christian96, September 16 at 8:14 am #

Do you actually read the posts of other folks here?

American people HAVE NEVER had power over the
politicians.  Of course, that is true for countries
other than America.  I speak about America because
I was born and raised here.  Most extant Americans
spend their time talking about a sporting event,
movie, or some other meaningless event that has
nothing to do with politicans.  And that’s the way
the politicans want it! It’s called “control through
diversion.”  Use a little retrospection.  How do
you spend your days?  Thinking about your face,
body, or someone else’s face and body?  Thinking
about a ballgame, movie or someother distraction
from what is really happening on earth.  You better
wake up and look around you!  You are being manipulated without even being aware of it!

The central problem is not medical care; the central problem is power.  The American people have been dispowered by the Bush-Obama regimes so they have no power over the US power strucute.  It affects all policy relations and is most evident at the present time in medical care.  The economic and political institutions of America are obsolete.  They are oriented toward death in both foreign and domestic policy.  If we are in favor of life, we must transform the American power system.

The honest politician is an urban myth. Both major parties have sold you to
the corporations. All three branches of government are wholly owned
subsidiaries of the powers that be. The government ponzi scheme (Madoff was
a piker) was the economy itself. Wilson, of course, made it all possible with fiat
money. Wall street got the gold, you got the debt. They all screwed us at one
time or another or they would not be where they are. Obama is just Bush lite.

“I have never let my schooling interfere with my education” Mark Twain

ridinginfaith, September 12 at 3:55 pm

The Office of the President of the United States deserves respect based on the
holder of that office having earned respect, as respect is earned.  It is difficult
to have respect for a dufus that is in political power, you look around for who
it is that is actually running the country, and that was Cheney, Rove and
others.

You have to admit President Bush acted like a dufus, a “confidence without
merit” photo shoot dufus, who dressed up in a pilot’s outfit, but didn’t fly the
plane, just dressed up for a “Mission Accomplished” picture with a plastic
turkey; or with a big cowboy hat or whatever, like he was playing, and being
led; instead of being a leader.  If one wants respect, one’s actions are what
brings respect. What President Bush said completely let the cat out of the bag. 

ridinginfaith, September 12 at 3:55 pm

The Office of the President of the United States deserves respect based on the holder of that office having earned respect, as respect is earned.  It is difficult to have respect for a dufus that is in political power, you look around for who it is that is actually running the country, and that was Cheney, Rove and others.

You have to admit President Bush acted like a dufus, a “confidence without merit” photo shoot dufus, who dressed up in a pilot’s outfit, but didn’t fly the plane, just dressed up for a “Mission Accomplished” picture with a plastic turkey; or with a big cowboy hat or whatever, like he was playing, and being led; instead of being a leader.  If one wants respect, one’s actions are what brings respect. What President Bush said completely let the cat out of the bag.  Check these out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEbZqvMu2cQ

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3088605151190792370#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhbPVrb5KM

Now tell me—what did he sound like?

You shouldn’t compare President Obama to President Bush, because there is no comparison.

Waiver,

Claim to be a Christian but don’t what “Inherit the Wind” is all about.  Try reading your Bible once in while and look at something besides “an eye for an eye”.  Then you might at least get one of the two meanings.

If you’re going to believe in fairy tales (like Obama’s a Muslim AND not native-born) then at least get the one that’s been around a few thousand years right.

POLITICO Breaking News: The House of Representatives has approved a “Resolution of Disapproval” against Rep. Joe Wilson for his “you lie” outburst last week. The vote was 240-179. For more information… http://www.politico.com

POLITICO Breaking News: The House of Representatives has approved a resolution of disapproval against Rep. Joe Wilson for his “you lie” outburst last week. The vote was 240-179. For more information… http://www.politico.com

A letter from Rep Kucinich that I thought some might like to read. Also, if you havent signed the petition, please do! Thanks.

“It is said one should not ask how sausage or laws are made. Are you concerned about a public option? Let me share with you some insight about health care legislation which may not be good for your health.

A lesson in politics. The Kucinich Prediction: Here’s what’s going to happen ...

House will make a big deal about keeping/putting a public option in HR3200 because it competes with insurance companies and will keep insurance rates low.
The White House will refer to the President’s speech last week where he spoke favorably of the public option.
The Senate will kill the competitive public option in favor of non-competitive “co-ops”. Senate leaders like Kent Conrad have said the votes to pass a public option were never there in the Senate.
The bill will come to a House-Senate Conference Committee without the public option.
House Democrats will be told to support the conference report on the legislation to support the President.
The bill will pass, not with a “public option” but with a private mandate requiring 30 million uninsured to buy private health insurance (if one doesn’t already have it). If you are broke, you may get a subsidy. If you are not broke, you will get a fine if you do not purchase insurance.
This legislative sausage will be celebrated as a new breakthrough and will be packaged as health insurance reform. However, the bill may require a Surgeon General’s warning label: Your Money or Your Life!

The bill that Congress passes may pale in comparison to the bill that millions of Americans will get every month/year for having or not having private health insurance.

It will take four years for the new legislation to go into effect. During that time we are going to build a constituency of millions in support of real health care, a constituency which will be recognized and a cause which is right and just: Health Care as a Civil Right.”

Prepare for the Primary Elections that are fast approaching—July 27, 2010 in OKLAHOMA—only 10 months.

We the people of the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION must not forget that the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION has not been being represented, therefore we must vote the corrupted representatives OUT in the Primaries if we can, we must DO IT; we must remember these representatives do not represent the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION; have no mercy on them based on what they are going to be saying in the next 10 months, because they DO NOT represent the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION and the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION must have representatives that will actually represent the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION, instead of DLC representation of only the few at the top. In the GENERAL ELECTION, if we have to vote Green, Independent or any other party that will sit on the LIBERAL SIDE with the Democratic Party, DO IT; DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN or for another party that will sit on the CONSERVATIVE SIDE with the REPUBLICAN PARTY, we must get rid of the DLCers every way we can, but getting a REPUBLICAN would not be beneficial as REPUBLICANS are worse.  We must get away from the Conservative Republicans on the Left, no matter how much the HOSTILE Republicans rage, we must not lose our minds and think Republicans will be better than Democrats, because they will not.  We need to keep focused and REMOVE and REPLACE the DLC Conservative/Moderate Republicans that have infested the Democratic Party with a Liberal Democrat, a Liberal Green, or any Liberal, but NO CONSERVATIVES.  No Conservatives should be on the Liberal Side for there to be balance between the Liberals and Conservatives.  The Conservative/Moderate DLCers have thrown the political spectrum out of balance and have to be removed from the Liberal Side, the Democratic Party, to regain political balance.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/elections/tp/2010_congressional_election.htm
Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer must be replaced

Democratic Party Senators up for re-election in 2010:

Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas-D)

Barbara Boxer (California-D)

Ken Salazar (Colorado-D)

Christopher Dodd (Connecticut-D)

Daniel Inouye (Hawaii-D)

Roland Burris (Illinois-D)

Evan Bayh (Indiana-D)

Barbara Mikulski (Maryland-D)

Harry Reid (Nevada-D)

Chuck Schumer (New York-D)

Byron Dorgan (North Dakota-NPL-D)

Ron Wyden (Oregon-D)

Arlen Specter (Pennsylvania-D)

Patrick Leahy (Vermont-D)

Russ Feingold (Wisconsin-D)

With the exception of Senator Ted Kennedy, all Senators joined the DLC, and with the exception of Rep. Dennis Kucinich, all the House joined the DLC, which is against representation of the 70% MAJORITY Common Population and all must be removed from the Democratic Party, as the DLC, New Democrats, Blue Dogs are all Right-Wing Conservatives in the Democratic Party are war mongerers, who in no way represent the whole political Left. RightWeb is a good source of learning about the DLC, but all the following links give insight:

DLC:  http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Democratic_Leadership_Council

DLC:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stan-goff/unmasking-the-dlc_b_39287.html

Al From Right-Wing lobbyist originator of DLC: 
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Democratic_Leadership_Council

PPI:  http://rightweb.irc-online.org/org/ppi.php

http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Marshall_Will

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/marshall/marshall.ph...

Why? Did he earn that respect by selling us into slavery to the bankers? Did he
earn that respect when he bailed out GM and Chrysler? Maybe you believe he
gets no respect because he is black but I am willing to bet that if Neil
DeGrasse Tyson (a black astrophysicist) were president he would have the
respect because he has earned respect. I am quite certain that your in your
delusional little world that you believe that you and your imaginary creature
have the right to throw people in the stockade for the crime of intellect but,
once again, you are wrong. So you are a general now?

By christian96, September 15 at 10:46 am #

The President of the United State deserves some
respect!  SO SHOW SOME you prejudiced idiots before
I throw you in the stockade and throw away the key. 

General Christian96

Re: christian96, September 15 at 10:46 am #

Show us some mercy and spare us your drivel and rantings specially your religious mumbo jumbo.
And hey, don’t be such a stiff. Lighten up man!!

Leefeller wrote:
“How real is all this drama, can both parties use it as planned divisions and really use it as obfuscation towards lobbyists paid in full requests?”
____________________________________________________

You are absolutely right and it is all theatrics and make believe bullshitting and posturing.
We have one party in this country and that is the big business/money party who wear two different masks depending on the circumstances.
One mask is the Democratic party and the other mask is the Republican party.

The President of the United State deserves some
respect!  SO SHOW SOME you prejudiced idiots before
I throw you in the stockade and throw away the key. 

General Christian96

obfuscation seems to be what drivels from the both sides of the political rainbow, stoked and fed by the programed media. From town hall meetings to presidential speeches, injecting noise and flack is most helpful, for real issues must not go forth.

Planned divisive manipulations are the only thing constant in the circus of politics. 

How real is all this drama, can both parties use it as planned divisions and really use it as obfuscation towards lobbyists paid in full requests?

ocjim,

The Republicans will take anyone who will say and do what the GOP wants them to say and do, and Joe Wilson did as he was told by the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS of which he is a part.

Thanks Gawd someone distracted the MSM (and DLC) from noticing how shitty the bills are that are coming out of both parties for death insurance industry bribes in 2010! Lets just talk about Wilson and act self righteous and indignant about not covering brown people’s health care needs when they are sick or injured—we’re SOOO compassionate!!

When I first listened to it, I actually thought that some “progressive” (LOL!! where??!) had shouted “WHY?!”, you know, as in WHY not provide people who are working and living here with lifesaving treatment because we are compassionate human beings with the greatest number of elite-ass rich people ever assembled in the history of the world…—I cant believe I actually suspected it!

Maybe some of these “representatives’ should get hurt vacationing in the EU and be turned away for help…

I am tired of hearing sack of shit Dems trying to defend the biggest giveaway to the private death insurance industry in world history. Medical industrial complex. As deadly as the military one.

Dems are the major supporter of both now.

With the Rove-Bush Whitehouse, intelligence, truth and integrity was treated like a joke by Bush who celebrated his ignorance, repeated lies over and over, and drug the White House through his pit of corruption. Don’t tell me that the office of the presidency hasn’t been severely diminished by the miscreant we call W.

Past presidents/VPs worthy of being tried as criminals (notably W and Cheney, Reagan, LBJ and Nixon) were forgiven or pardoned and W furthermore, denigrates the office—all are bound to lower the esteem of the office and invite derision by the mediocre likes of Joe Wilson.

POLITICO Breaking News:
House Democratic leaders will move ahead with a “resolution of disapproval” against Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) on Tuesday afternoon, following through on their threat to sanction the conservative lawmaker for heckling President Obama last week.
For more information…  http://www.politico.com

Folktruther, September 14 at 1:12 pm #

Martha, I am in favor of criminalizing anyone who disagrees with me.
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ESPECIALLY for those of us from New Joisey!

Truedigger3,

Judges and juries follow the law, don’t they?

Why should it? Racism exists as a throwback to our primitive tribal times, the
more primitive the brain the greater the effect of the chemical melanin on it.

By AFriend, September 14 at 9:45 pm #

I am genuinely taken aback by the importance of the president’s, and his many
critics, skin color on this site.

From the casual observer it appears racism runs rampant here.

I am genuinely taken aback by the importance of the president’s, and his many critics, skin color on this site.

From the casual observer it appears racism runs rampant here.

MarthaA,

We are talking here about following the constitution and the laws and not succumbing to personal whims and emotions.!!!!!

truedigger3,

Judges and Juries.

MarthaA wrote:
“but outright lies passed as truth is what I want criminalized”
__________________________________________________

But for starter who will decide what specific writing or specch is an “outright lie” and who will decide the punishment.
OK. I decided that you are a witch and that you should be burned while tied to a stake.
You see what will happen if it was left to the individual or group of people to decide??!!

Folktruther,

There is a big difference with legitimate disagreement over truths, but outright lies passed as truth is what I want criminalized

Martha, I am in favor of criminalizing anyone who disagrees with me.  But I am willing to compromise.  If you let me say what I want, I’ll let you say what you want.  EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, althought I don’t really see how anyone could.  But you know how people are.

truedigger3,

truedigger3 said:  “you DLC partisan hack.”

MarthaA’s answer:  WOW.  You must not read my posts, or have no political knowledge whatsoever or you would not call me a “DLC partisan hack”. What do you think caused the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION?  How dopey can you get?  Have you just now learned what the DLC is, or what?

Waver, it must seem so comforting to know when one has everything figured out.  A most gratifying feeling to know with self proclaimed absolutism’s and righteous indignity everyone else knows nothing about life as Waver. Religious profoundness in hand, accepting war with open arms seems to be such a pleasure.

Russian paul wrote:
“The Republicans can play the villians and talk about death panels and heckle the president, while the Democrats can react with indignation, while both sides obfuscate the real issues so they can table genuine reform. They are both working together towards this end.”
___________________________________________________

I agree with you 100%.
It is all theatrics and make-believe bullshitting from both parties but the final “reform” was agreed upon from the very beginning and it is exactly as what the health care industry wanted and asked for.

MarthaA wrote:
“I’m in favor of criminalizing all subjective political bull, how about YOU? If so,
would you be a criminal?”

We have in this country freedom of speech and the first amendment, you DLC partisan hack.
Yes, most members of congress both Democrats and Republicans plus your beloved Obama and his luetinants are deceivers and liars and bullshit artists.

Oh I agree, Anarcissie, I think the Obama administration had this planned
from the beginning. It’s all the more insidious because Obama’s soaring rhetoric
and charming personality seems to have hypnotized otherwise intelligent
progressives into actually believing he is trying. But it is an act. The Republicans
can play the villians and talk about death panels and heckle the president, while
the Democrats can react with indignation, while both sides obfuscate the real
issues so they can table genuine reform. They are both working together towards
this end.

Scafarms—-The God of the Old Testament is the
God of the New Testament.  You obviously haven’t
read much of the Bible or you would have known that.

      “I don’t let the Spirit of Antichrist
      interfere with my Christianity!”
           
                  CHRISTIAN96

If I had a dog as stupid as you I would shoot it out of pity. Deuteronomy is in
the old testament, the Jewish bible. I am not anti Christ, him and both of his
modern day followers are welcome in my house anytime. It is only the old
testament, bible thumping, dull witted purveyors of mindless bullshit that say
pray when the mean prey that I am against, and you are their king.

By christian96, September 14 at 2:31 am #

Stcfarms—-Since you are an atheist you are probably
both ignorant and a deceiver. As for scripture you might start with
Deuteronomy 5:7, “You shall have
no other Gods but me.”  Deut. 6:4 “The Lord God is
ONE God.”  For a little dessert you can throw in
Deuteronomy Chater 8 where God reminds Israel against
forgetting God when they become fat and prosperous.
Sort of sounds like America today doesn’t it?

“I don’t let the Spirit of Antichrist interfer with
my schooling or education.”
                    CHRISTIAN96

the waiver, September 13 at 10:46 pm

President Obama Cares For All Americans:

(Page 1 of 4)

the waiver said:  “Since I am a newcomer on this website, I was shocked!”

MarthaA’s answer:  Shocked about what?  You must specify.

the waiver said: “Today, we (the people) have the privilege to speak whatever is on our mind—say whatever we want to say—without fear of retaliation!

MarthaA’s answer:  Aren’t you thankful that President Obama is a democratic president?  President Bush did have quite a few people tossed in jail, but I do not think President Obama has had anyone tossed in jail for being disrespectful in his presence.

the waiver said:  “Well—show me the clip where Obama has stated he loved and was proud of the American White People!”

MarthaA’s answer:  President Obama isn’t going to single out American WHITE People, if he did, YOU would whine because he singled you out. There are some things you have to have common sense enough to know.  You apparently are a WHITE Person that is living in FEAR because you are relying on what some Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republican  said, instead of what Jesus said, who you purport to follow, but it is apparent that you are not, or you would not have so much FEAR, which is the opposite of FAITH, and without FAITH, it is impossible to please God.

You are apparently having some of the problems that President Obama’s WHITE grandmother experienced, but with God’s help, you can adjust.  President Obama’s WHITE mother taught him at home when he was young and you are fooling yourself if you think President Obama would have gotten as far in the world as he did if he hated his WHITE mother and his WHITE grandmother.  I neither see nor feel any hate against WHITE People in President Obama whatsoever.

President Obama is a Christian who considers people for the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin.  President Obama loved his WHITE mother and his WHITE grandmother, who raised him, because he always talks about them.  President Obama chose a WHITE Vice President, Joe Biden, and a WHITE Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, which if he hated WHITE People, he would never have taken that chance, and President Obama loved WHITE Senator Kennedy or he would never have delivered his letter to the WHITE Pope in Rome or be so caring about Senator Kennedy’s WHITE family that are left.  You should be ashamed of yourself for purporting such unfounded criticism of President Obama. 

President Bush thought the presidency was “hard work” because he had to do as he was told, but President Obama is trying to bring about change, and change takes time, it’s a process that is being accomplished and the United States will be better for President Obama being our president.

Stcfarms—-Since you are an atheist you are probably
both ignorant and a deceiver. As for scripture you might start with Deuteronomy 5:7, “You shall have
no other Gods but me.”  Deut. 6:4 “The Lord God is
ONE God.”  For a little dessert you can throw in
Deuteronomy Chater 8 where God reminds Israel against
forgetting God when they become fat and prosperous.
Sort of sounds like America today doesn’t it?

“I don’t let the Spirit of Antichrist interfer with
my schooling or education.”
                    CHRISTIAN96

the waiver, September 13 at 10:46 pm

President Obama Cares For All Americans:

(Page 2 of 4)

Here are some of President Obama’s words concerning his WHITE mother and WHITE grandparents that raised him and you know he loved, because he talks about them:

“We weren’t poor, but we weren’t rich. My [WHITE] mother had to work really hard, so sometimes my [WHITE] grandparents had to fill in. And my wife, Michelle, who all of you have seen—the First Lady—her dad worked in a—as a—basically in a blue-collar job, an hourly worker. Her mom worked as a secretary. And they lived in a tiny—they didn’t even live in a house, they lived upstairs above her aunt’s house. And so neither of us really had a whole lot when we were growing up, but the one thing that we had was parents who insisted on getting a good education.”

And I want you all to know that despite the good home training I was getting, that when I was in 9th and 10th grade, I was still kind of a goof-off and I didn’t study as hard as I could have. I was a lot more concerned about basketball. I made some mistakes when I was in high school, wasn’t as focused as I should have been. But the fact that my parents—that my [WHITE] mother and my [WHITE] grandparents had emphasized education allowed me to make up for some of those mistakes and still get into a good college. And when I got to college, I was then able to really bear down and focus on education.”
“I had to be more supportive of my [WHITE] mother because I knew

the waiver, September 13 at 10:46 pm

President Obama Cares For All Americans:

(Page 3 of 4)

how hard she was working.” http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-in-Discussion-with-9th-Graders-Wakefield-High-School/

Here are wonderful words at a memorial service for WHITE Journalist Walter Cronkite:  http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Memorial-Service-in-Honor-of-Walter-Cronkite/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/civil_rights/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/ethics/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/additional/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/family/

the waiver said:  “Obama said:take the money that’s already being spent that’s not making people healthier, and give insurance to those who don’t have it!”

MarthaA’s answer: President Obama, “Oh, and by the way, just in case you were wondering, we’re also going to build an America where health reform delivers more stability and security to every American.  (Applause.)  We are going to reform the system for those who have insurance and those who don’t.  Now, I’ll have a lot more to say about this on Wednesday night.  I might have to save my voice a little bit—not get too excited.  I don’t want to give anything away.  I want you all to tune in.”

“But let me just say a few things about this health care issue.  We’ve been fighting for quality, affordable health care for every American for nearly a century—since Teddy Roosevelt.  Think about that—long time.  (Laughter.)  The Congress and the country have now been vigorously debating the issue for many months.  The debate has been good, and that’s important because we’ve got to get this right.  But every debate at some point comes to an end.  At some point, it’s time to decide.  At some point, it’s time to act.  Ohio, it’s time to act and get this thing done.”  (Applause.)

“We have never been this close.  We’ve never had such broad agreement on what needs to be done.  And because we’re so close to real reform, suddenly the special interests are doing what they always do, which is just try to scare the heck out of people.”

“But I’ve got—I’ve got a question for all these folks who say, you know, we’re going to pull the plug on Grandma and this is all about illegal immigrants—you’ve heard all the lies.  I’ve got a question for all those folks:  What are you going to do?  (Applause.)  What’s your answer?  (Applause.)  What’s your solution?  (Applause.)  And you know what?  They don’t have one.  (Applause.)  Their answer is to do nothing.  Their answer is to do nothing.  And we know what that future looks like:  insurance companies raking in the profits while discriminating against people because of preexisting conditions; denying or dropping coverage when you get sick.  It means you’re never negotiating about higher wages, because all you’re spending your time doing is just trying to protect the benefits that you already fought for.”

“It means premiums continuing to skyrocket three times faster than your wages.  It means more families pushed into bankruptcy, more businesses cutting more jobs, more Americans losing health insurance—14,000 every day.  It means more Americans dying every day just because they don’t have health insurance.”

“That’s not the future I see for America.  I see reform where we bring stability and security to folks who have insurance today—where you never again have to worry about going without coverage if you lose your job or you change your job or you get sick.  You’ve got coverage there for you.  Where there is a cap on your out-of-pocket expenses, so you don’t have to worry that a serious illness will break you and your family even if you have health insurance.  (Applause.)  Where you never again have to worry—where you never again have to worry that you or someone you love will be denied coverage because of a preexisting condition.”  (Applause.)

the waiver, September 13 at 10:46 pm

President Obama NOT Cares For All Americans:

(Page 4 of 4)

“I see reform where we protect our senior citizens by closing the gaps in their prescription drug coverage under Medicare that costs older Americans thousands of dollars every years out of their pockets; reforms that will preserve Medicare and put it on a sounder financial footing and cut waste and fraud—the more than $100 billion in unwarranted public subsidies to already profitable insurance companies.”

“I want a health insurance system that works as well for the American people as it does for the insurance industry.  (Applause.)  They should be free to make a profit.  But they also have to be fair.  They also have to be accountable.”

“That’s what we’re talking about—security and stability for folks who have health insurance, help for those they don’t—the coverage they need at a price they can afford, finally bringing costs under control.  That’s the reform that’s needed.  That’s the reform we’re fighting for.  And that’s why it’s time to do what’s right for America’s working families and put aside partisanship, stop saying things that aren’t true, come together as a nation, pass health insurance reform now—this year.”  (Applause.)

“Few have fought harder or longer for health care in America’s workers than you—our brothers and sisters of organized labor.  And just as we know that we have to adapt to all the changes and challenges of a global economy, we also know this:  In good economic times and in bad, labor is not the problem.  Labor is part of the solution.” (Applause.)

“That’s why Secretary Solis made it her priority at the Labor Department to protect workers—your safety, your benefits, your right to organize, your right to bargain collectively.  (Applause.)  That’s why some of the first executive orders I issued overturned the previous administration’s attempts to stifle organized labor.  That’s why I support EFCA—to level the playing field so it’s easier for employees who want a union to form a union.  (Applause.)  Nothing—nothing wrong with that.  Because when labor is strong, America is strong.  When we all stand together, we all rise together.”  (Applause.)

“That’s why the first piece of legislation I signed into law was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act—(applause)—guaranteeing equal pay for equal work.  (Applause.)  Lilly worked at a factory in Alabama.  She did her job and she did it well.  And then, after nearly two decades, she discovered that for years she was paid less than her male colleagues for doing the very same work.  Over the years, she had lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in wages and in pension and Social Security benefits.”

“Lilly could have just moved on.  Instead, this Alabama grandmother made a decision.  She said a principle was at stake.  She stood up and she spoke out for what was right—all the way to the Supreme Court, and then Congress, and finally the White House, where she stood next to me as I signed the law that bore her name.”  (Applause.)

“Ohio, that’s the lesson this day—that some things are worth fighting for.  (Applause.)  Equal pay.  Fair wages.  Dignity in the workplace.  Justice on the job.  An economy that works for everybody, because in America there are no second-class citizens.  An economy where you can make a living and care for your families.  Where you’re leaving your kids something better.  Where we live up to our fundamental ideals.  Those words put on paper some 200 years ago—that we’re all created equal, that we all deserve a chance to pursue our happiness—that’s the calling to which we are summoned this Labor Day.  That’s the cause of my presidency.  And that is the commitment we must fulfill to preserve the American Dream for all of America’s working families.”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-AFL-CIO-Labor-Day-Picnic/

the waiver, September 13 at 10:46 pm

President Obama Cares For All Americans:

(Page 4 of 4)

“I see reform where we protect our senior citizens by closing the gaps in their prescription drug coverage under Medicare that costs older Americans thousands of dollars every years out of their pockets; reforms that will preserve Medicare and put it on a sounder financial footing and cut waste and fraud—the more than $100 billion in unwarranted public subsidies to already profitable insurance companies.”

“I want a health insurance system that works as well for the American people as it does for the insurance industry.  (Applause.)  They should be free to make a profit.  But they also have to be fair.  They also have to be accountable.”

“That’s what we’re talking about—security and stability for folks who have health insurance, help for those they don’t—the coverage they need at a price they can afford, finally bringing costs under control.  That’s the reform that’s needed.  That’s the reform we’re fighting for.  And that’s why it’s time to do what’s right for America’s working families and put aside partisanship, stop saying things that aren’t true, come together as a nation, pass health insurance reform now—this year.”  (Applause.)

“Few have fought harder or longer for health care in America’s workers than you—our brothers and sisters of organized labor.  And just as we know that we have to adapt to all the changes and challenges of a global economy, we also know this:  In good economic times and in bad, labor is not the problem.  Labor is part of the solution.” (Applause.)

“That’s why Secretary Solis made it her priority at the Labor Department to protect workers—your safety, your benefits, your right to organize, your right to bargain collectively.  (Applause.)  That’s why some of the first executive orders I issued overturned the previous administration’s attempts to stifle organized labor.  That’s why I support EFCA—to level the playing field so it’s easier for employees who want a union to form a union.  (Applause.)  Nothing—nothing wrong with that.  Because when labor is strong, America is strong.  When we all stand together, we all rise together.”  (Applause.)

“That’s why the first piece of legislation I signed into law was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act—(applause)—guaranteeing equal pay for equal work.  (Applause.)  Lilly worked at a factory in Alabama.  She did her job and she did it well.  And then, after nearly two decades, she discovered that for years she was paid less than her male colleagues for doing the very same work.  Over the years, she had lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in wages and in pension and Social Security benefits.”

“Lilly could have just moved on.  Instead, this Alabama grandmother made a decision.  She said a principle was at stake.  She stood up and she spoke out for what was right—all the way to the Supreme Court, and then Congress, and finally the White House, where she stood next to me as I signed the law that bore her name.”  (Applause.)

“Ohio, that’s the lesson this day—that some things are worth fighting for.  (Applause.)  Equal pay.  Fair wages.  Dignity in the workplace.  Justice on the job.  An economy that works for everybody, because in America there are no second-class citizens.  An economy where you can make a living and care for your families.  Where you’re leaving your kids something better.  Where we live up to our fundamental ideals.  Those words put on paper some 200 years ago—that we’re all created equal, that we all deserve a chance to pursue our happiness—that’s the calling to which we are summoned this Labor Day.  That’s the cause of my presidency.  And that is the commitment we must fulfill to preserve the American Dream for all of America’s working families.”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-AFL-CIO-Labor-Day-Picnic/

We have a good plan, the VA system. It works, it is cost effective and it is
based on need rather than profit. If we can keep Congress from changing the
system in any way (other than allowing civilians to use it) it would work. If it is
good enough for veterans it is certainly good enough for the folks that sent us
to war.

“I have never let my schooling interfere with my education” Mark Twain

By svana1, September 14 at 12:21 am #

So, let’s get past this issue and figure out the specifics of each proposal (if the
Republicans have one they were waving around, what does their plan entail?
What makes it invalid? Can it be melded into Obama’s plan, so that some
common ground is achieved?) Instead of continuing to pick up and look at
stones thrown and lambasting the people casting them, let’s look at the issues
—that’s where the real story is.

Repeatedly reporting on this subject distracts from the real issue: healthcare reform and its complicated specifics, which was the whole purpose of Obama’s joint session. Moreover, focusing on this negative facet of the story accentuates(and doubtlessly exacerbates) partisan rifts, which are an impediment to forward motion on more important issues.

The outburst discussed ad nauseum seems more a sign of the times than an issue of race: No authority figure receives the adulation or respect they once enjoyed. Certainly our media outlets, specifically, reality televsion do not encourage respect or civility (a point eloquently made by Chris Hedges in Empire of Illusion). And, having been fed a daily diet of these examples, a great segment of the population emulates the same ignominious behvavior that constitutes “good television.” Misbehavior and angry outbursts are not only accepted in our culture, they’re lionized in the media fare networks offer to the general population. Many Americans eat it up, and knowing nothing else, spit it back.

So, let’s get past this issue and figure out the specifics of each proposal (if the Republicans have one they were waving around, what does their plan entail? What makes it invalid? Can it be melded into Obama’s plan, so that some common ground is achieved?) Instead of continuing to pick up and look at stones thrown and lambasting the people casting them, let’s look at the issues—that’s where the real story is.

Although I am an atheist I have read the words of christ, show me where he
says anything about not accepting other religions.

“I have never let my schooling interfere with my education” Mark Twain

By christian96, September 13 at 11:05 pm #

The Waiver—-You call yourself a Christian and
in the next paragraph accept other religions.
You are ignorant or a deciever.

The Waiver—-You call yourself a Christian and
in the next paragraph accept other religions.
You are ignorant or a deciever.

Since I am a newcomer on this website, I was shocked!

Today, we (the people) have the privilege to speak whatever is on our mind—say whatever we want to say—without fear of retaliation! 

Martha A. you stated I didn’t know anything political—Obama loves this country—great admiration and love the people of the United States! You specifically stated Obama apologized for the last 8 years undiplomatic extremeists.

Well—show me the clip where Obama has stated he loved and was proud of the American White People!
I heard Obama say on TV—he was proud of the American people who have a Muslim Heritage! Didn’t elaborate any further!

Obama had an interview while he was in Russia.  He was asked:  “don’t you believe the West has accomplished more—and done more than the Eastern part of the world!  Obama responded: “THEY ARE EQUAL”.  The interviewer asked again—you mean you don’t feel the West has done more or have accomplished more—once again Obama said: “I believe we all have accomplished a lot—meaning:  no one specific country doing more to improve the world than the other”!

Ms. Martha—I also would like to address Obama felt the need to apologize for the past 8 years—Well,
Obama never once set a time frame in which he was apologizing for—without setting a time frame was an error on his part—

To—-You, Mr. Waiver, are a brain-washed fool who cannot face facts or reality.

To—-It has always amazed me how people can get “caught up” in emotions so deeply that they suspend all rationality.

To—-Ardee who said: The saddest thing about your post is that I am certain that you believe it.

To the ones who have responded (in a negative way) to my statements—I apologize!

To Inherit the Wind—I think this sums up Politics—the wind never knows what direction it will go next—

To—-rev. Jeremiah who said in regards to health care—— I think my biggest concern is the issue of nationalized healthcare. Insurance companies have had enough control over our health decisions.

Now does the government want a piece of the action?

I would like to answer your question—in watching 60 minutes Sunday 09-13 Obama was bein interviewed by Kroft- out President said:
You know, I intend to be president for a while and once bill passes, I own it.
Kroft asked Obama in what ways does he think can he cut the costs of health care—

Obama said:take the money that’s already being spent that’s not making people healthier, and give insurance to those who don’t have it!

You can read the transcript—60minutes.com

To Religion——I am a Christian—What constitutes a Christian?  Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ with all of your heart-  with all of your mind—with all of your might!  The Bible says:  “blessed are those who have not seen, yet still believe.”

Different religious beliefs are fine—-in the age of knowledge people can (according to the Bible) work their own salvation out.

So I will end this statement with this—————-
Today in Afghanistan our soldiers walked into an ambush—they running low on ammunition—they needed assistance—called or air power—RESPONSE TO THEIR URGENT PLEA—ONE HOUR!  4 Soldiers don’t have a say on this earth any longer. 

America—President wants to OWN HEALTHCARE—TROOPS OUT IN THE FIELD WITHOUT SUFFICIENT AMMUNITION—PLEADED FOR HELP—IT TOOK ONE HOUR—-

Government who wants to prosecute interraggators for how they handled detainees——documents were describing the acts of the interraggators and the President—Secretary Gates—wonder why August was such a deadly month in Iraq and Afghanistan?

The more our leaders (President) speaks about whether to prosecute the interraggators—IT ONLY REMINDS OUR ENEMY WHAT AMEICANS HAVE DONE TO THEIR DEAD—AND REVENGE TURNS INTO BLOOD OF OUR SOLDIERS IN THE WAR ZONE!  If this Administration had any wisdom, they would discuss and decide what to do with the investigation AFTER OUR TROOPS ARE HOME!

A stroke of genius! You have hit on the secret to destroy both evil parties in
Washington, democrats and republicans. Of course it would violate the first
amendment but when has anyone in Washington ever read the Constitution
anyway? Perhaps we should ban religion, take away everyones guns and
generally run roughshod over the bill of rights. Are we to assume that you
would be the queen of this new version of North Korea? Would it be a felony to
disagree with you? Give me a weeks notice before you pass your laws so I can
get outta Dodge…

y MarthaA, September 13 at 9:59 pm #

I’m in favor of criminalizing all subjective political bull, how about YOU? If so,
would you be a criminal?

truedigger3,

truedigger3 said:  “But Obama is one of the liars and deceivers”

Them’s subjective fightin’ words there, pilgrim, do you plan on backing them up with objective fact?  Or are you just pissing on a wall thinking none of the piss will get back on you?

I’m in favor of criminalizing all subjective political bull, how about YOU? If so, would you be a criminal?

Christian96 wrote about president Obama:
“He would go a long way in gaining the respect of people if he would expose the liers and deceivers”
_____________________________________________________

But Obama is one of the liars and deceivers and many in the congress too, both Democrats and Republicans.
That doesn’t mean I agree with Joe Wilson outburst which was deliberate and planned, besides he himself is one of the liars and deceivers.

Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina…Looks, acts, and seems like a jerk.  There is a good reason for it.

True Colors

By Bill Noxid

September 13, 2009 “Information Clearing House”— It becomes increasingly clear that the best thing that could have possibly happened to this country was the election of a President of color. Although this country has remained steeped in hypocrisy and denial since its inception, a Black Man as President has made that increasingly and painfully obvious. Every day there is a new example ( like keeping your children home from school to prevent them from seeing the current Black President speak, yet busing your children to a football stadium to watch a former White President speak ), and the racist elements at the core of this society are finding it impossible to maintain their previous anonymity. The list of prominent political figures inadvertently exposing themselves ( most recently Congresswoman Jean Schmidt ) as being incapable of accepting this man as President continues to grow, as the fallacy about this country’s evolution on issues of race becomes progressively evident. The treatment of and response to this President every time he opens his mouth paints a painful but accurate portrait of American Racism, and it is long past time to face it.

The “McCarthian” attacks on this president and his staff ( that merely mask their true motivations ) have risen to new heights over proposed health insurance reform and the President’s address to a joint session of Congress demonstrated that in spades. In a country that allowed eight years of the most horrendous lies to govern reality and dictate global policy, no amount of evidence was sufficient to demonstrate the fraud perpetrated on the American people and the world, yet no evidence whatsoever is necessary to fabricate anything at all about this President, or scream “You Lie!” on the House floor like an ignorant town hall teabagger. In forty years I’ve never seen anything like it, but since there has never been a president that daily rakes across the dirty little secret of this country, there’s no reason that I ever would have.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23487.htm

Russian Paul:
’... Single payer would be different, we would pay for it the same way we pay for public schools, fire dept, postal service, etc…without the middleman. Big
difference. The way things are going now, health care “reform” will end up BENEFITING the insurance companies.’

Actually, I think this was the point of the exercise.  Medical prices, being set by an effective monopoly, have risen much faster than ordinary people’s incomes.  As a result, those who cannot work a passable insurance deal are simply dropping out of the system—they can’t, or won’t pay.  This means the medical insurance and care system can’t get any more money—many people are choosing to remain sick or die rather than pay them, or have no choice because they don’t have the money in the first place.  However, there is a solution for medical monopoly: they can get the government to hold a gun to people’s heads, to forcibly take money out of their bank accounts: first, to pay for their own share of the ever-spiraling costs, and second, to make up for the many who can’t pay even with a gun to their heads.

I’m just waiting to see what the progs do, although I fear I know the answer in advance.

Is it Time to Disband the Republican Party?

By Mike Whitney

September 13, 2009 “Information Clearing House”—Is it time to disband the Republican Party?

Surely, the events of the past week suggest that the G.O.P. has outlived its shelf-life and needs to be conveyed pell-mell to the nearest dumpster. First, there was the Joe Wilson flap, where the indignant representative from South Carolina barked “You Lie” to President Barack Obama during his prepared remarks to Congress on health care. This is the very same Wilson who applauded all the bogus allegations about imaginary weapons of mass destruction and ties to al Qaida made in countless speeches by ex-president George W Bush. Now we are expected to believe that Joe is acting in “good conscience” in opposing minimal health care to a larger swath of uninsured Americans?

Right.

Typical of Bush-era Republicans, Wilson issued a groveling apology to the White House, and then—just hours later—made an about-face in an appearance on the Sean Hannity program. Wilson defended all the canards which Obama effectively disproved in Wednesday night’s speech. Here’s a clip from the FOX News transcript:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23484.htm

Liberal Democratic Party USA,

“We can beat back the consrvative corporatist in both parties.”

We don’t need to beat back the Conservative/Moderate corporatists but in ONE political party, the Democratic Party. The Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS ARE the REPUBLICAN PARTY.

We can beat back the consrvative corporatist in both parties.

I consider it the point that progressives fight back. The Reagan Republiklan revolution aka known as the CRAP EATERS

“Citizens Resisting Anything Progressive, Especially Anything That Enables Real Security” (CRAP EATERS)

did what they did only because corporations funded them. Similarly if we go on a financial boycott against the funders of conservatives in both parties we can force congress to enact progressive legislation.

GO TO http://DEMOCRATZ.ORG to see health care and other petitions with immediate emailing to the people we petition. Get others to sign these petitions.

Inherit The Wind,

“He’s not only crass and rude, he’s STUPID AND WRONG!”

That he is, and that was EXTREME; but you, the media and nearly everyone is talking about this Republican EXTREMIST, Joe Wilson, and are unable to do anything about it, which is what the Republicans want; and before long it will be some other EXTREME Republican or Republican EXTREMIST act to keep people minds situated on Republican control of the country, even though Republican EXTREMISTS are only a 10% minority population—that are trying to get the majority population of working people to accept autocratic Republican power to control the country over the Liberal democratic control, trying to make Liberals appear to never do anything and can’t even do anything about the Republican EXTREMISTS, so in the minds of the working population the Republican EXTREME are the most powerful and the country just relinquishes their MAJORITY population control. Weimar Republic—Same Place—Same Station.

Adolph Hitler’s frame in “Mein Kampf”:  “At that time I (Adolph Hitler) adopted the standpoint:  It makes no difference whatever, whether they [the Media, the Democrats & the workers] laugh at us [the Republican EXTREMISTS] or revile us [the Republican EXTREMISTS], whether they [the Media, the Democrats & the workers] represent us [the Republican EXTREMISTS] as clowns or criminals; the main thing is that they [the Media, the Democrats & the workers] mention us [the Republican EXTREMISTS], that they [the Media, the Democrats & the workers] concern themselves with us [the Republican EXTREMISTS] again and again, and that we [the Republican EXTREMISTS] gradually in the eyes of the workers themselves appear to be the ONLY POWER that anyone reckons with at the moment.  What we [the Republican EXTREMISTS] really are and what we [the Republican EXTREMISTS] really want, we [the Republican EXTREMISTS] will show the wolves of the Jewish press [the Liberals] when the time comes.”

When will people start seeing that the same “Mein Kampf” propagandistic system of frames that Hitler used to take control of the Weimar Republic of Germany, the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS are using on the working people of the United States today?

To those who think that they should not be forced to get health insurance…

Chaotic, what people are opposed to is being forced to buy PRIVATE health
insurance, which is what the bill is being compromised down to. And if you can’t
afford to buy insurance…then they can slap you with a fine!

Single payer would be different, we would pay for it the same way we pay for
public schools, fire dept, postal service, etc…without the middleman. Big
difference. The way things are going now, health care “reform” will end up
BENEFITING the insurance companies.

Obama is no more than a man that stands in front of a urinal and does the 3 fingered salute as most men do. True, he was elected to the highest office of our land like most politicians through lies and manipulations that brought him that feat. He was and is a mouthpiece for the fascist controllers of our nation. Joe Wilson was right he does lie. Who has/or had the power to say that democracy was tidy and civil? I despise good old Joe but not for him being outspoken and boisterous. The health plan, torture allowence, 2 wars proceeding, bailout of banks, insurance, and auto manufactures, and tax breaks for the rich on-going absolutely give Rep. Wilson cause for calling our president a LIAR.

ocjim:
‘The truth is that George W. Bush demeaned the office of the presidency so much that it was already in tatters. ...’

Oh, come on.  The president is generally treated as a monarch.  That’s what this article is about—the sacrilege of one good ol’ dumb boy in Congress forgetting himself and making a loud remark in which he doubtless believes—right in front of the throne!  Paradoxically, “liberals” seem to go in for this sort of thing more than “conservatives”—look at the sycophantic hagiography surrounding the Kennedys and FDR.  What happened to liberal egalitarianism, skepticism, and—liberty?  Down the monarchical tubes, I guess.

Thanks for the correction and details, Inherit.

The truth is that George W. Bush demeaned the office of the presidency so much that it was already in tatters. Even with intelligence and good taste succeeding corruption and mediocrity, it is not enough to lend honor to an office which Bush 1) used for his own purposes and 2) for partisan purposes.

Bush lowered the status of the office for all times, and the money needed to get a candidate in that same office cheapens it even more.

Let’s face it, in many ways we have become like a banana republic. The Republican opposition proves over and over that they have no honor, this since the time of Newt’s conman tract with America.

SaveTheTenth,

”..ever seen the House of Commons on BBC?)”

Could it be that the House of Commons represents the Common Population—the same Common Population that in the United States 70% of the MAJORITY Common Population are not being represented?

Seriously? This is what we’re talking about after a president’s inspirational speech selling us down the river?

Wilson’s behavior was undignified, at the very least, but it’s a sideshow that the editorial writer led masses are fixating on rather than dissecting the speech and what it means.

Sebelious: Asked if the administration’s program will be drafted specifically to prevent it from evolving into a single-payer plan, Sebelius says: “I think that’s very much the case…”

This isn’t going to be about making sure everyone has insurance, but rather that the IRS will act as the enforcement arm so that everyone must purchase insurance to guarantee the profits of the insurance industry. An industry that does nothing except write checks and skim a huge percentage off the top.

All the good ideas have already been thrown away; the ones that are left A. won’t fix the problems we have and B. will probably make them worse.

I don’t care that the right hand is making an ass of itself if the left hand is busy choking me to death.

Lèse majesté....

I haven’t read anyone adressing how President
Obama handled the rudeness of Rep. Wilson.  If
that had been me I probably would have lost my
composure and yelled, “Get that guy out of here!”
President Obama stared at him momentarily, looked
at his speech and quietly said, “No, I don’t!”
and went on with his speech.  I thought he
handled the situation rather well.  He’s no
dummy!  He knows he is confronted daily with
lying deceptive individuals who have sold their
souls to the devil(Corporations). He would go
a long way in gaining the respect of people
if he would expose the liers and deceivers.

Leefeller, September 13 at 9:45 am #

You can’t see me; but picture a standing ovation.

Ignorance speaks lies, we had eight years of lies, maybe
Wilson, may have just had enough and his rectal active
outburst was panning for the good old Bush years? 

Blacky talking down to whitey is more than the mental
misanthropes who believe Obama should still be sitting
in the back of the bus, can handle.

Staples like bread and butter for racists love their
bread and butter, constantly stoking their love, and
only hope, hate!

Accepting Wilson’s outburst as okay is to embellish hate
with open arms.

ChaoticGood wrote:
“These folks opposed to mandatory health insurance are not only ignorant, but selfish as well. I suppose that is the prerequsite for being a Republican nowdays”
____________________________________________________

Nobody is opposed to mandatory health insurance.
But why doesn’t the government provide it directly to the people instead of taking your tax money and give it to dastard greedy insurance company that might deny treatment for some people.
Single payer system is simple, efficient and provide universal coverage and any other “solution” is not a solution and will perpetuate the problem with more people denied adequate health care and dying while the insurance companies are piling more profits.

To those who think that they should not be forced to get health insurance:

I get that you don’t want some uppity politician telling you what you have to do.

You want to assert your right to not purchase health insurance if you don’t want it, right?

Ok, then, do I get the right to deny you healthcare if you cannot afford it? 

Do I get to watch you die on the street in the gutter because you get cancer and cannot afford treatment?  Do I have to pay for your paupers funeral as well. 

Oh no, you say, you will never get cancer will you.  You are immortal and don’t need no stinkin health insurance.  By God, you say, no politician is going to interfere in my god given right to inflict my sickness on others.

Furthermore, do I get to pay for my childs illness because you refused to have health insurance for your child and they go to the same school and your kid infected mine.  Sure, I guess I get to do that too.

Yeah, ok, don’t pay for your health insurance and then let me cover the bill for you out of my taxes.

Republicans who think they don’t have to get health insurance are not defending any great American ideal or principle, they just want a free ride on my bank account and my taxes.

These folks opposed to mandatory health insurance are not only ignorant, but selfish as well. I suppose that is the prerequsite for being a Republican nowdays.

So

3 days after the President proposes something never before attempted by the Feds (requiring the purchase of a private product by all citizens under penalty of law to be administered by the IRS) people have been and still are talking about Wilsons outburst.

Not even the hard core right wing commentators or websites that I’ve seen are speaking about this power grab and all they’d have to do to bring *major attention* and outrage would be to highlight this for what it is.

A Major Never Before Seen Precedent.

They are going to RE WRITE the tax code and all most people can do is yelp about the “lack of respect” or some such nonsense. (hey complainers, ever seen the House of Commons on BBC?)

Something stinks here. Bad. I’m thinking the fix was in awhile ago.

To the waiver:

you feel everything, and understand nothing.

Did any Democrat dare dis the OFFICE of the President when that bumbling incoherent imbecile was spouting lie after lie at them, hundreds of them about WMDs, connections between Saddam and Al Qaeda, about the budget, Medicare, etc.?  No. There’s a time and a place to call the President a liar but while he’s making a speech to a joint session of Congress is NOT that time.

On top of it, “Wrong Way” Wilson was flat-out WRONG!  He’s not only crass and rude, he’s STUPID AND WRONG!

You, Mr. Waiver, are a brain-washed fool who cannot face facts or reality.

And he’s a member of the Sons of the Konfederacy, the next gen Ku Klux Klan.  Check it out.

The powers that be have done their job all too well, they have polarized the
people. People that have no common ground are easy to control, they swing
back and forth between the extremes like a pendulum. The lack of a real
center works for the powers that be. Both sides are irrational yet they can only
see the faults of the other extreme. Name calling has replaced dialog and with
each passing day the government gains power and you lose power. The
apparent power changes every few years but the real power remains in the
hands of the few. You can continue this roller coaster ride or you can get off
your lazy asses and fire your leaders along with the oppositions leaders. If you
no longer know what you should be then perhaps I can help. If you have any
kind of brain at all you will be a fiscal conservative and a Constitutional liberal.

ardee,
I think it is sad as well.  Your comment about “the waiver” is all too true.

It has always amazed me how people can get “caught up” in emotions so deeply that they suspend all rationality.

It reminds me of a tragic story that I experienced about 15 years ago.
I was working in a hi-tech engineering company and I had a very good friend named Sami.  He was a brilliant engineer from Lebanon.  He had a wonderful family and a bright future.  One day he came and told me that he was returning to Lebanon to fight against Israel.  He just “knew” that he could make a difference.  I tried to reason with him.  He was not a soldier, he was an engineer.  He told me that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth.  His reason was gone, only emotion remained.  Within 30 days, he died in Lebanon.  His grieving father came to me and asked me why I did not talk his son out of going to fight and die.  I could not answer him.

The pointless discussions that we try to have with Republicans remind me of the times that I tried in vain to tell Sami, that he was fighting a lost cause. It is a lesson to all liberals.  When you encounter a Republican, it is worthless to try to reason with them, because they are thinking with their emotions.

The really ironic thing is that all this fury aimed at liberals really should be aimed at the crass Republican bosses that manipulated the conservative movement to enrich themselves.  Maybe someday the Republicans will wake up and see who are their true enemies really are.  Or, sadly, maybe they won’t and they will continue their rants to defend a mythology.

the waiver,

Apparently you have a grave misunderstanding of anything political.  President Obama has great admiration and love for the people of the United States, but felt the need to apologize for the past eight undiplomatic EXTREMIST years of the Bush administration.

I’m of a different mind here about this Joe wilson thing. If Wilson had been accurate about Obama’s lying then I think it would have been perfectly acceptable. I would have considered him to have done what I want people to do when people in positions of power and policy deliberately lie for their own sense of importance. But Joe Wilson himself lied and that makes him someone to kick in the ass for his even more innappropriate behavior! Me, had I been there and been able to get close enough I would have punched Obama in the nose! When any elected offical, let alone the President, gets up and tells me that he believes that the health insurance industry is entitled to make a profit then he deserves a good coup de point sur la naies!Excuse my french! Neither my life, nor any one elses’ life should be a commodity for some one to either make a living off of or to get rich off of by killing us.

Imagine that you paid me a monthly fee for some 30 or 40 years and our agreement was that in the dire need you would call me and I would come and do whatever necessary to save your life. Imagine that one day when your life was in danger you called me and I said, well, I don’t want to risk my financial well being by coming to your rescue and as a result you got killed. Isn’t this at the very least fraud? Wouldn’t one also think that this was murder? Wouldn’t you think that if not legally that morally this was wrong and unacceptable?

Three days ago a study was released that says that instead of the 7 to 12% denial of treatment claims that the insurance industry said they were making it turns out that depending on the company it is more like 32 to 43%.And Obama thinks that this is acceptable? Who does he think he is, George Walker Bush for Chris’s sake?

Obama made another false claim. He said,  “that there are those on the left who want single payer and there are those on the right that say the free market can cover the people and they both may be right.” He presents this claim as if they were equal and opposing points of view which they are not. Obama himself admitted that single payer is the only solution and yet he advocates for some vague public option. He calims that single payer is just “too complicated” as if there weren’t countries to pattern a system on or that we don’t have a sytem already in place that would work, Medicare. The notion that the free market could work is a lie. It has been working for som 45 years and we are in this situation because it has been a disaster for the people while those who advocate free market principles have gotten rich off our deaths.

Obama says health care reform is what he wants when what he actually means is minor health insurance reform which will more than likely wind up with a mandated purchase and government subsidies going to further enrich the wealthy elite to whom he and most of the other menbers of Congress are beholding.

While I realize that this was not a debate but a speech where decorum rules, when someone blatantly tells lies they should be immediately branded as such. I wish that it would be a custom where shoes could be thrown at any one who deliberately lies to the People. Of course the person throwing the shoe had damn well better have proof. Maybe it would make for a more accurate and truthful elective body. I wish that more of our legislators had had the balls to call Bush and Cheney on their lies. I wish they had the balls to call them on them now but we are too busy looking ahead and forgetting the past when criminals roamed the Whitehouse and the halls of Congress. This only insures that they will do so again in the future and they may damn well be roaming them right now!

the waiver, September 12 at 7:45 pm

The saddest thing about your post is that I am certain that you believe it.

Respect for the office of the President works both ways.  When Obama at the G-20 meeting in London—stood before the Queen of England—dignitaries of around the World and called the American people—arrogant people—we were derisive—decisive in regards to other countries.  I forgot just how many times he used the word—I APOLOGIZE for THE AMERICAN GOVT AND PEOPLE!

Went on to Cairo—Obama is proud of the American Muslim heritage in America.  Never mentioned I am proud of the American people (black, white, red, whatever—I am proud to to be their leader.

In Russia, news anchorman asked Obama- “if he thought the western world has accomplished more than the Eastern part of the world.  The response—NO—WE ARE ON EQUAL FOOTING!

So respect for America—The Land of the Free—with our President implying America full of arrogance—maybe that is why Obama doesn’t want any company to make a profit (unless it is given back to his Administration).  Every American must sacrifice—one day he will be setting salaries for the people at McDonalds.

I don’t hate this President—I just wished he was as proud of America (not just the American Muslims Heritage)as we are proud of him to be our leader!!!

This country has a single party which is the big money/business party. Both the Democratic and Republican parties are two different masks for the same person. Each mask is put on at the appropriate time and occasion.
So, what Joe Willson did was a deliberate act that was condoned by all parties involved??!! It is make believe theatrics and bullshitting.
Bipartisanship will go on no matter how many people are kicked in the ass and insulted publicly.
So magnanimous are those lovely Democrats!!!

Mr. Robinson

Knowing what we do about humans, and human nature in general, how is it possible to come across so many comments describing one political party as being more arrogant, more racist, more corrupt or partisan over another? How is this possible?

When we understand that every President and King has his or her loyal opposition, and how that game has little changed over thousands of years, and that we have seen nothing unusual since Jan. 09, why do you put so much importance on the president’s skin color?

I am sincerely wondering aloud. Would it be possible to argue that it’s you who are guilty of racism?

Folktruther, September 12 at 4:27 pm #

Whiteness is a cultural construct as much as anything.
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FT, you’ve got it a little confused in fact and detail but in essentials you are correct. The anti-immigrant legislation of the late teens and early 20’s was designed to shut down the flow from Southern Europe (primarily Italy) and Eastern Europe—Slavs, Poles, and, of course, Jews.  These were all considered “lesser races”, not as good as Anglo-Saxon or Germanic races. 

But before them the Chinese had that distinction in the West and Irish had it in the East.

By the time of the Civil War and after Irish were considered the “mongrel” race.  Pete Seeger even sang a song about it called “No Irish Need Apply” (referring to the hiring signs).

The Chinese were considered SO dangerous that laws were passed (I think it was under Wilson) that shut off ALL immigration from China.

“Wrong-Way” Wilson’s racist hatred of immigrants, which are, in fact, the great STRENGTH of America, is as ancient as it is irrational.

Actually, Anarssie, Whitness WAS constued historically to include a larger number of people, the Irish not being considered White, orignally, or Really White.  Also the Italiaans if I remember rigtht.  Now the Hispanics are classified offically as White.  And as James Baldwin commented, many members of the Black races are lighter skinned than members of the White races.

Whiteness is a cultural construct as much as anything.

The ‘illegal aliens’ arrived in 1492. I suspect that Wilson has no legitimate
claim to America.

By Inherit The Wind, September 12 at 3:59 pm #

Now it turns out “Wrong-Way” Wilson is a member of an racist org called “The
Sons of The Konfederacy” which is rapidly becoming a kleaned up version of,
yup, the Ku Klux Klan, seeking a VIOLENT seizure of power so that the “White”
race can dominate even as it moves steadily toward minority status.

So, when “Wrong-Way” hears “illegal aliens” his tiny mind IMMEDIATELY leaps
to NON-WHITE people, igniting his clear racial hatred.

If ole’ “Wrong-Way” typifies the “ideal Aryan” then our nation BETTER go
“brown” sooner!  Because he is one hell of a loser.

It is industrial grade stupid to believe anything that either republicans or
democrats say. The only thing that they all want is power, by voting for them
and spreading their lies the sheep keep them in power. There is no “lesser of
two evils” it is more like who is the better liar. Read the Declaration of
Independence, think about and then fire their criminal asses. The passage that
you need is below.

“Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the
consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes
destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and
organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect
their Safety and Happiness.”

“You can always spot an honest politician, six feet above his
head is a large granite stone with his name on it”

By FlyoverCountryBoy, September 12 at 3:31 pm #

I think Obama can expect an even rougher ride in the coming weeks in the
wake of this growing ACORN story.

I just got in from the Springfield, Missouri, Tea Party event as was excited to
see so many people out and actively voicing their opinions on taxes, reform
and the role of government. The ACORN story was still all the rage, a la
“Advance the Cause of Child Prostitution? YES! WE! CAN!” athttp://
firebreathingchristian.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/advance-the-cause-of-
child-prostitution-yes-we-can/

Now it turns out “Wrong-Way” Wilson is a member of an racist org called “The Sons of The Konfederacy” which is rapidly becoming a kleaned up version of, yup, the Ku Klux Klan, seeking a VIOLENT seizure of power so that the “White” race can dominate even as it moves steadily toward minority status.

So, when “Wrong-Way” hears “illegal aliens” his tiny mind IMMEDIATELY leaps to NON-WHITE people, igniting his clear racial hatred.

If ole’ “Wrong-Way” typifies the “ideal Aryan” then our nation BETTER go “brown” sooner!  Because he is one hell of a loser.

Eugene Robinson writes (No Way to Treat a President). I think he has his title wrong it should read, No Way To Treat (the man made) messiah. I guess the gross disrespect to President Bush is again the great example of the lefts double standards.

I think Obama can expect an even rougher ride in the coming weeks in the wake of this growing ACORN story.

I just got in from the Springfield, Missouri, Tea Party event as was excited to see so many people out and actively voicing their opinions on taxes, reform and the role of government. The ACORN story was still all the rage, a la “Advance the Cause of Child Prostitution? YES! WE! CAN!” at http://firebreathingchristian.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/advance-the-cause-of-child-prostitution-yes-we-can/

Folktruther, September 12 at 1:27 pm #

The US was founded on the ethnic cleasning of Indians, the slavery of Africans, the stealing of half of Mexico from Hispanics, the imprisoning of Japanese citizens in concentration camps, an d the mass slaughther of milliions of non-White people in US imperailism.  American racism drives the War on Terrorism, the stealing of the oil reserves of non-White Muslims.  And the ISraeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

All true, and indeed true of most nations currently existing on this planet. It seems almost inherent in humans to congregate like to like and persecute differences. One may observe small children banding together to make fun of one of their group who demonstrates any unique difference. One may also see the attempt to make one religion superior over all others and, in fact, to force conversion or worse.

Yet I think this changes, albeit slowly and unevenly around the planet. Regardless of how many votes Obama garnered, and from which demographics, he is our President. A small step forward regardless of how much I detest his politics. I think that is all we may hope for, small steps.

Whiteness could just be the lack of melanin in skin cells….

If Whiteness is merely a social construct, it will be possible to simply expand the notion to cover whatever portion of the population is deemed sufficiently stable and obedient to support the ruling class.

The level of racism is diminishing as time goes by. As a member of two races,
French and Indian I have witnessed it for over 61 years. When I was a kid I was
just a dumb f***ing Indian to whites and Indians thought that I was diluting
the genes of Indians. Racism is present in all races, no one race has cornered
the market. When I was young both races called me ‘breed’, when I decided to
call myself ‘breed’ they stopped. If you people cannot learn to live together
then you will most certainly die together.

Obama had a chance to get my support but he blew it. If he had built a million
windmills with the stimulus money instead of giving it to the bankers he would
have had my support. Roosevelt built dams that are producing energy to this
day, Obama saved the people that caused this mess in the first place. I have a
nickname for Obama, Bush lite.

tropicgirl, I like a lot of your comments but I think you are a racist.  As most Americans are. It is part of American history that is concealed behind Inspiring rehetoric about Freedom&Democracy;. 

The US was founded on the ethnic cleasning of Indians, the slavery of Africans, the stealing of half of Mexico from Hispanics, the imprisoning of Japanese citizens in concentration camps, an d the mass slaughther of milliions of non-White people in US imperailism.  American racism drives the War on Terrorism, the stealing of the oil reserves of non-White Muslims.  And the ISraeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

But for God’s sake, don’t tell anyone.  This is part of what Mihael Parenti has called the DIRTY truth. It is excluded from the mainstream learned and mass media.  Obama was elected by less than a fourth of the US population, by a docile and subjugated people, whose conscious tolerance is belied by their lack of awareness of racism.  As yours is, Tropicgirl.

A few years ago, one out every two US children under the age of five were non-Anglo.  either Black, Hispanic, Asian, Pacifican, or Indian.  The US is becoming non-Anglo historically, surrounded by more than four fifths of the earthperson population living in Asia, African or Latin America.  Therefore the White population (a cultrual designation) tends to be defensive, and this includes sweeping racism under the rug.  Which is what you are trying to do, Tropicgirl, a racist maneuver.

Of course I know you are a decent person who tries to be non-racist. But this is not easy with an American heritage.  And we have a long way to go.

Anarcissie, your picture of a rowdy legislature is certainly an attractive one and hopefully will, with the throwing of oragnes, come to fruitation (heh, heh, heh.) Whites identify with authority to Defend us from non-Whites.