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Posted on Jun 18, 2009

By David Sirota

Most of the great advances we remember involve reimagination and dreams, not merely tweaks and tinkers. The Wright Brothers’ plane wasn’t a newfangled horse and buggy, Einstein’s theories weren’t a simple update of old physics, and Edison’s creations didn’t aspire to make a brighter-burning wax candle. It’s been the same thing in politics. The Founding Fathers’ Constitution didn’t replicate monarchy, Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal wasn’t just tinkering with Hooverism, and Ronald Reagan’s revolution didn’t merely dismantle the welfare state.

All of these inventors envisaged machines, theories or societies that never before existed. And that’s why for all the positive, even admirable steps Obama’s America seems poised to take, the aspirations still seem too small, too unimaginative, too confined by old parameters and old conceptions of how things must work.

Consider the Wall Street bailouts. By simply giving banks trillions of dollars with no strings attached, our government theorizes that the problem is not the financial system, but a momentary cash drought that can be solved by temporary recapitalization. These bailouts do not aspire to change the whole industry into one dominated by many small institutions rather than a few big ones. They also don’t reach for “a tightly regulated banking system, which made finance a staid, even boring business,” as Paul Krugman said we once had—they envision the same get-rich-quick casino that generated huge profits and huge losses.

On health care, even as the Obama administration pushes to create a public health care option for consumers to buy into, most of the proposals for universal health care being debated in Washington still imagine a health care system integrally involving private insurance companies. In fact, the one proposal that sees a new health care system without those companies—a single-payer system—has been shoved to the side by both parties as too radical.

Same thing, again, for efforts to address global warming. Bills compelling companies to cap their carbon pollution and then trade it for credits are positive steps. However, they still embrace an energy system that relies on fossil fuels—and they don’t strive for a day when we power our economy primarily with clean renewable energy.

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I could go on, but you get the point. We are suffering from a lack of imagination—a failure of “the vision thing,” as George H. W. Bush once called it.

Part of that is a product of a money-dominated political system whose most powerful forces don’t want anything reimagined because they have a vested interest in the no-imagination status quo.

Another part of that shortsightedness, however, stems from our president’s natural disposition. When I interviewed him in 2006, he acknowledged that the difference between reimagining institutions and aiming only to tinker with them is always the question that determines a political era. “Are you a revolutionary or are you a reformist?” as he put it before firmly stating which one he is.

“I think within the institutional structures we have, we can significantly improve the life chances of ordinary Americans,” he said.

There’s certainly merit to that line of thinking. We can, in fact, improve things for a lot of people by simply making many existing institutions work better. Patch a few banks, revamp the private insurance system and fiddle with our existing energy policies and we can prevent hundreds of financial industry bankruptcies, thousands of unnecessary deaths, and millions of tons of carbon emissions. Those would be no small achievements.

However, if that’s all we aim for, then we will have passed up this historic opportunity to structurally transform the country for the long haul. In short, we will have missed the chance not just to tweak, but to dream again.

David Sirota is the best-selling author of the books “Hostile Takeover” (2006) and “The Uprising” (2008). Find his blog at OpenLeft.com or e-mail him at ds@davidsirota.com.

© 2009 Creators Syndicate Inc.


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By christian96, June 26, 2009 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

Outraged—-My Faith is not mine but is the Christianity taught by the Bible, which includes
love, forgiveness, kindness, gentleness, sharing,
etc.  I watch and listen to many Christian ministers
on TV and radio.  There are quite a few who teach
doctrines contray to what is taught in the Bible.
These teachers are what Jesus referred to as False
teachers.  When his disciples came to Jesus and ask
what would be the signs immediately preceeding his
return, the first answer given by Jesus was beware
of “false teachers” who come posing as Christian
ministers.  2nd Corinthians 11:14 also tells us that
not only does Satan transform himself into an “angel
of light” and his angels transform themselves into
“minister of righteousness.”  I don’t know if the
angels of Satan actually enter the false teachers
on TV and radio or just influence their thoughts.
The false teachers may not be consciuosly aware they
are teaching false doctrine but they should be.  The
should be so familiar with the Bible that they realize when their thoughts are contrary to the teachings in the Bible.  Since Jesus and his disciples keep the ten commandments in the book of
Exodus and the dietary laws outlined in the book of
Leviticus, I also follow them.  We are told in the
Bible to be like Jesus.  Since a pig is an unclean
meat(scavenger), I don’t eat ham, sausage, or
pepparoni on my pizza.  I also go to Church on Friday
evening with Christian Jews.  The Jews were taught
by God to keep the Sabbath from Friday evening until
Saturday evening.  It was changed to Sunday by
the Catholic Church around 340 a.d. without any
scriptural authority for doing so.  When Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic Church, he and
other Protestant Churches since then have also kept
Sunday as the Sabbath.  I don’t know why.  You would
think the Prostestant leaders throughout the ages
would have seen the error and corrected it.  There
are a few Protestant Churches such as The Seventh
Day Adventist who keep Saturday as the Sabbath.  That
basically is the foundation for my faith, which is
somewhat different from most Christians.  I try to
follow the teachings of the Bible as much as I can
opposed to following the teachings of mankind.  The
Bible refers to the latter as “the doctrines of man”
as opposed to the doctrines of God.

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By Anarcissie, June 26, 2009 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

christian96:
Anarcissie——I don’t have to see someone sin.  The
Bible reads, “All have sinned and come short of the
glory of God.” ...

As you may recall (or look at the previous discussion) you said, “If I see someone sin,” etc.  That is, according to your words, you observe others and pass judgement on them, and I was going by your words.  But if we, including you, are all miserable sinners, then I would think you would be too busy working on your own sins to bother with other people’s.  In any case, it’s best to lead by example.

However, don’t let me inhibit you from denouncing those Christians who support war crimes.  I’ve read the Gospels with close attention, and I think there’s a pretty serious problem there.

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By Outraged, June 26, 2009 at 12:21 am Link to this comment

Re: christian96

Understand also that your premise I “Could you please give me examples of “hateful messages” in Christianity? is INCORRECT regarding my original premise…. which WAS (check out the chronology of the blog),

This portion, is a good thing.  But the bible teaches many bad tenets, and you describe only the good.  What about the hateful messages, and there are many, why do you not count these?”

Why do YOU insist upon inaccuracies and inuendo?  A precarious stance, to be sure.  Some might call you an outright LIAR, however in the interests of truth, I will engage your assertions.

You claim to UNDERSTAND and KNOW the tenets of the bible, why do you NEED me to point out the hateful messages, of which you CLAIM you are unaware.  I am not claiming to “KNOW”, you are…... therefore, tell us the OTHER SIDE of the supposed righteousness of the bible.

In other words, am I not…..IN YOUR FAITH…. EVIL (as an atheist)?  How THEN, do you wish me to enlighten you…. are you fearful that, easily and quite factually you will be PROVEN false?

Do you need an enemy, christian96?  Without an ENEMY, what is your faith?

“Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men.” – Voltaire

Historically, Voltaire is correct….. what excuse, fantasy or fiction will you indulge to refute it….?  You cannot undo what has been done, however to continue to endorse its futile premise, is simply to indulge delusion.

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By Outraged, June 25, 2009 at 11:39 pm Link to this comment

Re: christian96

Regarding your comment: : Could you please give me examples of “hateful messages” in Christianity?”

Christianity, in and of itself is a specious assertion/organization.  Therefore…. I hesitate, to enamor you with…, quite frankly…. any supposed premise, only because, some say one thing….. but others another.  If you would be so kind as to enlighten me regarding your specific “faith”, I imagine our conversation would be much more fruitful and enlightening, not for you nor I only…..but for others as well.

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By christian96, June 25, 2009 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

Outraged—-Could you please give me examples of
“hateful messages” in Christianity?

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By Outraged, June 25, 2009 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

Re: christian96

In response to your comment (only because I forgot to address it in my prior post…lol):

“Where are you
going after you die?”

Well, I told my kids to have my body burned and then throw the ashes in ANY wild place, since this is werein I have always found my strength, and I thought it fitting.  But then I read that, half the damn time…. you don’t actually get the TRUE ashes of your deceased from cremation.

So then I told my older son (because he happened to be the body in the room at the time).  Do whatever strikes YOU, as you would KNOW me.

As far as “where I will go”, christian96…. quite simply I will go, nowhere….. I will be dead, the dead do not “go somewhere”.  It will be, as it was BEFORE I came, I will simply cease to exist.

If I “live on”.... metaphorically, it will be in the hearts and minds of those who understood me while I was here.  No, I do not fear death.  I do have some hesitation about the pure act of dying….kinda like… yeah, make it painless (lol).

But no, I do not fear death.  So many moons ago, I simply did not exist (before I was born), and some moons from now, I will simply not exist again (after I die).

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By Outraged, June 25, 2009 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

Re: christian96

Your comment: “Jesus teaches
us to sacrifice our lives while on earth by loving
and serving other people.”

And I think it a wonderful story, I’m not being facetious.  But so too are other stories, and they teach lessons and have morals also.  This portion, is a good thing.  But the bible teaches many bad tenets, and you describe only the good.  What about the hateful messages, and there are many, why do you not count these?

Also christian96, there is a big difference between endorsing Jesus, endorsing the bible or endorsing what YOUR specific religion teaches.  Are you able to differeniate between the three?  Again, “Do not put all of your eggs in one basket.”

“Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence.” – Anonymous

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By christian96, June 25, 2009 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

Outraged—-My sins have been forgiven because I
accept the shed blood of Jesus Christ as my Saviour
and the only begotten son of God.  Jesus demonstrated
to me that he was able to overcome the devil through
his resurrection.  He conquered death.  After his
resurrection he was seen by hundreds of people in
Jerusalem.  He then asscended into Heaven to sit
by his father, God(Yahweh).  Not only did he demonstrate to me not to fear death, he also gave me
the means to understand the devil and ability to
overcome the devil.  There are times when I and other
Christians backslide and sin but when we do we can
pray, ask forgiveness for our sins and proceed to do
the will of God while on this earth.  Jesus teaches
us to sacrifice our lives while on earth by loving
and serving other people.  In fact, by loving and
serving others, especially children and widows, we
earn rewards in Heaven.  That is where the teachings
of radical Islamic terrorists are completely false.
They teach to kill others is the way to receive
rewards in Heaven(72 Virgins).  When they kill
someone, the terrorists take away that persons ability to gain rewards in Heaven because they no
longer are living on earth.  When the terrorists
die, God and the people they murdered will be
waiting for them in Heaven.  Who forgives your sins?
Who forgives your children’s sins?  Where are you
going after you die?

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By eileen fleming, June 25, 2009 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

There are only two sins- being selfish and being boring.

Some one wise once said: “The greatest menace to freedom is an inert people.”

This republic was founded by rebels, agitators, dissidents.

So was Christianity.

Meet a persecuted one under house arrest in occupied east Jerusalem for being a TRUTH teller:

Mordechai Vanunu, who most every day from 3-5 PM can be found having coffee in the garden restaurant at the American Colony, in occupied east Jerusalem.

On June 14, 2009 Vanunu said:

“They renewed the restrictions to not speak to foreigners until November.

“I meet foreigners every day. I am talking with people every day.

“But I am not writing or announcing the appeal until after it happens.

“It was scheduled for January, then May 6th and June 18th. Now I am waiting for a new court date.

“The Central Commander of the General Army testified in court that it is OK if I speak in public as long as I do not talk about nuclear weapons.

“I think the court will realize even if they send me back for three months-what will they do after that?

“It is all about freedom of speech.”

The rest and more:

http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=19&Itemid=31

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By Outraged, June 25, 2009 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

Re: christian96

Your comment: “The Bible tells me that if I
see you sin and do not warn you then your sins are
upon my head.”

You say this.  But then you say this…..

”“All have sinned and come short of the
glory of God.”  That includes me, you, Mother Teresa,
etc.”

If you already have “sins” upon you head according to you, so what good will it do you, to say anything at all?  And if we are all supposed “sinners”, we are ALL even stevens….. so what have you gained or lost?  Nothing.

As far as children are concerned, don’t worry…. I certainly feel just as sorry for any children who might listen to you.  It might be easy for you to fill their immature minds and hearts with your fiction now, but later they see it for the falsity it is.  You have not had one convincing argument in your favor regarding the matter with us adults.  You simply do not want to admit that religion is a BELIEF system, but it is.

“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” – Steven Weinberg

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By christian96, June 25, 2009 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie——I don’t have to see someone sin.  The
Bible reads, “All have sinned and come short of the
glory of God.”  That includes me, you, Mother Teresa,
etc.  In response to incorrect thoughts, the Bible
reads, “My people perish for lack of knowledge.” I
was dealing with the Christian community because
I was responding to you. If you check my comments
following this article on June 23rd at 10:39 p.m.
you will notice I made reference to “false Christian teachers on TV.  Psalm 14:1 reads, “The fool has
said there is no God.”  I suggest you read the
advertisement on this sight, “Is There A God?”

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By Anarcissie, June 25, 2009 at 5:30 am Link to this comment

christian96:
‘Ardee and Outraged—-The Bible tells me that if I
see you sin and do not warn you then your sins are
upon my head.  However, if I see you sin and warn
you and you do not repent, your sins are upon your
own head.  So, I have done my job. ...’

You haven’t seen anyone sin, though.  Generally, the Biblical God does not prohibit incorrect thought, although in the Ten Commandments he forbids having other gods before him, and covetousness.  The people who wrote down the text certainly didn’t believe they were prohibited from arguing about God and other religious issues.  They even argued _with_ God on occasion.

Meanwhile, you’ve failed to deal with the many important charges which can be made against the Christian community, such as the support of war criminals, thus permitting them to defame its teachings.  That’s what you should be dealing with, since, if your general theories are correct, people are being kept away from salvation by the offensive behavior of these self-styled Christians and their organizations.

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By ardee, June 25, 2009 at 5:01 am Link to this comment

christian96, June 25 at 6:45 am #

So, now that you have accomplished your task, you can leave knowing your job is done….please!

You are a sad little fellow who cannot recognise the blatant hypocracy of your own position. I sometimes wish the myths were true, only for the chance to see you stand before the throne of judgement and be told what a corrupter of the words and meaning you really are.

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By christian96, June 25, 2009 at 3:45 am Link to this comment

Ardee and Outraged—-The Bible tells me that if I
see you sin and do not warn you then your sins are
upon my head.  However, if I see you sin and warn
you and you do not repent, your sins are upon your
own head.  So, I have done my job.  You have been
warned.  Your sins are upon your own head.  Have a
nice life.  You aren’t going to enjoy the next one.
I feel sorry for others you may contaminate with
your ideas, especially your children.

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By ardee, June 25, 2009 at 3:06 am Link to this comment

“A fanatic is someone who cant change his mind and wont change the subject.” Winston Churchill

Why this ‘preacher’ thinks it ok to hijack a political forum to spread his semi coherent and superstitious rants here is unknown to me

. Why others encourage his mental illness by responding, knowing full well it is a waste of time and effort is an insult to all who come here seeking a political conversation.

Take it off line….

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By Outraged, June 25, 2009 at 2:55 am Link to this comment

Re: christian96

Your comment: “The Bible is a book of faith and facts.”

This is a deceptive statement.  The bible is NOT a book of faith AND facts, anymoreso than “Gone With The Wind” is a book of “faith and facts”.  Are you trying to convince ME…..or yourself?

As to your statement: “You have to
be somewhat of an artist and scientist to believe
the teachings of the Bible.”

Or “the artful dodger”, I would presume.  However, it was telling that you did in fact ASSERT, that one would have “to BELIEVE in the teachings of the bible”.

After which you simply proceeded to “prove” your belief, AGAIN….. with belief.  I DO NOT BELIEVE the bible has any divine direction.  Therefore, when you quote scripture as fact or “proof”, it has no meaning, since as yet you have not PROVED the validity of the bible.  You, yourself….. accept, without proof, this as “God’s Word”, but I do not.  PROVE, the bible is, VALID as you claim…... to be the inspired word of God….....

Consistently, you USE the bible as some sort of inerrant TRUTH, but you have not yet, PROVEN this.  I doubt you will prove this to me, my question is…. how have you PROVEN this to yourself….?

I will not tell you that the bible does not contain stories “to live by” at least in some regards (it depends upon which stories you CHOOSE), however….. so too, does Aesop’s fables.  To whit, I would at least suggest that you “Not put all of your eggs in one basket” nor ignore the moral of the fable “The boy who cried wolf”.

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By christian96, June 24, 2009 at 11:17 pm Link to this comment

Outraged—-The Bible is a book of faith and facts.
I will probably get a rousing “amen” to this next
statement.  I use to tell my friends I was an “ASS.”
ASS meaning an art-science synthesis.  You have to
be somewhat of an artist and scientist to believe
the teachings of the Bible.  I will mention a couple
of facts because of limited space.  On the cross
Jesus said, “My father, my father, why have you
forgaken me?”  Jesus knew his father hadn’t forsaken
him.  Then, why did he say it?  The FACT is he was
directing his disciples and others studying the
Bible to Psalm 22 which was written approx. a thousand years before the crucifixation.  The Psalm
begins with the exact words, “My father, my father,
why have you forsaken me?”  The psalm then goes on
to not only describe a man being crucified but other
facts such as the Roman soldiers gamblling over his
garments.  What other religion makes prophecies that
later came true?  None!  After God got mad at the
Israel’s because they wouldn’t obey his teachings,
he scattered them throughout the world.  However,
he said that he would someday regather them back
into their land.  That prophecy was fulfilled on
May 14, 1948 when Israel once again became a nation.
That occured in our lifetime.  This is an exciting
time because we are living in the generation when
Jesus will return to earth to put an end to all
misery and reign upon earth for a thousand years.
The negative side of living in this generation
involves the great tribulation that is coming upon
the world.  Just like the earlier Israeli’s, God is
going to make people’s lives miserable trying to get
them to forsake being their own god and deciding for
themselves what is the best way to live their lives.
God is our father and creator.  He knows what is the
best way for us to live our lives.  The Bible says,
“There is a way which seems right to man but that
way is the way to destruction!”  We need to quit
playing God and let God be God.

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By Outraged, June 24, 2009 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

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Your comment: “Can I prove some thoughts come from evil
spirits?  Can you prove they don’t?”

It is well understood that it is next to impossible to prove a negative, I am claiming a negative.  You however are claiming a positive, in other words you are saying that something “IS”.  Therefore if this thing you say “IS” really is there, it is up to you to prove it.

You are asking me to prove something that which I don’t believe exists, ......ISN’T THERE.  Why would I do that?  Would you go around attempting to prove to others that there is not an imaginary cat sitting on the sofa?  Or there isn’t an imaginary man sitting on the park bench?

If you are making the claim that something is true or exists it is up to YOU to prove it.  Where is your proof?

Your bible verses are something you believe, but they are not something I believe.  And they also are NOT facts, they are beliefs.  This is WHY they call the bible a book of faith and not a book of facts.

You BELIEVE the bible was inspired by God, but I do not.  I think it’s a book simply written by men and that is all, just like all the other books in the world.  The bible is no different.

Have you ever considered all the many books of faith from all the different religions of the world.  I would guess that you would call all these (except yours) false books of faith, but the followers of that religion do not see them as false.

Supposed “holy books” are books of faith not fact, therefore it would be impossible to say one “holy” book was correct and another incorrect, since ALL “holy books” are not based upon facts.

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By Anarcissie, June 24, 2009 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

christian96:
‘Anarcissie—-If human nature is to blame for the
slaughter of millions by leaders of various countries
why doesn’t it happen in all countries?  Why haven’t
millions of Americans been slaughtered by one of our
leaders? ...’

Americans of European descent didn’t need a single great leader to exterminate several million Indians, appropriate their land, and then enslave and or kill several million Black people to work it.  They just did it on their own.  Then, in the Civil War, they slaughtered quite a few of one another.  I guess after that they confined themselves (mostly) to killing foreigners.  Or maybe they became nice, or something.  The urge to kill in large numbers seems to come in waves, so maybe it is the Devil; he can’t be everywhere all the time.  Or you could take the Gnostic view and say that the Creator is evil and the creation simply mimics his unpleasant personality.  But then you have the Problem of Good.  Whatever—don’t think Americans haven’t been up to snuff, if I may make a bad pun.

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By christian96, June 24, 2009 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie—-If human nature is to blame for the
slaughter of millions by leaders of various countries
why doesn’t it happen in all countries?  Why haven’t
millions of Americans been slaughtered by one of our
leaders?  In reference to “The Devil,” the Devil
doesn’t make you do something.  The Devil and his
fallen angels just put the idea in your head.  Then,
you do it!

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By Anarcissie, June 24, 2009 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

christian96:
‘Outraged—-Can I prove some thoughts come from evil
spirits?  Can you prove they don’t?  How do you
explain millions of people that were murdered by
Hitler and millions of people murdered by other
dictators? ...’

Evil spirits seem unnecessary to explain the behavior of Hitler and his followers, and the many others you mention.  Human beings are unusually nasty animals, but their various unpleasant activities, it seems to me, fall well within the area of possible animal behaviors.  While most species don’t make a practice of killing others of their kind, many do, and when we add the unusual human capacity for communication and social organization to that it’s no surprise if we come up with Hitler.

I think humans have to take responsibility for what they are.  Forget this “Devil made me do it” stuff.

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By christian96, June 23, 2009 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

Outraged—-Can I prove some thoughts come from evil
spirits?  Can you prove they don’t?  How do you
explain millions of people that were murdered by
Hitler and millions of people murdered by other
dictators?  You think it was because their mothers
didn’t breast-feed them?  Was it some tramatic
event(s) that happened during their formative years?
People throughout the centuries have hated the Jews.
Why?  As far as Alice in Wonderland goes I don’t
believe in it literally.  It does NOT make me happy
to think about the great tribulation coming upon
the earth as predicted in the Bible.  In Matthew 24:
21 Jesus said, “For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world
to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”  Many people,
especially children, are going to suffer and die.
How could that possibly make me happy.  As I see
what is taking place around the world(wars, pestilence, hunger, violent weather conditions,
false Christian teachers on TV, etc.) I can’t but
believe we have already entered this period know
as the great tribulation.  Zechariah 14:12 reads,
“And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord
will smite all the people that have fought against
Jerusalem:  Their flesh shall consume away while
they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall
consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall
consume away in their mouth.”  Sounds like a nuclear
bomb to me and this prophecy was written thousands
of years ago before anyone knew anything about
nuclear bombs.  As you look at developments taking
place in the middle east don’t you think we are
rapidly approaching fulfillment of Zech. 14:12?
Concerning my proof that the Bible is the inspired
word of God, I can’t tell you right now.  It is
something known only by God and myself.  It will
be revealed at the appointed time.  That’s all I
can tell you at this time.

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By Outraged, June 23, 2009 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

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Here are some of them.

“Your conjecture that thoughts come from spiritual beings lacks PROOF.  You may BELIEVE this, but that does not make it true.  Yes, the bible was written by men.  So how is it that this book written by MEN 1000’s of years ago, is able to explain more than men know today…..?  This is a problem with your conjecture, so you simply INVENT another belief to qualify the first one, by claiming the bible is “inspired” by god.  This proves nothing.  Belief, based upon belief is still belief, but it is not FACT.”

Your comment: ” can’t tell you about the nature of the proof right now but I know for a certain that it is coming.”

(Mine is response) More power to ya’, now….. can you EXPLAIN how it is that you (again) “KNOW” this…?  You ADMIT that you “can’t tell me” about the “nature of proof”, AND claim it is because apparently you don’t know “right now”.... yet….you still claim rather speciously, “that it is coming”, how’s that….?  Please elaborate.

BTW, do you BELIEVE my “Alice in Wonderland” story, or do you not?  Additionally, WHY or WHY NOT?

Christian96 you continue to claim all types of supposedly scary tales of our demise (again, without proof) but the strange thing is, it seems to make you happy, am I reading that right?

Do you have some proof?  Are you planning something? Why do you claim, “I can’t tell you about the nature of the proof right now but I know for a certain that it is coming.”

What is coming…?  You could at least give me a hint?

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By KDelphi, June 23, 2009 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie—It is very hard for one to percieve what another feels, unless they have felt it themselves. It has to occur through socialization. (which you said).

“Feral” kids usually fail to exhibit any ability for relationships, as do many children raised in institutions, although it is almost impossible to separate nurture from nature, here.

Sadists, or sado-maochists, are sometimes simply trying to feel something and only reflecting behavior that they observed in childhood. They can feel anger and physical, sexual agression, but, often not much else. (these are lower brain reactions, and dont require much socialization)

Some recall that they remember their father beating their mother and then having sex with her. Hence, they tend to get excited (psychically and physically) over things that most of us would find perverse and repulsive.

They may “sense” a feeling without actually experiencing it, or may be attempting to “feel” something that they dont, in psychic terms.

This leads to projection and and “as if” personality.

Physical response is not as much within individual control. The behavior is under control, but, not the body’s physical response.

Empathy is what, one would hope, would lead one not to ACT on the physical response.

There are sado-masochistic “pairs” or “Folie a deux”, but its pretty rare that it goes this far.

That wouldnt necessarily be a “disturbance” unless it bothered one or the other of the pair or reached illegality.

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By Anarcissie, June 23, 2009 at 8:17 am Link to this comment

Empathy is knowing perceiving what another feels.  A complete lack of it would have to be considered a serious disability for humans and other highly social animals since it would make social life nearly impossible.  It is sometimes said that psychopaths lack this faculty.  Sadists would have to be empathetic, since in order to enjoy the pain of another one must be able to perceive it.

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By christian96, June 23, 2009 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

Outraged—-What are your questions?

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By Inherit The Wind, June 23, 2009 at 4:23 am Link to this comment

Anyone who quotes from the Ravings of St. John the Insane loses me. Boogey-man stories to frighten children and the ignorant into blind, dumb terrified obedience to their corrupted priests.

I HAVE read “Ravings”, and I read it without any pre-conceptions.  Afterwards, with my non-believing non-Christian eye I saw it as it was, and have called it the “Ravings” of an angry frustrated insane fanatic.

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By Outraged, June 23, 2009 at 1:14 am Link to this comment

Re: truthdigger3

Your comment: “He really believes that “the devil is speaking through you!!”.
Christian96 thinks now it is his duty to try to
“save your soul!!”.”

That’s okay.  I’ve been “saved” before.  Therefore, if christian96 can “enlighten” me, I’m all for it, and willing to give it a go around.

Problem is…. christian96 appears to ignore my questions and sidesteps engaging debate with me upon crucial matters of importance.  Yeah, that’s how it appears to me.  To each his own I suppose…. not everyone who claims knowledge or truth has the capacity to back it up.  Some, it is obvious merely “shoot their mouth off”.

I am absolutely willing to engage in healthy debate regarding christian96’s assertions, but alas…. it appears that christian96 simply isn’t up to the challenge.  But that’s okay too….. some have it, and some simply open up their mouth, the story of the ages.

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By Outraged, June 23, 2009 at 12:50 am Link to this comment

Re: Anarcissie

Your comment: “curious thing about Christians: those who most loudly proclaim their Christianity seem to hold the precepts and example of their founder in utter contempt.

Ain’t it the truth though…... It really is…. sadly those who don’t endorse this mantra and CLAIM to be CHRISTIANS, lie silent…...

I think it a telling feature that “I”, the atheist need to shout down, this craziness…. then again, maybe not.  What MESSAGE does that send to the American People….?  Or… did they already KNOW?

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By Samson, June 22, 2009 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

“for all the positive, even admirable steps Obama’s America seems poised to take”

Democrats repeat this like a mantra.  But, they never give details.  They just throw it out as a truism, never back it up, then continue onwards. 

In this case, Mr. Sirota then goes on to list some of the extreme problems with the Obama administration.  The handing of trillions of dollars of our money to wall street with no strings attached, the continuation of the Iraq war on Bush’s plan, the expansion of the wars in Af-Pak, the continued threats to attack Iran and maybe a plot to overthrow the government or influence the elections there. 

We know all of this.  But what’s this always unmentioned ‘positives’ that we keep getting told exist?

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By herewegoagain, June 22, 2009 at 8:48 am Link to this comment
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truedigger writes: “America also moved to “financial innovations”, which is in reality, as recent events proved, is nothing but paper shuffling and creating ponzi schemes.”

And not based on real production of goods, at least not directly. Which is why I find the topic of transferring money creation from bank loans to government issuance a worthy one to examine. (See my earlier post with a link to a summary article at monetary.org about this.)

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By Anarcissie, June 22, 2009 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

christian96:
‘If people in our country would turn from their
selfish WANTS and start concentrating on other
peoples NEEDS God would spare what is ahead for
this nation but it’s not going to happen.  Probably,
one aspect of America that keeps us afloat is our
support for Israel. ...’

So the needs of Palestinian Arabs don’t count?

Anyway, if God, being omnipotent, has some kind of jones for the welfare of Israel, he doesn’t need America to work it.  And if he wants Americans to be different, he could make them different.

It’s hard to think of anything further removed from the teachings of Jesus than the cynical imperialism of the U.S. ruling class’s support of Israel.  And that is one aspect of a curious thing about Christians: those who most loudly proclaim their Christianity seem to hold the precepts and example of their founder in utter contempt.

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By christian96, June 22, 2009 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

If people in our country would turn from their
selfish WANTS and start concentrating on other
peoples NEEDS God would spare what is ahead for
this nation but it’s not going to happen.  Probably,
one aspect of America that keeps us afloat is our
support for Israel.  Once that is gone then it’s a
quick slide down the mountain for our empire.  We
didn’t last long.

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By ardee, June 22, 2009 at 2:51 am Link to this comment

truedigger3, June 21 at 5:47 pm #
America also moved to “financial innovations”, which is in reality, as recent events proved, is nothing but paper shuffling and creating ponzi schemes.
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Ive no quibble with that assessment. I was speaking to a broader and more generalised view of our changing economy.

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By truedigger3, June 22, 2009 at 2:35 am Link to this comment

Outraged,

It is a waste of time to try to reason with the like
of Christian96 and his ilk. It is futile.
He really believes that “the devil is speaking through you!!”.
Christian96 thinks now it is his duty to try to
“save your soul!!”.

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By Outraged, June 22, 2009 at 1:54 am Link to this comment

Re: christian96

Your comment: ” can’t tell you about the nature of the proof right now but I know for a certain that it is coming.”

More power to ya’, now….. can you EXPLAIN how it is that you (again) “KNOW” this…?  You ADMIT that you “can’t tell me” about the “nature of proof”, AND claim it is because apparently you don’t know “right now”.... yet….you still claim rather speciously, “that it is coming”, how’s that….?  Please elaborate.

BTW, do you BELIEVE my “Alice in Wonderland” story, or do you not?  Additionally, WHY or WHY NOT?

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By christian96, June 21, 2009 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

I’ve been reading various comments following articles.  There seems to be many questions about
the mind and ideas of President Obama.  He is a
human just like the rest of us:  eats, sleeps, goes
to the bathroom, etc.  For those of you not familiar
with the Bible, I will bring scriptures to mind
for you.  Revelation 12: 7,8,9 “And there was war in
Heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the
dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and
did not prevail.  Their place was not found in
heaven anymore.  The great dragon was cast out, that
old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which
DECEIVES THE WHOLE WORLD:  He was cast out into the
earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”  Then,
Revelation 12:12 reads, “Therefore refoice you that
dwell in the Heavens.  WOE to the inhabitants of the
earth and of the sea!  For the devil is come down
unto you, having great wrath, because he knows he
has but a short time.”  Notice it read, “he was cast
INTO the earth.”  I recently watched a program on
The History Channel about people witnessing UFO’s
going INTO water.  Is the devil and his angels in
UFO’s and are they based under water?  Interesting
thought!  What does all this have to do with the
ideas of President Obama?  If you were the devil and his angels and your goal was to destroy as many
people as possible how would you do it?  One obvious answer would be to influence the ideas of people
producing movies, television programs, computer
games, etc. regardless where on earth they were being produced, i.e, USA, Europe, Russia, Iran, etc.  Another significant target the devil and his
angels would hit would be heads of state in various
countries.  They would be the ones responsible for
the wars and destruction around the earth.  Obama
and other heads of states must watch their ideas.
I am not completely sure how Satan and his angels
can influence ideas but I am positive they can.  Satan is my and your enemy.  If you are going to fight an enemy you better learn as much as you can
about that enemy.  Don’t forget the phrase above
“Satan deceives the whole world.”  Have you and I
been deceived by Satan and his angels working through people?  You can bet on it. Have you ever
wondered why so many various people around the world hate the tiny nation of Israel?  Revelation 12:13
gives us the answer, “When the dragon saw that he was cast to earth, he persecuted the woman which
brought forth the man child.  The child is Jesus.
The woman was Israel.  Trying to prevent the first
coming of Jesus Satan influenced the mind of Herod
to have 3,000 babies slaughtered in Bethlehem.  Now
Satan is trying to prevent the second coming of Jesus because he knows when he arrives his time on
earth is finished for a thousand years.  You think
the President of Iran is crazy when he says “Death
to Israel” and “Israel must be wiped off the earth?”  He’s not crazy.  HE’S POSSESSED!  Just like Adolf Hitler was!  Happy Father’s Day!

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By truedigger3, June 21, 2009 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

ardee wrote:
” think that America has moved from a manufacturing base to a technological base and the upheavals are a product of this move”
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ardee,

America also moved to “financial innovations”, which is in reality, as recent events proved, is nothing but paper shuffling and creating ponzi schemes.
Whether it is technology or “financial innovations”, the most important question now, is how the common folks will find decent jobs with living wages, and what will happen to the society at large as the stresses of unemployment, underemployment and wide spread destitution press on.
What is going right now is not sustainable and will lead to dire results.

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By johannes, June 21, 2009 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

@ Annarcissie

Maby we are doomed with or without it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And could be as you say, I am not surprised at all.


Salutations

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By bud, June 21, 2009 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment
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Obama’s either a fool with no imagination, stupid, or willingly serving the interests of the predator class (who are so stupid they are going to bring down the world economy along with themselves).

It’s much less stressful just to do what everybody else does than try something new.  This has been obvious in war after war.  In the Civil War, Union generals just kept following the same failed strategy again and again.  In WWI the generals again stuck to the known and guaranteed to fail.

I don’t understand why people say Obama’s so intelligent.  He neither has good ideas nor surrounds himself with intelligent aides.  On top of that, he’s taken in by the kooks of Freakonomics.  Does he just believe the last words he hears or is he stupid?

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By christian96, June 21, 2009 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

Outraged—-Jesus had a disciple named Thomas.  After
the resurrection of Jesus the other disciples were
telling Thomas about it.  Thomas said, “I won’t
believe it until I can see the print of the nails
in his hands and thrust my hand into his side.”
In other words, Thomas wanted PROOF of the resurrection.  Today with so much influence on
science and technology people want proof even more
than people prior to the science and technology age.
Within the next two years, there will be proof that
the Bible was written by men inspired by the same
God who created the universe and everything within
it.  I can’t tell you about the nature of the proof
right now but I know for a certain that it is coming.

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By KDelphi, June 21, 2009 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

johannes—I hope that it may be…thanks

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By Anarcissie, June 21, 2009 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

Johannes—Microsoft Windows was not an invention.  It was and is a rather badly-made operating system ultimately based on the Multics/Unix model, but in sadly decayed form.  The GUI side of it was the result of a series of thefts: Microsoft stole from Apple, who stole from Xerox, who lifted the idea from Douglas Engelbart of Stanford, who invented it.  The business success of Windows is due entirely to the ruthless monopolistic practices of its owners, and on the whole is has been an impediment to the development of computers in that it blocked or displaced better operating systems whose owners weren’t quite as good at commercial thuggery.  If Microsoft is an example of American engineering and technological capability, then we’re doomed.

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By bogi666, June 21, 2009 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

Carolyn Kay, you’re absolutely right Cynthia is a good vote, she wasn’t on the ballot here in Georgia and I just choose an convenient option who was. FYI, Hillbillary refuses to identify herself as a liberal and makes it a point NOT to do so. That’s why I couldn’t vote for her. I didn’t like Bill much and my dislike of him has nothing to do with to do with his use or size of his penis which captivated the Repubicans so much and ultimately lead to the 9/11 attacks because it diverted the attention of the Congress to govern competently. Cynthia was a good choice.

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By johannes, June 21, 2009 at 6:55 am Link to this comment

The Airbus industrie is an losmaking work provider.

By the end of the A380 machine the los is about 20 a25 milliards EU.

Its not about making profit, but about selling, the losses are paid by the Europeên taxpayers.

When the eldest flymachinemakers of the world the Fokker of the Netherlands where bot by the Germans and an year later where ript in peaces en sold of, they the Fokker still had their way of making composite parts hold together, and are still selling the know how, but it says enough about the friendly businness between naburs.

I think the US is capable of creating an whole new way of working and thinking, but it will not come from the governement side, maby the spark will come again from the midwest.


Salutations

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By ardee, June 21, 2009 at 6:14 am Link to this comment

Recent American inventions (2000 - )

2001 Microwave Anisotropy Probe
  * A microwave anisotropy probe, or Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, measures the temperature of the Big Bang’s remnant radiant heat. Headed by Professor Charles L. Bennett, the mission is a joint project between the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center and Princeton University. [514] The WMAP satellite was launched on 30 June 2001. On February 11, 2003 NASA’s WMAP takes the first detailed “baby picture” of the universe. The image reveals the universe is 13.7 billion years old and provides evidence that supports the inflationary theory.

2001 Self-balancing personal transporter

  * The Segway PT, invented by Dean Kamen, was the world’s first two-wheeled, self-balancing, electric vehicle used for “personal transport”. [515]

2002 SERF

  * A spin-exchange relaxation-free (SERF) magnetometer achieves very high magnetic field sensitivity by monitoring a high density vapor of alkali metal atoms precessing in a near-zero magnetic field. SERF magnetometers are among the most sensitive magnetic field sensors and in some cases exceed the performance of SQUID detectors of equivalent size. The SERF magnetometer was invented by Michael V. Romalis at Princeton University in 2002. [516]

2003 Fermionic condensate

  * A fermionic condensate is a superfluid phase formed by fermionic particles at low temperatures. The first atomic fermionic condensate was invented by Deborah S. Jin in 2003. [517]

2006 HPV vaccine

  * The human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine is a vaccine that prevents infection with certain species of human papillomavirus associated with the development of cervical cancer and genital warts. In work that was initiated in the mid 1980s, the vaccine was developed, in parallel, by Dr. Richard Reichman, Dr. William Bonnez, and Dr. Robert Rose, [518] at Georgetown University Medical Center, the University of Rochester, and the National Cancer Institute.

2006 Three-dimensional model rendering[list membership disputed]

  * Photosynth is a software application which analyzes digital photographs and generates a three-dimensional model of the photos and a point cloud of a photographed object. Pattern recognition components compare portions of images to create points, which are then used to convert the image into a model.[519]

2006 Shingles vaccine

  * Zostavax is a live vaccine developed by Merck & Co. in 2006, shown to reduce the incidence of herpes zoster by 51.3% in a pivotal phase III study of 38,000 adults aged 60 and older who received the vaccine. [520]

2009 Composite aircraft[list membership disputed]

  * Currently under development by Boeing Commercial Airplanes, the Boeing 787 Dreamliner is the world’s first jet airliner to use composite materials for most of its fuselage as well as raked wingtips which improve fuel economy, climb performance, and shorten takeoff field length. Tom Cogan, as chief engineer, has overseen the entire Boeing 787 Dreamliner program from its inception. [521] As the fastest-selling wide-body jet airliner in aviation history, the Boeing 787’s first test flight is scheduled for early 2009 with deliveries expected in 2010.

(stolen from Wiki, and in the interest of full disclosure I note that some of the article in question is disputed…..)

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By ardee, June 21, 2009 at 6:14 am Link to this comment

Methinks ITW doth protesteth overmuch.

True that we have lost much of our industrial capacity, but I put to you that this was an inevitable result of emerging industrialization of third world nations. It is certainly true that factory owners and our government neglected their obligations to the American workers that made them wealthy and to the nation that provided the means wherein they became successes, but ten cents an hour and no environmental rules is a powerful argument to move ones means of production.

I think that America has moved from a manufacturing base to a technological base and the upheavals are a product of this move. Further I think that we will be seen as the place where new inventions are born, even though they go elsewhere to be made.

I trust that this position doesn’t mark me as a member of any “contingent” in the eyes of ITW.

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By johannes, June 21, 2009 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

@ inherit the wind


The greatest of them all, without nothing works anymore ” windows ” from microsoft.


Slutation

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By Inherit The Wind, June 21, 2009 at 4:20 am Link to this comment

Where would we be without Ron Popeil and his “Popeil Pocket Fisherman” and Ronco “Inside the Egg Scrambler” (“makes a perfect Christmas gift”)?

While Japan makes Toyotas and Korea makes Hyundais and Germany makes BMWs and Mercedes, America makes Chevies and pickups.

While Japan makes Hondas and Yamahas and Germany makes BMWs and Austria makes KTMs, America makes Harley-Davidsons.

I cannot think of great American inventions of the last 10 years. (Viagra doesn’t count)

Electronics come from Japan, Europe or that “little Satan” TDrs love to hate, Israel.

Even the best pool cleaners, the Aquabot and Blue Diamond, etc all are based on an Israeli invention and come from there.

Even the best outdoor clothing is now usually made in China, even if it’s designed here.

Even AirBus is catching up to, and beating out Boeing.

Heavy industry, light industry, electronics, textiles, all have been lost, and amazingly in less than 30 years by the policies of the Re-thugs and the spineless-ball-less lack of resistance by the Dims.

What do we have left? Fast food, financial “products” and “wardrobe malfunctions.”

The system was BROKEN and broken deliberately when Ronald Reagan became President in January 20, 1981.  Our rapid demise can be dated to that day.

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By johannes, June 21, 2009 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

Kapitalisme is based on free enterprise, but not on free rip of, or taking on the stupid by the welty, to let them geth corrupted to sell their own mother.

Businness is lawfull swindling from people.

In an moderne society, Energie and water has to be in the hands of the governement and given to the people in equal parts, for the price its costing to produce, in stead of some who are filling their pockets with easy money.

Further more without going for socialisme or communisme, their are some lessens to be found in the book from Karl Marx, we can not going on this road.

Its the same for emigration, we have to see to it that other ethnic can live normal in their own country’s all that mixing up is only nice for some big money makers but for the normal people its not good to see your nice and calm live ript in peaces.

Well some thoughts from the other side of the Atlantic.

You maby happy to have site’s as this in your country, most of the Media’s are speeking with an split tong, as the Indians say, I followed the Herald Tribune in his news dealing about Georgia near Russia, we know that Georgia started the war, it took some time but yes to day it is Russia who started the war, we know in Europe that the Israelies and the CIA are installed heavy in Georgia, and we don’t like it at all, they start to say they bring freedom, but most of the time if Holbrook is their you geth war.

salutation

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By johannes, June 21, 2009 at 3:07 am Link to this comment

@ Outradge


To discuss an belief, I think thats not posseble, how can you discuss feelings and mental moments, thats how we came in Europe to go out of the churches and created our persenel and own belief and
a mix of feelings and way’s of thinking and even religion, but on our way, and that we try to do together, in love and understanding.

We have a big problem with an incoming dogmatic religion the Islam, they have to learn to look inside
and try to find the real truth, but it is not easy, let we say not impossible but allmost.


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By Purple Girl, June 21, 2009 at 3:02 am Link to this comment

Capitalism Killed the Free market, Innovation and Imagination.
Let’s be honest the Corp takeover of our economy has stifled and destroyed all that was good about the American economic stratedgy.
At one time a person could have an idea- a lil gadget- and offer it up on the market. Now it is either Highjacked by corps, or dessimated by their predatory business practices.
Heres the fallacy that has been shoveled down the American peoples throats- We the People are Not represented as a Collective by our Gov’t.The Repugs have aptly misconstured our democracy in such a way as to make the one entity that is ‘Of,For and By’ some kind of foreign enemy of the people. When Reagan said ‘The Gov’t is the problem’- he was essentially saying the Will of We the people is the problem, and that is where this entire economic disaster began.
Heres the Reality- We the People are The Gov’t- through our ability to elect our representatives and Unelect our representatives. We the People were not onl ygranted the right to Democratic process to determine our Fate, But also access to the Free market.
What ahs now become painfully apparent is that many of our so called Public servants have been working for the Opposition- the family crests we now call Logos. We the People have been relegated to mere labor and consumer, and prohibited from accessing the producer/provider/supplier/seller side of the market table.
If we are unable to find a corp backer for our product/idea who can Lauch our product or service, it’s dead in the water. Unless of course they are willing to pay a pittance for the patent rights. Otherwise they just use their predatory tactics to starve Us out of business.
Worse yet is the propaganda that We the People are not allowed to act as a collective (an Inc) to offer any good and services (Autos,healthcare) or own and distribute any resources (Energy). Infact this priviledge is only for certain segments in our society- those of the Merchant and elite ‘Noble’ classes.
Nothing proves this return to a feudalistic cast system more clearly than the blocking of a Public option for healthcare.Why are WE the People Prohibited from being a conglomerate of small investors which provide services to our members?
Although I am an avid supporter of a nationalized healthcare program- since we were granted the birth right to ‘Life,liberty and the Pursuit of happiness’ which health plays the key role in assuring, I realize it’s implementation would be rather complicated at this point- Huge confusion, joblessness and burden on the providers. However a Public Option does not pose such issues, nor does it negate competition. Infact it rejuvinates the competitiveness of the Free market.
What these Corps and their Political pocket puppies fear is that what ahs been done to ‘We the people’ will happen to them- they will be pushed out of the market, because they are inacpable of competing against US.So to claim they are only trying to protect the Free market ideology is an outright fallacy. And if they were truely defenders of theAmericna people, they would not be trying to barr US from entering our own free market as producers,providers, suppliers, sellers.
Frankly such usurping our our rights and Freedoms in accessing ALL aspects of the American Free Market is an affront to the concept and essentially Treasonous.

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By Outraged, June 21, 2009 at 2:38 am Link to this comment

Re: christian96

Your comment: “Where do your thoughts come from?  Believe me, no psyschologist, socilogist, neurologist, etc. can tell you where thoughts come from.  However, the Bible can tell you.  They come from spiritual beings.”

Your conjecture that thoughts come from spiritual beings lacks PROOF.  You may BELIEVE this, but that does not make it true.  Yes, the bible was written by men.  So how is it that this book written by MEN 1000’s of years ago, is able to explain more than men know today…..?  This is a problem with your conjecture, so you simply INVENT another belief to qualify the first one, by claiming the bible is “inspired” by god.  This proves nothing.  Belief, based upon belief is still belief, but it is not FACT.

There is NO PROOF the bible was inspired by god, yet you believe that.  There is NO PROOF of spirit creatures of any kind, yet you believe that.  There is NO PROOF that bad thoughts come from evil spirits, yet you believe that.  There is NO PROOF that nice thoughts come from holy spirit, yet you believe that.

So, even though the world has not proven specifically where thoughts “come from” as yet, we have some good ideas, but we do not yet accept them as fact since they are not yet PROVEN.  You’ve chosen to accept an explanation which has absolutely zero proof.

It seemed to me that you feel the ones trying to figure out where and how thoughts originate are ignorant of facts.  Their explanations would require PROOF before being accepted.  Your conjecture is acceptance without PROOF. In turn, you say that you KNOW where thoughts come from - spirit creatures, yet you provide NO PROOF.

In order to provide PROOF, you would need to PROVE the bible was TRUTHFULLY/FACTUALLY inspired by god.  To do that, you would first have to PROVE this god you claim “inspired” it, exists.  Your assumption that the bible tells us where bad thoughts come from isn’t any more plausible than if I told you that Alice went to Wonderland and spoke to the Queen of Hearts because I have a book that says so and the book is true because the book says its true.

If you were to deny my assertion, I would tell you simply that the my book was “inspired by god” although written by men, therefore it is true.  Would you believe me….?  Or would you require PROOF….?

The fact that you believe something, does not make it true, right, or factual.  It is simply belief.

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By johannes, June 21, 2009 at 1:50 am Link to this comment

@KDelphi


The American people are priseners of their own indoctrinale thinking.

Nowhere is their a country with somany flags flown,
somuch sentiment about our country and patriotic emty
words, every men and woman loves more or less their country’s, but seen the US from outside, its going a littelbit to the theatraal side.

The land of the Free, well its more or less comic, if you think on the American’s working class not much paid and not much hollyday’s.

No good medical service for every body, except for the happy few, its very normal in 2009 that every ill men or woman geth an good treathment, and has money to live decent if they are old.

But for us its still a fine country with the kind of people we like, and hopefully you will come out some day, in a real freecountry, a country for the people, and without war.


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By johannes, June 21, 2009 at 12:43 am Link to this comment

@ Christian 96

After the Kennedy’s gone, it was the turn to atack the Katholiek church, by their priests, sexual misbehavior, money etc. its very easy if you have the whole media world in your hands.

My feeling is that now the Protestant religion gets his turn, they put it in the Boogyman corner, divorses of the preachers, well all negatief things
you can think of, again easy the own the media’s

Their are some very dark forces working in your and also our country, its for the moment waith and see.


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By KDelphi, June 21, 2009 at 12:41 am Link to this comment

Cathy—You will never see such a story on any of Obama’s “dot.gov” sites. The censorship on any of Obama’s sites is so bad, I just dont bother anymore.I think that it is intellectually dishonest that they are screening the truth, and they have from day one.

here are a couple more groups for June 25th..if anyone is interested…http://www.1payer.net/action-alerts/313-national-rally.html

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Ioa4rtAZqyMJ:plannedparenthoodnj.org/assets/docs

http://www.healthcare-now.org/about/regarding-hcan/

johannes—please say what you are thinking.

I am thinking that USAns “love a Revolution” but never have the cajones to make one of their own. I am certain that any other civilized country would be in the streets. USAns let the Supreme Cpurt steal an election and let the Dems get by with murder, and still, pretend that they are better.

It wouldnt have to be a dream. But, too many are still comfortable. I dont think that that will last very long…but, as long as Obama lets Wall St steal, same as Bush, the “ones that matter” will be comfortable and us serfs can watch them on tv…

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By johannes, June 21, 2009 at 12:21 am Link to this comment

@ Christian 96


What we think to know about Kennedy is:

The harmfull war industry who could not be stopt.
The Zionist Fors, including the Fed, he was losing the grip on the power, and he started to turn back some things, and has given them a verbal warning.
All the differend Mafia’s,under a surprime Jewes boss, was to much for the country.

The warning was Marilyn Monroe’s murder, by the Mafia.
Well he is been murdered, his brother, and his son,
by the people who have now the power.


Salutation

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By christian96, June 20, 2009 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment

Johannes——You made a comment earlier that I forgot
to ask you about.  On June 20th at 12:57p.m., you
mentioned that John and Robert Kennedy knew something
and that’s why they had to die.  Could you explain
what it is they knew?  Thank you.

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By samosamo, June 20, 2009 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment

By whyzowl1, June 20 at 8:56 pm
““We have to organize for what we want. There is no other way.”“
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This is a key point and one that I believe is correct as Scott Ritter’s book ‘Waging peace’ that details ‘organizing’ which is just about the only way to overcome those that have out-organized the rest of rest of us because they saw an opening and a vision of being able to game the systems that at one time was regulated and scrutinized to prevent just what has happened.

But organizing is not an attribute of the ‘us’ in ‘us and them’ because it takes us away from what we would rather be doing with no one left to secure our lives as the ‘them’ have, after all, their orgainization goes way back but I will only go as far back as the beginnings of the neocon think tanks that sprouted up during nixon’s years of crook-in-chief.

Changing anything now is or will be very difficult as what charles keating established in the S&L crisis years has morphed into a more potent and dangerous set of circumstances that uses ‘control fraud’(that system of subverting or doing away with the check and balance systems of regulating the exact institutions that have created this mess)as a means to and end.

What ever the way, something needs to be done to change the criminal infestation of the control and running of OUR country and true justice definitely needs to be served on those rightly responsible of the crises we live with and in these days.

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By christian96, June 20, 2009 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment

Johannes—-Sounds like your grandfather was a wise
man but Christianity doesn’t evolve.  As the Bible
reads “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today,
and forever.”  The Bible was written by men but by men under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  Think
about it!  Where do your thoughts come from?  Believe
me, no psyschologist, socilogist, neurologist, etc.
can tell you where thoughts come from.  However, the
Bible can tell you.  They come from spiritual beings.
Some spirits are trying to help you and other spirits
are trying to destroy you.  How can you tell the
difference?  Look at the nature of your thought!
If your thought is to bring harm to yourself and/or
others, it may well be inspired by evil spirits.
Whereas, if your thought is to love and serve others
it probably comes from a holy spirit.  I made a
mistake above.  I said, “No psychologist can tell
you where your thoughts come from.”  There is a
group of psychologists called “learning theorists”
who can explain the nature of SOME thoughts.  For
example, if you see a sign that reads “McDonalds
2 miles ahead on exit 666” the word “McDonalds”
may trigger the thought “McDonalds, I think I’ll
get a sandwich.”  That thought comes from the fact
that you ASSOCIATED sandwich with the sign in the
past because you ate a sandwich and it tasted
pleasureable.  If it had not tasted pleasureable
you probably would not get the thought.  This principle is behind most of the advertising you see
on television.  Watch a sporting event and you will
often see an advertisement for beer with a smiling
(pleasureable) man holding a beer with a beautiful
woman smiling(pleasureable) as she kisses and touches him(pleasurable), implying that if you drink
that beer you will smile and have women smiling and
touching you.  However, there are other more sinister thoughts that cannot be explained through
conditioning.  There appears to be an increase
in kidnapping, rape, and killing of very small
children.  The thoughts behind those behaviors are
very difficult to explain except through the
influence of spiritual forces.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 20, 2009 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment

I wish Obama or whomever had said $100billion, too, rather than $1 trillion—because it’s a lot less costly that way!

I love how so many TDrs can’t do basic arithmetic.  Multiply $100bn x 10 and you get $1 trillion.

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By whyzowl1, June 20, 2009 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

Lefties love to criticize the US’s corporate leadership for their “short-term” thinking and subsequent inability to see beyond the next quarter’s bottom line, but fail to notice that same flaw hard at work within themselves.

I mean, gee whiz, we did get out there and vote for Obama and all—didn’t we? So how come we’re not getting every good lefty thing we ever wanted or dreamed of RIGHT NOW? Where’s our instant karma? Dammit!

Know this. Barack Obama is not going to lead us to the progressive promised land, and never pretended he would, so let’s just get over it. We got rid of Bush, stopped the bleeding and started the healing, and that’s really pretty good for now. At least Obama’s listening to us instead of openly sneering in our faces. That’s progress.

As I see it, we’ve got to get together and make a collective noise that sounds to Congress’ ears louder than that of the “talking” campaign money they currently earn by serving the interests of the powers-that-be. This is going to take some tme.


We have to organize for what we want. There is no other way.

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By johannes, June 20, 2009 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

@ Christian 96

I had one of my grandfathers as an Dominé as we sayhe was an wise men, and an very good onest preachermen as you say, he told me that Evolution wash much stronger as Religion, that even the Christian Religion who was made an wrote by men, had to go thru an episode of evolution, and on the end will shine as new, and kill all evil.

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By christian96, June 20, 2009 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

The Bible tells us that God lets Satan make things
miserable on the earth trying to get people to repent, which means change your thoughts and behaviors. Change them in accordance with the
teaching of Jesus, mainly love and serve other
people.  Once this is accomplished then God will make
things better, not some man(Obama) or woman(Hillary).
Sadly, the Bible tells us that even though people’s
lives are made miserable they still refuse to turn
from their evil ways.  Therefore, brace yourselves
for a time of woe the Bible refers to as THE GREAT
TRIBULATION.  You seriously want to help the world.
Repent!  The choice is yours!  That goes for the
whole world.  When I was in Israel I saw much evil,
i.e. cigarettes, porn, selfishness, etc.  If Israel
wants things to get better it won’t be with weapons
and walls.  It will be through turning to Jesus and
following his commandments.  Isaiah 58:1 reads,
“Lift up your voice like a trumpet and show my people
their sins.”  One TV preacher is organizing a group
to go to Washington this summer to protest in front
of the White House in support Israel.  If he would
read his Bible he would be organizing a group to go
to the White House and show Israel their sins!  Of
course that wouldn’t get his ministry much attention
and money!

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By johannes, June 20, 2009 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

Well you can dream on long as you like.

But the United States of America is in the hands of non American’s.

President Kennedy had the knowledge from wath was coming, thats why he had to die, and his brother.

And now you can here the schakels ringing, they will enslave on an very soft and brilliant way the USA.

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By herewegoagain, June 20, 2009 at 8:59 am Link to this comment
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Regarding the timid approach to fixing our financial systems, it’s interesting to note that most of our legislators refuse to consider transferring money creation from the banks (via the loans the make) to the US government.

But it’s a power that is clearly granted in the Constitution. And there are some economists who are publicly stating this is the only way we will ever get ourselves out of our enormous debt. 

If anyone’s interested in reading more about this subject, including a rebuttal to the most common oppositional argument, that it would cause inflation, here’s a good summary: http://www.monetary.org/need_for_monetary_reform.html

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By thebeerdoctor, June 20, 2009 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

re: Cathy

Thank you.

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By Cathy, June 20, 2009 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

Here it is beerdoctor:

http://healthcare09.org/

I don’t think this is the only group holding rallies that day.  There are other single-payer groups and other public option groups.

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By thebeerdoctor, June 20, 2009 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

re: Cathy

What is happening on June 25?

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By Cathy, June 20, 2009 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

KISS:  In California when a salesman says ” trust me” the true meaning is a four letter profane word…why do I get that same feeling when our chosen leader tells those whoppers?

My son’s father has been in my life for 26 years now and he has always used the words “trust me” and the sky starts falling down shortly after that.  So when I heard anybody say those words now I have a Pavlovian response and I stop listening. 

Another very annoying phrase from Obama is “let me be clear” and then he proceeds to talk down to the audience like we’re a bunch of kids.  Bush talked to us in this condescending manner but I thought it was because he believed that everybody was of the same limited intelligence as he seemed to be.  On the other hand, maybe Bush watched the short-lived WB show “Street Smarts” and figured he was safe.  After all, these were college graduates and they knew nothing.  You can get one over on people like this and they’ll never know what hit them. 

But there is nothing like a depression to wake people up.  Obama relied on the power of the internet for his campaign—remember the big deal that was made of that—and his using of YouTube as the propaganda machine?  After the inauguration proceeded to diss and dismiss “internet people” and “bloggers” in regards to a serious question on marijuana legalization.  I don’t think I’ll ever forget that video and his smirk and snarky comment.  It spoke volumes to me.  The comment about the bloggers was a few days later.   

He is trying to very hard to keep the lid on the single-payer movement, but his nemesis—bloggers and internet people—is what is boiling this pot.  If June 25th is really successful it will be because of the internet.

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By truedigger3, June 20, 2009 at 6:08 am Link to this comment

hippie4ever wrote:
“Why he chose “change” as his monikor is puzzling; a rather stunning use of irony perhaps? Or was it bait and switch?”
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Of course it was bait and switch and a very well planned and executed con job.
Many people, who saw through that con job, warned repeatedly to no avail. Everyone was looking to anybody but bush which is self defeating because they elected another Bush that is camouflaged by gifted feel good oratory, toothpaste smile and make-believe measures that have no real substance in them.
Hillary Clinton or John McCain, also would have rolled on the same tracks Bush was rolling on.
The only hope for REAL CHANGE lies in having a viable third party and not voting for the lesser of two of evils because it will be voting for the evil of the the two lessers as Obama is proving.

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By Shift, June 20, 2009 at 2:41 am Link to this comment

Change happens at the bottom, not the top.  Obama fears change and is wedded to the status quo.  The status quo is crumbling and rhetoric otherwise will not disguise it.  People feel it.  Hardship forces change at the bottom despite the polished rhetoric designed to mask it.  At the bottom it’s change or die, not much of a choice.  Increasingly people are being forced by reality to unplug from the fairy tale and plug in to a new more sustainable life.  The crucible of change is forced upon us, one by one as it eats it’s way up the economic ladder.  Extreme hardship changes attitudes and values quickly.  Soon the old system will be no more than an echo of the past.  The Obama rhetoric seems both silly and tragic to those of us currently in the crucible.  Those of us who make it out will forever be changed.

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By johannes, June 20, 2009 at 2:35 am Link to this comment

In this frame of thinking, we have to come to Kurt Vonneguts book ” a man without a country ” I think,
most of Mr. Vonneguts books give a good clear picture of the U.S., its a shame he is not anymore with us, I loved to hear what he would had to say over Obama.

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By hippie4ever, June 20, 2009 at 12:50 am Link to this comment

My dream is to live in a free society where everyone is treated fairly and equitably, and money doesn’t matter more than human life. Obama really was the wrong president for the wrong time. We thought he was so liberal because George was such a christian fascist sh*t. Anyone would have appeared liberal in comparison, but Obama’s a corporatist, a dull centrist, a timid moderate, a mild homophobe.

Why he chose “change” as his monikor is puzzling; a rather stunning use of irony perhaps? Or was it bait and switch?

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By christian96, June 19, 2009 at 11:41 pm Link to this comment

I HAVE A DREAM!  I dream President Obama would keep
his pre-election promise to pass legislation stipulating people making less than $50,000 a year
would not have to pay income tax on their social
security benefits.  I HAVE A DREAM!

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By michellelondon, June 19, 2009 at 11:41 pm Link to this comment

We are still in the reality distortion field of the election and of the ‘hope’ meme.  So criticism is not appreciated, although it’s totally appropriate.  Obama is not who I thought I was voting for.  He’s too corporate, too interested in banks while ignoring people.  Wait until more of his supporters realize this and wake up.  Until then, its viewed as disloyal to criticize him.  Unfortunately.  Time will tell the tale.
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By Fadel Abdallah, June 19, 2009 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

I think the fitting slogan of the day is not “daring to dream,” as the title of this piece indicates, but rather “surviving the nightmare.”

The US political-military-financial system structure has been screwed up for decades, and the nightmare we experience today is the natural result of decades of corruption, greed, selfishness and utter disregard for morality and ethics. The system is rotten at the core and patching will not do the trick!

Therefore, the only hope left is that we collectively, short of a civil war, must be ready to declare the old system dead and summon the courage bury the dead in its grave, hoping that from among the progeny of the dead there will arise one or few courageous visionaries and revolutionaries who will start us out on a new path. Meanwhile, our battle cry should be “daring to survive the nightmare!”

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By idarad, June 19, 2009 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment

RE Carolyn Kay :Congratulations for helping to defeat Hillbillary, as you call them. Hillary is one of the few members of the administration trying to push Obama toward doing what’s right by ordinary people.

I think we get it - you wanted republican candidate from Illinois Hillary Rodham -
In the end both Obama and Hillary ended up with jobs they are not able to understand.  Both seem to think war crimes, torture, wire tapping are all acceptable in the new world order of the bush-clinton-bush-obama/clinton error.

Don’t blame Sirota for Hillary’s failure, she was quite capable of that outcome without assistance

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By Paul_GA, June 19, 2009 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

Any change that DOES come, as I think Mencken once wrote, will come despite Washington, not because of Washington. Mordor-on-the-Potomac is the headquarters of the Status Quo. Real, genuine change will come like a thief in the night—taking everyone by surprise (not least the denizens of M-on-the-P).

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By johannes, June 19, 2009 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

So long as in the same country people make luckely 5$
an hour, and others go home with millions, and an President who gives all the money to the banks, and after that he speaks about controlling the banks by the super special famelies who run the Federal bank of America, who is only in the the name America American, the rest has nothing to do with the United States.

The American people must be, well I don’t want to say it, to believe all this talking, about future, I hope their is any for the Americans.

Salutation

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By Outraged, June 19, 2009 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

From Unitary Moonbat @ CommonDreams:

“I have to think that Huey Long’s vision couldn’t have been better summed up than by a campaign speech he himself gave in 1928, beneath the famed Evangeline Oak that had been immortalized by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow:”

“It is here under this oak where Evangeline waited for her lover, Gabriel, who never came. This oak is an immortal spot, made so by Longfellow’s poem, but Evangeline is not the only one who has waited here in disappointment.

Where are the schools that you have waited for your children to have, that have never come?

Where are the roads and the highways that you send your money to build, that are no nearer now than ever before?

Where are the institutions to care for the sick and disabled?

Evangeline wept bitter tears in her disappointment, but it lasted only through one lifetime. Your tears in this country, around this oak, have lasted for generations. Give me the chance to dry the eyes of those who still weep here.”

(moonbat:) “Huey Long believed that the Great Depression was rooted in the disparity between rich and poor, and he had the temerity to say so on the floor of the US Senate, a patrician forum if ever there was one. He had the nerve to point out that 85% of the nation’s wealth was held by only 5% of its people (though of course, that 5% was pretty well represented by his audience). Folks were shocked (shocked!) that he publicly said stuff like this….......”

(good article)
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t76681.html

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By felicity, June 19, 2009 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

Cathy - I can’t be specific but the three rags I read are The Atlantic, Harpers and The Nation so I suspect one of those was my source. 

If you’ve got a calcuator, 50 million of us don’t have health insurance so 250 million of us do and per year we’re paying out $7,026/person for health care. Raw figuring, I come up with slightly short of $2 trillion/year. (If you ‘locate’ my source, pass it on.)

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By Carolyn Kay, June 19, 2009 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment
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bogi666,

Congratulations for helping to defeat Hillbillary, as you call them. Hillary is one of the few members of the administration trying to push Obama toward doing what’s right by ordinary people.

Since I couldn’t vote for her in the general election, I voted for the real liberal, Cynthia McKinney.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

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By Cathy, June 19, 2009 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

Felicity, do you have an article or some source for that $2.1 trillion in 2006.  Not that this surprises me, but it would be fun to e-mail this knowledge to Baucaus, other skirmy Dems and the Republics—let them know that we’re just not that dumb. 

And I really urge everyone to write about single-payer on healthreform.gov in the Share Your Stories/Ideas section.  I wrote and strongly expressed the good points of single-payer.  Not surprisingly, it did not show up on the website in the comment section, but urge people write anyway.  So far they only have 7 comments on the page.  Interesting, isn’t it?

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By ardee, June 19, 2009 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

Cathy, June 19 at 9:02 am #

Just heard on NPR that slime Baucus talking in a story that emphasized the $1 trillion tag on “universal healthcare.”  Now, maybe I’m wrong about this?  Isn’t part of the reason why it would be $1 trillion dollars over 10 years is because private insurance is still front and center? 
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The price tag was just estimated to be 1.6 trillion, which sent Baucus scurrying back to his abacus…..
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Anarcissie, June 19 at 11:27 am

Change, radical change, comes from the margins and from below.  It isn’t a great leader you elect in the shadow of fictional myths about previous great leaders.  But I’m probably wasting my breath.
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You are certainly not wasting your breath oh pessimistic one, even when I disagree with you I enjoy your intellectual honesty and intelligence.

The point that looking for leaders to take us out of the wilderness is usually fruitless is a great one. When the people lead the leaders must follow.

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By Paul_GA, June 19, 2009 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

I have my dreams, too; mostly, I dream of a USA which has ceased to waste lives and treasure on useless, idiotic foreign wars and lives up to Thomas Jefferson’s formula of “peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.” And I have other dreams, too—I dream of the end of the American Empire and the restoration of the Republic. I dream of the demise of the Republicrats and the Demopublicans, and their replacement by several smaller parties that make and unmake coalition governments. I dream of having a real choice at the ballot booth. I dream of the demise of the military-industrial complex, and the reduction of the US armed forces to a mere home-defense force, not the wasteful juggernaut it is now.

OK, so I may never see any of these dreams fulfilled in my lifetime. But I CAN dream, can’t I?

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By felicity, June 19, 2009 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

One-hundred billion/year is so hohum when compared to the present $350 billion/year (private insurance bureaucracy and paperwork costs).  (Of course the great bulk of those costs are borne by us, the pauper class, and god-forbid the politicians should have to take tax-payer funds from their communal piggybank of goodies to pay out on our health-care - and yes, it is our money.)

We spent $2.1 trillion on health-care in 2006 making the $1 trillion over 10 years, another hohum. 

Obama must have access to these figures so why isn’t he throwing them out here. If for no other reason than to watch Congressmen squirm like the worms they are, he should make the ‘real’ costs of the present non-system public knowledge.

I get Sirota’s point on the difference between tweaking what’s around vs dumping it altogether. On the other hand, we’re not exactly inventing the ‘wheel’ since the rest of the industrialized world ‘invented’ single-payer years ago.

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By Cathy, June 19, 2009 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

By AmiBlue, June 19 at 11:38 am #

Notice they’re using the scaring *trillion* instead of $100bn/year, which is much less scary.

$100 billion a year—seems like a drop in the bucket when you consider the expenditures on Wall Street and the military industrial complex.  Then imagine how much less per year it would be if you put in single-payer.  Boggles the mind, doesn’t it?

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By bcc, June 19, 2009 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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I think of America as a corrupt corporatocracy that desperately needs campaign finance reform and anti-lobbyist legislation (2 of the least promoted reforms amongst politicians). This is the rotten foundation that should be addressed before healthcare reform. That is my premise. But why, given the proven cost reduction Single Payer offers, doesn’t lobbying by non-healthcare businesses counteract that of the healthcare industry? Since the non-healthcare businesses are bearing the cost burden associated with the current system they should logically favor single payer. But that born out in the legislative process. The only rationalization I can come up with is that CEO/management types view Single Payer as a liability to their personal wealth (taxes) since it would cover the poor, and that incentive dominates over the welfare of their business?

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By bogi666, June 19, 2009 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

Carolyn Kay, I sent 100’s of email’s opposing Hillbillary and I guess they worked. I didn’t vote for Obama though. I protest voted for Bob Barr although I’m not a libertarian, perhaps a liberal libertarian socialist. At least Barr ran to eliminate the Military Commissions and Patriot Acts for starters. I’m proud of my opposition to Hillbillary.

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By boggs, June 19, 2009 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

Mr. O needs to quit worrying about bipartisanship.
To hell with bipartisanship, give some of that change you ran on!!!!

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By AmiBlue, June 19, 2009 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

Notice they’re using the scaring *trillion* instead of $100bn/year, which is much less scary.

And as someone mentioned earlier, the reason their plan is so expensive is because they’re taking half-way measures.  Congress is a bunch of cowards who get their walking around money from big business, the insurance industry in this instance.

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By Anarcissie, June 19, 2009 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

ardee:
‘So Obama seeks to make the lives of the serfs better….without meddling in the royal prerogatives of the ruling class to steal as much as they desire.

”“I think within the institutional structures we have, we can significantly improve the life chances of ordinary Americans,” he said.”

The institutional structures we have are collapsing precisely because excessive greed and elitism rules every decision, because those decisions are made to maximize individual profit at the expense of everyone else.

For a man who makes such inspirational speeches, Barack Obama turns out to be one of limited vision, limited courage and of limited use to the American people.’

I think it’s been obvious throughout Obama’s career that he is a cautious, conservative established-order type who happens to be good-looking, hiply complected, and glib.  I suppose this is just as well given the submissiveness, passivity, and monarchicalism of the people he reigns over.  Change, radical change, comes from the margins and from below.  It isn’t a great leader you elect in the shadow of fictional myths about previous great leaders.  But I’m probably wasting my breath.

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By Carolyn Kay, June 19, 2009 at 7:42 am Link to this comment
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Editor,

Either stop publishing David Sirota, or publish the comments that question his judgment in vilifying Hillary Clinton last year, paving the way for Obama to be nominated.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

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By Jon, June 19, 2009 at 7:27 am Link to this comment
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David, We are still in the reality distortion field of the election and of the ‘hope’ meme.  So criticism is not appreciated, although it’s totally appropriate.  Obama is not who I thought I was voting for.  He’s too corporate, too interested in banks while ignoring people.  Wait until more of his supporters realize this and wake up.  Until then, its viewed as disloyal to criticize him.  Unfortunately.  Time will tell the tale.

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By thebeerdoctor, June 19, 2009 at 6:53 am Link to this comment

re: Cathy

Solutions are there, but “the dry cell of money has locked the minds and cauterized hearts” as Cecil Taylor once said. Why I am not surprised that President Obama is said to becoming an avid golfer?

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By Cathy, June 19, 2009 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

Just heard on NPR that slime Baucus talking in a story that emphasized the $1 trillion tag on “universal healthcare.”  Now, maybe I’m wrong about this?  Isn’t part of the reason why it would be $1 trillion dollars over 10 years is because private insurance is still front and center? 

Are our Congress-critters and our President this dumb or are they just playing us so that no matter what the status quo will remain? 

From everything that I have read about single-payer it sounds like the savings would be pretty darn amazing.  I do read the comments from Canadians on places like HuffPo and one poster said their families pays a total of $85 a month for their family.  I don’t know what an individual like me would pay but you know it’s got to be on par.  It sounds like their taxes are on a par with ours, yet they have single-payer. 

The problem is the status quo, the problem is the Congress-critters and the problem is that Obama is not LBJ.  Americans need to take a cue from the Iranians.  Americans need to be more like the French.

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By bogi666, June 19, 2009 at 5:34 am Link to this comment

ardee, Obama lacks leadership. For example, he wants bipartisanship on health care, while the GOP exclaimed position iS for health insurance, not health care for which the GOP’s official health care is “IS EAT SHIT AND DIE AMERICANS no heath care is better than any/all government options are the bogeyman socialized medicine”. Lack of Obama’s leadership is evident because their is no bipartisanship even possible which means Obama will cave in to the status quo of no health care. Morphing health care with health insurance is a stalking horse for the GOP.

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By Ivan hentschel, June 19, 2009 at 5:26 am Link to this comment
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Portions of this article suffer from “semantic shortcomings” and portions of it suffer from precisely the malady of small thinking which it decries.

Since the day after (I’m exaggerating) the completion of the Declaration of Independence, the United States has had precious few “new” or “big” ideas. The last time since then when we came close to a genuinely new idea was the New Deal, which was courageous in its attack on aging financial institutions and was finally made effective by the exigencies of world war.

I have long argued that those who say that our government is “too big”, the real problem is that the the government’s thinking is “too small”. And Mr. Sirota is correct about the Obama team: all they seem to do is tinker, revise and re-hash ideas that are both too old, like our 18th century banking traditions (Reagans’s trickle down theory was just an extension of that), the band-aid cures for failed economic expansionsism (spend billions on the US car industry)and half thought-through measures to close ideological barn door ideas after the financial horses have left the barn.

Semantically, and in terms of vision, Mr. Sirota misses (which he rarely does) the essentially point and suffers from small thinking himself. You cannot “re-invent” or “re-imagine” anything: it is already here. You might be able to “re-form”, “re-invigorate or “re-cast” something but you cannot invent “all over again” that which was already been invented. That, in and of itself, is small thinking. Beating old, tired, worn out and dead horses, even with new sticks, will not bring them back to life in any useful manner.

We need new ideas to adress new problems brought on by new technolgies and new methods and the requirements of modern human commerce. We need genuinely entrepenuerial (new business) approaches to our economic difficulties rather than recycled “enterprise”, which repeats, re-sells and re-markets the same things over and over. I.e., we need new transportation technologies, not the current TV campaign to sell people “new” extended used car mchanical waaranties on exisiting old cars.

Polticians use big words (re-dressed, re-decorated, re-pronouncements, to offer failed, out-moded and old, small solutions, utilizing catchy new spectacularized “revelations” which are not re-volutionary (we must “e-volve” not “re”-volve)because they do not have any new volition, any “new will”, to throw off the old ways of the establishment of because the old ways still control the check book (oil, coal, health insurance, big pharma, Wall St.) and hence control our legislators. 

No doubt, new thinking and new solutions will bring along new suffering and the pains of adaptation, and offering and/or predicting that future to Americans will not make you more money or get you “re”-elected, whic, under our “old” system, is the only “re” anything with which politicians really concern themselves.

If there is a “re” of anything we need it is a re-birth, not a make-over or a re-furbishment. We do not need neo or retro, which are counter-productive nostalgias, and if we do not begin big, new thinking soon, we will doom ourselves to being neanderthals.

Obama and his crew are pretty, re-assuring, well-drssed, eloquent and pseudo-intellectually sophisticated, but their small, old ideas are no more helpful than continuing to use slaves to pick cotton, because they are established procedures that, just like duct tape, will hold things together “for now”.

Nice try David, but you missed this one.

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By thebeerdoctor, June 19, 2009 at 5:25 am Link to this comment

This is what you get when you have a federal government being run entirely by non-creative professionals. People who have been guided by an instructional system that tells them to comply with the status quo; creativity, compassion, imagination must by necessity take a back seat to the supposedly all important, all pervasive, monetary concerns.
But perhaps it might be to our advantage to reflect on something Joe Bageant recently wrote, that “the few top lizards on the national rock of greed is not the history of the people.”
http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2009/06/worker-rights-no-balls-no-gains.html

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