag mirrors the religious respect we are taught for God.  Both are power symbols, and serve the power structure rather than the people of a polity.

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By Shenonymous, September 27, 2009 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

The wilted stage where the aphids and grasshoppers have eaten it?

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By christian96, September 27, 2009 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

At what stage of development is the flower Glenn
Beck IN the garden of life?

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By christian96, September 27, 2009 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

I forgot to ask:  At what stage of development is
the flower Glenn Beck is the garden of life?

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By christian96, September 27, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

WE are all like flowers in the garden of life.  Some
are starting to bloom; some are in full blossom;
some are withering; and sadly some are wilted. It
all depends upon their genetic propensity and amount
of nourishment they are receiving or have received.

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By Leefeller, September 27, 2009 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

Louise, when one includes us or we in their monologues, it would be correct to not include me.

“relatively normal mind” can be said to include us and we?

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By Louise, September 27, 2009 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

... The only thing I disagree with you about is your using the inclusive “we” and “us.”  If you would replace those words with “some,”

~~~

Point well taken, I’ll try to be more careful in the future. smile

I never watch FOX. I just watch local news occassionally to make sure we’re still here. Which led to googleing Beck, when I heard, “the most watched” Beck was going to be in the area on Saturday, (I would have bet he wouldn’t show up, but he did) which led to more reports I repeated about his being most watched.

Now given as how we, us, some, many know the news can be biased, or simply wrong because “reporters” don’t always verify what they report, or pick and choose which can and does often change the meaning of any reported reports, the report reported about Beck being most watched could be a completely wrong report. Maybe I need to check with Kieth.

In any case, trying to understand how such a thing could be possible I finally settled on the fact that the relatively normal mind likes to find something to laugh at. Ergo, watch Glenn Beck.

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By Shenonymous, September 27, 2009 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

So glad, AFriend cause my whole name is Shenonymous Hyperbole Meticulous. 
To know me is to love me, well…after a while.  I seem to grow on folks…like a wart,
even if I seem pretentious, it only seems that way.  Seems like you have a sense of
humor after all.  Whew!  Ain’t too many here that do. 

Leefeller is a whole lot funnier, he is my mentor.  Quick, incisive, brief is his
forte, buuuuttttt nnnnoooottttt mine.  My baggage is overflowing with words,
specially chosen mind you, probably over the heads of most… ahs do have fun. 

I’d druther go after the likes of L&B and wish all the excellent spears thrown at them
on this forum could hit their mark!  But they have a right to be assholes as much as
anybody in ‘Merika.  Sorry for the potty language, but they seem to warrant it.  I do
think, however, they will make it to christian96’s Kingdom of God.  I can just
imagine when they are all there what will they do for entertainment without the
liberals and leftists to burn or hang?  Endless etchasketching?

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By Leefeller, September 27, 2009 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

Cabo anejo?  One would have to inherit Trumps wig in order to pay for Cabo anejo!

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By PatrickHenry, September 27, 2009 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

Racism, predjudice, bigotry.  Insular walls within us all, the wall either fades or grows higher depending on the common ground we share.

The educated bigoted against the uneducated, blue eyes against brown, blondes vs brunettes, religious at odds with the non religious, the fat against the thin.  The elites against us all, fix your own damn air conditioner, Trump.

Christian 96, it’s no wonder the first miracle was water into wine, however I would prefer a nice Cabo anejo.

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By AFriend, September 27, 2009 at 7:24 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

You’ll need to trust me when I tell you there is absolutely nothing you could say that would find me offended. More than anything your antics make me smile:)

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By Leefeller, September 27, 2009 at 7:13 am Link to this comment

While some people prefer to inherit the wind, other people continue pissing in the wind and believe they are profoundly proving something?

Wile reading the Adult Version of the “Three Pigs written by Hot Hilda”, unknowingly during a thunder and lighting storm someplace else on the world,  I discovered my middle toes are longer then the rest of the toes on my two left feet, now don’t this seem a most interesting co-inky-dink!

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By Shenonymous, September 27, 2009 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

Contrary to what you say, please state how you are not being bettered
by your present government, elisalousia?  Are you oppressed, are
you prevented from saying your mind?  Are you hindered in any way to
pursue the kind of life you want to have?  Are you starving?  Are you
without health insurance?  Do you drive a car?  Are you educated in
‘Merika?  Do you shop where you want to?  Do you buy what you want
to?  Do you live where you can afford to?  Do you not have enough
money?  How much do you need?  While I may not agree with you, I do
respect that you may say your mind and have said so in many ways
many times here and on many other forums. 

An occasional song about the person most responsible for the well-
being of this country is appropriate, Leefeller as well as sailor
songs (What do you do with a drunken sailor?”, oh, ask
christian96, but then the fly boys would complain, “Off we go,
into the wild blue yonder…riding high into the sky….,” then the Marines
would be bitter if “From the Halls of Montezuma…” were not sung every
day in the public schools, then let’s see does the Coast Guard have a
song?  Oh, yeah, “We fight on land or see, through howling gale and
shot and shell, to win our victory…”Semper Paratus” is our guide…,”
maybe that should say “shot to hell?” How about the Army that “keeps
rolling along?”  How neat, the school kids can sing patriotic songs or
sailor shanties all day long, and once in a while, maybe once in four
years, sing a song that ‘Merika has a President.  Happy days are here
again…Wall Street is recovering…hap hap hap happy happy days….I’ll
raise a glass of that good tequila! and thank gawd I won’t inherit a
bankrupt heaven….don’t want to go anywhere near it.  By the way,
where is it so I won’t bump into it?  Does anyone know anyone who
ever really got there?  I bet $10,000 not.  Is it near that Garden that
has Snakes?  Snakes?  I heard drunkards see snakes all the time. 
Way…ell, er… I like Corona better.  Can you really get drunk on
Corona?

And by the way, christian96, how many times do I have to tell
you ahs iz a woeman?  I realize you are handicapped, mentally
challenged by all that religious mumbojumbo crowding your mind, but
maybe in a moment of mental clarity, if you wrote it on your
etchasketch, you might remember it.  Oh….I’m sorry.  Your etchasketch
is broken.

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By christian96, September 27, 2009 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

I Corinthians 6:10:  “DRUNKARDS SHALL NOT INHERIT
THE KINGDOM OF GOD!”

            WORDS FROM THE BOOK OF TRUTH

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By Leefeller, September 27, 2009 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

ITW, “Chinaco or at least Patron”, what? You think I am a money bags Republican or something? Anyway, when one drinks Tequila the cowboy way, the cheap stuff is fine.

Instead of President songs, how about teaching kids old sailor ditties?

FYI: for those not inclined or unlighted enough, most people now accept the idea that the earth goes around the sun.

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By elisalouisa, September 27, 2009 at 6:10 am Link to this comment

Contrary to what you post Shenonymous and this is my last post directed at you on this thread I was taught respect for the flag and my country and that is precisely why I post and follow the columnists and artists on Truthdig. What is taking place right now within our government is not for the betterment of the American people. The power elite stands to gain. We agree on one thing, as you said, there comes a time in every human mind when they must make a decision and the correct decision can only be made if care has been taken to see that no filters are placed in childhood especially concerning government and religion. Hopefully, you will give this some thought. I respect your views and hope that you give me the same latitude.

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By Shenonymous, September 27, 2009 at 5:58 am Link to this comment

AFriend, I sincerely hope you find a way to express yourself
intelligently, period.  If you find yourself insulted, then I’ve done my duty
perfectly!  Keep peeling those onions AFriend... slowly.  I have no
substance and I will be the best there is who has no substance!  Least I
admit it! 

I wave my flag to what ITW says.  But he knows I’m a fan so it might not
count.

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By andrushka, September 27, 2009 at 5:47 am Link to this comment

@ Gaylordcat
Thank you for your post, the only sensible one in the whole lot!

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By Inherit The Wind, September 27, 2009 at 5:18 am Link to this comment

These attacks on children in school is clearly 100% racist.

For the first time, we don’t have a White man in the White House.  For all the non-White children in America, it FINALLY ends the lie that ANY boy can grow up to be President (of course, the girls are still left out in the cold on that). That Black, Brown and Yellow children can NOW actually aspire to the White House means they can aspire to ANYTHING.

And that terrifies the inadequate, insecure racists, the ones that decry the “browning” of America.  Here’s a hint:
If you actually GIVE A SHIT about whether American skin color goes brown then you are 100% racist.
No exception.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 27, 2009 at 5:10 am Link to this comment

Leefeller:
Clearly you need to stop drinkin’ that cheap tequila and start buyin’ the good stuff. Maybe Chinaco or at least Patron.

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By AFriend, September 27, 2009 at 5:05 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

When one relies so heavily on personal insults others will quickly determine you hold no substance.

I sincerely hope you find a more adult way of expressing yourself.

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By Shenonymous, September 27, 2009 at 4:22 am Link to this comment

elisalouisa, perhaps you are not here to wave a flag, there are
many subversives on Truthdip who hate the ‘Merkin flag (leads me to
suspect their real game).  I happen to love my country and think it is
the best in the world, warts and all.  If something is wrong with it,
there are legal actions that can be taken if proof of that wrong is
shown.  Exactly why are you in ‘Merika?  I like seeing a little flag
waving now and then.  I like the stars and bars and red white and blue. 
So you and I have our relative likes and dislikes and the right to
express them, which none of the countries you most likely glorify will. 

Besides free thinking, children need occasionally to be taught respect
and to value their country, obviously you were not taught that, which
leads me to believe you are in this country under some pretense.  To
not teach children respect for this form of government shows you
might be a repressive communist?  A degenerate anarchist, or a
national socialist (Nazi), or a radical conservative evangelical Rightist
who would rather songs of Jesus be sung in schools, or even worse, a
Fanatical Progressive Leftist (the FPLs)! hahahaha It is all right, because
you have a protected right to speak your beliefs here as long as you
don’t publicly advocate the overthrow of the government (you can do
it in secret though)
.

Children are taught hate by their parents which is much more
damaging to their minds than any occasional song they might sing in
honor of the leader of their country.  The song of respect does not
elevate the position to a deity.  I think you might go and reflect on your
reasons for being a ‘Merkin.

By the way, some states, like Texas, Alaska, and Tennessee require
students to a Sovereignty pledge allegiance to the state (unless their
parents are conscientious objectors then the students have to suffer the
consequences of ostracism by their fellow students), and also have a
pledge to their school, they even have a song they sing at rallies.  While
I wouldn’t advocate such chauvanism, I don’t think for a second it
corrupts thinking.  There comes a time in every human’s mind when
they must make decisions for themselves.

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By Shenonymous, September 27, 2009 at 3:37 am Link to this comment

So christian96 you have revealed yourself!  You are the
escapee from the nearby nut house and Leefeller helped bring on
that revelation!  I don’t bow to anyone or anything, but I will give a nod
of appreciation to Leefeller, the most perceptive of us all!  I
thought there was something strange about your comments on all of
the forums.  What is really curious is how the unhinged, like you, find
their way to Truthdip. 

Louise looks like you are the only one who noticed.  I would
never know because I find Fox pseudo-nues so whacko and
malfunctioned I’ve removed it from my list of tv channels.  I don’t even
want to surf through it on my way to other channels.  Beck is mentally
crippled, like Limbaugh.  They are the demented evil twins.  The only
thing I disagree with you about is your using the inclusive “we” and
“us.”  If you would replace those words with “some,” everything you say
is intelligent, thoughtful, and wise.  But I’ve said that before. 

Thank you AFriend.  Your ability to slog through difficult
materials shows the level of attention you have.  It stops at rants like
christian96 makes. I am definitely not blessed nor do I wish to be.  But
thank you for your wishes of good luck.  I wish you good luck too.

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By elisalouisa, September 27, 2009 at 3:35 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous: If you will read (and also reflect on the words and cartoon) my
post carefully I said that “America no longer has the respect of other
countries,” not ” Merika has no respect of other countries.” Different meaning
entirely.
This forum is correct in having written discussion as to whether a song should
be sung by school children about a President. It is evident that you are one
of the commenters spending an excessive about of time on this subject
although I would not go so far as you did and place the cause on unsoundness
of mind. Children should be raised with as little bias as possible. You said that
it has been said that there are those on TD whose only purpose is to tear down
the dignity of the United States. Would that include Mr. Fish’s works of art in
cartoon form? We are not here to wave the flag. The title is Truthdig and our
very able writers both columnists and posters do just that. Posters have
mentioned that filters need to be removed before one can see the truth as it
really is. Many of those filters are placed in childhood by parents, schools and
other influential mediums. One school song may lead to another and another
and words may be replaced to suit the intentions of those who wish to
indoctrinate. Speaking for myself I do not want any school songs sung by any
school children in any school about the President of the United States.

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By AFriend, September 27, 2009 at 3:24 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

I was roughly two paragraphs into your reply when I became sorry I engaged you at all. I saw no need to read any further.

Blessed is the man who having nothing to say abstains from giving wordy evidence of the fact.

Good luck to you in all things.

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