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Posted on Jun 4, 2009
White House / Pete Souza

President Barack Obama

Editor’s Note: Observers in the Muslim world and beyond are still digesting and debating the president’s landmark Cairo speech. Below is a full transcript, by way of the White House.

Thank you very much.  Good afternoon.  I am honored to be in the timeless city of Cairo, and to be hosted by two remarkable institutions.  For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning; and for over a century, Cairo University has been a source of Egypt’s advancement.  And together, you represent the harmony between tradition and progress.  I’m grateful for your hospitality, and the hospitality of the people of Egypt.  And I’m also proud to carry with me the goodwill of the American people, and a greeting of peace from Muslim communities in my country:  Assalaamu alaykum.  (Applause.)

We meet at a time of great tension between the United States and Muslims around the world—tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate.  The relationship between Islam and the West includes centuries of coexistence and cooperation, but also conflict and religious wars.  More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a Cold War in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations.  Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the West as hostile to the traditions of Islam.

Violent extremists have exploited these tensions in a small but potent minority of Muslims.  The attacks of September 11, 2001 and the continued efforts of these extremists to engage in violence against civilians has led some in my country to view Islam as inevitably hostile not only to America and Western countries, but also to human rights.  All this has bred more fear and more mistrust.

So long as our relationship is defined by our differences, we will empower those who sow hatred rather than peace, those who promote conflict rather than the cooperation that can help all of our people achieve justice and prosperity.  And this cycle of suspicion and discord must end.

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I’ve come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, one based on mutual interest and mutual respect, and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition.  Instead, they overlap, and share common principles—principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

I do so recognizing that change cannot happen overnight.  I know there’s been a lot of publicity about this speech, but no single speech can eradicate years of mistrust, nor can I answer in the time that I have this afternoon all the complex questions that brought us to this point.  But I am convinced that in order to move forward, we must say openly to each other the things we hold in our hearts and that too often are said only behind closed doors.  There must be a sustained effort to listen to each other; to learn from each other; to respect one another; and to seek common ground.  As the Holy Koran tells us, “Be conscious of God and speak always the truth.”  (Applause.)  That is what I will try to do today—to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart.

Now part of this conviction is rooted in my own experience. I’m a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims.  As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the fall of dusk.  As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.

As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.  It was Islam—at places like Al-Azhar—that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment.  It was innovation in Muslim communities—(applause)—it was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed.  Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation.  And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.  (Applause.)

I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story.  The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco.  In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President, John Adams, wrote, “The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims.”  And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States.  They have fought in our wars, they have served in our government, they have stood for civil rights, they have started businesses, they have taught at our universities, they’ve excelled in our sports arenas, they’ve won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch.  And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our Founding Fathers—Thomas Jefferson—kept in his personal library.  (Applause.)

So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed.  That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t.  And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear. (Applause.)

But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America.  (Applause.)  Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire.  The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known.  We were born out of revolution against an empire.  We were founded upon the ideal that all are created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give meaning to those words—within our borders, and around the world.  We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept:  E pluribus unum—“Out of many, one.” 

 


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By Stacy T, July 28, 2010 at 5:22 am Link to this comment
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Well.. it’s a big deal. The US is a christian country. Islam comes not on its on but on the expenses of others.
Supporting Islam in the name of multi-calturalizm is supporting all values.. which basically suggest you have no values.

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By Sepharad, June 18, 2009 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

Frank Goodman, in theory you’re correct; but in the real world it doesn’t work like that and probably never will.

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., June 17, 2009 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

RE: Sepharad, June 17 at 3:31 am #

“Frank Goodman, I’m OK with the ultimate big melting pot—our family actually is a microcosm of one, Jew, Muslim, Catholic, French, Dutch, Chinese, Romanian, German, Cherokee, Algerian—but until the milennium, I think the Jews need to hang on to that tiny piece of their ancestral home with a Jewish majority but full civil rights for all citizens, and a Palestinian state next door complete with an army and police to defend it from enemies without and within. (Germany’s Jews were assimilated for 400 years.)”

There is no half-way mark on human rights. Separate but equal does not cut it. Kindness to old black ladies is not enough. God’s chosen people is passe. Hitler pleaded the Aryan theme in his final solution. Europe pleaded the ‘White man’s burden’ for centuries.

The solution is not separate but equal states in Palestine, but one state for all people there no matter how they came with equal rights and justice for all. America tried separation of Indians, former slaves, women, gays, children, Polish, Irish, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Asians, mixed breeds, mulattoes, quadroons, baboons, blind, deaf, and dumb. It did not work that way. Human rights are indivisible and insufferable. They are not subject to voting preference or any marks of distinction. They belong to the weakest and the strongest, equally. We could not send the black people back to Africa, give America back to the Indians, deed the land to white, Anglo-Saxon, Christian, English Europeans, or leave Alaska to Eskimos, and Hawaii to the Polynesians. Humans are one people politically. We can retain our identities without surrendering our human rights as demonstrated by our political and civil rights.

Palestine is ‘holy’ to a number of people with religious slants. All can live peacefully in that Holy Land. I do not claim that God granted me the right to own my land in Florida, but I do believe that I have that right. The claims by the aboriginal people to this land is respected in our history and culture. My rights derive from laws of the United States of America. Any Seminole Indian can come and make me an offer to purchase my home property. If the price is right, I can sell it to him/her. I can sell it to a Jew, Muslim, African, or Asian. The right is mine by law and by custom. It is a human right won in past conquests no longer justified.

How many more innocent Palestinian children must die for the right of Jews to live on stolen land? How many more Jews must die for the right of Palestinians to their ancestral lands. Abraham did not find a land without people when he migrated to what is now called Palestine. He fought with the natives he found there. Muslim Palestinians, Christian Palestinians, and Jewish Palestinians can live peacefully side by side under the same laws and with the same human rights on the same street and neighborhoods. It works in Florida. Why not Palestine-Israel?

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By Sepharad, June 17, 2009 at 12:31 am Link to this comment

Frank Goodman, I’m OK with the ultimate big melting pot—our family actually is a microcosm of one, Jew, Muslim, Catholic, French, Dutch, Chinese, Romanian, German, Cherokee, Algerian—but until the milennium, I think the Jews need to hang on to that tiny piece of their ancestral home with a Jewish majority but full civil rights for all citizens, and a Palestinian state next door complete with an army and police to defend it from enemies without and within. (Germany’s Jews were assimilated for 400 years.)

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By tahitifp, June 15, 2009 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

Good post, Frank.

That’s what the latest scuff-up, DOMA, is all about.  Human rights.  If I were gay and a dem, I would un-enroll and join the Indies.

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., June 15, 2009 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

All anecdotal accounts of human rights violations against Jews, American Indians, blacks, etc., are or one issue. That is human rights. It is not about Jews having a state that caters to Jews, Indians with choice land, blacks with affirmative action in the job market.

That is where we get the ethnic, racial, religious and education mixed into the issue.

Is it right to drive one people from their land to make way for another to establish a state preferential to Jews,or any other religion or ethnic group (vis a vis Tibet)?  I say no. Palestinians were driven from their land culminating in the Zionist state on the land of the Palestinian people. They were never compensated, or even acknowledged by Jews to be the rightful owners of that property within the former Ottoman Empire and later British mandatory territory. That is one of the major issues today that prevents a Palestinian state. If Israel would compensate those who lost land, allow any Palestinian to return and purchase suitable land in Israel as rightful citizens of that land with equal rights and justice before the laws, voting with equality in elections, etc., peace would come. Prejudice would not go away any time soon given the nature of Jewish religion and Islam, both claiming the legacy of the Abrahamic faith. Christians also embrace that legacy.

The claim by Zionists that God himself gave the Jews that land for their own exclusive occupancy, is non-sense in this day of enlightened religious development. A Jew can be a Jew anywhere on Earth or even in a space capsule en route to Mars. So can a Muslim, a Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, or God only knows what other claim to fame. It is human rights, not the religion that makes the case. The Holocaust was against Jews, homosexuals, and many others to an estimated 12,000,0000 souls. Perhaps that is a bit high given the physical limitations of killing about 5,000 people per day for 7 years and disposing of the bodies. That assumes 7 days a week and comes out to about 200 per hour, night and day. But, even if true at a lower level, it is horrific. So it is the human rights issue, not the Jewish religion.

There is not room on the planet for every religion, ethnic, racial, or political slant to have a state of their own. We need a melting pot of the whole planet,not just north America. We need justice and human rights everywhere humans are found in the universe. And if there be other intelligent beings on other planets, let there be rights for them as well. It is our intellect that tells us that, not our sentimental embrace of one religion or group. We can have human rights with freedom of movement everywhere.

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By Sepharad, June 15, 2009 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

Fadel and Patrick Henry, I’m glad we have some common ground somewhere. That post is the foundation for my politics and activities. The premise, though, is also why I’m a Zionist (meaning one who thinks there must be a Jewish homeland, just as there must be a Palestinian homeland), why I want there to be two successful, prosperous and two peacable states side by side, why I’ve always been interested in civil rights, freedom of information and history. If it were up to me, for example, I’d be glad if our government gave much of America’s land back to the Native American Indians—or at the very least, give them more land and more valuable land than they have on those pitiful, impossible reservations.

The other thing about the Holocaust that bothers me is that it was a tragedy for many people, not just the Jews. The Russians lost 20 million soldiers and citizens (an unknown number of them Jews but also Catholics and atheists), the gypsys were targeted, the homosexuals, the Communists, any political dissident or resistance fighter, any political enemy of the state and God only knows how many others, uncounted and unidentified). And Stalin, after the war, murdered even more people than Hitler did.

Jews make such a big deal about it because there are so few of them. Hitler literally killed roughly 1/3 of the world’s Jews. We’ve come back population-wise, six million in the U.S., five million in Israel, and another six or seven million scattered throughout Europe, Asia, and Mexico, South and Central America. Israel’s raison d’etre is “Never Again.”

My grandfather (whose family came to Palestine in 1828, when there weren’t as many Jews trying to farm as there were in Jerusalem, which always had a large Jewish population after the Romans finally left) encouraged us to assimilate in America because it was so big and safe, but my grandmother pointed out to him that her family had been assimilated for more than 400 years in Germany when it suddenly went crazy. Many Jews are loyal citizens of many countries, but most of them—based on those I’ve met—deeply distrust their government, that it will not turn on them in difficult times, so they support Israel.

I was horrified when Livni was unable to form a government and Netanyahu, who’d not won the election, got control of the government. And my family there, and I from here, are doing everything we can to at least mitigate the damage and support those things we think should be supported. Movement toward a second state, insisting that a Palestinian state MUST have an army, police and an airport to conduct business and protect themselves from enemies inside and out. Or what’s the point? Israel can’t live well and safely if Palestine does not. We both have our extremists to deal with, but we also have much in common and much at stake.

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By Fadel Abdallah, June 14, 2009 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

By Sepharad, June 14 at 3:32 am #

“Fadel—I’m not a fan of Holocaust memorials, but perhaps for different reasons than you. To me, the Holocaust was a shameful thing because we Jews LET it happen without much initial resistance.”
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Sepharad, I have to concur with PatrickHenry, June 14 at 9:58 am #, that “this is the best post by you that I ever read.”

Thoughtful, well-reasoned and supremely objective, this is the kind of thought and attitude that is capable of changing traditional enemies into cooperating friends. I hope and pray that you will continue to have this enlightened approach and that I become convinced that you’re a friend that can be trusted to work with for the cause of peace and justice.

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By PatrickHenry, June 14, 2009 at 6:58 am Link to this comment

By Sepharad, June 14 at 7:32 am #

One of the best posts by you that I ever read.

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By Sepharad, June 14, 2009 at 12:32 am Link to this comment

Fadel—I’m not a fan of Holocaust memorials, but perhaps for different reasons than you. To me, the Holocaust was a shameful thing because we Jews LET it happen without much initial resistance. It is also painful to be reminded that countries outside of Europe refused to admit Jewish refugees, who were then trapped in Europe and ended up in the killing camps. I think it’s dangerous to be stuck with the label of Vulnerable Victim: Easy Prey. At least the Warsaw Ghetto people had their uprising, and some of them did survive—most went to Israel. My family kept us children in ignorance of the Holocaust. I didn’t know anything about it until I got to college and found it hard to believe, then became intensely interested in the subject. The only memorial I ever intend to visit is Buchenwald, where all of my grandmother’s family were killed. They were all doctors—the women as well as the men—and lived in Dresden, which was fire-bombed by the allies out of existence.

This is why I understand the reason for the existence of Palestinian militants. I truly do hope for the second state, a Palestinian state, to come into existence. The process has been set back by the election of Netanyahu, but it can’t die or there never will be a peace.

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By tahitifp, June 13, 2009 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

Bo, I just read your post which I somehow missed until now.

For me it isn’t THIS speech. My distrust started with his very first speech during the “horse race.”  It’s almost as if he put a spell on people, saying we’d increase troops in Afghanistan…and then people screaming and adoring and saying “Yes, We Can.”  (we can certainly kill more people as long as we can bask in your glow)  He said outrageous things ragarding our foreign policy and yet people voted for him.  So yes, he’s fulfilling that particular campaign promise, along with that “look forward” excuse he loves to use.

Just my opinion.

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By tahitifp, June 13, 2009 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment

Has there ever been a discussion here about Rahm and why Obama chose him?

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By Folktruther, June 13, 2009 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

that harassment of prof Williams at Santa Barbara is another indication that Zionism is strongly into attacking progressive Jews.  There is this McCarthyite Zionist Horriwitz who goes around istigating Jewish students against their professors, some of whom are Jewish.  Like Williams.

My daughter was admitted to Santa Barbara and we were there about the time this was happening.  Really a right wing place. I happened to know a provost of Santa Cruz who apparently I never insulted too badly, and he kindly spent an hour persuading my daughter to go there.

Now she’s a Slug, and we’re proud.  the mascot of Santa Cruz is the banana slug and the cry of Go, Slugs! resounds at every athletic contest.  Presumaably.  I’ve never been to one and probably never will.l But I like their spirit.  when the administration object to their choice of a mascot, and got a scupture of lion seals as an alternative, they got together one night and painted them yellow and put little feelers on their heads.  My kind of people.

Holding TDers responsible for randomly shooting people in Museums, as Inherit and Sepharad are doing, is the standard Zioist truth and rationality.  Aong with their defense of Israeli racism.  We had an Israeli kid who live with us for a year, his family being from Yemen, and he used to tell us of the discrimination against darker skinned Jews by Europen Jews. 

Now Isaeal has degenerated to the point of discriminating against European Jews as well as it goes down the toilet of history, and the Zionist narrative has gotton so corrupt it holds anti-Zionism responsible for racist murder. And it will get worse as Israel continues its present decline into ever more bloodthirsty violence.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 11, 2009 at 9:20 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, June 11 at 6:41 pm #

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Do you know of Thumands hot dogs in N.J.?  One of my N.J. moron friends brought some back from there.  They were memorable or I was really hungry.
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It’s Thumann’s. 

If they didn’t refrigerate them, then your NJ friends WERE morons.  If you then ate them, what’s that make you?

If they DID refrigerate them, then they aren’t morons, are they? (but I’ll bet they’re tolerant!  We get a lot of THAT in NJ.)

Here in NJ one thing you get is good eats—sometimes better than NYC, at least for the simple cheaper stuff. Until you’ve eaten pizza or bagels from my favorite places you haven’t tasted good pizza or bagels.  I gotta be REALLY hungry to eat Domino’s—famished.  And even if I was dying of hunger I’d hesitate before eating Pizza-the-Hut’s hot garbage.

You can get good Texas barbecue around here if you hunt but you can’t get good North Carolina barbecue here—you gotta go to NC for that.

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By PatrickHenry, June 11, 2009 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, June 11 at 10:33 pm #

Do you know of Thumands hot dogs in N.J.?  One of my N.J. moron friends brought some back from there.  They were memorable or I was really hungry.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 11, 2009 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, June 11 at 5:17 pm #

By Inherit The Wind, June 11 at 12:17 pm #

“I have never argued and never will that legitimate criticism of the Israeli government is either invalid or anti-Semitic.”

This is untrue, mere mention of Israel in a critical manner invites a ritual rant from you. Any member who has posted here for any length of time knows it.

You lie unconvincingly.

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You are right about one thing (what a change!): I’m a bad liar.  Therefore I avoid doing it at all costs.

“Patrick Henry is a great guy and should get the next Nobel Peace Prize”....See? Lying just doesn’t work for me.

I’ve offered and accepted MANY valid criticisms of Israel, including the criminally idiotic war in Lebanon in 2006.

It’s just convenient for folks like to you to PRETEND I don’t and then claim I’m lying when I say so.

Same shit, different day.

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By PatrickHenry, June 11, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, June 11 at 12:17 pm #

“I have never argued and never will that legitimate criticism of the Israeli government is either invalid or anti-Semitic.”

This is untrue, mere mention of Israel in a critical manner invites a ritual rant from you. Any member who has posted here for any length of time knows it.

You lie unconvincingly.

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By tahitifp, June 11, 2009 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

Fadel:

You make a good point about why we even have a Holocaust Museum here. Do we have a museum for the Native Americans we slaughtered?  Åre we atoning for the guilt of turning away Jews who wanted to escape Hitler?  I don’t know.

I’ve been to Dachau and think it’s appropriate and necessary that the camps and museums remain open in Germany.  But now that we’re talking about this, is there a Gypsy Museum somewhere?  How about all the other people Hitler deemed *unclean* and not pure enuf?  Where’s their museum? I have friends in Europe who say that the U.S. simply cannot have a dialogue about the I/P horror show that never ends..that Americans have been brainwashed to always side with Israel.  During the latest war, and that’s a mild word, even Keith and Rachel left it alone.  This is the sign of a very unhealthy CWM. (corporate war media)
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I think the recent jump in anti-semitism is a direct result of the assault on Gaza.  It’s sad that 99% of Jews worldwide are taking the rap for the crazy RW Israeli gov’t.  Call the gov’t Zionist or whatever name you wish.  I call it *as RW crazy as Cheney.* I’ve never been an admirerer of either bush, Bibi, Olmert and now Obama, who follows meekly in their footsteps…for the most part.  I’m waiting to see what comes of the I/US tiff..maybe it’s for show only.

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By KDelphi, June 11, 2009 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

I have an answer—boycott FluffPo. (for whoever has been censored there) Other than repeated SPAMMing, I dont believe in censorship at all.

I am outraged over Israel’s actions towards Palestine, and, our govt’s constant support , military and public.

However, I dont think that blaming the death of the security guard on Jews, or, even Zionists is justified.

Most people on here know what I would do with Gaza, if I were “king of the world”, but, that would really piss off the religious. But, it would save lives.

This guy (the original shooter)called the uS The “Holy White Empire”—c’mon, folks! If it wasnt Jews, for this guy, it would be Af Ams, etc. Please dont paint people who are angry at the Israeli and uS govt actions with such a broad brush. I will NOT be included in a group with that man!!

I refuse to hate any one group of people because of their race. (its not practical, is immoral, and, runs counter to biology)I prefer to protest actions.

I strongly protest this guy’s actions. If you dont like a memorial being there, arent there more appropriate actions to take? These were innocent civilians, folks. Dont we differentiate at all anymore??

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By Fadel Abdallah, June 11, 2009 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

Sad and tragic that the Holocaust industry, after more than sixty years, continues to claim victims, remotely distant in time and place from the time and place it took place. And the victim this time is not a Jew, gypsy, Rusian, or Palestinian, but an Afro-American young man who had nothing to do with Holcaust, but he the bad luck of having the job of guarding the Holocaust Museum in Washington.

This brings me to the point of the wisdom behind erecting huge prominent monuments to commemorate tragic events, especially in a land where the event did not take place. If a prominent monument need to be built, let it be built in the country and among the nation that perpetrated that tragic event, so they can bear the moral and financial responsibility of maintaining and guarding it, as a punishment for what was done.

The Palestinians have been having their own mini-Holocaust for over sixty years. However, as a victim of the Israeli terror, wars and occupation, if this condition ever comes to an end, I would be strongly opposed to erecting a Holocaust memorial in any part of Palestine. If need be, it should be erected in the heart of Israel as part of the punishment and reminder for the wrongs they’ve done. Let them bear the responsibility and cost of building it, maintaining it and guarding it. Unless you consider such monuments as an industry to generate money and to use as blackmailing reminders, huge memorial museums don’t bring the victims back to life or give them a measure of justice.

I know in advance that the Z-Gang will react strongly to this comment, so bring it on, but before you do go and read the book “The Holocaust Industry.”

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By Inherit The Wind, June 11, 2009 at 5:17 am Link to this comment

tahitifp, June 11 at 12:12 am #

ITW, do you consider Jimmy Çarter an antisemitic bigot?

You might as well include Obama then, since he talked briefly about the plight of the Palestinians and some people actually think he’s a progressive.

A win/win situation calls for compassion for all sides.
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I have never argued and never will that legitimate criticism of the Israeli government is either invalid or anti-Semitic.  Nor had President Carter engaged in anti-Semitic rhetoric.  He has simply spoken out against the inappropriate treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank, and the Lieberman-type initiatives against Israelis who are not Jewish.

But the virulent attacks on Jews and “Zionists” as part of a vast conspiracy to dominate the US, the World IS contributing to the increasing climate of anti-semitism in the world and encourages nut-cases like Von Brunn to use violence and terrorism to intimidate opponents.

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By PatrickHenry, June 11, 2009 at 3:36 am Link to this comment

I see another death by cop incident in D.C. It had me somewhat scared as my daughter was on a field trip at the Smithsonian at the time.  With the overwhelming police presence in D.C. there is little question this whacko thought he could continue his rampage unabated irregardless what the news states.

While this is a high profile area, there is an average of 2 killings per day in D.C. they get little press, it isn’t until a killer crosses the race/religous/class boundry where its news.  How sad.

This kind of incident happens in Israel regularly against the Palestinians, recently another whacko machine gunned a bus, killed many and wounded many more, the survivors beat him to death, now they are in jail.  Another incident had an Israeli gun down a couple of Pals “on film” he was let go.

Zionist jews have their nut cases too.

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By Sepharad, June 10, 2009 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

Inherit the Wind, Just checking in: I see the Contingent is rampant as ever and agree with you that they and their ilk are responsible for the murder at the Holocaust museum today—I didn’t know about that. Haven’t given up posting in horror—though EH and the rest can be a little horrifying—just overdid training a new horse Sunday and it was going so well I forgot my physical limits. Unable to use neck, shoulders back, hands until this a.m. when fingers started to be moveable again. Will get back regularly gradually. Typing still like I have thick frozen gloves instead of fingers but can at least hit one key at a time.

Encouraged by the Lebanon election and Obama’s cagey progress on coopting Republicans in administrative posts, which bodes well for health program progress.

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By Virginia777, June 10, 2009 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment

Don’t feel singled out, Max Blumenthal, others of us have been censored at Huffington Post too (I have had comments censored there, I don’t even visit that site anymore because of this).

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By Robert, June 10, 2009 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

Peled Proposes Israeli Sanctions On US

By GIL HOFFMAN and HILARY LEILA KRIEGER

“June 10, 2009 “JPost”—In a sign of growing concern in Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s government over US President Barack Obama’s Middle East policies, Minister-without-Portfolio Yossi Peled proposed Israeli sanctions on the US in a letter to cabinet ministers on Sunday.

In the 11-page letter, obtained by The Jerusalem Post from a minister on Monday, Peled recommends steps Israel can take to compensate for the shift in American policy, which he believes has become hostile to Israel.

“Obama’s ascendance represents a turning point in America’s approach to the region, especially to Israel,” he wrote in the letter. “The new administration believes that in order to fight terror, guarantee stability and withdraw from Iraq, a new diplomatic slant is needed involving drastic steps to pacify the Muslim world and the adoption of a more balanced approach to Israel, including intensive pressure to stop building in settlements, remove outposts and advance the formation of a Palestinian state.”

Peled added that faced with an American government with an activist agenda that does not mesh with Israel’s, traditional reactions are no longer relevant. He said he expected that Obama would eventually realize that appeasement and dialogue with countries that support terror would not have positive results.

But in the interim, the minister suggests reconsidering military and civilian purchases from the US, selling sensitive equipment that the Washington opposes distributing internationally, and allowing other countries that compete with the US to get involved with the peace process and be given a foothold for their military forces and intelligence agencies.

Peled said that shifting military acquisition to America’s competition would make Israel less dependent on the US. For instance, he suggested buying planes from the France-based Airbus firm instead of the American Boeing.

In what may be his most controversial suggestion, Peled recommends intervening in American congressional races to weaken Obama and asking American Jewish donors not to contribute to Democratic congressional candidates. He predicted that this would result in Democratic candidates pressuring Obama to become more pro-Israel.

Peled called for the formation of a new body intended to influence American public opinion. The groups he suggests courting include Hispanic Americans and Labor unions in industries that benefit from Israeli military acquisitions.

A former OC Northern Command, Peled is considered part of the left flank of the Likud that includes ministers Dan Meridor and Michael Eitan. Unlike Environment Minister Gilad Erdan, he does not have a history of openly criticizing American policies and unlike Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz, he does not have personal ties to the Republican Party.

Peled told the Post on Monday that he still hoped common ground could be found with the Obama administration, but just in case that did not happen, Israel must be ready.”

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22803.htm

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By tahitifp, June 10, 2009 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

ITW, do you consider Jimmy Çarter an antisemitic bigot?

You might as well include Obama then, since he talked briefly about the plight of the Palestinians and some people actually think he’s a progressive.

A win/win situation calls for compassion for all sides.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 10, 2009 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

Today, a man walked into the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC and started shooting. The heroic guards fought to prevent him getting through and one gave his life protecting the patrons and his fellow security officers.  The asshole was critically wounded and has a history of running an anti-semitic and racist website.

On Hardball tonight, Chris Matthews and his guests raised the topic of the new disturbing rise of anti-semitism among the Left and so-called “progressives”.  I could have told him that’s not news: TruthDig is infested with these hateful bigots.

As the constant spewing of hatred towards Dr. Tiller on the Web and on Fox Noise resulted in his being murdered, so the renewed spewing of hatred of Jews, barely disguised as support for Palestinians, has now resulted in the death of a fine, brave gentleman not one mile from the White House.

Yes, I blame you for contributing to the climate of hatred that led to this officer’s death, with your parallel claims that Jews are secretly running our Government and economy solely for interests that don’t care about the USA.

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By Robert, June 10, 2009 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Bitter Truths

Censored by the Huffington Post and Imprisoned By The Past: Why I Made ‘Feeling the Hate in Jerusalem’

06.06.2009 | Mondoweiss
By Max Blumenthal

“On Wednesday, I walked around central Jerusalem with my friend, Joseph Dana, an Israel peace activist who has lived in the country for three years. We interviewed young people on camera about the speech President Barack Obama planned to deliver to the Muslim world the following day in Cairo. Though our questions were not provocative at all – we simply asked, “What do you think of Obama’s speech” – the responses our interview subjects offered comprised some of the most shocking comments I have ever recorded on camera. They were racist, hateful, and incredibly ignorant, and were mostly couched within a Zionist context – “this is our land, Obama!” The following day, we edited an hour of interviews into a 3:30 minute video package and released it on Mondoweiss and on the Huffington Post.

Within a few hours, I received an email from a Huffington Post administrator informing me he had scrubbed my video from the site. “I don’t see that it has any real news value,” the administrator told me. “For me it only proves that one can find drunk people willing to say just about anything.  Especially drunk, moronic people.” For the first time, the premier clearinghouse for online news and opinions had suppressed one of my posts.”


http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/bitter-truths/

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By Inherit The Wind, June 10, 2009 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

The blathering-on Frank Goodman took about 4000 characters to say what the old Southern rednecks used to say:

“Ah may be po’ white trash, but thank th’ Lawd Ah wasn’t born a nigger.”

Only in FG’s case he substitutes “Jew” for “nigger”.

Same thinking.

I’m sorry you are such a committed bigot.

I’m Agnostic. I don’t believe in “Chosen People” crap.  But I do believe in peoples—that’s why there are French and Vietnamese and Chechens.  And Jews, Palestinians and Kurds.

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By Robert, June 10, 2009 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

Academic Freedom at the U of C

06.08.2009 | ZNet

By William Robinson


“Academic freedom is under attack at the University of California. I am under investigation by the university - and I face possible sanctions - because of my vocal condemnation of the nearly one-month long Israeli invasion of Gaza that began last December.

This campaign against academic freedom is not just an attempt to punish me. Much more importantly, it aims to create an environment of fear and intimidation in which any criticism on Israeli policy is subject to sanctions and censorship.

But silence in the face of social injustice is complicity in that injustice

Last January 19 was the birth date of Martin Luther King, Jr. We had already been following, with growing horror, the one month siege of Gaza — the destruction of mosques, schools, hospitals, united nations supply centers, food warehouses, the demolition of civilian infrastructure, the blatant targeting of civilians, including the use of white phosphorous against them.”


“That afternoon as i prepared to give my evening course at the University of California at Santa Barbara, my course on the sociology of globalization, I put together two news items from the on-line world press for classroom discussion along with a commentary by me.

I do this every week in my class. Each week i select several news items from the world press and distribute them to my students, sometimes with my own commentary, as a way of initiating classroom debate on contemporary global events and controversies.”

One of the items was an article written by a Jewish American journalist, Judith Stone, who had recently returned from the occupied territories. Her article was critical of the occupation. It was published in the Kansas City Jewish Chronicle. The day after it was published, the editor of the newspaper, another Jewish American, Debbie Ducrocq, was promptly fired by the magazine’s publishers for having printed the article.”

“The Israeli army is the fifth most potent military machine in the world and one that is backed by a propaganda machine that rivals and may well surpass that of the U.S., a machine that dares to make the ludicrous and obnoxious claim that opposition to the policies and practices of the Israeli state is anti-Semitism. It should be no surprise that a state founded on the negation of a people was one of the principal backers of the apartheid south African state not to mention of the Latin American military dictatorships until those regimes collapsed under mass protest, and today arms, trains, and advises military and paramilitary forces in Colombia, one of the world’s worst human rights violators.”

Click on link for full story:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/standing-up-to-the-thought-police/

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., June 10, 2009 at 6:31 am Link to this comment

RE: Ed Harges, June 9 at 3:24 pm #

“ITW, you do not understand that that there is an inherent contradiction between (a) your sincere wish that Israel’s non-Jews enjoy full equality and (b) your sincere wish that Israel remain an explicitly Jewish state. You do not understand that the one ideal precludes the other. You are incoherent. You suffer from a sort of willed stupidity on this subject.”

Ed, look at it another way. Jews are God’s chosen people. They are blessed with the love of God because they were chosen to represent a special people who are not subject to the laws and other rules of conduct that apply to the rest of God’s inferior people. As God’s chosen, they don’t think like the rest of us (Though I am descended from Jews through my mother and have given up my God given right to claim that I am Jewish, I am non-Jewish and don’t act or think like one.) mortals. Anyway, Give ITW some room to act like what God said that he is. What other people on Earth have had so many bad experiences with God’s will? God promises them a Land for Jews on land already given to other people. Then God expected them to fight every Tom, Dick, and Hussein to claim it for Jews. It was a land without people for a people with a land. Having been discriminated against in Babylon, they left and wound up in Palestine (New name for some ancient tribes who got together as one). Most of us could look at the rest of mankind and believe that we were more blessed by God than Jews. Though we have had our trials and tribulations, we outnumber Jews by millions. There are many times more Arabs than Jews, and quite a few more have chosen to follow other faiths by choice rather than by a demand by the God of the Jews. Think how many more Hindus there are than Jews, how many Christians, how many Buddhists, how many tribal religions with as many members as there are Jews. When God told Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the earth, we did. Think what God may have been thinking when he allowed 6 million Jews to be murdered by a fanatic Christian tyrant, Hitler, without lifting a hand to prevent it until a motley band of would be Christians invaded and freed the pathetic Jews from their ordeal. Too late for 6 million, but not for those who got to America to enjoy more freedom than any Jew had experienced anywhere else in the world, including the new Jewish state, Israel. American Jews can eat pork if they want to, without bringing down the wrath of God and a plague of Arabs upon them. Even the Christian Right embraces them with open arms and purses. Arab Americans treat Jews as equal with them under the law, with liberty and justice for all. In America they are equal to all sorts of people whom God has chosen for special status as non-Jews not subject to the harsh rules of the Torah.

God chose the Jews, but I am glad I am not one of them. God gave me a free will and a conscience to do unto others as I would have others do unto me. No, I am not a Christian either, but I do live by the Golden Rule. I even agreed with Truman in 1948 that it was better to let Jews live in their own state so that they could enjoy the company of other Jews. At that time I was quite naive and believed that Palestine was for Jews. Then I found out that God had already given it to the Palestinians who were made up of descendants of Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, and Philistines—even some Hebrews not counted as Palestinian since 1948. But then, Palestinians were denied Great Britain who overruled God, any means of defense. Palestine was a melting pot that had all kinds of people, like an E Pluribus Unem in the Holy Land. Sorry, I forgot, Holy Land was a Christian concept. Make that Promised Land. I think that means that God promised the Jews that they would be treated like Jews by everyone.

Let us invite ITW to join the rest of humanity and live at peace with people of all faiths and reason.

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By PatrickHenry, June 10, 2009 at 3:48 am Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, June 10 at 3:21 am #

“You’d lose 50% to 90% of that bet—most Iranian and Sephardic (not Shepard-ic) Jews are treated the same”.

They don’t think so.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2006/666/6774

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By Inherit The Wind, June 9, 2009 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 9 at 9:22 pm #

ITW writes:

“There is only one nation on earth where a Jew knows he will never be treated as a second-class citizen.”

There is no such nation for the Gypsies. There’s none for the Kurds. There’s none for gay people. So fkn what. Tough.

There is no right of the people of each ethnicity or historically mistreated group to have their own separate nation-states. Especially there is no right to have such a state by doing to the local people who are in the way what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. And there sure as hell is no right to have my government act as the enabler, enforcer, and sugar daddy for this morally unfounded project.
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Oh? So you think it’s OK that Gypsies and Kurds don’t have a safe place in this world, that they should just “suck it up”?

You sound exactly like a White Republican neo-con talking about every minority in the US—you know, the guys who were born on third base and now brag they hit a triple.

You are using that same phony pretend-libertarian argument Rethugs use.  You prove my charge of anti-semitism against you with every post. Now it’s clear you don’t give a SHIT what happens to Gypsies or Kurds either.  That means you REALLY don’t give a turd about Palestinians and their suffering—it’s just an excuse for you to castigate Jews.

See, I WANT the Palestinians to prosper and build roads, bridge, buildings, businesses and universities.  YOU want them to suffer as a means of getting at Israel.

BTW, Mr. Historian, in Europe, Jews and Gypsies frequently formed alliances of “untouchables” along with friendships.  The very essence of Jewish Klezmer music is based on Gypsy folk music.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 9, 2009 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, June 9 at 6:27 pm #

By Inherit The Wind, June 9 at 5:47 pm #

“There is only one nation on earth where a Jew knows he will never be treated as a second-class citizen. There is only one nation where a Jew knows he will always be welcome”.

Maybe the European Ashken-nazi jews, but I bet there are alot of Ethiopean, Iranian and Shepardic jews who will disagree with you on that.
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You’d lose 50% to 90% of that bet—most Iranian and Sephardic (not Shepard-ic) Jews are treated the same.

But I don’t defend treating ANY citizen of Israel different from another.

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By Ed Harges, June 9, 2009 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment

ITW writes:

“There is only one nation on earth where a Jew knows he will never be treated as a second-class citizen.”

There is no such nation for the Gypsies. There’s none for the Kurds. There’s none for gay people. So fkn what. Tough.

There is no right of the people of each ethnicity or historically mistreated group to have their own separate nation-states. Especially there is no right to have such a state by doing to the local people who are in the way what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. And there sure as hell is no right to have my government act as the enabler, enforcer, and sugar daddy for this morally unfounded project.

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By PatrickHenry, June 9, 2009 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, June 9 at 5:47 pm #

“There is only one nation on earth where a Jew knows he will never be treated as a second-class citizen. There is only one nation where a Jew knows he will always be welcome”.

Maybe the European Ashken-nazi jews, but I bet there are alot of Ethiopean, Iranian and Shepardic jews who will disagree with you on that.

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Ed Harges, June 9 at 3:24 pm #

ITW writes:

“I actively advocate that ALL Israeli citizens are explicitly viewed as equal under the Law regardless of whether they are Jew or non-Jew and I’m a bigot.”

ITW, you do not understand that that there is an inherent contradiction between (a) your sincere wish that Israel’s non-Jews enjoy full equality and (b) your sincere wish that Israel remain an explicitly Jewish state. You do not understand that the one ideal precludes the other. You are incoherent. You suffer from a sort of willed stupidity on this subject.
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No, EH, YOU do not understand because you don’t read what I write, you simply imagine it means something else.  There is only one nation on earth where a Jew knows he will never be treated as a second-class citizen. There is only one nation where a Jew knows he will always be welcome.
Hint: It ain’t the USA.  Posters like you, PatrickHenry, FrankGoodman and many others are proof of THAT!

But likewise NO citizen of Israel should be treated as a second-class citizen.  It is the way of human societies to treat minorities that way, and it is up to the LAW to protect them.  Only Israel, in the Middle East, has a legal structure that can do that.  I don’t say it DOES, because it doesn’t.  But it can.

Every nation defines and controls its own immigration policy, welcoming some, denying entrance to others, and they answer to NOBODY but their own citizens. Why should Israel be denied that basic right?  Yet YOU insist they must allow all Palestinians who claim some sort of distant ancentry (“My Uncle’s Wife’s 8th cousin 5 times removed was married to a woman whose great-uncle’s nephew on his wife’s side was born there and spent 12 minutes there.) be given entrance (“Therefore I and all my family are entitled to move ‘back’ to Israel”).

NO other nation faces such a compulsion.

I won’t say “explain why this makes me a bigot” because you’ll come up with some convoluted explanation full of holes that the rest of “The Contingent” will all applaud as a sound bullet-proof argument…. (where’s that rolling eyes smilie?)

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By Ed Harges, June 9, 2009 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

ITW writes:

“I actively advocate that ALL Israeli citizens are explicitly viewed as equal under the Law regardless of whether they are Jew or non-Jew and I’m a bigot.”

ITW, you do not understand that that there is an inherent contradiction between (a) your sincere wish that Israel’s non-Jews enjoy full equality and (b) your sincere wish that Israel remain an explicitly Jewish state. You do not understand that the one ideal precludes the other. You are incoherent. You suffer from a sort of willed stupidity on this subject.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 9, 2009 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

Note that I said that you ‘owe me an apology’ and did not demand one. I neither expect nor want any apology from you or from any bigot like you.

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Your exact words….and the difference is?????????

Yeah, I’m a bigot.
I actively advocate full statehood for the Palestinians and I’m a bigot.

I actively advocate that ALL Israeli citizens are explicitly viewed as equal under the Law regardless of whether they are Jew or non-Jew and I’m a bigot.

I actively advocate that neither Torah Orthodoxy nor Sharia be a basis for Law and I’m a bigot.

I actively advocate that ALL settlements be removed OR come under Palestinian Law and I’m a bigot.

I actively advocate open economic trade between Israel, the coming state of Palestine, Lebanaon and Jordan…and I’m a bigot.

But because I actively advocate that the State of Israel should continue to exist as the ONE haven for Jews in this world (but WITHOUT special rights for Jewish citizens over non-Jewish citizens in Israel), to your hate-filled mind that makes me a bigot.

Why? Because in YOUR bizarro world ANYTHING that benefits a Jew MUST be bigotry and racism—whether it is or not.

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., June 9, 2009 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

RE: Inherit The Wind, June 9 at 6:57 am #

When you claim to quote me, please quote accurately.
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“I demand a public apology but I don’t expect to get one.”  Huh???? 
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That is not what I said. Go to the original for accuracy.

I will thank you for making the case against Zionism so clearly in your own words. Your diatribe resonates as hogwash with those of us who know the facts. Zionism is anti-human rights.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 9, 2009 at 3:57 am Link to this comment

FG:

“I demand a public apology but I don’t expect to get one.”  Huh????  Weasel words.  You tried to intimidate me and shame me but you don’t have the high moral ground to do so.  You’re the guy who described Holocaust survivors as a “mob” and you expect to get a pass on a racist statement like that?

You don’t like your congresswoman? Because she’s Jewish and supports Israel? Then work to defeat her.

Make sure you say publicly and loudly “And we can’t trust any Jews because they are all traitors supporting Israel.” 

Because that’s what you’ve said repeatedly.  It’s what you believe.  And stop pretending you don’t detest Jews.  Embrace your inner bigot.

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By PatrickHenry, June 9, 2009 at 3:43 am Link to this comment

By Frank Goodman, Sr., June 9 at 1:06 am #

Thank you Frank for your kind acknowlegement.

As a past target of ITW’s unhinged abuse, I have always blamed it on his being from N.J. i.e. something in the water.  As I have been a poster here at this website for quite sometime, my sentiments are well known to the moderators at Truthdig regarding ITW and his Ilk, no matter how many times ITW complains to them about me and others who don’t wish to swallow the zionist bullshit they are peddling, we’re still here.

Keep those opinions comming.

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By tahitifp, June 9, 2009 at 12:21 am Link to this comment

I just found this:

An alert KABOBfest reader noted that an AP transcript of Obama’s speech “as provided by CQ Transcriptions” left out the President’s comments on the suffering of the Palestinians.

The AP’s version has the president jump from his moving description of Nazi crimes against the Jews to a warning against the dangers of a nuclear armed Iran:
Six million Jews were killed, more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless. It is ignorant, and it is hateful.

(here’s where the censorship begins) and then…

It’s about preventing a nuclear arms race in the Middle East that could lead this region and the world down a hugely dangerous path.

In the transcripts posted on the White House’s website, the President’s words on the Palestinian experience are posted:

The following is what was censored by the AP:

On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people — Muslims and Christians — have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than 60 years they’ve endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations — large and small — that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: The situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. And America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own. (Applause.)

http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/ap-edits-palestinian-s...

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., June 8, 2009 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment

RE: Inherit The Wind, June 8 at 10:59 pm #

Note that I said that you ‘owe me an apology’ and did not demand one. I neither expect nor want any apology from you or from any bigot like you. You and all Zionist apologists (different sense of the word) owe mankind more than any apology could mean. After we rose up and embraced your cause after the Holocaust and you used us in an unholy advance upon human reason and compassion for the victims of a Christian atrocity to overrun another people in the name of a claim of God’s chosen people, and a gift of the Palestinian homelands from the God of us all.

No, do not apologize to me. You owe me, but I do not want the debt paid by you or by anyone else like you. The Palestinian people are the real victims of your anti-human rights stand.

Fadel Abdallah, June 8 at 11:20 pm #

Thank you for your thoughtful comment.

Robert, June 8 at 9:57 pm #
and PatrickHenry, June 8 at 8:54 pm #

Thank you for your excellent source work.

tahitifp, June 8 at 7:34 pm #

Thank you.

To all: Spread the issue of the Liberty affair. I just wrote to my congresswoman, a Jewish/American Democratic representative of my district. She is an avid Israel supporter. Make this, the anniversary of the USS Liberty attack, an occasion to remind your congress person.

I also sent a comment to the White House site as a contact message asking for a full disclosure of the affair. Enough of the principle political figures are gone and there are few to protect. There are far more to atone for. And American democracy could use a bit of sunshine on this issue. It might just bring Israel into the modern world and out of the Nazi era of duplicity and deception. More important it could prevent another George Bush episode in American history. We need to vote in the sunshine, now and always.

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By Fadel Abdallah, June 8, 2009 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

By Frank Goodman, Sr., June 8 at 6:21 pm #
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Your response to ITW is on the mark and I concur with your reasoned response. However, your asking for an apology from a person devoid of reason is asking too much. I like to think of this person as a seriously sick, insecure and fanatic Zionist, who over uses the old worn-out Zionist blackmailing technique of labeling those who disagree with him as Jew-haters. He does that even to other posters, like Folktruther, who’ve been saying openly that they are Jews, but they are on the side of truth and justice. For ITW, who I like to call teasingly “Full-Of-Hot-Air, the borders of truth and justice end with Zionism as represented by all the wrongs of Israel. I wish he would voluntarily ship himself to Israel since he places his loyalty to her over his physical homeland! 

Moreover, another favorite blackmailing technique of his is to overreact to people like me, as I use my obvious real Arabic name, to express certain truths with which he always disrespectfully disagrees and reacts with bigotry, repeating again several times to go back to the Middle East, despite my reminding him that I am an American citizen who’s been here for over thirty years (the prime of my life) educating thousands of university students at several high learning institutions.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 8, 2009 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

A public apology, Goodman? After YOU called Holocaust victims a “Mob”???  How DARE you! 

THEN you claim Jews throughout history brought it on themselves, ghettoizing themselves.

How dare you!

You want an APOLOGY from me?

OK. Here’s one:
I’m sorry you can’t see the hypocrisy and bigotry in your own words.

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By Robert, June 8, 2009 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment

http://www.gtr5.com/picts/libmemorial.gif

“On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.


The Attack

After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded.  The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.

 

The Cover Up
Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed. The full text of the report can be found at http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

 

Anti-Semitism and the Anti-American Apologists
The USS Liberty Memorial web site abhors the racist and extreme positions taken by antiSemitic, Holocaust denial, conspiracy theorist and other such groups which often seek to identify with us and to usurp our story as their own. We have no connection with and do not support or encourage support from any of these groups including National Alliance, National Vanguard, The New Order, National Socialists, The French Connection, Liberty Lobby, American Free Press, Republic Broadcasting, AFP’s Liberty Radio Hour, or other such groups. We wish harm to no one and encourage social justice and equality for everyone; we seek only accountability for the criminal acts perpetrated against us and can do that without help from hate-mongers.”
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Click on link below for the rest on what happened to the USS Liberty Ship and its American servicemen:

http://www.ussliberty.org

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By tahitifp, June 8, 2009 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment

Frank:  Even Jimmy Çarter is called anti-semitic, so you’re in good company.

Like you, I’m against human rights violations and the Gaza *war* sickened me.  Doesn’t mean I hate Jews.  It means I hate war. I would still hate war even if the playing field were level, which is wasn’t…not even close.

Ånd the blockade is still up.  Saddens and sickens me.  Same for what’s happening in the ME and S. Asia and Africa.  Åctually, I find most powerful pols, no matter what country they’re from, to be thoroughly disgusting, power-mad, myopic and totally w/o compassion for the earth or other people.

Call me a pacifist.  grin

I recommend a movie that will leave your mouth agape with it’s terrifying cinematic beauty.  It’s called “Osama* and no, it’s not about OBL.
It’s about a young girl forced to pose as a boy right after the Russians left and the Taliban rose to power.  It’s not about physical violence, but about soul-murder.  Tragedy is couched in seemingly *normal* scenes that are heartbreaking.  Årabic with English subtitles.  I’ll be thinking about this movie for many years.  And it’s what is happening right now with innocent people caught between the U.S. drones and guns and the Taliban/al queda repression.

Pipelinestan is on course.

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., June 8, 2009 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind,

“Calling refugees from one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) mass-murder in history a “mob” is pejorative?

Formed ghettos? 
You might say Blacks in America “formed” ghettos to keep out Whites.
You might say Latinos in America “formed” ghettos to keep out Gringos.
You might say Chinese in America “formed” ghettos to keep out Europeans.

You blame the victim for being ghettoized.

And you claim you are NOT a racist and a Jew-hater?

Bullshit on that.  Get out your swastika.”

Exactly! Black ghettos were places of retreat where law enforcement could not go. Each ethnic group either established their own China Town, Latino Quarter, or were forced into them by denial of their right to live where they chose. I was a real estate salesman for some years and I know. Even after court rulings, real estate brokers find ways to beat the ban. I wonder if you ever heard of the very common practice of ‘Unconditional Withdrawal of Property from the Market?’

Jews were never victims of Palestinians until they stole Palestinian lands. First Palestinians were victims of the theft, and then the Jews were victims of attempts to get the Palestinian lands back to the rightful owners. I say that Jews were victims of Zionism by receiving stolen property.

I am neither a racist or a Jew-hater. I fight for human rights against all violators, just as I fight against all criminals, no matter their claim to religion. Thieves are criminals in all cultures, even though religions may claim to rise above the law. Stolen property is stolen property even if it stolen by a Rabbi, Priest, or Preacher of the Gospel. So is murder a crime if committed by a handsome young clergyman. How does hating Hitler make me anti-Christ? And how does hating slavery of any human being make me a racist? I oppose black slavers, Oriental slavers and lily white Christian slavers. If a Jew ‘owns’ slaves, I hate him. Not for being a Jew, but for holding slaves. The problem comes when a whole state full of Jews calling themselves Zionists steal the land of the Palestinians, proclaim a new state for Jews only and second, third or fourth class citizenship by the trapped Arabs and even threat of denial of their property if they do not kneel down to the Zionist thieves.

My brother served in World War II freeing the victims of Christian Hitler’s death camps. I lost a neighbor in that bloody war to liberate your fellow Jews. I spent the rest of my life fighting injustice of all kinds. I am as much against Islamism as I am against Zionism. I was against the intent of the Christian Crusades and the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks. I accept the swastika as the symbol of a tribe of American Indians long before Hitler was born. I do not bow down in idol worship of any symbol of bigotry or special status before God.

You owe me a public apology. I shall continue to be against Zionist theft of Palestinian lands and suppression of Palestinian people on their own land. I am not anti-Semitic. Get that straight.

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By Robert, June 8, 2009 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

June 8, 2009

Obama’s Quid Pro Quo

Natural Growth: Israel’s Demographic Hogwash

By FRANKLIN C. SPINNEY

“President Barack Obama has put Israel and its wholly-owned subsidiaries in the American press in uproar by demanding that Israel halt its policy of settlement growth in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, including the now infamous “natural growth.”  He has posited this as a condition for a peace process that results in what is called the two-state solution.  Obama says Israel agreed to this in 2003, when Israel signed onto Mad King George’s so-called Roadmap To Peace.  Readers might recall that the Roadmap was supposed to produce a comprehensive settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict by 2005.  Israel, to be sure, signed it with “reservations,” but her leaders have now countered Obama’s gambit by saying that it had an unwritten verbal agreement with the Bush Administration that allowed Israel to proceed with a partial form of “natural growth” in the existing settlements. Presumably this partial natural growth is driven by demographic facts shaping the settler population.  This is a curious argument, but it does show how vapid the Middle East debate has become.

To illustrate the depths of the mindlessness now shaping debate, let us set aside the obvious: “Natural growth” is a red herring because (1) all settlements are illegal under international law and (2) a two-state solution can not possibly succeed unless the Palestinian state on the West Bank is a coherent geographical entity, with at least one border open to a country other than Israel.  Both of these conditions imply Israel must tear down its illegal separation wall, close down the hundreds of illegal checkpoints that strangle free movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, shut down all the illegal Israeli-only access roads that carve the West Bank into isolated Bantustans, and roll back its existing settlements to a point where Palestinian territory in the West Bank approximates that of the status quo ante on June 4, 1967.  Yet now the debate has been joined over the question of natural growth?

Just what is natural growth?

Last March 10, I wrote an essay in Counterpunch entitled “The Settler Question: What Arab-Israeli Peace Process?” It included a graphic that showed how the rate of build-up of Israeli settlers in the West Bank and Jerusalem was completely unaffected by the Oslo, Camp David, and Roadmap peace processes.  Since the Israelis now claim they had a secret unwritten agreement with Bush II to proceed with some aspects of “natural growth” during the Roadmap period (2003-2008), by their own words, it seems fair to say that the build up shown in this figure portrays the Israeli conception of those partial aspects of “natural growth.”

The data was assembled by the Israeli human rights organization B’TSelem.  It shows that Israel’s conception of natural growth resulted in a settler population in the West Bank and East Jerusalem that grew from 397,988 settlers in 2003 to 479,523 in 2008.  This represents a compound annual population growth of 3.85 per cent per year.  According to data compiled in the CIA World Factbook, the most recent estimate (2007) for the population growth rate of Israel (which includes the settlers) was 1.15 per cent.  So Israel’s leaders believe natural growth in the Occupied Territories must be at least 3.34 times faster than that for the entire population of Israel.

But there is more.  Most Israelis believe that they are facing a demographic time bomb where the faster Arab population growth in the Occupied Territories will soon result in Israelis being outnumbered by Arabs in all the lands controlled by Israel.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/spinney06082009.html

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Frank Goodman, Sr., June 7 at 10:26 pm #

“Israels creation actually wiped a country off the map namely Palestine.”

This is the worst human rights crime except for the conspiracy to legitimize it by the UN and USA. President Truman used the opportunity to win the majority of Jewish vote in his bid for election to his only elected term against Thomas Dewey. It began as a political ploy and has worked for or against all candidates since. Failure of USA to demand action to uphold UN resolutions against Israel is the blackest mark on American claims to advance human rights.

USA cannot advance human rights of one group by denying human rights of another. Human rights knows no religion, ethnicity, race, gender, age, political or nationality. The worst criminal deserves his human rights. Hitler owned his human rights. Criminals also deserve the right to be punished by competent authority under just and equally administered law. So did Hitler. Hitler at least served justice by taking his own life.

Palestine was promised by the victors of World War I in a mandate to prepare the people long ruled by conflict for self rule. The Balfour was a violation of that plan. Instead British Mandate Palestine prepared to surrender Palestinian people to the mob of Holocaust survivors who could know no limit of hatred toward anyone they encountered who even put up a hand to halt the terrorism of the Jewish thugs who ran over Palestine.

The true purpose of the creation of a Jewish state was twofold.

1. Jews have long resisted and rejected political integration. They formed ghetto individuals who could not live among people of another religion. They formed neighborhood ghettos to isolate Jews from their neighbors. They formed a ghetto religion not easily joined by non-ethnic Jews. They decided late in the 19th century to form a ghetto state so that they could see, touch, and smell only Jews. When the found the fabled ‘land without people,’ they took the course of ethnic cleansing to rid themselves of the burden of democracy with non-Jews. With the British weapons and more from US aid, the Jewish terrorists swept over Palestine and emptied hundreds of villages, driving away or murdering the Palestinians in the worst case of international crime. The victorious terrorists then declared the state of Israel on the stolen land of Palestine. No Palestinian voted for that to lend a note of legitimacy. NO LEGITIMACY was needed as they claimed it was a gift of God to the Jewish people. That means the God took it away from the Palestinians whose ancestors were there when Abraham arrived in Biblical times which you can read in Genesis. Abraham had to fight for his ‘Gift From God.’ The heirs of Abraham though his son Isaac won and lost the ‘Gift From God’ from time to time, the last before the return just after Jesus. It seems to show that either God was impotent to stop the tossing of the Jews, or He intended it. I suppose it is like a loving father whipping the s—- out of a fractious son to make him behave, only to find a more fractious and vicious son deserving more punishment.
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Look up the fact and the fables.

“Mob of Holocaust victims”? Calling refugees from one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) mass-murder in history a “mob” is pejorative?

Formed ghettos? 
You might say Blacks in America “formed” ghettos to keep out Whites.
You might say Latinos in America “formed” ghettos to keep out Gringos.
You might say Chinese in America “formed” ghettos to keep out Europeans.

You blame the victim for being ghettoized.

And you claim you are NOT a racist and a Jew-hater?

Bullshit on that.  Get out your swastika.

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., June 7, 2009 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment

“Israels creation actually wiped a country off the map namely Palestine.”

This is the worst human rights crime except for the conspiracy to legitimize it by the UN and USA. President Truman used the opportunity to win the majority of Jewish vote in his bid for election to his only elected term against Thomas Dewey. It began as a political ploy and has worked for or against all candidates since. Failure of USA to demand action to uphold UN resolutions against Israel is the blackest mark on American claims to advance human rights.

USA cannot advance human rights of one group by denying human rights of another. Human rights knows no religion, ethnicity, race, gender, age, political or nationality. The worst criminal deserves his human rights. Hitler owned his human rights. Criminals also deserve the right to be punished by competent authority under just and equally administered law. So did Hitler. Hitler at least served justice by taking his own life.

Palestine was promised by the victors of World War I in a mandate to prepare the people long ruled by conflict for self rule. The Balfour was a violation of that plan. Instead British Mandate Palestine prepared to surrender Palestinian people to the mob of Holocaust survivors who could know no limit of hatred toward anyone they encountered who even put up a hand to halt the terrorism of the Jewish thugs who ran over Palestine.

The true purpose of the creation of a Jewish state was twofold.

1. Jews have long resisted and rejected political integration. They formed ghetto individuals who could not live among people of another religion. They formed neighborhood ghettos to isolate Jews from their neighbors. They formed a ghetto religion not easily joined by non-ethnic Jews. They decided late in the 19th century to form a ghetto state so that they could see, touch, and smell only Jews. When the found the fabled ‘land without people,’ they took the course of ethnic cleansing to rid themselves of the burden of democracy with non-Jews. With the British weapons and more from US aid, the Jewish terrorists swept over Palestine and emptied hundreds of villages, driving away or murdering the Palestinians in the worst case of international crime. The victorious terrorists then declared the state of Israel on the stolen land of Palestine. No Palestinian voted for that to lend a note of legitimacy. NO LEGITIMACY was needed as they claimed it was a gift of God to the Jewish people. That means the God took it away from the Palestinians whose ancestors were there when Abraham arrived in Biblical times which you can read in Genesis. Abraham had to fight for his ‘Gift From God.’ The heirs of Abraham though his son Isaac won and lost the ‘Gift From God’ from time to time, the last before the return just after Jesus. It seems to show that either God was impotent to stop the tossing of the Jews, or He intended it. I suppose it is like a loving father whipping the s—- out of a fractious son to make him behave, only to find a more fractious and vicious son deserving more punishment.

2. To get the Jews out of ‘Christian’ American and European populations. The hope was that the most fanatic Jews would go to Israel and solve the Jewish Problem once and for all for devout Christians who still blamed Jews for death of Christ, though they are taught in Sunday schools all across the world that Jesus died for their sins. If so Jews were doing Christians a favor by letting him die for their sins.

Look up the fact and the fables.

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By PatrickHenry, June 7, 2009 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment

Israel in going to attack Iran any day now.

6 months later:

Israel in going to attack Iran any day now.

A few facts about Iran:

Israel has over 100 nukes; Iran doesnt have any.

Israel has started many wars; Iran has started 1 in over 200 hundred years.

Israel has committed alleged war crimes, Iran hasn’t.

Israel has countless UN resolutions outstanding, Iran hasn’t any.

Israels creation actually wiped a country off the map namely Palestine. Iran hasnt.

The facts speak for themselves.

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By KDelphi, June 7, 2009 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

Ribald—We can “help” the Muslim world by getting our troops and merceanries out. We can “not stay” by not building $500 million embassies.

In Germany—what happened to just “fighting” “religious extremim”? He used the word terrorist all over again, maybe rattled by Merkel’s doomed attempts to ask hin to stop pouring more and more money in to a broken system.

They shouldve had a video of the drones hitting in Pakistan in the backbground.

The “troops” werent able to watch the speech, as four of them were being blown up. He has escalated the number of mercenaries (we are up to 200,000), so, I guess we can , now, “pull the troops out” and still be at war…clever.

It must have really hurt Obama’s brain to say that the killing of innocents is never warranted….

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By Inherit The Wind, June 7, 2009 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

Folktruther, June 7 at 5:02 am #

A major obstacle are American Jews like yourself, who are the most right wing.  Apparently a third of the Israeli settlers are American Jews.  they consist of fanatics like Sepharad who identify with Jewish power with a fascist zeal. 
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What is this, a sickness with you?  You just cannot help yourself, can you FolkLiar? You just HAVE to keep making up shit about me and posting even when you know it’s blatantly untrue.

It’s must be a compulsion with you: No matter what I post YOU turn around and then post garbage like that is 180 degrees contrary to the positions I hold and the positions I STATE!

Answer me this: Why do you have this constant and consistent need to lie about my positions? 

Other members of “The Contingent” attack me on all sorts of grounds, mostly ad hominem, and really down and dirty, but not even Fadel or Robert or Ed Harges invent the kind of fantasies about what I believe that you do.  You just make up any shit you like about me and post it.

Why do you keep doing that?  Do you need a reference to a good shrink or something?  It’s a sickness.

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By PatrickHenry, June 7, 2009 at 8:16 am Link to this comment

FT, I take it you didn’t vote for Obama. 

I’m with you on rich American zionists creating the mess we are now in.  I believe this is why the Israelis demonstrate the arrogance towards the U.S. they know they have several “uncle Madoffs” in their pockets willing to tear down the U.S. to support Israel.

Banking (the Fed, Solomon Bros, Goldman Sachs, AIG, etc.) Major Media (Newsprint, Broadcast television, Radio, Periodicals, Movies, etc.) Lobbys, (AIPAC, JTA, WJC, JINSA, Christian coalition, etc).

Alot of American zionist jews calling the shots here. Alot of wealth.  Having a religious nation state you can escape to with no extradition is nice but having a religious nation state where you can offshore your money without scrutiny is better.

Alot of anti-trust action is needed in America to ensure monopolies of race, ethnicity or religion don’t occur in our basic services and interface with our elected officials, we have to have a choice of diversity in what we watch and who we bank with to be a free nation.   

Obama definity is taking the slow and careful road. I wish he would close and turn over Guantanamo to the Cubans faster, repeal the MCA and Patriot act sooner. 

He did dissappoint me on the FISA and telecom immunity position he has taken. 

He has set the groundwork on cutting of AID to Israel without world Jewry screaming for his head and this is a milestone.

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By godistwaddle, June 7, 2009 at 4:40 am Link to this comment

Israel has no right to exist where it does.  Give ‘em Delaware.  Oh, wait!!  Then there’d be dispossessed Delawareans in refugee camps demanding their homes back.

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By Folktruther, June 7, 2009 at 2:02 am Link to this comment

Inherit, Obama’s track record is now so blatant that his selling out every campaign promoise is there for anyone to see, if they are willing to look.  But since he supports Zionism, you will support him.

I have changed my view of Zionism based on Anarcissie’s and Shepharad’s criticism.  I used to think that the Zionist tail was wagging the American dog, but a much more plausable explanation is that the American ruling class is using Zionism the way that it is using the right wing loonies, to accomplish their own purposes.  But since the ruling class remains largely concealed and the looniness of the religious and brutality of Zionism is manifest, the tendency is to focus on the latter, power-wise.

The major roadblock to the solution of the Israeli problem is the US.  The US ruling class do not want a solution acceptable to Arabs because they would then lose Israel as a tool of oppression in the Middle East. 

A major obstacle are American Jews like yourself, who are the most right wing.  Apparently a third of the Israeli settlers are American Jews.  they consist of fanatics like Sepharad who identify with Jewish power with a fascist zeal. 

More of the settlers identify with the Jewish myths as well as the underlying pressuppositions of Jews as a Chosen People.  this was an historical problem that Gibbon discusses in great detail, pointing out the Jewish fanaticism underlying the Christian and Western traditions.  Gibbon was not a strong believer in religious superstition except as a pro forma cultural tradition.

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By Ed Harges, June 6, 2009 at 11:28 pm Link to this comment

re: By tahitifp, June 6 at 11:33 pm:

Yeah, tahitifp — she’s a political science major, sitting in a café in Jerusalem, and she’s Jewish, and she doesn’t know who Benjamin Netanyahu is?! And this arrogant moron has the gall to condemn Obama? She has the gall to pronounce her firm opinion on anything whatsoever? These pampered brats personify the absolute worst of Israel and America.

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By tahitifp, June 6, 2009 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment

I think we’ll have to wait and see if he backs up his words with actions.

His track record is not very good.  The problem seems to be, for me at least, is that I don’t trust him..not after his FISA vote and the escalation of the wars, GITMO, the MÇÅ..and the Patriot Åct is still going strong.

Geitner and the banksters tell me he’s either a corporatist at heart or he’s being manipulated from behind the scenes.

But the very biggest thing for me, besides the wars, is how he wants to move forward and not prosecute bushco while mentioning 9/11 frequently.

He simply snubs his nose at the fact that it’s a Constitutional imperative that we prosecute bushco. As Turley says, he’s now complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity if bushco walks free.

I don’t like the precedents being set.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 6, 2009 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther, June 6 at 10:47 pm #

Virgina, you’ve eventually got to understand that the left and right are opposing Obama for different reasons and are proposing different poliices.  Princpled gullibility is not a viable political stance.  If Obama actually supported the policies that he is rhetorically pretending he does, the left would support him.  But he is deceaving the population, and apparently you, by his articlate and intelligent duplicity.

That is his function, as it was Bush’s, to be the front man to publically relations the his administration’s policies, to catupult the propaganda for the population to swallow.  Sooner or later, I have no doubt, you will get fed up as well.
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It’s amazing how as each step happens, you predict an outcome, your wrong and yet you do not learn from your mistakes.

You said Obama would NEVER get in the Israeli leadership’s face. You said he’d never buck them. You said he was under their control. You said he’d never say what he said in Cairo.

You were wrong every step of the way (as you always are) and now you are AGAIN predicting the wrong thing: You are saying Obama won’t back up his words with actions, after you said he’d never say those words.

But he did, FT, and you are wrong again, as you always are.

But….you have your pet political theories and claim I have them—and then claim that what I have is something utterly different than what I propose.  But nothing, no fact, no reality can bring you to deviate from your dogma.

Unlike you, if the facts don’t bear me out, I don’t ignore them and look for new ‘facts’ that do.

I don’t lie to myself and fool myself, FT. You, and your fellow cronies in “The Contingent” do it everyday—and demand the rest of us do it as well.

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By tahitifp, June 6, 2009 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

I watched the tape.  They’re young, drunk and I wonder what % of the population agrees with them.

Didn’t you love the girl dissing Obama and didn’t know who Bibi is? 

So much extreme hate on both sides.  We absoutely have to get out of the ME militarily.

Åfter Buchenwald, Obama should visit Gaza.  Walk the walk, Mr. Prez, or your base will not vote for you.

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By PatrickHenry, June 6, 2009 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment

They sound like they’re from N.J.

http://ww3zionism.blogspot.com/2009/06/jews-respond-to-obama-speaking-to-arabs.html

Same as Roberts link but you don’t have to sign in.

Keep up the good work Robert and keep the info flowing.

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By Folktruther, June 6, 2009 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

Virgina, you’ve eventually got to understand that the left and right are opposing Obama for different reasons and are proposing different poliices.  Princpled gullibility is not a viable political stance.  If Obama actually supported the policies that he is rhetorically pretending he does, the left would support him.  But he is deceaving the population, and apparently you, by his articlate and intelligent duplicity.

That is his function, as it was Bush’s, to be the front man to publically relations the his administration’s policies, to catupult the propaganda for the population to swallow.  Sooner or later, I have no doubt, you will get fed up as well.

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By Robert, June 6, 2009 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

Feeling the Hate In Jerusalem on Eve of Obama’s Cairo Address

See Max Blumenthal’s shocking footage of the reaction by some Israelis and American Jews in Jerusalem to Obama’s speech to the Muslim world. Co-produced by Joseph Dana, aka Ibn Ezra: ibnezra.wordpress.com and Mondoweiss, a blog that covers the Israel-Palestine conflict and the Middle East from a progressive Jewish perspective.

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This is really shocking. You must sign-in on youtube to view this video. You can judge for yourself. The “N” & other racist terms are common…etc…

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Uxt9HwfPwPo

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By Virginia777, June 6, 2009 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

oh stop with the “replace Obama” refrain!

Do you see what I mean? The Left is playing, again, into the hand of the Right - this seems to happen ever time Obama’s name comes up on Truthdig,

Come On!!

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By tahitifp, June 6, 2009 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

Viginia 777 wrote

“At some point, Obama needs our support.”

Why?  Why not support a peace and justice candidate to replace him?  When are we going to stop having two choices: one awful, one almost as awful (didn’t want to call them evil).

Our military involvement in the ME is bringing down our country.  Obama is continuing the savage bush doctrine.

But then…there’s all that oil and gas!

If the wars and killing continue, I think the Greens, Indies, Naderites and disenchanted repugs and dems would and could unite behind a peace candidate.  Why not? 

Ah…the CMW’s.  However, if the people actually voted for whom they want and stop listening to how so-and-so can’t win, we could win IA.  The rest would be relatively easy..perhaps.  We organize, send money to our candidate, send nothing to Obama, by-pass the media and stand in the proper corner in the IA primaries.  This is, of course, if Obama continues his terrible trajectory.

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By Fadel Abdallah, June 6, 2009 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

Here are three links to three good articles analyzing Obama’s speech in Cairo. To my own surprise not all of them are negative. But there is also a good article on the Holocaust, always a topic related to Israel and artificially linked to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Certainly, these articles are enlightening for those who seek enlightenment!
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America’s Violent Extremism
By Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.countercurrents.org/roberts060609.htm

“After the euphoric attention to idealistic rhetoric dies down, Obama will be criticized for extravagant words that create unrealizable expectations. But were the extravagant words other than a premier act of schmoozing Muslims designed to quiet the Muslim Brotherhood in our Egyptian puppet state and to get Muslims to accept US aggression in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan? ...”


Obama‘s Reception In Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley
By Franklin Lamb

http://www.countercurrents.org/lamb060609.htm

“The Bekaa Valley seems to like Obama, are hopeful that American will finally stop enabling Zionist colonialism in their part of the World, and will be a friend and ally for Lebanon…”

A Critique Of President Obama’s Speech In Cairo
By Mirza A. Beg

http://www.countercurrents.org/beg060609.htm

“If he does not follow up with concrete policies, these lofty words and ideas, the critics would have been proven right, but one needs to give him some time…”

 

President Obama’s Vision For The World
By Tomichan Matheikal

http://www.countercurrents.org/matheikal060609.htm

“Both the content and the tone of President Obama’s speech at the Cairo University differ distinctively from his predecessor’s similar exercises says Tomichan Matheikal…”

Holocaust Denial And Uncomfortable Truths
By Robin Davis

http://www.countercurrents.org/davis060609.htm

Throughout history Jews, like many other minorities, have indeed been persecuted, but the modern state of Israel never was the victim. Since its inception it has been the coloniser, aggressor, tormentor and oppressor. Exploiting the memory of Hitler’s victims to perpetuate the myth of “victim Israel” is cynical. To do so while attacking its neighbours and inflicting Nazi-style state terrorism, apartheid and genocide on the Palestinians is cynical in the extreme…”

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By Virginia777, June 6, 2009 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

to Ed Harges: “So we are going to make sure that Obama finds it more unpleasant to displease us than to displease Israel. That means, we don’t let up on him”

Just be careful here that the carping about Obama doesn’t feed right into the considerable attacks he is taking from the Right. At some point, Obama needs our support.

For instance, look who has jumped onto the “Torture” bandwagon, no less than the John Birch Society (!!) hmmm, now why do you think that is?

http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/4950

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By Folktruther, June 6, 2009 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

Oh no, Tahiti, I didn’t mean to imply at all that you accepted Obama’s rhetoric at face value; just the reverse, that you pointed out the duplicity midst the soaring rhetoric.

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By tahitifp, June 6, 2009 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

Folktruther

I hope you didn’t think that I actually believe what Obama said about the US not torturing.  I don’t believe that for a minute.  I agree he’s going for plausible deniability.  The latest tinkering he’s doing with the MCA to deny full trials is sickening.

Besides GITMO, there’s Bagram and all the other sites that Obama forgets to mention.

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By Folktruther, June 6, 2009 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

Tahiti has taken as the text of his post Obama’s assertion that “I have unequivacably porhibited the use of torture in the US.”  It is truth assertions and images like this that have sysematically distorted the consciousness of the American people.  The truth assertion is tecnically true but is an outrageous falsehood in its underlying implications, and it is these presuppositions that delude the population.

The US has always taught torture techniques to be used by military, intelligence and police agencies of its client-states and allies.  Israel for example systematically tortures Palestinian children. the Bushites legitimated torture for US military, intelligence and police agencies.  Obama has prohibited torture by US agencies but continued them for the vast number of its police states, as Chomsky has pointed out.

But that doesn’t mean that US personel do not torture.  It merely means that the US tortures after Obama has prohibited it, assuring plausable deniability.  Gitmo is one big torture chamber.  Now Obama is going to turn it into a judicial death chmaber as well, murdering prisoners who have been tortured to prefer death to more torture.

But Americans have been indoctrinated, as all populations have, to identify with power and want to be believe what authority says is true.  After all, Obama is the president.  And we are at war.  This is how the American people have been brutalized and made callous to the barbarism of US foreign and domestic policy.  And this cannot be changed until the Americn people get their own truth media to form their own truth cosnensus.

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By Robert, June 6, 2009 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

June 5 -7, 2009

Don’t Carp, Organize

Our Convoy to Gaza

By GEORGE GALLOWAY

“Where is the ummah; where is this Arab world they tell us about in school.”

“Those words will forever remain etched on my brain. They were spoken by a 10 year old girl in a bombed out ruin in Gaza in March. She had lost her almost her entire family in the 22-day Israeli bombardment earlier this year. The second time she spoke, it was to the back of my head. I had to turn away; what answer could you give her?

While Hugo Chavez expelled the Israeli ambassador to Venezuela, the leaders of the Arab League, with a handful of exceptions, spent those murderous weeks in December and January scarcely summoning even the synthetic indignation that has so often attended previous bloody episodes in the Palestinian tragedy.

But that was not so of public opinion, not only in the Muslim world, but mobilized on the streets of Western capitals. In Britain, over 100,000 people took to the streets and night after night we blockaded the Israeli embassy. Above all, the Gaza onslaught produced in the US an unprecedented outpouring. There have, for sure, been protests before, but this has turned out to be more than an ephemeral release of impotent rage. Something is changing.

That has become more and more apparent to me over the last two months as I’ve spoken on Palestine at packed meetings and fundraisers across the US.  The opinion polls in January showed a plurality of Americans against the Israeli onslaught. It may not have been a surprise to those of us who witnessed Ariel Sharon’s leveling of Beirut in the late summer of 1982, but the sight of white phosphorous – which forms a gaseous cloud – being used against civilians in Gaza stunned the senses of millions or people who had up to that point been led to believe that it was somehow the Palestinians who were occupying Israeli land rather than the other way round.”


http://www.counterpunch.org/galloway06052009.html

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By jackpine savage, June 6, 2009 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

A change in tone is wonderful and valuable…unless it goes hand in hand with a continuation of bombing innocent people to smithereens.

I like the talk, but it’s not worth shit until there’s some walking.

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By Ed Harges, June 6, 2009 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

re: By ridinginfaith, June 6 at 12:27 am #:

RIF scribbles the following:

Ed Harges,says: Smack Israel down hard, and really make it stick. Then I’ll be impressed.

What exactly does that mean? Let me try a guess.
Wipe them off the face of the earth.

Well, you’re “riding in faith”, so one doesn’t expect you to think.

“Evabody sing nah: Bird gotta fly, fish gotta swim, RIF gotta say wot sound like him, all in de way ob de lawd….”

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By ridinginfaith, June 5, 2009 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment

Ed Harges,says: Smack Israel down hard, and really make it stick. Then I’ll be impressed.

What exactly does that mean? Let me try a guess.
Wipe them off the face of the earth.

I personally think giving countries like Iran nuke tech is like giving fire gasoline.

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By PatrickHenry, June 5, 2009 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, June 5 at 11:07 pm #

This I have learned.

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PatrickHenry, June 5 at 6:22 pm #

ITW, I don’t particularly like how you respond to critcism of your opinions either, however I know you are from New Jersy (what exit) and that explains alot, i.e. who do you think you’re insulting you friggen moron!
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By Ed Harges, June 5, 2009 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

Re: By Virginia777, June 5 at 8:54 pm:

Virginia, we have seen in the past that every time there are some hopeful words from Obama, the Israel lobby screams and gets its way.

Israel vomits and shts on every tender sprig of hope that ever comes up.

So we are going to make sure that Obama finds it more unpleasant to displease us than to displease Israel. That means, we don’t let up on him.

One. Little. Bit.

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By Virginia777, June 5, 2009 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

gosh, Noam, what are you doing criticizing Obama after the most significant speech on Tolerance in the Middle East by an American President for a long, long time…

hmmm??

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By PatrickHenry, June 5, 2009 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

FT,  We are but actors and the world is but a stage.  Obama was the best pick for president in my humble opinion (besides Kucinich).  He represents youth, intelligence and a face of a new multi-ethnic America.  He said what needed saying. Lets see how he handles it.

ITW, I don’t particularly like how you respond to critcism of your opinions either, however I know you are from New Jersy (what exit) and that explains alot, i.e. who do you think you’re insulting you friggen moron!

Seph, I am always fascinated by your pro-Israel position irregardless of what atrocities they commit this week.  I believe you have the right to vote in any nations election you choose, but if you run for (American) public office or serve in the (American) military or (American) government, I feel your loyalties should be with America.  We have already seen what so called Americans (Pollard) whose loyalties reside with another government can do and people died because of it.

While you may not like what I post or how I put it out there, I suggest you get over it, as I must get over what you post and how you post it.  If the hate bill the ADL proposes is enforced, might as well shut down Truthdig. 

I can’t wait to see the MSM utter the last “Islamofacist” or “Islamoterrorist” adjective.

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By Robert, June 5, 2009 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

The Grim Picture of Obama’s Middle East

By Noam Chomsky

“June 05, 2009 “Information Clearing House”—A CNN headline, reporting Obama’s plans for his June 4 Cairo address, reads ‘Obama looks to reach the soul of the Muslim world.’ Perhaps that captures his intent, but more significant is the content hidden in the rhetorical stance, or more accurately, omitted.

Keeping just to Israel-Palestine—there was nothing substantive about anything else—Obama called on Arabs and Israelis not to ‘point fingers’ at each other or to ‘see this conflict only from one side or the other.’ There is, however, a third side, that of the United States, which has played a decisive role in sustaining the current conflict. Obama gave no indication that its role should change or even be considered.

Those familiar with the history will rationally conclude, then, that Obama will continue in the path of unilateral U.S. rejectionism.

Obama once again praised the Arab Peace Initiative, saying only that Arabs should see it as ‘an important beginning, but not the end of their responsibilities.’ How should the Obama administration see it? Obama and his advisers are surely aware that the Initiative reiterates the long-standing international consensus calling for a two-state settlement on the international (pre-June ‘67) border, perhaps with ‘minor and mutual modifications,’ to borrow U.S. government usage before it departed sharply from world opinion in the 1970s, vetoing a Security Council resolution backed by the Arab ‘confrontation states’ (Egypt, Iran, Syria), and tacitly by the PLO, with the same essential content as the Arab Peace Initiative except that the latter goes beyond by calling on Arab states to normalize relations with Israel in the context of this political settlement. Obama has called on the Arab states to proceed with normalization, studiously ignoring, however, the crucial political settlement that is its precondition. The Initiative cannot be a ‘beginning’ if the U.S. continues to refuse to accept its core principles, even to acknowledge them.

In the background is the Obama administration’s goal, enunciated most clearly by Senator John Kerry, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, to forge an alliance of Israel and the ‘moderate’ Arab states against Iran. The term ‘moderate’ has nothing to do with the character of the state, but rather signals its willingness to conform to U.S. demands.

What is Israel to do in return for Arab steps to normalize relations? The strongest position so far enunciated by the Obama administration is that Israel should conform to Phase I of the 2003 Road Map, which states: ‘Israel freezes all settlement activity (including natural growth of settlements).’ All sides claim to accept the Road Map, overlooking the fact that Israel instantly added 14 reservations that render it inoperable.

Overlooked in the debate over settlements is that even if Israel were to accept Phase I of the Road Map, that would leave in place the entire settlement project that has already been developed, with decisive U.S. support, to ensure that Israel will take over the valuable land within the illegal ‘separation wall’ (including the primary water supplies of the region) as well as the Jordan Valley, thus imprisoning what is left, which is being broken up into cantons by settlement/infrastructure salients extending far to the East. Unmentioned as well is that Israel is taking over Greater Jerusalem, the site of its major current development programs, displacing many Arabs, so that what remains to Palestinians will be separated from the center of their cultural, economic, and sociopolitical life.”

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22777.htm

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By Virginia777, June 5, 2009 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

I think words are important, really important.

A change in tone that opens up greater tolerance, that says we are not going to so favor one side over the other anymore, that is so important right now.

Sure, there is so far to go. Apart from Obama, how is the Media going to respond to this new Tolerance?

not too well, if their behavior up till now is any indication.

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By Ed Harges, June 5, 2009 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

re: By Inherit The Wind, June 5 at 2:57 pm:

ITW, I honestly thought that Seph was an Israeli citizen and lived in Israel. She takes a sort of “you really have to live in Israel or you just can’t understand” tone when talking about Israel. You never sound like that. You and I disagree on Israel, but I never got the impression you weren’t a citizen and resident of the US. You sound totally American to me.

Anyway, I’ve done a search of her posts, and I find that indeed she says she doesn’t live in Israel. Well, she must spend half the year there, the way she talks. But anyway, she also says that she feels she can’t pressure Israelis to do anything because she doesn’t live there.

Think about that. Our government lavishly and virtually unconditionally supports Israel, but we Americans “can’t put any pressure on the Israelis to do anything” because we don’t live there? Would she say the same if it were some other country to which we were giving this kind of support?

(I know the hypothetical is a little hard to imagine, given that in the history of the frickin’ world there has surely never been another case of a country pampering and idolizing another country to such an extreme degree.)

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By tahitifp, June 5, 2009 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Cockburn from Counterpunch lays it out fairly well and even-handedly IMO.
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“I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, “ Obama declared in Cairo, “and I have ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed by early next year.” Vivid in the minds of many Muslims listening to this passage would have been the fate at the start of this week of Muhammad Ahmad Abdallah Salih—a 31-year old Yemeni who had been in a wire cage since February, 2002 (more than seven years) without charges and declared by his U.S.  military jailers “an apparent suicide”.  Salih, on hunger strike, was down to 85 pounds.

http://www.counterpunch.org/

His lofty rhetoric does not match the facts on the ground, especially when he talks of peace and justice.

I’m waiting to see what meaningful actions follow.  Based on the bailouts here, I’m not hopeful. No matter what good he’s able to do, it’ll have to be designed to benefit corporate profits.

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Virginia777, June 5 at 2:13 pm #

ITW: Ed Harges is a Liberal. Liberals are what Fascists hunt.
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No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus.  Harges cannot advocate stripping an American of her right to vote and citizenship merely for disagreeing with her and be a liberal.

Harges is a radical leftist, not even vaguely interested in anything but dogmatic adherence and compliance to HIS POV.

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By Virginia777, June 5, 2009 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

he DID make action, just action you can’t see. Imagine how American Muslims are feeling right now, they have finally been acknowledged by an American president, in a good light! (imagine!)

this is big, this speech.

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By Ed Harges, June 5, 2009 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

To those who wonder why some of us refuse to be inspired by this speech:

There are so many reasons for continued discouragement, it’s hard to know where to begin to explain our uninspiredness.

But anyway, let’s just take one example.

After what the pro-Israel thugs were able to do to Charles Freeman, without Obama’s lifting a finger to oppose them, or voicing a peep of complaint, how the frick can we take heart from a mere speech?

We’ve had plenty of speeches. We need action. Until I see Obama succeeding in forcing meaningful concessions from Israel, no speech means a g. d. thing. Smack Israel down hard, and really make it stick. Then I’ll be impressed.

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By Virginia777, June 5, 2009 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

ITW: Ed Harges is a Liberal. Liberals are what Fascists hunt.

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By Virginia777, June 5, 2009 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

I thought Obama gave a beautiful speech that was very brave.

I think he reached out well to each side fairly, and that is huge for American international politics.

Bravo, Obama.

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By Folktruther, June 5, 2009 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

I don’t think that Muslims will be as easily deceived as the Americans by Obama’s speech, although we will have an indication of htat in a few days in the Lebanon election.  But as Jennipher Loewenstein, an academic and Mideast specialist, pointed out today in a piece on Counterpunch, what Obama and Netanyahu are arguing about is the vocabulary to discribe continued ethnic cleansing and war not any change in US policy. 

The speech ruled out any change in US policy from the Bushite Roadmap for Peace.  Even the Zionist NYTimes wrote an editoral implying that vacuous genealizations are not enough, anc some token actual changes are needed.  Otherwise its business as usual for Obama, rhetoric promining change, policies the same as before.  Change You Can Believe In.

Ed, I think it perfectly legitimate that Sepharad vote in both Israeli and American elections, and any others of countries that she is citizens of.  The electoral process of capitalist Democracies are largely fraudulent and, as Anacissie continues to point out, it doesn’t much matter who you vote for.  But it is also a progressive thing to have people be citizens of as may countries as possible, enlarging their worldviews to include more earthpeople.

The problem with Sepharad is not that she is a citizen of Israel, but that she arugues consistently, albeit subtly, in favor of war and ethnic cleansing (although she appears to be really kind to her horsies.  I understand that Eichmann was also a good family man and fond of his cat.) Whether Sepharad is financed by a Zionist entity or not isn;t of crucial importance: she is a professional journalist and obviously follows the Israel line no matter who is in power.

At one time I thought that the Zionist tail was wagging the US neoliberal ruling class, but Anarcissie, and Sepharad, convinced me I was mistatken.  Zionisn is a tool of the US ruling class, like right wing religion, and Israeli’s dead end policy is largely a function of US interests. The US has such financial and military weapons over Israel that it could easily force a two state solution, but then it would largely lose Israel as a Mideast weapon. Obama is now an articulate spokesman for those traditonal interests.

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By Robert, June 5, 2009 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

June 5 -7, 2009

New Rhetoric for the Coloner-Settler Project

How Much Really Separates Obama and Netanyahu?

By JENNIFER LOEWENSTEIN


“In broaching the subject of Palestine, Obama reminds us first of the “unbreakable” bond of friendship and interests that tie together Israel and the United States; of the importance of remembering the past history of suffering and persecution as the primary justification for the establishment of a Jewish ‘homeland’. Of course, we must not forget the Palestinian Muslims and Christians who suffered ‘dislocation’ for 60 years, or since the establishment of this Jewish State, and who also long for a homeland. Their suffering, Obama correctly describes, is ‘intolerable.’ He is able to state this, however, because it underscores the political necessity of the two-state vision he intends to implement, one that differs only minimally from the ‘no Palestinian state’ vision of his Israeli counterpart, Binyamin Netanyahu. In the reductive historical context Obama then provides us with in which Israel has suffered from “hostility and attacks” from “within its borders and well as beyond” (Where might “Palestine” be in all this area?) the only solution is the one the US and Israel alone have been rejecting for the past 61 years, namely, two states for two people. What is new and innovative in Obama’s vision is that the ‘two-state solution’ he is aiming for will now conform to the ‘no-Palestinian-state’ requirement of the revisionist Jewish State since Jabotinsky’s day; a solution that Netanyahu and his predecessors (in Israel and the US) have fostered for so long and with such care.

Obama’s brilliance in embracing the self-same rejectionist stance of his predecessors, by employing the language of the two-state solution, is equaled only by Netanyahu’s honesty in rejecting any such reality. For Obama, the Palestinian State he seeks to create can be fostered by Israel’s willingness to cease any further settlement construction. Obama makes it clear that “The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.” These settlements? What about the ones already existing? The ones that have utterly destroyed the territorial integrity of the West Bank over the last four decades? The ones comprising half a million illegal Jewish settlers – and growing – that are completing the annexation of East Jerusalem as I write; that are serving to justify continued home demolitions on a near daily basis; that have systematically and methodically displaced the people who have lived on this land for millennia? Where is Obama’s plan to restore these people to their land?”

http://www.counterpunch.org/loewenstein06052009.html

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By Ed Harges, June 5, 2009 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

Re: By Sepharad, June 5 at 1:41 am:

Sepharad, you speak in such detail about the minutiae of Israeli politics, you express such a completely citizen-like interest in Israel’s welfare, I honestly thought you must be an Israeli citizen able to vote in Israeli elections. If you can’t in fact vote in both Israeli elections and US elections, then I’m certainly glad of that.

But really, it’s pretty clear that your citizenship in the US is one of convenience. You are like a lot of American Jews who have bought the Zionist ideology: America is just part of the launching plan for the magnificent superpower Israel planned in your dreams.

As soon as America’s slavish loyalty and largesse has finished building that magnificent new mega-Israel — destroying America in the process — you’ll cash in on your automatic Israeli citizenship option and move into a condo built over the dead bodies of those icky Arabs we helped eliminate for you.

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By DMFD, June 5, 2009 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

Blah, blah, blah.  More BS that he is shelling out.  Let’s take a look at a part of this speech from the messiah that none of the media picked up on or just plain avoided: “it was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra.” While the word “algebra” comes from Arabic word (al-jabr, ?????), its origins can be traced to the ancient Babylonians, who developed an advanced arithmetical system with which they were able to do calculations in an algebraic fashion. “our magnetic compass and tools of navigation”. The compass was invented in ancient China sometime before the 2nd century, and was used for navigation by the 11th century. The dry compass was invented in medieval Europe around 1300; “our mastery of pens and printing”. Once again, the muslims did not invent this either.  It was discovered in China around 220 and not found in Egypt until the 4th century; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Really?  “Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires” Ever heard of the Romans?; I could go on. 

Let’s get one thing straight, I am not bagging on the muslims or islam.  Just wanted to point out a couple of things.  Peace

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By maryos3, June 5, 2009 at 6:53 am Link to this comment
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Hi, I agree with Frank Goodman, Sr. posted at 7:51 AM.I too think that this is the right thing to do.  Obama was extending an olive branch of sorts to his audience.  I give Obama credit for going there and giving this speech.  The audience seemed to agree on points that he made.  We need someone like Obama to bring people together to discuss what is wrong in this world.

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By Purple Girl, June 5, 2009 at 5:00 am Link to this comment

THANK YOU,for printing the speech. I’d like to think the IDIOTS who are complaining he didn’t touch on certian topics ( Democracy,Terrorism) will be able to see their stupidity in black & White. Unfortunatley the Right wingers have consistently proven that anything over 2 1/2 pages not written in Day Glo Crayon is beyond their comprehension.
And as for those Like N.O.W.-Hillary Was never the Best candidate, never the best at championing womens causes and could have never pulled off that part of the speech on women’s rights with any real effect, it would have fallen on deaf ears or been quickly dismissed. Kudos Mr. President!!
There are no Magic Wands to make all the problems go away, but there are transformative people- and President Obama is proving to be one of them.

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., June 5, 2009 at 4:51 am Link to this comment

RE: Sepharad, June 5 at 1:41 am

Your comment, though out of mainstream, is disturbing in that you do not see the crux of the problem. You advocate separation. That is exactly the wrong way. United they stand, divided they fall.

That is the Jewish problem in all time. Abba Eban showed it clearly in his writing. Jews have always tried to stay separated from the rest of humanity. Through centuries of the diaspora, they formed ghettos or were forced into them because they wanted only to live among their own. They wanted their own religion blocking all other, they wanted their own laws blocking all others, they wanted to stay pure Jewish. If they had succeeded in becoming a new species, that would have been practical. We are the same species of animal on this planet. Man moves toward cooperation, not separation and the idea of superman and super race. A gift of God to one ethnic branch of the species is in violation of the move toward human rights and commerce on the planet.

No! The solution is one state with recognition of all of the rest of mankind as represented by the United Nations. A long cleansing of hatred and civil rights for all would clean up the issue. New generations of Jews and Muslims must wipe out millennia of hatred and exclusiveness to bring mankind together in cooperative living. The rest of the religions are further along in that regard than Jews and Muslims. Though Muslims are a model for elimination of racial divides, they expect it only under the umbrella of Islam. Human rights know no religion, race, nationality, or ethnic peculiarity.

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By Fadel Abdallah, June 5, 2009 at 4:48 am Link to this comment

Yesterday I made my 4-cents worth evaluation of Obama’s much anticipated speech in Cairo. Rhetorically, I give this speech by Obama, et.al. an “A” grade, but as usual I made my own reservations about the concrete outcome of such rhetoric. As I predicted there is and there will be a lot of reaction, for long time to come, to such speech. Here below are links to three articles that are already critical of the speech, for those who care to expand there horizon on this subject!
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Obama In Cairo: A New Face For Imperialism
By Patrick Martin

http://www.countercurrents.org/martin050609.htm

“The speech delivered by US President Barack Obama in Cairo yesterday was riddled with contradictions. He declared his opposition to the “killing of innocent men, women, and children,” but defended the ongoing US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the US proxy war in Pakistan, while remaining silent on the most recent Israeli slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza. These wars have killed at least one million Iraqis and tens of thousands in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories…”
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The Grim Picture Of Obama’s Middle East
By Noam Chomsky

http://www.countercurrents.org/chomsky050609.htm

“A CNN headline, reporting Obama’s plans for his June 4 Cairo address, reads ‘Obama looks to reach the soul of the Muslim world.’ Perhaps that captures his intent, but more significant is the content hidden in the rhetorical stance, or more accurately, omitted…”
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Obama In Cairo: A Bush In Sheep’s Clothing?
By Ali Abunimah

http://www.countercurrents.org/abunimah050609.htm

“His speech shows little real change. In most regards his analysis maintains flawed American policies intact…”

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By Inherit The Wind, June 5, 2009 at 4:46 am Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 5 at 1:11 am #

Re: By Sepharad, June 4 at 7:19 pm:

Sepharad writes: “This speech of Obama’s has made me feel better about having voted for him….”

Oh, really, Sepharad?

Um, does it bother anybody else here that people like Sepharad get to vote in US elections? Does this bother anybody else but me, given that Sepharad is obviously Israeli and primarily loyal to Israel, a country which has a stranglehold on US foreign policy, a country whose lobby is so powerful in the US that it doesn’t even have to register as a foreign lobby or abide by the restrictions placed on all other foreign lobbies in the US?

Sepharad, dear: given the massive financial largesse, military aid, diplomatic cover, and other special privileges that the US lavishes on Israel, given all the wars we fight and threaten to fight for your grandiose notion of Israel’s “security”, I think all Americans should be able to vote in Israeli elections. Until we can, you really should have the good grace to keep your royal chosen nose out of our elections.
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So…this is the Ed Harges “New Freedom and Liberty”: 

Anyone who disagrees with Ed on Israel and Palestine must de facto be an Israeli citizen and should be stripped of their US citizenship and right to vote.

Sounds just like Aryan Brotherhood and KKK krap to strip Americans of their right to vote if they are not Caucasian and Protestant Christian.

Fascism, pure and simple.  Disagree with Ed and lose your citizenship.

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