Please, peace.

herewegoagain—what did you think of the Hearing?

Or are you just on a mission to disagree with me now?

Is health car the topic, or am I the topic?

herewegoagain—Is that all you care about? Profits for med. professionals? What is your profession, by the way? I didnt say I was averse to them making a living—i am averse the life or death being for-profit. That is what essential med services are.I think that they should be on a reasonable salary like med prof. in the EU or Canada or even Mayo Clinic or Cleveland Clinic. (they have private care too—thats ok, for the rich, if they want to buy it—you will alwaya be able to buy things in Capitalism—its not my choice, but for those that think they are better than everyone else…))No I dont think that people should go into medicine for profit. I think that it is immoral. It is obvious that many do in teh US, which is one reason we have so many specialists. The insurance industry has been setting health care policy in the uS for many years—you dont actually think that some dr determined that it takes 28 days to go off of drugs, do you? It was Blue Cross Blue Shield. It is that way with many treatments and it dosent make any sense.

As for you, you seem to shift positions, You are not against single payer, except for “10%”—-that helps no one.

I said that I am not “UNEMPLOYED”—it is different when you cannnot work becuse you have a disability than “being unemployed” ( and, in this economy, it takes a hell of a guy to insult the “unemployed”) I am not working, not becaue I choose not to, but, because i cannot risk losing my medicaid. I didnt say ‘children” I dont think that adults should die for a lack of money either.

NO, I dont hate all drs at all. I love some of the ones I used to work with. I have had some drs be very kind to me, but, many admitted that a certain type of care would be much better than what they had to do—-because it was Medicaid. Some just did the right thing anyway, but they risk their license. Really “doctor friendly”. But, go ahaead, shift Medicaid to all the unemployed now,tand 300% of poverty level—-the roles will swell and the middle class will get a taste of Mecicaid HMOs. Maybe then people will realize how crappy it is.

If you dont know if you are rich or dont know what uou are talking about. But, it ceraitnly seems to be personal for you. I mustve hit a nerve.

LIke I said, if you would like to join the civilized world, check out some of the links I gave you. I hope you never have to find out what it is like to not be able to get medical treatment when you need it.

I have answered every one of your questions several times. I said that they should be on salary, I said that there should not be a for-profit system.

herewegoagain—on a mission from gawd for “poor doctors”...do you think taht you know somethign that they dont??If you’ll give me a website, I’ll have some of then who are friends of mine write to you…but, you would just disagree with them.

This has become personal for you (not the ‘health care issue”—me—or so you think)—mustve hit a nerve.

Here is the live link to the Senate Comm on Heatlh, etc. with DODD leading.,..

is anyone is interted. Its nothing new, really.

http://help.senate.gov/Hearings/2009_06_11/2009_06_11.html

E. J. Dionne:
’...  Are you still wondering why the big interests, so far at least, are playing ball with congressional health reformers and the Obama administration? ...’

My theory is that they are beginning to run into hard price resistance.  There are 40 million uninsured people, and many may be uninsured by choice.  There are people who will die rather than pay doctors (anecdotes on request).  As the medical-care establishments continue to raise their prices, more people will be unable or refuse to pay them, just as the man said.

So what to do?  The government has something big insurance and pharmaceutical companies don’t have: guns.  The government can force people to pay more.  So the ideal thing, from the point of view of these people, is a system that uses government force to extract the money, more and more money, and then sends it to private parties to become profit.  This will be called a “mixed” system. 

So, what kind of system do you think we’ll get?

Cathy- I’m listening to him right now, on c-span.org. So far, samo/samo..

herewe goagain(boy, we sure do!!!)—if you had ever worked in the health care field you would NOT say that I am being “melodramatic”. I have seen young people die right in front of me because their medicaid wouldnt cover what they needed to survive, boy are you selfish!! PEOPLE ARE DYING, and you still just do not care.So, I should care about someone else’s profit and you dont care if I die?? Well, I dont think that that is going to happen! I WORKED IN THE FIELD! I SAW IT! Have you listened to California Nurses? Or Physicians for Natl Plan? What is your big concern for doctors, do you think that they are poor or soemthing? They make more here than they do anywhere else in the world. Pay nurses more and doctors less!

IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT DRS PAY THEM CASH! Go to some dr that only takes private patients and make him richer!! I dont care what you do since you dont care about others. YOu should never worry about not being able to buy what you wish in’Merka—you always will be able to, so never doubt your own greed will be able to buy you what you want. It is either a human right or it is not.

Gop ahead. Back a Massachusetts “public” plan.

You dont know my circumstances. I am not ‘unemployed” Yes, this is personal for me, but also professional. Unless youre very fortunate or very rich, it will be for you, too. The insurance companies profit from death. You’ll see someday. Just as many war protestors and single payer advocates had to “see” with Obama, too. Some will never see. Insulting me personally and then calling me a child, is a little ironic, no?
Just another cog in tthe wheel…

Well, NPR did it again this morning.  They announced Obama’s first Town Hall on healthcare reform in Wisconsin.  And, yes, I hope lots of people are there and give him an earful, although I think he’s going to dodge the toughest question: single-payer, and that should be entertaining viewing later.  He dodged the question of the Baucus conflict of interest beautifully in a Town Hall meeting, by speaking in generalties of all Americans deserve healthcare, blah, blah, blah, and never answered this question. 

So, anyway, NPR did not mention anything about the very, very important single-payer hearing yesterday. 

I haven’t clicked on the link here for the Robert Wood Johnson “facts on healthcare reform” on this site.  They’re a major, major supporter of NPR.  But I have had it.  It is time for me to write one of those listener complaints to NPR.

I just heard Jon Boner say that people would “be offended” by a “public plan” (which is not really what is being proposed anyway), and that although “86% are happy with US healthcare” (wtf did he get THAT number??), he opposes a “public” plan, as “no one wants it”. Well, then, why be worred? Everyone will keep what they have if theyre “happy with it”! The future of the Dem Party depends very much on what is done with heatlh care “reform” , and, I am afraid that the public plan being proposed will just be too expensive and the GOP will be able to say, “I told you so”

However, it would “endanger families choices”. And he keeps repeating, how, in the US, you are “less likley to die” (which is only true for those who are on Medicare , which is a PUBLIC plan)and he and McConnell keep using terrorist words like “die” “cancer”, and, what is this obsession with FAMILIES?! 51% of USAns dont live in what the GOP would consider to be “real families” aNYMORE anyway!

I am VERY offended that Boner and McvConnell dont care if 80,000 USAns DIE every year.

But, that is their rallying call, always, “WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!” (so vote GOP!)

Purple Girl—Of course the GOP is terrified of a REAL “free mkt”, or any type of level playing field.

They got where they are by being from welfare king subsidized families.

They want us to have the worst of both worlds. Socialism for them, “free mkt” Capitalism for us.

Sadly, it is not just GOP who feel that way. Why in the world are Blue Dogs pushing to pass another “Pay Go” right now??? And why , in the world, is Obama agreeing??

Rove wrote today 5 reasons we don’t need a public plan- all of course highlighting the Repug disconnect from the real challenges the average American faces constantly. But One struck me as the most teltale that Repugs are NOT Free marekt Proponents in any way shape of form.
According to Mr. Turd Blossom with 13,00 health insurance companies already, We have plenty, we don’t need another healthcare insurance option. 13,001 would be Too Many choices,Turd?Too many competitors in the FREE market?
Isn’t that as ludicrous (and UNAmerican) as saying we have too many voters participating in an election? Oh Yeah in Roves Book that does pose a problem, doesn’t it? Gottacha Repugs- You only consider the Free market the exclusive realm of Inc and Corps, those modern day Family Crests we call Logos. Seems, To the Repug Red Caots, access to the Free market for ‘The people’ is limited to only consumerism- not as a provider/competitor as their own collective entity.
I submit quite Adamently that ‘We the People’ have a Constitutional RIGHT to enter the Free Market as Provider of healthcare, not merely the ‘caged’ consumers of Private Industry.
Whats the matter Repugs Afraid of a Little market place competition???

herewegoagain—No, I cannot talk reasonably to people that allow people to die for profits. BTW, what 90% iof “whatever it is” is it that you “support”? I have worked in the medical field., I do not know if you have.

I gave you several links, and plenty of people here have supplied enough information.

If you wont trust people who have worked in the field on this,any plan will be doomed to failure.You cannot base human rights on proft models—-well, you can, and only the US does—look where it has gotten us.
Stop avoiding the issue like a good neo-liberal.

Here is my definition of a neo-liberal—
My definition is someone who supports the policies that the Dems are engineering right now—-billions of dollars to the World Banks (donations! of course—truly Trojan Horses)and so on to “promote democracy”. Neo-libs generally defend Dems to the core , but pretend that they are dissatisfied, but refuse to even vote for anyone but a Dem (Vichy Dems, I like to call thme).(they say things like “what else can we do” or ‘Bush was worse”) They are generally fairly comfortable, economically, which is why they dont really give a rat’s behind about anyone else, until they get sick or something happens to them. They are usually fairly well-educated, but, generally went to an instutution that convinced then that they should be the Masters of the Universe. They believe strongly in “uniquely ‘Merkin” types of “solutions” and refuse to learn from other countries’ experiences, in war or domestic policies, like Baucus’ “go west young man” crap.

Neoliberalism is not just economics: it is a social and moral philopsphy, wholey different from Classical Liberalism. Neo-libs emphasize profit and the “market”. They feel sttongly that they have a “right” to “property”, of almost any kind, including “products” that do not exist; and believe in the self made man, which they almost always think that they are. They think that things like finanaical services (which dont exist) or health care are “services” which should be bartered for, no matter how ill-fit one is to do so. They believe in competition, which means that they believe in Social Darwinism, but they will never say so (there are many paradoxes of neo-liberals). They worship entrepreneurship (“small businessperson!!”)and many think that this is what god wants. They believe that, when people get rich, they must have “deserved it”, except in “one case a million” like Madoff…they love greed, but, pretend that they dont.

Here is a definition by Elizabeth Martinzea aND Arnoldo Garcia: “Neoliberlaim is a philsophy in which the exitence and opertion of a mkt are valued in themselves, separately from any previous relationship with the production of goods and services, and without any attempt to justify them in terms of their effect on the production of goods and services; and where opertation of a mkt or a mkt-like structure is seen as an end in itself, capable of acting as a guide for all human action and substituting for all previously existing ethical beliefs.”

If you would extend the “mkt” to life or death, you are a neoliberal..

The reasons I am so adverse to neo-liberalism, is that, at least neo-cons tell you to your face that they dont care. Neo-libs run around patting themselves on the back , “feeling your pain” and doing the same things, essentially, that neo-cons do. At least be honest about it!
Either that, or you have no experience with illness, the medical profession, and dont know what you are talking about. If so, read up!
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/june/the_facts_about_the_.php

Posted on June 9, 2009
The Facts About the Health Insurance Industry

by Jeoffry B. Gordon, MD, MPH
DailyKos
Sun Jun 07, 2009

There was also a hearing ie single payer today, on c-span3.org. Join us in pushing the US towards civilization!

I suppose Dionne has a sad point regarding big medicine forced to take a seat at the table. Naturally, the reason is founded in the irrationalism that values profits/property over people, who’d be human life forms complete with earthly bodies often requiring some minimal maintenance so as actually to live more or less complete lives prior to being removed to heaven or hell, as the case might be. Or just to dust, or ashes, in my own case. Leave it to humans to conceive of something so nutty as occupying—STILL!—a little piece of the earth after death. From the confines of more or less fancy box. Lest nature occupy a body in process of taking back what never is ever not Mother Nature’s property).

“Sad” BECAUSE profiteers are being allowed a seat at the “table” at all! I’m surprised the form of the table itself isn’t being disputed, as was the one over which Kissinger finally got to talking with Le Duc Tho. So bent is Obama on accommodation. (And not even allusion to “appeasement”—a la Chamberlain—on the part of the [now] loony-Jon-Voight right-wing, Senator Hatch. Where are anti-appeasers when you really need them?)

Well, long as the big medicine makes out okay. Since rather obviously, that’s what most counts. What with not being able to “start[ing] from scratch.” (I heard lately that Taiwan, which has been around long enough also not to have started quite “from scratch” went looking for a model for their own national healthcare system, only to find it in our very own Medicare arrangement. Who knew?)

Goes without saying that we once again intend on trying to have it both ways. Public AND private. Which will mean having it neither way. Anyway, we’ve already got that. Had the public part a long time in the form of Medicaid.

What “reform”? What is Obama talking about?

Well, as Dionne points out, some about controlling costs. Duh. (Even Nixon imposed price controls. Alas, also wage controls at the same time, but… Obama is to the right of Nixon, as are most members of Congress. Any who still doubts the—ideological anyway—damage Ronald Reagan did should look again. He did earthly economic damage too. Unless you were wealthy.)

All I’ve heard from Obama is idea to computerize medical records, thereby rendering them available to any half-way competent hacker. Not that many of us seem much concerned for privacy anymore. My own dental records are already in computer databases, available to be viewed by any with a tooth fetish. And/or with money fetish. (Billing stuff is also computerized.)

Otherwise, I know of no serious proposal, either to provide adequate coverage for all or seriously to cut costs. As big medicine is striving to hold to gains made over many, many decades. Profit margins might drop one or two percentage points, but not more.

Apparently, all rational people will have to wait (hope for) another “leftist” president with another “leftist” majority of Congress to provide what is well known elsewhere to be a fundamental human right. And even for what—in capitalist price-gouging terms— would be some considerable financial savings.

As we Americans continue to dream (individually of “freedom” to be had at a money price), other citizenries around the world have already got done providing for human bodies consisting of bone (including enamel), flesh and blood. And for minds too (speaking of preference for irrationalism, which has always served to excuse what power does).

Not really so complicated soon as one dispenses with irrational both-ways (aka, “American way of doing things”) thinking. There would, of course, be cost for single-payer healthcare, though not nearly so high as the one we’re currently paying.

herewegoagain—If they were “helping people in need” we wouldnt have at least 50- million uncovered.So you are anti-HMO but pro-“health care” industry? I dont get it…who runs HMOs?

You ignore the facts. But, keep it up. Obama counts on people like you.

People are dying in the streets, and, still all you guys can do is argue about doctors salaries. Have you ever been treated under single payer? Why does the entire civilized world agree with me? They are all wrong and you and Obama are right?

What bs. You guys that back these lame plans keep people dying and you should be ashamed.

There is NOTHING that will convince most who have lived under a single payer plan that it does not make sense. It just does. You are wrong.

And, when the Baucus Massachusetts plan costs way too much, and covers far too few, and the GOP saysd, “I told you so”, you may FINALLY come to the table wanting single payer.

20,000 or more will die per year whie they wait for you. But who cares, huh?

I do not care if doctors make less money.I care if people die.

Medical school should not cost so much. US doctors are too often in it for the money. Most people know that, even if they wont say it. Particularly specialists. ..Poor doctors—we have too many specialists as it is.

The ones at PNHP are not,and , the doctors in the EU make middle class incomes. If you cant be happy with that and you have no conscience, be a Hedge Fund manager or be a lobbyist. Unless you already are…

These countires pay about 1/10th what the uS does for pharmaceutical and med supplies. Only the US is stupid enough to pay top dollar.But, as long as people are stupid enough to trust it, hey, I guess making money off of death is the “Merkin way…what sites do you go to that someone calls you a “pinko”?? I’ll vouch for you! Youre a neo-liberal, which, in my mind recently, mean that you do the same things as neo-concservatives, you just smile and look pretty while you do it. Oh, and you “feel their pain”.

herewegoagain—NO, I do not believe that people should profit from others’ misery. as hippi4ever indicates, (she was treated in France)I was treated in Denmark, Noraway and Italy (also Canada) the doctors lived just fine, a little better than middle class. They just cant believe US greed—like when you try to pay them cash!

If you want to make alot of money on someone’s sickness, go be a personal doctor to Cheney or seomthing.

90% on board—so what 10% would you exclude? Elderly? Disabled” Kids? The poor? thats the answer! The poor, as always in Capitalism.
90%—you Democrats are so non-commital you cant even support what you support!

I was a Medical Social Worker (cant work now—have to keep my Medicaid after getting hit by a rich drunk with a good lawyer) and, no I never even made a middle class salary, but, I wouldve been ok, if they hadnt taken my govt peneion to pay for my medical care. NO, no one should profit as a social worker, at the expense of clients. I like to think I saved a few lives. I couldnt have done it without doctors (who were more interested in patients than profits) and they wouldnt have found them without me. They have undying respect of true professionals and clients, and they helped alot of people. But, no they didnt make a monstrous profit. You do know that doctors and nurses , for the most part, back this 100%, not 90%...

With all this emphasis on profits, I can see why you wouldnt understand..but you are wrong—-The World Health Org, the UN, the EU and everyone else in the civlized world says so.

Read how California may balance its budget on the back of poor children. Shame on both parties. They have blood on their hands as surely as the war profiteers—-20,000 a year—I guess you can live with that.I cant.

Here is why focusing on doctors pay is the wrong approach:
Posted on April 14, 2009
Focusing on doctor pay misses point

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/april/focusing_on_doctor_p.php

Instead of fixing our health care financing system so that it provides everyone with affordable access to all necessary care, which we can easily do (improved Medicare for all), our leaders want to build on our uniquely American system. Surely other states can help with our budget problems by finding more children to join the ranks of the million uninsured California kids. That would be uniquely American. (I still can’t believe that they’ll go through with this, but the mere fact that it is under discussion shows how sick our health care financing system is.)

California Nurses Association:

For Immediate Release
June 9, 2009

RN Leader to Testify at Congressional Hearing Wednesday on Single-Payer Healthcare Reform
A co-president of the nation’s largest organization of registered nurses will testify Wednesday in the first official public hearing in Congress on single-payer healthcare reform.

Geri Jenkins, RN, co-president of the 86,000-member California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee, and a practicing RN at the University of California San Diego Medical Center, is expected to describe how the nation’s healthcare meltdown is a “patient care crisis” and how single-payer reform best meets the goals identified by President Obama for reform of the broken system.

Its tomorrow on c-span.org and 10:30 AM.Watch it and maybe you’ll learn something….

When I lived in France my doctor lived in a 3-bedroom flat which served also as his office. He lived a comfortable, middle-class life, had a nice car, traveled widely on vacation (4 weeks). This was under a single-payer system and the doctor was not suffering.

The drivel so many commit to amazes me. People pontificate about things they know nothing about, even here. Oh well, I think eventually, by dire necessity, the U.S. will finally be forced to join the civilized world in having universal coverage single-payer. And I bet it will be the multinationals who pull it off.

The sad thing is just how ignorant Obama is. How can you even talk about keeping costs down when you support a for-profit system? Hey stupid man, that’s where the “profit” goes, into salaries and payoffs. Without waste there IS NO profit for them. How can you not get this?

And furthermore, ignorant man, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE TO A PRIVATE FOR-PROFIT COMPANY, HEALTH INSURER OR OTHERWISE, TO GIVE UP ITS PROFITS. It’s AGAINST THE LAW. IT MAY BE A LESS THAN DESIRABLE LAW, BUT IT IS THE LAW. Boy, are you dumb. This is why you are getting into trouble with the GM and Chrysler bailouts. You either accept big, for-profit business or you don’t. You can’t control them unless you take them over. No court will support this, and they will NEVER “reform” willingly. And this has NOTHING to do with health care providers making salaries, large or small.

Obama, you really need to fail on this. You will be denied a victory because you are a fake, supporting fake reforms. Fake, Fake, Fake. Whatever you do will fail eventually anyway because you are a failure. You have hurt your supporters in the worst way possible.

And, sure, some people may want to keep their private health insurance, especially if their employer is paying. They want to drive SUV’s also, and use too much plastic. But how much better would it be to create ANOTHER JOB? That’s about what the insurance plan costs the company, another salary. THATS ANOTHER THING THIS DUMASS POTUS DOESN’T CARE ABOUT, OR UNDERSTAND. JOBS.

And if you, Obama, think you are going to dump more requirements on struggling businesses or private individuals, then you really deserve the HEAP OF SHAME that is coming your way. You are TRULY a failure, in every way.

By the way, how’s that stimulus coming? And the mortgage help? You stink you utter failure. People are suffering.

herewegoagain (thats for sure)—To argue over whether you “think they should make a profit” with the kind of money US health industry is making is a little ridiculous—other countries laugh at what out doctors make. We subsidize chosen diseases and products and have the worst outcomes in the so-called free world.

I think that they should be on salary like doctors or nurses Denmark or the uK. Or, like professors here.You are clearly a free mkt Capitalist, so we will always disagree.

I am sick of “the people” being blamed for the “
health industry” being immoral. This is not “another service” like selling clothes!!It is NOT the fault of the people when they get sick (mosts of the time) and if you think that they should be able to take advantage of that, you must love privitized war…the poor suffer the most, and, I guess that that is ok with you.

Why dont they find a way to make money without making people suffer? If a doctor goes into the practice of medicine, mainly for profit I dont think he should be there anyway.

We have the highest infant mortality rate and shortest lifepspan of any country in the civilized world—so much for their “lifesaving treatments”. There are people on this site who have worked in the pharmaceutical idustry who can attest to the fact that the drugs a manufactured for PROFIT!
The pharmaceutical industry in the US is the second most profitable industry on the planet, behing oil.

Please, someone tell me how they are going to institute any decent “reform” when Obama just backed Blue Dogs on Pay as you go—not for the war, of course.

There should be no competition when it comes to life and death—if someone cannot morally understand that, ther;‘s nothing to say.

I’ve been trying hard to find the significance of this article but I haven’t succeeded.  Yes, we know there’s a huge health care crisis and that the ones invited to discuss reform are the same people who created that crisis: politicians and self-interest groups.  Supporters of a single payer system, a legitimate option widespread around the world, have been excluded from these talks.  If you believe at all in democracy, that should be the most significant point on this whole subject. But Dionne hasn’t mentioned it.  Please, spare us “business as usual” reporting.

How about a plan like the ones in Congress have or take away their plan and give them the same plan most citizens in the good old USA have!

“So by all means let’s welcome the drug and insurance companies to the health care bargaining table. “

WHY??!! Theyre the ones who got us where we are! Even the Unions first backed natl care.

I’ve seen the Kennedy’s “plan” which is the Romney plan, which is not working. A “public plan” will just become Medicaid on steroids.

C. Curtis Dillon—“Health care should never be about the profit motive.  It is fine to let the insurance companies and big pharma sit at the table..”

Why is it “fine”?? Because USAns have been brought to believe that they have to allow it—if you dont want a “profit motive” you have to take out the for-profit corporations. They will take whatever you let them—including your life. In light of this fact, WHY would you want them involved , in any way, in life or death decisions of people at their most helpless??

herewe goagain—“I’m ok with letting the pharmaceuticals joining us,...”

WHY?! Every USAns needs to think very hard about WHY they think that people who make profit from your illnesss and death should be included in the practice of medicine at all…or maybe you guys need to travel. Maybe you need to read up on it—or maybe the middle class just has to suffer some more at the hands of indutry…

USAns are being killed and abused and “reform” of the “industry” is NOT the “answer”...the entire world knows it—-why dont you??

Health care costs don’t need to be contained , they need to be cut . Every other major country and many not so major manage to supply excellent health care to all their citizens for half what we do . We pay twice what the next most expensive country pays and don’t insure everybody . We are also the only country that has people going bankrupt because of illness , the major cause of financial duress in our country . As far as the inane argument about ” government run health care “; I for one would much rather have the government in control than some greedy , callous , overpaid CEO that considers it to his advantage to supply as little care as possible while charging as much as possible . At least if the government is involved it is in the their interest to keep those who vote them in happy instead of shareholders . So , slow cost growth , no , slash costs and bring us into line with the rest of the world . If we simply have to have insurance company’s in the mix make them go nonprofit , again like the rest of the world . We are the only country that allows profit in health care . But as long as some of that profit is allowed to be put in the pockets of politicians it’s going to be an up hill battle .

Yes, the insurance companies are fighting for their lives, how ironic that they don’t fight for the lives of those that look to them for medical care.

And has Paul Krugman said the other day, don’t trust them, don’t trust them, don’t trust them.

They will do anything to sabotabe single payer, and that includes spending billions on lobbying congress against it.

Their solution to everything is always to increase their marketing, and coroporate propaganda, it’s much cheaper than actually doing something different than ripping people off.

What is broken about the “health care” system is that is isn’t health care.  It is disease care and management. The sicker the customers are, the more money the system makes.  And they like it this way. They aren’t looking to make people healthy, far from it. Their problem is that there aren’t enough people paying for their overpriced, crappy, service. So now we talk “Socialized” medicine.

We can’t let people lobbying for Pizza Hut and Pepsi get their junk food into the schools and say we care one bit about the health of this country.  As it stands now, I prefer to make my own decisions. 

Change the incentives - not the method of payment.