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Posted on Jun 22, 2009
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Iranian opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi speaks to supporters at a demonstration in Tehran.

By Chris Hedges

Iranians do not need or want us to teach them about liberty and representative government. They have long embodied this struggle. It is we who need to be taught. It was Washington that orchestrated the 1953 coup to topple Iran’s democratically elected government, the first in the Middle East, and install the compliant shah in power. It was Washington that forced Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh, a man who cared as much for his country as he did for the rule of law and democracy, to spend the rest of his life under house arrest. We gave to the Iranian people the corrupt regime of the shah and his savage secret police and the primitive clerics that rose out of the swamp of the dictator’s Iran. Iranians know they once had a democracy until we took it away. 

The fundamental problem in the Middle East is not a degenerate and corrupt Islam. The fundamental problem is a degenerate and corrupt Christendom. We have not brought freedom and democracy and enlightenment to the Muslim world. We have brought the opposite. We have used the iron fist of the American military to implant our oil companies in Iraq, occupy Afghanistan and ensure that the region is submissive and cowed. We have supported a government in Israel that has carried out egregious war crimes in Lebanon and Gaza and is daily stealing ever greater portions of Palestinian land. We have established a network of military bases, some the size of small cities, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Kuwait, and we have secured basing rights in the Gulf states of Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates. We have expanded our military operations to Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Egypt, Algeria and Yemen. And no one naively believes, except perhaps us, that we have any intention of leaving.

We are the biggest problem in the Middle East. We have through our cruelty and violence created and legitimized the Mahmoud Ahmadinejads and the Osama bin Ladens. The longer we lurch around the region dropping iron fragmentation bombs and seizing Muslim land the more these monsters, reflections of our own distorted image, will proliferate. The theologian Reinhold Niebuhr wrote, “Perhaps the most significant moral characteristic of a nation is its hypocrisy.” But our hypocrisy no longer fools anyone but ourselves. It will ensure our imperial and economic collapse.

The history of modern Iran is the history of a people battling tyranny. These tyrants were almost always propped up and funded by foreign powers. This suppression and distortion of legitimate democratic movements over the decades resulted in the 1979 revolution that brought the Iranian clerics to power, unleashing another tragic cycle of Iranian resistance.

“The central story of Iran over the last 200 years has been national humiliation at the hands of foreign powers who have subjugated and looted the country,” Stephen Kinzer, the author of “All the Shah’s Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror,” told me. “For a long time the perpetrators were the British and Russians. Beginning in 1953, the United States began taking over that role. In that year, the American and British secret services overthrew an elected government, wiped away Iranian democracy, and set the country on the path to dictatorship.”

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“Then, in the 1980s, the U.S. sided with Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war, providing him with military equipment and intelligence that helped make it possible for his army to kill hundreds of thousands of Iranians,” Kinzer said. “Given this history, the moral credibility of the U.S. to pose as a promoter of democracy in Iran is close to nil.

Especially ludicrous is the sight of people in Washington calling for intervention on behalf of democracy in Iran when just last year they were calling for the bombing of Iran. If they had had their way then, many of the brave protesters on the streets of Tehran today—the ones they hold up as heroes of democracy—would be dead now.”

Washington has never recovered from the loss of Iran—something our intelligence services never saw coming. The overthrow of the shah, the humiliation of the embassy hostages, the laborious piecing together of tiny shreds of paper from classified embassy documents to expose America’s venal role in thwarting democratic movements in Iran and the region, allowed the outside world to see the dark heart of the American empire. Washington has demonized Iran ever since, painting it as an irrational and barbaric country filled with primitive, religious zealots. But Iranians, as these street protests illustrate, have proved in recent years far more courageous in the defense of democracy than most Americans. 

Where were we when our election was stolen from us in 2000 by Republican operatives and a Supreme Court that overturned all legal precedent to anoint George W. Bush president? Did tens of thousands of us fill the squares of our major cities and denounce the fraud? Did we mobilize day after day to restore transparency and accountability to our election process? Did we fight back with the same courage and tenacity as the citizens of Iran? Did Al Gore defy the power elite and, as opposition candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi has done, demand a recount at the risk of being killed?


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By Trithoverlies, June 13, 2010 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

prosfighter,
Name any other superpower that has fostered more Democracies if you can. WE aren’t always right but we have willingly forgone the Conqueror role in many countries we have liberated from Tyranny but you leftist don’t tell the whole story because than you would be forced to admit that the United States has gotten it right more often then wrong and where we lost the perverted regimes that replace our friends are ten to a hundred times worse North Vietnam and their reeducation camps Cambodia with Pol Pot the Soviets, Angola, Zimbabwe, Nigeria Iran, Syria, Libya, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Cuba, Saudi Arabia,  and North Korea.  These are examples where we were forced out by you leftist who wanted the Torture machines in place that now run these nations so I ask you again why do you hate America so much? and If you say you don’t you are a liar plan and simple!

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By prosefights, May 31, 2010 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

“Then, in the 1980s, the U.S. sided with Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war, providing him with military equipment and intelligence that helped make it possible for his army to kill hundreds of thousands of Iranians,”

Zbigniew Brzezinski and Ryan Crocker may have been involved in inciting Saddam Hussein to attack Iran?

If true, then this appears to be a felony violation of 18 USC § 1091(c).

I’ve been threaten with prison for pursing this.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/vazquez/vazquez.htm

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By prosefights, May 31, 2010 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

Hello Ms Stamos,

‘Well we all know who to thank for the loss fo democracy.

America. They always have to put their finger into everything. All we need is another super power to stop the American’s from doing this types of acts again.’

Maybe is this happening?

http://home.comcast.net/~bpayne37/whitman59/bushschool/bushschool.htm#layne

bill

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By Liz Stamos, May 31, 2010 at 4:57 am Link to this comment

Well we all know who to thank for the loss fo democracy.

America. They always have to put their finger into everything. All we need is another super power to stop the American’s from doing this types of acts again.
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By pastech, May 19, 2010 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

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By Trithoverlies, May 16, 2010 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

I will agree with a lot of what was said in the latest comment, But it isn’t Western Imperialism as you said Its the Liberals of NOW, and the Medea Matters, and Moveon .org that ignores women’s rights, and the abuses of the Clerics SS. and it’s the liberal Medea that won’t make statements truly condemning the Iranian Caliphate Fox has come out strong dealing with these maters and pointing out the lack of the Liberal Left Coast Medea in these matters so I agree the Liberals have continually given Iran a pass on its worst abuses and the Democratic Leadership in the House and Pres. and Vice pres. all received major amounts of campaign contributions from certain Pro-Iranian Businesses. So the all have been quite about Iran’s continued Human rights abuses.

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By teayza31, May 16, 2010 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

I’ll let the verbal battle between you and the gang on TD to rage on. But it is true that there is real trouble amongst the electorate in Iran.
I find it remarkable that as soon as some uncomfortable fact gets in the way, a person reporting it is deemed part of some conspiracy. If Robert Fisk mentions the numerous state sponsored executions in Iran in 1988, which did happen, then suddenly the 60 year plus reporter, deemed to be anti-west according to the NY Times, is suddenly working for British intelligence and all things that smack of western imperialism. If Chris Hedges even brings up the deplorable social abuse imposed by the Shia Muslim clerics, then the former NY Times correspondent must have connections with the CIA.
The people who want to squeeze everything through the U.S. imperial filter tend to ignore such fundamental concerns as womens’ rights and religious bigotry imposed by Iran’s theocratic system.

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By Technology, May 16, 2010 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment
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“We are the biggest problem in the Middle East.”

To me, the most interesting thing about this comment thread is the continued attempts to divert the conversation away from this very important point.

Note:  You also know when a writer is doing a good job when there are people lined up and waiting to criticize his regular postings.  Its always fascinating to read the very first postings and notice how some writers seem to have professional critiques who jump online quickly to always smear them.

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By John R Bloxson Jr, April 24, 2010 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment
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To all the Liberals,
The mufti was a Scumbag as one of you said but it was the scumbags He trained an financed that are even today leading groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and even the Palestinian Authority, And to top that off his protege’s are training the next set of protege’s so I am not specifically tarring all with the same brush but many of the leadership are just as much scumbags today as the mufti who is dead and has found out there are no 70 perpetual virgins where he went.

                Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
                  John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By John R Bloxson Jr, December 7, 2009 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Shingo,
I marvel at you, we are not always wrong but if you can find a better system show it to me. Socialism is a Corrupt husk, Communism can’t save us,
Monarchy didn’t save us. Democracy and the right to speak ones mind right or wrong as given by our forefathers gave us, not socialism and its sewage, nor communism and its carnage, and not monarchy divine right or Representative.  You judge all tea baggers well stop and think An American who says we are never right is no better than one who says we are always right. I am a realist we have made our share of bone headed mistakes are you always right No and neither am I but we should be able to disagree without the childish name calling.  This Is America, not Amerika we are a Democracy, not a little socialist paradise like Cuba, or Venezuela.
I believe in Capitalism as long as there are-true morals being taught but this has been sadly lacking in this country for the last 60-70 years.  Modernism
and Secularization have helped bring us to this sad state we now are in when you teach children that we are nothing more than animals and that they should get what they can while they can regardless of who it hurts as our liberal business schools have done for the last 60-70 years what do you expect saints or sinners? Yes we have done wrong but even during the time of the Shaw their was more democracy than what has existed in Iran for the last 30yrs. We judge the problem being the intervention of The American CIA while forgetting the KGB, and the Radical Islamist like the Ayatollah both of which were making inroads into the University Crowds in 1953 so who is right if we had not intervened might not more Iranians have paid with their lives to these two totalitarian groups maybe maybe not, hind sight is twenty but in 1953 we were battling an evil Ideology called Communism remember.
                Truthoverlies.
                John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Shingo, October 11, 2009 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

We marvel at the magnitude of your ignorance an juvenile mentality.

Where is the contradiction in loving your country and hating government policy?  Do all the tea baggers (you’re probably one of them), who are demonstrating against the government hate America because they disagree with Washington?  Do the town hall mob hate America?

Yes, the Iranians no responsibility for their
behavior, which incidentally, is entirely their business.  So when our government has been exposed as previously overthrowing for a democratically elected in the country and is financing opposition parties tot eh tune of $60 million, chances are, we had something to do with the mess over there.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your Muslim bashing.

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By adren jarrid, October 10, 2009 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment
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I marvel how a man like Mr Hedges can remain an American Citizen. He is
so learned with respect to the hideousness of American Foreign Policy in
virtually all respects that it baffles me as how he can stomach being in
our country any longer. Have the Iranians no responsibility at all for their
behavior? Has the Muslim World no responsibility for it’s own form of
corruption?

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By prosefights, July 28, 2009 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

George Ure posted

“Tuesday July 28, 2009 07:30 AM CDT

Some good news for a change…although just how good we don’t know. It started with a strange and very short phone call from an unidentified source in Europe who said he was with an agency that is in a place to know what’s going on with the advance planning for the possible attack on Iran by Israel. The caller informed us that because the ALTA/Shape of Things to Come reports run ‘above chance’ in their outcomes, and since some .mil types read them as soon as release, the folks in attack contingency planning have gone into much deeper target backgrounding than usual on secondary and tertiary targets. That was it. A very short phone call and the caller hung up - no other details. A foreign country code and a ‘no such number’ beyond that.

Whether the call is ‘legit’, or not, we certainly hope it is and that advance planning does turn up the ‘risk’ in a tertiary target which was outlined for the apparent October 25th (+/- a few days) attack date.”

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

We continue to believe that these unfortunate matters should be peacefully settled.

http://home.comcast.net/~bpayne37/index.htm

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By samira, July 28, 2009 at 2:32 am Link to this comment
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Iranians are proud of Chris Hedges. Thanks….Iran will never forget you.

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By reza, July 16, 2009 at 6:52 am Link to this comment
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As an Iranian, I really impressed about your opinions, I agree with most of them. I can go further and say that, it is time to any individual to be more sensitive about other individuals living in other countries. The new communications technologies allow us - as people - to go further than our nation borders. Just imagine if we had support from all people around the world during demonstrations. Why it is not possible to protest in billions (I mean it) around world each time that human right violated by any dictatorship government? Good people always are in majority, and we should use this power more effectively. There is no other way. The only way to stop war, is to develop democracy and it needs education and support. As long as governments can kill their people, without expecting any meaningful and instant reaction from whole world, democracy would not proceed. It is wrong if people think that it is responsibility of their government to take action, most of the governments only make decision based on their short-term interest, and decision process is very long, then we should react. The most democratic governments are influenced by lobby groups and in US, Israels are in control, most of recent wars are directly against the interest of the US but along with interest of Israel. It is time to stop this.

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By prosefights, July 9, 2009 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

Swiss Radio International 1994 progams about Hans Buehler and spy sting on Iran posted in mp3 format.

http://home.comcast.net/~bpayne37/theinvestigation/swissradio/swissradio.mp3

Hans Buehler letter.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/shorthistory/shorthistory.htm#buehler

Laszlo Baranyi transcription of above mp3 recording.

http://biphome.spray.se/laszlob/cryptoag/buehler-tape.htm

We filed criminal complaint affidavit against Brzezinski for inciting Saddan Hussein to attack Iran in New Mexico 97 CV 266.

This cost us $22,036 which we are in the process of trying to get back.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 8, 2009 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

I’m staying out of that one—I just needed to correct some of the history.  Mussolini is often thought of as the Italian Hitler and analogous to Hitler, and that’s simply bad analysis, particularly of his motives and motivations.

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By Shingo, July 8, 2009 at 5:26 am Link to this comment

ITW,

I agree that Mussolini was forced into bed with Hitler, and that he would have preferred otherwise.

The point I am making with the crazed evangelical nutball, Trithoverlies, is that guilt by association works both ways.

The Mufti was a monumental scum bag, but the Palestinians should not be held accountable for his derranged ideology.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 8, 2009 at 4:52 am Link to this comment

A correction:

You both need to understand that Mussolini thought Hitler’s anti-semitism was just plain stupid. Being a pragmatic, if immoral and brutal dictator, Il Duce only adopted Hitler’s anti-semitism when he got in trouble with his own people and was faltering.  He needed Hitler’s help and support to maintain power and…rounding up Jews was part of the price of that support.

People forget that Mussolini was the “innovator” and Hitler was the “imitator” of the 20th Century totalitarian dictatorship.  Hitler admired and even worshipped Mussolini—after all Il Duce achieved power in 1922—at which time Hitler was a nobody, 11 years away from the Chancellorship.  So he was quite willing to aid his idol when Mussolini’s support eroded.

Therefore it is not at all outside the realm of possibility for Mussolini to be willing to aid development of the State of Israel in the 30’s or even early 40’s, having no fundamental antipathy to Jews.  I’m not sure when he adopted anti-semitism—if it was ‘41 or ‘42.

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By Shingo, July 6, 2009 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Trithoverlies,
You are simply re-writing history to suit your extremist right wing Evangelical doctrine.
The Stern Gang or Irgun were Zionist extremists who wanted to be rid of the British because the British stood in the way of the Jewish State.  The Balfour declaration made no mention of a Jewish state, but a homeland for Jews,  and the terror gangs would not accept this caveat.
As for the Mufti, the Palestinians ignored his call for Jihad against the British and fought on the side of the allies.
The British Army were very honorable and treated both sides fairly, which the Zionist did not accept.  They did not arms Arabs in any way.  That is false.
The Palestinians had nothing to do with the Brown shirts, and rejected any Nazi co-operation, because the British had already promised them an independent state.  No Nazis entered Palestine, therefore no “training” by Nazis took place/
The Irgun were Israelis who were committing massacres in town like Deir Yassin, long before the 1948 war.  The 1948 war did not come out of thin air.  There were countless terrorist attacks that lead up to it.
As former Israeli foreign minister, Shlomo Ben Ami wrote in his book, the Arabs were already defeated before the 1948 war.
The speech’s of the Mufti was his own responsibility, not the fault of the Palestinians.  Do you blame all of Germany for Hitler?
There were NO attacks organized by the SS in the 40’s.  The Palestinians rejected the Nazis and fought on the side of the Allies, and even drove out the Ottoman empire from Palestine.  Arabs and Jews got along fine in the 20’s. Itt was only when the European and Russian Jews began arriving that the trouble started.
Until the ethnic cleansing of the Arabs from Palestine in 1948, Jews only owned 7% of the land. 
There were other terrorist groups apart from the Stern Gang and the Irgun, but the point I am making is that the leaders of these gangs later went on to become leaders of Israel, demonstrating to us that Israel condones terrorism when it’s convenient.
Even though the Arabs outnumbered the Yishuv by forty-to-one, in terms of military manpower the two sides were fairly evenly matched. As time went on and both sides sent reinforcements.  The balance changed in the Jews’ favor; by October they had almost 90,000 men and women under arms, the Arabs only 68,000.” (The Sword And The Olive, p. 77-78)
It wasn’t “my side” that created Hitler or Mussolini you imbecile.  In fact, leaders in the US and Britain supported Hitler in the earl days, including George Bush’s grandfather. 
You are not a Christian but a new age evangelical dispensationalist who’s only concern for Israel is that it will lead to the second coming.  The Bible doesn’t say that, but your cult teaches this belief.
Anti-Semitism is a result of racism, nothing else.  It is no different to the racism you demonstrate towards Arabs and Muslims.  It is founded on ignorance and poor education.
The Irgun and Stern gang, were not the only butchers in Palestine, that is true, but they WERE involved with the pro Hitlers fascists in Italy and received money from them.
I am not pointing my finger at the Jews.  Most of the Jews in 1948 were not Zionists.  You re deliberately conflating Jews with Zionism, which is a lie.
Your other lie is that the Arabs were responsible for the 800,000 refugees, when there is no doubt that the Israels drove the Palestinians from their land as part of the plan to ethnically cleanse the land of Arabs and steal their land.
Even Ben Gurion realized the the Palestinians were not just Arabs, but were indigenous to the land of Palestine, so there was no “ helping them back into Arab society”.
You are an idelogical extremist and a liar.

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By Trithoverlies, July 6, 2009 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

Shingo, The Stren Gang or Irgun did attack British targets during the war because those same British officers like Gen. Glub were as bad as the Arab gang of cut throats put together by the Mufti in Damascus Syria where he directed
his gangs to attack Kibbutzes ambush individual farmers and kill those Arabs less inclined to join the hatred. The British Army was filled with anti-Semites who opennely helped Arabs smuggle into Palestine Guns, Ammo, Dynomite, granades and even land mines that were planted where tractors would be used to farm. I do not for one moment condone the Stern Gang, nor do I condone the open Antisemite British officers actions, or those actions of the Arabs under the Mufti of Jerusalem but you all point to one side and forget that there was much more going on then just the Stern Gang remember that the Mufti’s 50,000 murderers and rapist were organized and trained in the 1920’s & 30’s by the Brown shirts and then the S.S. and armed by Adolph Hitler so the 500 to 1000 Stern Gang members were more destructive then the Mufti and his secret army of 50,000? The Israeli’s themselves didn’t like the Irgun and only worked with them when 5 fully combined Arms Armies Attacked Israel on may 15th. 1948 so please reavaluate your one sided attacks on the Jews, I have not heard one referance to the Murder of a Jewish man in a street riot in Jerusalem in 1931, or the attacks on children on the Kibutzzes, or the hanging of Jews found armed by the British in the 1930’s or the hate filled speech’s of the Mufti of Jerusalem. I am fed up with your continued denial of the Arab attacks accross Palestine in the 1920’s & 30’s and even the attacks organized by the S.S. in the early 40’s while bringing up the one terrorist group on the Jewish side they were not the Palmauch, or the other Israel para military groups they were the smallist and didn’t have any where near the numbers as the Mufti’s Butchers so I am demanding that you start dealing with these other factors and stop blaming the Jews for every thing we didn’t creat Hitler ,or His buddy in Italy, your side did. Henry Ford did and every British, German Italian, Russian, and American Anti-Semite did. Yes many Self professed Christians were also involved but I again state just because someone calls himself or Herself a Christian does’t mean they are a Christian. Anti-Semitism is a result of a Doctrine of Replacement Theology, God was through with the Jews and they were now replaced by the Gentile Christians.  This began about 120 years after the Death of Jesus Christ in otherwords (around the time of Marcin the Mouse 150 A.D.) and Pope Urban in 990 A.D. continued to fanned the flames of Anti-Semitism with God wills it. As did the Bishop of Chacago in the 1920’s & 30’s, and the Pope’s continual duplicity in the 1930’s & 40’s. So I will point out that the Irgun wasn’t the only butchers in Palestine where you want. I show that the church played a part in the progroms from 380 A.D. onward till the Facist and even today some churches continue to preach this lie of Replacement Theology, but you don’t even have that excuss you just blatently point your finger at the Jews and the Arabs are free of any responsability for what they did to the Jews and Christians, or even to their own when in 1949 they forced hunreds of thousands of Arabs into the Refugee camps instead of helping them back into Arab society. You forget that the Mufti’s 50,000 irregulars assasinated moderate Arabs including the murder of whole families men women and children why is that?
        Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
          John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Shingo, July 5, 2009 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

ITW,

I tend to get irritated with the Evangelical lunacy of Trithoverlies, so don’t take this personally.

The Stern gang received funding and arms from the Italian Fascists to resist the British Mandate in Palestine. In fact, the Stern gang’s collaboration with the Fascists and Nazis was going on while their Jewish brothers were being persecuted in Nazi concentration camps.

When Yitzhak Shamir, was asked to explain their collaboration with the Fascists, he replied:

“The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” (One Palestine Complete , p. 464).

Israel historian, Martin Gilbert, wrote:

“Avraham Stern who had formed a breakaway ‘Irgun in Israel’ movement (also known as the Stern Gang), tried to make contact with Fascist Italy in the hope that, if Mussolini were to conquer the Middle East, he would allow a Jewish State to be set up in Palestine. When Mussolini’s troops were defeated in North Africa, Stern tried to make contacts with Nazi Germany, hoping to sign a pact with Hitler which would lead to a Jewish State once Hitler had defeated Britain. After two members of the Stern’s Gang had killed the Tel Aviv [British] police chief and two of his officers, Stern himself was caught and killed. His followers [chief among them Yitzhak Shamir who led the Stern Gang after Stern’s death] continued on their path of terror.” (Israel: A History, p. 111-112)

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By Inherit The Wind, July 4, 2009 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

Shingo,

this was not one of your best.  I wish people would actually READ history.  Please explain how the fascists in Italy helped Isreal’s founding in 1948.

See, Fascism fell in Italy PRIOR to the end of the war in Europe, which ended in Spring of 1945. 

There was no fascist government to aid Israel’s founding in 1948—it had been destroyed four or five years earlier.

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By Shingo, July 2, 2009 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

Trithoverlies,

There is no evidence of any Stalinism growing in Iran.  Like i said, that was the BS being spread to justify his overthrow.

God is not a real estate agent.

In any case, if you were a Christian and knew anything about the Bible, you would know that the Jews broke the covenant with God and forfeited their right to Israel. 

The Romans did not destroy Israel, in fact, Tel Aviv University scholar Shlomo Zand, estimates that perhaps 10,000 ancient Judeans were vanquished during the Roman wars, and the remaining inhabitants of ancient Judea remained, converting to Islam and assimilating with their conquerors when Arabs subjugated the area. They became the progenitors of today’s Palestinian Arabs, many of whom now live as refugees who were exiled from their homeland during the 20th century.

The Zionists terrorist gangs (most of whom were never born in Palestine) wrestled Palestine from the British in 1948 with help from the Italian fascists allied to the Nazi’s as Jews burned in Germany.  As of 1948, Jews only owned 7% of the land in Palestine, so they long lost any claims to Palestine in general.  In fact, of the Jews that weer in Palestine, very few were even Zionists.

Israel then drove out 800,000 Arabs from their homes, having already committed atrocities like the Deir Yassin massacre.

Though Israeli withdrew from Gaza, they have never let go of their vice like grip on the territory:
The one and only comprehensive scholarly history of Israeli settlements on the occupied territories, called “Lords of the Land”, by Idith Zertal and Akiva Eldar, says this:

“After Israel withdrew it’s forces from Gaza, in August 2005, the ruined territory was not released for even a single day from Israel’s military grip, or from the price of the occupation that the inhabitants pay every day. Israel left behind scotched earth, devastated services, and people with nearly a present or a future. The Jewish settlements were destroyed in an ungenerous move by an unenlightened occupier, which in fact continues to control the territory and kill and harass it’s inhabitants, by means of it’s formidable military might.”

Over the 12 months that followed Israel’s withdrawal, Israel fired 7,700 shells into Gaza and has had Gaza under siege ever since, never letting go of all air, land and sea access to Gaza. 

Israel broke the 2008 ceasefire, having already been in violation of the ceasefire agreement, and launched an attack they had planned for 6 months.  They rejected all calls to extend the ceasefires because as Tzipi Livni told the world, an long ceasefire was not in Israel’s strategic interests.

Amnesty International condemned Israel and rightly so.  Israel massacred 1,400 Palestinians, most of whom were women and children.

The US killed half a million Cambodia due to it’s secret bombing under Nixon and Kissinger.

You might be honest about your belief but you are still a liar.

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By Trithoverlies, July 2, 2009 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

First stop putting words in my mouth I did not say that Mossadegh was a cummunist so don’t accuss me falsely I said that there was a group that was led by men and women trained in The USSR as Stalinist tht was growing in Iran because of rhe the weak government of Mossadegh not that he was a communist in point of fact he was a Democratic beleaver but he was not in the catbirds seat he was assailed on the right by Komenni and other Islamic extremist and assailed on the left by a growing Stalinist style communist movement. Prof. Ehrman is indeed a professor but not at a Seminary he teaches at The University Of North Carolina in the Philosophy department not as a Seminarian. No Proffesor that openly refers to himself as a agnostic would teach at a true Seminary that trains minister of something he doesn’t believe in so again look at the facts not the bull about a Seminary at Chapel Hill there is no such bird there. When you speed read something and see only what you want to see you show the bias that you have built for yourself I admitted I am a Jewish Christian believer in the biblical claim over the Land in Question of Greater Israel every thing to the Euphrates belongs to the decendants of Abraham namely the Jewish Race, no matter how often some Hate mongering Nation has conquered them that Nation didn’t last very long after mistreating God’s chosen People Egypt lasted as a Super power only about 200 years after the 400 year enslavement and repeated murders of the Jewish boy babies. Assyria fell 612 B.C just 111 years after destroying the Northern Kingdom of Israel
and Babylon 607 B.C. conquered Judah the Southern Kingdom and than fell in 539 B.C. to the Armenians/Persians who than 120 years later after the Attempt of Haman to destroy the Jews fell to the Greeks who than destroyed themselve by deviding the spoils into four kingdoms which fell to fighting one another and in than The Jewish under the Maccabees won their independance for about 100 years until the Romans conquered them in 63 B.C. and than destroyed them in 70 A.D. and again in 135 A.D, and in 370 A.D. Rome just 50 years latter was sacked by the Vanduls than the Visagoths, and other Germanic tribes. The Mamuluk Turks gobbeled Jerusalem, and then the Sludjik Turks about 140 years later, who were destroyed by the Crusaders who than were forced to give up the land of Palestine as the Romans had began calling it after the Bar Kochaba revolt was put down in 135 A.D. The Salujiks lost Jerusalem to the Ottamans in the 1300’s than the Ottaman’s lost it to the Brittish in 1917, who lost it to the Jewish people in 1948 on May 16th.  Then the U.N. steps in in 1949 and forces Israel to give up land they had held against 5 Modernly equiped Arab Armies and a Terrorist force of 60,000 under the command of the Mufti of Jerusalem who was an Egyptian not even born in Palestine. then for the next 18 years the West Bank and Gaza Strip were in Arab hands The Jordenians on the West Bank, and the Egyptians on the Gaza Strip and today no Israeli is anywhere on the Gaza Strip and they only went in after of 3 years of continual Rocket attacks from Hamas did they finally responde and Amnesty Internation condemns Israel yet continues to say very little about the Human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran much less North Korea, China, and Meinmar, or Chad, and Niger. Half a million dead in Cambodia what bull PolPot murdered 1.5 million and maybe more in two years so stop listening to the Leftist professors and their 1000% inflated numbers.
  Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
    John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S. My degree is in History and I have done the research that you accuse me of not having done I have seen the vastly inflated numbers against the United States which I will say has made mistakes and backed the wrong people at times but not to anywhere near the same extent as the British, French, Chinese, Soviet Union, and Germans in the last 200 years.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 2, 2009 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

Interesting.  Two posts from Iranians seem to counter most of what “The Contingent” is claiming.  The only thing I have in common with them is with what “FromIran” is asking for: Hands OFF!

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By Al, July 2, 2009 at 9:24 am Link to this comment
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As an Iranian who perhaps has a better understanding about his own country I should mention a few points. The democratically elected government of Dr Mossadegh in one word was democratic and remains as a symbol of democracy in the eyes of Iranians because it came from the people and it relied on the people for its survival. after Mossadegh nationalized the oil industries the entire western world put a tight sanction on Iranian oil exports and therefore the government was practically crippled. What he did in return was to establish a national taxing system for the first and last time in Iranian history. Thus with no dependence on the oil revenues he succeeded in keeping the country on foot whilst on the other hand like any other nation depending on the people for its economy the government had to become responsive and therefore democratic. The loyalists the commies the clerics were all against him but as he had to rely on them for securing his economy he could not suppress any of them.
After the operation Ajax and the fall of Mossadegh the governments to be, analyzed his democratic weaknesses and developed a counter measure against possible coups. This in particular was orchestrated by the British and American intelligence who preferred most a ruthless dictatorial government ruling over Iran to secure the flow of oil. The doctrine of self defense became effective after that. This doctrine is based on suppressing any means of people’s economic entrance into the national area and following a path of single product (oil) economy. This way the government isolates itself from the need of people’s taxation money and in the meanwhile unlike west always keeps the people in need of receiving the oil money for life.
For the acknowledgment of my fellow Iranians I should mention that during the first years of Reza Shah’s reign in Iran which many Iranians still consider as golden years the same economic situation existed in Iran. with very little oil revenue the government had to rely on the very little taxation money that it could secure from the people and people remember that the most fundamental things were accomplished during that period. whilst after the change in Iranian economy because of the change in Anglo-Iranian oil company policies suddenly Reza shah turned from a national figure to a ruthless dictator.

The problem with Iran is not this or that government. It’s the flow of oil underneath our feet. If oil did not exist Iran would sooner or later become a country like India. a real democracy with full dependency of economy on the masses and not on its underground.

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By FromIran, July 2, 2009 at 2:52 am Link to this comment
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Hi, I am from Iran and I do identify with most of the things you said here and I can say that most Iranians would agree with you. Though at times your criticism of the US government was not accompanied with facts, e.g., I doubt that CIA is actively operating in Iran.
All I have to say is that the best thing the West can do regarding Iran or those countries struggling for freedom is to do absolutely NOTHING. believe me whatever you do, praise or denounce, support or reject,..., anything, is going to give an excuse to the dictators for further repression. and I mean it when I say ‘Nothing’, the leaders must do nothing even at the expense of being criticized over not articulating their support for human rights and core values on which America was founded. This whole notion that since America is a superpower it has a moral obligation to stand for freedom anywhere in the world has cost American people and the oppressed people around the world dearly and it is not working. What good does it do to show your good will and support at the expense of a further crackdown of the oppressed? I wish Obama wouldn’t yield to criticisms and stayed away from any sort of commenting on the situation in Iran. He did pretty good in the early days, but soon he took a more critical stance which immediately meant a further crackdown in Iran. If you have to make a comment, the best stance would be to say “well, here in America, we would allow peaceful and public dissent and we have a tradition of doing so…” rather than saying what another government or the oppressed should do. By doing nothing, a valuable chance is given to the oppressed to operate inherently and shake off from themselves any accusations of being under the influence of foreign agents. In such a situation, the regimes would be left with nothing but overwhelming criticism and opposition against what they are doing internally which they can’t escape from.

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By Shingo, July 1, 2009 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

Trithoverlies,

The Stalin theory is complete bunk and was spread as a way of demonizing Mossadegh.  Stalin made no inroads into any of the Islamic countries.

As a Zionist and Conservative, you are by defition, incapable on knowing truth and impaired with a filter that distorts all reason and facts.

Lies are spread by those on the right and left, yet by your own admission, the only lies you are capable of recognizing as those that come from one political side.  That makes you incapable of knowing which way is up or knowing your ass from your elbow.

Yes, 19 men did fly aircraft into buildings to kill thousands of innocent people.  Does that mean of those 19 men had been piloting F-16’s and dropped laser guided bombs on those buildings to kill thousands of innocent people you would consider that a sign of virtue?

What about carpet bombing Cambodia and killing half a million the way our RIGHT WING government at the time did?  Was that evil or noble?

Evil is an assinine word that lazy people with very small brains use to try and make sense of the world and explain away events they can’t comprehend.

God is a different thing to different people, though I suspect your understanding of God is based on some cult that told you God put George Bush in the White House and that Obama’s election is proof the Devil is on the move.

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By KDelphi, July 1, 2009 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

What school did you go to that you were indoctrinated by Ayers or Churchill?
Bart Erhmens (I wondered who he was) is a prof at a N. Carolina Theological seminary right? His site doesnt look “liberal” to me.

None of these three people seem to have much in common, to me.

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By Trithoverlies, June 30, 2009 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

First Stalin would not have taken over Iran but puppets that he could control would have the Democatic movement in Iran was from the start weak and in trouble on both sides the Radical Islamics who hated it for the idea that man should make up his or her own mind without being forced one way or another. And on the left the Student lead Communist who were backed by the KGB also hated the Idea of all being equal they like the Pig Napolean in Animal farm thought some pigs are more equal than others and should make all the decissions for all. As Far as Being a Zionist and Conservative I am Both but I have seen the lies being spread all over the internet by the leftist who do exist whether you want to believe it or not and the fact that 19 men took over aircraft with the one goal of flying them into buildings to kill thousands of innocent people tells me that true Evil does exist agian whether you want to believe it or not. You can’t stick your heads in the sand and pretend that evil doesn’t exist because if good people do that then Evil has already won and you might aswell bow a knee and say There is no other God then Allah and Mohamid is His prophet and start praying five time a day facing Mecca.
        Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
          John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S. I went to the same liberal colleges as most do and was indoctrinated by the Leftist profs like Ward Churchill, and Bill Ayers. I researched and found out over many years just how deluded these Profs are and today I have read the bolonga that prof. Bart Erhmans spews forth and know the truth that he refusses to see with 24,000
Manuscripts that agree with one another and only 800 that don’t its time to say it Erhman doesn’t want people to know that he bases his Agnostic theology on a very small minority of pieces that don’t agree with one another so I will end with this true textural critics take the types of little errors into account when Prof. Erhman tell 300,000 to 400,000 errors he forgets to tell you that 90% of them are actuall spelling errors in names, which are only variant spellings due to the fact that John is not spelled the same in all languages. So I have learned to take what the profs say and parriot it back on test but to find the truth elsewhere.I do this also with Newspeople 97% are very liberal and their bias colors their reporting just as much as the Liberal profs, and all Politicians that includes President Obamessiah

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By Folktruther, June 27, 2009 at 10:52 pm Link to this comment

Shingo, Trith is not an ignoramus; somebody taught him all those fantasies.  He is the right wing equivilent of the Zionists in the Dem party.  they both just make things up and assert them as truths.  but they are COMMUNAL truths which they use to Educate and Inform each other. 

When Inherit says that Ed Harges supports the construction of an Arab Calaphate, or that the whole world is anti-Semitic, its exactly the same kind of thing.  Religious presuppositions which legitimate political delusions.

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By Shingo, June 27, 2009 at 9:22 pm Link to this comment

Trithoverlies,

There was never any threat to the Iranian government being taken over by Stalin. The reason Mossadegh was taken out was because he wanted to keep the proceeds for Iran’s oil within Iran.

We stepped to put a murderous dictator in power, not a stable thriving government.  Iran’s politicians were murdered in 1953.

The Shah had no interest in modernizing Iran, but raping teh nations of it’s resources for het benefit of Western interests.  Iran was a thriving progressive nation in 1953.

No, the Religious fundamentalists were not worse that the Shah.  In fact, they murdereed nowhere near the number of people the Shah did.

This had nothing to do with America’s defense, but the bottom line for multinational oil concerns.

It was a massive mistake and we, as well as Iran, has paid a massive price for our monumental stupidity every since.

Mushareff never had any interest is removing the Taliban or Al Qaeda.  Pakistan learned from the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan that once the conflict is over, the money dries up.

Our invasion of Iraq is what has emboldened the Muslim extremists because a ragtag army in Iraq has managed to draw the US into a quagmire and prove that we are not invincible. The Europeans werre smart and realized this, which is why the US has become the object of pity and scorn in Europe. A once great nation has been humiliated.

Your rancid inslamophobia is alive and well.  You are an ignoramus with poor knowledge and well as appalling comprehension skills.

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By Trithoverlies, June 27, 2009 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

What Chris Hodges forgot to tell you is in 1953 the Democracy was threatened by communist Take over as Stalin was flexing the Soviet Unions Muscle which at the Time was much more potent then 1980. We stepped in to bring about a stable thriving government from the weak ailling Democracy that was failing and If Stalin had gotton his way the Democratic President and every democratic politician in the Country of Iran would have been murdered along with their immediate families not put under house arrest. I also remind you that the Aytollahs would have disappeared into the Stalinist prisons where they would have died without any word reaching the people,or the world.  Instead the Leaders were exiled to France where for the next 25 years they ran a Extremist Islamic terrorist network undermining the Shaw’s attempt to modernize a nation that had been stuch in the 14th Century till the end of Word War II. Did the Shaw do everthing right NO, but did he do everthing wrong No. When He was overthrown by the Religeous Extremist in 1979 they were 1000 times worse than the Shaw’s Government, and today we see that playing out as reformist are being arrested, murdered, and Demonstrrators are diapperaing into the prisons never to reapear.  What we did was step into stabalize a government tettoring on the edge of falling to the communist. I do think what we did at the time was a must do to insure America’s deffense, and you today can’t even imagine the threats hanging over our head in 1953 with Communist China, Communist North Korea, and the Soviet Union. Was what we did right if compaired to the alternative of a Communist regime in Tahran Yes. Look at what is happening where you liberals tried to run things The only hope of stoping the Talihban in Pakistan Was Musheref, in Somalli a liberal American President sacrificed American lives and when push came to shuv he cut and ran, and now pirates run the nation savagely. Remember in 1993 we were the only superpower and could have more easily destroyed these Islamic Extremist but with each passing State Department mistake from 1979 to 2001 the Islamic Extremist were emboldened so 2001 happened than they Isolated us through fear in a gutless Europe and in the U.N. which talks big but never delivers!  Why do you think Iran is the way it is today because more often then not our State Department has never taken into consideration the Idea that there is something truly evil lurking out there, and every weakness we exhibit leads to that Evil getting stronger The only way that evil wins is for good people to do nothing a quote from before the American Civil War. America today is more vunrable then at anytime before 911.  The American Crimenal Liberties Union has been undermining national security the Anti-Constitutional Government in power today has been undermining our security on every level yet the mainstream News Media want bad mouth their Messiah for rising Taxes the most in American History if the Cap and Trade Bill is passed in both Congress and Senate and a compromise bill is signed into law The U.S.A. is about to become the U.S.S.A. (the United Socialist States of Amerika).    Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
      John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Jenefer Ellingston, June 27, 2009 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment
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In your article above you write that US Intelligence didn’t see the rebellion that overthrew the Shah, coming.
It’s not because they weren’t warned. The other European embassies (France, Germany, Italy etc.) were warned and emptied out quickly; and they made sure the US Embassy was also alerted. But the US chose to stay.

After the fact - “hostages” are held for ransom. What was the “ransom” that we refused to pay?
Grateful for a reply.
Jenefer Ellingston

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By mandinka, June 25, 2009 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment

No question that Hidgens is right. We took democracy away from them and they set up a great government when they expelled the Shah.
Since the Shah the Iranian gov’t has $0 on their oil infrastructure and are quickly heading back to their camel herding days

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By Robert, June 25, 2009 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

Which Life Was More Valuable?

Death on Camera


June 24, 2009 “Jews sans frontieres”—“The following video, which probably half the world has seen, captures the death on camera of young Iranian woman killed while non-violently protesting for her rights. CNN broadcasted it. It a “symbol.”

   

The video on the other hand, is of the death on camera of Bassem Abu Rameh, a young Palestinian non-violent protester, near the apartheid wall that cuts into Bil’in. It wasn’t broadcast on CNN. It is not a “symbol.”   


We even have a picture of the alleged murderer of Bassem, probably posted on Israeli indymedia by eye-witnesses. (on top is the word ‘murderer’ in Hebrew). CNN can probably solve a murder case of a protester and bring the criminal to justice without spending more than a $100 of investigative journalism. Why don’t they do it?

Shame on CNN for caring about the death of non-violent protesters according to the interests of U.S. foreign domination. The love these journalists professes for Neda is just as racist as the their indifference towards Bassem. Indeed, it is the same racism.

Broadcast the death of Bassem!”

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Click on link below for details. Our zionist/AIPAC controlled news media almost always shield Israel’s IDF killing crimes of innocent Palestinian civilians:

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22909.htm

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By morgan1, June 25, 2009 at 5:48 am Link to this comment
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I have a real problem with Obama stating he respects the sovereignty of Iran when the opposite is true. There are spies in Iran working with protesters and demonstrators to do “regime change”. Covert ops have been going on for years with the same end desired—Obama has not halted those operations either. Sanctions are in place to bring down the govt. I am sure there are other options on-going to create a more friendly govt.to the US. The lessons of the past have not taken as the WH is doing what it has always done: Military force to get its way. Iran is a great example of what the US did to that country and its people that created this mess and why they hate us and know we cannot be trusted. Obama has now become part of the on-going problem.

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By Gary, June 24, 2009 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment
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You are a national treasure, Mr. Hedges.

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By Arabian Sinbad, June 24, 2009 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment
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As usual, Chris Hedges proves to be the ultimate speaker of truth to corrupt and misguided power.

Facts wise, there is no new revelations that I did not know. However, Chris Hedges’s valuable contribution is his ability to speak truth to power and expose the hypocrisy, double standard and the corruption of the American political-military-financial-industrial complex. Such corrupted and morally bankrupt system is the reason for the seemingly hardline reaction from the leaders of Iran. With justification, due to the hard facts of American abuses in Iran and the whole area, I don’t blame the Iranian power structure for their crack down on instigators and rioters supported by the usual suspected colonial policies and plotting.

Only the truth and facing it will have the power, in the long run, to liberate the Iranian people and the American people from what seems to me the tyranny and counter-tyranny of both power structures in these two countries. And Chis Hedges’ credit rests in the fact that he contributes to the truth from the side of the country of whom he is a citizen!

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By Inherit The Wind, June 24, 2009 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 24 at 4:31 pm #

ITW: writes:

”...Now, all the heavy guns at TD have “betrayed” you and FT—they aren’t following your dogma about Iran….so TheBeerDoctor explained.”

ITW, I believe the good beerdoctor was referring not to myself, but to those who, as he wrote, “deemed [Robert Fisk] part of some conspiracy.” I never said that, nor do I believe it. I believe that Fisk has been caught up in a great romantic oversimplification concerning what is happening in Iran. I believe that he has to some degree lost perspective, because as a liberal (like myself) he has been so emotionally moved by the sight of the Iranian demonstrators and their mistreatment at the hands of their government.
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Uh-huh. You keep saying “I believe” and IMHO, you do, which is, of course, the problem of all didactic believers.

It’s not just Fisk. It’s Pfaff and Hedges as well. They are ALL saying the same thing.

So far, the ONLY thing you said about Iran that I agree with is we should NOT interfere. 

It’s like when a couple is fighting and contemplating divorce.  You don’t take sides because if they get back together and reconcile they will remember YOU trying to break them up. And you’ll be the bad guy!

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By Kesey Seven, June 24, 2009 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

Imagine if in 1979 President Jimmy Carter could have went on television and said: 

“In 1953 we orchestrated a coup that overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran. We replaced that government with a man who later was referred to as a butcher, a butcher of human beings. And we did it for oil. We are now paying the price for that oil. We will continuing paying the price.” And so forth.

Such a statement would have changed the course of history.  Instead, it took another 22 years for us to understand the true price of oil.  In that time we had Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush, all of whom pursued a no-win energy policy
supporting dictators tyrants kings corporations
at the expense of the education system
at the expense of the health care system
at the expense of the transportation system
at the expense of the financial system
at the expense of people all over the world
who were starved and slaughtered
by our amoral energy policy
and our amoral foreign policy. 

Ignorance is fatal.

Kesey Seven

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By KDelphi, June 24, 2009 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, Ed, but have you read his stuff? I guess two wrongs dont make a right, but, he’s so self-righteous, I couldnt resist.

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By Ed Harges, June 24, 2009 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

re: By KDelphi, June 24 at 4:49 pm:

You would have to be mean about it!

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By KDelphi, June 24, 2009 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

Trithoverlies—The “Shaw” of Iran?

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By Ed Harges, June 24, 2009 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

ITW: writes:

”...Now, all the heavy guns at TD have “betrayed” you and FT—they aren’t following your dogma about Iran….so TheBeerDoctor explained.”

ITW, I believe the good beerdoctor was referring not to myself, but to those who, as he wrote, “deemed [Robert Fisk] part of some conspiracy.” I never said that, nor do I believe it. I believe that Fisk has been caught up in a great romantic oversimplification concerning what is happening in Iran. I believe that he has to some degree lost perspective, because as a liberal (like myself) he has been so emotionally moved by the sight of the Iranian demonstrators and their mistreatment at the hands of their government.

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By prosefights, June 24, 2009 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

To understand the hatred of the United States in Iran, we have to go further back than 1979—to 1953, when Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh had the gall to care more about his country than what the British and the United States wanted.


The two superpowers were angry that he nationalized oil interests—at the time Anglo-Iranian Oil, now known as British Petroleum, was receiving 93 percent of oil proceeds and the Iranians were getting 7 percent.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/24/martin.obama.iran/index.html

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/vazquez/vazquez.htm#mossadegh

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By Cam, June 24, 2009 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

Good for you Chris Hedges!!! A REAL journalist with the balls to tell the truth! Much respect!

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By Folktruther, June 24, 2009 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

It is incrasingly obvious that this Big Lie of a “Stolen Election” was part of a US disinformation campaign funded by Congress under Bush and continued by Obama. It is supported by Zionists and militarists who want to bomb Iran, and by psuedo-Progressive truthers who back it.

It is evident that the US is going to continue to impose Freedom&Demmocracy; the way it did in Iraq,
Afganistan, Palestine and now Pakistan. US funded terrorist organizations are already blowing up mosques full of people and no doubt other terror bombings and acts are in store.  this will make the fifth country in which the US is promoting Freedoom&Democracy; by violence, using Israel as a surrogate in Palestine and supporters in the others.  And Britain is now involved in Iran, as it was in Iraq, Brown following Blair as the US poodle.

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By tman, June 24, 2009 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

I only have one comment on the Iranian election. They are offered the same choices that the Americans receive:
Rat number one or Rat number two. No matter who you vote for you still end up with a ” RAT “.

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By samosamo, June 24, 2009 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Eisenhower gave british petroleum Iranian oil by the overthrow of a middle eastern government and put in place a creep as de facto puppet leader, loyal to oil, of the ‘new’ Iran, all with the use of our almost brand spanking new central intelligence agency.

As always, the oil companies are what our congress and military function for, not the people, be those on the receiving end of our imperial empire nor the people in this country.

And the people in this country still cling to a superstition that all will or actually IS going to be alright and they can continue to ignore those ‘men behind the curtain’ because they trust them.

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By vonbargen, June 24, 2009 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

In response to Mr. Hansing: perhaps intending sarcasm, he suggests that we entered WWII in order to save the lives of Jews.  While I wish that were the reason, I know better and the Jewish population of the world was decimated.
In response to the quote from Michael Scheuer, Mr. Scheuer’s expertise is undermined by his apparent inability to stop contradicting himself.

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By Robert, June 24, 2009 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

“Michael Scheuer: “Obama Managed To Keep His Big Mouth Shut While Israelis Killed 1500 People In Gaza!”

3 Minute Video

June 22, 2009


http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22899.htm

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By Benny, June 24, 2009 at 10:05 am Link to this comment
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Bravo Mr. Hedges. I’m Iranian, but I’ve lived in North America since I was a child. I still have ties with Iran. As a historian, I commend your article, because it is true. The meddling of the one country has brought an entire region of the world, one of history’s greatest civilizations, to its knees; or at least its trying to. But Iranians are still fighting back. Aside from a few deranged primitive mullahs (ie: Khamenei) most Iranians still view the West and US with fondness and dream of moving there to live a free life. The sad part is, Iran used to be a free country. Yes the Shah was a dictator, but there were still countless freedoms granted to people, which got taken away when these dirty old mullahs took over. We have shown are strength and resistance, that we are more intelligent than those mullahs and deserve a better life and country. If the US really wants to help us with our struggle, they should stop waging wars left right and center, stop provoking inner fighting in the middle east and stop the fighting in Palestine! Give these people a land and half the region will be in peace. The world should have and should continue to show support for politicians that are clearly more intelligent than the rest of the mullahs, such as Khatami & now, Mousavi. Khatami is one of the most educated men Iranian politics has seen since 1953, and is a wise and intelligent man. You didn’t help his reform while he was in office (probably because it wasn’t of any benefit to the states at that point) but now, the world needs to wake up and listen to men like him and Mousavi, to realize that there are good people trying to better Iran into the great nation it once was.

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By ron hansing, June 24, 2009 at 8:59 am Link to this comment
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Lets see, yes, a lot of mistakes have been made in the past. But that is water under the bridge.

Shouldn’t we still support democratic ideas today.

Iran is a dictatorship… So because of mistakes in the past, means we should just stay out of it…

Does that mean that we should’ve stayed out of WWII, and let the Germans kill off all the Jews?

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By Dalmazio, June 24, 2009 at 8:22 am Link to this comment

Well said Mr. Hedges.

Bravo.

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By vonbargen, June 24, 2009 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

Bravo, Mr. Hedges:
I wish I could beam your passionate comments from the rooftops of America, simultaneously jamming the transmissions of the modern day William Randolph Hearsts at Fox News and other warmongering machines.

The many “quagmires” in which we are immersed are the result of chronic ignorance of history and a media controlled by corporate interests with no interest in accuracy or in enlightening us.

Don’t give up.  We need your voice of passion combined with reason and wisdom.

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By marc, June 24, 2009 at 7:00 am Link to this comment
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I offer a movie that what great in 1965 and was before it’s time: “The Ugly American” with Marlon Brando, a story how we spoil the innocence of democracy in other countries and create dictators, and then change the channel when we can’t take it anymore. America hasn’t changed in 3 centuries, that’s sad.

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By thebeerdoctor, June 24, 2009 at 3:25 am Link to this comment

Robert on this site said it best: “Whatever your views on the legitimacy of Ahmadinejad and the accuracy of the Iranian election results, the fact that the Anglo-American establishment and its media organs are exploiting and fanning the flames of chaos in Iran to provoke further instability is unquestionable.”
So it is not in the least surprising that President BHO had to add his two cents worth at his news conference yesterday. So Obama is appalled by the crackdown. I’m sure the same thing is being said on 10 Downing Street. I’m sure you will hear this in Tel Aviv. How can anyone even attempt to describe the disingenuousness of this concern?
Ever since the Shah was thrown out of power in Iran the United States has been in various stages of constant war against this country. Are support of Iraq in the nearly eight year long war with Iran, was seen by U.S. officials as a counterbalance to the Islamic uprising, cynically best described by Henry Kissinger, when he said of that war: “it’s a pity they both can’t lose.”
Now we have the first multi-racial president who is appalled by all the brutal violence. Really? The same United States that at one time tried to blame Iran for Saddam Hussein’s poison gas attacks. The same U.S.A. who launched “Operation Praying Mantis” and who obviously were also appalled when Iran put mines in their territorial waters, because no one, and I do mean no one, should ever get in the way of the United States Navy.

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By Outraged, June 23, 2009 at 11:13 pm Link to this comment

Article quote:  “Iranians do not need or want us to teach them about liberty and representative government. They have long embodied this struggle. It is we who need to be taught.”

That they have.  Thank you, Mr. Hedges.  I’ve read the majority of comments (hey, sometimes you fall behind) but either way, the Iranians do NOT WANT intervention, they want political support….. they can and DO, fight their own battles, however grievous.  And for many of us….. it is grievous, heart-wrenchingly so.

On the flip-side, I agree.  Where’s America’s outrage… where’s OUR demands.  There is a measure, sure….. but not enough, not enough.

Let’s clean up “our own backyard” before we start imaginging that we can do the world “so much good”. The truth is we “could” (given our enormous funds), but we do not, simply because we have not yet DEMANDED justice here at home, nor experienced justice, right here….. in America.

AMERICA, get your game on.  This is you, this is me, this is the WORLD.

Single Payer is one among MANY issues, AMERICA needs to DEMAND.  Healthcare NOT Warfare, the two, at least at this point…. go hand in hand.

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By rockinrobin, June 23, 2009 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment
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WW11 was provocked DELIBERATELY by the USA; they FED the information to the Japanese and the “I hate war!” impassoned speech by Roosevelt was LIES just like all our Gov does to MISLEAD, DECEIVE; Stimson, Sec of war, recorded Roosevelt’s statement “hope we don’t get hit to hard” on the Fri PRIOR TO Pearl Harbor attack; not content to be TYRANTS over just a few folks, they wanted to bully everyone.
The USA is CARRYING OUT Hitler’s agenda in the world today; Rumsfeld, author & fabricator of “we are a force for good” to DECEIVE the PUBLIC: of the USA; was the author of torture & has been which has exceeded theirs; Hitler did NOT die in a bunker, his body never found. He lived out his fullness of days in the USA; every nation has KNOWN that our Gov is CRIMINAL folks; and the PEOPLE of the USA enslaved by Corps with a fasist gov & wondered why we put up with it; WE are the nation NO OTHER will buy from due to the CHEMICALS: news flash! it is NOT CHINA;
Our GOV “claiming” to be a nation of “law” CONSTANTLY ignores, changes, & does NOT follow any laws at all; and Robert Gates stated “there IS no international law”; we weapon up bullies & tyrants and tell them to HOLD THE FOOD with guards til the PEOPLE PAY MORE! THIS they claim is “democracy”; “politicians” is a SUPERIOR class; LIVE LARGE, be in CHARGE; SEE: with the GOV & CORPS working UNITEDLY AGAINST THE PEOPLE: they can “set” prices higher higher higher; claiming “cost of living”; BACKED by JUDGES who are more criminal than any appearing before them; THIS is why DEMOCRACY has become the most despised name on the planet;
FAIR TRADE benefits the PEOPLE and the ENVIRONMENT: this MUST be SQUASHED at ALL COSTS! (in the NAME of DEMOCRACY!) guess what FREE trade does folks?

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By Trithoverlies, June 23, 2009 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment

We gave Iran a currupt Shaw, what they got in 1979 was an even more evil and domineering Islamic Sharia law code Government much harsher and less free than with the Shaw.  I really hate these revisionist Historians that forget that the Shaw did not kill the Ayatollah but sent him into exile where he ran his own terrorist network for years. the Government that this earlier Iran had was headed for a meltdown into a Communist state which I remind you would have been 100 times worse than the Shaw. Did the Shaw do everything right No, but did he do every thing wrong also No where as the communist would have eradicated the Islamist Extremist and at that time they could do so remember who lead the Comunist Impire Stalin and Cairman Mao. By 1980 a much weakened and less effective Comunism existed. I am only trying to get both sides of the picture out not the one sided snap shot given in Chris Hodges Column. Unlike what happened to those under Comunism where they were not placed under house arrest but sent to Labianka Prison, and if they survived that to Siberia.
    Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
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By samosamo, June 23, 2009 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

Most tell tale is the part where ‘where was the public’s out cry’ or public demonstrations about the supreme court appointing w & dick leaders of the USA, over the real vote of the people, of which they actually used the USA to further those neocon agendas that are every bit corporate and izraeli inspired.

I believe the american public should be so outraged about what our government is doing in our, the people’s, name but instead nothing but a faint whisper ‘wishing’ is was not so or it was different because to get rid of the criminal infestation of our government, the corporate crime bosses, and the treasonous media which is supposed to expose and not aid and abet these charlatans in their endeavours, would require an effort, one that would not be much different than what those earlier founders of this country did to rid itself of the infection of imperial england and that appears to be too hard of a thing to do and not even the future of our legacies who will inherit our trash moves us to do anything, and in that we hope THEY find the cure.
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Had an ass that was not quite in place,
And he showed indignation
When an investigation
Showed that some people shit through their face.
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That is about all I get from our government, media, corporations and religious fanatics in this country but it works because the people just keep lapping it up.

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By Robert, June 23, 2009 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

BBC Caught In Mass Public Deception With Iran Propaganda

Postby joeblowman » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:40 pm

http://www.infowars.com/bbc-caught-in-m ... ropaganda/

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, June 18, 2009


“The BBC has again been caught engaging in mass public deception by using photographs of pro-Ahmadinejad rallies in Iran and claiming they represent anti-government protests in favor of Hossein Mousavi.

An image used by the L.A. Times on the front page of its website Tuesday showed Iranian President Ahmadinejad waving to a crowd of supporters at a public event.

In a story covering the election protests yesterday, the BBC News website used a closer shot of the same scene, but with Ahmadinejad cut out of the frame. The caption under the photograph read, ‘Supporters of Mir Hossein Mousavi again defied a ban on protests’.

The BBC photograph is clearly a similar shot of the same pro-Ahmadinejad rally featured in the L.A. Times image, yet the caption erroneously claims it represents anti-Ahmadinejad protesters.


“Well I guess it sure was a popular fictional rally for Mousavi, because I later noticed while browsing the news sites a familiar picture on the BBC’s lead Iran story - it shows the same crowd, zoomed in to cut out Ahmadinejad,” a reader told the WhatReallyHappened website. “It is clearly the same protest as in the background are the same tree and odd circular building. However, the BBC managed to outdo the LA times in quality reporting - their actual comment under the photo from the huge PRO-Ahmadinejad rally reads ‘Supporters of Mir Hossein Mousavi again defied a ban on protests’ - a blatant lie and deliberately misleading description of what is actually occurring in Iran!”

As soon as the truth about the misrepresented images surfaced on the WhatReallyHappened website yesterday, the BBC changed the photo caption on their original article.

This is not the first time the BBC has been caught red-handed using crude image and video framing techniques for the purposes of political propaganda.

During the fall of Baghdad in April 2003, the BBC and other mainstream news outlets broadcast closely framed footage of the “mass uprising” during which Iraqis, aided by U.S. troops, toppled the Saddam Hussein statue in Fardus Square.

The closely framed footage was used to imply that hundreds or thousands of Iraqis were involved in a Berlin Wall-style “historic” liberation, yet when wide angle shots were later published on the Internet, footage that was never broadcast on live television, the reality of the “mass uprising” became clear. The crowd around the statue was sparse and consisted mostly of U.S. troops and journalists. The BBC later had to admit that only “dozens” of Iraqis had participated in toppling the statue. The entire scene was a manufactured farce yet the propaganda technique of blocking wide-angle shots from being broadcast convinced the world that the event represented a triumphant and historic mass popular uprising on behalf of the Iraqi people.

Whatever your views on the legitimacy of Ahmadinejad and the accuracy of the Iranian election results, the fact that the Anglo-American establishment and its media organs are exploiting and fanning the flames of chaos in Iran to provoke further instability is unquestionable.

Indeed, the U.S. State Department, which routinely demonizes the Internet as a tool of extremists and terrorists when it is used to criticize U.S. foreign policy, took the unprecedented step today of requesting that Twitter.com “delay planned maintenance work so that Iranian protesters can continue to use it to post images and reports of unrest,” according to a London Times report.”


http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6022#p23486

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By Inherit The Wind, June 23, 2009 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 23 at 1:57 pm #

ITW writes:

“Of course, this form of logic and validation methodology is beyond you.  You don’t have a proper editing mechanism and FT only has a rudimentary one.

Your thinking doesn’t change with new facts. It doesn’t evolve with new facts. “

ITW, you do a lot of this trick, not only to me but to others: “You’re really stupid, not like those other, smarter guys I disagree with.” But then I read what you say to them, and it’s just as insulting. It’s like some parenting trick of yours - “I wish you were better behaved, like your sister.” You don’t respect FT any more than you respect me, so cut the crap.

And my position is plenty nuanced. I believe that the protests in Iran are genuine and in good faith, even if these people have been manipulated by foreign meddlers. Protesters have a right to express their political opinions freely EVEN IF THEY ARE WRONG AND EVEN IF THEY ARE BEING MANIPULATED BY FOREIGN PROPAGANDA.

The “stolen election” is a lie, but many people in Iran seem genuinely to believe the lie, and they ought not to be violently attacked by their government for expressing their opinions. And of course, the protesters are also very brave to insist on expressing themselves in the face of this violence, even if they are mistaken about the “stolen” election.

I also depise theocratic governments in general, including the semi-theocratic (and ever more theocratic) government of Israel. I further despise ethnic supremacist governments - and Israel’s government is much more ethnocentric than Iran’s.

I am perfectly consistent. You are warped by your intransigent Jewish exceptionalism.

Here’s the best response. I couldn’t say this any better than TBD does, and probably not as well:

By thebeerdoctor, June 23 at 1:25 pm #

re: Inherit The Wind

I’ll let the verbal battle between you and the gang on TD to rage on. But it is true that there is real trouble amongst the electorate in Iran.
I find it remarkable that as soon as some uncomfortable fact gets in the way, a person reporting it is deemed part of some conspiracy. If Robert Fisk mentions the numerous state sponsored executions in Iran in 1988, which did happen, then suddenly the 60 year plus reporter, deemed to be anti-west according to the NY Times, is suddenly working for British intelligence and all things that smack of western imperialism. If Chris Hedges even brings up the deplorable social abuse imposed by the Shia Muslim clerics, then the former NY Times correspondent must have connections with the CIA.
The people who want to squeeze everything through the U.S. imperial filter tend to ignore such fundamental concerns as womens’ rights and religious bigotry imposed by Iran’s theocratic system.

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Now, “cut the crap” EH:

I see you as just as much a fanatical religious believer as Christian96 or Colin or TruthOverLies.  You just have a different religion, but you believe it without question even in the face of obvious discrepancies.

You are also a vigorous anti-semite who would weep with joy if Israel was overrun and all her people slaughtered—you’d rationalize it as you rationalize everything. You’ve already said nearly as much.

Now, all the heavy guns at TD have “betrayed” you and FT—they aren’t following your dogma about Iran….so TheBeerDoctor explained.

I am a skeptic, not a cynic.  You are a cynic.

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By Robert, June 23, 2009 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

Seeing Through All the Propaganda About Iran

By Eric Margolis

June 23, 2009 “Lew Rockwell”—WASHINGTON – “Iran’s political crisis continues to blaze. It’s still impossible to say which leaders or factions will emerge victorious, but one thing is certain: the earthquake in the Islamic Republic is shaking the Mideast and deeply confusing everyone, including the US government.

Highlighting the complexity of this crisis, Meir Dagan, the head of Israel’s intelligence agency, Mossad, reportedly voiced his hope that Iran’s embattled president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, would remain in office. On the surface, that sounds absurd, since Ahmadinejad is Israel’s Great Satan.

But, according to Dagan, if Ahmadinejad’s supposedly “moderate” rival, Mir Hossein Mousavi, came to power, it would be harder for Israel to keep up its propaganda war against Iran over Tehran’s nuclear program.

Besides, added the Mossad chief, the devil you know is better.

Meanwhile, we have been watching an intensifying western propaganda campaign against Iran, mounted by the US and British governments. What we hear is commentary and analysis that comes from bitterly anti-regime Iranian exiles, “experts” with an ax to grind, and US pro-Israel neocons yearning for war with Iran.

In viewing the Muslim world, Westerners keep listening to those who tell them what they want to hear, rather than the facts. We are at it again in Iran.

President Barack Obama’s properly stated he would refrain from being seen to “meddle” in Iran’s internal affairs in spite of calls by hard-line Republicans for American action – whatever that might be. Obama did the right thing by apologizing for the US/British coup that overthrew Iran’s democratic Mossadegh government in 1953.

But that was not the whole story. Washington has been attempting to overthrow Iran’s Islamic government since the 1979 revolution and continues to do so in spite of pledges of neutrality in the current crisis.

The US has laid economic siege to Iran for 30 years, blocking desperately needed foreign investment, preventing technology transfers, and disrupting Iranian trade. In recent years, the US Congress voted $120 million for anti-regime media broadcasts into Iran, and $60-75 million funding opposition parties, violent underground Marxists like the Mujahidin-i-Khalq, and restive ethnic groups like Azeris, Kurds, and Arabs under the so-called “Iran Democracy Program.”

The arm of Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, remains withered from a bomb planted by the US-backed Mujahidin-i-Khalq, who were once on the US terrorist list.

Pakistani intelligence sources put CIA’s recent spending on “black operations” to subvert Iran’s government at $400 million.

According to an ABC News investigation, President George Bush signed a “finding” that authorized an accelerated campaign of subversion against the Islamic Republic. Washington’s goal was “regime change” in Tehran and installation of a pro-US regime of former Iranian royalist exiles.

While the majority of protests we see in Tehran are genuine and spontaneous, Western intelligence agencies and media are playing a key role in sustaining the uprising and providing communications, including the newest electronic method, via Twitter. These are covert techniques developed by the US during recent revolutions in Ukraine and Georgia that brought pro-US governments to power.”

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22898.htm

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By smhb, June 23, 2009 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment
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Well, whats interesting is that we have a lot of experts who really dont have any historical perspective on the subject of Iran.
From 1900 to 1978 Iran was a playground for russian and british colonial interests and later on the US imperial domination through the shah.
After the bolshevik revolution the russians withdrew their colonial demands and left the scene in Iran to their competitor turned enemy the british. The brits continued with their machinations, interventions , coups and invasions to impose their colonial demands and interest on Iran. The 1918 british invasion of Iran from Iraq and the subsequent rise to power of reza khan at the behest of the brits is only the begining of a painful chapter in Iran’s history. All through these times the only credible and effective leadership that resisted british colonial rule was offered by the ulema (clergy) as they had deep grass roots support and were able to efectively mobilize the population at various times such as the tobbaco movement. However all of those movements starting with the constitutional movement were crushed and subjugated.

The 1978 Islamic revolution is the actual culmination of 80 years of struggle against foreign domination and their domestic tyrants.

After WWII the only thing that really changed in Iran was that the brits who were the sole dominant colonial power in Iran, stealing her resources (oil) and geopolitically benefiting from that colony was forced to share the spoils with the newly dominant imperial power, USA.

After the 1953 coup, the american role and control of Iran’s resources and military and police became more pronounced and by mid 60’s the israelis were also fully involved in proping up the tyrant, shah.

Immediately after the 1978 revolution all the assassinations, coup attempts, destabilization campaigns, and violence was orchestrated and instigated by the CIA, MI6 and Mossad. The civil war that ensued during the early years of the revolution which was initiated by the MKO bombing campaigns and assassinations of top leaders of the revolution had the finger prints of the CIA all over it. I guess today we all know the MKO, who pulls their strings and etc.

The US instigated Iraqi invasion of Iran is all but another attempt to overthrow the islamic republic and kill the revolution. The results of that criminal policy is out in the open for everyone to study.

Suffice to say that the empire has not given up in its quest to bring dwon the islamic republic. The question is what is their role in the immediate aftermat of the presidential elections.

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By KDelphi, June 23, 2009 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment

brewerstroupe’s link is particularly insightful…

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By liecatcher, June 23, 2009 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

Hey Chris Hedges:

I wish you would use the term FASCISTS or acronyms such as CIA, or MIC, to identify the villains & who did what.

When we see a headline like: ” Obama’s Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11 - ABC News”, we the

people surely know that he’s not talking about us, or, as Rush Limbaugh likes to call his loyal followers “the great

unwashed”,  but rather means the MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE, or THE NEW WORLD ORDER / ONE WORLD

GOVERNMENT CABAL. Now when you say: “Iran Had a Democracy Before “We” Took It Away. Is that the same “we” in: “Where were “we” when our election was stolen from us in 2000 by Republican operatives and a Supreme Court that overturned all legal precedent to anoint George W. Bush president?

When you say:
” It was Washington that orchestrated the 1953 coup to topple Iran’s democratically elected government…”, that can’t be the same as “we”, can it? Because you know that Democracy died on December 23, 1913 with the passage of the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT, & what we have now is certainly not of the people, for the people, or by the people.

Furthermore, can you please be more specific which people make such a rediculous sight:
“Especially ludicrous is the sight of people in Washington calling for intervention on behalf of democracy in Iran when just last year they were calling for the bombing of Iran. ” ?

And finally, when you talk about reconstituted shredded classified documents:

“...classified embassy documents to expose America’s venal role in thwarting democratic movements in Iran and the region, allowed the outside world to see the dark heart of the American empire. “,  it would be nice if you were more specific about who is pulling the strings, especially now that the U.S. is on a death spiral unparalled in our history. Obama is burying we the people, MAIN STREET, deeper & deeper every day, while enriching WALL STREET every day in every way.

The last thing the millions of people who have or will lose their homes, jobs, futures or can’t feed their families need is to feel like someone is blaming the victims, unless you are blaming the victims.

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By dihey, June 23, 2009 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

“It was Washington that forced Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh, a man who cared as much for his country as he did for the rule of law and democracy, to spend the rest of his life under house arrest”.

This is rewriting history. Washington provided the undercover money with which Mr. Rosevelt bought the handlers of the overthrow and these handlers probably paid the Iranis that forced Mossadegh out.

I understand that the Iranians of today do not like to be reminded of the implication of Iranian helpers such as General Zahedi and Colonel Farzanegan. They were the Quislings of Iran.

Furthermore, it was not a purely American-organized coup because both the British and the Dutch were deeply involved.

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By Shingo, June 23, 2009 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

Marshall,

Among all your assertions, you have failed to provide one shred of proof that Iran is trying to make a nuclear weapon.

No, Europe and the U.S. do not disagree with me.  The 2007 NIE, the work of 16 intelligence agencies, concluded that there is no nuclear program.  2 months ago, Dennis Blair (Director of Intelligence) testified before the Senate that the 16 intelligence agencies still stand by the findings of the 2007 NIE.

The IAEA has repeatedly stated that there is no evidence of a nuclear program.  In fact, the IAEA has reported that it is certain there has been no diversion of nuclear material.  Iran has been subject to the most intrusive inspection regime in history.
There is also no evidence whatosoever that Iran has supplied arms against U.S. troops in Iraq.  In fact, only 1% of arms found in Iraq are Iranian made, and there is no evidence that the Iranians supplied them directly.

The US directly supports terrorism in the region also.  The MEK is listed by the State Department as a terrorist groups and the US has been supporting and financing them. The Jundullah is a jihadist group, and Kaleid Sheik Mohammed’s old gang, which the US has been supporting.  Both have been setting off bombs and meddling in Iran, so the US is in no position to be lecturing others about supporting terrorism
The IAEA HAS stated that there is no evidence of an Iranian nuclear program.  It is impossible to prove a negative, so the IAEA will never report that a state has no nuclear weapons program,
The IAEA has not has NOT ruled that Iran is in non-compliance with its request to halt enrichment.  That request came from the UNSC and is in violation of the NPT, which guarantees all signatories the inaliable right to nuclear power and enrichment for peaceful purposes.

Failure to comply with the NPT safeguards agreements is common place among nuclear states, and can refer to trivial cases of unsafe handling of fissile material. 
Iran is NOT convinced that it wants nuclear weapons.  Kameni has stats nuclear weapons are incompatible with Islam and Ahmadinejad has denounced nukes as backward. You might argue that Kameni is lying, but as the religious supreme leader, his word is law.

The west has tried to argue that Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program is hidden, but has no idea where, so an invasion would be pointless.

Both Livni and Bush have admitted that we have covert operations underway to help exploit the apparent rift that’s formed within the ruling council.  That’s called terrorism BTW.

Iran’s domestic moderates were in power for 16 years, and we still maintained bad relations with them. 
Name one intervention in history that has born fruit, and not resulted in blowback or unintended consequences. Intervention begets more intervention and we end up with people like Saddam in power.

You clearly have a poor understanding of history and all subjects you have tried to address.

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By brewerstroupe, June 23, 2009 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

“I do not know where to start in order to try to explain modern Iran for those who want to understand. Thirty years of propaganda have forged many fake pictures which should be deconstructed one by one. It is a huge task to see through these lies, and now is not the easiest time to do so. I simply want to make a few preliminary remarks.

The Islamic revolution has accomplished huge progress: corporal punishments have become very rare, the rule of law has replaced arbitrary decisions, women increasingly have access to education, religious minorities are all protected – with the regrettable exception of the Baha’is –, etc. Regarding all of these issues for which we call the current regime despicable, the Iranian people believe on the contrary that it is far more civilized than the cruel dictatorship of the Shah imposed by London and Washington.

The Islamic revolution still has a long way to go. It must also come to terms with its Eastern political system which, in order to make room for everyone, multiplies administrative structures and results in institutional paralysis.

Of course, there is a Westernized upper-class who thinks that life was better in the days of the Shah. They would send their children to study in Europe and would spend lavishly at parties in Persepolis. The Islamic Revolution abolished their privileges, and it is their grandchildren who are now demonstrating in the streets. With the help of the United States. They want to get back what was taken from their families, which has nothing to do with freedom.

In a few years, Iran has regained her lost glory. Her people pride themselves in assisting the Palestinian and Lebanese people, offering to rebuild their homes destroyed by Israel as well as weapons to defend themselves and reclaim their dignity. They helped the Afghans and the Iraqis, victims of pro Western regimes and then of Western regimes themselves. The Iranians have had to pay dearly for their solidarity, with war, terrorism and economic sanctions being the price.

As for me, I am a democrat. I attach a lot of importance to popular will. I did not understand why the victory of George W. Bush was announced before the result of the vote of American citizens in Florida was known. I did not understand either why, with the upper-class in Caracas, Pedro Carmona should be congratulated for having sent Hugo Chavez to jail after he had been elected president by the Venezuelan people. I do not understand why Mahmoud Abbas should be called « Mister President » while preventing the election of his successor by having the representatives of the Palestinian people illegally detained in Israeli jails. I do not understand why the European Constitutional Treaty application is being orchestrated under a different name after voters rejected it. And today, I do not see which fantasies justify encouraging the population of the northern neighborhoods of Tehran to trample on universal voting and impose Mousavi after the majority of the people chose Ahmadinejad.”

http://www.voltairenet.org/article160718.html

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By KDelphi, June 23, 2009 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

I think that, this started out as a US-backed “effort” at “regime change” , and, that a bunch of middle class, college kids joined in, more joined in, and, everything got “out of US control”..I think that it started out as college-educated young people who wanted more personal freedom….and I think that the West jumped on it…

Does that make any sense? I think that there are protesters who are genuine in what they want. i just dont think that it is any of US citizens’ business, especially considering the hawk-filled wing flapping that the uS and Israel have been giving Iran for awhile, and, since we already have a bunch of war s going on.

It just HAS to be ironic that the MSM never reports on “casualities” in Af-Pak, or gawd forbid, IRAQ (where we are “leaving” lol), but, it fills the airwaves 24/7 with “freeing Iran”,—before or after we “take out” the supposed nukes and “free the people”?

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By Folktruther, June 23, 2009 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

You are quite right, Sampson, a color revolution is occuring at the same time of people demonstrating who want democratic freedoms.  But does that seem very complicated to you?  So complicated that it can’t be expressed in a few sentences to busy people who want to know the gist.

I am like Bush, I don’t do nuance.  My view of theory or analysis is to simplfy the complicated so that the uneducated person, who does’t have the time, energy, background or patience, can understand it.  I am in favor of the simple truth about people and power.

Unfortuantely the world, and people, are very complicated, and this is not always possible.  How, for example, the regime should treat demonstratores, some of whom have been trained by the US and who are violent, some of whom are sincere.  It is taken for granted that the Iran regime has been brutal.  Really? It hasn’t arrested either Moussavi or Rafsanjani, although Western reports have said they have.

They also say 10 people have been killed.  All deaths are deplorable, if this is true.  However the US is killing ten people an hour in its many wars; do you see anything about this in the media?  the only way we know that there was massive brutality on the part of the regime is that the US media says so.  Why would the regime bring in unarmed teenagers to confront demonstraters if they wished to exhibit brutality?  Whether or not they did, do you think the US media would provide a Fair and Balanced portrayal.

I don’t.

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By tahitifp, June 23, 2009 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

Kay,

I glanced at an article yesterday that said that the stoning of women will no longer be allowed.  I’m not sure which camp it came from, and I’ll look around for the article today if I have time. It sounded more like a political ploy to me than anything of substance, sort of like the insu companies saying they’d cut the prices of drugs for the elderly and which was touted as a big victory for Obama…that kind of ploy.

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By Samson, June 23, 2009 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

Beware of anyone who appears to provide simple, one-line answers to complicated situations.

Pretty much by definition, the national politics of a population of 60,000,000 people is going to be a complex situation with multiple forces.  Add in outside influences that want to determine who controls a country, and corporate media outlets with their own agenda, and the complexity of the situation grows geometrically.

Much of the debate ‘on the web’ appears to pose the question as an either-or between legitimate protests by people who want freedom and democracy, or a outside controlled ‘color’ revolution being played out again.  The problem with such simple explanations is that it seems rather likely that we are seeing both at the same time.

Nothing precludes the fact that we could well be seeing the same middle-class, modernists forces that have been in Iran since the 1950’s again expressing their desires, while at the same time we could be seeing outside forces running the same old ‘color’ revolution playbook again. In fact, since the outside forces would always try to use existing local opposition movements in any country where they run the ‘color’ revolution plan, it seems almost certain that we would see the two together at the same time.

This means, you can’t dismiss legitimate protests just because the ‘color’ revolution plan seems to be running.  And it means you can’t dismiss the existence of the ‘color’ revolution just because the people in the street seem sincere and authentic.

Read lots of authors.  Don’t try to take one writer as gospel. But also, don’t listen much to the people who attack and try to dismiss a writer. Remember that sometimes you can judge a journalist by the enemies they’ve made.  And be wary of anyone who tries to sum up a complex situation in one or two phrases to then draw you to a conclusion.

A population that learns to be politically active and is able to go into the streets is an important development.  Gawd knows we could sure use that in the US.  A few years from now, that might be what people look back and remember about this, no matter who ‘wins’ this round.

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By Samson, June 23, 2009 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

“We are the biggest problem in the Middle East.”

To me, the most interesting thing about this comment thread is the continued attempts to divert the conversation away from this very important point.

Note:  You also know when a writer is doing a good job when there are people lined up and waiting to criticize his regular postings.  Its always fascinating to read the very first postings and notice how some writers seem to have professional critiques who jump online quickly to always smear them.

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By dukesman2000, June 23, 2009 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

I stood and applauded your article

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By Robert, June 23, 2009 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

June 23, 2009

Time to Worry

Dennis Ross Moves to the White House

By GARY LEUPP

“Now again we have the leadership of both political parties with much of the journalistic establishment in tow promoting what will likely be exposed in the near term as another slough of lies, this time about Iran. At the center of them is this: Iran has a nuclear weapons program threatening Israel with nuclear holocaust.

That’s a staggering allegation, and designed to be so. It’s the son of the earlier allegation born of the White House Iraq Group propaganda team: Let’s not let the “smoking gun” be a mushroom cloud over New York City. Sheer fear-mongering.

Iraq didn’t threaten New York. The U.S. threatened, invaded and occupied Iraq, slaughtering at least tens of thousands in the process.  And Iran does not threaten anyone with a nuclear weapon. It should be repeated again and again: the National Intelligence Estimate concerning the question of Iran’s nuclear program, representing the consensus of the 16 different U.S. intelligence agencies in 2007 concluded in “high confidence” that Iran does not even have an active nuclear weapons program. (The report appeared after nearly a year’s delay due to apparent obstruction by Dick Cheney’s office, the neocon headquarters).

Unfortunately, regime change in Iran is the single most urgent, outstanding item on the neocon agenda left unfulfilled after eight years of Bush-era empowerment. Its proponents refuse to allow a mere change of administrations to deflect them from their goal. Hence somehow a neocon has insinuated himself into the center of Iran policy, first as a Hillary Clinton advisor and “diplomat,” and now as an advisor to the president working for the National Security Agency.
Dennis Ross is an NIE-denier. With no real expertise on Iran or Persian linguistic competence, and no understanding of nuclear science—-but lots of experience in U.S.-Israeli relations and settler advocacy garnering him the nickname “Israel’s lawyer”—-Ross was principal author of an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal eight months after the NIE appeared.

Sensationalistically entitled “Everybody Needs to Worry about Iran,” it alluded blithely, offering no evidence, to the Iranian regime’s drive to become “a nuclear state” and announced a drive to “mobilize the power of a united American public in opposition.” Co-signators included Richard Holbrooke, currently Obama’s special envoy to “Af-Pak;” former CIA director and Project for a New American Century operative James R. Woolsey and Mark D. Wallace, a former UN ambassador who heads up with Woolsey and others something called “United Against a Nuclear Iran.” (All were major proponents of the Iraq War.)

This group, in other words, wants to mobilize and unite U.S. public opinion against the consensus of the intelligence community about the nature of empirical reality, substituting for it the need to worry about Iran.

I can’t help but recall the insightful words of Hermann Goering, interviewed during the Nuremberg trials.  “The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” It worked very well after 9-11, when the masses could really be terrified and manipulated by the color-coded alerts and grim warnings about mushroom clouds over New York. Bush went to war with Iraq with solid domestic support generated by fear.

The terror mongering strategy may work less well now, after so many lies have been exposed. And the Iran attack advocates are emphasizing Iran’s threat not to the U.S. (that is, you can’t realistically tell Americans the U.S. itself is in danger of Iranian attack) but to (nuclear) Israel.”

http://www.counterpunch.com/leupp06232009.html

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By Ed Harges, June 23, 2009 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

ITW writes:

“Of course, this form of logic and validation methodology is beyond you.  You don’t have a proper editing mechanism and FT only has a rudimentary one.

Your thinking doesn’t change with new facts. It doesn’t evolve with new facts. “

ITW, you do a lot of this trick, not only to me but to others: “You’re really stupid, not like those other, smarter guys I disagree with.” But then I read what you say to them, and it’s just as insulting. It’s like some parenting trick of yours - “I wish you were better behaved, like your sister.” You don’t respect FT any more than you respect me, so cut the crap.

And my position is plenty nuanced. I believe that the protests in Iran are genuine and in good faith, even if these people have been manipulated by foreign meddlers. Protesters have a right to express their political opinions freely EVEN IF THEY ARE WRONG AND EVEN IF THEY ARE BEING MANIPULATED BY FOREIGN PROPAGANDA.

The “stolen election” is a lie, but many people in Iran seem genuinely to believe the lie, and they ought not to be violently attacked by their government for expressing their opinions. And of course, the protesters are also very brave to insist on expressing themselves in the face of this violence, even if they are mistaken about the “stolen” election.

I also depise theocratic governments in general, including the semi-theocratic (and ever more theocratic) government of Israel. I further despise ethnic supremacist governments - and Israel’s government is much more ethnocentric than Iran’s.

I am perfectly consistent. You are warped by your intransigent Jewish exceptionalism.

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I stood and applauded your article.

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By thebeerdoctor, June 23, 2009 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

re: Inherit The Wind

I’ll let the verbal battle between you and the gang on TD to rage on. But it is true that there is real trouble amongst the electorate in Iran.
I find it remarkable that as soon as some uncomfortable fact gets in the way, a person reporting it is deemed part of some conspiracy. If Robert Fisk mentions the numerous state sponsored executions in Iran in 1988, which did happen, then suddenly the 60 year plus reporter, deemed to be anti-west according to the NY Times, is suddenly working for British intelligence and all things that smack of western imperialism. If Chris Hedges even brings up the deplorable social abuse imposed by the Shia Muslim clerics, then the former NY Times correspondent must have connections with the CIA.
The people who want to squeeze everything through the U.S. imperial filter tend to ignore such fundamental concerns as womens’ rights and religious bigotry imposed by Iran’s theocratic system.

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By Folktruther, June 23, 2009 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

There are two different areas of contention in Iran: cultural-political issues, on which the “Reformists” are progressive, and economic issues, on which they are reactionary neoliberals.  In the conflict between the uneducated population, which supports Ahmadinejad, and the Eltist “Reformists”, the former are more culturally conservative.

The US ruling class, with the American Zionists in the forefront, who are themselves neoliberals and socially progressive, is attempting or threating civil war in lieu of a color revolution rejected by the Irani working and peasant class.  American rank and file progressives, because they instinctive side with insurgants, are confused by the issues.  The leaders of these “Reformists” have a reactionary aim of privatizing communal property as in Russia and Iraq, and gaining power by bloody massacre.  Since the US mainstream truth blacks out class struggle from the learned and mass media, American progressives are not familiar with it.

This possible civil war is based on the Big Lie of a “Stolen Election” that clearly appears to be a landslide.  The whole episode has all the earmarks of a bungled color revolution.  Once “Reformists” get in power, they will be under the thumb of corrupt billionairs like Rafsantani, who has allied with the US rulers in the past, and Irani oil will be controlled by the US, as is happening in Iraq.

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Ed Harges, June 23 at 9:34 am #

Re: By Inherit The Wind, June 23 at 7:07 am:

Um, yeah, I understand what Hedges is saying. I don’t regard him as the gospel truth and never have, and you sure as hell don’t either. Does it shock you that I don’t have a bumper sticker on my car that says “Chris Hedges said, I believe, and that settles it!”?
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Wasn’t that you I saw out early this morning scraping off a bumper-sticker?  I thought “Chris…” had something to do with Christians, but now I see it was “Chris Hedges”.

The difference between Hedges and you is that as biased and purposeful as he is, he bows to facts.  You, OTOH, dismiss them.  Hedges, Fisk, Mr. Fish and Pfaff all seem to be in agreement on this and their assessment is similar to mine, despite them relying on different sources.

Of course, this form of logic and validation methodology is beyond you.  You don’t have a proper editing mechanism and FT only has a rudimentary one.

Your thinking doesn’t change with new facts. It doesn’t evolve with new facts. It simply rejects new facts that don’t fit your opinions.  In this, you are no different than the “Intelligent Design” crowd, just a different context.

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By Kay Johnson, June 23, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

As a woman, the following article struck me as very important:

“No Matter Who Is President of Iran, They Would Stone Me”

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/19-11

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By Kay Johnson, June 23, 2009 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

As a woman, the following article struck me as very important:

“No Matter Who Is President of Iran, They Would Stone Me”

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/10-11

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By Researching, June 23, 2009 at 8:46 am Link to this comment
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My understanding is that Mossadegh dissolved the parliament after he got wind of the foreign forces bribing his parliament to moving against him ...  and that he was attempting to preserve independence from foreign intervention.  But his actions (dictatorial means to a democratic end) backfired and fed into the tactics of those who wanted to oust him. 

I have also come across a document outlining U.S. CIA plans to depose of Mossadegh.  http://web.payk.net/politics/cia-docs/published/one-main/main.html

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By Ed Harges, June 23, 2009 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

tahitifp writes:

“I’m puzzled by the administration’s comment about how the prez contenders were very much alike.”

Actually, Tahiti, it’s true that the candidates are not so different, especially with respect to foreign policy, which is the only policy area that really is any business of the US.

For example, take the single most contentious foreign policy issue: uranium enrichment. Both candidates pledged in their campaigns to continue uranium enrichment — something that Israel considers impermissible and grounds for bombing Iran — even though the NPT guarantees Iran the right to conduct enrichment. Israel’s position is that Iran cannot be allowed to continue enriching uranium even for peaceful purposes, even under continuing IAEA inspections.

And of course, both candidates were pre-selected by the Mullahs and are pledged to contiue the Islamic regime. In fact, this “nice guy” Mousavi, is pretty unsavory. According to UC Professor As’ad AbuKhalil, Mouisavi was “a lackey of Ayatullah Khomeini who led the purges against leftists, Baha’is, and Jews in Iranian universities in the 1980s.”:

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2009/06/gay-and-lesbian-rights-in-arabic.html

Mostly, the neocons are pretending to love Mousavi because it looks like Ahmadinejad will remain in power, and the neocons like to pretend that whoever is in power in Iran is “the problem” — the reason we have to bomb them.

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By Ed Harges, June 23, 2009 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

Re: By Inherit The Wind, June 23 at 7:07 am:

Um, yeah, I understand what Hedges is saying. I don’t regard him as the gospel truth and never have, and you sure as hell don’t either. Does it shock you that I don’t have a bumper sticker on my car that says “Chris Hedges said, I believe, and that settles it!”?

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By Folktruther, June 23, 2009 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

No,Prole, I know it is discouraging but the American public is not a lost cause.  It is the only hope for America.  Americans have been prevented from thinking in class terms so class struggle is the Big Secret in American counsciousness. And that, in a perverted way, is what is now going on in Iran, Ahmadinejad being supported by the workers and peasants and the neoliberals by Reformists.  and some of the Reformists rank and file are genuinely fighting for greater democracy.

the American people must understand American Big Lies and American Big Secrets.  This is an historical phenomena since the US truth system has installed such a large quantity of power delusions.  But Big Lies like this one, the Irani Stolen Election, touted especially by American Zionists, is a good learning point for Americans, which hopefully will not be covered in blood.

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By bogi666, June 23, 2009 at 4:55 am Link to this comment

The Pentagon plans 50 years in advance to create enemies to ensure job security for the MICR, Military-Industrial-Congress-Religionist COMPLEX. It is done by creating imaginary fears and the forging of Americans into NARCISSISTIC-CONSUMERIST-GLUTTONS. Just as Hermann Goering, the NAZI, describes how easy it is to do, to manipulate people with imaginary and/or created fears takes away the mystery of how it’s done it’s just a matter of fact that the same techniques can be universally applied no matter the type of government. Goering was the smartest of the NAZI so it’s no surprise that he gives the blue print in one paragraph. These fears are then trumpeted by the corrupt churches, businesses[MSM] and of course the government all trumpeting fears of the imagination as actually existing. The Jasons of the world are the examples of what Goering meant, how easy it is to manipulate the fools into using fears instead of reason.

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By thebeerdoctor, June 23, 2009 at 4:08 am Link to this comment

Chris Hedges presents the many facts concerning the U.S.-Iran relationship over the last 56 years, facts that the vast majority of Americans are nearly totally unaware of. But then why would they? “The smothering shroud of false comfort and self-righteous self promotion,” as Tao Walker aptly put it, provides a continuous excuse for never acknowledging the utter inhumanity of United States foreign policies. But I do not agree with Mr. Hedges call for solidarity with the Iranian people. Benevolent intervention is still intervention. This is why conservative and liberal are such useless terms in the United States, both camps idiotically cling to the idea of righteous wars, in the name of freedom, democracy… you know the drill. Meanwhile, the rest of the world attempts to get by beneath the fearful giant shadow, where you never know when an unmanned drone just might be headed your way.
Peace. That is not just a word you know.
Thank you. That for myself, is the only prayer.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 23, 2009 at 4:07 am Link to this comment

EH,
While you are hurling your idiotic insults at me, you look really stupid since ALL I did was quote Chris Hedges from this VERY article that is the basis for this thread.  That’s it, genius.

What is it with you?  ALL you have to do as actually READ what Chris Hedges wrote here and direct your criticism at HIM. 

Tell HEDGES about psy-ops and the black-ops and all the other Robert Ludlum conspiracies you “know” about.  BTW. Ludlum and Clancy write better conspiracy novels than you do.

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By SAF814, June 23, 2009 at 1:51 am Link to this comment
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A very good novel on the subject has just been released. It’s called THE TEHRAN CONVICTION by Tom Gabbay.

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By tahitifp, June 23, 2009 at 1:04 am Link to this comment

It’s very easy and perhaps correct to a great extent to talk about the quiescence and even cowardice of the American public, but it must be noted that our educational system is in tatters, revisionist history is written by the *victors,* and our collective ability to empathize has been almost bred out of us.  The CM not only chooses our candidates in a “horse-race” but it sanitizes, omits and ignores the most pressing issues of our times.  Even Keith and Rachel are not discussing the I/P ongoing horror show.  And tomorrow we may be back to Brittany Spears, or however she’s spelled.

The very troubling aspect for me is that the public is aware of the killing going on.  A normal human being doesn’t have to see or take part - just the knowledge of what our gov’t is doing in our name should be enuf to cause widespread turmoil and threats of throwing critters out of office.  It may come to that over healthcare; it seems unlikely over foreign wars. 

There’s a book called, “Lies My Teacher Told Me.”  It charts our nation’s sense of entitlement and aggressive war-mongering starting with the Native American genocide. (Malloy started listing our never-ending wars one night, till he ran out of breath and energy). grin

I’m puzzled by the administration’s comment about how the prez contenders were very much alike. If that were true, why the protests?  I would think the students would know who they voted for and why.  Is Mousavi an Iranian Obama promising change and then not intending to deliver?

Interesting confluence of events….Cairo speech, Iran election, and statement today that settlement building will continue.

Ås for us getting into the street, during Nam, we old folks were active and vocal and there was a draft and we didn’t want to go to war.  Now our gov’t is using more and more mercenaries.. a draft would bring the students out very fast and likely end the wars.  Rock meet hard place. 

Good job, Chris.

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By Shingo, June 23, 2009 at 12:23 am Link to this comment

Its part of life and no matter what your handlers say, you can not blame America for this you.

Please seek psychological help!
By Jason!!, June 22 at 8:18

People like Jason remain blissfully and perhaps, willfully ignorant about the fact that our meddling in Iranian affairs didn’t end in 1953 or even 1979.

Apart from installing the Shah, who resided over a brutal dictatorship that dissapeared 10,000 Iranians through his Savak secret police there is:

1. Our support for Saddam in a war that he started, which claimed 1 million lives.
2. The shooting down of an Iranian air liner in Iranian air space, killing all 290 on board in 1988
3. The snub we gave them after they helped us go after al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
4. Our reference to them as the axis of evil after they offered a peace proposal in 2003.
5. Our insistence that they have no legitimate need for nuclear power even though Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz all though it was a great idea when then Shah was in charge.
6. Our support for terrorist groups like the MEK (listed by the State Department as a terrorist group), and Jihadists like Jundullah (Kaleid Sheik Mohammed’s old gang) as they set off bombs in Tehran. 

Just think about that - we are supposed to be in a war on terror with Al Qaeda, and yet we are supporting Al Qaeda offshoots against a country that helped us go after Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

How schizophrenic is our foreign policy?  The ones who need psychological help are those that set it, not Hedges.

Oh and Jason needs to read more and spend less time on his Playstation.

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In 1492, Chemor, chief Rabbi of Spain, wrote to the Grand Sanhedrin, which had its seat in Constantinople, for advice, when a Spanish law threatened expulsion.2 This was the reply:

” Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great pain to hear it as yourselves.

The advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis is the following:

1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.

2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.

3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christians’ lives.

4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches. [Emphasis mine]

5. As for the many other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.

6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.

(Signed) PRINCE OF THE JEWS OF CONSTANTINOPLE.”

2. The reply is found in the sixteenth century Spanish book, La Silva Curiosa, by Julio-Iniguez de Medrano (Paris, Orry, 1608), on pages 156 and 157, with the following explanation: “This letter following was found in the archives of Toledo by the Hermit of Salamanca, (while) searching the ancient records of the kingdoms of Spain; and, as it is expressive and remarkable, I wish to write it here.” — vide, photostat facing page 80.

~ The above was quoted from Waters Flowing Eastward by Paquita de Shishmareff, pp. 73-74

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By prole, June 22, 2009 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment

“Let us, for once, be on the side of those who share our democratic ideals.” This must surely rate a special So. California jornalism prize for non-sequitur of the year, after the litany of familiar “war crimes” and “state-sponsored terrorism we unleash” rehashed in the rest of the article. “The fight of the Iranian people is” their fight, they can expect no help ftom “us”, as our “democratic ideals” are neither. “We have no right to use force… to turn the Middle East into a private gas station for our large oil companies” - but as long as it keeps prices down at local gas stations across the country to feed gas-guzzling SUV’s, the American public will cheerfully avert their gaze and go along with it. The government can always lie to the American people because they want to be lied to, to “naively believe” whatever they’re told, and be free of responsibility for any of it. “We have used the iron fist of the American military to…insure that the region is submissive and cowed”, just like the American public themselves, who are even more so. Moooo! “The greatest favor we can do for democracy activists in Iran, as well as in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Gulf and the dictatorships that dot North Africa, is withdraw our troops from the region”...but in reality, there’s a snowball’s chance in North Africa of that happening. “Where were we when our election was stolen from us in 2000…Did we fight back with the same courage and tenacity as the citizens of Iran?” So how can anyone possibly believe the supine American public will lift a finger to help anyone else, if they won’t even try and help themselves. Of course, the 2000 election, like all elections was “stolen” before it even began, since the pathetic Al Gore was hardly any kind of radical democrat (small d) himself. So obviously, “Iranians do not need or want us to teach them about liberty and representative government”, since we can hardly be expected to teach something that is alien to our own experience and ideals. “Especially ludicrous is the sight of people [here] calling for intervention on behalf of democracy” by having us “for once, be on the side of those who share our democratic ideals”. The American public is a lost cause, they’re much too “submissuve and cowed” to ever stand “not with those in the Pentagon who make endless wars,but with the unarmed demonstrators.”  As long as they can watch the Lakers and go shopping at the mall, they will be perfectly willing to continue with “our spectacular moral nihilism.” As a statement of personal faith, this article is quite touching, but as a call to action, it has the quasi-mystical tone of an exorcist trying to “banish these demons.” “The resistance you see in Iran will not end until Iranians, and all those burdened with repression in the Middle East, free themselves from the tyranny that comes from” the two Jewish states. In the resistance movements they will seek to free themselves from the “deformed militarists” of the zionist axis. “It was Mohammed Khatami, the president of Iran from 1997 to 2005—perhaps the only honorable Middle East leader of our time” who noted, in a speech to the OIC in Doha, in Nov.‘00, shortly after the liberation of southern Lebanon: “For the first time, the resilient Lebanese people could taste the fruits of more than two decades of their resistance and struggle against the Zionist occupiers and transgressors. This attainment, a turning point in the fate of the occupied territories, was a distinct demonstration of pride, unity, understanding, and coordination between the government, people and the Islamic Resistance that put an end to the illusion of invincibility of the occupying and transgressing force”. It also put an end to any illusion that the American public could be counted on to do anything for them.

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By Ed Harges, June 22, 2009 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment

ITW, you simply do not understand that what is happening in Iran is a complex combination of (a) legitimate, admirable resistance to a bad regime and (b) psy-op manipulations and outright terrorism financed and organized by US-raeli agents who do not have the best interests of the Iranian people at heart. Furthermore, if you had any real sense of justice, you would be nauseated at the hypocritical way in which the Zionist US imperial media lackeys - which systematically ignore government brutality against legitimate protest in the US and Israel - fawn all over these Iranian protesters.

I invite you to peruse a great website called “The Angry Arab”. The guy’s an American college prof, Lebanese by birth, who is disgusted with the Middle East from a consistently liberal point of view that spares neither Israel nor the Mullahs nor the Saudis.

He has a great eye for the telling glint of phoniness in a news item.

Some examples:

(1) Washington Post on one suicide bombing

““In an act fraught with symbolic significance, a suicide bomber blew himself up at the mausoleum of the father of Iran’s Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, while unrest continued across Tehran in defiance of a ban on demonstrations.”” I wonder if Palestinian bombings were ever described as “fraught with symbolic significance.”...

(2) Threat?

This sentence appears twice in this article: “Israel sees Iran’s nuclear development as a threat, due in part to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s calls for Israel to be destroyed.” Notice that “due in part” appears also twice. What does that mean? That if Ahmadinajad did not resort to his bellicose rhetoric, Israel would be fine with a nuclear Iran? Does that mean that witout threats, Israel would not oppose nuclear Syria or Lebanon? Is there a propaganda by a state more stupid and more deceptive than that of Israel? I even remember when Israeli propaganda was much less dumb than it is now. Don’t get me wrong: I watch with relish and glee the growing signs of the demise of that usurping entity.

(3) There are good protesters and bad protesters

“While Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was making a major foreign policy speech at Bar-Ilan University Sunday, Israeli police outside the university attacked international protesters of Israel’s invasion of Gaza, illegal settlements and the apartheid wall. Heavy-handed police treatment of the unarmed, peaceful members of the CODEPINK delegation there began immediately after they unfurled several pink banners that read “Free Gaza” and “End the Occupation.” CODEPINK co-founder Medea Benjamin and New York activist Zool Zulkowitz were physically dragged across the street from their original protest site next to the entrance gate to Bar Ilan University where audience members and press entered the university complex to attend the speech.”

(4) Gay and lesbian rights in Arabic

I am very proud to be writing in a paper (Al-Akhbar) that is the only Arabic newspaper in the world that advocates for gay and lesbian rights. But the Western media are more impressed with [Mousavi,] a lackey of Ayatullah Khomeini who led the purges against leftists, Baha’is, and Jews in Iranian universities in the 1980s.

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

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By Folktruther, June 22, 2009 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

TAO, you said something I strongly agree with.  We are ideologically insane.  Our consciousness has been sysematically deranged by power structures throughout history to legitimate the power of an irrational society.  I also think the Western worldview that you rail against is pathologically irrational.  it has been use to legitimate pathological and delusive capitalist Democracy and the predatory imperialism of the White Man.

But it is uneducated to say so in a simple way.  the simple truth about people and power subverts the inherited misconceptions that the Educated classes impose on their populations to legitimate their power.  Both the ruling class who own or otherwise control the learned and mass media and other truth organs, and the professional class that staffs them, formulate the mainstream truth tradition from the perspective of power rather than from the perspective of the population.

This has made us, politically and culturally, as crazy as loons.  Potty.  We must undergo an ideological revolution that de-Educates and De-Informs of what we have been indoctrianted with from childhood.  Such a conceptual and ideological revolution will make us much healthier emotionally.  Less potty.  And such a revolution will include some of the values that has been rejected as primitive because it is held by the uneducated population.

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