SamSnedegar
Forgive my historical redundancy, but if you look at the real history of big US oil corporate power and control over Congress, you could find some real connections between the following documented historical events:

2003: 45th anniversary of the assassination of President Kennedy. The History Channel responds to it by presenting the last three segments of the Nigel Turner presentation of “The Men Who Killed Kennedy.” The last segment gives much evidence that LBJ was the man headed for prison, not being allowed to continue as JFK’s running mate in 1964, and had been the front-man in government for the Texas oil industry, but whose political demise ended when JFK’s human life ended on Elm Street, Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas, 11-22-63.

That same year, CIA asset, George H. W. Bush’s son, George Dubya Bush, under a fast arrangement with Lady Bird Johson whose long deceased husband was clearly being blamed for the JFK killing, not only took the entire, well documented Nigel Turner series off the air, but ordered a very long, roughly 3/4 of a mile long mettle fence built in front of the grave-site of JFK. You have to walk 3/4 of one mile to get anywhere close the grave-site of America’s 35th president.

The following year. Early the following year, Bush, Jr. fired his then Press Secretary Ari Fleicher, and hired in his place the son of one of the main participants in that part of the Nigel Turner series in which Barr McClellan testified on film that LBJ’s
main assassin had helped in putting together the plot that killed President Kennedy.

You see, there was a meeting in Austin, Texas on Thursday, Nov. 21, 1963 between oilman, Clint Murchison, Jr., LBJ, and a highly placed CIA asset who was also involved in the Texas oil business.
That same man was photographed and filmed in and around Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas, as JFK’s limousine rolled past. Anyone guess who it was???

They had friends in many low places, went to them, paid them, and together they covered up the crime because they were in positions of power such that they could do what they did to Kennedy, and get by with it for now 45 years.

Diogenes would have a fit today: the only honest men I have heard were Dennis Kucinich, Charlie Rangel, and Greenspan, all of whom told us it was about oil. Sure, Scheer did so to, but managed to get fired for it, and so he quit telling the truth as soon as it was made clear to him that his publishers didn’t want him talking about oil.

Afghanistan has access to Caspian oil, and has gas of her own; Pakistan is part of the delivery equation. There is no reason but oil to make us deal with a bunch of not so stupid any more Arabs in the mideast. Cronks never told the truth, and neither did Rather; too bad for them. At least Scheer and Margolis told the truth one time; the rest of the people on whom we depend for accurate information are married to dollars and won’t speak out.

Jesus said it best: “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.”

Paracelsus: You are, I believe, correct about the question, “If the French couldn’t hold Vietnam as a colony, what caused the United States to think it could? The French are, whether anyone cares to admit it or not, a major naval and air power. Not as large as the United States, but able to carry on one war at a time, anywhere on earth. They and the British and Americans have sold more navy ships to third world countries than any other nations on earth.

That said, the French knew that in a few years, Algeria would erupt. They withdrew their more than 500,000 French troops and ships and aircraft carriers from Vietnam in preparation to fight a political war in Algeria. (the same type we tried to fight there, until Kennedy ordered the withdrawal from there, and LBJ and the rest of the national security state, including the covert ops dept of the Pentagon, and Operation 40 of the CIA got together, hired the guns that killed Kennedy when they had their lone nut set up to take the blame for something he thought he was working for the FBI to stop: the assassination of President Kennedy.) 

So,we went in for a full ten years and lost 60,000 of our young, 350,000 wounded, 550,000 hooked on hard drugs, and according to MacNamara, himself, killed 3,500,000 innocent Vietnamese in the carpet bombing, and not to save Vietnam from communism, which was the cover story, but to keep the drug trade flowing through the winged flight of Air America private airline. And we all later were finally told that the Gulf of Tonkin incidents was a “red flag operation” of the CIA.

Who runs America? The people’s government? Or, the “national secrecy—-I mean national security state?

@ madinka

Walter is being hailed as an honest broker he certainly wasn’t. He totally misread the Tet offensive where the VC and N Vietnamese had their heads handed to them. It started a steady drumbeat against the war.
He was also against restricting reporters during the 1st gulf war and embedding them. It was in fact a tremendous idea at controlling the message and insuring the truth got out. i still remember watching the “press corp” asking questions and my total embarrassment for the profession if it can be called that.

Embedded reporting is no part of a free press. In fact it sounds lascivious. We had heard very little about “The Road of Death”. As to Vietnam, if the French couldn’t hold that nation as a colony what would make you think America could?

Walter is being hailed as an honest broker he certainly wasn’t. He totally misread the Tet offensive where the VC and N Vietnamese had their heads handed to them. It started a steady drumbeat against the war.
He was also against restricting reporters during the 1st gulf war and embedding them. It was in fact a tremendous idea at controlling the message and insuring the truth got out. i still remember watching the “press corp” asking questions and my total embarrassment for the profession if it can be called that

Terrance Gabriel,
What a powerful testimony and story you tell. Cronkite did what few other newsmen at the time had the temerity or guts to do. He told it like it in fact was. He reported the hill-taken-then-abandoned to the Vietcong and North Vietnamese regulars. He reported also the humungously large deaths of the innocent men, women and children of Vietnam.

Robert MacNamara said in 1968 that “we have killed 3.5 Million Vietnamese civilians in the carpet bombing,” when talking to the man who reversed President Kennedy’s NSAM 263 to withdraw all US forces from Vietnam, by ordering that the US would do all in it’s power to support the new president of South Vietnam.

The NSAM 273 was prepared FIVE DAYS BEFORE November 22, 1963, the day that LBJ, Nixon, Hoover, Connolly, Cord Myer, David Atlee Phillips, Operation 40 members, Frank Sturgis, David Sanchez Morales, Luis Posada Carriles, Chicago mobsters Sam Giancana, Chuckie Nicoletti, and his “assistant,” James E. Files ordered and carried out the assassination of JFK. The document that LBJ signed on Nov. 29, 1963, the reversal of JFK’s withdrawal order, is what killed all those people.

Big US oil corporations, most notably what was then Kellogg/Brown and Root (more recently owned by Dick Cheney’s former company, Halliburton, raked in $Billions of dollars in profits from the work they did for the military in Vietnam, while troops were ordered to advance, then withdraw.

Walter Cronkite interviewed President Kennedy on September 12, 1963. During that interview Kennedy said “We can support the war over there with weapons and munititions and tactical support. But unless the war effort can gain more popular support, I don’t think that the war can be won out there. In the final analysis, it is their war. They are the ones who have to win it or loose it.”

Cronkite had just said to Kennedy, “It seems that, for the very first time, the world at large is at peace, except in Vietnam. We certainly do have our problems there.” Cronkite was, at that time, of the old anti-communist, get rid of communists no matter what the cost. Kennedy had more prophetic thoughts about it. He knew what would happen if we got ourselves involved in a land war in Asia. He had learned his history lessons from the French experience of the late 40’s and early mid 50’s.

But, they both forgot that weapons manufacturers and big oil corporations make huge profits on war. Kennedy paid with his life. And, as evidence now clearly shows, Oswald was innocent of Kennedy’s death. He was about to tell the whole world, with evidence to show it, when those behind the JFK assassination silenced Oswald to cover their own tracks.

JayZee

PROOF - Alex Jones is working for the CIA

And I bet you get your checks drawn off the US Treasury. When people ask you what you do for a living, you laconically say that you work for the government. Your IP address probably resolves to .mil root domain. I bet your are a college intern because you are so amateurish.

Rontruth, aleichem shalom. Off-hand, I can’t think of any agressor nations, which implies all the people who live within their borders are aggressive, but I can think of plenty agressor leaders who should be invited to the Boho frolics in case an aggressor terrorist should be so lucky.

PROOF - Alex Jones is working for the CIA

some guy on the intertubes
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread225783/pg1

:snort:

Hey Sepharad: Shalom.
I wonder if CIA agent, Osama bin Laden, is lurking in the outer parts of the Grove, to wait until it is dark, then use hijacked plastic airplanes to do what whoever it really was that did the 9/11 attacks on the WTC, the Pentagon bunker-buster rocket attack (on the Pentagon), and Pennsylvania.

I bet it would be all over the news, so much so that the Bushy-types in the CIA and Pentagon would try to get Obama to order and attack on China, or, let’s see umm, maybe Uzbechistan, or, well ahhhm, maybe Iran with it’s oil reserves and the weapons it needs to defend the oil reserves against “aggressor nations.” Can you think of any “aggressor nations?”

@ Beagle914

Spy magazine did a feature on it. And Alex Jones has a DVD, showing how he snuck in and secretly filmed the ceremonies. That’s real video of the ceremony. Nothing faked about it.

Beagle914, We live a couple of ridges away from the Bohemian Grove, and reading the Sonoma Free Press on the topic is a guilty pleasure for many hereabouts but must don’t take it seriously. One year they wrote that a young child was sacrificed in front of the Big Stone Owl. The only facts I’ve observed re the annual gathering: 1) a large influx of prostitues, male and female, boosts Monte Rio’s lodgings and liquor economy for the duration and 2)so many helicopters circle so low (some land to transport participants, others prowl the perameter with spotlights all night) that many local animals, domestic and otherwise, make a lot of noise and keep people from sleeping.

My big objection is that when the BC was formed it was for artists, writers, philosophers, adventurers. Its old stone headquarters building in San Francisco still has, over the entrance, the injunction that “no scheming spiders enter here.”  Now it’s degenerated so badly, with no shortage of scheming spiders, that an enterprising terrorist group could with one good hit wipe out a large portion of the military-industrial-corporate-financial muckety-mucks.

Paracelsus wrote:
“Walty was a Hillbilly. I find it amusing that these guys like to run around in woman’s clothing chasing male prostitutes. Wally did the voice of the ceremony where they sacrificed an effigy to the stone owl.

BTW, the gayest of lot seem to be Republicans and conservative Christian leaders. I just don’t like the hypocrisy of these guys.”

In the interests of truth, do you have any basis (other than The Sonoma County Free Press) for these comments?

Interesting

http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bohos/bohofact.html

What industries are represented among the members? Major military contractors, oil companies, banks (including the Federal Reserve), utilities (including nuclear power), and national media (broadcast and print) have high-ranking officials as club members or guests. Many members are, or have been, on the board of directors of several of these corporations. You should note that most of the above industries depend heavily on a relationship with government for their profitability.

The members stay in different camps at the Grove, which have varying status levels. Members & frequent guests of the most prestigious camp (Mandalay) include: Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, S. D. Bechtel, Jr., Thomas Watson Jr. (IBM), Phillip Hawley (B of A), William Casey (CIA). and Ralph Bailey (Dupont). George Bush resides in a less prestigious camp (Hillbillies) with A. W. Clausen (World Bank), Walter Cronkite, and William F. Buckley.

Walty was a Hillbilly. I find it amusing that these guys like to run around in woman’s clothing chasing male prostitutes. Wally did the voice of the ceremony where they sacrificed an effigy to the stone owl.

BTW, the gayest of lot seem to be Republicans and conservative Christian leaders. I just don’t like the hypocrisy of these guys.

Paracl… True. But, let’s nof forget that there were thousands of news reporters who reported on that event that day in November, 1963. But, Cronkite could not, and may not have been allowed, to investigate on his own what no other major news figure even wanted to do, the documentary and witness testimony evidence in the JFK assassination case. Only after doing that, could he then do as he did: report it to the American people.

I really didn’t like his joining the lynch mob on panning Rush to Judgment, but let’s agree to disagree.

I do find your info on Scheiffer very enlightening, and I would say that Dan Rather made his bones in Dallas.

Paracl… True. But, let’s nof forget that there were thousands of news reporters who reported on that event that day in November, 1963. But, Cronkite could not, and may not have been allowed, to investigate on his own what no other major news figure even wanted to do, the documentary and witness testimony evidence in the JFK assassination case. Only after doing that, could he then do as he did: report it to the American people.

In other words, it is easy to scapegoat one popular figure who at least DID report what he had investigated, when no other news reporter of any stature did so. Not perfect. But, one hell of a lot better than the others did.

Dan Rather was the on-the-ground reporter who reported live back to the CBS News Washington desk where Cronkite reported to the rest of the country. It was Rather’s skewed reporting of the events, including the shooting, itself, which he said he saw, that gave Cronkite the skewed information, which he then reported on national TV News.

One bad apple in the Kennedy killing case was Bob Schieffer. His big claim to fame was that he had been in Fort Worth, Texas, and drove Lee Oswald’s obviously distraught mother to Dallas from Fort Worth. He was one guy who did all he could to make Marguerite Oswald look like a nut, so that the rest of the real cabal that killed Kennedy and blamed Oswald for it, could turn Lee Oswald into a “Lone-Nut Assassin.”

My question to Schieffer is, “What were you doing in Fort Worth, Texas at the time of the shooting of Kennedy, if you didn’t somehow know that the killing would take place, and that the Government was planning to blame Oswald for it? Huh?? He was near Oswald’s mother’s residence when the Kennedy killing took place! How could Schieffer miss being the guy who took Marguerite Oswald to Dallas??

You say Walter was “always late to the party.” I say, “better late than never.” Sometimes a good thing is worth waiting for.

By the time the good thing has come, a lot of people have needlessly died, while the money misspent becomes a burden to future generations. Truth deferred is not that much better than lying. We have this business where we have to wait fifty years before the specific archive on a government action or mystery can be opened. By that time all the witnesses and suspects are dead. Meanwhile the damage caused by the buried truth has fully fruited into a moribund mire.

Like I said in my little expose’ of what Cronkite said at the time of the JFK assassination: He said what he was told he had to say, when he was told he had to say it.” Greenwald, et.al. can say what they will about Cronkite, and I would say that they were likely mostly jealous of Cronkite’s stardom that they never achieved, but how many major news reporters does anyone in this country know who, after reporting the news events as their bosses to them they had to, left their employment with the bosses, and went out and found, then reported the real truth? How many? Come on, now….

You say Walter was “always late to the party.” I say, “better late than never.” Sometimes a good thing is worth waiting for.

here’s more crap more from the “blame unka walty crowd:”

“Glorified cue card reader that regurgitated slanted information/major league suck-up/liar, etc… fitting he will be praised nonstop, probably for weeks with the type of corrupt government/media we have assembled here on earth.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2295204/posts?q=1&page=51

lolz

The truth behind the importance of the name change after almost two days of reporting the JFK murder weapon as a German-made military rifle, Mauser 7.65, is that OSWALD DID NOT OWN A MAUSER, 7.65 RIFLE. HE OWNED THE MANNICHER-CARCANO, Italian-made rifle that was brought into Dallas from Oswald’s wife’s residence at the home of Ruth and Michael Paine. Oswald had left it there, using it occasionally for hunting. Ruth Paine was a CIA agent, along with Michael who had worked for the agency at Bell Helicopter that manufactured the helicopters for the war in Vietnam.

Ruth told Oswald’s wife, Marina, that she had to go to the store to buy food for herself, Marina and the now two Oswald children. Ruth’s car was photographed in Dealey Plaza within 30 minutes after the JFK shooting. It was later found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building, but not until after the German-made Mauser, 7.65 rifle had been found and reported to the news agencies.

That is why the name change was made that you hear Cronkite reporting a day and a half after the Mauser was found. Ruth’s car was a green Rambler stationwagon, seen in many films and photographs of the scene in the half hour after the assassination.

Always, if you want the real truth about a tragic American event, just follow the MONEY!

Here is a posting from salon.com that I like:

http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/07/18/cronkite/view/index24.html?show=all

Mr. Greenwald,

As you point out: a journalist is doing his or her best work when they’re NEVER invited to cocktail parties in Washington.

***************

As for the Nova expose, Walter is always late to the party.

Paracelsus the Oracle of wrong said:

“I haven’t read a book since 1966.” :snort:

put this on your pretend reading list:

Legacy of Secrecy
http://www.legacyofsecrecy.com/

or

you can always go back to freeperville to celebrate unka walty’s death with the rest of the tinfoil nutters:

“This is a sad day.

For the State Run Media.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2295204/posts?q=1&;page=51

if you go to YouTube The Mauser 7.65 Rifle, you will see the real Walter Cronkite, the one America, myself included grew to love and respect. This news report that began on a late November Friday, 1963, shows Mr. Cronkite’s ongoing reporting of the events immediately surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy. Cronkite used only information that was fed to him through his at that time corporate masters.

You will see and hear the change in the name of one of the real guns used in the JFK assassination, to the one that was planted on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building. That day, when the Dallas Police tried to take finger-prints of Oswald off the newly reported Carcano, a small gun not much more powerful than a beebee gun, they could NOT find any. This was embarrassing to Police Chief, Jesse Curry, over that weekend.

In the late 1980’s, Paul Groody, the funeral home directory who, with one of his assistants, took care of Lee Oswald’s body after Jack Ruby killed him on national TV, said that FBI agents came to the funeral home at around 1:00 AM, and asked he and the assistant to be able to see Oswald’s body. They had a rifle with them, and a satchel. Groody said the agents were with Oswald’s body for about a half hour.

He also said, “We had quite a bit of difficulty cleaning off the finger-printing ink in order to prepare Oswald’s remains for burial the next day.”
The finger-print card used by the Dallas Police Dept. was dated, November 25, 1963.

It was at 1:00 AM, very early Monday morning, when the FBI agents manipulated the evidence, to cover the tracks of the real killers who were ordered to do what they did by LBJ, Connolly, Nixon, Hoover, their friends in the CIA, and anti-Castro Cubans, including Nixon/Bush, Sr’s Operation 40 members who were in Dealey Plaza and, along with two members of the Chicago mob, actually killed President Kennedy.

In his later years, Cronkite did a series called NOVA, an investigative journalism TV show, that told the rest of the story about the killing of President Kennedy that caused America to become an “aggressor” state in the world. Kennedy had tried to stop it. It killed him so that the big-profits-for-the-few wars could continue, costing our sons and daughters’ lives and the Treasury $Trillions of dollars of our national fortune.

Walter was a truthful, decent man, caught in the cogs of a capitalism that leads to fascist dictatorship. He, along with Kennedy tried to stop it.

fArtsy, this nwo for global PEACE is frightening…Oh the horror!

come on, just admit it… you really are the “crazy lady” from the john McCain rally.

repeat this for me…“Eee’s an Erab”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjfB1tdCO9I

lolz

Re: Invasion of Iraq. It is eminently clear from this interview that Mr. Cronkite did not read anything written by Scot Ritter on this issue.
Case closed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaS6bLQixkM

This is what the real Walter Cronkite believed! He was not unlike the rest of Washington which has driven the US further into the political sewer of doom.

He was a major player in the beginning of the mind- control-media-boom. We only had 3 channels. Walter was a well spoken, handsome character in a long line of TV characters and personalities that help control people’s minds today. The “TRUST YOUR JOURNALIST DAYS ARE LONG GONE. (Sounds a bit like the Obama too…TRUST ME, THE HONEYMOON IS OVER!)

I am NOT a liberal, not a Republicon, nor am I a Democrite anymore. The US government system is corrupt beyond recognition and I am sick about it.The existing 2 party system is a disgraceful failure all aroung.

The people need to take back their media, clean out congress and the senate and start over! My identity is Libertarian. Ron Paul would make an excellent leader. At least he tells the TRUTH. 

Linda Lee

Walter Cronkite was most certainly a GLOBALIST. In my opinion, he like Michael Jackson has been idealized by the media. Cronkite seems no more Liberal than my little finger. Please watch the cute little video. His very own eloquent words speak his truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaS6bLQixkM 
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Linda Lee

I think that like Dan Rather, Walter Cronkite towed the line on the JFK assassination. If he was such a good journalist he would not have panned Rush to Judgment, the book that questioned the official story of the JFK murder. There were too many anomalies present that indicated that the shooting of the President was more likely carried out by a team of sharp shooters. The magic bullet theory was enough to question all the premises of the official story. I think Walt’s playing along with the powers that be helped to corrupt government. It is siple to see that there has not been an independent President in office since that day in November.

I am also skeptical of Walt’s support of world federalism. We have seen what world governance is like, and it is unrepresentative and distant from its constituents. Everything from the NAFTA tribunals to the G8 meetings shows a pattern of unaccountable power that cannot be checked by the popular will.

I feel he has been a negative force in the American media. People are very infantile in their acceptance of official sources of information. Cronkite was part of that infantilization. He was called Uncle Walter, which indicates the mind trip called for by the establishment media.

Walter Cronkite was no Izzy Stone, but as a journalist he was like Roger Mudd, someone who said what he thought was true and insisted on doing some of his own legwork, unlike today’s good hair anchors and anchorettes. Although it will sound corny to all you hypersophisticates, Cronkite, like Mudd, was very direct reporting bad news yet managed to make people feel not quite so lost. (As a print journalist, I never did know how to do that—but then broadcast is a different discipline. When it was disciplined, that is.)

By lifewriter, July 20 at 9:49 am #

“It’s fair to compare Cronkite to Carter.  The assertion that they both played a key role – and later changed the tune of that role once their official position had ended – only furthers the concern that each of these men did nothing to prevent atrocities from unfolding during the time in which they had the power to stop them.”

Out of curiosity, what specifically did either of them (Cronkite or Carter) have the ‘power to stop’?
What did either of them ‘do NOTHING to stop’ and how do you or any one else “know” that?

Just curious..

Don’t forget that Walter was a Vietnam War cheerleader
before he decided that the war was unwinnable—exactly the path that the NYTimes took.

Ley’s face it—our main stream punditocracy , then and now, are pro-war, pro-pentagon and pro-wall street. They know who butters their bread.

“Pinko Cronkite” - Archie Bunker

Blackspeare:
‘There is no doubt that WK was the prime example of media influencing political/social issues.  Even LBJ admitted the war was lost after WK’s statement, but then again LBJ had a conscripted army——a no no in an “unpopular” war.  History will tell us that with continued bombing of North Vietnam, the North Vietnamese would have accepted partition. ...’

How could history tell us that?  After Ap Bac (1963), the Communists knew they had a winning hand.  All they had to do was play it out carefully.  And for the most part, that’s what they did.

anar…i really think you’re being too harsh on cronkite here.  late in life, he had become a firm believer in strengthening the UN.  he wanted the US to cede some of its sovereignty to a more democratically stuctured UN.  he came to believe that planetary problems needed solutions that came from a governing body that would reflect world opinion (or earthperson population as some woud call it)   i do think he should have opposed the iraq invasion, regardless of any UN vote.  and i do think, he was naive about the possibilities of the UN reflecting world opinion, at least in the short term.  but, on the whole, i liked the guy and feel the world would be a better place with more “Cronkite types.”

There is no doubt that WK was the prime example of media influencing political/social issues.  Even LBJ admitted the war was lost after WK’s statement, but then again LBJ had a conscripted army——a no no in an “unpopular” war.  History will tell us that with continued bombing of North Vietnam, the North Vietnamese would have accepted partition.  Whether that would have been a good outcome is arguable, but with a massive infusion of US aid to South Vietnam, today we would have many item manufactured in SV, possible even automobiles!!!  However, media influence in national policies will never attain those in the 60’s and 70’s because the media is today too fractured and an all volunteer army assures future military adventures will not raise public ire in the extreme.

Paracelsus said:

“I made this all up.”

I agree with you… you’re the Oracle of wrong. Who can dispute a perfect .000 batting average.

silly dillhey said:

“Judging from Cronkite’s support of the Iraq invasion”

Wrong, dum dum.

dihey:
‘Judging from Cronkite’s support of the Iraq invasion “if the UN approved it” I deduce that he accepted as truth the crap that was presented by Secretary Powell at the UN.

We now know how deluded this paragon of truth was at the time. Bush would have gone ahead with the invasion even if the UN had not approved it.
RE you wasted your time and energy.

The thing about the U.N. was a fallback position for people who wanted to suck up to the power but not be too blatant about it, pretend they were men of reason and so forth.  If the push to war on Bush’s say-so got too sticky politically the next thing would have been to shove the U.N. by whatever means into something that could be interpreted as permitting the war; then the Cronkite types and their earnest followers would be free to go for it, to trot back gratefully into the warm kennel of obedience and lie down.

Some of the people at the big demo in New York just before the war had signs cynically mocking this game.  But you can certainly fool some of the people some of the time, and here we are, seven years later, with a reverent encomium.

In the US we like to think that librarians may have secret powers and lead wild personal lives behind their masks of sober intelligence. In Britain that role is filled by teachers and one of them—in his personal life—founded Spartacus Schoolnet. Spy topics are particularly popular in Britain. Possibly because the British are so good at spying. Usually by betraying their country, and the US, to the Soviet Union. Take Kim Philby. No. _Take_ Kim Philby far, far away. Please.

Brilliant!! I just bought a book from Britain on espionage during WWII. The author was Christopher Creighton. There are a few chapters on Bormann’s Nazi loot being smuggled out of the country. I think he got a piece of the action.

I think I should have used the parting shot in my last post as cretin. Children are so preternaturally perceptive. I think it is a toss up between dog and child when comes to sensing friend or foe.

Judging from Cronkite’s support of the Iraq invasion “if the UN approved it” I deduce that he accepted as truth the crap that was presented by Secretary Powell at the UN.
We now know how deluded this paragon of truth was at the time. Bush would have gone ahead with the invasion even if the UN had not approved it.
RE you wasted your time and energy.

@ JayZee

Okay, go back to sleep. Unka Walty will make your troubles go way. Go ahead and relax in the belief I made this all up, you innocent little child.

Paracelsus said:

“Actually I read of this from Carl Bernstein and Alex Constantine. Have you ever heard of Phil Graham?”

you gave the voices in your head proper names, how cute!

It’s fair to compare Cronkite to Carter.  The assertion that they both played a key role – and later changed the tune of that role once their official position had ended – only furthers the concern that each of these men did nothing to prevent atrocities from unfolding during the time in which they had the power to stop them.  This pattern of toothless disclosure and defiance is something that has been present in the media and among political players for some time.

Much the same can be said for now semi-famous talking heads, former Generals, Commanders et al, whom bemoan shortsighted former and current policies and the very real risks that troops had been exposed to due to said shortcomings. http://www.seattlepi.com/opinion/266638_solarosub16.html

But at the end of all this banter, they – most of them anyway – appear to have been silent on these issues when they had a chance, or better – a military capability – to halt or influence the outcome of any number of US-lead campaigns that have since proven disastrous for the men and women serving abroad, let alone the local populations suffering and dying under these failed policies.  Infrequently, if at all, are the press, the pundits, and most importantly these alleged retirees to whom enlightenment has emerged just outside the nick of time, ever truly reflecting on the humanitarian crisis that has evolved as a product of the shortsighted, misdirected but inevitably greedy aspirations.  Cronkite, Novak, Plame.  They all smack of an American directive that has existed since the slaughter of the Native Americans in 1492: Make your money, then clean your conscience.

There is an amusing article about Project Mockingbird in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mockingbird.  I don’t know how much of it can be verified.  I vaguely recall the great fuss made in the 1960s about Encounter, so I think there’s something there.

On the whole, though, I think the big cheeses of media already agreed with the aims of the CIA out of class interest.  It was probably not necessary to bribe them.

@ JayZee

More like fixed for a public garroting. Actually I read of this from Carl Bernstein and Alex Constantine. Have you ever heard of Phil Graham?

Paracelsus said:

“From what I have heard from most of the kooky, insane clown voices in my head, Cronkite was a most trusted asset of Project Mockingbird.”

Fixed for accuracy!

From what I have heard of Cronkite, he was a most trusted asset of Project Mockingbird.