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A Settlement Stalemate With No End in Sight

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Posted on Jun 25, 2009
AP photo / Dan Balilty

Jewish settlers rebuild a structure in the West Bank outpost of Maoz Esther, a hilltop site northeast of Ramallah.

By William Pfaff

The Obama administration’s confrontation with Israel over its colonies inside the Palestine territories began as a test of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s willingness to enter serious negotiations on a Middle Eastern settlement. It actually possesses potential dimensions that few today imagine.

Netanyahu first counted on the Likud and settlement lobbies in Washington to produce, as always in the past, a disingenuous formula that would allow the colonies to continue to expropriate Palestinian land and expand the settlements, while the American government oversaw essentially meaningless negotiations with the Palestinians.

The prime minister was in Europe this week, and told RAI, Italian state radio, that after President Barack Obama had declared in his Cairo speech that the construction of new settlements must stop, he—Netanyahu—had replied “No” but had accepted Obama’s call for a two-state solution with the Palestinians, provided that it took place under specified conditions. Previously Netanyahu had rejected the two-state approach.

The conditions would deny a prospective Palestine state of full sovereignty, control of its frontiers or of its security, economy and trade, airspace, and water and other natural resources. The conditions are obviously unacceptable, as they are meant to be.

Netanyahu’s proposal constituted a message to the Palestinians that they should expect nothing from his government, and to Obama that Israel expects the United States to ask nothing further from it, and to resume the meaningless negotiations that have gone on since the first President Bush tried and failed to confront Israel on extension of the settlements.

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The Israeli prime minister went on to say, “I think the more we spend time arguing about [the settlements] the more we waste time instead of moving towards peace.”

On Wednesday, he paid an official visit to France, expecting congratulations on his agreement to the creation of a Palestinian state. Instead, President Nicolas Sarkozy told him that France “would no longer accept Israeli subterfuges meant to disguise colony construction by the pretext of ‘natural growth’ in the settlements.”

This position already had been characterized by Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman as making it “impossible [for Israel] to build synagogues or kindergartens, or to add rooms for a family.”

Lieberman, who immigrated to Israel from Moldova, wishes that Israel’s Arab citizens—survivors of the original Arab population of what is now Israel—be given special identity documents and be encouraged to quit Israel. One might think that if they did depart they would leave real estate vacancies that could accommodate expanding Jewish settler families.

Netanyahu was scheduled to meet on Thursday in Paris with former U.S. Sen. George Mitchell, President Obama’s special envoy on Middle Eastern affairs, but the meeting was canceled by the American side (reported the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth), and Mitchell returned to Washington. The White House unofficially made it known that there would be no further meetings with Netanyahu until there was a real settlement freeze.

Now this is all very well, in principle a long-overdue restoration of justice and realism to American policy on Israel and Palestine, but what follows? Would the American position on a settlement freeze be enforced with financial or political sanctions if the Netanyahu government refused to yield?

Netanyahu was elected in order to defy the United States on the colonies and on Palestinian statehood. Since few sensible people in Israel wish to alienate Washington, the Netanyahu government, again in principle, might be brought down by American sanctions.

What then? The settlement movement, which has gone on now for some four decades, has become integral to the Israeli perception of national destiny and national security. The number of Israeli settlers in the West Bank and the Palestinian sector of Jerusalem now approaches a half-million. The settlements with their connecting roads, security installations and outposts dominate some 40 percent of the West Bank territories.

Geoffrey Aronson of the Foundation for Middle East Peace in Washington, sympathetic to the Palestinians, writes in the foundation’s most recent newsletter that merely a freeze in settlement construction would require Israel to “undo the system by which the military establishment, the legislative and executive arms of the state, settlers, and public, private, and supranational communal organizations collaborate in the encouragement and expansion of settlements.”

Major elements in the state administration, defense forces, planning and budget agencies, and security programs and practices, plus the incentives to individuals and business to develop the settlements, would have to be undone.

Aronson concludes that even a real freeze would require “an undertaking so complex and requiring an Israeli political decision so profound that no Israeli government would undertake [it] except as a result of a broader decision to terminate [the entire occupation of the Palestinian territories].”

That is wholly impossible without a huge, internationally guaranteed reconstruction of the security relationships of Palestinians, Israelis and the surrounding Arab states, which is all but unimaginable. But then what is imaginable? Going on as things are? Clarification of Obama administration policy is essential.

Visit William Pfaff’s Web site at www.williampfaff.com.

© 2009 Tribune Media Services, Inc.


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By KDelphi, July 6, 2009 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

Arabian Sinbad:

Here is the website, if I can post it…

http://www.nbn.org.il/index.php

Yesk that is exactly what it advocates, no question about it.

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By KDelphi, July 3 at 1:36 pm #

“nefesh—But the “nefesh b’nefesh ” (I think that it is called) has a hugely financed program to “return” Jews from all over the world to Israel, no? To fund them, to teach them Hebrew, etc. But they have to be Jewish, right? free BA, free housing, tax benefits, free health care, free money directly at airport, after free flight to Israel!”
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Thank you KDelphi for your perseptive comment and the link you provided for “nefesh b’nefesh” which is obviously an organization supporting the settlement movement into in the stolen lands of Palestine.

As you rightly pointed out, all these perks and luxury life promised services at the expense of both the natives of Palestine and the American tax-payers who see their own increasingly seeing their lives shattered and becoming homless and destitute!

So our “nefsh-in-residence” on Truthdig is an employed propagandist of this extreme and fanatic group, hiding behind a fake veil of social services.

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By KDelphi, July 3, 2009 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

nefesh—But the “nefesh b’nefesh ” (I think that it is called) has a hugely financed program to “return” Jews from all over the world to Israel, no? To fund them, to teach them Hebrew, etc. But they have to be Jewish, right? free BA, free housing, tax benefits, free health care, free money directly at airport, after free flight to Israel!

I dont know how people that supposedly believe in separation of church and state can excuse a state that exists only for one race…

http://www.nbn.org.il/index.php

Rental assistance, airfare, employment, social support, schools, “Go North” program, tax benefits, unemployment, health care, free school for physicians,all Bachelor’s programs


Benefits and Rights for Olim Chadashim:
http://www.nbn.co.il/site/kb/questions/130/Benefits+&+Rights+for+Olim+Chadashim

(Table of cash benefits)

Check some of this stuff out, peeps! Must be nice to have such a healthy social service net, while people here die in the streets!

Is there any way Israel could help the US out??

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By Folktruther, July 2, 2009 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Thank you for your good wishes, Arabaian Sinbad. but life is short, history is long.  I don’t expect to see major changes in my lifetime, but I am willing to be plesantly surpprised. 

My pollitical views were bascially formed long ago, when I was a boy.  I used to go to cowboy movies where the Good Guy in the White Hat chased the Bad Guy in the Black Hat on horses up a hill.  Then the Good Guy would leap from his horse at the Bad Guy and they would roll over and over down the hill.

My politics are very simple.  I’m for the man on the bottom.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 1, 2009 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment

TD3:

It’s not legal mumbo-jumbo. You sound like the red-necks saying “Lettin’ ‘em off on technicalities”.  To which William Brennan replied: “Shame on you! They are not ‘technicalities’, they are the fabric of our freedom!”

And so this is the fabric of a fair and just way to repatriate those Palestinians who have a LEGITIMATE claim to citizenship in Israel. 

By YOUR idiotic definition I have a RIGHT to demand that Ukraine IMMEDIATELY grant me full citizenship and restore whatever property my fantasies claim was “stolen” from my grand-parents—without proof. They fled pogroms and political internal exile to Siberia.  I don’t see you fighting for MY “Right to Return”!  And they had to flee less than 40 years before Israel was created—LEGALLY by the SAME UN whom you, the hypocrite now claims is LEGITIMATE in demanding that Israel return to the pre ‘67 boundaries.

How can the SAME UN that you opine “illegally” created Israel have ANY legal status to demand a return to boundaries, or demand ANYTHING??????

I don’t expect this to get through..futile effort is simple, inescapable logic—which you will “escape”.

Damn straight! I’m not Ukrainian. I’m AMERICAN!

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By nefesh, July 1, 2009 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment

By truedigger3, July 1 at 8:06 pm #

ITW & Nefesh, 

You people pull on me legal mumbo jumbo, forgotting that the basis on which Israel is established is illegal and immoral....“legal mumbo jumbo”? LOL like what? “sovereignty? “non-starter”? “self-determination”? Israel is as legal as any sovereign nation, period. Her recognition by the UN, and her meeting all the norms that define sovereignty aren’t even an issue. LOL go sell your “illegal” and “immoral” BS over at the Hamas forum why dontcha…
The zionisits came from Europe and ethnic cleansed a big part of Palestine expelling the Palestinians and establishing Isreal in 1948....Israel is the historic, spiritual, cultural, and actual homeland of the Jewish people the world over, and the Zionists (read: supporters of the IDEA and the REALITY of the Jewish state) come from India, North and South America, Iran, many Arab states, South Africa, even a few from China, as well as Europe. Add to that list the Jews who have managed to avoid exile and have always lived in Israel…
So when the Arabs say let bygone be bygone and let us start from a clean slate from where the borders of 1967 were, that is A HUGE CONCESSION by itsself....except they’re not saying that, and if you actually believe they are then you are way out of your league handing out pronouncements the way you do…as if saying, in effect, “we won’t try to destroy you anymore” is a concession??? LMFAO putz…
The best of the jewish history was among the Arabs, specially in Spain when it was ruled by the Arabs, who some people call them MOORES....certainly way better then than now amongst the Arabs, but the best of Jewish history was in Israel, of course, before the foreign invasions and occupations, and exiles, and before that Mohammed invented Islam…Jewish life was usually as Dhimmi in Arab societies…not such a glorious way to live and you can understand that if you do some research - up to you, of course, stay ignorant and make your silly propaganda posts, or live and learn… Antisemitism is a a uniquely European phenominen....except for the rampant antisemitism in the Arab world, and in Malaysia, and in Bangladesh, and Pakistan, and other places as well, which makes European antisemitism not so unique, doesn’t it… The jews lived peacefully and proseperousy among the Arabs for a very long time....when they weren’t being persecuted and relegated to Dhimmi status, that is, and killed in pogroms or dispossessed and made refugees by the hundreds of thousands just for being Jews (1948 and 1949)... The trouble started when Israel was
created....which, of course, doesn’t explain the Hebron massacre of 1929, among others…
Why the Palestinians have to pay for the sins of Europe??!!...they don’t, and they aren’t…
I will not waste more of your time and my time.
PEACE....never happen if your naive ideas would ever be implemented… OVER AND OUT....as expected…

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By alr, July 1, 2009 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

What stalemate?? They are still building the settlements.

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By truedigger3, July 1, 2009 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

ITW & Nefesh,

You people pull on me legal mumbo jumbo, forgotting that the basis on which Israel is established is illegal and immoral.
The zionisits came from Europe and ethnic cleansed a big part of Palestine expelling the Palestinians and establishing Isreal in 1948.
So when the Arabs say let bygone be bygone and let us start from a clean slate from where the borders of 1967 were, that is A HUGE CONCESSION by itsself.
The best of the jewish history was among the Arabs, specially in Spain when it was ruled by the Arabs, who some people call them MOORES. Antisemitism is a a uniquely European phenominen. The jews lived peacefully and proseperousy among the Arabs for a very long time. The trouble started when Israel was
created.
Why the Palestinians have to pay for the sins of Europe??!!
I will not waste more of your time and my time.
PEACE. OVER AND OUT.

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By nefesh, July 1, 2009 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, July 1 at 5:24 pm #

Nefesh won’t agree with me but that’s OK.

Not so fast, ITW. I agree with just about everything you say. I’m almost tempted to ask why you thought I wouldn’t, but I won’t.  smile
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Of course, you [truedigger3] demand as a pre-condition that Israel return to pre-1967 lines and return the most sacred part of Jerusalem.  In other words, make all the MAJOR concessions before the negotiations begin and THEN see what the Arab side demands as concessions after….Think that’s gonna happen?

I certainly agree with that. That’s why the so-called Saudi Peace Plan is a total non-starter. It demands huge (actually, unworkable) concessions up-front before negotiations would even start. And it is doomed for other reasons that I can save for another thread.
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As for reparations, I think there needs to be simply a court where plaintiffs can sue for seized or stolen property to be returned or compensated.  The burden of proof will be on the plaintiffs to prove it was their land or property and that it is now NOT theirs and that the transfer was not consensual.

That’s fair. I agree with that, too.

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As for a “right to return”, well I think anyone born in what is now Israel has a right to APPLY for immediate citizenship, but they cannot have engaged in armed conflict against Israel. Anyone born outside of Israel of Israeli-born parents would be considered on a case-by-case basis for citizen.  But anyone born outside of Israel to parents born outside of Israel would have NO special right to citizenship or even consideration for citizenship. 

Well said. I agree.

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If 800,000 Arabs left in 1948, Israel could easily absorb those that wish to return.  Their children are another story and their grandchildren…well, I see them having NO rights whatsoever. Why should they?

It would depend on how many wanted to return, and how and where they would be absorbed. But in principle, yes, it could work.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 1, 2009 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

truedigger3, July 1 at 2:26 pm #

ITW,

Please don’t put words in my mouth I didn’t say. I didn’t say the jews should pack and leave Israel, or that 4 million Palestinians should return to Palestine. That is not feasible or practical.
I was just trying to give you some education and straighten some of your misconceptions about the M.E. and Israel since you are saturated by the zionist propoganda. But I admit, that is waste of time from my part, since you are brain washed with the Israeli bullshitting since you were a young kid.
O.k here what I think should happen to achieve REAL and LASTING peace in the M.E.
Israel should return to its pre 1967 borders and that include Jerusalem and the Golan Heigts. All the Israeli settlements in the west bank should be evacuted and the value of the buildings should be substracted from the future reparation to the Palestinians or their heirs who were driven out from Palestine by Israel.
Israel does not want 2 state solution. Israel wants to keep all the occupied lands. She is flushed with cash and state of the art weapons supplied by the only super power in the world and has its full backing. That is obvious to anyone with a single gram of common sense, but you have your zionist blinders coupled with too much spiked zionist kool-aid.

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Had you ever bothered to READ my posts you will see that your solution is not that far from mine—a 2-state solution.  Of course, you demand as a pre-condition that Israel return to pre-1967 lines and return the most sacred part of Jerusalem.  In other words, make all the MAJOR concessions before the negotiations begin and THEN see what the Arab side demands as concessions after….Think that’s gonna happen?

But that’s not what you’ve proposed before.  As for reparations, I think there needs to be simply a court where plaintiffs can sue for seized or stolen property to be returned or compensated.  The burden of proof will be on the plaintiffs to prove it was their land or property and that it is now NOT theirs and that the transfer was not consensual.

As for a “right to return”, well I think anyone born in what is now Israel has a right to APPLY for immediate citizenship, but they cannot have engaged in armed conflict against Israel. Anyone born outside of Israel of Israeli-born parents would be considered on a case-by-case basis for citizen.  But anyone born outside of Israel to parents born outside of Isreal would have NO special right to citizenship or even consideration for citizenship. 

If 800,000 Arabs left in 1948, Israel could easily absorb those that wish to return.  Their children are another story and their grandchildren…well, I see them having NO rights whatsoever. Why should they?

Property wrongly taken would be no different than property wrongly taken from Jews by the Nazis.  Same legal structures.

See, TD3, I HAVE thought about it.  And I AM realistic. Plus this isn’t the first time I’ve said this.

Nefesh won’t agree with me but that’s OK.

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By nefesh, July 1, 2009 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

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By truedigger3, July 1 at 2:26 pm #

O.k here what I think should happen to achieve REAL and LASTING peace in the M.E.
Israel should return to its pre 1967 borders

By way of example, Israel ethnically-cleansed ITSELF out of Gaza - there is not a single Jew left. (BTW - why is it OK for Israel to be home to more than one million Arabs, but Jews must be ethnically cleansed from even ancestral Jewish homelands? Nobody ever answers that question at Truthdig). The goal was for the Arabs of Gaza to take over responsibility for their won affairs, their own lives.

The Israeli public looks at what happened as a result of ceding territory and forcing Jews from their homes for absolutely nothing substantial or concrete in return except: incessant terror attacks from Gaza - horrific bombings at the Gaza-Israel crossings, thousands of missile and mortar attacks aimed at Israeli towns, Israeli farmers murdered by Hamas gunfire as they work the fields, attempted kidnappings (Gilad Shalit is still held incommunicado - not even the Red Cross is allowed to verify his condition three years on), and explicit threats of much worse to come.

What do you think the average Israeli thinks will come of ceding more territory after this dismal experience? Based on this recent experience, why do you demand Israeli citizens put their lives at certain risk when you ask nothing in return from those who put them at risk?

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By nefesh, July 1, 2009 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

By truedigger3, July 1 at 2:26 pm #

O.k here what I think should happen to achieve REAL and LASTING peace in the M.E.
Israel should return to its pre 1967 borders and that include Jerusalem and the Golan Heigts. All the Israeli settlements in the west bank should be evacuted and the value of the buildings should be substracted from the future reparation to the Palestinians or their heirs who were driven out from Palestine by Israel.

Your plan will never result in peace of any kind, let alone a lasting one. The so-called pre-‘67 lines were armistice lines, not borders, since all of Israel’s neighbors in May, 1967 did not recognize Israel and were still technically at war with her. There is no precedent of mutually-agreed upon international borders to return to. If you believe a simple return to the May 1967 armistice lines would satisfy Arab demands, you need explain why the Arabs forced this war in the first place. If the Arab front demanded and got war in 1967, why would they want peace now? You might also want to ask why, if Jordan was the sovereign power in Judea and Samaria AND East Jerusalem until June of 1967, and Egypt was the sovereign power in Gaza, did these occupying sovereign powers not grant the Palestinian Arabs independence instead of using those territories for launching attacks against Israeli civilians?

It is reasonable to infer from your statement that by a lasting peace, you mean with a secure and independent State of Israel with a Jewish majority, and that the Arabs have finally and formally declared an end, for all time, to the conflict. Period. I do not believe you can make any reasonable and rational argument that withdrawing from territory will achieve such a situation. It is naive, based on emotion and wishful thinking, and entirely unrealistic. A better place to start would be to ask why, in Palestinian Arab schools, their textbooks never show Israel on the maps. In other words, they are teaching the next generation to perpetuate the conflict by denying the very existence of what is a very real sovereign nation. You might also want to take into account the 900,000 Jews dispossessed and made refugees from their homes in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, and other Arab countries. Many of these Jews resettled and made new lives in Israel, and all of them are due compensation for the losses they suffered.

Finally, if you want your ideas on what constitutes a just peace, you might want to consider toning down your anti-zionist rhetoric. For you to advance an argument with a goal of real peace that envisions a secure and sovereign Jewish national homeland (the very essence of Zionism) and at the same time use that term as a pejorative is incoherent at best, and comes across as truly ugly and disingenuous, to say the least.

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By truedigger3, July 1, 2009 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

ITW,

Please don’t put words in my mouth I didn’t say. I didn’t say the jews should pack and leave Israel, or that 4 million Palestinians should return to Palestine. That is not feasible or practical.
I was just trying to give you some education and straighten some of your misconceptions about the M.E. and Israel since you are saturated by the zionist propoganda. But I admit, that is waste of time from my part, since you are brain washed with the Israeli bullshitting since you were a young kid.
O.k here what I think should happen to achieve REAL and LASTING peace in the M.E.
Israel should return to its pre 1967 borders and that include Jerusalem and the Golan Heigts. All the Israeli settlements in the west bank should be evacuted and the value of the buildings should be substracted from the future reparation to the Palestinians or their heirs who were driven out from Palestine by Israel.
Israel does not want 2 state solution. Israel wants to keep all the occupied lands. She is flushed with cash and state of the art weapons supplied by the only super power in the world and has its full backing. That is obvious to anyone with a single gram of common sense, but you have your zionist blinders coupled with too much spiked zionist kool-aid.

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By omop, July 1, 2009 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

Israeli soldiers of the only “democracy” and only “ally of the US” have reportedly
poured dirt, stones and toxic chemicals in the only well in the hamlet of Khirbat Makehl near the village of Ya’bad in the northern West Bank overnight on Saturday, according to Palestinians in the community.

The village’s official representative, Walid Hamdan, said soldiers riding in three military jeeps entered the community overnight and sabotaged the well. The chemicals caused the water to change color and taste, he said.

The 80 cubic-meter well is the only source of water for the village of 70 to 80 families, Hamdan said.

He also said that, since the village lies near the Israeli settlement of Hermesh, the armed guards of the settlement often harass and assault Palestinians, particularly herders who venture near the edges of the settlement. Israeli forces also sometimes close the road leading to the community, preventing deliveries of food.

Hamdan invited human rights organizations to visit the community to see the situation there and ultimately put pressure on Israel stop the abuses in the area. He said the situation is “unbearable,” and some of the local families have begun moving to nearby towns and cities because of these repeated attacks.

(AFP)

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By nefesh, July 1, 2009 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, July 1 at 11:24 am

Therefore the ONLY possibility short of slaughter is a negotiated 2 state solution.

I respectfully disagree. There ARE other possibilities way short of the slaughtering of 6 million Jewish Israelis, in fact, and may even happen by default if the Pal Arabs can’t get it together to make credible negotiating partners.

I am referring, of course, to some kind of two-part confederation: Judea and Samaria with Jordan, and Gaza with Egypt. I’ve seen it also referred to as the 3-state solution. Before you dismiss the idea off-hand, know that there are some very good reasons why, in the long run, this could work much better than any 2-state solution we can achieve now given the current state of Pal Arab politics. I would actually really like a chance to lay some of those reasons out for discussion if you are willing.

Just saying.

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By nefesh, July 1, 2009 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, July 1 at 11:24 am

Of COURSE I know that the Arab world isn’t a monolith. I also realize that without Israel as a uniting point they’d be at each other’s throats even more than they are.

But what would your Contingent do without Israel and the Zionists to blame? It would really get ugly, then, because they’d have to focus on some other hapless group to demonize - most likely a current member of the club. You know, when things get really desperate, they’ll start eating their own.
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As usual, like all of “The Contingent”, and as the slowest of them, you see all Israelis as devils to be destroyed and all Palestinians as sinless angels

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“Slowest of The Contingent” - OUCH

But your real point here is spot-on, and I would like to repeat a what I posted earlier, to echo and elaborate:

[your argument, ITW] punctures the infantile myth that the Arabs are the perpetual victims, and have no responsibilities or obligations, and that Jews supporting self-determination in Israel (read: Zionists, again) are, by their erroneous definition, evil colonial racist oppressors.  This childish axiom canonized by the Contingent is what makes them so irrelevant, in fact, to what’s going on in the real world.
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No, the Jews are there to stay unless you are advocating genocide.  Therefore the ONLY possibility short of slaughter is a negotiated 2 state solution.

The Contingent must have some special exemption to allow them to explicitly call for ethnic cleansing every time they suggest “moving Israel” somewhere else. It must be a special waiver, because they couldn’t possibly be sanctimonious hypocrites, right?

What’s even funnier is when they try and sound reasonable by criticizing, say, any Israeli policy which in their opinion makes a 2-state solution more difficult to achieve, they are themselves invoking and echoing the very essence of Zionism (see above and The Contingent’s misuse, either intentionally or not, of the term Zionist, and who are Zionists and why). It’s a wonderful thing to see them fall into their own loopholes of incoherence.

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truedigger3, July 1 at 6:06 am #

ITW,
In the world true murky politics, most of the times, things are not what they seem to be.
Believe me, you “don’t know dick” about the REAL situation and politics in the M.E, between the Arab states themselves, between the Arab states individually and Israel. The Arabs are not a monolethic entity. Each Arab state has its own circumstances and agenda that dictates a different policy toward Israel.
And of course, there is the huge elephant in the room, that is the “special relation” between the world only super-power and Israel and the massive aid and support that super-power gives to Israel.
You believe almost all of the Israeli lies without any critical thinking. Were you taught logic by Shenonymous?? or are you emotionaly blinded by your tribal, misguided and eventually harmful to the tribe loyality.??!!

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TD3, you are such a dogmatic dope it’s hard to know where to begin, or even if I should bother.  I mean, are you TOTALLY devoid of ANY ability to add 2 and 2 together to get 4???

Ridiculous! Of COURSE I know that the Arab world isn’t a monolith. I also realize that without Israel as a uniting point they’d be at each other’s throats even more than they are.

But I also know that various forces have armed, supplied and funded various military and para-miltary groups in the area, like Hezbollah and Hama, sometimes with fairly sophisticated weapons.

As for you usual scream about how the Evil Satan US and its Beelzebub, Israel are tainting the landscape—it’s just the same old unsupported shit.

As usual, like all of “The Contingent”, and as the slowest of them, you see all Israelis as devils to be destroyed and all Palestinians as sinless angels.  Your idea of what Israel should do is simply leave—pick up 5 million people and leave and go….somewhere.

And where would that be, please?  Where is the world habitable that isn’t inhabited?

No, the Jews are there to stay unless you are advocating genocide.  Therefore the ONLY possibility short of slaughter is a negotiated 2 state solution.

Or, are you one of those Pollyanna idiots who thinks that if Israel opens its doors to 4-6 million Palestinians they’ll come in and all will be peaceful, rather than wholesale slaughter taking place condoned by Fatwas?

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July 1, 2009

Israel Kidnaps Peace Boat Crew

Pirates of the Mediterranean

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

“On June 30, the government of Israel committed an act of piracy when the Israeli Navy in international waters illegally boarded the “Spirit of Humanity,” kidnapped its 21-person crew from 11 countries, including former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and Nobel Laureate Mairead MaGuire, and confiscated the cargo of medical supplies, olive trees, reconstruction materials, and children’s toys that were on the way to the Mediterranean coast of Gaza. The “Spirit of Humanity,” along with the kidnapped 21 persons, is being towed to Israel as I write.

Gaza has been described as the “world’s largest concentration camp.” It is home to 1.5 million Palestinians who were driven by force of American-supplied Israeli arms out of their homes, off their farms, and out of their villages so that Israel could steal their land and make the Palestinian land available to Israeli settlers.

What we have been witnessing for 60 years is a replay in modern times, despite the United Nations and laws strictly preventing Israel’s theft of Palestine, of the 17th, 18th, and 19th century theft of American Indian lands by US settlers. An Israeli government spokesman recently rebuked the President of the United States, a country, the Israeli said, who stole all of its land from Indians, for complaining about Israel’s theft of Palestine.

I knew the “Spirit of Humanity” would fall to Israeli piracy the minute I received on June 25 from an official of an Israeli peace organization a “public advisory” that the government of Cyprus had withheld permission for the “Spirit of Humanity” to leave for Gaza. The US State Department had advised that “The Israeli Foreign Ministry informed U.S. officials at the American Embassy in Tel Aviv that Israel still considers Gaza an area of conflict and that any boats attempting to sail to Gaza will not be permitted to reach its destination.” The “Spirit of Humanity” obtained permission to leave Cyprus when all aboard signed a waiver absolving Cyprus of all responsibility for the crew’s safety at the hands of the Israelis.

As President Obama has called for humanitarian aid to be sent to Gaza, and as the International Red Cross has damned the inhumanity of Israel’s blockade of Gaza, the question that immediately comes to mind is why did not the United States send sufficient US Navy escort to see the “Spirit of Humanity” safely through international waters to Gaza? We send ships against Somalian pirates, why not against Israeli ones?

We all know the answer. The US talks a good “human rights” game, but never delivers—especially if the human rights abuser is Israel. After all, Israel owns the US Congress and President Obama. Israel even has an Israeli citizen and former member of the Israeli Defense Forces as the Chief-of-Staff in Obama’s White House. Israel owns millions of American “Christian Zionists” and “rapture evangelicans.” When it comes to Israel, the American government is a puppet state. It does what it is told.

Macho Americans might stand tall, but not when Israel snaps its fingers.

Israel, of course, will get away with a mere act of piracy. After all, Israel has been getting away with its war crimes and violations of international law for 60 years. If the UN tries to do anything, the US will veto it, as the US has done for decades.

What will happen to the kidnapped foreign nationals? Most likely they will be released and sent back to their respective countries. Israel, of course, will keep the stolen “Spirit of Humanity” to foreclose any further attempts by human rights activists to run Israel’s inhumane blockade of Gaza.

On the other hand, Israel might declare its captives to be terrorists on the ground that the Gazans elected in a free election Hamas as their government.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts07012009.html

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By ardee, July 1, 2009 at 3:24 am Link to this comment

rd, nobody told me about the back wheels.  No wonder I couldn’t go straight.

Go forward not straight, even when going backwards. grin If you are hauling a 27’trailer all bets are off..they are squirrely!

One more tip, if the tire thingie doesn’t work for you. Put your hand on the bottom of the steering wheel, now the trailer will turn in the direction you move that hand.

You tend, rd,  to side with anti-Zionism rather than Zionism but you wobble toward the conventional.  the US is now in the historical process of distuignishing anti-semitism from anti-zionism.  I am a Jewish anti-zionist.  I side with anti-Zionists whether jewish or non-jewish against zionists, jewish or non-jewish.  We are basically on the same side, so try to shape up and not go all wishy washy and capitulate to liberalism.

Noone is always right, its a simple fact. I do appreciate the words, accurate in point of fact, of ITW re: my politics. Most issues are complex as hell and most solutions involve distasteful compromises. I am not always an ally of any side actually, only of the truth as I perceive it to be!

What you call wishy washy I call realism. I understand the mantra of always opposing the “enemy” regardless of what they say or do, but I do not subscribe to it. Israel is in the wrong, and as a nation claiming to democracy and peace that government must be opposed by every right thinking human on the planet.

But do you think those who equip and send out suicide bombers are in the right? Do you think those who purchase Katyushka rockets and encourage their use have the weight of truth and justice either? The Palestinian People are being martyred , not only by Israeli policies of expansionism, but by the Arab world as well, to their own designs.

If we wish to find solutions we must first start by finding common ground, even if that search is distasteful to us.

May I ask where you learned your politics.  I organized in the Teamsters union but the semi drivers were usually not very political.

My political life began upon my return from Viet Nam and my engagement with the antiwar movement, though it might be said that the seeds were sown as a college Freshman in ‘61 when a group of American Humanists from U. of Michigan traveled to D.C. to engage in a ban the bomb demonstration in front of the White House and marched to Arlington. Maybe Ill repeat that tale of awakening for you some day but I do not wish to bore folks….

I am currently a member of the IBEW but I was a Teamster ,local 65, many years earlier. I always engage in political organization, and among the blue collar workers, whether Teamster or Steelworker or Utility Worker the message needs be couched in terms they can relate to, perhaps that is your problem, FT, relating to the world view of the blue collar crowd. ( no insult intended, it is a learned skill).

Unions tend to be allies of the Democratic Party, but the rank and file are increasingly Republicans, though perhaps that is changing a bit due to the wrong reasons, I.E. the cult of Obama. Most wave the flag, most subscribe to “my country right or wrong”, and most buy into the myth of American superiority, and rather vehemently at that.

Until you have been speaking to a large crowd of large and dirty guys you cannot appreciate the need for subtlety in making points. We have a terrific opportunity now, given the way pensions are jeopardized, homes are foreclosed, jobs are increasingly uncertain. Formerly convinced and rigid ideologues have doubt creeping in to their world view now and I am finding more receptive audiences all the time. This is a great opportunity, one we should not fail to capitalize upon, especially with the wrong techniques.

I hope to continue to dialogue with you on this and related subjects, landsmann….

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By truedigger3, July 1, 2009 at 3:06 am Link to this comment

ITW,

In the world true murky politics, most of the times, things are not what they seem to be.
Believe me, you “don’t know dick” about the REAL situation and politics in the M.E, between the Arab states themselves, between the Arab states individually and Israel. The Arabs are not a monolethic entity. Each Arab state has its own circumstances and agenda that dictates a different policy toward Israel.
And of course, there is the huge elephant in the room, that is the “special relation” between the world only super-power and Israel and the massive aid and support that super-power gives to Israel.
You believe almost all of the Israeli lies without any critical thinking. Were you taught logic by Shenonymous?? or are you emotionaly blinded by your tribal, misguided and eventually harmful to the tribe loyality.??!!

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By Robert, June 30, 2009 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

June 30, 2009

Storm Over Dr. Blachar

Israeli Doctors Collude in Torture

By JONATHAN COOK

Nazareth.

“Israel’s watchdog body on medical ethics has failed to investigate evidence that doctors working in detention facilities are turning a blind eye to cases of torture, so Israeli human rights groups charge.

The Israeli Medical Association (IMA) has ignored repeated requests to examine such evidence, the rights groups say, even though it has been presented with examples of Israeli doctors who have broken their legal and ethical duty towards Palestinians in their care.

The accusations will add fuel to a campaign backed by hundreds of doctors from around the world to force Yoram Blachar, who heads the IMA, to step down from his recent appointment as president of the World Medical Association (WMA).

More than 700 doctors have signed a petition arguing that Dr Blachar has disqualified himself from leadership of the WMA, the profession’s governing ethical body, by effectively condoning torture in Israel.

The campaign against Dr Blachar has gained ground rapidly since his appointment as president in November. Critics said his alleged complicity in the use of torture in Israeli detention facilities can be traced to 1995, when he became chairman of the IMA.

Until 1999, when Israel’s Supreme Court restricted torture, Israeli doctors routinely supervised the medical treatment of abused detainees, mostly Palestinians from the occupied territories.

During that period Dr Blachar surprised many colleagues by expressing support for Israeli interrogators’ use of “moderate physical pressure” in a letter to The Lancet, the British medical journal. The phrase covers a wide range of practices from beatings and binding prisoners in painful positions to sleep deprivation. It is regarded by human rights organisations as a euphemism for torture.

Despite the 1999 court ruling, a coalition of 14 Israeli human rights groups known as United Against Torture concluded in its latest annual report in November that Israeli detention facilities are still using torture systematically. Israeli doctors are also being relied on to treat the resulting injuries.

Last week, Physicians for Human Rights and the Public Committee against Torture in Israel published a joint report examining hundreds of arrests in which Palestinians were bound in “distorted and unnatural” ways to inflict “pain and humiliation” amounting to torture.

The report cited instances where prisoners, including a pregnant woman and a dying man, were shackled while doctors carried out emergency procedures in a hospital.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/cook06302009.html

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By Inherit The Wind, June 30, 2009 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther, June 30 at 8:53 pm #

Both sides are human, Inherit?  What did you suppose we thought they were, dolphins?  One side is the oppressor, the other side is the oppressed.  One side uses force and fraud to oppress, the other side to resist oppression.
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Now there’s the moronic FT I know and whup up ‘side the head! (As they say Down South). No. Each side thinks the other is sub-human or satanic demons, you twit!

It may be as simple in YOUR mind as “oppressor/oppressed” but your “oppressed” have been funded and armed for YEARS by the oil wealth of their fellow Arabs, as the US funded forces in Afghanistan, El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc.  The “oppressed” have been the pawns of others for 60 years.

Plus, Einstein, peace won’t happen unless Syria and other Arab states join in, and I got new for you: a) they ain’t the “oppressed” and b) they have for a long time seen Israelis as non-human satanic demons.

BTW, I LIKE dolphins. I’ve swum with them a couple of times and they are like dogs, only a lot smarter.  And they don’t crap on the carpet.

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TD3, you may be right that I have fallen for Inherit’s trickery and sophistry.  I tend to be gullible.  on the other hand, he is favor of Obama pressuring the Israeli’s by reducing their aid.  that is the central point, in my opinion.  If Zionists insisted on sanctions by the US for a two state solution, the present horrors would not exist.  They don’t; Inherit does.  Diabolical, admitedly, as he is.
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OK, I admit it: I how disavow ANY belief in God somehow made a pact with the Devil…But since YOU, FT, don’t believe in God or the Devil anymore than I do—-I might as well have signed on with The Great Pumpkin….

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rd, nobody told me about the back wheels.  No wonder I couldn’t go straight.
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It’s called LOGIC—try using it. When backing your car, you know if you turn your wheels to the left, the back of the car goes left.  THEREFORE a trailer will go right instead.  Try a flat-bed U-Haul next time attached to a car or pickup.

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You tend, rd,  to side with anti-Zionism rather than Zionism but you wobble toward the conventional.  the US is now in the historical process of distuignishing anti-semitism from anti-zionism.  I am a Jewish anti-zionist.  I side with anti-Zionists whether jewish or non-jewish against zionists, jewish or non-jewish.  We are basically on the same side, so try to shape up and not go all wishy washy and capitulate to liberalism.

May I ask where you learned your politics.  I organized in the Teamsters union but the semi drivers were usually not very political. I helped start TDU.
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RD has that kind of thing you struggle with, FT. It’s why you are so baffled by my arguments and figure it must be satanic.  It’s not. RD is an INDEPENDENT THINKER, as am I and Shingo, as well as some others.

You have troubles with that…you attach a label and then your code-book tells “Person A with Label B thinks such-and-such on issue such-and-such”.  So you are thrown completely out of whack when someone actually exercises their brain, challenges their own premises, and comes to conclusions that deviate what your code-book and label SAY they should think.

Then you just make shit up about me again as usual…Excuse my while I join my son watching BSG DVDs (the 2nd version with EJ Olmos). I need something to exercise my brain more than this thread is doing—Junk TV has got to be better.

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By Folktruther, June 30 at 8:53 pm #

“Both sides are human, Inherit?  What did you suppose we thought they were, dolphins?  One side is the oppressor, the other side is the oppressed.  One side uses force and fraud to oppress, the other side to resist oppression.”
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Folktruther, I really keep enjoying your warrior spirit for truth and justice.

This last piece has in it some sarcasm and simple truths that simply made me confused about whether to laugh or to cry. Some times one has to repeat basic hard facts and simple truths so that certain people with claim to understanding realize how far off the mark they are!

Keep up the good word, and may you live a long healthy life to see the fruits of your struggle!

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By Arabian Sinbad, June 30, 2009 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment
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Here in links to three articles you wouldn’t read in the mainstream media, nor even on Truthdig. They are good readings for anyone interested in getting educated on the Truth!
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Israel’s Man Of Conscience
By Ezra Nawi

http://www.countercurrents.org/nawi300609.htm

“The author is going to prison—for peacefully resisting settler and army violence against West Bank Palestinians and the illegal expropriation of their land…”

Israeli Doctors Colluding In Torture
By Jonathan Cook

http://www.countercurrents.org/cook300609.htm

“Israel’s watchdog body on medical ethics has failed to investigate evidence that doctors working in detention facilities are turning a blind eye to cases of torture, according to Israeli human rights groups…”

 

America’s War With Muslim Nations
By Ghali Hassan

http://www.countercurrents.org/hassan300609.htm

“According to U.S. leaders and their Zionist handlers, the term “extremist” is any nation or movement resisting U.S.-Israel domination and murderous ideology is defamed and deemed extremist. Whether in Afghanistan, in Iraq or in Pakistan, the extremists are part of the U.S. strategy to justify war of aggression…”

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By Folktruther, June 30, 2009 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

Both sides are human, Inherit?  What did you suppose we thought they were, dolphins?  One side is the oppressor, the other side is the oppressed.  One side uses force and fraud to oppress, the other side to resist oppression.

TD3, you may be right that I have fallen for Inherit’s trickery and sophistry.  I tend to be gullible.  on the other hand, he is favor of Obama pressuring the Israeli’s by reducing their aid.  that is the central point, in my opinion.  If Zionists insisted on sanctions by the US for a two state solution, the present horrors would not exist.  They don’t; Inherit does.  Diabolical, admitedly, as he is.

rd, nobody told me about the back wheels.  No wonder I couldn’t go straight. 

You tend, rd,  to side with anti-Zionism rather than Zionism but you wobble toward the conventional.  the US is now in the historical process of distuignishing anti-semitism from anti-zionism.  I am a Jewish anti-zionist.  I side with anti-Zionists whether jewish or non-jewish against zionists, jewish or non-jewish.  We are basically on the same side, so try to shape up and not go all wishy washy and capitulate to liberalism.

May I ask where you learned your politics.  I organized in the Teamsters union but the semi drivers were usually not very political. I helped start TDU.

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By Robert, June 30, 2009 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

Headlines for June 30, 2009


Ahead of US Meeting, Israel Annexes New West Bank Land, Announces New Settlement Construction

“The Israeli government has announced plans to expropriate a new swath of the occupied West Bank. Israel says it will take fifty-four square miles of Palestinian land, including shoreline near the Dead Sea. Palestinians will have forty-five days to contest the seizure in an Israeli court. A Palestinian cabinet minister called the move Israel’s single largest land takeover since it occupied the West Bank and Gaza in the 1967 war. The Israeli government, meanwhile, has authorized the construction of new homes in the West Bank settlement of Adam. The building plans are the latest in Israel’s rejection of President Obama’s call to stop settlement expansion. They come on the eve of Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak’s visit to Washington for talks with US officials. Obama has so far refused to apply any meaningful pressure on Israel, including the suspension of billions of dollars in annual US aid.”


http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/30/headlines#8

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By nefesh, June 30, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, June 30 at 8:41 am

I, OTOH, recognize that BOTH sides are human with human failings and a history of sometimes being in the Right and sometimes being in the Wrong.  I, unlike dogmatic didactics, realize that negotiations can ONLY take place when both sides realize this, that the other side is human too.

And that is why you are the Uppity Jew (read: Zionist) to your Contingent, because it punctures the infantile myth that the Arabs are the perpetual victims, and have no responsibilities or obligations, and that Jew supporting self-determination in Israel (read: Zionists, again) are, by their erroneous definition, evil colonial racist oppressors.  This childish axiom canonized by the Contingent is what makes them so irrelevant, in fact, to what’s going on in the real world.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 30, 2009 at 5:41 am Link to this comment

It’s so funny how members of “The Contingent” react when they think one of their own has gone “off the reservation”.

Look at the clown Truedigger3 trying to warn Folktruther against my evil satanic powers of seduction and persuasion!  Oh, if only I had those powers when I was young, slim and single!

Like FT needs to be cautioned about me by the wise TD3….RIIIIIGHHHHTTTT!

Then, using a typical technique of “TC” he changes my words to make it sound different. LIAR! 

I have openly advocated the President and Congress bringing our substantial influence to bear on Netanyahu’s government to get them to negotiate with the other side IN GOOD FAITH. I advocate reducing both our financial and military aid to pressure them in an escalating fashion, not the moronic “Cut off all aid now!” stupidity.  (If you cut off everything, you have nothing to negotiate with, you dummies!)

Of course, TD3 is so warped that he sees all the Arabs and everyone opposing Israel as wearing halos and incapable of lying, cheating, stealing, or negotiating in bad faith.  And—of course, the demonic, horn-wearing Israelis are just the opposite.

I, OTOH, recognize that BOTH sides are human with human failings and a history of sometimes being in the Right and sometimes being in the Wrong.  I, unlike dogmatic didactics, realize that negotiations can ONLY take place when both sides realize this, that the other side is human too.

As for the Virgin666:  He/She likes to drop un-instigated toads attacking people ad hominem then whines we are bullies when we respond in kind. Plus, “Ginny” rarely, if ever, has any IDEAS to contribute—even TD3 contributes more than he/she does.

Don’t dish out what you cannot take!  Basic sand-box/Kindergarten morality. 

Or, as the Christians put it “Do not unto others what you would not have them do unto you!”

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By ardee, June 30, 2009 at 3:30 am Link to this comment

Folktruther, June 29 at 10:49 pm #

Reasoned and insightful encapsulation, RD?  gosh.  Now if I could only back up a semi straight, my life would be complete.  It took me forty minuites one time to back it into the truck dock.

I am entitled to an opinion,FT, and I gave it, just as you are entitled to yours. I understand that you two have a history that long predates my arrival here but that is not my problem, it is yours. I am in no way sharing either ITW’s views or yours, I have my own. But I give credit where it is due and criticize that which I feel needs it. Sometimes I think that just a name on the top of a post earns criticism, regardless of content.

As to backing a tractor trailer, look at the rearmost wheel on the drivers side; if you can see the wheel steer towards it, if you cannot see it steer away from it. All corrections small and slow.

Inherit is different from the other Zionists in that he still has some respect for truth and decency.  He more nearly resembles the Jewish community, and my relatives, only he is smarter.  But he has grown up on a corrupt American and Zionist mainstream truth, so he could go either way.  He has never attacked Zionist drivel to my knowledge.

All sounds worthy of praise, no? We cannot expect all to share our own beliefs now can we?

I wish you would both stop attacking Virgina.  Not everybody is at the same level of sophistication and it is pointless to respond to every little thing.

I have never, not once, initiated an attack on that poor benighted, and quite possibly unfit poster, not once ( OK just now wink ) Look at the record and you will find that my “attacks” are always defensive in nature. I always treat politeness with the same.
I have and will continue to respond IN KIND. Virginia flies all over this forum attacking at random and with no consistency, His ( her, its?) efforts are worthy of ignoring excepting that I do not ignore personal attacks, her trademark and my flaw.

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By truedigger3, June 30, 2009 at 2:20 am Link to this comment

Folktruther wrote:
“Inherit is different from the other Zionists in that he still has some respect for truth and decency.”
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Folktruther,

ITW is no different of any other zionists, secular or otherwise. You have been partially taken in by his sophistry and cleverness which I admit, I too, sometimes temporarily, fell victim to it.
The latest example of his sophistry, e.g. bull-shitting, which I temporarily fell for it, is his call for ALL parties in the conflict to negotiate in good faith to reach a TRUE peace, whick I say “fine and dandy”. Then he says that will never happen because the leaders of both the Arab/Palestinian side and the Israeli side are using the conflict for their political advantage.
That is not true for the Arab/Palestinian side.
Egypt and Jordan negotiated and had a peace treaty with Israel. Saudi Arabia and the rest of the other Arab countries expressed their willingness to sign a peace treaty with Israel if it goes back behind its 1967 borders with some minor modifications.
The only problem now, is that Israel wants to keep the west bank and the Gollan heights. So, no matter what the Syrians and Palestinians offer of many concessions and apparent good well and faith, it is to no avail, from the Oslo agreement to the road map to this and to that, Israel always reneged on its promises, and sometimes on signed agreements, for example the Oslo agreement.
The only solution, is that Israel has to be pressured and dragged, with its arms flailing, to sign a peace treaty with the Palestinians and Syrians by the US, which for now, will never happen.

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By Folktruther, June 29, 2009 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

Reasoned and insightful encapsulation, RD?  gosh.  Now if I could only back up a semi straight, my life would be complete.  It took me forty minuites one time to back it into the truck dock.

Inherit is different from the other Zionists in that he still has some respect for truth and decency.  He more nearly resembles the Jewish community, and my relatives, only he is smarter.  But he has grown up on a corrupt American and Zionist mainstream truth, so he could go either way.  He has never attacked Zionist drivel to my knowledge.

I wish you would both stop attacking Virgina.  Not everybody is at the same level of sophistication and it is pointless to respond to every little thing.

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By Robert, June 29, 2009 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

Does Israel Mistreat Palestinian Child Prisoners?

By Tim McGirk / Jerusalem

June 29, 2009 “Time”—“Walid Abu Obeida, a 13-year old Palestinian farm boy from the West Bank village of Ya’abad, had never spoken to an Israeli until he rounded a corner at dusk carrying his shopping bags and found two Israeli soldiers waiting with their rifles aimed at him. “They accused me of throwing stones at them,” recounts Walid, a skinny kid with dark eyes. “Then one of them smacked me in the face and my nose started bleeding.”

According to Walid, the two soldiers blindfolded and handcuffed him, dragged him to a jeep and drove away. All that his family would know about their missing son was that his shopping bags with meat and rice for that evening’s dinner were found in the dusty road near an olive grove. Over the course of several days in April last year, the boy says he was moved from an army camp to a prison where he was crammed into a cell with five other children, cursed at and humiliated by the guards, and beaten by his interrogator until he confessed to stone-throwin.

Walid says he saw his parents for only five seconds when he was brought before an Israeli military court and accused by the uniformed prosecutor not only of throwing stones but of “striking an Israeli officer.” The military judge ignored the latter charge and chose to prosecute Walid only for allegedly heaving a stone at soldiers.

The boy got off lightly: he spent 28 days in prison and was fined 500 shekels. (aproximately $120.) Under Israeli military law, which prevails in the Palestinian territories, the crime of throwing a stone at an Israeli solider, or even at the monolithic 20-ft high “security barrier” enclosing much of the West Bank, can carry a maximum 20-year jail sentence. Since 2000, according to the Palestinian Ministry for Prisoner Affairs, more than 6,500 children have been arrested, mostly for hurling rocks.

Walid’s story is hardly unusual judging from a report on the Israeli military justice system in the West Bank compiled by the Palestine office of the Geneva-based Defense for Children International (D.C.I.), which works closely with the United Nations and European states. Human rights groups in Israel and elsewhere have also condemned the punishment meted out to Palestinian children by Israeli military justice. Most onerous, says Sarit Michaeli from the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem, is that inside the territories, the Israeli military deems any Palestinian who is 16 years and older as an adult, while inside Israel, the U.S. and most other countries, adulthood is reached at age 18.

The report states that “the ill-treatment and torture” of Palestinian child prisoners “appears to be widespread, systematic and institutionalized, suggesting complicity at all levels of the political and military chain of command.” The group’s director, Rifaat Kassis, says that the number of child arrests rose sharply in the last six months, possibly because of a crackdown on Palestinian protests in the West Bank in the aftermath of Israel’s military offensive in Gaza.

The Geneva organization’s report alleges that under Israeli military justice, it is the norm for children to be interrogated by the Israeli police and army without either a lawyer or a family member present, and that most of their convictions are due to confessions extracted during interrogation sessions or from “secret evidence,” usually tip-offs from unnamed Palestinian informers. If so, the practice may violate the U.N. Convention against Torture which Israel ratified in 1991. In response to TIME’s queries, a lawyer for the Israeli Defense Forces (I.D.F.) said that under “security legislation” and Israel’s interpretation of international law, no lawyer or relative need be present during a child’s interrogation.”


http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22940.htm

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“ardee, June 29 at 3:25 pm #

Inherit The Wind, June 29 at 11:27 am #


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Not by me at least for this post.  FT is actually coming closer to being logical and sensible in this and a couple of other posts than I remember him.


.........Never implied it would be you. Contrary to popular opinion I think your posts pretty accurate, mostly anyway, and who am I to judge sarcasm and biting repartee?
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By Spiritgirl, June 29, 2009 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

It is about time that the US stopped allowing the theft of Palestinian lands!  If the Israeli’s refuse to negotiate in good faith, then it’s time to divest period!  No foreign aid, no more ammunition, nothing!  Why is it that the Palestinians must concede everything and Israel concedes nothing, enough!  It is time for Israel to learn to live with her neighbors in peace - stop violating UN sanctions, return to the 1967 borders, stop trying to control another people!  Stop insisting your way or nothing at all!  It is past time that the US stop enabling the Israeli’s in this behavior, the line must be drawn somewhere and now is the time!

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By Robert, June 29, 2009 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

$2.775 Billion in US Aid Supports Israeli Nuclear Weapons Program

By Grant F. Smith


6/29/09 “Online Journal”-  “President Barak Obama’s fiscal year 2010 budget request for $2.775 billion in military aid to Israel is proceeding smoothly through the Congress.

On 6/17, the House Appropriations Subcommittee on State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs held a “mark-up” session on the budget. The subcommittee came under pressure from an antiwar group that sought to suspend or condition foreign aid over Israel’s use of US weapons which left 3000 Palestinians dead during the Bush administration. The subcommittee held its session in a tiny Capitol room denying activists and members of the press access. The budget quickly passed and is now before the full House Appropriations Committee.

Israel enjoys “unusually wide latitude in spending the [military assistance] funds,” according to the Wall Street Journal.

Unlike other recipients that must go through the Pentagon, Israel deals directly with US military contractors for almost all of its purchases. This gives the US based Israel lobby, particularly the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), an influence multiplier on Capitol Hill. Large contractors proactively segment military contracts across key congressional districts to make them harder to oppose. As contactors and local business interests fight for Israel’s favor, AIPAC can turn away from shepherding the massive aid package to dedicate considerable resources toward Iran sanctions.

Representative Mark Steven Kirk (R-Ill) sponsored an amendment to the foreign operations bill that would prevent the Export-Import Bank of the United States from providing loan guarantees to companies selling refined petroleum to Iran. According to the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Kirk is the top 2008 recipient of Israel political action committee (PAC) contributions (PDF). Kirk received $91,200 in the 2008 election cycle and more than $221,000 over his career.

Kirk’s AIPAC sponsored sanctions legislation passed the House Appropriations Committee on June 23. While tactically positioned as a rebuke to the crackdown on Iranian election protesters, the measure is only the most recent of strategic long-term AIPAC sponsored sanctions against Iran’s nuclear program.

Israel contends Iran is secretly developing nuclear weapons under the auspices of a civilian program, though no hard evidence has emerged. However, an illicit nuclear arsenal in the region has been positively identified.

The US Army (PDF), former President Jimmy Carter, and Assist. Secretary of State Rose Gottemoeller have all recently confirmed that the only country in the Middle East that has deployed nuclear weapons is Israel. The Symington and Glenn amendments to foreign aid law specifically prohibit US aid to nuclear states outside the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT). Iran has signed. Israel hasn’t.

Congress can’t have it both ways on taxpayer funded sanctions and rewards. If gasoline imports indirectly support Iran’s nuclear ambitions, then $2.775 billion in cash for conventional US weapons and military technology clearly allows Israel to spend other resources on the development and deployment of its illicit nuclear arsenal.

Recently released CIA files long ago forecast that such an arsenal would not only make Israel more “assertive” but also reluctant to engage in bona fide peace initiatives. Cutting the massive and indirect US subsidization of nukes and forcing Israel to sign the NPT would go further in averting a nuclear arms race and conflicts in the region than targeting Iranian consumers at the gas pump. It would also demonstrate to the American public that the president and Congress, even under the pressure of AIPAC, won’t blatantly violate US foreign aid laws by publicly pretending Iran—rather than Israel—is the region’s nuclear hegemon.”


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22938.htm

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By tahitifp, June 29, 2009 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

I consider most pols yahoos.  I use the word in a generic sense.  grin

So to be clear, any American pol, especially many of those of late could be yahoo, to be distinguished from BiBi, who is Yahu!  grin

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By ardee, June 29, 2009 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, June 29 at 11:27 am #


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Not by me at least for this post.  FT is actually coming closer to being logical and sensible in this and a couple of other posts than I remember him.


.........Never implied it would be you. Contrary to popular opinion I think your posts pretty accurate, mostly anyway, and who am I to judge sarcasm and biting repartee?

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By Inherit The Wind, June 29, 2009 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

Tahiti:

You misunderstand: “Yahoo” is short for “What-a-Yahoo”, aka Netanyahu.

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By tahitifp, June 29, 2009 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

ITW wrote”

So, in fact, FT and I are NOT very far apart on this. We both believe the current govt of Israel will lead that nation down a black hole.  On that we agree.”

Of course, if that happens, whatever yahoo is prez here will let us be pulled into the black hole too.

The present policy of both countries is not only counter-productive to both,but likely headed for disaster.  How is is possible this is not seen?  Hubris?  Hatred?  Revenge? Nationalism? Corporate war profits?  All of the above?

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By Inherit The Wind, June 29 at 11:27 am #,

I am baffled and suprised. ITW is making very good sense, and not reverting to his usual skillful sophistry.
It is a good start and I am very encouraged.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 29, 2009 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

ardee, June 29 at 7:57 am #

Folktruther, June 29 at 4:00 am

I just gotta applaud this reasoned and inciteful encapsulation. Of course you will more than likely be attacked for it, but that has become, not only a badge of honor, but a significant clue to your being correct.
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Not by me at least for this post.  FT is actually coming closer to being logical and sensible in this and a couple of other posts than I remember him.

Remember: I WANT the State of Israel to succeed and I WANT it to be an integral and vital part of the economy in the region.  But I see the Yahoo faction and govt as the most dangerous threat to that goal because they are going for greater Biblical Judea.  The disingenuous of the Yahoo govt is, to me both embarrassing and dangerous, not just to Israel, but to Jews around the world.

I don’t know if it’s 20 years or 60 years till doomsday but unless the Yahoos are forced out and a TRUE negotiated peace is worked out, win or lose, Israel will be forced to fight a horrific war for its survival—and we all know what will be unleashed then.

So, in fact, FT and I are NOT very far apart on this. We both believe the current govt of Israel will lead that nation down a black hole.  On that we agree.

I’m reminded of two sort of similar post-cold war stories:  Of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.  Both had similar choices and the difference in their choices was tragic.  The first peacefully separated in the Czech Republic and Slovakia.  There are some issues between them but both sought a Western-style democracy and were admitted to the EU where they can live in peace and, hopefully, prosper—at least more than before.  Yugoslavia chose civil war, border conflicts, “ethnic cleansing” (where that phrase became known to common usage) and disaster from which they are still recovering.

So…you can choose peace, compromise and prosperity, or you can wave the bloody flag and sink your people into war and deprivation. 

Both sides have consistently picked the latter because of a lack of leaders with courage to put down the bloody banner.  The last Jew with that courage was shot by Torah Orthodox extremist—a terrorist.

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By Arabian Sinbad, June 29, 2009 at 6:24 am Link to this comment
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Yes, Truthdig censors, like everyone else. A comment I made three days ago never saw the light of the day!

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By ardee, June 29, 2009 at 4:57 am Link to this comment

Folktruther, June 29 at 4:00 am

I just gotta applaud this reasoned and inciteful encapsulation. Of course you will more than likely be attacked for it, but that has become, not only a badge of honor, but a significant clue to your being correct.

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By Folktruther, June 29, 2009 at 1:00 am Link to this comment

You leave out of your account CJ, the progress of history.  When the US and the other powers were ethnic cleansing America, the West was on the way up historically, its weapons formed by the new introduction of capitalism and new social forms.

Now the West is on the way down, its world power decreasing rapidly, by the year, and the world’s people are gaining economic and other power at the expense of the West.  Time is on side of the Arabs and Muslims.  If the settlers are settled by violence and brutality, and in twenty years the Palestinians have better weapons while Israel’s sponsor, the US, continues to decay, then they will feel justified in destroying Israel.  And who could blame them?

But Israel could make themselves useful to the Arabs, since they possess the West’s scientiifc and insdustrial skills.  This is why the Protestant countries welcomed the Jews when the feudal Catholic countries expelled them.  And they prspered while the fedual countries decayed.

But the US has embarked on a War on Islam to steal their oil.  And the US needs a military post in the MidEast.  So they encourage Zionist lemmings, who have the same intellectual capacity has the fundamentalist loonies on the right, to support an obviously sucidal policy.  And anyone who says it is sucicidal is anti-Semitic in the lemming lexicon.

So Israel is led by Ziofascists followed by Zionist lemmings, running full speed toward the cliff of history.  Morally insensitive, political stupid, historically insane.  A tiny country that tries to survive by defying the whole world militarily.  Justifying the unjustifiable, rationalizing the irrational, humanizing the inhuman. A demented leadership following a demented policy.

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By CJ, June 28, 2009 at 10:28 pm Link to this comment

Israel—governments and most citizens—has only followed American historical example. Occupation isn’t simply occupation for purposes of “national security.” But long-term project. In Israel’s case strikingly parallel to long-term American project: first to occupy and then to possess forever—also by “settling” the believed unsettled—what was territory that was just down home to peoples/nations already present. Same happened in what became Central and South americas, except colonizers were Spanish and Portuguese, as opposed to French and English busy to the north.

Many treaties were agreed to and then signed between overwhelmingly powerful U.S. Government and various Indian nations and isolated tribes. None actually adhered to by the U.S. Government. Natives were hustled off to places called, “reservations,” which though deemed autonomous never were, and never will be. Not even talk of reparations, and none left to return. Going on near 150 years. (Since so-called “Indian Wars.”) Sixty years in the case of Israel. About half-way there by U.S. measure. Another 60 years should see the job finished for Palestinians. Not long really. Albeit, the world’s a little more complicated (and well nuked) now than then.

So-called Native Americans fought back too. Tried to, and also were condemned for doing so. Crazy Horse was a “terrorist.” As were Geronimo and Sitting Bull.

Imagine now the uprooting of millions of us “settlers” so as to return lands to already extent nations long before the arrival of white man and woman? Absurd. Preposterous. Ludicrous. Impossible. (Would Sarkozy had been around then to talk crap.)

Lieberman might be Custer reincarnated. Except worse. Would he have Arab citizens of the state wear armbands bearing crescents? So as to more readily identify potential subversives? He even talks of lebensraum—“add rooms.” Where have we heard that kind of talk before?

While the ridiculous Sarkozy talks a cheap line. Does he have a plan? So much as a single thought? Other than refusing to “accept Israeli subterfuges”? Which, of course, he will accept.

Exactly as Obama has and will. Just this past Friday—during press conference featuring Angela Merkel (slightly ironically)—he once again stated official U.S. line: Blah, blah…Palestinians must renounce violence…recognize State of Israel…etc., etc.

Reportedly, there was some minimal possibility of arriving at agreement at Taba where talks were conducted. Though one would have been right to remain highly skeptical—given obvious long-term project on the part of Israeli state. (One might just as well have placed faith in talks between Chief Joseph [peacenik] and Oliver Howard.) Both Labor and various conservative governments of Israel have found ways to walk away. Assisted by American mega-media (and pols who pander to same) that’s long propagated myth claiming only Palestinians ever sandbag “peace talks.”

The profoundest error is for any average citizen of any state in the world to think that those who claim to lead them have more in mind than their own interest: the ongoing accrual of personal wealth and power. For their sponsors too, of course. Everything in the way of talk and action merely means to those ends. Reality is geo-political economic, as well understood by any and every ruling class in human history. Government—if it wasn’t always—has become not much more than criminal enterprise, as evidenced most every day atop Capitol Hill, where “bipartisanship” really is to the benefit of those who occupy the joint, and so of course more important than anyone else or anything else. At least by morality inherent to what (outcast) Tom Paine means in “The Age Of Reason.” Which “age” is long past. Assuming it ever was, which I doubt ever was.

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By KDelphi, June 28, 2009 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther—Youre right, I think. All the ones that a “trusted family member” (cant say Jewish family member, I guess, or I’m Hebrew-baiting or something, nefesh?? lol—)referred me to are moved(the ones I gave, I just found)..they just keep closing them and they re-open them. My “trusted family member” says that, if you can post them easily, they might be Zionist sponsored or just bullcrap…

He has a site through his office at the university, that runs pieces against Zionism sometimes, but, as a prof, he has to watch whether he puts his name on them, and, they even come down sometimes…!! He also wrote a book that he has since had to remove hid name from, so I had better not give the title…this is ridiculous, no? Gawd, books that cant be “authored” sites that are “taken down”, links that wont be posted….and it wil go even further—-see below…

Everybody:

This is off topic, but, a School of the Americas-trained Gerneral just helped pull off a military coup in Honduras. There is as petition to send to Obama, in case anyone is interesteed.

I wonder what this will do to out “new diplomatic relations” with Vemezuela..if Obama plans neo-0liberal “aid”, it would be better for Venezuela if we do not have diplomatic relations…

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/727/t/3823/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27531

Military Coup in Honduras
A military coup has taken place in Honduras this morning (Sunday, June 28), led by School of the Americas (SOA) graduate Romeo Vasquez. In the early hours of the day, members of the Honduran military surrounded the presidential palace and forced the democratically elected president, Manuel Zelaya, into custody. He was immediately flown to Costa Rica.

The Honduran state television was taken off the air. The electricity supply to the capital Tegucigalpa, as well telephone and cellphone lines were cut. The people of Honduras are going into the streets. From Costa Rica, President Zelaya has called for a non-violent response from the people of Honduras, and for international solidarity for the Honduran democracy.

I dont know if this link will “go”, but its soa dot org
http://www.soaw.org/

USA!! USA!! USA!!

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By omop, June 28, 2009 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

Even the animals in Gaza’s mini-zoo are considered to be “anti-israel” and by implication anti-semitic and there fore in need of obliteration.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/Supplements/NEW_Gaza_Zoo_Color_Flyer.pdf

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By Ed Harges, June 28, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

The liberal Zionist fantasy turns out to be unworkable, which is exactly what rational critics predicted from the start. It turns out, unsurprisingly enough, that there is no admirable, moral way to construct a religious/ethnic nationalist regime and impose it on a native population that is largely of another ethnicity.

And there is no way that the nation so created can become anything but a warmongering, expansionist monster — all the more monstrous precisely because of the fact that its defenders believe themselves paragons of enlightenment.

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By Robert, June 27, 2009 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

By NABNYC, June 27 at 9:18 pm #

“It’s very simple.  Cut off the funding.  Tell Israel and its people to either make peace or leave, but I don’t want to support them forever.  Why do we send money to buy apartments for people in Israel, when we have people all across our own country who have no homes? “

U.S. Out of Israel.
http://NABNYC.blogspot.com
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NABNYC…Good post/comment!

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AIPAC / THE ZIONIST LOBBY is the HUGE ELEPHANT in the Halls of the US Congress & the White House:

Watch this short video by Prof. John Mearsheimer on Israel’s Lobby. Click on link below: 

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“On Aug. 28, 2006, Prof. John Mearsheimer, a respected scholar, gave a talk at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. He revealed how the powerful Israel Lobby influenced the U.S. to support Israel’s recent unjust 34-days war against Lebanon, even though the conflict wasn’t in America’s best interest.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSAqNuf55k0&mode=related&search;=

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By NABNYC, June 27, 2009 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

Israel just keeps doing the same thing.  A European colony of 5 million white people living on stolen land in the middoe of 95 million non-whites and non-Europeans.  Israel thinks that if they keep stealing more and more land, they can ultimately push the Palestinians either “into the sea,” or into some other country.  It’s all about land theft.  Theft of everything:  resources, water, land, trees, everything.  There is not one drop of legitimacy to Israel’s position.  None.

If Israel is correct that they cannot live in peace because all their neighbors are crazy, then that’s the answer:  they cannot live in peace, so they should leave.  Surely they don’t suggest that 95 million of their neighbors should be massacred so that they can live on stolen land undisturbed?

Well, actually, that is what Israel wants, as set forth pretty clearly in their late 1990s position paper called A Clean Break.  They want someone (hint-hint) to overthrow all the governments in the entire region, destroy every country in the area (except two—I think Turkey and maybe Jordan).  And guess who stepped up for the job?  The U.S.  Our war against Iraq will go on for another 10 years, so they say, in Afghanistan at least as long, now we’re at war (undeclared and illegal) in Pakistan, openly attacking that country, and are trying to get a Gulf-of-Tonkin type of excuse to start a war against Iran.

It’s very simple.  Cut off the funding.  Tell Israel and its people to either make peace or leave, but I don’t want to support them forever.  Why do we send money to buy apartments for people in Israel, when we have people all across our own country who have no homes? 

U.S. Out of Israel.
http://NABNYC.blogspot.com

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By Folktruther, June 27, 2009 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi, most of the Israeli “Peace” organizations are fake, suporting war and Zionist oppression under the guise of “Peace.”  Sepharad is one of the “Peace” supporters, supporting Amos Oz evern while she supports Sharon. In reality there is little difference, except in rhetoric.  Even formerly sincere peacers like Uri Averny have capitulated to Zionism and support Obama. 

But I didn’t know they were so effective in censoring the Internet.

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By KDelphi, June 27, 2009 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

nefesh—I dont know what that last comment means. I only meant to present to you that not all Jewish people are Zionists. You implication is that people who disagree with you must hate Jews and its not true.

It is more a result of US foreign policy in the Middle East and oil than it is about actually supporting Israel or Jewish race.

And, yes you did suggest that people could just “petition” and ‘list people” online to boycott and its not true. If it is radical enough, it will not get widespread media attention and will fail. You really want me to list the people who own the MSM? I think we know who they are.

They are not all Jews, but, they are almost all Zionists.

There are videos that are posted here that disappear all the time. I cant prove it because they are gone. I cant prove that that webiste of anti-draft Israelies was ever there, but, as far as I know, it is still “disappeared”.

However, now that more people of Hebrew descent are catching on to what Zionism is doing to the all races in the Middle East,(not to mention what it is doing to the US!), promoting acts of violence, race and religion against race and religion, there are more and more anti-Zionist Jewish sites.

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.ijsn.net/home/ (from the site)

“...We are appalled by the concerted effort, led by Israeli officials, Zionist organizations and apologists, to derail the Durban Review Conference. We condemn the use of the memory of the Nazi genocide, as Jewish organizations did during the Durban Review week, in the defense of Israel’s systematic domination and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. We are shocked by the cynical pretense of defending human rights, for example in Darfur and Rwanda, by organizations and groups that are only interested in silencing Palestinian demands for accountability and redress and have no serious commitment to human rights. The brazen exploitation of genocides and racialized violence in Africa for the purpose of protecting and extending colonial domination in Palestine is itself an instance of colonial racism. It is only tolerated due to the strength of racism inside the institutions of global governance….”

It is similar to Af Ams being able to say things about other Af Ams that would be called racist if it were said by Euro-Ams.

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By Clonakilty32, June 27, 2009 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment
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I’m sick and tired of our country playing nursemaid to Israel.  Its time to kick them out of the house and lock the door behind them.  They are capable of taking care of themselves.  Israel has become America’s welfare state.  Let them fend for themselves.  If they unleash hell upon themselves then so be it. Maybe this nonsense will be be forever settled. Either there will be a nation of Israel or there will be no Israel.  Let America stop all financial and military support.  Let them go to war. Let America stay out of it and whoever the last nation standing is can be declared the winner.  Israel keeps trying to draw us into a war. Piss on them!  Let them go it alone.  If they want our support we should have a say and some leverage in peace negotiations with Palestinians.  If Israel doesn’t want our input then they don’t want our money.  I am outraged to know my tax dollars are going toward propping up the racist hate regime in Tel Aviv.  Israel is guilty of ethnic cleansing and for our government to support Israel makes our country guilty of ethnic cleansing also.

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By nefesh, June 27, 2009 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

By KDelphi, June 27 at 2:40 pm #

nefesh—If someone did do as you suggest, monied interests would censor it.

And who, exactly, are these “monied interests”?

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To suggest that those who do not support Zionsism in the uS are on a level playing field, financial and influence-wise as the Zionist/Am lobby is to suggest the absurd.

I made no such suggestion.

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I had to finally contact my brother-in-law-, who is Jewish, to ask him what sites and people I could trust to tell me the truth about Zionist-Americanism. Most that he referred me to have been taken down or censored.

Well there you go: if the Jew said it, then it must be true.

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By KDelphi, June 27, 2009 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

nefesh—If someone did do as you suggest, monied interests would censor it.

During the last Israeli/Zionist/US invasion of Gaza, there were several websites that I was in touch with that were taken down. They would pop back up and be taken down again.

I wrote to several Israeli/American “Peace” organizations to ask if they knew what had happened to the sites. They replied that they “did not participate in hate organizations and had no idea”. (One also replied that Rachel Corrie was a “terrorist”)The next day, there was an article in a UK newspaper that Amer ican Zionist lobby was censoring sites in the uS—then it disappeared.

You can say that I am lying, but I am not and alot of people here know it—but you shouldnt have to fight so hard to get both sides of any story.

I had to finally contact my brother-in-law-, who is Jewish, to ask him what sites and people I could trust to tell me the truth about Zionist-Americanism. Most that he referred me to have been taken down or censored.

google censors them, yahoo cenrors, and all the so-called liberal media censor it—I dont go to neo-con media, so I wouldnt know (nor care ) about them.

During the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, my ISP even censored searches—-“your browser does not support hate sites” (It was a group of Israeli students calling for an end to the draft—hate site???)—so that would be Microsoft.

To suggest that those who do not support Zionsism in the uS are on a level playing field, financial and influence-wise as the Zionist/Am lobby is to suggest the absurd.

The sad part is, that progerssive minded people of all faiths, but, most especially Hebrew, all have to pay the price for it…well, not as sad a some of the videos that Robert linked to—thanks Robert…

this post seems to shed doubt about Naomi Klein’s call to boycott Trader Joe’s, as to whether they are responding—I suggest doing it, just in case. There are plenty of other places to shop.

BTW—the link to Klein’s article suggests whom to boycott.

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By yours truly, June 27, 2009 at 11:15 am Link to this comment
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The Zionist Entity Is A Threat To Us All

“Based on?”

“9/11”

“What did Israel have to do with 9/ll?”

“The Zionist’s conquest of Palestine is what stokes the hate that underlies extremist messianic movements such as al-Qaeda.”

“The answer being?”

“For Jewish colonizer and colonized Palestinian to sit down together and figure things out on the basis of one equals one.”

“Anything else?”

“Liberty and justice for all.”

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By Robert, June 27, 2009 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

“If Americans Knew What Israel Is Doing! VIDEO WAS CENSORED!”
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Click on link to watch this short video & watch out for those brutal bone crushing Israeli, IDF. Watch them breaking/crushing the bones of Palestinian children:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSp-oIOhq00&mode=related&search;=

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By nefesh, June 27, 2009 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

By Folktruther, June 27 at 1:05 pm #

Therefore it is American Zionism that may be the primary problem for Israel, and that we might most focus on.  As you can see, the American Zionists on TD are utterly poisonous and they may be representative of all American Zionists.

And what is your action plan? I suggest identifying, by name, all those you want to “focus on”. Draw up lists. Then publish, with photos and other personal information, everywhere you can, including putting posters up everywhere so the average joe can see his American Zionists.

Then you can begin on the real work:

Work to have all those blacklisted by you fired from their jobs, everywhere. Organize rallies to deny admission to universities and colleges to any American Zionist on your list. You can organize boycotts of any business that is owned by American Zionists or that refuses to deny services to known and/or suspected American Zionists.

Surely with your political and social acumen, Folktruther, you are able to start exposing and rooting out these American Zionists now before their poisonous effect on American society gets any worse.

Get going! There’s lots of work to be done.

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By Folktruther, June 27, 2009 at 10:05 am Link to this comment

If Israeli policy is primarily influenced by the American power structure, than we have to consider the possiblity of extending the Israeli boycott ot American products.  US corporations has oppened US trade borders to destroy US production so they can use foreign cheap labor and export to this country.  Consequently the boycott problem is complicated.

But if the solution to the Israeli problem goes through Washington, then the question arises of reducing or threatening Washington’s power.

Much of current Israeli reaaction is made in the USA.  Addleson, the American Zionist billionaire, has funded a think tank in Isreal led by the Russian Israeli Sharansky, a noted reactionary.  The promoting of another member of this movment, Lieberman, to be foreign minister may well be influeced by Addleson’s money.  As I previous mentioned a third of the settlers are American Jews. 

Therefore it is American Zionism that may be the primary problem for Israel, and that we might most focus on.  As you can see, the American Zionists on TD are utterly poisonous and they may be representative of all American Zionists.

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By nefesh, June 27, 2009 at 9:40 am Link to this comment

By Virginia777, June 27 at 12:37 pm #

Good for Trader Joes.

You go, girl!

See you in the produce section, I hope.

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By Virginia777, June 27, 2009 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

Good for Trader Joes.

Finally a corporate entity that asks for us to be given our own County back, that won’t tolerate true terrorism.

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By nefesh, June 27, 2009 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Trader Joe’s and the Call for an Israeli Boycott:  How a Company Communicates Value

A boycott has been called for all Israeli Products carried by Trader Joe’s across the country. Organizers of the boycott have called for product to be taken off the shelves, put in carts, and abandoned in the aisles. This act constitutes vandalism in the legal sense of the word. The boycott has been scheduled to take place on the Jewish Sabbath.

This boycott is tied to how a company communicates value. Companies can talk about value. What company would volunteer that it chooses to act with dishonor?

Yet not all companies or individuals running companies act with value. It is of course, one thing to talk about value, and another to communicate with value and carry on business in a way that demonstrates value.

A spokesperson for Trader Joe’s said that it was business as usual, with the company carrying the same products. Adding security was their only response to the threat.

As individuals and companies we all are met with defining moments at different times in our lives. Futures are often decided by how we meet specific moments. The challenge is how we communicate value. Sometimes it is as easy as continuing to do business as usual. It may not look like a big decision. Making a decision to do the same thing while under fire, is making a decision.


Leslie Ungar
President
Electric Impulse Communications, Inc.
Akron, OH

“A spokesperson for Trader Joe’s said that it was business as usual, with the company carrying the same products. Adding security was their only response to the threat.

Why are synagogues all across the country adding security? The closest congregation to me hires off-duty county cops to park their cruisers at strategic locations during Sunday School hours, especially during drop-offs and pick-ups. Trader Joe’s management are smart - they know how to grow in an extremely competitive industry, and treat their workers, customers and suppliers fairly. They know when a threat is a threat, and from whom.

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By Ed Harges, June 27, 2009 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

I honestly don’t know what to make of this mess.

But I do know that it is not, nor has it ever been, the business of the Unites States to guarantee the “success”, by any definition whatever, of the Israeli Jewish ethnic nationalist project. The US needs to stop all support for Israel.

The Israelis are always telling their American critics, “It’s all so complicated. You’d never understand. ” We need to say, “Fine. You’re right. And that’s why it’s none of our business, and that’s why our support for either side in this matter ends now. Have a nice ethnic cleansing, or whatever it is.”

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By Thomas Mc, June 27, 2009 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

If Obama had any balls, he’d cut off their aid.
But of course that prerequisite hasn’t been met.

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By nefesh, June 27, 2009 at 9:22 am Link to this comment

Time to plug the website of a good guy doing good deeds…....

http://www.divestthis.com/

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By truedigger3, June 27, 2009 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

This is a good educational video for you to watch about the plight of the Palestinian people
and the suffering and degradation inflected upon them by the Israeli occupation:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14055.htm

Do not watch while eating.!! You might get sick.

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By nefesh, June 27, 2009 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

Trader Joe’s has provided a thoughtful, level-headed response to the pressure from protestors:

“We have received a few letters [threatening a boycott] like this via our customer relations email. Our response is that we sell products, and do not use our products as political tools or to make any statements about any political causes. We have no intention of removing any products based on pressure from any group, no matter what they support or don’t support. As always, we believe our customers are smart, and they are capable of making decisions about what they purchase.”

Please make a point of shopping at Trader Joe’s over the coming days and weeks. Please go out of your way to introduce yourselves to store-managers and to let them know that one of the reasons that you are patronizing their store is precisely because of their principled and courageous determination to continue selling Israeli products. Let them know that you know of many others who feel this way, who might not choose to introduce themselves personally, but who have determined to support Trader Joe’s all the more so because of its decision.

OK, gotta go to Joe’s for my Israeli produce and all the other good stuff they have.

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By ardee, June 27, 2009 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

I thank Robert for this article. It should give pause to those who blame all on the Hebrew religion and its practitioners (it wont) and allow them to see that the blame belongs where it always does, on the government that makes the decisions.

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By Robert, June 27, 2009 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

Auschwitz Survivor

“I Can Identify with Palestinian Youth”

By Adri Nieuwhof

“June 26, 2009 “Electronic Intifada”—- June 02, 2009——Hajo Meyer, author of the book The End of Judaism, was born in Bielefeld, in Germany, in 1924. In 1939, he fled on his own at age 14 to the Netherlands to escape the Nazi regime, and was unable to attend school. A year later, when the Germans occupied the Netherlands he lived in hiding with a poorly forged ID. Meyer was captured by the Gestapo in March 1944 and deported to the Auschwitz concentration camp a week later. He is one of the last survivors of Auschwitz.

Adri Nieuwhof:What would you like to say to introduce yourself to EI’s readers?

Hajo Meyer: I had to quit grammar school in Bielefeld after the Kristallnacht [the two-day pogrom against Jews in Nazi Germany], in November 1938. It was a terrible experience for an inquisitive boy and his parents. Therefore, I can fully identify with the Palestinian youth that are hampered in their education. And I can in no way identify with the criminals who make it impossible for Palestinian youth to be educated.

AN: What motivated you to write your book, The End of Judaism?

HM: In the past, the European media have written extensively about extreme right-wing politicians like Joerg Haider in Austria and Jean-Marie Le Pen in France. But when Ariel Sharon was elected [prime minister] in Israel in 2001, the media remained silent. But in the 1980s I understood the deeply fascist thinking of these politicians. With the book I wanted to distance myself from this. I was raised in Judaism with the equality of relationships among human beings as a core value. I only learned about nationalist Judaism when I heard settlers defend their harassment of Palestinians in interviews. When a publisher asked me to write about my past, I decided to write this book, in a way, to deal with my past. People of one group who dehumanize people who belong to another group can do this, because they either have learned to do so from their parents, or they have been brainwashed by their political leaders. This has happened for decades in Israel in that they manipulate the Holocaust for their political aims. In the long-run the country is destructing itself this way by inducing their Jewish citizens to become paranoid. In 2005 [then Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon illustrated this by saying in the Knesset [the Israeli parliament], we know we cannot trust anyone, we only can trust ourselves. This is the shortest possible definition of somebody who suffers from clinical paranoia. One of the major annoyances in my life is that Israel by means of trickery calls itself a Jewish state, while in fact it is Zionist. It wants the maximum territory with a minimum number of Palestinians. I have four Jewish grandparents. I am an atheist. I share the Jewish socio-cultural inheritance and I have learned about Jewish ethics. I don’t wish to be represented by a Zionist state. They have no idea about the Holocaust. They use the Holocaust to implant paranoia in their children.

AN: In your book you write about the lessons you have learned from your past. Can you explain how your past influenced your perception of Israel and Palestine?

HM: I have never been a Zionist. After the war, Zionist Jews spoke about the miracle of having “our own country.” As a confirmed atheist I thought, if this is a miracle by God, I wished that he had performed the smallest miracle imaginable by creating the state 15 years earlier. Then my parents would not have been dead.”
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Click on link for the rest of interview with Hajo Meyer:

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22912.htm

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By Robert, June 27, 2009 at 7:33 am Link to this comment

Author Naomi Klein Calls for Boycott of Israel

By Agence France Presse

June 26, 2009 “AFP”—BILIN , West Bank -

“Bestselling author Naomi Klein on Friday took her call for a boycott of Israel to the occupied West Bank village of Bilin, where she witnessed Israeli forces clashing with protesters.

“It’s a boycott of Israeli institutions, it’s a boycott of the Israeli economy,” the Canadian writer told journalists as she joined a weekly demonstration against Israel’s controversial separation wall.

“Boycott is a tactic . . . we’re trying to create a dynamic which was the dynamic that ultimately ended apartheid in South Africa,” said Klein, the author of “The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism.”

“It’s an extraordinarily important part of Israel’s identity to be able to have the illusion of Western normalcy,” the Canadian writer and activist said.

“When that is threatened, when the rock concerts don’t come, when the symphonies don’t come, when a film you really want to see doesn’t play at the Jerusalem film festival . . . then it starts to threaten the very idea of what the Israeli state is.”

She briefly joined about 200 villagers and foreign activists protesting the barrier which Israel says it needs to prevent attacks, but which Palestinians say aims at grabbing their land and undermining the viability of their promised state.

She then watched from a safe distance as the protesters reached the fence, where Israeli forces fired teargas and some youths responded by throwing stones at the army.

“This apartheid, this is absolutely a system of segregation,” Klein said adding that Israeli troops would never crack down as violently against Jewish protesters.

She pointed out that her visit coincided with court hearings in Quebec in a case where the villagers of Bilin are suing two Canadian companies, accusing them of illegally building and selling homes to Israelis on land that belongs to the village.

The plaintiffs claim that by building in the Jewish settlement of Modiin Illit, near Bilin, Green Park International and Green Mount International are in violation of international laws that prohibit an occupying power from transferring some of its population to the lands it occupies.

“I’m hoping and praying that Canadian courts will bring some justice to the people of Bilin,” Klein said.

Her visit was also part of a promotional tour in Israel and the West Bank for “The Shock Doctrine” which has recently been translated into Hebrew and Arabic. Klein said she would get no royalties from sales of the Hebrew version and that the proceeds would go instead to an activist group.”

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22920.htm

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By PatrickHenry, June 27, 2009 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

Ghandi boycotted the British and it worked effectively. 

We need Motorola, Cisco, Microsoft to pull out or close some of their R&D facilities and that would send a big message.  Trader Joe’s has already stated they will quit selling Israeli farm produce if their customers support that action.

Naomi Klein:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/06/26-2

There is a site which is blacklisted by truthdig for whatever reason, maybe not to piss off all the nifty new Israeli sponsers I see popping up here. 

www dot bdsmovement dot net.  It is a very good informative site.

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By Robert, June 26, 2009 at 9:54 pm Link to this comment

By photoshock, June 26 at 8:09 pm #

“Re: Robert, this was the most spot on video recording of the conflict between the U.S, Israel and the Palestinians I have ever seen.
I have personally spoken with Prof. Robert Jensen, and have had the privilege to hear him speak regarding the news media’s coverage of the genocidal intentions of the Israelis and the US. It amazes me that more Americans do not rise up and take this government and the undue influence of AIPAC to task.
Without the people rising up and standing to be counted, this genocide will continue until the last Palestinian is gone and none remain on the face of the earth.
We must shout it from the rooftops that there is no peace with a government that considers a person, a non-person and a nation, a non-existant nation.
Palestine is a country and its people real, without the help of American’s hoodwinked by the government and the media, Israel would have to make peace and allow the Palestinians their land. No one can deny that America has propped up a regime of WAR CRIMINALS
and that we have the same blood on our hands as the Israelis.
We the people must stop the madness and disavow any relationship with the Israeli government. Should they
continue these war crimes and genocidal policies, we must cut off any aid to Israel and make it a criminal
offense to aid this horrific regime.”

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Photoshock,

I am glad that you had the chance to see the video and glad to know of your contact with Prof. Robert Jensen. You will not see this kind of video on AIPAC / Zionist controlled US News Media outlets. They block most of the truth from the American people. They want the American taxpayers to keep that $3-5 billion dollars of taxpayers money to keep flowing to Israel each year. We are paying for all those “Jewish Only Settlements” in the Occupied West Bank and much more.

Stay tuned on TD and do your own research. Share your information with friends, relatives, neighbors & co-workers and thanks for your good post.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 26, 2009 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment

radson, June 27 at 12:00 am #

ITW
Ihope that you are right

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radson—that’s an unexpected olive branch, so thanks for that.

I hope to hell I’m right, too.

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By radson, June 26, 2009 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

ITW
Ihope that you are right

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By Clonakilty32, June 26, 2009 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment
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Israel believes the world owes them.  FUCK ‘EM!  Israel is Americas parasite.  Sucks us dry and gives nothing back!  FUCK ‘EM!  Lets cut em off at the knees by taking away all military and financial support, FUCK ‘EM! FUCK ISRAEL!

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By photoshock, June 26, 2009 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

Re: Robert, this was the most spot on video recording of the conflict between the U.S, Israel and the Palestinians I have ever seen.
I have personally spoken with Prof. Robert Jensen, and have had the privilege to hear him speak regarding the news media’s coverage of the genocidal intentions of the Israelis and the US. It amazes me that more Americans do not rise up and take this government and the undue influence of AIPAC to task.
Without the people rising up and standing to be counted, this genocide will continue until the last Palestinian is gone and none remain on the face of the earth.
We must shout it from the rooftops that there is no peace with a government that considers a person, a non-person and a nation, a non-existant nation.
Palestine is a country and its people real, without the help of American’s hoodwinked by the government and the media, Israel would have to make peace and allow the Palestinians their land. No one can deny that America has propped up a regime of WAR CRIMINALS
and that we have the same blood on our hands as the Israelis.
We the people must stop the madness and disavow any relationship with the Israeli government. Should they
continue these war crimes and genocidal policies, we must cut off any aid to Israel and make it a criminal
offense to aid this horrific regime.

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By boggs, June 26, 2009 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

Mystery? Really?
It’s no mystery, we all know that Israel will continue with the help of the US to be the oppressors of the Palestinians. They are killing them off just as suredly as Hitler did the real Jews, only Israel is not using ovens, only difference. They use starvation, encampment, and no water or medicine to kill their prey.

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By tahitifp, June 26, 2009 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

” because they know that the U.S. public will not allow our president to get too tough on them.”
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How many of our “public” know anything about I/P?  The latest massacre wasn’t even covered by Keith or Rachel. 

The buck stops with Obama, who is ruled by the corps who benefit from this continuing horror show and by the likes of Rahm, his brothers and people like them.  The media is owned and controlled by Israeli sympathizers and defense contractors.

I say cut off funding and see how compliant BiBi suddenly becomes.

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By tman, June 26, 2009 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

Zionists have had one goal in mind since creation.World domination.This is now complete. The formula was simple,control the money, control the media and control the various politicians. One plus two always equals three. There is two obvious solutions. Destroy Zionists or join them. Most countries would choose the latter. A one world government would eliminate all local politicians and this money could then be used to benefit the indigenous people. You don’t need politicians to run your government as local managers already do the job. Become a true citizen of the world. Be aware the world is soon to split into two camps. The yellow hordes are looming in the east and a divided western world can stand unless we are one.

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By Julia, June 26, 2009 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment
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We are a declining bankrupt empire yet we still give Israel this socalled aid which is 80% to buy our military equipment. We equip them, as many others have said, to be our watchdogs in the Middle East. When we change our policies, then the Israeli colonization of Palestine will end. We should get cease electing all the Congresspeople who support aid to Israel.

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By bill jones, June 26, 2009 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment
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I never understood why the Palestinian people should be destroyed because of what the Germans did to a bunch of other Europeans.

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By radson, June 26, 2009 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

Let us never forget the Jewish Shoah,but may we all Forget the other Holocausts.The Boer War ,the Armenian Holocaust ,the Ukrainian Holocaust,the Kulak Holocaust ,the Russian holocaust,the Polish Holocaust
the Cambodian Holocaust ,the Rwandan Holocaust and yes the Palestinian Holocaust .The conjurers of cheap tricks are still spreading their venom through forked tongues ,‘the terror the terror the terror the terror.’

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By truedigger3, June 26, 2009 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

This article is a piece of nonsense mixed with a with a piece of crap.
Israel cannot survive without the economic, military and political support of the US.
If Natanyahu knew that Obama is serious, and he is not, I am sure not a single additional brick will be put in the construction of settlements.
It is just another theatrical piece from Obama in which, as usual, he says something and end up doing the opposite, or doing nothing at all.
The expansion of the settlements will continue and nothing will change.

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By ardee, June 26, 2009 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

grumpynyker, June 26 at 11:31 am #
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I agree with ardee about withholding US taxpayer aid.  But we can go further; bar all Israeli businesses/subsidiaries from getting ANY contracts with US city/state/federal government.  Do not invest in Israeli companies in college foundations/pension plans etc.
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I would agree with you if the USA was a moral nation dealing fairly with all others. We are not and withholding the six billion in aid we give Israel is going to be a tough enough sell as it is.
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Paul_GA, June 26 at 7:49 am #


In this case, Ardee, I have to agree with you 100%.
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All I ask is a fair hearing and an honest response. A fair hearing includes, of course, an honest appraisal of my position.

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By Folktruther, June 26, 2009 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

The problem is not Natanyahu; the problem is Obama.  The problem is not the Israeli power structure; the problem is the American power structure.  IF the US wanted a two-state solution, there would be one, since Israel is totally dependant on the US. 

But the US ruling power struture does NOT want a two state solution, and Israeli peace with the surrounding states, because it would then lose Israel as a military force in the Mideast.  So the US has sponsored a Peace Process that is endless political theater to cover up the Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and the continuing settlements.  Israel was expanding a settlement in the north West Bank at the precise time Natanyahu was in the White House talking to Obama.

So Pfaff’s piece is pure bullshit.  The pretense that Israel cannot stop settlement construction without an enormous change in the Israeli power structure is hogwash.  It is the same type of pretense of legality that Inherit pretends is relevant to Obama sanctioning the building of settlements.  All Zionist bullshit,  the two-state bullshit of pseudo-progressives who pretend to want a two state solution.

The Palestinians can expect nothing from Obama-Natanyahu.  They must find a way to increase their military-political means of fighting the ethnic cleansing supported by all the Zionists, from the right to the left.  Sepharad identifies with both Sharon and Amos Oz of Peace Now, who ostensibly have opposing policies, because what they say is just window dressing. In reality they have the same policy of ethnic cleansing, while mouthing different rhetoric.  And Obama supports them both as well.  As does this article by Pfaff.

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By Larry Anklam, June 26, 2009 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment
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Stalemate With Israel: The stalemate will end when our politicians STOP KISSING JEWISH ASS and start favoring TRUTH and JUSTICE over money!

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By wildflower, June 26, 2009 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

What was that moral imperative that God gave Moses on Mount Sinai?  Oh, yes, I remember now, it was, “You shall not steal.”  Guess these Israeli settlers are not familiar with the Hebrew Bible and moral imperatives like “you shall not steal,” But then, again, maybe they are, but decided to just ignore Judeo tradition. 

And where is the Israeli leadership?  Granted, their Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is a loser, but shouldn’t the rest of them be out there reigning in the thieves?  And where is the public outcry about what is going on? Has the whole Nation of Israel succumbed to greed and been taken over by thieves?

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By Robert, June 26, 2009 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

Jimmy Carter on the Gaza Siege

Gaza: Bombs, Missiles, Tanks And Bulldozers

06.20.2009 | Counter Currents
By Jimmy Carter

“Transcript of former US President Jimmy Carter’s Address to the United Nations Relief Works Agency’s Human Rights Graduation in Gaza, June 16, 2009.

Director of UNRWA operations John Ging, thank you for inviting me to Gaza. Distinguished guests, children of Gaza, I am grateful for your warm reception.

I first visited Gaza 36 years ago and returned during the 1980s and later for the very successful Palestinian elections. Although under occupation, this community was relatively peaceful and prosperous. Now, the aftermath of bombs, missiles, tanks, bulldozers and the continuing economic siege have brought death, destruction, pain, and suffering to the people here. Tragically, the international community largely ignores the cries for help, while the citizens of Gaza are being treated more like animals than human beings.

Last week, a group of Israelis and Americans tried to cross into Gaza through Erez, bringing toys and children’s playground equipment – slides, swings, kites, and magic castles for your children. They were stopped at the gate and prevented from coming. I understand even paper and crayons are treated as “security hazards” and not permitted to enter Gaza. I sought an explanation for this policy in Israel, but did not receive a satisfactory answer – because there is none.”

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/jimmy-carter-on-the-gaza-siege/

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By omop, June 26, 2009 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

To Robert:

Your peace, propaganda and promised land is as the saying goes “spot on”. According to a friend who was a regular member of the Edge Forum that Asia Times on Line publishes and recently changed its format it also has began a practice of “selective” commentary by forum members in reference to Israel/zionism.

Foreign intelligence suggests that unless the US radically and definitely changes its historical (and Likudnik influenced) policies in the Middle East/Arab/Muslim world it will continue its decline in world affairs/prestige at an accelerated pace.

The demands of China for oil will force the US into a secondary position with the oil producing nations as well forcing the US pay a premium price for oil.

If the worst case scenario comes about it will not be Al Queda or terrorists that will be the ones primarely responsible for the box the US finds itself in. It will be the tail that wagged the dog.

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By felicity, June 26, 2009 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

Palestinians have been living separated or quarantined as the backdrops of their daily experience for 60 years. 

It has always struck me as odd that a situation that we would not tolerate let alone allow in our own country (example being the S.C. ruling that separate is not equal thus ending school segregation), we have condoned, financed and even championed in an allied country.

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By Robert, June 26, 2009 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land

U.S. Media & the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

How Israel manipulates and distorts American public perceptions

“Through the voices of scholars, media critics, peace activists, religious figures, and Middle East experts, Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land carefully analyzes and explains how—through the use of language, framing and context—the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza remains hidden in the news media, and Israeli colonization of the occupied territories appears to be a defensive move rather than an offensive one.”

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Click on link below to view this great video on the Palestinian/Israeli conflict:


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14055.htm

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By dihey, June 26, 2009 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

Pfaff: “How it will end is a mystery”.

Sir, here is your mystery unveiled: It will end as it always has with the Prime Minister of Israel and his/her cabinet eventually wiping his/her bottom parts with any so-called “roadmap” because they know that the U.S. public will not allow our president to get too tough on them.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 26, 2009 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

I hope it’s not talk. What I hope the President is doing is having his legal team examine all the legislation granting aid to Israel and seeing if he is legally at liberty to reduce it or cut it off in all kinds of ways.

It would be terribly shattering to make threats and find out that he doesn’t have the legal authority to make them stick.

Even if he does, I hope he THEN positions himself to ask Congress to explicitly grant him that authority, and, if they don’t, then use what his legal team digs up.

I’m a Jew and an absolute supporter of Israel’s right to exist. But I in no way, shape or form consider the West Bank settlements to be part of Israel or legal.  The idiots of the What-a-Yahoo government are sinking themselves more and more as they try to steal more and more land.

The President has said the settlement expansion MUST halt. I hope he has the legal power to back it up, and, if not, Congress needs to give it to him.

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By grumpynyker, June 26, 2009 at 8:31 am Link to this comment
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I agree with ardee about withholding US taxpayer aid.  But we can go further; bar all Israeli businesses/subsidiaries from getting ANY contracts with US city/state/federal government.  Do not invest in Israeli companies in college foundations/pension plans etc.

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By Eso, June 26, 2009 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

I am puzzled. Re:
NATO rockets to be set up in Poland,
Ukraine to join NATO,
Georgia badly wants to join NATO,
a Moldavian as the foreign minister in Israel,
Iraq invaded for no cause,
Iran threatened by an invasion,
France with a new military base in UAE,
Afghanistan invaded,
Pakistan invaded.
Everybody is busy
setting up the world for peace.

But what does the ring of fire mean?
Who is it around?
Is it around China?
But China is small when compared.
Is the ring around China and another country?

As I puzzle, I see Israel laughing.
Peace and more settlements are coming.
Tomorrow no one will remember today.

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By artie, June 26, 2009 at 7:43 am Link to this comment
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Israel controls Congress. Obama’s palaver and posturing about Iran and settlements is for the USA gullible masses. Israel will win on both issues, fully supported by the Congress. Expect war on Iran by us for Israel, soon.

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By radson, June 26, 2009 at 7:07 am Link to this comment

President Obama has travelled quite a lot recently ,but mostly in Europe and the Middle -East.His approach is different from his predecessor by stressing diplomacy instead of Gunboat Diplomacy.Yet
throughout all the eloquently written speeches I get the impression that it amounts to nothing more than ‘we tried to be reasonable but they didn’t listen’ and what will happen next is perhaps a return to
the same old Modus Operendi.Mr. Netanyahu is not going to halt Israeli Natural Growth -is that not identical to Lebensraum-.The Palestinians are going to be displaced whether it is done peacefully or
violently is yet to be reenacted ,but I fear that it will be the latter.Mr. Netanyahu also mentioned that there will a sort DP financial package that apparently will be outsourced by other countries ,I guess
Israel does not want to shoulder all the guilt,but there is something missing in order for this to work and that is a major distraction .Will Iran become The Cassis Beli in this never ending cunundrum and will
the CSTO play a part to ensure that US influence is kept to a minimum in the Caspian region and the surrounding Stans ,only time will tell.

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By omop, June 26, 2009 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

The Bristih Empire it was once claimed never had the “sun set on it”.
 
  Hitler’s “uber alles” was to exist for centuries.

  The USSR’s lifespan was a mere 70 years.

  Israel’s existance of some 60 years is due mainly to the aid and succor of the US.

  The Palestenians can take comfort in the cycle of “nothing lasts forever”, and
  more importantly the adage of. ” First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
  the they fight you, then you win.” Netanyahu or no Netanyahu.

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By photoshock, June 26, 2009 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

The backbone that Obama had during the campaign disappeared with his election. His masters the moneyed elite, do not want him to stand up to the Israeli government and he will not do so.
AIPAC, is among the most egregious examples of foreign interference in America’s foreign policy, that I cannot begin to count the ways that they have spread their influence throughout the American Congress and throughout our nation.
It is sad to say that we are caught in a trap of our own making, but American foreign policy will not change unless and until the world community enacts sanctions on America.
As a part Jewish American, I am not self-loathing, but a realist when it comes to the nation of Israel.
The Haganah, were a terrorist organization that counted among its members, the father of Rahm Emanuel, who by the way is the president’s chief of staff. This person wields immense power and funnels information to the president, so that the president can make decisions and consider his moves carefully.
Might I suggest, that the information the president receives is slanted towards the Israeli’s and their overwhelming need for ‘space.’
The Palestinians have gotten the short end of the stick for as long as Israel has existed, before then,
Palestinians, Jews, Christians and others existed peacefully without the haranguing and war crimes now being committed by the governments of the U.S. and Israel.
For all peace loving and people of conscience, we must stand together and fight back against the tide of war crimes and willful disregard for the world community’s will, regarding the Palestinian state and its people. Unless this action happens soon, the Israeli’s and the U.S will have committed an act of genocide worse than the Nazi Party ever thought of.
The Palestinian people will have been forced out of their own land, and will have been exterminated due to the American disregard for the treaties and conventions signed by our country and we will have blood on our hands, the blood of dead and maimed men, women and children that have nothing to do with terrorism and we will be the terrorists.

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By eileen fleming, June 26, 2009 at 4:57 am Link to this comment

UPDATE: Email from Jewish Voice for Peace:

Just days after President Obama called for a complete freeze on settlement construction, the Israeli government authorized construction on 300 new homes to be built in an “illegal outpost” in the West Bank. An illegal outpost: that’s a settlement that’s illegal even according to Israeli law. 60 totally illegal houses, and roads to get to them, have already been built in this outpost. Instead of demolishing it - which is what they should do - the Israeli government is performing a whitewash that will make this whole outpost a “legitimate” settlement.


Yesterday’s announcement is a slap in the face to President Obama. As Mitchell Plitnick put it, “Ehud Gives Barack the Finger.”

“If Israel is drunk on settlements, the United States has long been its enabler.” So wrote Tony Judt in the New York Times.  We call on President Obama to stand by his words and not give in to Israel’s expansionism. It is the military aid that the U.S. gives Israel every year - some $3 billion - that allows Israel to keep building settlements and roads and to pay for the ever-increasing military power it takes to oppress the Palestinian population.

We want the billions of dollars the U.S. sends to Israel each year to come with Strings Attached. The United States must withhold that aid until Israel agrees to abide by U.S. and international law - and that includes stopping settlement construction.  When Israel continues to blatantly flout the law using American money, and does so with total impunity, America’s moral standing in the world and democratic principles are severely compromised. And all this at the cost of Palestinian lives and livelihood and Palestinian and Israeli futures. Enabling such disregard for internationally accepted standards only further fuels the conflict and world hostilities.

We were heartened when President Obama announced that Israel must completely halt settlement construction, and we were glad when Jewish leaders - including the largest association of American rabbis, the Central Conference of American Rabbis, stepped out in support of a complete settlement freeze. Now it’s time for action.

Please send the following email to President Barack Obama calling on him to back up his words with concrete and meaningful action:

The Israeli government has just announced that it is authorizing new construction of Jewish colonies in the West Bank, thereby undermining American leadership and your call for a complete freeze in construction. Israel’s actions are a violation of international law and an explicit provocation that prevents a just resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

As a supporter of one of America’s largest Jewish peace groups, I write to support your call for a freeze on settlement construction and to ask that the U.S. withhold aid to Israel until Israel agrees to abide by U.S. and international law - and that includes stopping settlement construction.  When Israel continues to blatantly flout the law using American money, and does so with total impunity, America’s moral standing in the world and democratic principles are severely compromised. And all this at the cost of Palestinian lives and livelihood and Palestinian and Israeli futures. Enabling such disregard for internationally accepted standards only further fuels the conflict and world hostilities.

Please, back up your strong and inspiring words with concrete and meaningful action: withhold American aid to Israel until Israel agrees to abide by U.S. and international law and end the occupation of Palestinian Territories.

To sign:

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/301/t/9246/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27506


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