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Posted on Aug 3, 2009
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By Eugene Robinson

    If there’s been a more clinically insane political phenomenon in my lifetime than the “birthers,” I’ve missed it. Is this what our national discourse has come to? Sheer paranoid fantasy?

    I’m talking about the people who have convinced themselves that Barack Obama was not really born in the United States, and thus is ineligible to be president. Even some commentators who usually are among Obama’s most rabid critics have acknowledged that this idea is simply nuts. Yet it persists, out there on the farthest fringes of the right-wing blogosphere. Oh, and also on CNN, which is usually a little closer to reality.

    It has been definitively shown that there is not a scintilla of truth, or even the slightest ambiguity, in the whole “birther” idea. Officials in Hawaii have attested again and again that Obama was, in fact, born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. When the “birthers” demanded to see his birth certificate, state officials produced it. Journalists have looked at this complete non-story from every angle and concluded that it is, in fact, a complete non-story.

    To believe otherwise, it’s necessary to explain the fact that birth announcements heralding the arrival of baby boy Barack Obama ran in two Honolulu newspapers in August 1961. So to be a card-carrying “birther,” you have to believe not only that Hawaiian officials conspired to fabricate records, but also that “they”—not state officials, necessarily, but the generic malevolent “they” who inevitably lurk behind the deepest, darkest conspiracies—somehow managed to alter or replace clippings in yellowing newspaper archives.

    That’s what the less crazy birthers have to contend. The alternative scenario—for those who really ought to put their tinfoil hats back on—is that somehow this was all planned back in 1961: “They” diabolically planted these birth announcements 48 years ago, establishing a false record, so that a chosen infant who was actually born in some foreign land—Kenya? Indonesia? Manchuria?—could be groomed, perhaps programmed, and someday installed in the Oval Office. Cue evil-genius laughter.

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    These would be people who also believe that Stanley Kubrick’s comic masterpiece, “Dr. Strangelove,” was actually a documentary—and that Obama’s ultimate aim, as cleverly deduced by Gen. Jack D. Ripper, is to “sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.”

    There are probably people out there who think the world is flat, and they’re not worth writing about. The “birthers” wouldn’t be either unless you believe a poll released last week by Research 2000 revealing that an astounding 28 percent of Republicans actually think that Obama was not born in the United States and another 30 percent are “not sure.” GOP officials need to order more tinfoil.

    The survey, commissioned by the liberal Web site Daily Kos, found that 93 percent of Democrats and 83 percent of independents have no doubt—duh—that Obama was born in the United States. That only 42 percent of Republicans are similarly convinced is a fascinating indicator of just how far the Republican Party has drifted from the mainstream.

    Also beyond the Outer Limits of sanity is CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, who has been giving prime-time exposure to the “birther” lunacy—even while denying that he believes in it. Dobbs’ obsession with the “story” has become an embarrassment to the network, which has tried to position itself as untainted by political bias. CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein has pronounced the story “dead,” but insists that it’s legitimate for Dobbs to examine the alleged controversy, though in fact no controversy exists.

    The “birther” thing is only Dobbs’ latest detour from objective reality. For years, he has crusaded against illegal immigration by citing facts and figures that often turn out to be wrong. Television can confer a kind of pseudo-reality on any manner of nonsense.

    Is this an orchestrated campaign to somehow delegitimize Obama’s presidency? Is the fact that he is the first African-American president a factor? Is it that some people can’t or won’t accept that he won the election and serves as commander in chief?

    Maybe, maybe not. Trying to analyze the “birther” phenomenon would mean taking it seriously, and taking it seriously would be like arguing about the color of unicorns. About all that can be said is that a bunch of lost, confused and frightened people have decided to seek refuge in conspiratorial make-believe. I hope they’re harmless. And I hope they seek help.
   
    Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.
   
    © 2009, Washington Post Writers Group


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By Inherit The Wind, August 7, 2009 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

Paracelsus, August 6 at 10:19 pm #

I would like to retract my prior statement.
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By Leefeller, August 7, 2009 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

After considering all the bridges people stopped to pass water from, if one could step back in time to educate people or enlighten them of their ignorance or their miss understandings, what would one get for trying?  Probably the same kind of response we see now from birther mentality, instead, depending on how far back in time one was able to go, disrupting town hall meetings as the birthers seem to be doing in the present, in the past one could get their head chopped off or find them selves being burned at the stake.

Belief in itself does not mean truth, nor the desire to learn the truth,  in fact it may be the opposite, one should be aware of this. Their seems to be little difference in the blind belief or cause of a birher and persons who become suicide bombers.

History has shown us this.

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By ardee, August 7, 2009 at 3:55 am Link to this comment

Bill Maher had it right..He noted that we will show the Birther’s Obama’s birth certificate when they show us Sarah Palin’s High School diploma!

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment

I would like to retract my prior statement.

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

@ ITW

  Can’t even get that straight.  It was Professor Quincy Wagstaff of Huxley College, not Rufus T. Firefly, Dictator of Freedonia “We line ‘em up against the wall and Pop! Goes the weasel!”

And I thank you for the undeserved insult. Rufus T. Firefly was not in Duck Soup. He was in Horse Feathers. And you are correct about Freedonia if I had been talking about Duck Soup. Thank you for playing that old favorite game of gotcha. Do you really have fun doing this?

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By Inherit The Wind, August 6, 2009 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus, August 6 at 4:26 pm #

The propaganda is working or Paracelcius wouldn’t be having any reservations about Obama so they have done their work well.

I had reservations about Obama back in 2007. In fact I have reservations about the whole deal. To quote Rufus T. Firefly, “Whatever it is, I’m against it.” Let’s close down shop and go home.
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Can’t even get that straight.  It was Professor Quincy Wagstaff of Huxley College, not Rufus T. Firefly, Dictator of Freedonia “We line ‘em up against the wall and Pop! Goes the weasel!”

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By hippie4ever, August 6, 2009 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

NC-Tom, that’s a very good question. It varies. Places I’ve had residence:

Vancouver, B.C. Literate, very caffeinated, great bud, mediocre art, great sushi. People read a lot in cafes, libraries are well attended, population highly literate. Big problem: heroin. More addicts per capita than anywhere else in N. America, and mostly middle-class kids.

Dublin, Ireland. They tout their high literacy but the Church stunted many people’s education. Spelling is horrible but the Irish are very political and expressive; even so their governments have been disappointing and there’s as much corruption there as in Washington. Biggest problem: cocaine. It is on every euro exchanged, which translates to about 25% of the population. However, I haven’t been there for a year and I’ve heard the Celtic Tiger is dead.

Montpellier, France. This is the laid-back part of the country, and the people have a history of unorthodoxy. Yet the French have the same problems: their parties do not represent their people, and big business runs everything. And I found it interesting that a majority of the French last year did not know about the Euro expansion eastward. They are the most “American” of the Europeans, with similar strengths & weaknesses.

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By Leefeller, August 6, 2009 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment

Looking back at spinning wheels, we have had many from which to refer from. Media does wast much time on crap, 90 percent of which does not have any effect on me, my family, you or most of the people of this Nation or world. Headlines are just another sell, they have no; it seems; obligation to tell the difference between reality from fiction. So we have Harry Potter seemingly as real as any posted news storie.

Harry Potter is a true story and he Harry is a real person, but of course one must read the books for they have been written.

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus - why do you do it? No ones hearing, reading, receptive….Could you tell me how to turn the email alert off (once I’ve made the mistake of leaving it turned on…)? Maybe this deselect will over ride previous.

I should drop it. No, no one listens. It’s probably boob bait, because the argument is the long form exists, but you are not allowed to view it, or we don’t have it anymore. Besides you should take it on faith that that the FBI checked it out. Just hit the following:

If you’d like to STOP receiving notifications
for comments on this story, click here:

http://www.truthdig.com/?ACT=2&id=XXXX

Then you will stop receiving notices. I wish I had not brought it up because there is enough to have doubt, but there is no way to check it out. I try to think for myself, but it is hard not to know if I have fallen to group think. Are we really individuals or are we the Borg?

Anyhow I found out that Obama had to hire five lawyers to deal with the BC controversy. Also snopes.com had one hospital for his birth in Hawaii, and then it changed to another. The natural citizen clause in Constitution was included so that hereditary nobility could not just relocate to the United States to claim the executive office. The Bourbon Austrian family was well known for ruling over subject populations that were not native to their language or culture. There were crisises in Europe where a war would be fought to prevent the consolidation of one nation with another thus creating a threatening super state. Many times the foreign monarch would sell the country down the toilet. Poland had some Lithuanian nobility who saw nothing wrong with liquidating the Polish nation so that it would be divided among Russia, Germany and Austria. The Polish elite was truly multinational and had not real loyalty to the peasants classes they ruled over. A NWO would be easier to form if the executives of each nation had no strong loyalties to their nation state. This is a large part of the worry in the Patriot community. Anyhow I use liberal sources, conservative sources, and alternative media sources for my thinking. It all goes into the mix.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/obamas_birth_certifcate_forgery/

Yeah, I know it sounds kooky.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 6, 2009 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

Look at the alert and you will see a place you can go to shut it off. Also in the comment box you can un-check the box too. Very simple. Just look.

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By dgswilson, August 6, 2009 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus - why do you do it? No ones hearing, reading, receptive….Could you tell me how to turn the email alert off (once I’ve made the mistake of leaving it turned on…)? Maybe this deselect will over ride previous.

As for getting the opportunity to come back and read bicker/banter comments, which I can’t believe I’m doing, I’m pretty pessimistic towards our chances for survival. Not just as a nation, but as a species. Keep it up folks. Whatever you do - don’t learn anything. It will tear your worlds apart.

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By BruSays, August 6, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

My point was, and remains, despite all WE (truthdig) knew, our nation voted for Bush in ‘04.

WE wring our hands over the birthers and their ignorance, yet their primetime dialog continues.

WE hemorage over the thought of Sarah Palin as vice-president yet she’s still headline news.

WE know a Single Payer health system makes sense yet most American’s distrust it.

There’s no lack of data to support the progressive agenda. There’s a lack of air time and THAT’S where are focus should be: cracking this Corporate News Media nut.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 6, 2009 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

True he was and is crap. As I said before they won’t offer us a real difference. Just one that seems better than the other. Depending on your point of view that is.

The Left mostly knows by what Obama does that he isn’t on their side. But they can certainly see if they can influence him. I don’t expect him to change his spots for real.

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

The propaganda is working or Paracelcius wouldn’t be having any reservations about Obama so they have done their work well.

I had reservations about Obama back in 2007. In fact I have reservations about the whole deal. To quote Rufus T. Firefly, “Whatever it is, I’m against it.” Let’s close down shop and go home.

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

In 2004 most of us thought…
1. John Kerry served in Vietnam with honor.
2. The war in Iraq was going badly.
3. The “War on Terror” was a joke.
...and we elected George W. Bush, anyway.

Let’s see. John Kerry voted for the Iraqi War and the Afghnistan War. He ran as a dead horse against “W”, and he and “W” were both Bonesman. In another words he was crap!!!

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

Why no talk about John Sidney McCaine III foreign birth? He was born on a military base in Panama 6 years before a law allowed for it to be considered USA soil. So he was retroactively put in even though that is un-Constitutional and if you voice it you are considered a crank! No one will say that or entertain that and be taken seriously. Contrast and compare and see how you view this “birther” snow job to it.

Fine with me. McCaine is fair game as well. It’s a bit late, but whatever.

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

“I think, given the utter insanity and the vapidity of nearly illiterate figures in the Republican Party like Sarah Palin or evangelical idiots like Mike Huckabee, Obama will be the clear choice for re-election in 2012.

I also think, like Elizabeth,  Obama will continue to struggle and gain footing as someone who really is a President of the United States and who has the grudging respect of the arrogant and ruthless elitists of Wall Street.”

I might be somewhat convinced if Obama would allow the Iraqi torture photos to be released, and would prosecute all the Bush officials who made torture active policy. Otherwise, he’s crap!!!

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By Shenonymous, August 6, 2009 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

If ever there was an example of spinning one’s wheels, StuartH, it is to see your completely cogent observations and sage advice almost totally ignored except by the always-precocious Louise.  But as you can see, the other TDers want only to see the print of their own electronic voice and admire only what they consider is their own accurate view of things whether it is for such a doggedly stupid concern of something such as a birth certificate the original of which is never available to anyone, who cannot be satisfied even if it is a verified copy of the original, or about anything they can never do anything about or even affect in the least.  It seems they have selective amnesia, mere minds that love ranting and boasting and preening themselves before the other rabble here.

You are completely right about Obama, and I was proud to vote for him as well for the very reasons you clearly express.  He will prove himself right, successful over the time he will be President, and I agree with Louise he will win reelection.  He is a mystery to those not used to having an intelligence in the white house.  Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and not only intelligent but had long practice at infighting.  But he had his weaknesses Obama is a younger man, 48 is it?  His weakness is smoking (ah, I do hope he can quit-  Quick, get him the patch).  He is amazingly mature for that young political age.  At least he isn’t one of the stale old gray hairs who think only they know the score(s).  I think the tendency for the voting population of becoming younger will be a huge factor in the next election.  Obama knows what he needs to do and he will show how skillful he is at accomplishing it.  It is a revelation process meaning it is not revealed all at once!  That makes the fortunetellers very nervous.  Hooray for Barack.

The effort by his detractors from both the rabid right and the rabid left will come to naught and as I said it is like watching…. (I mildly apologize for the scatological language I used earlier, but sometimes I act out of a sanguine nature rather than cool controlled logic when frustration with those whom I think has some mental ability to think but lack the will to do so).  Sigh.  Maybe someday I’ll learn to bow more deeply and only before the beast of logic (probably not).

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By BruSays, August 6, 2009 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

We must be careful what we “Think.” What WE think (most of us here on Truthdig) is of little matter.

Back in 2003 most here on Truthdig thought…
1. Iraq and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11.
2. Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.
3. We’d have no business invading a sovereign nation.
...and we invaded a sovereign nation, anyway.
 
In 2004 most of us thought…
1. John Kerry served in Vietnam with honor.
2. The war in Iraq was going badly.
3. The “War on Terror” was a joke.
...and we elected George W. Bush, anyway.

To the above, add the cover-up surrounding John Tillman’s “enemy fire” death; the attempted cover-up of Iraqi prison atrocities and torture; the crap surrounding Terry Schiavo’s comatose state; the revelations revealed by the 10 Downing Street memo; the attempted cover-up of Cheney’s shotgun blast; the “outed” smear campaign on Cindy Sheehan; the “outed” plans orchestrated by Justice Gonzales; the pathetic response following Hurricane Katrina; the sub-prime loan scandals; the bank bail-out schemes…

...and Obama won with 53% vs. McCain’s 46%...hardly a landslide plurality.

Care to guess how the election would go if it were held this November?

So, it’s obviously not what WE think. It’s ALL about getting the message to those who don’t think as we think. And there’s the rub. There’s the wall called Corporate News Media.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 6, 2009 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

The propaganda is working or Paracelcius wouldn’t be having any reservations about Obama so they have done their work well.

The curious thing is that Obama, like Clinton before him were doing their job and getting the Cabal’s business done. The Continueity Of Gov’t under the fascists as they wear down the republic. Weaken its safe guards to bring it down. This manufactured partisanship here makes Obama look even better as he continues all that has been done before during the past 28 years. It is working.

Why no talk about John Sidney McCaine III foreign birth? He was born on a military base in Panama 6 years before a law allowed for it to be considered USA soil. So he was retroactively put in even though that is un-Constitutional and if you voice it you are considered a crank! No one will say that or entertain that and be taken seriously. Contrast and compare and see how you view this “birther” snow job to it.

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By Louise, August 6, 2009 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

StuartH,

“I think, given the utter insanity and the vapidity of nearly illiterate figures in the Republican Party like Sarah Palin or evangelical idiots like Mike Huckabee, Obama will be the clear choice for re-election in 2012. 

I also think, like Elizabeth,  Obama will continue to struggle and gain footing as someone who really is a President of the United States and who has the grudging respect of the arrogant and ruthless elitists of Wall Street.”

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Great comment! Thanks for sharing your wisdom. smile

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Paracelsus,

“Yep! So why can’t it be produced? (LFBC) Duh.”

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Oh Paracelsus, you are such fun!

It can be produced!

Like I said, fly to Hawaii and go fish. When you find it, which you will, you can apply for that $100,000 and organize your own group of malcontents!

You could call it Parasasses.

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By lucid, August 6, 2009 at 9:50 am Link to this comment
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a pretty tasteless article. Eugene is as unconcerned with truth as the neocons were during the Iraq War.

It should be of no suprise to anyone why there is so much suspicion among the population.

Iraq war lies?
11% congressional approval rating?
Obama’s renegging habits?
Bailouts for big banks and not anyone else?
Obama’s one million in legal fees to secure his origin!

I mean come on people, our government is beyond repair. FUBAR!

Just consider Obama’s deception another slimemold aided and abeited by the international criminal cartel. They maliciously manipulate other countries, why should our country be any different?

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By StuartH, August 6, 2009 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

I think, from reading the comments here, that a lot of Americans are politically illiterate.

Pure crap like the birth certificate stupidity takes up a lot of time while the really important things that are going on are ignored completely.  The media loves to do this because it is so easy to do.  And it makes them lots of money.

What people also have failed to realize is just what is going on with Wall Street.  The question of whether the President of the United States or the entire US govenment for that matter, actually has power over the financial elite has been at issue since at least Kennedy.  There are those who argue that one of the possible motives in his assassination was his knowledge of finance and interest in reform.
Or not. 

But it is demonstrably true that bankers at the international level have a lot of contempt for mere mortals, including the President.  They generally were born into a different world, travel the world on mega yachts, fly on their own private jets, and talk to people who all got their education at places like Harvard or the Sorbonne. 

The fact they what they do with money that really belongs to the rest of us, through the banking system, isn’t a concern that reaches them.  If we lost money, oh well that is the lot of those fated to be sheep.

What the President and Congress have to do in order to reign these people in is a delicate dance with very dangerous people. 

A good analogy might be had by watching the movie Elizabeth, which came out around 2000.  She is depicted as young and naive and a bit enlightened, compared to her sister who was burning people at the stake for not being of the same religious persuasion.  She also had to grow up fast and become a wielder of power in the world she lived in, rather than the one she would prefer, and to deal with what happens when she failed to do so.  She had to put heads on pikes.

I think, given the utter insanity and the vapidity of nearly illiterate figures in the Republican Party like Sarah Palin or evangelical idiots like Mike Huckabee, Obama will be the clear choice for re-election in 2012. 

I also think, like Elizabeth,  Obama will continue to struggle and gain footing as someone who really is a President of the United States and who has the grudging respect of the arrogant and ruthless elitists of Wall Street. 

I think that his grasp of the need to deal with a long overdue agenda of energy reform, science based policy analysis, and a long list of other things Bush really screwed up, will not only help in the short term, but in the long term as well.

The world is changing and Bush and the evangelicals were trying to move the clock back rather than to deal with emerging realities. 

The last thing we need in 2012 is another Republican Administration that doesn’t understand the world as it is and instead is driven by some kind of evangelical medievalism based on a fear of the future and a preference for putting stupid people at the forefront of policy direction.

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

@ Inherit The Wind

As far as I know, if there was a rumor that President, R or D performed fellatio on Satan in order to become the man he[or woman] is, I feel that it would be quite believable. Ever since BHO, Pelosi, Rahm Emmanuel, Steni Hoyer, et al organized together to block impeach proceedings against Bush and co, I have had a visceral cynicism against government officials. Given the secrecy that is wont in Washington as well as the dirty dealings I am willing to throw against the wall to see if it sticks. I must congratulate Larry Flynt on his efforts.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 6, 2009 at 8:19 am Link to this comment

Leefeller, August 6 at 10:30 am #

When speaking of outright stupidity such as the birther blather, with contrived foolery or fake trepidation by saying it “the birther controversy may be contrived” shows ones support for the stupidity and a Texas two step compliance, does it not sound familiar like “far as I know, Obama is not a Moslum”?

Maybe one could say, as far as I know Birther Brainless a frothing at the mouth birther,  may not be an Imbecile or nut job?

So it seems.
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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

@ Leefeller

When speaking of outright stupidity such as the birther blather, with contrived foolery or fake trepidation by saying it “the birther controversy may be contrived” shows ones support for the stupidity and a Texas two step compliance, does it not sound familiar like “far as I know, Obama is not a Moslum”?

I have not enough on my plate. This has proven to be a diversion. Lesson learned. Tell me, do you really think BHO has the virtue and intelligence to put together an administration that will be honest and forthright- that will actually pull the country out of this great depression. Would your really vote for him in 2012 given his performance so far?

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By Leefeller, August 6, 2009 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

When speaking of outright stupidity such as the birther blather, with contrived foolery or fake trepidation by saying it “the birther controversy may be contrived” shows ones support for the stupidity and a Texas two step compliance, does it not sound familiar like “far as I know, Obama is not a Moslum”?

Maybe one could say, as far as I know Birther Brainless a frothing at the mouth birther,  may not be an Imbecile or nut job?

So it seems.

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

@ITW

It HAS been produced—go over to Huff-po and download a copy.  Or do you think YOU should be handed the ORIGINAL copy for you to personally study?

I have been to all the websites that show the short form. I think this thing is a waste of time. BHO has plenty of other material on him that shows that he is puppet of Wall Street. I don’t care anymore about the BC.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 6, 2009 at 4:58 am Link to this comment

Paracelsus, August 6 at 4:09 am #

Uh ... yeh. The detailed information on the original birth record which is stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed ... which is then reproduced on the “short form” or copy ... Duh.

Yep! So why can’t it be produced? (LFBC) Duh.
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It HAS been produced—go over to Huff-po and download a copy.  Or do you think YOU should be handed the ORIGINAL copy for you to personally study?

You are as bad as the Swift-boaters (who, of course, it turns out, are behind this birth certificate scam)

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 2:20 am Link to this comment

As far as I know this whole birther controversy may be contrived. Perhaps there is a a LFBC, and the FBI has fully vetted the man. But from what I know about the bank bailouts with trillions given by the Obama administration to the big banks, I can’t help being skeptical about BHO and his cohorts. Too many of his administration have links with Goldman Sachs. The audit the Fed bill in the House remains bottled up in a committee headed up by Barney Frank. My mistrust of federal government is global, and I have no party loyalty. My mistrust is so deep that it is possible for me to speculate that Obama is not a citizen. Again this whole BC business is probably a way to raise money for the Repubs. But I don’t think anybody who would doubt OBH’s origins is necessarily stupid, or mean spirited. OBH has been given wide left wing cover to continue the U.S. police state and the wars in Asia and Arabia. In depth I don’t trust Obama and co. as much I didn’t Bush and co.

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By Paracelsus, August 6, 2009 at 1:09 am Link to this comment

Uh ... yeh. The detailed information on the original birth record which is stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed ... which is then reproduced on the “short form” or copy ... Duh.

Yep! So why can’t it be produced? (LFBC) Duh.

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By Louise, August 5, 2009 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus,

“The long form birth certificate is the one with all the detailed information on it.”

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Uh ... yeh. The detailed information on the original birth record which is stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed ... which is then reproduced on the “short form” or copy ... Duh.

The long form is a copy of the actual, original birth record.

The short form is a document that certifies the existence of the “long form” and is given a title such as “Certification of Birth”, “Certification of Live Birth”, or “Certificate of Birth Registration”.
One of the bones of contention the bonehead birthers fixate on, because they think a Birth Certificate shouldn’t say Certification of Live Birth. Which when you think about it is pretty funny since the word certificate or certification simply means it certifies the existance of a document. In this case, recording a Live Birth.

The U.S. National Center for Health Statistics creates standard forms that are recommended for use by the individual states to document births.

However, states are free to create their own forms. (A states rights thing.) These “forms” are completed by the attendant at birth or a hospital administrator, which are then forwarded to a local or state registrar, who stores the record and issues “certified” copies when requested.

That simple process defies the understanding of the birthers, no doubt because almost everything defies right-wing conservative understanding.

If you really, really want to see the “long form” you can fly to Hawaii and go fish for it, as in micro, but you better hurry! A lot of states have begun to use Electronic Birth Registration systems, proving right-wing fruitcakes aren’t the only ones who lack the ability to comprehend reality. It might be great for folks who know how to swim around in cyberspace, but could be a real disastor if the system fails. Oh well.

By the way some think a birth certificate, long or short, has little legal value, so maybe you need to find the Doctor, or the attending Nurse, or the bloody sheets.

Or the baby!

Oh my, another duh!

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By BruSays, August 5, 2009 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment

Mostly to OCJim and NC-Tom….

Interesting points on whether citizens of other countries argue over trumped up, baseless propoganda and whether we should ignore the crap or engage in countering it.

The big problem is not the crap the Republicans dump out (and usually, the extreme right-wing likes of Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter, etc.). The big issue is that our Corporate News Media bends down, picks up that crap and throws it at us - not because it’s relevant and not because it’s responsible journalism. They throw it out there because they know CRAP SELLS! The more they can gin up the news, the more emotionally-charged the subject, the more they can sell it. Really, it’s that simple. We have to always keep in the mind that Corporate News Media is not in the business of informing; they’re in the business of selling toothpaste, cars and Viagra. And nothing ups the viewership numbers like good old-fashion scandals. And nobody pulls scandals out of thin air better than the Republican slugs.

So, our challenge goes beyond countering lies with truth. That won’t work because, too often, the truth is boring! We have to re-package the truth in much the way the Republi-can’ts package lies. Keep the message short and simple, use emotionally-charged words and catch-phrases and don’t be afraid to insult. And don’t be afraid to rub their noses in the same crap they dumped! THIS is what makes the 10:00 o’clock news.

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By Paracelsus, August 5, 2009 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

I am going to get used to the fact that Obama supporters, and suckered Democrats are going to give Obama a free pass on a lot of crap just like the brain washed Republicans did with Bush. For 8 years Bush did every kind of butchering to the constitution, and mainstream conservatives did not raise a stink about it. I am going to wait to see how this BC scam works out. Most will probably go along with, and a few will call pacific dissenters such as myself dangerous. I have emphasized for a long time that we have agenda driven government, and it does not matter who is in office, therefore I reserve the right to verbally attack every officeholder in the executive branch, because the main problem is bad government.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 5, 2009 at 6:27 pm Link to this comment

On the other hand, when genuine garbage “evidence” is produced, as in the 9/11-anthrax public relations homicide, truthers are ridiculed as nutjobs.  By Progressive leaders and media.
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Fixed it for you, FT.

You’re just sore because the Right-Wing-Nut cases are getting all the ink with their stupid birther nonsense and all you Left-Wing-Nut cases are being given the cold shoulder with YOUR nonsense.

The RWNs have ALWAYS been better at getting attention than the LWNs.  You need a better issue, something new with some pizazz and punch.

Take a lesson from the RWNs, all you LWNs like FT: When one crack-pot idea finally goes stale (Like John Kerry NOT being a war hero), get a new one!  You’re still stuck on 9-11 and the RWNs are having a WHALE of a good time with Obama’s birth certificate.

You never f’in’ learn, generation after generation.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 5, 2009 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, August 4 at 3:44 pm #

It seems to me that the Birther business is a good way to distract the Republican rank and file from more relevant and practical issues.  It will use up a lot of energy, cause controversy and conflict among the faithful, and come to nothing but embarrassment and disrepute for its adherents in the end.  Therefore, my conspiracy theory is that the Democrats are behind it.
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Y’know, you just may be on to something.  But these idiots are starting to get violent.  One Dem Congressman is claiming another was assaulted by these right-wing-nut lunatics.

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By Shenonymous, August 5, 2009 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

The only ones having apoplexy about the f’n birth certificate are the ones who have a smelly gas problem in the space where a brain is supposed to be.  It is like watching someone perpetually skidding on dogshit.  Get a grip people.

These mini conspiracy theories, a la the-distraction-by-Democrats theory, the-fire-up-the-base theory, the-Obama-gets-a-pass-theory, the endless useless theories are a hoot and almost as “biazrre” as the friggin birthers.  It is a sad day for TDers when they have nothing better to focus on than a pathetic and really moot subject like Obama’s birth certificate.  It is a fait accompli, he is the president so go choke on it.  I’ll be seeing ya elsewhere….maybe.

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By dgswilson, August 5, 2009 at 5:05 pm Link to this comment

“...is a fascinating indicator of just how far the Republican Party has drifted from the mainstream.”

I see as an interesting example demonstrating the non substantive qualities of belief. Most people don’t believe based on evidence. It isn’t a party/camp thing. It’s a brain thing. When a person “wants” to believe something, everything they here in favor of that something sounds true. If they don’t want to believe - no amount of evidence is sufficient.

If we pay attention we’ll see it in others. If we’re deeply serious we can spot it in ourselves.

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By glider, August 5, 2009 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus,

Keep up with the Red Herrings and don’t answer whether you have any probable cause for you beliefs. If you do, go to go to the appropriate authorities and express your concern, and don’t push allegations as fact to raise money from idiots.

I can do Red Herrings to.  How about this: “Let me get this straight” it is OK for Bush to cherry pick and fabricate information from the CIA, propagandize the American people that Iraq has WMD, is aiding Al Queda, and then start an war killing hundreds of thousands of people base on a proven lie.  But that does not concern these people, not a peep regarding that fact, no I just want to see Obamas LFBC whether I have a right to or not.  Obama has gone through all the official requirements to be POTUS.  He has no requirement to cater to your baseless false outrage.

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By Paracelsus, August 5, 2009 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

Let me get this straight. If it is certificate of stock involving GW then it is a great concern. (I won’t argue that, because I agree it is a great concern with GW and Harken). But if it involves a certificate of birth(BHO) that may have been phonied up,then anybody who would be concerned about it is mentally ill. I declare that I am political atheist. And I think those who would defend Obama are thoroughly indoctrinated.

I suppose you could inform on me to Obama:

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

What I don’t understand is that things we were rightfully indignant about under GW Putsch get a free pass under BHO.

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By glider, August 5, 2009 at 3:43 pm Link to this comment

Sweet new DNC advertisement taking advantage of the nut jobs and RNC in their well deserved place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/04/dnc-goes-all-in-takes-on_n_251438.html

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By SteveL, August 5, 2009 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

Look at as a shinny object on a string that these types like to stare at.  Just keep out of their way so they don’t do any real damage.

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By phreedom, August 5, 2009 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

Part 1 of 2(been a bit long winded lately)

Hello Eugene,

Well, oddly, I think of the effort & resources that can go into creating a “simulacrum”,(of a known fact or a truth) to the extent to which action is taken and consequences are experienced sufficiently, somehow, to turn the fact or truth on its’ head. An effort to reify, “vaporist propaganda” into a solid event, a material thing or substance,
is like the odds against winning the lottery, but the prize is so hugely monumental and enormously sensational that a “delusional certainty” grips completely the roller, so that they are convinced they will be the winner. This madness pervades all senses of the self-deceiver, so in their mind no chance is being taken at all, and all that is left to do is collect the winnings.

These people are drunk on the prize they seek, a prize that dwarfs the chances their party will ever gain a respectable footing again, legitimately. They probably believe its the biggest gamble in history, with potentially the greatest rewards
ever known.

Embarrassingly, we peek into that secret part of our mind, which has been unpleasantly stirred up, since the most impossible outcome appears to have been put into play, and we seethingly turn the humiliation we habor for ourselves into hate towards these
houligans, because we cannot avoid the creeping knowledge that we share a profound distrust & disappointment for our government. We say, “how dare these crazy people mix my righteous paranoia up with their unjustified demands to warp reality”. 

Maybe its a residual paranoia that we progressives have built up that allows these right wing zealots tinker with our form of insanity. America is a nuthouse Eugene, the only way to differentiate the non dangerous nutjobs from the not so dangerous nutjobs is by determining who is speaking to a pooka and who is speaking to another human being. These people get their marching orders from lobbyists disguised as pookas.

(continued in part 2)

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By phreedom, August 5, 2009 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Part 2 of 2(I’m done)

The action/behavior of these “birthers” is so overwhelmingly bizarre, and their goal is so fiendishly grotesque, that I think what is being missed here, is a general acknowledgment, that the orchestration and staging of scenes or events in order to achieve goals that are unjust, undemocratic and violate all sensibilities, well, this tradition is firmly entrenched in our culture, and must be uprooted all around.

What might be interesting, is to keep this alive long after the “birther” effort fails, and has turned to bite the fools, so to keep our outrage and curiosity focused on how this tactic, in more milder and obscure forms has been used by the right wing on local levels, against common citizens, on neighborhood levels.

For instance, I think there is this kind of orchestration & staging going on in terms of how community and neighborhood groups collude with local police to purge their blocks and/or neighborhoods of people they simply do not like, disagree with,
or who, in their narrow perspective, seem suspicious. Fostering outcomes that have very little to with crime prevention, and more to do with a system of pandering to a very few personal preferences to beef up crime watch membership.
I think this is symptomatic of how the lobbyist and the birthers are related.  Getting put on local police radar in this manner is not unlike claiming President Obama is a foreigner.

Its seems absurd, being on police radar when you
should not be, but the fact that you should not be, may not be enough, for you to avoid suffering as a “bad guy”. Relationships that seem like they are magical(made up, irrational or illogical) allow for the absurdity of it to disguise real material goals/consequences that are sought after in delirious earnestness.

We should take the absurdity of the “birthers” very seriously, the process toward their goal is poisonous, and the goal they seek is a product of pure treachery.

Thanks for your piece,

Rhuen Phreed
11 Marlborough Street
Boston, MA

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By glider, August 5, 2009 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

I want to try an make a larger point here.  A bit of speculation but it is at least “reasonable”.  I think it is likely that the birther movement originated as a way to fire up the base to raise funds.

I have a letter somewhere addressed to my late conservative father.  Months after the election some group was soliciting funds to start proceedings against Obama for his role in domestic terrorism using a bunch of crazy Bill Ayers extrapolations.  These types are also taking Obama’s remark on needing to save money on unnecessary medical procedures and extrapolating it into a hidden agenda to kill old people (the “pain pill” reference).  No doubt the birther arguments are similarly made and exploited to raise money.

So when you raise money this way you cultivate gullibility and low mentality within the base.  The GOP can raise money this way if they want but do so at their own risk.  Now they have to pay the piper.  Because when this base of robots they extracted money from goes vocal it makes the Republicans look very bad to the independents out there who are rightfully turned off, and may just kill their chances in the next election.  I hope that is the case as it serves them right for employing these sleazy tactics.

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By Leefeller, August 5, 2009 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

Here! Here Anarcissie, distractions do seem constant.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 5, 2009 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment

This is an artificial effort to muddy the waters and induce doubt into the presidency. Even while he continues to carry out the dictates of the ruling class to line their pockets, increase their power over us and to make them immune from the laws made originally for all of us.

For every person that is a paid agent of them there are many who truthfully believe in it and will pay their own money to join those rallies, carry those signs and interrupt those town meetings. A phenomenon of and echo effect in human behavior related to the herding action and group think. A Ghost in the Shell where the action is done without the central core meme there to drive it.

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By StuartH, August 5, 2009 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

Man, screw the birthers.  So stupid.  Some people apparently have too much time on their hands and can’t think of anything to do. 

From a White House press release today:

“The White House released the names dozens of new battery and electric drive projects that will receive funding under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The program will invest almost two and half billion dollars to develop better, more efficient technology for electric vehicles and other uses. The recipients were selected through a process managed by the Department of Energy with the goal of accelerating the manufacturing capacity for batteries, electric cars, and related devices made ‘right here in the USA.”

This is a way better use of time.  You may have read the report that came out the other day in which international experts on how much oil there is in the world’s total supply updated the assessment that the mid point in the usage curve is pretty close.  The price of oil will probably go back up sometime in the near future. 

Moving towards renewable technologies and away from dependency on foreign oil will be much more pressing business as time goes on.  Now, as a way to combine economic stimulus to address the recession through preparing for a green economy in the future, it is a good way to set sail in the right direction.

I worked for Obama’s election and am glad I did.  He is the intelligent and thoughtful President we need - and have needed for a long time.

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By glider, August 5, 2009 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

Yeah the best defense in an offense right?  I answer some of your points below.  Again answer in light of what we know, how this is a reasonable accusation, considering his current “short form” BC, McCain and all other political challengers never discovering a lack of BC, the newspaper reports, the statements of officials, and no proof of immigration by the right wing opponents.

“I have no curiosity about GW’s birth. I don’t know why you want such a strict congruency between GW and Obama. What’s the point?”

I said any president.  No president to my knowledge has been held to this standard (publishing a LFBC at the demand of political opponents).  That is the point.  I can’t help you with why you care about non issues related to Bush.  This seems to be your penchant.  I was more concerned with Bushes policies than making up distracting bullshit because of them.

“It is never about holding people accountable to constitutional government.”

You are going off on an tangent here so you don’t need to explain why your allegations are reasonable.  I understand the strategy since you and these nuts are being completely unreasonable.  Prove that Obama has not satisfied this requirement.  He constitutionally needs to be a citizen.  The constitution does not say he needs to “publish the long form of his birth certificate on the internet ad naseum until Paracelus becomes a believer”.

“A businessman named Jason Hommel is offering $100,000 to anyone who can prove that BHO is a constitutional citizen qualified to be president of the USA. Come on lucky citizen. Come forward and put donkey ears on the “birther” movement” 

That is a nice rhetorical catch-22 since no one other than Obama can request or present a copy.  Frankly, if the money was put in the hands of a reliable intermediate and not a “birther” I might (if I was Obama) take them up on it and donate the proceedings to charity.  But Obama is politically too smart to fall for this disingenuous trap, and is smarter to use it to highlight the extremist nature of the GOP base.

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By Charlene, August 5, 2009 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment
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Even if it were true (& I wonder because it could be true despite all the naysaying going on all over), no one will remove Obama from the Presidency.
Period.
No one removed Bush/Cheney when it was proven they lied about WMD in Iraq, obviously ignored warnings re 911 (at the very least-treason), & broke the laws of our country by spying on us all & torturing prisoners, causing the financial collapse of the nation, & almost the entire world, & creating the housing bubble on purpose—etc., etc., etc..
No one removed Bush/Cheney for their creating a phony win in the 2000 & 2004 presidential elections.
So-it’s a moot point.
If it is not true, then Republicans began this lie to hurt Obama because they are too cheap & selfish to pass health care for all.
Everyone stop talking about it.

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By Paracelsus, August 5, 2009 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment

@ StuartH

It is possible to get the long form and the short form birth certificate. A copy of the original live bith document is made and then a state seal is embossed upon it for the long form BC. So of course it would be stupid to give away the original document when a certified copy can be made. I think you are trying to make some sort of straw man argument in some murky illogical way. The long form costs more money in many cases, but the short form serves just as well for ID with government agencies. Still it is best to have the long form for formal genealogical research.

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By Paracelsus, August 5, 2009 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

Paracelsus,
Can you list for us how many other presidents you have seen the long form birth certificate for? or any president for that matter? Do you have a link to a previous post of yours demanding to see George Bushes?

I was more curious about Bush’s drug taking habits, and his funding of an abortion for a girlfriend. I also had issues with his holdings of Harken Energy being sold to some sheik amid allegations of improper trading. I was bothered by the sudden death of the author of Fortunate Son. I remember how the media excoriated anybody who was curious about GW snorting cocaine. I have no curiosity about GW’s birth. I don’t know why you want such a strict congruency between GW and Obama. What’s the point?

The problem with the “birthers” is that they are completely disingenuous and their charges make no sense.  It is wise for the Obama team to just let this fringe element continue to make fools of themselves, point out publically their unreasonableness and devious intentions, and thereby further discredit the Republican party.  The more you can paint the Repulican party as a group of extremists incapable of rational thought and even unable to let democracy work when their candidate loses the worse it will impact them in the next election.

Kind of like conservatives calling skeptics of the 2000 election results “Sore Loserman” for the attention given to a crooked election process in Florida. It is never about holding people accountable to constitutional government. We only hear name calling. Perhaps this whole BC controversy is a stratagem to discredit people skeptical of their government. Maybe at the last moment some one will pull out a long form BC actually proving BHO is a citizen. After all there is all a lot of incentive to do so. A businessman named Jason Hommel is offering $100,000 to anyone who can prove that BHO is a constitutional citizen qualified to be president of the USA. Come on lucky citizen. Come forward and put donkey ears on the “birther” movement.

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By Ivan hentschel, August 5, 2009 at 11:03 am Link to this comment
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If there were to be any event which had any more potential to distract us from the really important issues of the day, or to dissuade us from taking serious action on serious matters, it would have to be a comet or meteor striking the heart of Manhattan at rush hour on a Friday. This is monumental idiocy which wastes precious time and energy.

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By glider, August 5, 2009 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

Paracelsus,
Can you list for us how many other presidents you have seen the long form birth certificate for? or any president for that matter? Do you have a link to a previous post of yours demanding to see George Bushes?

The problem with the “birthers” is that they are completely disingenuous and their charges make no sense.  It is wise for the Obama team to just let this fringe element continue to make fools of themselves, point out publically their unreasonableness and devious intentions, and thereby further discredit the Republican party.  The more you can paint the Repulican party as a group of extremists incapable of rational thought and even unable to let democracy work when their candidate loses the worse it will impact them in the next election.

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By StuartH, August 5, 2009 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

Does anyone stop to think anymore before holding forth?

If you ask the vital records keepers for the original birth certificate - you will no longer be able to get a copy of it when you need it. 

When you lose you social security card, and for some other reasons, you need to present a birth certificate.  However, what the county entity that keeps those records issues is a certified copy.  If it is just a zerox, it won’t serve the purpose.

The originals were in various formats, depending on who at the hospital where the birth took place or at the county courthouse designed it.  Some have cute little foot prints, some don’t.  Now, the issuers are sending out forms that exclude some of the information from the original due to caution over identity theft.

The thing is, if state officials actually comment on a birth to verify the record, that should be that.

This is a totally stupid controversy and a waste of time by people who don’t bother to find out about the most common file keeping methods.  These people don’t want facts.  They just want to keep shouting.  Enough.

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By Paracelsus, August 5, 2009 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

what is the “long form birth certificate”? Is that the archived documentation one searches that gives a reference to the, uh ... Birth Certificate? Or is that the hospital record archive that gives reference to the ... hmm, Birth Certificate?

In either case, the Birth Certificate can be seen here: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Bi rth_Certificate.jpg and the birthers are addressed here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
and here: http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_b irth_certificate.htm

The long form birth certificate is the one with all the detailed information on it. What you gave reference to is the short form certificate. Whenever anybody asks for the long form, the media and the Democratic establishment always links you the short form that you just referred me to. Where’s the long form birth certificate?

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By Shenonymous, August 5, 2009 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

If people, uh, children, were taught to think for themselves, to think critically (meaning to stop and consider the truth of what they hear and to see beyond immediate perception as a habit) and not be indoctrinated by some peculiar and singular ancient tribal theological supernaturalism, scientific method would not have to come to the rescue.  Nuttiness would be reduced to a minimum and more people would recognize it for what it is and both laugh at it and send it to where the sun don’t shine.  It is too late to get parents of non-thinkers to take that responsibility since they do not have that skill themselves.  Enlightenment is only for the few who are ready for it.  So it is up to secular, that is, public, school to be charged with that duty, religion free.

There is a good reason public school is kept free of religion, of any persuasion, at least in this country.  No one religion, or non-religious thought (atheism, Buddhism, etc.), represents a homogenous American system of beliefs.  Even those major religions have their factionalist character:  Protestants have hundreds of sects and factions within their factions, Catholicism has their orthodox and modernists called Old Catholics and Independents, Jews have orthodox, secular, and messianic, Muslims are not unified behind militarist Islamic beliefs, it would be silly to get into how many different kinds of Muslims there are (they are sort of like the Protestants).  It is ridiculous to theorize a particular view of deity or reality.  Yet each of the various religions have hard and fixed beliefs, and no criticism is allowed.  Or if there is, that group must split off and a schism occurs.  Teaching about humanity and the universe using a scientific base always allows modification as new information is discovered.  That is the beauty of the “objectivity” of science, it is an open door. It allows the human mind to flourish and not stagnate (in small rooms behind closed doors) at the primitive affective level. 

BTW: The Secret Service has BO’s birth certificate.  Do contact them directly about it.  Anarcissie had the cleverest comment on the forum last evening.

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By Louise, August 5, 2009 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

OK, I’ll allow “birthers” are not simply racists.

I’ll ignore all the crap that comes into my in-box that proves otherwise. I’ll even agree most heartily they are dangerous. I like the example Samson gave.

I use to hear the adults in my life ask, “How on earth did the German people allow this to happen?” I often remember comments made by those same adults, following the discovery of the “concentration” camps. Most of those adults are dead now. Most of their children are dead now. Few of us are still around who can remember. Remember the uncomfortable reality of a whole population brainwashed into following their quite mad leader into self-destruction.

But thinking back, I can also remember a “patriotic” fervor that led those adults to believe “only in America” were the people smart enough to recognise a dishonest, corrupt and evil leader when he/she came along. But they were wrong. Evil like the common cold will never go away. And evil particularly likes to settle in the neighborhood where foolish people think they’re too smart to let evil in their door.

Unfortunately, we daily see people demonstrate how willingly they let evil in their door. The fruitcakes who scream show me the Birth Certificate are only a reflection of their selected leaders dishonesty, corruption and evil. Oh and did I mention stupidity?

Watch them, particularly the “them” who call themselves “conservative” and marvel at their stupidity! Then ask yourself, “How can people support such incredibly stupid politicians?” Obviously they have to be as stupid as the politicians they support! And there-in is a clue.

Republican policy is written on a piece of paper. But the other policy, the one that actually guides the decision making process isn’t written down, it’s just believed and acted on. And that policy says that voters never pay attention, cant remember anything for more than a few weeks, will believe anything they are told, and follow any orders they are given. And that policy favors targeting deeply committed “Christians” because deeply committed Christians are generationally conditioned to “believe anything they are told, and follow any orders they are given.”

And what’s that got to do with racism? Simply put, it worked well enough to convince millions to die for the South in the Civil War. And their descendants, still smarting from the injustice of being forced to share their whatever with the “others” are still mad enough to keep on fighting that war.

But the good news is, not everybody is that stupid! In fact recent polling data indicates they, the voters are catching on. They are beginning to understand their “conservative” reps and Senators think they are too stupid to question anything, and they don’t like it, because most of them aren’t!

So maybe the best way to deal with the idiots is to just let them continue making fools of themselves. At some point in time, (sooner rather than later, I hope) embarrassment, and anger will lead the smart, even in the conservative ranks to demand the stupid just SHUT UP! And if they don’t, the march to the voting booth will put them out of office. Nobody likes to have to defend an obvious stupid statement from their rep or Senator. At least nobody who’s tired of being labeled stupid!

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By Louise, August 5, 2009 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

Paracelsus,

what is the “long form birth certificate”? Is that the archived documentation one searches that gives a reference to the, uh ... Birth Certificate? Or is that the hospital record archive that gives reference to the ... hmm, Birth Certificate?

In either case, the Birth Certificate can be seen here: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg and the birthers are addressed here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
and here: http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_birth_certificate.htm

“Description: Email rumor
Circulating since: June 2008
Status: False

And recognizing that they, the birthers will still insist against all evidence they are right, I can only repeat, stupid. And we all know someone who, no matter what, will deny fact rather than admit a mistake in judgement. Stupid. That after all is just one more thing the so-called conservatives count on to perpetuate their control. Just as the “conservative” Hitler did.

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By Leefeller, August 5, 2009 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

Plato’s Cave comes to mind, seems my favorite analogy dove tails very nicely with this and many other situations of what people believe is their reality.

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By StuartH, August 5, 2009 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

I agree that this is extreme nuttiness.  However, there are some deeper concerns in this that can’t be passed off lightly.

It should be remembered that Timothy McVeigh came from this element, unhappy with the way the majority of Americans were going. 

The recent appointments by Governor Perry to the Texas State School Board of 7 out of 15 (plus the chair) who are activist creationists is something to take seriously.  The evangelical right wing Christians are not happy that the Constitutional framers did not give them special status as a state religion and want to re-envision the foundation of American government.  There is a move afoot to re write high school history and civics textbooks to lay a foundation for the case that the Founding Fathers did intend to enshrine them.  They are pushing for science textbooks to be re-written to reflect a creationist view.

This is because they have come to not only believe in God, but that they speak uniquely for God and have an authority to do so that no one else dares to claim. 

To get their way, they reject Christ’s progressive social philosophy in favor of radical means to their end, ignoring and having no concern for consequences for others in the process.  The gun has become a symbol equal to the cross. If given power, it would not be long before they enacted an Inquisition in order to push society back to their vision of righteousness. 

These people are dangerous because they do not believe in the wisdom of the public and the long term process of building coalitions around practical policiesin order to win elections.  They have no patience for the intellectual skill needed to embrace modern complexity.  They do not learn when presented with facts. Their religious perspective prevents this.  They already have received wisdom.

largely, this was contained under the Reagan and then succeeding Bush administrations by virtue of Republican leadership that was skilled and pragmatic.  The 8 years of Bush emboldened these people and it frustrated them at the same time.  They feel they should have their due now.

The Republican Party will probably become embroiled in a power struggle between pragmatists and zealots.  The zealots could win that, whether in 4, 8, 16 or more years.  They will persist.

The problem is that there is enough small town angst across America, and because of a long term lowering of educational standards, enough ignorant adults who believe in their own anger, that someone like Sarah Palin might just look like an outstanding intellect and a leader in that context.

This bears watching and there should be a great attempt made to push public education in all possible forms for the long term.

We could be really sorry we didn’t pay enough attention.

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By Folktruther, August 5, 2009 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

I am one of the 30% of the people who don’t know where Obama was born.  And I don’t care.  It doesn’t matter where he was born if he was elected by the people. the law is absurd.  there is nothing nutjob to not know where Obama was born and not care enough to investigate the matter.

But of course this isn’t the reason that the Gops are de-legitimating Obama the same way they did Clinton, and the Gops largely control the mass media because the ruling class is largely Gop.  They can repeat any Big Truth as much as they like and eventaully everyone will have to take it seriously, as Robinson does.

That is the way that US is now ruled, through media Big Truths.  Like Nazi Germany.  A month ago their was a landslide election in Iran, which traditionally has counted the votes honestly, putting in an anti-imperialist candidate, and the American power structure got this accepted as the Iran Stolen Election.

there has been a civil war in Sudan for a half century, but when oil was discovered to became the Darfur Genicide.  Despite the UN stating that no genicide existed despite the carnage.

And of course there was the US sec of state standing up on his hind legs at the US fabricating the Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction.

On the other hand, when genuine evidence is produced, as in the 9/11-anthrax public relations homicide, truthers are ridiculed as nutjobs.  By Progressive leaders and media.

the simple truth of the matter is that America is now being ruled by what psychologists are beginning to call GASLIGHTING, named for a movie where a man tries to drive his wife crazy but lying about reality.  the latest book by the pscyhologist STATE OF CONFUSION-PLITICAL MANIPULATION AND THE ASSAULT ON THE AMERCAIN MIND consideres this a Gop strategy.

No, it is a bipartisan strategy. It is part of the fraudulent War On Terrorism.  the Gops make up outragious lies and the Dems legitimate those useful to the ruling class.  The Dems delude by evasion and diverting attention away from the central question.  The first victim of every war is truth, and the American sense of reality is systematically and intenitionally distorted to impose a militarized police state in the US that changes the traditional form of US governance.  And people are afraid to recognize what is before their eyes, saying so putting them in the class of Nutjobs.

the US is the first truly public relations police state, where TV and modern advertising techniques have been used to distort our conceptions and preconceptions of reality.  And meanwhile the police have been militarized with SWAT teams and US combat brigades are being trained to attack the American people.  And Obama has already supported spying on the American people.

But the Dems divert attention to obvous drivel to show how relatively sane they are.  In fact, far more important deceptions are spread by the Dems to maintain the War on Terrorism, and the enormous class iequality for which it is itself a diversion.  and while the people have no control over the mass media, this type of gaslighting will continue and increase, along with the prison population and the the American people’s servility to oppressive authority.

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By Plenum, August 5, 2009 at 6:31 am Link to this comment
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Throw shit till it sticks… That’s the game plan.

Of course it’s an attempt to discredit his presidency!

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By Shenonymous, August 5, 2009 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

...and let you all sit in your basements alone where you belong. Don’t you mean niloroth, sit in the woodwork?

Let me tell you a little bit about roaches…
First of all, a group of them are called an “intrusion.”
The middle part of the intestine where the cockroach absorbs nutrients is called the midgut.

Cockroaches not only have a colon, but a rectum, too! Hooray! Special glands in the rectum reabsorb water used during digestion, leaving behind excrement (poop). 

Then the one fact about roaches I like the best: A cockroach has a heart shaped like a tube. Its heart can even stop without the cockroach dying.

Xombie Roaches!  They also think they know the trooth. 

The cockroach brain is spread throughout its body. The head holds a bit of a nervous system, while the rest of the brain is scattered along the ventral (belly-side) part of its body. So, now you understand that if you cut off the head of a roach, it will still live for as long as one week (how about a politician roach?  they live interminably); eventually dying from starvation or thirst.  Well, now we know how to get rid o’them.

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By bogi666, August 5, 2009 at 5:08 am Link to this comment

The “birthers” are indeed insane. They are 2nd or 10th rate psychos though. If I want to study psycho’s I go for the first rate psycho’s, Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler now they were first rate psycho’s but the 10th rate birther psycho’s provide a far more revealing truth about today’s NUT CASES, that they are more gullible, ignorant,dangerous and stupid because they are played by 10th rate psycho’s, Beck, Hannity, Dobbs, all 10th rate psycho’s who can’t hold a candle to the 1st rate NAZI psycho’s of the 20’s and 30’s. What’s disturbing is that Americans intellectual capacity has deteriorated to the point where the obviously clinically insane like Beck[manic, depressive]can influence his audience. The 1st rate psycho’s did not display their insanity in public.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 5, 2009 at 4:57 am Link to this comment

Paracelsus, August 5 at 3:47 am #

He has a passport, and was vetted to be president of the USA, you don’t need to see shit.  You need to come up with a good reason to doubt it, and bitching about the long form is not good enough, especially when it has been sourced by factcheck and WND.

Then have factcheck show us the long form Birth certificate. Have WND show us the the long form BC. Then show it.No name name calling. No BS. If you know it is there, give a link.
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You can’t google it? It’s out there, on-line. The Hawaiian officials have testified that it’s genuine, that the President was born on Oahu.  There’s been more evidence presented that Barack Obama was born in the US than there is for John McCain (born in the Panama Canal Zone), Bush, Clinton, Daddy Bush, Reagan, Carter,...etc.  Abe Lincoln couldn’t produce 1/20 as much evidence he was born in the US than Obama has.

It’s nothing but a C.O.P. racist lie to try to destroy the President’s ability to govern.  Tom Clancy laid out a similar effort in “Executive Orders”.  It’s groundless, but is kept alive SOLELY to hurt Obaman.
(C.O.P.—replaces GOP—Caucasian Only Party)

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By Paracelsus, August 5, 2009 at 12:47 am Link to this comment

He has a passport, and was vetted to be president of the USA, you don’t need to see shit.  You need to come up with a good reason to doubt it, and bitching about the long form is not good enough, especially when it has been sourced by factcheck and WND.

Then have factcheck show us the long form Birth certificate. Have WND show us the the long form BC. Then show it.No name name calling. No BS. If you know it is there, give a link.

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By niloroth, August 4, 2009 at 10:52 pm Link to this comment

“All I want to see is the long form birth certificate.”
He has a passport, and was vetted to be president of the USA, you don’t need to see shit.  You need to come up with a good reason to doubt it, and bitching about the long form is not good enough, especially when it has been sourced by factcheck and WND. (although WND denies it now a days.
“It was the same with 9-11. All I wanted to see was the steel from the towers tested before it got shipped off to China.”
Yeah, same as all the rest of the 9/11 truth idiots, no clue about the fresh kills site.

“It was the same with Kennedy, and my predecessors. All they wanted to see was the intact brain of JFK before it got disposed and mutilated.”
Oh, wow, you are a full on CTer aren’t you?

“Someday this name calling over asking simple questions has to stop, because it only perpetuates a closed, dictatorial system.”

No, some day, the media will stop pandering to the insane among us, and let you all sit in your basements alone where you belong.

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By Paracelsus, August 4, 2009 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

All I want to see is the long form birth certificate. It was the same with 9-11. All I wanted to see was the steel from the towers tested before it got shipped off to China. It was the same with Kennedy, and my predecessors. All they wanted to see was the intact brain of JFK before it got disposed and mutilated. Someday this name calling over asking simple questions has to stop, because it only perpetuates a closed, dictatorial system.

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By Samson, August 4, 2009 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

To BlueEagle ....

What the left and the right need to understand is that the view is the same from both directions.

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By Samson, August 4, 2009 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

Went back to my own blog (.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)) and read something I’d written this morning.
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Meanwhile, my eclectic reading tastes took me somewhere else already today. I read a lot of history, and I had a history of WWII sitting in my bathroom. I’d already read it, but I was bored and picked it up to a random page today.

  “Kurt Meyer of 12 SS Panzer Division became the youngest divisional commander in the German army at the age of thirty three. He was the perfect product of Nazi fanaticism. Tall, handsome, with penetrating blue eyes, he knew only what Hitler had told him, and believed it all. He was prepared to die for his faith in National Socialism and he was utterly ruthless in forcing others to die for it as well. Tried as a war criminal for inciting his troops to murder Canadian prisoners-of-war, he was sentenced to life imprisonment. In such a man, the Nazi virus will always live. It has become part of his lifeblood.”

“Defeat in the West” by Milton Shulman. (The book is from 1947, and is one of several books published by allied officers who interviewed Nazi generals in prison camps after the war).

When I read that, I wondered how many Americans fit that description today. They know only what Fox News, Republicans and the Pentagon tell them. They believe it all.

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By Samson, August 4, 2009 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

To Jonr’s three things needed for a successful army.

#1 ... imaginary threats are better.  If the threats are real, then the politician actually has to do something about them once in office.

#2 ... sacrifices are of course better when they are real.  Its easy to have supporters who make imaginary sacrifices.

#3 ... remember, a lot of Americans believed that Elvis wasn’t dead.  Willigness to believe stupid things is not something we lack in America.  Decide for yourself whether or not this is connected to a 40 year long assault on the public education system by the conservatives.

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By Samson, August 4, 2009 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

It is a large mistake to assume these people are harmless.  When you have about 25% of your populace as insane, violent and out of touch fascists, then they definitely aren’t harmless.

I was out on the streets as an anti-war protester at the start of the Iraq war.  I’ve had death threats yelled at me.  I’ve had right-wingers on the net threaten to take guns to rallies I planned to attend and shoot all the protesters.  I’ve had bottles thrown from cars sail past me.  One anti-war protester in Atlanta had their house burned down because they’d put an anti-war sign on the front porch.  The sign was on the front porch because a previous anti-war sign in the front yard had been burned.

I grew up in the south 50 years ago when the echoes of the old Ku Klux Klan still echoed.  Not a bunch of nuts in sheets, but the old Klan where the right wing nuts ruled the south with violence, and any who dared challenge them was bombed, beaten, attacked, raped or killed.

I know there’s a dirty, nasty violent side to American history that isn’t really talked about much. I know that when I see that 25% of the populace seems violently intolerant and insane and seems to refuse to accept rule in a democracy by any but their own candidates, that this is very dangerous.  Such minorities have ruled countries, violently and badly, before.  Civil wars are born of such.  Spain in the 30’s comes to mind.

I know there’s a reason why I feel safer living in a city.  I don’t care what the crime rate is.  Some people I don’t want as neighbors.

What’s contradictory is that if we want to live in peace, then we must stand up to these violent and insane people and tell them that their warped vision of a violent bloody America is not our vision.  And that if they don’t like the idea of a peaceful, tolerant America, well, then they can just leave and go somewhere else.

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By Samson, August 4, 2009 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

“Doctor Strangelove, Or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb” isn’t true?  I’m shocked.  Although that does explain the odd inconsistency in that the world wasn’t blown up in my childhood.  Or maybe it was?

It might not be true, but its still the one film I’d show an alien to try to explain the madness of the age.  And to understand today, you have to understand that the people in charge today would say that this earlier age wasn’t mad at all.

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By Big B, August 4, 2009 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment

I am surprised no one has recalled that old political axiom that was used by LBJ in a Texas senate campaign. He told his chief of staff that they needed to accuse his opponent of being “a dirty pig fucker!” His advisors told him you can’t say something about him that isn’t true. LBJ told them that he knows it’s not true, he just wanted to make him deny it.

Perhaps pres Barry should recall another timeless line from “Dr Stranglove” that I think aptly describes his thus far mediocre administration, “Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here, this is the war room!”

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By BlueEagle, August 4, 2009 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

In this case “Nut Job” = informed patriot. I’m not referring to whether or not Obama was born in the USA.

I’m talking about the hope and change that has turned into despair and sadness. Obama has not brought the troops home and escalated the war in Afghanistan, the graveyard for Empires. He is now looking to move Gitmo to US soil, create a Cap & Tax system and penalize everyone with rising health care costs. He is hurting the poor with programs like Cash for Clunkers and bailing out all the bankers at the poor and savers expense. Obama and his administration are an abomination.

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By Leefeller, August 4, 2009 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

American stupidity, not ignorance is special here in the good old USA, made to order divisiveness manipulated with puppet strings for special interests and of course keeping the people divided is part of the plan, as stated by RD.

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By ocjim, August 4, 2009 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

Thank you, NC-Tom. Ignoring the birthers is no more an option than ignoring the Swiftboaters (to Kerry’s dismay and defeat), ignoring the Rove/Bush smear of Ann Richards as a lesbian in the Texas governor’s race or John McCain ignoring the robo-calls in the 2000 primary made on behalf of W in North Carolina.

Ridiculous though the birther charges are, we must recognize that they are effective and most of all that they are part of closely orchestrated neo-con think tank plans.

Either we must educate the American people or the Dems must resort to the same smear tactics. Of course, the latter would destroy us but if we don’t do the former, we’ll be destroyed anyway by the proto-fascist corporate state.

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By jonr, August 4, 2009 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment
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NC-Tom makes an excellent point.  Commitment is what’s important in a movement, and who is more able to make a commitment to ANY dogma than those who believe the most strongly in that which cannot be proved.  Joseph Smith was no fool, and neither are the modern-day leaders of the Republican party.

Three things are needed to enlist a successful army: (1) a threat (real or imagined) against a real or imagined “us,” (2) an audience willing to make sacrifices, real or imagined, for what they believe in and (3) a willingness to believe.

A huge majority of us Americans are absolutely willing to make sacrifices in order to defend against real threats, and many do so every day.
But those who prey on the deeply religious go farther than that.  Like con men (and women) everywhere, they identify and prey on those who are predisposed to a “willingness to believe.”

They are predators, plain and simple.

Which is ironic, because those who enlist the most religious to their causes, whether here or in other parts of the world, are the most excellent examples of the success of the most brutal version of the same take-no-prisoners, win-at-any-cost totalitarian Darwinism they encourage their followers to reject.

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By NYCartist, August 4, 2009 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

Offended by “nut job” usage. Political extremism is not new in America, and unfortunately, neither is labeling folks in political disagreement “nuts” and
other words for mentally ill.

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By glider, August 4, 2009 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

One other point to consider for those with blinder on who don’t think this is an ideological issue and is simple racism.  Not only think about what these same nut jobs would be doing if Kucinich was POTUS, think about how they would react if Alan Keyes was POTUS.

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By glider, August 4, 2009 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

More proof that we are the best nation in the country!

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By NC-Tom, August 4, 2009 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

ocjim, I really liked your response.  I’ve decided to suspend my search this afternoon to see if other countries have a large base of idiots. 

As you so eloquently pointed out ours are manufactured by right wing think tanks and media.  In their research think tanks probably decided targeting right wing religious types as a good target audience.  Targeting a group that touts blind religious faith as a virtue is perfect.  If you can zealously believe in a god with no proof, you can easily hold any other belief with no proof. 

All they just need a strong father figure to tell them that it is so and they will believe.

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By TAO Walker, August 4, 2009 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

Seems like people here, including Eugene Robinson,  tend to choose a ‘cutoff-date’ for “....insane political phenomen(a)....” mostly according to their own particular ‘set’ of gored oxen.  From here in Indian Country it has always been (at times quite painfully) obvious that “civilization” itself is nothing but an extreme variety of rampant insanity. 

So how can it be at all surprising (here in the ‘amped-up’ CONditions prevailing in these latter days) when particularly virulent ‘pustules’ of emotionally religiossified and securely institutionalized corruption (always festering just under the thin veneer of police-forced “order”) erupt into plain view….to the real or feigned CONsternation of pundits, politicians, and general public alike.  Your politics, like the Planet Herself, has become just one more toxic waste dump into which you domesticates slaphappily excrete the symptomatic ‘products’ of your mass psychosis….all blissfully ignorant of the plain fact that you’re drowning in the cesspool of your own wretched excess, and that nothing you touch can escape CONtamination.

Even those here who seem to recognize and acknowlege the superficial ‘mechanics’ of their dire predicament almost always stop-short of tracing it to its origins in their shared captivity….and in the now “global” apparatus effecting and enforcing it.  There is not one among its several major sub-systems unaffected by the heterodyning whine of all these ‘positive-feedback-loops’ driven in ‘stress-to-destruct’ CONfigurations.  The “education” system has become a charnel house of the Human Spirit.  “Business” is a zombie jamboree CONducted by credentialed cannibals running amok.  Primitive superstitions dressed-up in “holy-writ” give impetus-to and excuse-for the WAR of each against all.  And that’s just to name a few.

Still, the order-of-the-day, from “the highest levels of government” to “the lowest common denominator,” seems to be a frantic attempt to merely mask symptoms….a mass exercise-in-FUtility more and more obviously doomed to utter failure with every passing moment.  The wells are all poisoned, and nothing good can be drawn from them.

Life Herownself has the only true Medicine for what ails homo domesticus.  She’s kept a few of us free wild natural Human Beings around just to help our tame Sisters and Brothers find their way back to The Way….if any can tear loose from the CONtraption that’s killing them.

HokaHey!

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By rollzone, August 4, 2009 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

hello. talk about biting the hand that feeds you. i try to read beyond the text of everyone sounding like gov.speak and ‘politburo wanted me to say this’, like Brave New World orchestrating itself to life. when you mention how government will kill anybody to get them out of the way, it would not surprise me in another generation to learn that Mr. president killed his grandmother to hide the truth of his citizenship. it is a non issue. he was elected. he will have to work harder than ACORN next time to not be a one term-er.

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By freedom loving american, August 4, 2009 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

Since the nutjobs own and control everything in the US (I wonder what that makes the rest of us) the MSM is always on their side.  They can make up any ridiculous lie or half-truth they want and they say this story simply will not go away, as if by magic it keeps appearing the news they script, edit, own, and sponsor. 
You must remember this is the same media that sells us fat, grease, and sugar, as food then sells them diet pills and tells them it is not our fault we are fat it is simply they have fat genes.
We all must remember the republican ruling class giving the nutjobs their orders aren’t humans like you and me.  They care nothing about our country, freedom, liberty, and justice.  They care only about money, using people as pawns, and power. They are thieving, crave, scum, that should be tried and hung for all the murders, rapes, and robberies they have committed.  They would sell their grandmothers if their stock went up/down (whichever way they leverage) 5¢.

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By ChaoticGood, August 4, 2009 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

Ladies and gentlemen,
Step right up and for 10 cents, only 1/10th of a dollar, you can see the lion-headed boy and the wolf-girl. You can marvel at the “birthers” and watch the “tea party” people rant. Also don’t forget to visit the Michael Jackson conspiracy table.You can marvel at the new improved WWF American Century. 

America is the new World Wrestling Federation, where orchestrated scripted conflicts play out for the entertainment of the masses. Cable news is its soapbox.

Give them bread and circuses, have a few simple executions and stage an armed conflict and there you have it - a polarized and impotent citizenry, ready to be manipulated.  I love it when a plan comes together.

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By ocjim, August 4, 2009 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

Eugene, I think you are missing the point.

Critics of this ridiculous charge, that Obama was not born in the US, are either making jokes about it, pointing at the media’s unwillingness to squelch it, or attacking birthers as morons.

The paid mind-bending researchers for neo-conservative think tanks know how the human mind and the American media work in our modern world.

Psychological studies do show that young and old tend to fashion truth on the mind’s bias and upon repetition, and experiments show that denials are useless for those who want to believe the myth for their own reasons.

Some 70% of Americans believed Saddam Hussein’s involvement in 9/11, the mind’s bias was set by media-supported hatred of Saddam, fired by Bush patriotic rhetoric, and the Bush administration’s repetition kept the lie going.

Think-tank scientists, and skilled practitioners like Karl Rove, know this and advise Republican operatives to fashion belief campaigns accordingly.
Thus those who repeat the lies usually know they are lies but justify these distortions by deluding themselves into believing they have a holy mission, but in reality it is the pay and the power: therefore, the Limbaughs, the Becks, the O’Reillys and the Hannitys.

But, above all, there is unity in the right-wing lie campaign. To be effective, all right-wingers must participate in dispensing and in repeating the lie. Usually media is there to push conflict and ratings. The Rove imprint has been to build a lie or series of lies over a fully-scripted period of time that covers the contest in hand. It could be a few weeks, a few months, or years.

The policy seems to be fashioned for the neocon opponent.

The main ingredient of the ruse is confidence-eroding suspicion, innuendo, continuing internet email campaigns, right-wing talking heads in radio and TV talk shows, and omnipresent conservative repetition of the smears and questions.

Meanwhile, to augment negativity and resentment, every event, some not even relevant, are twisted to discredit the opponent.

But for Obama, the decision was made to question his birth in America. If you doubt its success, consider that over 60% of Republicans believe he is not native born.

Such campaigns work on prejudice, a few facts and distortion of most facts. He has a Kenyan-born father studying in Hawaii at the time of his birth. His American mother worked at different foreign locations. President Obama spent time in Indonesia while he was growing up.

Many conservatives resent the fact that President Obama is African-American. Many heartland Americans have been sheltered from people of different colors and backgrounds. Prejudice still lives in many hearts.

So why not build on these mental biases and through repetition, conflict, and smear from large-audience bigots like Rush Limbaugh. The responding outrage of Progressives and the media love of conflict keep the lie going.

So take it seriously and see it for what it is, a successful neocon campaign launched in the absence of any new or even old ideas on their part.

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By Anarcissie, August 4, 2009 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

It seems to me that the Birther business is a good way to distract the Republican rank and file from more relevant and practical issues.  It will use up a lot of energy, cause controversy and conflict among the faithful, and come to nothing but embarrassment and disrepute for its adherents in the end.  Therefore, my conspiracy theory is that the Democrats are behind it.

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By niloroth, August 4, 2009 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment

“If there’s been a more clinically insane political phenomenon in my lifetime than the “birthers,” I’ve missed it. Is this what our national discourse has come to? Sheer paranoid fantasy?”

Have you missed the past 5 years of 9/11 truthers ranting and raving on this site?  Including an editorial about it on the front page of truthdig?  Or maybe the nice woman who denied that HIV/AIDS came from africa who wrote a piece on here earlier this year?

Seriously, for truthdig to pretend they are better than the birthers is insane given some of the people they have given voice to.

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By Mary Ann McNeely, August 4, 2009 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

If there’s been a more clinically insane political phenomenon in my lifetime than the “birthers,” I’ve missed it.

Were you born yesterday?  Did you miss George W. Bush?

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By doublestandards/glasshoues, August 4, 2009 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

In America we must respect one another’s beliefs even if they are off the wall.  Nut jobs are the new centrists.  If I believe that the earth was created 6,000 years ago and that dinosaurs coexisted with the first humans you must respect my belief because this is America.  Birthers are here to stay because facts mean nothing to them.  It is best to ignore them.  They bring to mind something that I’ve seen on bumper stickers and tee-shirts: “I gave up on reality and found a good fantasy instead.”  Maybe it’s the stress of 21st century life.

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By C. Curtis Dillon, August 4, 2009 at 11:35 am Link to this comment
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There are lots of reasons why the birther movement has gained traction.  Bigotry is certainly part of the equation.  And it plays well on the news stations and “entertainment” channels (like Fox and, it would appear of late, CNN).  However, we all need to get past this distraction and start understanding the modern nature of politics.  We see glimpses of it everyday but are diverted by all the sideshows that our modern press love to comment about and devote precious air time to.  Politics has morphed into a huge game of power in Washington.  These clowns no longer care about us or even issues ... only winning is important.  They do whatever it takes to discredit the other side and to gain political points so they can return to power.  There isn’t a spine among them (with exception of maybe Barney Frank and a few other “independents”).  So the birther controversy is tailor made for the Republicans because it serves as a distraction and a rallying focus for their core believers.  And our media only helps fan the stupidity because they are always looking for ratings.

The sad part in all this is these games are destroying our country.  While these bastards fiddle, our nation burns.  We have so many problems that need to be addressed NOW and they can’t find the time to even debate them.  It is better to just let the country swirl around the drain.  Better to be “in power” in a banana republic than to be a driving force for change and improvement in what once was the most power and respected country on this planet.  But that is no longer true.  We are now just the very dangerous (and wounded) “has been” bully who has to be “respected” because he is dangerous and very armed.

I live in Europe and the view of America from here is very bad.  My friends ask me constantly about what has happened to America and I can’t even begin to answer them.  They are deeply saddened that a country, which once was the “shining beacon on the hill”, has degenerated into this mess.  Now they only pray that, as we slide into the abyss, we don’t decide to take them with us.  They pray for a peaceful death.

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By glider, August 4, 2009 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

To all those here who think this is only about race answer me one question.  What do you think this same crew would be doing had Kucinich been elected.  I think it would clearly be even worse because the man is more principled and would not be kissing as much ass as Obama.  You think Fox News, Rush, Hanitty, Billo, talk radio would just rollover because he is white?  If so these wing nuts are not the only wack jobs out there.

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By NC-Tom, August 4, 2009 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

Does anybody know if large parts of the populations of other countries like Canada, and European countries are as stupid as a large portion of the US is? 

I’m just wondering because I don’t follow the politics of other countries close enough to know.  I guess I’ll spend some time googling around to explore that question this afternoon.

I’m guessing they probably don’t have a large dope class like we do because those countries have national health care and other social safety nets, that a large portion of our population is simply too stupid to even want.

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By Spiritgirl, August 4, 2009 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

“...Research 2000 revealing that an astounding 28 percent of Republicans actually think that Obama was not born in the United States and another 30 percent are “not sure.””

Together that is the group of “Americans” that don’t realize that they are continually voting against their own pocketbook interests and for the corporate oligarchy.  They have been soooo dumbed down that they don’t even think for themselves anymore, they don’t even understand how to analyze “news” for the mis-information that’s being disseminated!  These are also the people that you need to watch, because these people don’t do independent thinking - they are the ones to be afraid of, very afraid!

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By Allan Krueger, August 4, 2009 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

Bulletin: Barack Obama is not really black - spread the word!

Now, all you BIRTHERS can give it a rest! PLONK!

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By Mike789, August 4, 2009 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

Very simply put, the “Birther movement”, as made plain in various and sundry public outcrys, is, (however conscious or subliminal), demonstrably a form of veiled racism.

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By TheRealFish, August 4, 2009 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

And, of course, it’s not simply the nutjobs that are the actual political force. They’ve always been with us and always will be.

It’s that the MSM report their ideas and perspectives as though they have some semblance of validity—over and over and over and…—ad nauseum.

Having just watched Candy Crowley @ CNN report on the teabaggers disrupting Dem town hall meetings as though they represent real grass-roots opposition to health care reform, instead of that they are bussed in and organized by the insurance and medical corporations (thanks, Dick Morris) is the evil, the threat. She, and CNN, swallowed the corporatocratist strategy whole and spit it out to a world audience, as opposed to the actual news which is that this is an organized effort to turn the low information populace against reform and favorable to the status quo.

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By Thomas Mc, August 4, 2009 at 9:14 am Link to this comment
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The Birthers are just proof of a serious mental health epidemic in the USA. Not to mention a confirmation of what I’ve suspected all along: most Republicans are insane!

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