What about Dennis Kucinich? He was making his voice heard about torture, while dubya was still in office.

All the comments combine for a good article.

Wow:took to last paragraph or 2 to get to the nominee.
But don’t start giving kudos for following the law, yet.
Holder hasn’t done much yet, except to follow Obama
on continuing the secrecy and court cases/decisions from the “W” administration.

Western civilization is built on torture. Whether you believe our “advanced society” had its beginnings 2000 yrs ago at Golgatha with a crucifixion or in the year 1184 (or thereabout) in a fire pit at Constantinople (Istanbul) on the Bosphorus, both crucifixion and incineration are methods of intimidation by the ruling classes. The aim of the methods (torture) is to kill undesirable individuals and intimidate and dumb down the population all around.

So, we have a system in crisis, even though the powers that be keep saying that this is just a classic zag in the zig-zags of business cycles. The rulers (east, west, north, and south, but especifically the U.S. government and Europe) are again trying public displays of torture (the Abu Graib prison photos were not taken to stay secreted in the CIA’s archives, but to find their way to the public sector) as a means to inhibit the rising up of the population of an Earth overpopulated (at least 2 billion live in slums) with unnecessary labor.

The repressions will not work. Too many people are ready to preempt torture by sacrificing their lives just to “show” that the so-called “advanced civilization” has been marching backwards. It is an ancient mode of resistance: a miming of the way things are: theatre in the real.

Obama may have been elected in the hope that he will break with convention and bring about change.  However, his election was bank-rolled by the powerful for exactly the opposite reason.  Now who has he hoodwinked?  The hopeful public or the confident campaign contributors?

He has appointed a lawyer with many ties to corporate power as his Attorney General and, apparently, let him operate independently as he should.  It remains to be seen if Holder will be driven by the formal duty of his office and will prosecute those who appear to be guilty of the most egregious crimes (torture and election theft have to be top of the list).  To date Holder’s corporate and establishment background seems to have dominated his thinking ... but to be fair he has had a large damaged bureaucracy to fix. 

I’m with Pfaff in hoping that this will be the first in a series of actions where Holder does his duty and Obama allows it.  However, I am very concerned that the parameters of the investigation will be carefully calibrated to avoid upsetting the status quo.

Wouldn’t it be great though, to think that all those powerful big money campaign contibutors were the ones who were duped this time??

Sibel Edmond formerly classified secrets were subpoenaed and brought out in a civil suit. Check BradsBlog for the full story. Washington DC is the cesspool of corruption we know exists and knows no political party boundaries. Her testimony identifies the bribers and the bribed. Just as a something that walks, sounds, looks and craps like a duck is a duck and just as corrupt politicians sound, look and act corrupt they are corrupt. It’s the special interest, campaign contributors that reveal the corrupt politicians. He votes for and speaks for them. Also, they get government contracts and/or tax breaks.

I don’t know why pfaff lends himself to this bullshit.  He knows aa well as nayone that the Obama regime is still torturing.  Indeed, torture is included in the rewritten military manual.

The torture investigation is almost entirely a public relations coverup.  As Pfaff knows.

I’d recommend to Mr. Pfaff that he ought not to count his eggs before they’re in the pudding. Many government officials talk the talk; how many of them can also walk the walk?

I’ll believe Holder can walk the walk only when he actually does so, and not before.

By refusing to investigate high ranking officials of the previous administration, Obama joins them as a co-conspirator and becomes subject to the same criminal charges should something come of this.  It is a moral failure of massive proportions and one that may haunt his administration forever.  This country needs to undergo a serious house cleaning and to remove the myriad stains that Bush/Cheney spread across our nation.  Until we go after these criminals, we cannot stand on the moral high ground in any dealings with other countries.  And, should nothing be done, the groundwork has been laid for further criminal activity.  We need to remember that Rumsfeld and Cheney learned their “trade” at the knee of Richard Nixon, another crook who got away with serious crimes after a pardon from Gerald Ford.  It is no coincidence that they returned to government and resorted to the same behavior years later.  A lesson our current president seems to have never learned.