David,

Obama didn’t lie.  It is not Obama that is causing the problem with health care, it is the CONSERVATIVE BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS.  If we don’t get health care, every possible Blue Dog Democrat and NEW DEMOCRAT in the House must be voted out no matter how long it takes.  As soon as they come up for vote, they must be voted out, there must not be left any CONSERVATIVE BLUE DOGS or CONSERVATIVE NEW DEMOCRATS on the Left representing the Republican Right against the Left to disable the President’s ability to represent all the people and the majority of doctors in favor of BIG business, insurance and the elite.

Political CONSERVATIVES in the House going against the President is the problem with health care, not President Obama.

Hopefully God will guide Obama through the maze that has been set for him by the Bush administration, so that he will be able to pull our country out of economic trouble, so that all the people will be able to prosper, instead of only an elite few at the top of the food chain.

Don Emilio - “...most profitable medical interventions…have no meaningful scientific evidence to support their use,”  AND something’s killing 30,000 medicare patients/year when they die from OVER-treatment.

Let’s face it, Republican’s, including the ones pretending to be Democrats, will sell their votes to the highest bidder. And we all know who that will be…

Democrats aren’t suppose to represent the wealthiest Americans, that is what Republicans do.  Political Conservative Blue Dog Republicrats have chosen to go against the President, and currently health care in the United States is needed more than ever.  This documentary by Michael Moore is evidence of the overwhelming need for citizens to get away from the oppressive tyranny of private insurance moguls who according to a whistle blower make a 425% profit, while denying health care to United States Citizens. 

Obama said he would not raise taxes on Americans making less than $250,000. per year.  Obama from the beginning has been trying to represent the people who earn less than $250,000. per year, since for the past eight (8) years, and even still, only the wealthiest Americans have been receiving money from the government. The $250,000. and less Americans have been footing the economy, it is time for the wealthiest Americans to foot public health care; instead of just to take everything from the $250,000. and less Americans and run, as if no one in America matters other than the wealthiest Americans. President Obama has assured us that all citizens matter and we the people must not allow the Blue Dogs that stand for the wealthiest in America to continue in their positions if they do not allow all United States citizens to have public health care whether they have insurance or not.

Also, watch this documentary made by Michael Moore.  It is outrageous how the firefighters were treated when they needed health care in the United States after so bravely standing for citizens on 9/11/01, but were turned down for health care, as Michael Moore documents.  Watch this documentary, America doesn’t deserve to be treated like a 3rd world country: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6646340600856118396&ei=9wjmSb3OMp2wqAOL_o25Dw&q=sicko

tropicgirl:  “If you want to know more about the writers of the health care legislation, look up the writings of Ezekiel Emmanuel, brother of Rahm, who is the presidents advisor. He has some very strange, (to me) ideas on health care.”

http://www.global-elite.org/node/965

I agree with the article on the point that a tax on health care benefits will hurt small businesses and employers with older workers. But I also think it will hurt any employee that gets health insurance from their employer.

Employers know exactly how much their employees are costing them in health insurance. Any increase in those costs (including a tax) will prompt employers to either cut benefits or raise premiums or both to neutralize the cost to them…which means, of course, that the tax gets passed to the employee.

The article has it right on the tax sur-charge, it taxes the wrong people. The 1.45% on cap gains makes some sense but be aware that 1. most rich people have plenty of realized loses to offset gains for the next few years and 2. financial advisors to these same people are in the business of tax avoidance - THERE S NO BETTER INVESTMENT than avoiding 30-50% taxes.

felicity is right—what product or service do insurance companies provide?

there are very few people with private insutance in countries where the health care is so much better than ours

As long as it is for profit, everybody knows who will get the best.

We really must get over the belief that the health insurance syndicate ‘provides’ us with health care.  (When I’m sick I go to the doctor, maybe the hospital but never my health insurance agent.)

Granted, the health insurance industry would like us to believe that were it not for it we would be deprived of medical care. Once we get how really useless the entire consortia are, we can throw the bastards out and get down to the real business of health care.

This plan, as it is, is not worth passing…

To understand what “the allowing” is all about…

See this link , and maybe gain a better understanding?

Blue Dogs and New Democrats are not fiscal conservatives, they are political conservatives, Right-Wing political conservatives that protect the wealth of the right-wing, but for some reason they are misplaced in the Democratic Party.  It is passed time for we the people to clip the Blue Dogs and New Democrats wings and vote them out of the Democratic Party, because it is impossible for any Democrat to do anything responsible for the greater majority as long as the Blue Dogs and the New Democrats are in the party going against the leadership.

Harry Reid is a Mormon, a closet homophobe and an outed conservative—he’s so corrupt he leaves a trail of slime as he slithers towards the media cameras to grace us with his impression of a human being. That’s entertaining but hardly reassuring.

We’ve all been sold out. Better prepare to become your own doctors; the U.S. is finished.

This article exemplified a scheme that is so confusing that no one understands it and it is not even written yet. So all this arguing is for nothing.

But, there are more serious concerns to me that are being raised. If this reform is NOTHING MORE THAN HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM, then why raise money at all? It seems all that needs to be done is enact legislation to give the moral guidelines to insurers, no patient dumping, no pre-existing, no non-payment or cancellation, etc.

And based upon the hocus-pocus of the bailouts and the TARP, which we are still not allowed to know where “the money went”, it is not surprising that all thinking people are suspicious of this, and well, Obama in general. Lately he doesn’t think that transparence and honesty will suit him.

When you couple that with the massive cuts that seems to be coming in Medicare (Obama keeps saying, we “have to reduce costs” and in that, could only be talking about Medicare because the govt, is not involved in other health costs), you wonder really what is going on here.

I have come to the conclusion that this is simply a bailout for the health insurance companies, who want to make more money. (They were conspicuously missing from the other Tom, Dick and Harry’s who asked for money).  I think it is dangerous to funnel money into a supposedly solvent industry, with no elected officials overseeing the money DIRECTLY. And for what? So they could be a sort of private Medicare? It spells trouble. And the kind of cuts happening to Medicare, by Obama, are Reagans dream.

If you want to know more about the writers of the health care legislation, look up the writings of Ezekiel Emmanuel, brother of Rahm, who is the presidents advisor. He has some very strange, (to me) ideas on health care.

Why can’t we just study the single payer system that the rest of the world seems to have a variation of, and stop fee for service and profits?

At this point in time it should be clear to everyone, that government is powerless against the, the corporations.

What the people want and need is irrelevant to Mr. Baucus. That the tiny little population of his state should have so much say over what happens in this so called health care reform debate is ridiculous and absurd.

Baucus only wants health insurance reform, not health care reform. Their is no health care industry. Their are health care professionals, providers and workers who work at the behest of the health insurers. The morphing of health care with health insurance confuses the issue and the issue is health care.