Garth,
If I believed in Posperity Christiaanity I would already have bailed out. I am permanantly disabled with a degenerative nerve disorder. I believe in God because He has strengthened me to go through this trial, Maybe you believe in prosperity christianity but those of us suffering in pain don’t I believe in the same Christianity that opened Orphanages and stopped child prostitution and infanticide the same as christians who faced the lions in the Collusium, the same christianity that allowed a 96 year old man to face the Fire at the Stake after saying “Eighty and four years has my Savior served me how could I deny Him now.”  the same Christianity that served many in Russia sent to the Gulags, and China to the slave work camps, the same Christianity that helpped the downtroden and spoke out against Slavery. It is not a shallow inch deep and mile wide consummer christianity that unfortunately prevaids America today, so don’t judge me as you seem to have judged Christianity bais based on what the Liberal News Medea has missrepresents as Christianity. Real Christianity doesn’t run at the sight of hard times but does everything it can to help those in need like nursing plague victims when the rest cut and ran, many of those early Christians died because of their compassion so when you make fun of real Christianity you do them a grave disservice.
    Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
      John R. Bloxson Jr.

I’m surprised Terry Sanford, Republican Governor of SC who disappeared from office to be with an Argentinian woman for Father’s Day didn’t bring up abortion to try to muster some support. 
Alas, it began so innocently.  Sanford and his mujer exchanged emails.  He simply wanted to know if she knew anything about the validity of the advertising claims of Enzyte.  Probably a poor opener for a Christian from South Carolina.
I think that Vitters of LA, Ensign of NV and now Sanford of SC misheard Tip O’Neill’s adage.  They thought he said, “All pillow talk is local.”

As the spokesman for the IULLA, the International Union of Left Liberal Abortionist, let me state our goal unequivocally, before I slip into a comma and my European health insurance coverage lapses.  We see abortion as a growth business in the coming millenium, maybe even the next bubble if the Cap & Trade scheme falls through.
We strongly adhere to the belief in Prosperity Christianity that if you simply say a few words with your head bowed and donate of your total income (tithe) to one of our subsidiaries, you will prosper beyond your wildest dreams and so will we. 

Professor Harold Hill

Their are thousands of couples in America that would love to raise a child, or children for that matter. We Pro-Life never said that a woman had to keep the child Adoption is a viable option. Why is it that the Pro-Abotortionist all ways claim we as pro-Life want the Biologicl parents to raise the child It is best if they can, but if not their are plenty of us waiting for Babies we biologically can’t have so stop pulling the wool over your argumental lies liberals, and recognize that their are many Pro-Lifers willing to adopt and care for these children that you are throwing away at this point they aren’t being given a voice! Life does begin at Conception almost every Doctor will agree with that. But The fact that 1.5 million estamated children were aborted this year alone that is more than the people murdered at Aushwitze at its peak in 1944 so please come back to reality, allows these children a chance at Life Liberty and the persuit of Happiness they deserve no less then you or I, if we want to be a culture that values life rather then Death. Look at Europe where suicide is becomming all to common, where you can abort because it isn’t the right sex, where life has become cheaper than the Cod Fish. Pro-Abortionist look at your values and find the value of Life again instead of becomming a society of death, where 75 yr olds are forced to committ suicide because their medical bennifits in Europe have run out, or they have been refussed treatment because the Universal healthcare they grew to depend on has now decidedd they are nolonger valualble members of Society Do you really want that culture of Death here in the United States. Remember Liam Niesans wifes fall and got a bump on the head they didn’t think a better diagnosis was needed, she lapsed into a comma and Life support was terminated all because the Universal healthcare deemed that further test were unneeded.  America Tiller was Wrong but so was the Pervert that murdered him and two wrongs never make a right so stop lumping all Pro-Life people in with him and don’t lump all doctors in the same category as Tiller. He illegally proformed late term abortions for the most stuppid of reasons, but agian That never condones the murder of Dr. Tiller. I am tired of the left always lumping all po-life people in the same way the Klan lumps all people of color, or the Nazi’s lumps all Jewish people. Step back and look at what you are doing Death comes to all of us naturally, so why rush it along? There are health reason to not have an abortion such as lowering if not preventing Breast Cancer and Ovarian Cancer. I am not saying that not having an abortion will automatically prevent these cancers what I am saying is why add to the risk that haredity may already have given you?
    Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
      John R. Bloxson Jr.

Yes, I still see the value that,
“It’s alright to kill 60,000 babies, but not alright to kill a 1 inch fish that is destroying the once valuable San Joqien valley of California throwing 40,000 people out of work and putting every Farm and Ranch on the chopping block. We seem to care more about some stupid little fish than human beings we have so devalued the human life while giving great value to a little 1 inch fish ....”
The left says that it is too bad that we couldn’t have killed 60,001 babies. When were you born by the way?

I still see this double stadard of bias among the socially liberal and leftist. It’s alright to kill 60,000 babies, but not alright to kill a 1 inch fish that is destroying the once valuable San Joqien valley of California throwing 40,000 people out of work and putting every Farm and Ranch on the chopping block. We seem to care more about some stupid little fish than human beings we have so devalued the human life while giving great value to a little 1 inch fish so yes the left will call me a fanatic though I have never thought of killing a rabid ecoligist or a pro-Abortionist I would venture to say also that probably 99% of those of us who are pro-Life would denounce tillers behavior we would not use a Gun to silence Him. But you won’t believe that to you on the left every christian that is pro-life is another extremest in the making that is like saying every leftist is another bomber Bill Ayers in the making. The truth you are unwilling to accept is that we live in a sin sick world where sin is glorified not frowned upon. Sin is rappidly destroying our culture and those of us speaking out are now branded as biggots and Hate mongers. As for the remark it’s her own body that isn’t true either the baby is burned with saline or cut into peices or scraped of the uterian wall. or a partial birth is induced but the needle is stuck into the base of the babies skull a solution of salene is used and when the baby stops screaming and all motor function ceases a vacum tube is stuck into the slit made by a scapel in the base at the back of the skull and the last indignity is done as the brain mater is sucked out and the skull is crushed that my friend is not the womans body suffering these barbaric indignaties but the baby, so that puts the lie to its my body its not the womans body even if it is in the womans Body it is still a body of a human being that is being destroyed. That is wrong and there is no excuses that justifies any form of Abortion. But again it is between that person who chooses to have an abortion and God, and it is between the doctor and nurses who proform the abortion and God. Mark my words we were made in the Image of God and every abortion deminishes us but it is God who will ultimatly judge each one of us based on His ability to read our hearts.
      Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
        John R. Bloxson Jr.

Pro lifers, please accept my humblest apologies, as Truthandundies obviously speaks for all pro lifers and as he mentions, I really never actually read what I posted, just conjecture on my part, one could actually say fantasy.

As fanatics believe in their cause, reason has no place being in the room.

On the other hand Truthandundies I was not referring to your comments, only because I find them not referable. Little Ones Post comes to mind and many others, again not yours!

Lefeller,
I don’t no where you are reading such bolonanga most of us pro-Life condemned the cold blooded murder of Dr. Tiller. You’ve continually blindly exspuosed your own major Bias by trying to paint All Pro-Lifers with with you blatant Bigotry. This is no differant than some painting all American converts to Islam the same way because one muslim convert gunned down two soldiers just back from basic training He says the murders were justified and under Sharia law he is right but there’s one catch we don’t recognize Sharia law atleast not yet but it seems severl of Obama’s pick for the federal Bench all say they can see a day when both English Common Law, and Sharia Lawwork hand in hand. The young 23 year old Muslim convert does not represent all Muslim convert and one rabid Militia man doesn’t represent the vast majority of those of us who are Pro-Life. Was Dr. Tiller wrong yes was the guy who gunned him down wrong yes you and I know that two wrongs don’t add up to a right and most of us in the Pro-Life group do not think of this man as one to imulate He was a craven coward hidding behind a false front and you blame the false front for the individuals act and bad choice yet if Hugo Chevez steals personal property in his country that’s alright, or a tyrant murders 1 million christians in Chad thats not your concern, or if a Tyrant in Sudan allows the murder of nearly 400,000 people and it’s not my problem. So What I am saying to you is take the 4X12 out of your own eye then you can talk about the splinter in anothers eye.
    Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
      John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S. Doc Tiller was not clean but He was going to face the one an only true Judge one day, so We didn’t have to judge Him. Only one individual not even a Christian; but a wolf in sheeps clothing committed the murder, and he will also have to answer to the same Judge for the breaking of His Commandment You will not committ Murder. Exodus 20:13

We keep hearing from the death squad pro life crowd, how Tillers death is awful but not as bad as abortion. 

Over and over we hear how, Tillers death was sad or awful, “but”, “however”, “though”, always a qualifier, followed with a lengthy sermon on the evils of Tillers work. Hypocrisy is so apparent, one would suppose even to the mindless imbeciles who spew it. Pulling the trigger seems a small stopping point for now, demented glee seems forthcoming in these sermons. It is only death for the cause. 

Fanatics who kill for their cause have no option because the cause is all they have,  hate fills every pore of their being.  No longer an individual, the fanatics holy cause becomes an obsession, a need to address perceived grievances.  Misfits like the fanatic who killed Dr. Tiller are no different in their cause then a suicide bomber in Iraq or Israel, except Dr. Tiller fanatic killer decided not to die for his cause.

As our society degrades into the depths of hate, reason has no chance. Little One’s post is a tribute to hate and death. A constant reminder qualifying and rectifying obsessive feelings, refined and cultivated as a means of making the killing more palatable in the deluded mind.

It should be noted the fanatics mind is set in stone and believed to be as righteous and pure as the new driven snow. So when Junior fanatics qualify death of opponents to the cause, it should be expected.

Leonard Zeskin appearing on Amy Goodman’s DemocracyNow! reminded me of the ideas of Webster Tarpley and Robert Fisk.  This is synthetic terrorism.  These crazy groups that resort to this sort of violence seemingly out of hand are probably well-maintained crackpots that serve as useful idiots for the CIA, some foundations, the zionists and who knows who else or how many other governmental agencies around the world.
One thing that seems suspicious is that this Zeskin started talking about the right-wing conspiracy theorists and their distrust and misunderstanding of the Federal Reserve, as if implying that everyone knows that in the Federal Reserve it’s just us chickens.
I think the criticism of the Federal Reserve and any level of discomfort that that might bring to the moneyed elite and the power stucture is getting a little too common, a little too ‘out there’.  It might cause a stir, and no one wants that, do they?  We don’t want to be called, “conspiracy theorists.”  We believe in God, the Holy Roman Empire, the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, Evangelicalism, Revelations, Moses, the Torah, the Talmud and all the rest, but I’ll be damned if I am going to believe my own eyes.

garth,
I am saddened by you blatent bigotry just because a small minority of people calling themseleves Christians do somthing bad, you would paint all Christians in the same light there are many fanatic liberals and leftist out their but not all liberals are fanatics, nor are all leftist. But because one murderer said he wants to become a priest or preacher after he as served his sentence you want to point the finger at religion as the culpret well I could say every leftist is a backer of Stalinest Ideoligy; but is it true, No the same is true with Evangelicals most of us may protest Abortions as wrong but we will not bomb a clinic, or murder an Abortion Doctor. They will be Judged by a much higher power that of Jesus christ at one of three judgments the Bema seat where true Christians will be judged, the judgment at the end of the Great Tribulation or at the Great White Throne Judgment at the very end of time. So there is no need for us to take the law into our own hands. Teller did murdered in cold blood 60,000 Babies over his thirty two year career and he braged about it on his web site but that stil wasn’t what got him murdered. The same being that ordered the murder of 3000 people on 911 and the murders of 6 million in Europe, and the slaughter of muslim men, and boys in Serbia, and 1 million in Ruwanda Satan is his name. Have you ever heard of the wolves in sheeps clothing just because a man says he’s a Christian doesn’t make him one. So Stop trying to make all christians couplable it is like saying all Muslims are terrorist you know that it isn’t true but if it spreads your own hate speach it’s all right to degrade all Christians as fanatics. Well I can play this game as well just because a few of you liberals are fanatic haters doesn’t make all liberals haters so give us the same curtesy we don’t all plan the murdersof one Abortion Dotor, we don’t plan to blow up any clinics and we don’t plan to force all liberals into gulags as the leftist did with all true Christians in mother Russia for 72 years. I am tired of the double standard you and some others live with so can it. We are all sinners are have you never heard that said before and we all desrve death, But God made a way for us to be saved and it’s not by murdering Abortion Doctors are Protestants and Catholics killing each other. It is not good works that saves you It is by Faith in the Biblical Jesus Christ and the acceptance of Him as LORD and Savour there is no other way. But I will not force you to believe it at the point of a sword or gun which would only cheapen What I believe. You are a free agent with the right to believe or not believe to accept or not accept. I have no control over what you believe but I do have a right to point out your duoble standards for what they are it’s called free speach and it is a right granted us in the Constitution of the U.S.A.
    Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
      John R. Bloxson Jr.

I think Jill Filipovic of Feminist Magazine has it right.  Tiller’s murder was an act of organized terrorism.
Ignored by the FBI who are supposed to investigate terrorists threats, the abortion clinic kept reporting this man’s behavior.  However, the FBI and the U.S Attorney’s office did nothing. 
A at John Salvi, the murderer who killed 4 clinic workers in Brookline MA in 1994 might give a clue as to the forces that are behind these assassinations.
Salvi told an interviewer from his jail cell that when this incident was behind him he wanted to become a priest.  Where could that idea possibly have come from?  The news media painted it as an anecdote to show how insane this young man was.  My guess, however, was that he was coached and coaxed to perform these killings.
Scott Roeder, the supposedly deranged killer of Dr. Tiller, I’m sure, has ties to the Evangelical religious right.
These terrorists groups, the ones within the Catholic Church and the ones affiliated with the Protestant evangelical churches ought to be investigated.
Interesting news bit

Joe Scarborough’s pro bono representation of Dr. Gunn’s killer in Pensacola Fla. earned him his bones in that far right-wing section of the state and gave him enough media attention to enable him to defeat the incumbent pro-abortion congessional representative in their next election.

It is said, the last real christian died on the cross two thousand and nine years ago, from all accounts, the last real christian would not have qualified as a fanatic. 

It is said Santa Claus is not a fanatic, though he has a cause, his cause is not a holy cause or one of grievance, and Santa is still an individual.

Now, Truthandundies seems to have a cause, a holy cause and what of degree of grievance?  Reason seems to be lacking, so maybe the cause is real, but the group is not fully in place.  Casues for the fanatic must have levels of obtainment or degrees of intensity, maybe like the boy scouts getting medals?

Fanatics may be like insects, they go through stages and become a butterfly.

To: Trithoverlies

You’re damned right I’m fanatical against Christians. I live in a country they aren’t supposed to rule, but I’ve watched their hate groups slowly invade everything until they finally have enough power over people to dictate their lives and oust anyone who will not fall under their sway.

I’ve watched them take over the military, good men and women thrown out on their heels because they didn’t go to the “right church” or didn’t believe “the right thing”. I’ve watched men and women thrown out of their civilian jobs, unable to get another one because the “christian coalition” run all through town and they have blackballed the offender because that person and their family are simply not “the right kind” (wink wink). I’ve seen towns turned into “christian strongholds” and everyone who isn’t “the ragh-t kahnd” have to abandon their homes along with their kids and go out into a world where they just run into the same. I’ve worked with ex-NASA people who were forced to quit or thrown out of the program entirely because the CHRISTIANS wormed their people into the program during the Bush Administration and science was right out because they were put there to silence science and reinforce their “creationism”. I’ve watched towns passed laws (and live in one myself!) that state employers DO have the right to make their workers attend the church of the employer’s choosing, attend “bible meetings” at work, OFF THE CLOCK, and have to “donate” to their employer’s church whether they want to or not. Enforced donation is called “blackmail” when it involves keeping your job, right? I’ve listened to their smarmy bullshit on the airwaves, watched them happily turn their kids over to “Jesus Camps” and sat in on their softly spoken tirades in different churches (just so I knew first-hand what these fuckers actually say) and heard hate spewed for everyone who isn’t one of “them”. These “christian” preachers speak against not only gays, but other religions (including “christians” they don’t consider the “right kind”), they “urge” their brethren to “vote the right way” for the “right people”, they preach bullshit about changing laws and now that they ARE powerful, they ARE changing laws against the Constitution, they take money from people, mildly say, “Well, he and his family just won’t take up the word of Go-hod, so ... well, so ah think as a ... communiteh, we should withhold ouah business from him. As the Lahord says, heh heh a-aheh ... hit ‘em in the pocketbook and they WILL come aro-hounD!”

I don’t want to hear about “all” christians. I AM a fanatic at stopping their hold on this country and any others. I am their enemy because I speak against them and they (and you) call that “christian bashing”, but when people like me pull out the facts on their asses and demand this government, on ALL levels down to the dog catcher remove these hateful, Nazi-inspired, evil power-mongers who don’t believe in any god really because if god won’t “punish” all of us who won’t go over to their way, their whole ideology is, “Well god, fuck you! If you won’t take care of these people and force them under your wing, we’ll just say it’s what you want because who would DARE speak against ANYONE saying they were doing ‘The Lord’s Work’”?

I am fanatical in demanding these assholes be struck down and I mean HARD. I want their churches back-taxed from the day a shovel bit into the ground to start building. I want a full accredidation of ALL the monies coming in and through those shitholes. I want ALL religiously aligned props like plastic Jesuses and crosses and “holy words” on billboards and signs and marquees taken down. I want investigations into ALL of their homes to see how badly the children have been abused both physically and mentally. I want LAWS in place to “protect the chillldren” from mind-bending, mind-warping hatred and lies these people tell, and if needed, I want State run orphanages run entirely by atheists to raise these children.

I want to hit them where they can’t recover. Through the Constitution and its laws. I want them to no longer consider themselves a “protected species”. And I want every cowtowing politician tried publicly and executed for their traitorism against this country and its people and laws.

Same thing my aunts fought for against the Nazis in France. And they were hung from lamp posts for it, but they did it anyway. Christians ARE the new Nazis. And only a fake-assed christian who threw away christ and made themselves god because nothing answered wouldn’t see how ugly, hateful and damned dangerous they are.

Funny, the actual “Christians” are on our side, not yours.

When the going gets tough, the leadership goes nuts.

Confused after the Twin-towers incident, the leadership lashed out at the nearest target, old smarty-pants, Saddam Hussein.

Got a economic diaster, bet the farm on a collosal spending program to bail out some banks and auto companies.

No matter that unemployment keeps rising and defecits, too. Healthcare insurance corps will need to be bailed out, too.

Mainstream media ignores the obvious but are blessed with more and more bizarre distractions, from sundry shootings to arrests of radical zanies who are overhead to threaten the security of the nation with random phones calls, emails or whatever.

Yes, the signs or confusion and fear are everywhere.

Can a major announcement be far away? They will soon announce something big that gives cause to rally around the flag.

The writing is on the wall. I am thinking it is between invasion of Paki or N. Korea. But I never guessed they would invade Iraq as a direct result of 9-11, did you?

Truthandundies,

Announcing an absolutism such as knowing something as fact? You say “I know that their fate well catch up with them after natural Death takes them as it will all mankind so why blame all Christians for what a Malitia Anti-Christ person does,”

It is very big of one to announce they would not kill an abortion doctor, how does that relate to killing for other reasons? 

An ability to use reason, means to have an open mind, and be able to demonstrate open discussion. If one proclaims to know everything as a given fact, other peoples fate for example, the exchange is not a discussion but instead a telling.

It should be clear the fanatic can be left right or gay, it is the passionate hate and the holy cause which removes the individual from from his unhappy life, instead to the blind support of a group, which can be proreligion or anti religion.  The cause, seems we see a cause in the fanatics telling.

WykydRed,
You are being no less fanatical in your denounciation of Christianity then the left wing militiaman that pulled the trigger no one had to egg him on. Hate was there He was a loose canon cocked and ready to go off whether it had ben the Government, or Dr. Tiller, or a Army Recuiting Station. I believe Abortion is wrong but would never try to kill an Abortion Doctor I know that their fate well catch up with them after natural Death takes them as it will all mankind so why blame all Christians for what a Malitia Anti-Christ person does, its like me blamming all Muslims for what is being done by about 300 million Radical Muslims do and think. You are being as judgmental of Christianity as Usama Ben Laden is of Western Civilization. The Liberal can dish it out but will refuse to take it when we point out your own bias. The guy who killed Dr. Tiller was no more a christian than I am a Buddhist which means he was not a Christian just as I am not a Buddhist. But you on the liberal side in your rush to paint all Christians with the brush of intollerance are being just as intolerant as the Klan and the Nazi’s neither of which are Christians for they donot follow the teachings of a Jewish Carpenter from Nazareth. Intollerance is not a religious thing its a human thing when you point your finger at all christians it is like the Klansman burning the Cross it mocks the truth. You may not want to hear it but it is still the Truth. The 60 some year old who gunned down Dr. Tiller was already a convicted criminal even though some Clinton appointee Judge reversed the lower courts decission in the mid 90’s. He was caught with the bomb making supplies and it may have saved some lives. Whether you agreed with his Ideology are disagreed with it the murder of Dr.Tiller was craven and not condoned by Real Christianity so stop lying to your self about who is and isn’t intollerant we all have a a blind spot of Intollerance in something and if it is never pointed out we will never know it exist. My intollerance was and still is trying to claim racism is only a White problem when we should all know that is not true. Intollerance and Racism come in every color, ethnic group, and Race. But that is not a blanket excuse to continue in it. I try to be as fair as possible because I know about racism being of Jewish descent and a christian to boot I have been subjected to racism, and Bigotry. I am also overweight and have been discriminated against when applying for jobs, and now with a fifty percent hearing lose I can add a new form of discrimination so I know about being Discriminated against from a young age.
To T-Bob every murder deminishes us as human beings so Mr. Roeder was no avenging angel of mercy and neither was Dr. Tiller but still two wrongs do not make a right ever!
      Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
        John R. Bloxson Jr.

REF: Leefeller

I think I understand what you are saying, but I am only referring to your take on the murder as one of many cause-and-effect incidents that people focus on and ignore the big picture. Like looking at a balance sheet of a company or noting the speedometer on a trip to visit aunt Lucy.

I will use the example of Yossarian in “Catch 22,” recalling the incident where he was struggling to fix the superficial leg wound of a gunner in the turrent, assuring the gunner he was goning to make it, but the gunner only smiled and then died because his guts were nearly falling out.

I just am not sure our leaders actually have a clue what the hell they are doing. Only the nursery rhyme seems to fit for me, you know, the one about “Humpty Dumpty?”

(What is more, I am pretty weary of a lifetime of hearing the storytellers, the dreamweavers and the mythology to calm children ... I dunno, I just wonder if mankind should not leave the field and let the less greedy and vilent creatures prevail ... freaking out, sorry.)

One more time, in a slightly different context.  Passionate hate provides substance to an otherwise empty life. So people with this feeling of discontent in their lives try to find content in their otherwise empty lives by finding a holy cause and at the same time feeding a fanatical grievance. Dr. Tiller fulfilled both a holy cause and a fanatical grievance.

Fanatics do not need the same cause, they can change causes as they see fit, as long as the cause provides a holy ideal in their minds and addresses what they see as a grievance.

Rereading my last statement, causes can be substituted or replaced by other causes, for fanatics want to discard their individual discontent or seemingly empty lives for the grater gratifying feeling of a group cause.

If Dr. Tiller was not the fanatics cause they would have substitued another, for the passionate hate of fanatics need causes, empty lives require a cause similar to a drunk needing a drink. My premise is the fanatic needs a cause and they could move to another cause if it provides and fulfills the needs of the frantic.

The unfortunate demise of Dr. Tiller maybe should not have been used above, but it fits the perfect profile of a fanatic’s disregard of life, others as well as their own.

Hawkeye, if you read I was saying Dr. Tiller brought it on himself, you completely misinterpreted my comment.

By Trithoverlies, June 4 at 11:45 pm #

Stop Blaming the Christian right to life crowd for the actions of a Left wing militia nut

———-

NO! The religious and the irreligious who serve their “focus groups” stir the hatred. Cheer these “nuts” on. Praise them as heroes. So, NO. No we won’t quit as the pseduo-religious are to blame. EVERY religion is to blame. So no.

Stop Blaming the Christian right to life crowd for the actions of a Left wing militia nut the right wing of Politics is in fact Devine Right Monarchy at the far right, Democratic Manarchy, Socialized Monarchy, Republican Government, Democracy, Socialized Democracy, Socialism, National Socialism, Communisim, ans Anarchy. I did not like the Dr. and I use that word loosely only because he garaduated from Medical School. Dr. Tiller was gunned down not by a Christian but a self serving dangerious person who had been sentenced to prison in the mid ninties having been found with Bomb making materials, but that sentence had been overturned by a Clinton Federal District Court appointee.  I believe that Mr. Tiller will be judged by Jesus Christ at the Great White Throne Judgment at the end of time But I believe that His Killer will also be judged at that same time for the evil he commited. We are not the Judge, jury,or exicutioner of the guilty that should be left to God as in Hebrews 9:27; ” In as much as it is appoined for man to die and after this the judgment,”  My Judgment may be impaired by sin, But Jesus Christ Judgment is that of God perfect and inerrant. God also states in Deutoronomy 32:35; ” Vengence is Mine, and retribution, In due time their foot will slip; For the day of their calamity is near, And the impending things are hastening upon them.” He will be the righteous judge not man. Tiller was committing evil acts and bragged of ending 60,000 lives that is in the same neighborhood as Dr Joseph Mangala of Nazi Germany but both these men will face true justice at the feet of the one who is truly qualified to Judge them and no man has the right to become judge, jury, and exicutioner.
    Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
      John R. Bloxson Jr.

REF: LEEFELLOW

“If Dr. Tiller was not the fanatics cause they would have found another, for the passionate hate of fanatics need causes, empty lives require a cause similar to a drunk needing a drink.”

I cannot put my finger on it, but I think there is something wrong with that bit of reasoning. Reminds me of a former boss who frequently said said, “You brought it on yourself!” Whatever was the problem, old Wally would say to someone, “You brought it on yourself!”

If he was in the next seat when it happened, I bet old Wally would have turned to a slumping Abraham Lincoln and said, “Well, you brought it on yourself!”

Spoken with conviction and a furrowed brow, you assume old Wally knows something. He didn’t.

hippie chick: Thank you! All of you! People like you saved my life once. All it takes, really. Hang in there folks, and my best wishes for all of you.

Jane: Glad you got it. Some people never will.

Just wishing Dr. Tillman great peace and joy on his journey of awe.

Bob: Keep judging and hating. No one needs a god with you around. You and your fellow ilk seem to know there isn’t one there to do it, so you gotta do it for .... Well, I don’t know what for, really. Fill the hole? I hope you’ll all be vastly disappointed when you die.

Almost all thinking fetuses demand to be aborted rather than be birthed in Sudan (raped and murdered by having a rifle fired up the vagina), birthed in Bangladesh (flooded every year, malarial), or as George W. Bush—psychopathic murderer, torturer, war ciminal, etc.
My mom was SO proud of her illegal abortion in the 30’s.  She’d taken her life into her own hands, gotten my dad’s assent and not brought a child into abject poverty.  I was conceived later, but although my life has been long and lucky, I often wish she’d had another.

Bob the Builder, they allow you in your church, with the thoughts you must have, of retribution and justified homicide (your plea for life for the perp, notwithstanding)?  Kansas is a state of a diverse lot of people, and the women and men who supported Dr. Tillers work before, are even more resolved to support the availability of it now he’s gone.  I have heard from healthcare workers who knew him, who attest to his compassion and commitment, and who never before talked about it.  You watch, we are not made afraid by the assassination, but are strengthened.

Passionate hate is used by fanatics to fill the empty void in their misfitted lives.  As the true fanatic looks at others thorough their hate filled eyes, seeing others allegedly havering more than they even a seemingly simple happy life of others, feeds the fanatics hate.  Reason is absent, compassion is not an option only the raw emotion hate of the fanatic of hate provides meaning to their lives as a group cause the support is in the fellowship. No individuals here!

Interesting, passionate hate can be just about anything perceived as differences or inequities seemingly perceived injustices by the mindless group, hating together in unison.  Praying together,  feeding and propagating a growing hate.  Individuals become a group a movement of fanatics, truning the misfitted life of the individual into the movement, the cause now the feeling of fulfillment through a cause.

Propaganda for the cause finds few converts, instead the fanatic in his or her discontented life finds the cause, usually not the other way around.  Propaganda only reassures and feeds the fanatics hate for the cause.

If Dr. Tiller was not the fanatics cause they would have found another, for the passionate hate of fanatics need causes, empty lives require a cause similar to a drunk needing a drink.

Outraged, June 4 at 4:45 am #

Great question.  This question is always omitted from the debate.  Females of the human species are not asexual.  For every abortion obtained by a woman, the sperm supplier should be given a forced vasectomy.  That’ll end the controversy.
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LOL!

Not every abortion is a “convenience”.  When there are extreme problems like major spina bifida (lots of open vertebrae) and the brain outside the brain case, only religious fanatics who don’t have deal with a child who requires 24hour med care, never has a conscious mind, and dies in infancy would condemn an abortion.

Only a religious fanatic would demand that a woman DIE rather than have a tubal pregnancy aborted.  Because in tubal pregnancies there are 3 outcomes:
1) Miscarriage (if the woman is lucky)
2) Abortion
3) The woman and the fetus both die

That’s it. That’s what happens. If that ain’t medically necessary then NO medical treatment is EVER necessary no matter what—you’re just supposed to suffer and die.  That’s the moral extrapolation from their POV.  There’s even a formal religion for that: It’s call First Church of Christ, Scientist.

(Start Part 3 - A conversation with God—And Bear)

God: “Not really, no. The guy was drunk most of the time. He thought everything talked to him. Once, he thought a rabbit told him I wanted him to hide in a cave with a cask of wine and a candle and think upon his life, “ God laughs. “Damn near burned the forest down,” God shakes it’s head. “Okay, you lied—a lot—when it suited your purpose, you railed against free will, you judged others, and you stole a candy bar when you were three and didn’t pay for it.”

W: “Oh, come on. Bear was three! Probably feeling a bit puckish after shopping with mommy all day! I stole the gum just ‘cause I wanted gum and mommy wouldn‘t buy it for me,” Wyky freely admits to Bear.

God: “True. Scratch that one, then. Okay, I’ve got the numbers here and I have some bad news for both of you. Wyky? You will be going to a place where there is always music. Of all kinds. From all over the world. And some bad assed rock n’ roll! Janis wants to say hi to ya, by the way.  There will be every drug and form of alcohol invented by humankind and they will be freely available everywhere. You can smoke everywhere, there are no churches, people discuss every subject and use any words they can think of. There is no censorship of any kind, most people are naked and an awful lot of them have sex. All the time, with anyone they want in as many numbers as they want. Homosexuals have all the same rights as everyone, everyone still has free will, and, really, most of them are naked. Concerts are held 24/7, entrance is free and you can bring your own booze. Feel free to laugh anywhere, anytime and as often as you like. Everyone can do whatever they like, any way they like with anyone or anything they like.”

W: “Soooo…stay out of the vegetable section at the grocery store?”

God: “Up to you, really, but I’m pretty sure you’ll enjoy walking around in there. Humans are VERY creative.”

W: “Okay, this sounds like paradise to me,” Wyky says suspiciously.

God: “Suppose you could call it that. But, the bad news is … Bear and everyone like Bear—and worse—will be there too.”

B: “God! … W-Why?! Why would you put us in there with these … godless, moral-less, GAY dope-taking, hard-drinking, wantonly sexual … animals!”

God: “Well, Bear, that’s YOUR bad news,” God grins.

B: “But….But….But…”

W: “Ha! Hahahahahahaha! I get it. Nice, one, dude!”

God: “Like I would have to come up with TWO places….Ha!”

(Start Part 2 - A conversation with God)

God: “True, true. Sorry about that.”

W: “S’okay. Shit happens, take pills.”

God: “Well, I did make an infallible plant once to stop all that breeding nonsense, but it worked so well, the Roman women ate it out of existence.”

W: “Yeah, I read about that. Dumbasses. But that’s humans for you. Consume, consume, consume. Should have made it more like Kudzu. Can’t kill that shit with fire!”

God: “Yeah, I saw a piece on that on the History Channel. Should have known, really.”

B: “The Lord God is infallible!”

God: “No I’m not! Would have never invented higher brain functions in primates, really.”

B: “Lord! How dare you! We didn’t come from apes!”

God: “You should have met the Mesopotamians! Well, I’ve gone through your record, Wyky. Man, you didn’t stop anyone from doing anything, did you?”

W: “Why should I? It’s their lives. Besides, fire can be fun.”

B: “Say that in a week, heathen.”

W: “Cork it, Sparky.”

B: “And make worms to eat her, Lord.”

God sighs. “Let’s see, you smoked, you drank … didn’t do any drugs, really. Why not?”

W: “I have an allergy to losing control of myself. Same reason I didn’t like roller coasters.”

God: “No steering wheels. Gotcha. Bear? Will you please stand up? That’s better. And stop lowering your eyes. I hate that when I’m talking to someone. Okay, Bear, your turn. You went to church?”

B: “Regularly, Lord!”

God: “And you voted for anyone who claimed they were Christian and wanted to defend the morals of everyone by stringent law-passing against … er, well, everything really?”
B: “Right, Lord! You told me you wanted me to defend your laws.”

God: “Um, well, actually, I didn’t. I never talked to people. Was afraid it would influence their free will, which it would have.”

B: “But Lord! You talked to Noah!”
(End Part 2)

And now for something completely different (yet, subject related):

One day, WykydRed and Bear are killed in separate incidents. Wyky is shot in the head by an Anti-Smoker who takes offense at her openly vaping in a bar. Bear is killed when a canoe comes shooting out of a waterfall and whacks Bear in the head really, really hard.

So, they die and find themselves in a misty, cloudy area standing in front of a guy in Bermuda shorts and a Hawaiian tee shirt featuring pineapples. He’s got a healthy tan,  and is chomping a cigar. His shirt falls open and we see a tee shirt featuring a woman in a G-string curled upside down on a pole and the words, “Support Olympic Pole Dancing”. He says his name is God.

God: “Hiya folks!”

W: Hiyas (looking around not too impressed but pleased with the illusion of god’s get up)

B: Oh Lord God! (falls flat on the cloud and trembles in fear while weeping)

God: “Nice to see you both. Sorry about the canoe there Bear. Oh, and apologies for the nut job, Wyky.

B: “It was thy will, Lord”

W: “No skin off my teeth” Wyky shrugs. “They’re everywhere.”

God: “Chirst! Tell me about it!”

W: “So how does this work? … Or is it ‘worketh’? I can never get that garble right.”

B: “Heathen! Shut thy mouth and bow before thy Lord!”

W: “It’s not ‘my lord’. I didn’t make it up! Love the shirt though.”

God: “Would it disappoint you, Bear, to know she doesn’t have to?”

B: “Yea, verily, Lord!”

God: “Gonna have to deal then, I’m afraid.”

B: “I will bow to thy will and am grateful for thy testing of me, Lord.”

God: “Jesus christ.” God shakes his head. Oddly, it keeps changing from a man’s face to a woman’s face and both morph into every version of a human on earth.

W: “Hey Bear? Have fun in heaven, dude. Looks just boring enough for your tastes.” Wyky sighs, looking around at the vague darkness and misty surroundings.

God: “Oh, this isn’t anyone’s end stop,” God grins. “This is just the lounge.”

W: “Could use a bar and some palm trees or something.”

God: “Well, can’t scare everyone right off the bat,” God grins. “Okay, Wyky? I just need a few clarifications before we get started,” A clipboard appears in God’s hands with a pen. A regular Bic, no feather.

W: “Shoot, oh great Karnak.”

B: “Lord? Could you please flay her?”

God: “Eeewww. I would say you’re joking, but (heavy sigh) I know you aren’t. So, why didn’t you believe in me?”

W: (Silently points at Bear). “And the rest of ‘em.”
God: “Yeah, they did try your patience quite a lot. But, you never shot any of them, so there’s a point on the other side of the scoreboard for ya.”

W: “What happens if I tie? Just curious. Don’t really give a shit.”

God: “I know…”

B: “Really, Lord. Flay her. Then set her in a river of excrement up to her nose holes, and THEN burn her.”

God: “Down, cowboy. Okay, Wyky, so you stole a few things, but you were a kid and you returned the gum and paid for the comic book. Another two points. Hmmmm. Let’s see, you never approved of war and shouted against it—sometimes ridiculously—you didn’t much care about money, you had an abortion, you used birth control… a LOT!”

W: “Well I was kinda a bunny. But I didn’t make my egg-laying abilities.”

(End part 1)

Re: Purplegirl

Your question: “Why is my uterus fair game for legislation and mens testicles are not?”,

Great question.  This question is always omitted from the debate.  Females of the human species are not asexual.  For every abortion obtained by a woman, the sperm supplier should be given a forced vasectomy.  That’ll end the controversy.

Hatred as seen by fanatics with such passion is normal in their minds. Such hate provides purpose,  purpose to an otherwise empty life.  Dedication to a cause which seems so holy, couples it self with their fanatical grievance.  It seems the killing of Dr. George Tiller, fulfilled both the fanatical grievance and the holy cause. 

Misfits with such profound emptiness are not individuals, they are mobs. Reason, logic even truth are not part of their agenda, for the driven fantastic, is no longer an individual person.

A fanatic will die for it’s cause, for the passion of hate is so great,  a cause provides a feeling of fulfillment to an otherwise misfitted life.

Discontented empty souls as misfits seek many causes. Seemingly to the fanatic an empty life rejects the individual self, thus becomes a hate filled fanatic, driven by a cause.  so in the intense hate filled mind of the fanatic, their cause is noble.

In the end, the fanatics hate filled mind may be the end.

To: driving bear
Re: “I do beleive that Tiller the baby killer imposed his satanic /Nazi /pro death believes on thousands of Children”

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You’re just saying that because apparently, you are one of those people I referred to as pushing YOUR beliefs on everyone else when no one wants to hear you.

And, like any backwards believer, your statement says, “Dr. Tiller imposed his ‘beliefs’ on children by ...”  How? HE went out into the streets, grabbed pregnant women, dragged them back to his clinic and forcibly aborted their feti? Because what you’re saying is that the good doctor took the initiative regardless of what the pregnant women he came in contact with wanted.

Thanks for again proving the term “religitard” is a valid word and concept….

By NYCartist, June 3 at 12:10 pm #

My comment in reply to all the religion comments by folks (as an atheist Jew), shooting someone in a church?  How religious is that?

The answer is very religious as stated in both the Jewish and Christian holy book the Torah

Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Also to
WykydRed, June 3 at 8:41 pm #
WHo said

YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE ONLY YOURS AND YOU HAVE ZERO RIGHT TO IMPOSE THEM ON ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING.

I do beleive that Tiller the baby killer imposed his satanic /Nazi /pro death believes on thousands of Children

REF: 911truthdotorg

No, 911truthdotorg, you are blinded by your intense indoctrination from birth. It makes one blind to the ways of others, blind and ruthless.

Another slippery namechanger and hater of other religions. You probably hate Islam, Buddhism, Native Americans, too. We believe in an undefined spirit world, more like the ancient Greeks. But you, 911trughdotorg, you only read the words and understand nothing.

“When the finger points to the moon, the fool stares at the finger.”

hey judi z.  you sound like a good christian, you know the judge not lest ye be judged type.  what astounds me is that you think church has anything to do with anything besides a bunch of people getting together to feel good about how good they are and how evil the rest of the world is.  christ, get a life.  oh ya he had one and wasted it on you
and hawkeye why is it that what is between “god and the shooter” is off the table, but what is between Tiller and “god” is somehow everyone’s business.  Any hypocrisy here?

Purple Girl - you rock!!

Obama needs to put all of these domestic terrorists, the groups behind the abortion doctor killers, in “Preventive Detention” along side all of the supposed Muslim terrorists they’ve held for years.

What is good for suspected Muslim terrorists should be good for suspected American terrorists.

Here is the breeding ground for these terrorists…VERY scary!

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

REF: squeakyjones

I agree with you, modern society has led to messed up schools, millions of people who failed to get necessary mothering and nuture, so they are the x generation with the xx generation coming on strong.

These mothers are only angry, greedy sperm hosts and, for the most part, welfare employees. The results are not good. A precious few decent ones escape the trap.

Most of the people who comment on the current issues are the same as the blind men describing an elephant, an incorrect and biased interpretation. Their limited perspective is very unlikely to resemble an elephant.

Nice to hear you again, Purple Girl! Love what you say and how you say it.

All this “it has to be voted on” is bullshit. No one should care what anyone else thinks on the subject of abortion. It’s entirely up to the pregnant female, end of story.

The religitards seem to think that THEIR so-called moral superiority and clear understanding of what THEIR god would want even though he never speaks up against or stops abortions give them the right to decide for all people what others can or cannot do. And when their god doesn’t say or do anything, they lie like hell and say that “god spoke to me” and told them to kill, or make laws that put restrictions on everyone outside their thin moral veneer.

It doesn’t work that way, even with women within your own religion. It’s up to each individual female who is pregnant what she wants to do. If she’s religious, it’s between her and her god, and only them.

I’ve yet to find an atheist or agnostic who gives a shit about abortion, and when they have a preference, it’s usually “the guy has to pay half”.

Funny how an individual’s right to decide anything for themselves is anathema because everyone waving a religious icon demands they live by rules other people make. I myself wouldn’t have a late term abortion. They should be done earlier, but then there are males (who are not by any definition “men” but sperm machines) out to get what they can from a woman, lie to her, promise the moon to get a little nooky or even fed on a regular basis who will say things like, “I want you to have my baby” or “let’s be a family” and when she’s eight months pregnant, tell her, “I’m bored with you and I never wanted this kid. It’s YOU who wanted it, you deal with it!” and they’re out the door.

Granted, there are females who get knocked up to “keep a man” or to hold sway over him for the rest of whatever. I’m on their side when they can prove they didn’t want to knock up a woman who already has 3 kids from 3 different fathers. If the guy makes it clear early on he didn’t want a kid and she should have an abortion, then he doesn’t have to pay for the next 18 years. Neither should the government. Let the female raise it on her own, because she’s saying, “I don’t care what you want, I want this kid so you’ll have to stay in my life whether you like it or not and I can show up on Maury and make you look like a womanizing dick.”

But until you can pull your spirit out of your body and put it into someone else’s body and force that body to do what you want it to, shut up. And if you do manage to do that, YOU have to feed, house, raise and pay all the bills for that kid. You have no right to rule anyone else.

YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE ONLY YOURS AND YOU HAVE ZERO RIGHT TO IMPOSE THEM ON ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING.

Notice how the American Taliban twists the language to exonerate them from conspiracy or at the least, complicity?

In their sick universe, Ob-Gyns become “Abortion Doctors”; assassins “shooters”; medical clinics “death mills”; and foetuses are suddenly “babies.”

Operation Rescue is the legal front of the new Murder Inc. In Ireland Sinn Fein fronted for the IRA for years; same concept. In Ireland many police (guarda) were IRA foot soldiers; a situation that hasn’t changed there, and isn’t much different here in the U.S.

Has anyone ever heard of a poll to determine where law enforcement fits into the political spectrum? Are there more Rethuglicans in the FBI, CIA, and police/sheriffs departments? Or are they representative of the communities in which they serve? It would be informative to know.

No, Amy, George Tiller didn’t have to die, and in a civil society he would still be with us. Unfortunately this is America with its caveman-like mentality: kill all who believe differently; drag your crucifix everywhere; justify your bigotry with sound-bytes and bang bang! Shoot shoot!

Why are we in Iraq & Afganistan when we have our own American Taliban denying fundamental rights to women in 89% of all U.S. counties?

Liberate the United States and transform this fascist plutocracy into a democratic republic!!!

The conservative religious right are an emigma.

On the one hand, they claim to value human life so much that they condone and even perform murder to support their “right to life” ideology.

On the other hand, once the unwanted or deformed product of rape or incest is born, they refuse to endorse social programs to support the life for which they murdered to protect.

The worst irony is that if the unwanted child matures to a life of crime, they are apparently fine with executing it.

So, based on their logic, one must conclude that life is only valuable before birth… in the case of neocons, I won’t argue that point.

There was more on today’s show http://www.democracynow.org
I liked the author, in end section of show, who wrote an article “Beware the lone nut theory”.  Takes more planning than a mentally ill person can/would do.  There is the same percentage of violence in people with mental illness as in the general society. 

Not a direct parallel, the lack of FBI and local police enforcing the law, reminded me of Viola Liuzzo’s murder in the Civil Rights Movement, as she was driving a car, shot with an FBI informant sitting in the shooter’s car, watching.

My comment in reply to all the religion comments by folks (as an atheist Jew), shooting someone in a church?  How religious is that?

Fanatics do not think, for it is forbidden!

Like the mobs at the Palin rallies, thinking was only to support the hanging, not the thinking.

Ignore the war but worry about abortion?

Emotions are conjured up by the manipulators in order to keep focus away from the real issues. It seems this conjuring is ever present, for the ignorant love to be emotional about something, for they are toothless in the real decisions anyway. So in a sense one is ignorant only because they are toothless?

Shift asks “WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE BEEN ABORTED?”

You make me laugh. You, and millions who think as you do, are suffering from some fundamental delusion that YOU ARE OF SUCH UNIQUE CHARACTER AND CONTENT THAT YOUR PRESENCE MATTERS A DAMN IN THIS UNIVERSE.

Well, maybe you do… BUT ONLY IN YOUR OWN MIND. Whether you or I was BORN or ABORTED would make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in the grand scheme of things, and VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE to anything or anyone else. Before you were born - zero. After you’re dead a few years or decades - zero. Easy come. Easy go. Dust to dust. Big whoop!

And if I had been aborted… like I WOULD KNOW OR CARE? It seems the only people to care are you few who, for some unfathomable reason, feel (and it IS “feel” not “think”) you have the right and duty to interfere with the decisions of others based, of course, on YOUR OWN INFALLIBLE VIEW OF THINGS.

What a stupid question you ask.

Religion is rooted in, “do unto others as you would have others do unto you.”  This begs the question:

WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE BEEN ABORTED?

If not then I rest my case.

Hey Hawkeye… “If you cannot persuade the majority that your way must be carried out, ...”

Where is it written that MAJORITY opinion cannot be 100% wrong? It certainly has been in the past.

The entire population of the earth once believed the EARTH WAS FLAT… that GODS & MONSTERS LIVED IN THE MOUNTAINS… that DISEASE WAS CAUSED BY BAD AIR. This is just for starters.

In a “democracy” (which is NOT what you have in the USA) each individual gets to vote on each issue. (In the USA each individual gets to vote for a representative who then gets to vote as he or she is told to by the party authorities - there’s nothing democratic about it.) I’m just as terrified of a true democratic vote on issues as I am of any other form of government. Why? Because those who would be voting are, for the most part, a BUNCH OF SHEEP who vote as their peers vote - wouldn’t want to be left out of the group! Most people have very little ability to think for themselves or to think critically. That ability was erased by brainwashing in school and church.

And pullleeeeze spare us the “will of God” baloney. Even if there was a God do you honestly think he or she has nothing better to do in running the universe than to interfere with the antics of us idiots on this planet. If you do, you’ve reach the pinnacle of ARROGANCE and self-delusion. Seek help.

Women are not considered full fledged citizens, or humans, even in this day and age in the US.
My Rights and Freedoms are reliant on whether or not I am pregnant. If I am a host to a basically parasitic life form- my right to ‘life liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ is negated.
Yet the male who inpregnanted me retains all his citizens rights and freedoms.
Why is my uterus fair game for legislation and mens testicles are not. Giving birth requires medical intervention, just as a vestectomy. Why am I forced to concede to the birth of a child and males are not forced to concede to Vescetomization?
Let’s be honest it’s not just these Holey Rollers who relegate Women to second class citizens, so do our ‘public Servants’ and Industry. Pray Tell how is it these Pharms can come up with death defying female contraceptives, while profitting hand over fist with male ‘enhancements’pills & Ointments but have yet to devise any other form of male contraceptive than a condom? Isn’t it obvious that sociologically our society too has revered male fertility while subjegating women to it.Providing the males with the safest form of birth control, while endangering women with theirs.Heres your Choice ladies risk getting pregnant or having a Stroke (or Toxic Shock)
So why should we be surprised the ‘law enforcment’ community ignores attacks upon women,providers or the clinics- this attitude of woman as second class non citizens has continued to be instutitionized throughout our society.
If we are to have a Real discussion about Reproductive Rights, they had better bring their Balls to the table too.

Personal freedoms should not be up for vote. Gay marriage and abortion, polarizing as they are, are individual choices that are made and the government shouldn’t be able to dictate what you can and can’t do with your body. When we start talking about guns, conservatives start ranting about the government staying out of our lives. To add to that hypocrisy, most pro-lifers are pro-hunting, pro-death penalty and pro-war. But the 13 year old girl who got raped by her dad is a baby killer, right?

When you are so absolutely certain that you are right and that I am wrong, that is when we need a democratic vote. You are not the Pope or King or the one to decide.

If you cannot persuade the majority that your way must be carried out, maybe you are self deluded. Maybe you are in the wrong business or world.

Let the will of God be done. It is out of my hands. That is between the shooter and God Almight, not you or me. MYOB.