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Posted on May 26, 2009
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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger gestures as he discusses his revised state budget proposal for the coming fiscal year during a news conference in Sacramento on Thursday.

By Robert Scheer

All sorts of startling conclusions are being drawn about the failure of California’s ballot funding initiatives last week. Newt Gingrich hailed it as another Boston Tea Party, and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman insisted that it condemns California, one of the world’s largest economies, to banana republic status. But if it was such a big deal, how come the voter turnout was so low?

Maybe because the statewide ballot initiatives were a bit of a political practical joke played by a Republican governor and leading Democrats pretending to be dealing on a statewide basis with the consequences of a national economic crisis that can be solved only through massive federal intervention. There is no way that the people of any state will vote to increase their taxes in the midst of a deep recession, and certainly not when the funding demands seem to have little to do with solving the problem at hand. As a subheading in the ever-sober Economist magazine put it, “Voters reject a ballot they could not comprehend.”

I tried, and after reading the opposing argument in the literature supplied at my nearly empty polling station I voted for the ballot propositions that our governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, had requested. I assumed that this would help our vastly underfunded inner-city schools. Later, my son Chris, who teaches in one of those schools, told me that I might have been wrong and that the convoluted paragraphs of the all too typically obtuse California propositions could not improve matters much at all.

So, filled with doubt and guilt, I took solace in the fact that in terms of the money involved it wasn’t that big a deal, and that surely the feds, to whom we Californians send more in revenue than any other state, would bail us out as they have the banks. Heck, the entire projected California budget shortfall comes to only $21 billion, a tiny fraction of the banking bailout. Yes, only—what is $21 billion in federal loan guarantees for California to skirt bankruptcy compared with the $45 billion given to Citigroup, along with $300 billion more in guarantees for that company’s toxic paper? Or how about the $185 billion doled out to AIG? If Citigroup is too big to fail, isn’t the state of California? Does anyone seriously believe that the national economy can snap back to health if California is in the dump?

The cause of California’s, and almost every other state’s, predicament is an economy ruined by deregulation policies that were secured by the lobbying efforts of Wall Street, led most prominently by Citigroup. So, I expected a federal government that has spent trillions salvaging the banks that got us into this mess to find the relatively minor sums needed to bail out California and other states that have been the victims of Wall Street’s dangerous games.

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But I didn’t count on the tough-love steeliness of President Obama’s senior adviser David Axelrod, who told Californians that “there’s a limit to what the government can do” when it comes to bailing out our state (as opposed to the banks). Or of White House press secretary Robert Gibbs: “Obviously, the state has to make some very tough fiscal decisions … [given] the budgetary constraints that they have.”

Tough for whom? Not the politicians of either party. The results of such decisions are tough for the poor of America, two-thirds of whom are kids, left to the tender mercy of the states, thanks to the sweeping “welfare reform” and other programs put into place by the Clinton White House in one of that Democratic administration’s signature triangulation ploys.

The Los Angeles Times summarized the direction of those difficult choices in a story headlined “Poor would be hard hit by proposed California budget cuts,” which stated that Schwarzenegger “is considering a plan to slash California’s safety net for the poor by eliminating the state’s main welfare program, health insurance for low-income families and cash grants to college students.”

Bail out the banks, but not the 500,000 poor families with children served by the CalWorks program, which will be dismantled, or the 928,000 children covered by the Healthy Families program, slated for oblivion.

At a time when the feds are spending with such abandon in an effort to stimulate the economy, why is it tolerable to leave states in a position where they are forced to fire teachers? As the Los Angeles Times reported: “Schwarzenegger has proposed slashing state spending on education by $3 billion to help close the budget gap, and the state would pay dearly for canceling classes, firing instructors, cutting class days and shortening the school year, experts said.” How can there be federal funds readily available for banker bonuses but not to keep teachers in the classroom with their students? It must have been the kids who caused the meltdown.

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By ardee, June 2, 2009 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, June 1 at 11:32 pm

Its your “little friend” checking in….Isnt your “little voice” telling you that you are engaged in a rather disturbing and valueless exchange with that person?

P.S. Male, 235 pounds, 6’ even, long haired harley riding freak of nature….and no that isnt a singles ad.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 1, 2009 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, June 1 at 8:59 pm #

ITW:

Since you present yourself as a parrot, it isn’t unusual that you would think like a parrot as does your little friend ardee.
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I defy you to show me where I present myself as a parrot—ever.  However, I did state that YOU are an expert on being a parrot.  Such an odd reversal of a statement is probably something that needs treatment.

I have no idea how big or small RD is, whether male or female, so “little friend” is simply another of your obnoxious insults while you try to cover up your inability to put together a single coherent thought or argument.

Curiously, RD and I usually are in DISAGREEMENT with each other.  I’m usually right and RD is usually wrong, but sometimes it’s the other way around (RD knows I’m joking, but I’ll be explicit for you…..I’M JOKING!)

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By MarthaA, June 1, 2009 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

Since you present yourself as a parrot, it isn’t unusual that you would think like a parrot as does your little friend ardee.

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By ardee, June 1, 2009 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

To what end do we serve by continuing to respond to one who has no grasp of reality, one whose every effort here is so much psychobabble filled nothing, one who thinks capitalisation lends authenticity?

She believes herself immune from response in kind, and, when one does respond as she initiates one gets EXACTLY ( that must make her feel right at home)the same rant about family names(?).

Medication must be at the root of this womans problems, either the lack thereof or the incorrect dosage.

Back to political discourse for me.

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By MarthaA, June 1, 2009 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

ardee:

Isn’t that special, are you trying to think without Google?

The world goes forward by new thoughts, not by parroting old thought like the CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS.  The major reason a people need to know their history is so they as a people will not repeat their mistakes; therefore, Google is good, but you appear to use Google as a tool for thought and can’t think anything new for yourself, but use Google to find other peoples thoughts and use them for your own; the very nature of Google is conserved old thought, but liberal creative new thought is what our country needs today, which you think you have, but do not.

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By drklassen, May 30, 2009 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment

The real thing is, CA really doesn’t need a bail out in the financial sense.  Their real problem is that the people hamstrung the state when it passed the ballot initiative that says all budget bills need a 2/3 majority to pass.  Further, it allowed itself to be gerrymandered all to hell (like every other state) so that both sides lean toward their extremes and will not work together.

CA needs to fix their budgeting process, raise the revenue it can *easily* raise, and get back to work.  It also needs (along with every other state) to take its congressional redistricting out of the hands of the legislature and into the hands of non-partisan judicial panels—-with the mandate that all districts be contiguous and compact.

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By christian96, May 30, 2009 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

I didn’t think so!  Get your sons and daughters
ready.  The industrial-military complex is going
to need them!  President Eisenhower tried to warn
you!

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By christian96, May 30, 2009 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment

PROBLEMS:
(1) Lack of employment mostly caused by BUSINESSES
being shipped overseas.
(2) Break-up of Unions mostly caused by Ronald Reagan.
(3) Potential oil wars with Europe, Russia, China
and other parts of the world caused by _____________.
I’ll leave that one blank.  You fill in the blank.

SOLUTIONS:

I’ll also leave that one to you.  Got any solutions?

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By ardee, May 30, 2009 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

Reply to my buddy ardee, May 29 at 8:23 pm

The gripe of all caps is just one more giant stride to set the stage for EXCLUSION instead on INCLUSION.
..............
....Back atcha ‘buddy’.....When in Rome do as the Roman’s do. When on the internet the convention states that caps are shouting. Free speech has exactly what to do with shouting?

You can ignore convention and polite discourse, there are no enforcements available, but a poster of decent intent and civil temperament would certainly understand and honor such rules.

I have a simple rule, I read no posts filled with caps. Others may do as they choose.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 30, 2009 at 6:47 am Link to this comment

Still munching popcorn on this thread! smile

Truthdig3, you have a mania about accusing one poster of being another, but in this case you actually have a little more evidence because CLEARLY AbigailDavid is associated with DwightBaker (the references to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)) .  Are they the same person? Does it matter? The syntax of the rants seems a little different, but since they both come off the same page it may WELL be that AD is not DB, just an acolyte.

Ultimately, Why do you care? It’s the same long rants one way or another.

Want some popcorn? (Munch, munch)

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By ardee, May 30, 2009 at 6:03 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, May 29 at 11:02 pm #

Since you asked what I think, I’ll tell you.

I think your politics is made of whole cloth, I think your posts and your logic sophomoric and empty of any intellectual or even factual content and your attempts to call any who disagree with your high school level logic conservatives plainly stupid.

But thanks ever so much for asking.

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By truedigger3, May 30, 2009 at 4:30 am Link to this comment

christian96,

Although we live in the land of “FREE SPEECH”, we have the right to protest and demand that we be spared wasting our time in nonsense and drivel especially from individuals who keep changing their names to “sneak in”.
Are you listening Abegail David? Excuse me, I mean
DWIGHTBAKER. Stop these silly childish games of
yours.!!

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By christian96, May 29, 2009 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment

Eugen—-I may be from West Virginia but I can read.
SHE(Ardee) cursed in other posts.  Now, if you can’t
find them maybe you better start summer school with
her.

Truthdigger3—-Comment to Abigal “keep religion out
your posts.”  Who appointed you Czar over censorship?
At least for awhile we do still live in the land of
“FREEDOM OF SPEECH.”

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By voice of truth, May 29, 2009 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

Most of the so-called stimulus bill went to states, so in effect they have already been bailed out.

Why in the world did the voters / politicians of California think they could have everything they wanted and “someone else” would pay for it?  This is a microcosm of what will happen to the whole country after the destructive Olama regime

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By MarthaA, May 29, 2009 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

ardee:

You conservatives are used to shouting not being shouted at, but when there is something to shout about, one should shout to wake people out of their hypnotic state and let them know the symbolic Red Coats are coming and we need to prepare, don’t you think?.

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By ardee, May 29, 2009 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, May 29 at 6:30 pm #

Well of course you do, silly lady. However, caps on the internet are symbolic of shouting, and most civilised people abhor shouting, whether conservative or just branded as such for daring to disagree with your particular, and exceedingly unique, political perspectives.

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By MarthaA, May 29, 2009 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

Abigail David,

I like your caps.  Caps show emphasis on what you want to show emphasis on.  I do not know why conservatives are so against caps, maybe it makes them feel guilty, or something.

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By mandinka, May 29, 2009 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

CA is bankrupt both morally and fiscally. So why don’t they have to take the necessary actions to fix their own house. The unions need to be eliminated and pay and benefits restructured to reflect CA ability to pay. End to gov’t jets cars and expense accounts. Elimination of benefits to non citizens a multi billion dollar scam that the Taxpayers have never been allowed to vote on

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By truedigger3, May 29, 2009 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

DWIGHTBAKER,

Did you have a sex change operation. That is fine with me as long as you keep religion and drivel out of your posts, otherwise you can can go for a long hike and don’t come back.

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By KDelphi, May 29, 2009 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

I am certain that most have figured out that “Abigail” is Dwight Baker…sigh—alot of people do that. I dont know why.

And who cares if people curse, if the webmaster doesnt?

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By Eugen, May 29, 2009 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

observations - Abigail it is not proper etiquette to use capital letters. Anyone who sees your comments probably don’t read them because of your obvious ignorance. You’re also ignorant about the people who organized this country. They went out of their way to keep religion out of government.
Christian 96 I read what you said about Ardee (“Ardee——See you haven’t started Summer school yet.
Still cursing.”) so I went and read his comments. You lied about what he said. He didn’t curse.
You are shameful.

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By freelyb, May 29, 2009 at 6:18 am Link to this comment
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Great post from Sirota that elicited some great responses. I would love to see more detailed journalistic coverage on grassroots movements that have a meaningful plan to thwart the takeover by the oligarchy. Which groups are most sane and focused on the roots of the problem—campaign finance reform, trickle down economics? Which are most inclusive? Growing the quickest? Need to know where to focus my efforts. I am locked and loaded (figuratively), and ready to go. But we need numbers. I ain’t goin’ alone. Willing to boycott companies, protest, write letters, not pay taxes, work with Republicans, whatever it takes. But I’m not goin’ alone. Nor should anyone else. The first wave of revolutionaries will get slaughtered if we can’t organize and unite in a meaningful way. Still surveying the landscape for a winning public strategy. 

Be sure to see Moore’s October film, everyone.

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By truedigger3, May 29, 2009 at 3:04 am Link to this comment

Virginia777 wrote:
“The media has has everything to do with what is happening to the State.”
____________________________________________________

Virginia777,

You are implying that the media is an independent
entity which is not the case. The media is nothing
but a mouth-piece and propoganda organ for big
money/business and is owned and completely controlled
by them.
So, any exhortation or protest about the media did
this or should had done that is as good as useless and is futile.

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By Virginia777, May 28, 2009 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment

“For instance, what influence did mainstream media play in this?”

Huge. It has attacked public education and the teachers union relentlessly in California.

The public is by and large very hostile to government in any form, and often sees it as an “enemy”. This has been fostered by corrupt media,

as has the intense attention given to “gang violence” which has filled California’s substantial prison population.

The media has has everything to do with what is happening to the State.

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By antispin, May 28, 2009 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

I teach math at a California Community College, so I have a thumb on the pulse of desperation our most needy young adults are feeling.  My students represent an amazingly disparate set of circumstances, so generalizing is almost impossible.  Here are some salient observation I might tentatively aver:

1. NCLB (no child left behind) has made the situation much worse: students are not taught to think, they’re taught to give most likely choice responses to a variety of nonsensical (proprietary) stimuli.  And this is done 2/3 of the way through the year, so the rest of the year they just kind of slough off.  Unfortunately, the Obama people seem completely clueless about this.

2. Too many students per teacher leaves many students behind who would otherwise have made a connection.  Another NCLB failure - Clinton was committed to building more schools and reducing class sizes, remember that?

3.  We are being told to reduce our expenditures by 25-30%.  That means reduction in force - RIF.  RIP, California.

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By ThomasG, May 28, 2009 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

California and our unions are being set aside.  If our government can SET ASIDE complex contracts for the UNION and GENERAL MOTORS, then complex contracts that are MORTGAGE SECURITIES could have been SET ASIDE; why were the big banks mortgage securities not set aside? 

The 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION needs real answers, not manufactured rhetoric.  The major interest of capitalists is not only to get rid of unions, but all possibilities of assistance for the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION, which our government appears to be going along with far too much for the over all health of the nation.

The bailout money should have been used to make healthy banks without toxic assets on their balance sheets, that could then have participated in making markets out of failed capital assets.

Both the Bush administration and the Obama administration chose to recapitalize failed toxic capital assets, rather than to let them fail and make markets out of the assets and use the banking system to make loans for new markets based upon failed capital assets; this would have caused massive deflation in the housing industry and that massive deflation in the housing industry could have been offset by massively expanding the money supply, both the Obama administration and the Bush administration chose NOT to do this and our problems at present are a direct result, instead of doing this, they used taxpayers money to recapitalize the assets of the very people that created the problem.

Unbelievable, now were stuck.  And, eventually massive inflation will hit us because, it appears to me, we have no offset for expanding the money supply.  After the massive inflation, there will be massive deflation, and then a very serious depression—- our country will be back into the “Grapes of Wrath”.

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By SteveL, May 28, 2009 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

The current governor let the power companies that ripped off the state out of a multi billion dollar lawsuit.  Also you can gripe about the effects of Prop. 13 all you want but when the state had a top tax rate on income of 11% versus the 9% it has now the budgets were balanced.  By the way it is the Highway patrol that gets 90% of their pay in retirement after very few years work.  All things you won’t hear from the mainstream press.

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By MarthaA, May 28, 2009 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment
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It seems there is a class and culture plan of the American aristocracy and the DLC Professional MIDDLE CLASS to destroy any splinter of assistance for the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION to be able to unite as a class and culture, so that the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION will be unable to help themselves. Because to the extent that the COMMON POPULATION unites as a class and culture the COMMON POPULATION will take resources away from the American aristocracy and the DLC Professional MIDDLE CLASS toadies, and their duopoly finds that unacceptable; sharing the wealth is not what they intend to do, smash and grab is what they are up to.

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By christian96, May 28, 2009 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

David Abigail—-One of the best posts I’ve read in
quite awhile.  Keep up the good work.

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By titanbite, May 28, 2009 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

Disgusting,there is no better word to describe the facts in this well written article.Take the nerve of those morons on Capital Hill who feel their obligation to the corporate rainmakers is of higher importance than keeping an entire state and an already struggling school system in working order.Add the gaul required to bail out big banks when it was their own greed that rendered them incompetent stewards of the Nations financial well being.Then add a severely partisan electorate’s collective moans and groans as each sides pundits feed the sheeple their nightly B.S.And what do you get,Capitolocracy.
    No longer will Limbaugh’s Leaders fear the ever encroaching cold front bearing down menacingly on their form of Democracy with it’s torrents of liberal induced socialism.Nor will President Obama’s hope for change be challenged by the Neoconservative cowardice and fear-mongering that keeping the Bush doctrine alive has wrought his seemingly floundering administration.
    A new way of measuring worth has been adopted in the United States of America and the yardstick of this new age has no use for compassion or morality.Unlike our former tried and true method of governance,we no longer respect our Founding Fathers timeless foresight.Instead we allow their dreams of justice and equality to be consumed by greed and selfishness.
    We do not sit idly by as this catastrophe destroys our nation as we know it,on the contrary we are willing participants in the charade taking up sides with bitter hatred for anyone who may have a different way of thinking instead of seeing the big picture were forced into a tunnel with few options to institute any effective debate.
    These events are being framed for us by those who benefit most from the new Capitalistic state.while the least among us are forced to scavenge for the crumbs.Are we the generation of Americans who will be responsible for the demise of Democracy?Will we not stand for a Democracy that cannot be bought or will the future of America be ruled by those who have the capitol to buy their own brand of Democracy?
    Capitolocracy is threatening to destroy the American dream for us and our children and the only way to rid ourselves of it’s unavoidable arrival will be to vote down every seated elected official in the Federal government.We need to stop choosing sides and realize that our current Leadership has it’s own self preservation as it’s priority when making the decisions that effect our and our children’s lives.It is high time we took that responsibility back,they’ve proven to be detrimental to our nations future,and must be removed.

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By mike112769, May 28, 2009 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

First, we should have NEVER given that “bail-out” money to the politicians’ bankers. If it had to be given out, every cent of it should have been given to the Public.
Second, California has long flown in the face of the Federal government. Marijuana use is just one example of California defying our masters. They are now being punished for this. Contrary to government doctrine, there is a HUGE difference between pot and heroine, or cocaine etc.
Third, the ONLY reason we are in this mess is due to the laziness of the American voter. We are NOT a democracy, we are a republic. When our representatives started lying to us, we did nothing. When thay made promises to get elected, we expected them to be kept. They weren’t, and we DID NOTHING. The Feds have learned that Americans mostly DO NOT CARE what happens to others, as long as it doesn’t happen to us.
Should we care what happens to California? Absolutely. Should we take back our government? Absolutely. Should we keep supporting the joke that is our system of governance? Absolutely not.
There is nothing wrong with a justified revolution, and apparently that is what it will take for the average person to be heard. The rich people who run our politicians don’t give a damn about us. Why should we continue to support our government when it does not care for it’s citizens?
If Obama wants to see REAL change, put EVERYTHING, from abortion, drugs and immigration etc. etc. on a ballot. Let the Public decide what it wants, instead of waiting for a bunch of leeches (who call themselves public servants) to tell us what we want.
If this were truly a democracy, it would be a vastly different country.

Christian: That is a different kind of cursing. By the way, religion is a superstition that should be kept to yourself. Are you REALLY waiting for a dead guy, who may not have existed, to save you from life? Jesus christ…grow up and depend on yourself, not some ancient, outmoded belief system whose teachings you probably aren’t following anyway.

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By KDelphi, May 28, 2009 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

Jason!!—I feel strongly that , when people forcibly take things from others, they do , actually , owe them something.I wouldnt worry about it—you sound like some rich kid—ask your daddy who can get you out of paying taxes.

You will reap what you sow, and, unfortunatley for some, what their ancestors sowed, also.

Leefeller—If Obama can set a standard for who is rich, why not??

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By evolumental.com, May 28, 2009 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

BLUELORI’s claim we live in a RED-hen state is red herring.  The laws are by, of and for the rich, which is why they don’t pay their fair share and the state and nation are going bust.  But the most ruthless of the rich sack, pilfer, loot and exploit a plenty (enough to pay the likes of BLUELORI to sow confusion in sites such as truthdig, though some are true believers who have drank the KoolAid a-la Joe the Plumber and whom then they bought).  Ultimately they work the least, regardless of their propaganda and demagoguery, but always get to eat the bread as everyone else goes hungry, anf fights to survive on the crumbs that they allow to trickle down.  They have cut and outsourced jobs, and orchestrated the highly profitable subprime scams and subsequent skinning of taxpayers through bailouts.  Unsustainable free-market capitalism always kills its own market -it’s unsustainable; promises utopia, delivers distopia.  It can only be proped up with repeated bailouts and imposed through force and militarism.
evolumental.com: rEVOLUTION of the Mind

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, May 28, 2009 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

bluelori,

I think you’ve got that fable backwards.  Little Red State Hens are subsidized almost invariably by the work of Little Blue State Hens.  The Little Red State Hens have always been far-right-leaning shiftless morons more concerned with the sinful lifestyles of Little Red and Blue State Gay Roosters than their own economic well-being.

One day, after a bit of philosophical introspection, the Little Rational Liberal Hen asked “Who will uphold justice in America?”

“Not I,” said the Little Red State Hen, while she held up a fag-hate sign.
“Not I,” said a giant hairless mole named Dick Cheney as it gnawed on the corpse of a U.S. soldier.
“Not I,” said an undead crypt witch named Barbara Bush.

“Then I will,” said the Little Rational Liberal Hen.  And she did.

Soon justice was being undermined by the work of Lobbyists for the banking industry.

“Justice is threatened,” said the Little Rational Liberal Hen. “Who will speak for the average American?”

“Not I,” said the Little Red State Hen, while she held up a militant pro-life abortion-clinic bombing manifesto.

“Not I,” said a giant hairless mole named Dick Cheney as it gnawed on the pages of the Constitution.
“Not I,” said an undead crypt witch named Barbara Bush as she finished off the corpse Cheney had been gnawing on earlier.

“Then I will,” said the Little Rational Liberal Hen.  And she did.

When the average American had been spoken for, the Little Rational Liberal Hen said “Who will support a just level of taxation for the wealthy?”

“Not I,” said the Little Red State Hen, while she held up a sign advocating the imprisonment of non-violent drug offenders and the privatization of the prison system.
“Not I,” said a giant hairless mole named Dick Cheney as it gnawed on the corpse of an uninsured baby.
“Not I,” said an undead crypt witch named Barbara Bush as she finished off the Constitution Cheney had been gnawing on earlier.

“Then I will,” said the Little Rational Liberal Hen.  And she did.

When the just level of taxation for the wealthy was roundly defeated in Congress, the Little Rational Liberal Hen said “Who will now require the slack-ass Red States to pull their own weight?”

“Not I,” said the Little Red State Hen, while she held up a sign in favor of banning stem-cell research despite the fact that she was a congenital idiot.
“Not I,” said a giant hairless mole named Dick Cheney as it gnawed on the corpse of an emaciated polar bear.
“Not I,” said an undead crypt witch named Barbara Bush as she finished off the corpse of the uninsured baby that Cheney had been gnawing on earlier.

“Then I will,” said the Little Rational Liberal Hen.  And she joined the NRA.

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By RdV, May 28, 2009 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Jason!! says:

“No one owes you or anyone else anything.”

  Except Israel.

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, May 28, 2009 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

I predict that at some point, the wealthy will be made to pay by any means necessary.  They’ll resist, of course, and when they do the average American, liberal or conservative, will have a newfound appreciation for the NRA.

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By christian96, May 28, 2009 at 7:49 am Link to this comment

Ardee—-I was refering to “cursing” in other posts
I had just read.  I’ve got my eye on you.  I may be
your guardian angel.  DON’T TAKE THE MARK!

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By Leefeller, May 28, 2009 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

Interesting responses to helping California, seems many are into only helping themselves.  Rich people need to suffer as the poor is what they seem to saying, of course we may define a rich person as anyone richer then them?

Has accountability, and integrity plus compassion tricked down, from our Federal Government to the people or has it always been from the people to the government?  I got mine.  Yes a national medical plan is just around the corner, like victory in Iraq.

Guess we can hope to find some change in our sofas!

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By Jason!!, May 28, 2009 at 5:59 am Link to this comment

Kdelphi:
Yes, we do have basic human rights. You have the basic human right to grow your own food or build your own house for example.

In California, they have a basic human right to obnoxious salaries:

“Special Nurse:” $350,000+
Municipal railway manager: $325,000+
“Administrative services” department head: $280,000+

No one owes you or anyone else anything.

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By ardee, May 28, 2009 at 2:17 am Link to this comment

christian96, May 27 at 6:17 pm #

If you live in California I would have to retract the statement about no fools living there, you would, of course, drag down that curve.

You seem to refer to cursing a lot though there appears no evidence of any within the post to which you refer currently. Are you just a formulaic jerk or the regular kind?

I also chuckle about your “Peewee Herman” defense” as well, use what I said about you , no originality seems to exist in your posts or in your world.

Thanks for the bible quote but I am not the superstitious sort…..Have you anything of a political nature to add….thought not.

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By thebeerdoctor, May 28, 2009 at 1:03 am Link to this comment

Sorry the link has been removed. The article though can still be found on Google, just type THE END by Michael Lewis.

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By thebeerdoctor, May 28, 2009 at 12:59 am Link to this comment

re: bluelori

Your call for financial institutions to return to common sense is admirable, but a totally moot point. Perhaps you should look into what Wall Street analyst Michael Lewis discovered while looking at Long Beach Financial, a wholly owned subsidiary of Washington Mutual, where they shorted the juiciest financial instruments, knowing full and well that they would inevitably fail, and they would reap profits from their failure.

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/portfolio/2008/11/11/The-End-of-Wall-Streets-Boom

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By Michal, May 27, 2009 at 11:48 pm Link to this comment
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Hello Dear World are We Still in Puberty?

The politicians have their homes paid for and their children’s college funds full. Do you really think that they care about us?

They want to cut education to keep the public ignorant; mass media, consumerism, greed, and jealousy help their cause of keeping the public in a stupor. Wake up America.

It is ridiculous that welfare was left for the states. It is ridiculous that Obama is pandering to Wall Street. It is ridiculous that taxpayers are footing the bill for the faulty corporations. It is ridiculous that California is putting in rail and cutting teachers.

I’m a teacher and a mother of two. I couldn’t go to Costco today, no money to buy bulk diapers and groceries. Brown rice for a while and diapers as I can afford them.

This crisis is real. I am angry. I am paying off my debts to the bank and my credit card which I had to use to pay rent when I had my baby in February so my husband could stay home to help me the first two weeks. Now he is laid off.

We did not by a home that we couldn’t afford and all the items to go into it. Our lives do not revolve around material goods. I rode my bicycle to work and the store for three years because I could not afford a car and didn’t want to take out a loan at that time.

I love my students and feel a sense of purpose. So it is hard for me to think about switching jobs.

I love the beauty of America’s people and land; so I will be getting more involved in politics via email and calling my government representatives. Today is my beginning. And I will not be voting for Obama in 2012.

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By christian96, May 27, 2009 at 11:39 pm Link to this comment

Thought these comments from another article to be
appropriate for this one:


By christian96, May 28 at 2:05 am #


Speaking of “fresh air” that is something 13 trapped
coal miners lacked several years ago in West Virginia.  In fact they lacked ANY AIR let alone
fresh air.  The miners tagic death by suffocation
was a result of the owners of the mine only storing
30 minutes worth of oxygen in the mine.  Now you
would think that if a nation could go to the moon
and back it could pass a law requiring coal mine
owners to store a weeks supply of oxygen, food, and
water throughout the mines.  Wouldn’t really cost
millions, billions, or trillions being spent to bail
out various wealthy corporations.  The suffocation
of the miners occurred during President Bush’s
administrations.  He calls himself a Christian.
Many of the other politicians providing the bail
out money also call themselves Christian.  In the
Bible Jesus tells us not to judge a true Christian
by what they say BUT WHAT THEY DO!  I can hear the
false Christians in Washington, “What’s a few coal
miners?  Drag out the dead bodies and hire 13 more.
Let’s get that production line moving!  We need
money to bail out big business and the wealthy
bankers!”  My question for Washington is “WHO’S
GOING TO BAIL OUT THE COAL MINERS?”

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By LibertyWatch, May 27, 2009 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

California the state where “Anything Goes”. . . looks like “Everything Went!” Don’t you see that you are on the left coast while the bankers and politicians are on the right coast.

Washington belongs to the banks, our treasury belongs to the banks and the banks rule this country while little folks like me and you are left to die on our own. Do you really expect to feed the children, to educate the people, to cloth and shelter the old and infirm. The army needs to buy bullets and bombs so we can attack foreign lands and have the children of the poor kill and destroy so we can get that oil and the bankers can build another McMansion!

Sorry California you are just in line behind New Orleans, as a piece of America that has been written off the bankers tab. We are witnessing the end of America and the beginning of Amerika!

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By Russian Paul, May 27, 2009 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but I don’t understand why my fellow Californians aren’t as pissed off as I am about the proposed High-Speed Rail plan. No one I know is going to use it and who cares if you can get to LA in 3 hours when you are broke?
We need to table this plan and use the money to balance the budget. Over 50 Billion dollars will be spent on building this monstrosity, from San Fran to LA.
By the time it is done being built, no one will be able to afford it. Why are we throwing away billions, tearing down homes and downtown areas, for something we already have? The cherry on the cake - most of the labor and materials will be OUTSOURCED!

Another thing we should do is legalize marijuana and tax it. This by itself could save California. Since we are facing an emergency I think we need to really start pushing this option.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 27, 2009 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

The posts on this thread just got hilariously ridiculous.

Anybody want to sit in the bleachers munching popcorn with me?

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By adrienrain, May 27, 2009 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

California is among the states that pay more into the federal coffer than it takes out. I think they should help us out now.

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By Mary Ann McNeely, May 27, 2009 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

Out here in Kollyfornya, it smells like decline.  It’s like waking up in the middle of the night with everything smelling like hot tar.  Kollyfornya is frequently first in many things.  Now we are going to be first in the race to the bottom.

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By JimBob, May 27, 2009 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

For the money we “gave” to Citigroup and the other banks, taxpayers received equity in those companies.  The possibility exists—some say it’ll be a cold day in hell, others say it could really happen—that we’ll get paid back by reselling that equity when the companies regain their financial health.
The same cannot be said of California.  In this case, what Bob is calling for is a gift.  Taxpayers give California money with no mechanism for being paid back. Is it any wonder that while bloggers are free to consider the money we give banks the equivalent of money we might give to a state, the guys who deal in reality can plainly see the difference.

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By truedigger3, May 27, 2009 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment

CharlyAndy & bluelori and her Dr. Laurie Roth Bio,

None of you know what the @#%$ you are talking about.!
Your facts and stats are so wrong and confused that
it is a waste of time to try to correct some ingnorant idiots like you.
For example how did the repeal of Glass-Steagall act forced the banks to lend to unqualified mortagage applicants??!!

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By KDelphi, May 27, 2009 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

NYCArtist—If I hadnt been so “boggled” over Jason!!‘s stats, I should have replied that, if you want a big house with a pool and a big car, youre probably NOT going to be a socialist…I want everyone to have a decent standard of living, and, the Scandanavian countires come about as close to that as anywhere on earth. They are Socialist Democracies.

I would have rather bailed out California and GM than Wall St…can you guys get the Prop 13 rescinded? It would seem that nothing will get any better until you do…

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By christian96, May 27, 2009 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

Ardee——See you haven’t started Summer school yet.
Still cursing.  Perhaps, you don’t know what the
Bible has to say about cursing, “Their throat is an
open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used
deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose
MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING and bitterness: Their feet
are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are
in their ways:: And the way of peace have they not
known:  There is no fear of God before their
eyes.”(Romans 3:13-18)  Maybe you aren’t very knowledable about the Bible.  Well, you’re missing
a lot. For example, all the darkness upon the earth
is preparing the way for the MARK OF THE
BEAST.(Revelation 13:17,18).  Now don’t let the
beast give you a mark on your right hand or forehead
for buying or selling.(Rev. 13:17)  Bad things will
happen if you take that mark.  Like being tormented
with fire and brimstone(Revelation 14:10) and thrown
into a lake of fire burning with brimstone
(Revelation 19:20).  Sort of sounds like Sodom and
Gommorah doesn’t it?  Wonder if it’s nuclear?  Well,
we will find out soon.  Don’t take that mark Ardee
and don’t forget to brush up on your vocabulary in
Summer school.

                Daffy

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By mud, May 27, 2009 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

Starving US into submission has been the plan for a long, long time.

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By adrienrain, May 27, 2009 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

From what I gleaned about those propositions, they were taking money away from important things - like mental health - and just rearranging the funds.  Why don’t we charge oil companies for the oil they take out of California like every other state does? Why didn’t we sue enron when we had the chance. The rich run this state, that’s why.

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By ardee, May 27, 2009 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

My goodness, all this outrage about California making bad decisions..Like your states are any better, or will not soon be in the same fix that California is in right now. Here I thought this was one nation, not a bunch of squabbling schoolchildren.

Half your facts are wrong, the other half are unprincipled distortions. California is not filled with wine sipping , Porsche driving imbeciles in any more or less quantity than are your own states. Nor are votes any less bought and paid for, the electorates manipulated, or the leaders more corrupt. Look around.

California has farmers , laborers, white collar and blue collar workers as do your own states, and none of them (us) has any more control over what our government does than you have over your own state govts. as well. Nor do any of us control the actions of our federal govt either.

Do you loudmouths blame the folks in New Orleans for its still being a disaster area? Do you blame the people of Michigan for the stupidities of the automobile manufacturers? This economic downturn is not the fault of the people of California, or the people of Michigan, or Louisiana, and no solution will be possible with fools pointing fingers.

Only by understanding that we must retake control of our nation, not act like clowns when the ghoul stands just outside your own doors too…..

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By NYCartist, May 27, 2009 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

Remember when we were all talking about the BailOut in October?  Us, Kucinich, Marcy Kaptur.  I still have Howard Zinn’s article in the Nation Magazine, “Spend the BailOut Money on the Middle Class”, October 27, 2008 online.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081027/zinn

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By NYCartist, May 27, 2009 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

I read all the comments.  Brava and Bravo to:
clymela
Dis Gruntled   both are Californians

anaman
Virginia777
and pretty good, to Cathy. 

To the person who said, “socialism won’t give you…”
I am reminded of an article (but not author) who was in Sweden and was listening to public bus drivers before their shift began,discussing their 2nd houses, summer homes. Driver after driver owned two homes. (A mixed economy).  I am sure others can list all the good things people in countries with some socialism have that we do not in this country: start with free education, longer vacations, health care/single payer, unemployment benefits…

Good article by Scheer.  I’ve been mentioning it here and there.  How sad the few who commented that they don’t want to pay to help people in another state from their feds taxes.

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By G.Anderson, May 27, 2009 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

Politics in California is a total failure, both the Democrats and Republican parties are only concerned about supporing programs that fund their voter base, so they can continue to be elected.

There is no solution in sight, only catastrophy on the Horizon.

Each day I hear dozen’s of news stories trying to convince me that the economy is recovering, I don’t believe them.

I wonder how many national Guard Units our governor can count on when TSHTF.

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By Old Ed Of The Delta, May 27, 2009 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

California politics have more important things to address rather than the mundane subject of balancing the state budget. 


Real issues that effect all of us here in this great state is exemplified in today’s edition of our local newspaper with the AP headline “State Supreme Court Upholds Gay Marriage Ban”. Now this is the really important stuff not balancing some silly budget figures.


It is this kind of “Hollywood” mentality our state legislator have that we find ourselves in this financial pickle.

Just take a look who we elected Governor in the past.  To get elected in California you first have to join the Screen Actors Guild and set up some interviews with the Central Casting departments of the movie and TV studios. Both the Republican and Democrats have excellent script writers for potential candidates for any office.


If California fails will the economy of the world fall apart? No!  First, California is just TOO BIG tp go bankrupt or fail. When push comes to shove the Feds will open up the purse strings and bail us out.  Remember California is not some backwater state with a measly amount of Electoral College votes.

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By garth, May 27, 2009 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

One thing about California I don’t hear about anymore is the $ 9 billion that they could have won in a lawsuit against the energy companies that screwed the residents.  Arnold chose not to pursue the suit.
My question:  Is that why a neo-liberal stooge like Phil Angelides was selected to run against Arnie the Nazi in 2006?

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By bluelori, May 27, 2009 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

The redefinition of an American Classic – now – an American Classick, now all the animals are Red

One day as the Little Red State Hen was scratching in a field, she found a grain of wheat.

“This wheat should be planted,” she said. “Who will plant this grain of wheat?”

“Not I,” said the Donkey.
“Not I,” said the Pig.
“Not I,” said the Dog.

“Then I will,” said the Little Red State Hen. And she did.

Soon the wheat grew to be tall and yellow.

“The wheat is ripe,” said the Little Red State Hen. “Who will cut the wheat?”

“Not I,” said the Donkey.
“Not I,” said the Pig.
“Not I,” said the Dog.

“Then I will,” said the Little Red State Hen. And she did.

When the wheat was cut, the Little Red State Hen said, “Who will thresh the wheat?”

“Not I,” said the Donkey.
“Not I,” said the Pig.
“Not I,” said the Dog.

“Then I will,” said the Little Red State Hen. And she did.

When the wheat was threshed, the Little Red State Hen said, “Who will take this wheat to the mill?”

“Not I,” said the Donkey.
“Not I,” said the Pig.
“Not I,” said the Dog.

“Then I will,” said the Little Red State Hen. And she did.

She took the wheat to the mill and had it ground into flour. Then she said, “Who will make this flour into bread?”

“Not I,” said the Donkey.
“Not I,” said the Pig.
“Not I,” said the Dog.

“Then I will,” said the Little Red State Hen. And she did.

She made and baked the bread. Then she said, “Who will eat this loaf of bread?”

“Oh! I will,” said the Donkey.
“And I will,” said the Pig.
“And I will,” said the Dog.

“No, No!” said the Little Red State Hen. “I will do that.”

But as she prepared her table, Farmer Barack came out to the hen house and explained that everybody does better when the wealth is spread around. He took most of the loaf of bread the Little Red State Hen had made and gave it to the Donkey, the Pig and the Dog.

As they ate, Farmer Barack explained that next year he would provide 3.5 trillion loaves of bread and that he would increase the amount of bread that the Little Red State Hen would have to give to the other animals. He explained that this would stimulate bread production and that the Donkey, Pig and Dog would not have to give up one crumb of bread under his plan. The Donkey, Pig and Dog were, of course, very pleased with Farmer Barack’s plan for hope and change.

The next day as the Little Red State Hen was scratching in a field, she found a grain of wheat.

“This wheat should be planted,” she said. “Who will plant this grain of wheat?”

“Not I,” said the Donkey.
“Not I,” said the Pig.
“Not I,” said the Dog.
“Not I,” said the Little Red State Hen. And she didn’t.

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By CharlyAndy, May 27, 2009 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

The little red hen called all of her neighbors, Democrats and Repuglicans, i.e. those who were not democratic, together and said, “If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?

“What do you mean “we?” said the Repuglicans, “We don’t work, we have people to do that for us.”

“Then I will do it with a little help from my friends,” said the little red hen, and so she did.  The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.

    “Who will help me reap my wheat?” asked the little red hen.

“Are you kidding?  Can’t you hear?  Hurry up with that, I’ve got a golf date,” said the pig, the Repuglican spokes-animal, “and that goes for the rest of us.”

    “Then I will do it with a little help from my friends,” said the little red hen, and so she did.

    At last it came time to bake the bread.

    “Who will help me bake the bread?” asked the little red hen.

    “Do I look like a f*****g baker?  Look, sister, stop bothering us.  This is a Brooks Brothers suit and my man just got it out of the cleaners for me.  How do you think I’d look at my club with flour all over me?  They might think I have a real job.”

    “Then I will do it with a little help from my friends,” said the little red hen.

    She baked seven loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see.  They wanted some and, of course, the Repuglicans among them demanded a share. But the little red hen said, “No, I shall share all seven loaves and these fishes with the friends who have helped me do all this work.”

    “Welfare Queen!” brayed the ass.

  “Tax cheat!” snorted the sow.

  “Whahner!” said Phill Hog, the Texan.

  “Socialist!” said the Pharisee.

  “Comminist!” said li”l W, pronouncing the word incorrectly.

    Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, “Thank you for giving a lesson in charity to these greedy animals.”

    “You earned the bread.” said the farmer, “you and the others who helped you.
That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. Under our modern government regulations, the productive workers are also allowed and encouraged to divide some of the fruits of their labor with those who are not so fortunate as to be able to find a job, those who are sick, those who are old and those who are just f*****g stupid.”

    And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, “I am grateful, for now I truly understand.”

  Her neighbors saw in her a truly noble spirit. She baked more and more bread and even went to Paris to learn how to make the best bread in the world. And all the animals smiled, except the Repuglicans who had become used to getting fed just because they thought they were superior and didn’t have to really create anything of value.  Even so, the little red hen saw to it that they didn’t go hungry either.  After all, in a big society, there will always be those who have to be carried by the others. Being children of God, they too were deserving. “Fairness” had been established.

    Individual initiative flourished as the animals began to see the true value of their neighbors, even the Repuglicans who were now sulking in the corners of the barnyard, waiting for their next big bailout.

    And they all lived happily, except of course for the Repuglicans, ever after.  After all, there are always those poor souls who have to be carried by the others.

    EPILOGUE

    Even though they made some mistakes along the way, Bill and Hillary were remembered fondly as among those who soldiered on in the face of the repulsive Repuglicans led by fierce warriors like Bum’s Rush Limburger, “Could you get the Bill?  I left my wallet in my other pants.” O’Reilly, Slobbering Sean Hannity and “Pass the pork, I haven’t eaten my…” Phil Gramm.

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By KDelphi, May 27, 2009 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

Jason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

99% of the US population is either Dem or GOP, huh??

Boy are you an moron.

FYI and anyone else’s here, the necessities of life are a human right. If you dont think so, maybe you are a reptile.

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By Jason!!, May 27, 2009 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

Kdelphi;
Do you even understand wtf you are posting? That is some nonsense!

“THE CRISIS that exists now in California was created by the Republicans and Democrats.”

Republicans and Democrats? Well that represents about 99% of the US population that ever voted for either party. So what are you (or your leader) saying?

First you say Obama – but I got news for you. Socialism is not going to buy you a new house with a pool, a fancy car or a larger disability check either.

Did you ever read the story called The Little Red Hen? http://homepages.wmich.edu/~k4kenned/little red hen.htm

Strive to be the Hen, not the pig, duck or cat. No one owes you anything.

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By Virginia777, May 27, 2009 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

The vast antipathy for public education (and children of the poor) by the people in power in California (and much of the voters themselves) has been put “on Stage” for all of the World to witness.

Apparently, our current administration shares this antipathy.

How convenient that knocking out public education also serves a big blow to Unions, the Teacher’s Union specifically, something the Right in the country has been hammering away at for years.

The Right must be having a big party today, they got their wish - lower taxes and less Union workers, a broken government, more kids in private schools.

As for the children of the lower middle class and poor (many of whom have brown skin),

to Hell with them.

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By bluelori, May 27, 2009 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

Obama’s America: Worship irresponsibility, demonize the achievers
The U.S. must stop rewarding and worshiping failure!


Dr. Laurie Roth Bio
Email Article


By Dr. Laurie Roth Wednesday, May 27, 2009
Our economy, banking and lending system will never heal up in the US if we don’t start practicing real fairness and common sense.  As it is with the latest series of bailouts for the auto industry and bankers, bad business is rewarded and incompetence gets the prize.  According to this President and this congress, the greedier, more naïve and failure in business you are, the more money you should have of Tarp funds.  Did I say Tarp funds?  I meant to say Shark funds.

AIG and other investment institutions gave out idiot, 100% and even 130% loans for years whether a client had good credit or bad.  The classic rules used for decades to buy a home, like decent credit, being on a job for a certain amount of time, putting money down and hark……actually being able to afford a mortgage when compared to your other debts, had all been thrown to the winds.

EVERYONE deserved to own a home according to Bill Clinton who reversed the much needed Glass-Steagall Act.  Now, with that ugly act out of the way, banks could be pressured if not threatened into giving everyone a loan regardless as to whether they met any real standards to own one.

That sprint to mortgage ruin was back in the days of Bill Clinton and pushed like a freight train eventually dropped in our laps in 2009.  Then they called it all kinds of juicy things, like The National Home ownership Strategy: Partners in the American Dream Act.  Doesn’t that sound precious, warm and cuddly, at least until it has all but bankrupted the country.

It’s practically hate speech and a crime to suggest you shouldn’t or can’t own a home right now.  Have we learned anything since our investment and mortgage collapse this year?  Apparently not, according to the verbiage on this ad in my local paper I found last week.  Check it out.  You have to wonder is this kind of bull rot and pack of lies being pushed all across the country.  It said:

We have to Approve 40 Renters For New Homes By Memorial Day!!
Just Divorced?
Recent Bankruptcy?
Self-Employed?
No Savings??
Disability income??
First Time Homebuyer??
WE DO NOT CARE!!

100% Financing Available, $8,000 Tax Credit!!
Celebrate July 4th in your own backyard
$850 RENT X 12 months = $10,200 In Lost $$$

Pay Your Own Mortgage, Not Your Landlord’s!!!
Government Loans Have Millions in Unused Funds That Must Be Spent By July 2009
THESE ARE YOUR TAX DOLLARS, CLAIM YOUR SHARE!!!

Isn’t it wonderful that our Government has so much money and MUST spend its extra millions?  It’s our right and our share you know!

Am I so heartless?

I’m certainly all for lending institutions being fair, decent and really trying to help a person get into a home, but it is insane, judging from the nightmare financial melt down over the last decade, to ignore kindergarten common sense in business!

Simple questions
Why would you give a loan to anyone who has shown massive late payments on bills?  Of course I want to do business with a bank that looks fairly and at the uniqueness of each situation i.e.  a vicious divorce that ruined someone’s credit, BUT, they have a great job and verified good credit before the divorce, perhaps a small down payment.

Having a heart though is different then turning all business transactions into a co-dependent Disney land whose rides crash.

In our culture, we worship irresponsibility and demonize the achievers who actually pay their bills on time.  I have seen this from personal experience. 
Our country must get back to honoring faithfulness, talent and responsibility in business again.  Stop rewarding failure and idiots!  Hope you read it in it’s entirety!
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11405

Couldn’t have said it any better myself!

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By prole, May 27, 2009 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

Poor Bob Scheer, “filled with doubt and guilt” having again maybe voted the wrong way in another “big deal” election. In the last one he was brimming with confidence, just having voted for his hero Obama “with enthusiasm”. Apparently his son or anyone else hasn’t yet dared break the news to him that he just might have been even more wrong in that one, too.  So Scheer goes on covering for his savior, desperately - and not undeservedly - scapegoating everyone in his retinue but never, ever daring to blaspheme St. Barack himself. Scheer can heap abuse on the noxious Summers and Geithner for the shady banking bailout and the odious Axelrod and Gibbs for their “tough-love steeliness” toward California, etc, all well and good. - but when it comes time to a final reckoning, he, like so many other liberal publicists, just cannot bring themselves to utter a syllable of criticism of the Man himself. Obama must be spared at all costs. So we can all go on beleiving that it’s all just like a real-life Shakespearean tragedy, with our beloved, saintly king trying to do right whilst his evil coutiers are plotting behind his back, and “take solace” in that. Perhaps though, we might take greater solace in the hope that it really is “another Boston Tea Party” - the first one after all was followed by a revolution and we sure could use another one of those right about now. Especially with a royalist like Obama in office. But in the unfortunate event that a sorely needed revolution doesn’t spring up, there are other sources of federal funds that could be diverted to the Golden State. “As the Los Angeles Times reported: ‘Schwarzenegger has proposed slashing state spending on education by $3 billion to help close the budget gap, and the state would pay dearly’” How ironic, $3billion - that’s exactly the amount of federal tax dollars that’s given in military aid every year to that fascist state of Israel to murder Palestinian schoolchildren and carry out many other similar heinous crimes. In fact, AIPAC goon Obama has pledged $30 billion in new aid to the outlaw Jewish state over the next ten years - more than enough to cover California’s $21 billion deficit. Many in Wahington may “seriously believe that the national economy can snap back to health if California is in the dump” but does anyone seriously believe that AIPAC whores like Pelosi or Obama or Frank would dream of cutting aid to Israel because of any fiscal crisis - let alone for moral considerations. Can anyone possibly imagine a zionist fixer like Axelrod showing the same “tough-love steeliness” to Israeli schoolkids that he does to California schoolkids, let alone Palestinian schoolkids? Can anyone imagine Robert Gibbs intoning: “‘Obviously, [Israel] has to make some very tough fiscal decisions … [given] the budgetary constraints that they have.’” ”Tough for whom? Not the politicians of either party”, Likud or Kadima or their analogs in zionist Amerika, the Repub’s and Dem’s. “Bail out [fascist Israel] but not the 500,000 poor families with children served by the CalWorks program, which will be dismantled, or the 928,000 children covered by the Healthy Families program, slated for oblivion.” “How can there be federal funds readily available for [Israeli bombers] but not to keep teachers in the classroom with their students? It must have been the kids who caused the” Occupation. Now American kids can live like Palestinian kids, courtesy of St.Barack and the “tough-love steeliness” of the two fascist Jewish states.

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By Jason!!, May 27, 2009 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

The premise of this argument is flawed. Wall street did not cause California’s woes.

If you cant figure that out (or admit it), you are probably one of those living off the tax dollars that really led to this problem.

You ever hear the phrase “you can kill a cow by overmilking it”?

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By Russian Paul, May 27, 2009 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

Why isn’t anyone talking about canceling the High-Speed Rail BOONDOGGLE that we already put aside 10 billion dollars for? I hear the project will end up costing over 50 billion, how could we even consider such a wasteful project at a time like this?

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By Old Ed Of The Delta, May 27, 2009 at 11:09 am Link to this comment
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Obama and the U.S. Treasury should lend the state of California sufficient funds to make up the short fall in the state’s budget under the following condition first. 

A 20% cut in salary across the board of all state of California employees appears to only be quick term solution to the state’s fiscal Armageddon. In this case means a cut in the state legislators’’ and their staff salaries too.

I can anticipate the cries of those who accepted state employment at a lesser amount of salaries than they thought they could have received in the private sector, but chose instead state government careers over private employment for the sake of a steady income and job security. At the present time, California state employees are well compensated and have one of the best pension and health care systems in the United States.

If these folks cannot accept a 20% reduction in pay at this time then this in an opportunity for them to seek other employment more commensurate with their skills in the private sector. The positions that these folks leave vacant upon terminating state government employment can be readily filled at a cost much lower to the taxpayers.

State of California employees who take a voluntary or involuntary 20% reduction in salary must be ready to adapt to a more fugal life style. Some will say they have contractual obligations that must be satisfied on a timely basis. This is probably true in many instances, but this is a chance the “obligates” and “obbligatos” must consider that some element of chance, and change is always with us, and learn to accommodate one another through negotiation if either one is to survive. It is commonly called biting the bullet.

The final solution calls for a more realistic approach in this never ending catastrophe of spending and revenue. The theory that government should be run like a profit making business in not necessarily true. The government at any level should serve the needs of its citizens first and is not necessarily a profit making entity. If this can be accomplished, any surplus in the treasury should be used for purposes that help society as a whole or saved for a “rainy-day” or refunded to the taxpayers.

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By bluelori, May 27, 2009 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

Why in heavens name do you think I should be responsible for bailing out the people in California?  I did not like the Bank Bailouts either but I do not think WE the people in Wisconsin should have to then be FORCED (STOLEN FROM ROBBED THROUGH TAXES) to pay for the people and the stupidity of Californians either!!!!

Has it ever dawned on any of you that to do the so called good of all your socialist spending you must FIRST do EVIL by stealing our hard earned money?

Send home the Illegal Aliens and make better choices or stop your whining and pay for all that nonsense yourself.

Prediction Economic Eclipse into Darkness 2009 with the smelly ones Reckless spending and his corrupt ways of bailing out his backers at the banks.  Why do you act soooo surprised if people like you Mr. S had taken the time to investigate him to begin with you would have known he was paid off by the banks in fact Citigroup was the largest donor to the Abominations Inaugeration.  Faber is prediction Zimbabwe Style Inflation I think it will be far worse than that plunging our beloved America into Economic Darkness for years and years far worse than the Long Depression started by the Panic of 1873.

If the question on a Game Show was You are broke do you….A. Pay down your debt and save some money for a rainy day or B. Spend like there is no tomorrow and hope you win the Lottery or Tax those still left working until it makes no sense to work anymore that you may just as well join the losers on the welfare roles until there is no one left to tax?

Well anyone with an average intellect would know the answer. How on Earth do you expect Americans to just keep footing the bill for everyone and everything when people like clinton made UNFAIR TRADE AGREEMENTS like Nafta and outsourced decent jobs and the smelly one now broke his promise to reopen and fix it?  Have you all gone insane?  Middle Class Americans have seen the bulk of their Wealth disappear with the Housing Disaster and the 401K’s too maybe it is time the rest of the Losers including the parents of the children you speak about pay their own way!  Mr. Hope and Change will leave us all asking hey buddy can you spare a dime?

http://www.businessinsider.com/faber-100-sure-us-will-have-zimbabwe-style-hyperinflation-2009-5

http://247wallst.com/2009/05/27/housing-is-not-just-bad-its-getting-worse/

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1062-What-Are-Those-Chickens-Doing.html

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1065-The-Looting-Has-Become-Brazen.html

http://www.leap2020.eu/Towards-a-world-war-of-interest-rates-aimed-at-capturing-global-savings_a3291.html

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By KDelphi, May 27, 2009 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

AsburySteve—here is a good example…

http://socialistworker.org/2008/09/15/california-crisis

This is Peter Camejo, from 2008. (origin 2005)

“..What we must not do is try to form a political bloc with the Democrats. Because the progressive Democrats have chosen to be in a party that is pro-war, pro-PATRIOT Act, anti-labor, pro-corporate and corrupt. That’s a contradiction for them, but that’s their choice…..

...For us to have good working relations with them, we must make it clear that we are totally independent from the Democrats, and that we don’t agree with their decision to have joined that party. If we instead form a political alliance, then we begin to destroy the power and educational value of trying to win people by explaining to them what’s wrong with the Democrats….
...We cannot build an alternative to the Democrats without being independent of them—so that people, as they begin to see through the Democrats over time, have a clear and unambiguous choice, which has stood up against the Democrats. If the (Party) makes the mistake of following those who call for fusion—...., to the public’s perception, an element within the big tent of the Democratic Party—that will be the destruction of (that party).....

....In Latin America right now, we see the signs of a beginning of a new radicalization that is sweeping the continent. Massive demonstrations in countries like Bolivia, and developments in Brazil and Argentina and Venezuela show masses of people trying to organize against the neoliberal, pro-corporate program, and questioning the whole concept that markets should rule over people….”

More at the website…

Peter Camejo, a longtime socialist, a leading voice of the 1960s anti-Vietnam War movement and a left-wing candidate for vice president and California governor in the 2000s….

He will be remembered by all those who met or heard him as a determined fighter and one of the left’s finest speakers in articulating the principles of our struggles for justice and freedom.

Peter was at the heart of the 1960s struggles as a student leader at the University of California-Berkeley. He was a member of the Socialist Workers Party and ran as its presidential candidate in 1976.

In the 2000s, he became a leading figure in the Green Party, running for governor of California three times and winning more than 5 percent of the vote in 2002. In 2004, he was the vice presidential candidate in Ralph Nader’s independent campaign.

As a tribute, SocialistWorker.org is republishing our most recent interview with Peter…


Peter Camejo

CAN YOU talk about the scale of the crisis in California?

THE CRISIS that exists now in California was created by the Republicans and Democrats.


More, at the website…
http://socialistworker.org/2008/09/15/california-crisis

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By BobZ, May 27, 2009 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

Proposition 13 started the long slow decline of California from one of the best run states in the union to one of the worst. Our education systems from K-12 is now on a par with Mississippi, unless you live in a wealthy suburb. Our road system is also a joke. Our system of governance is byzantine with all of the counterproductive referandums approved by the voters which petty much tie the hands of our state legislators. They have a difficult time doing their jobs when it takes 60% vote to approve a budget, while a bare majority of voters can take away civil rights. The government should bail out California and the other states but only with the proviso that these states get their house in order by coming up with realistic state consitutions that don’t tie the hands of state legislators. As it is California contributes more to the federal government that is receives back in services unlike states such as South Carolina.

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By chuckie2u, May 27, 2009 at 10:50 am Link to this comment
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The UTOPIA envisioned for the WORKING class by Marx has certainly never materialized. It never will happen. This country is an OLIGARCHY which by its very nature keeps MONEY in the hands of the RULING POLITICAL ELITE and the CORPORATE ELITES who support them.
It is rather clear the POLITICIANS in California are no different than Politicians in any State. Money flows to the filthy rich while what is left of the Middle Class has to support their excesses along with their WELFARE STATE.

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By anaman, May 27, 2009 at 10:33 am Link to this comment
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Given a shortfall, there’s only one thing a well-off elected official can think of to do, and that’s pick up the old budget axe and go running to social services. This is not only happening in California. I live in Washington State, and in recent days our Governor has decided that people on Medicaid don’t need certain medications. This has been going on for some time now. Legislative bodies meet and decide which expensive medication the poor can no longer have. They’re playing doctor with real people’s lives, but that’s the rub, isn’t it? The poor, disabled, and elderly of this country are no longer seen as “real people.” They lost that capacity when they became unable to pay taxes. Once a person reaches that state of being in this country, they find themselves to be redundant.

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By KDelphi, May 27, 2009 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

AsburySteve—and your response is a bunch of corporate Democratic Party websites??

I have signed many peititons are the petition site. do you have a site where I can get a scholarship to a city where I can protest with more people? Moveon.org has been mostly silent on anything Obama does, so hell with them. (I unsubscrived)care2 is a “greenpower” corporate website for people that think that Waxman’s bill on climate change is almost a Revolution.(I unsubscribed)

If you want “change” that will really help Calif and all the states and people in them, you have to step away from the duopoly. Both parties are busy contributing to the problem.

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By C-en, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Since 1978 California has been buried under Proposition 13.  Prop 13 was sold as a populist panacea, the reality is that Prop 13 is and always was a goldmine for big business, any help that Prop 13 extended to ordinary homeowners should be considered collateral help, not the true intention of the Proposition.

Let’s take two local cases:
    1. An apartment complex with over 130 units is taxed at about $30,000 based on an accessed valuation of $3Million (26 cents per square foot of living space per year) a total of $234 in taxes per year for each 900 sq. ft. apartment.  This complex was built prior to Prop 13.  Each apartment rents on the highish end of ‘WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR’ in this area, about $15 per square foot per year (about $1150 per month for a 900 sq. ft. apartment).

    2. A 1700 square foot house was sold in 2002 for $495,000, today, that house has an accessed value of about $525,000 (based on the formula of a 1% increase per year).  In the tax year 2008-2009 the property tax owed for this property was about $5250 or about $3.09 per square foot per year, nearly 12 times the property tax per square foot that is paid by a ‘what the market will bear’ apartment/

  Something seems terribly out of whack when a property marketed as an upscale complex in a nice area is taxed at 1/12 the tax that a single family home in an OK area is taxed.  The corporate owners of the apartment complex pocket about $2.83 per square foot per year for each of the more than 117,000 square feet of space in this one complex, that’s $331,000, from the money that is paid by the tenants in anticipation of government services to be rendered.

  To benefit the owner of this complex, laws have been media hyped and lobbied into place that give a surplus profit to this large apartment complex owner. Services rendered to the people in those units are taxed at 1/12 the value that a single family non-corporate owner pays for those same services.

  One complex, one owner,  $331,000 that has been paid in good faith by the tenant, for services, now multiply that by every single ‘what the market will bear’ rental property in California and get a small idea of what the magnitude of this heist of the property taxes.

  Since this money should have been paid to the state (under any reasonable system) this money is in effect one more example of welfare for the richest among us.  This class really does drive around in Mercedes and really do wear $500 loafers.

  The eternal corporate person has rights, privileges and advantages never dreamed of by the mere mortal non-corporate person.  This corporate person can combine with other corporate persons to mount massive media campaigns, designed and distributed by their corporate person brotherhood to benefit corporate persons everywhere.  And the wealth keeps circling ever upward as our society comes a tumblin’ down.

  I remember the terrible burden that property taxes had become to the average working person prior to Prop 13.  I remember the discussions pro and con about proposition 13 and I also understand that Jarvis and Gann were opportunists in that they masqueraded as populists when in fact they were carrying a corporate agenda forward.

  The plunder perpetrated by corporate henchmen who proposition and legislate us into third world status has burdened our schools, our cities and our state for the last 30 years. Putting more money into the hands of the very wealthy is not healthy for our society, the big lie of trickle down is dead.  Paying taxes in the form of rent is paying taxes. Laws that do not move that money into the support of the commons are beyond flawed, they are criminal.

  When I have asked elected officials to bring this issue to the table, I have repeatedly been told that any adjustment to Proposition 13 is ‘off the table’.  .

  Why?

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By Cathy, May 27, 2009 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

I thought about this at the beginning of the bailout and the state deficit numbers started piling up.  I kept thinking why not just bail out the states?  It is a fraction of what is needed by the banks and it directly helps the people.  I don’t know, maybe that’s a strange logic, but it did seem reasonable a few months back, even before Obama was sworn in, and the bad numbers from the states were coming in.  The proposals in New York are alarming for the majority who are not wealthy—a zillion new ways by Patterson—and Bloomberg in NYC—to get blood from a stone—or else we all get screwed even worse.

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By C-en, May 27, 2009 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

Since 1978 California has been buried under Proposition 13.  Prop 13 was sold as some populist panacea, the reality is that Prop 13 is and always was a goldmine for big business, any help that Prop 13 extended to ordinary homeowners should be considered collateral help, not the true intention of the Proposition.

Let’s take two local cases:
    1. An apartment complex with over 130 units is taxed at about $30,000 based on an accessed valuation of $3Million (26 cents per square foot of living space per year) a total of $234 in taxes per year for each 900 sq. ft. apartment.  This complex was built prior to Prop 13.  Each apartment rents on the highish end of what ‘the market will bear’ in this area, about $15 per square foot per year (about $1150 per month for a 900 sq. ft. apartment), WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR.

    2. A 1700 square foot house was sold in 2002 for $495,000, today, that house has an accessed value of about $525,000 (based on the formula of a 1% increase per year).  In the tax year 2008-2009 the property tax owed for this property was about $5250 or about $3.09 per square foot per year, nearly 12 times the property tax per square foot that is paid by a ‘what the market will bear’ apartment/

  Something seems terribly out of whack when a property marketed as an upscale complex in a nice area is taxed at 1/12 the tax that a single family home in an OK area is taxed.  The corporate owners of the apartment complex pocket about $2.83 per square foot per year for each of the more than 117,000 square feet of space in this one complex, that’s $331,000, from the money that is paid by the tenants in anticipation of government services to be rendered.

  To benefit the owner of this complex, laws have been media hyped and lobbied into place that give a surplus profit to this large apartment complex owner. Services rendered to the people in those units are taxed at 1/12 the value that a single family non-corporate owner pays for those same services.

  One complex, one owner,  $331,000 that has been paid in good faith by the tenant, for services, now multiply that by every single ‘what the market will bear’ rental property in California and get a small idea of what the magnitude of this heist of the property taxes.

  Since this money should have been paid to the state (under any reasonable system) this money is in effect one more example of welfare for the richest among us.  This class really does drive around in Mercedes and really do wear $500 loafers.

  The eternal corporate person has rights, privileges and advantages never dreamed of by the mere mortal non-corporate person.  This corporate person can combine with other corporate persons to mount massive media campaigns, designed and distributed by their corporate person brotherhood to benefit corporate persons everywhere.  And the wealth keeps circling ever upward as our society comes a tumblin’ down.

  I remember the terrible burden that property taxes had become to the average working person prior to Prop 13.  I remember the discussions pro and con about proposition 13 and I also understand that Jarvis and Gann were opportunists in that they masqueraded as populists when in fact they were carrying a corporate agenda forward.

  The plunder perpetrated by corporate henchmen who proposition and legislate us into third world status has burdened our schools, our cities and our state for the last 30 years. Putting more money into the hands of the very wealthy is not healthy for our society, the big lie of trickle down is dead.  Paying taxes in the form of rent is paying taxes. Laws that do not move that money into the support of the commons are like beyond flawed, they are criminal.

  When I have asked elected officials to bring this issue to the table, I have repeatedly been told that any adjustment to Proposition 13 is ‘off the table’.  .

  Why?

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By AsburySteve1952, May 27, 2009 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

K-Delphi,

I was defending Californians, not criticizing them:

“American People, NOT just those in California, ARE all responsible for this!

You’re Lazy, Shiftless, FAT and living in your “Comfort Zone”, so you stay HOME when Good, Decent People are protesting in Washington.”

And I wasn’t talking about the People who DO go to Rallies & Protests, but the ones who sit at home. It’s better to go to Washington, but during the big Rallies, they have locations all over the Country to go to. And usually, there’s a Big One in San Francisco, NYC and a few other places.

The POINT was that a VERY Small Percentage of the AMERICAN People over all DO participate in Protests, especially regularly.

You can also sign petitions & letters on MANY Web Sites, as well! They are forwarded to your Senators & Congressmen, and they DO have an effect.

But IF enough people ARE Protesting, then WHY isn’t it working? Maybe boycotting certain businesses of large Corporations MAY have an effect? Hit their Wallets, and they May notice ... What do you think about that?

Try some Web Sites like MoveOn.org, http://www.thepetitionsite.com/, http://www.care2.com/ , http://www.change.org/  and others to sign petitions and to have your Voice heard on MANY Issues.

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By Gezelda, May 27, 2009 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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It’s the philosophy, stupid.  Take from the poor because that’s the way the philosophy of the “system” works in the short run and who cares about the long run.  If and when the “system” ever gets interested in the long run and in poor people, things will change for the better.

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By csavage, May 27, 2009 at 9:51 am Link to this comment
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There isn’t really any reason to think that the rest of the country won’t be going the way of California in a few years. We’ve been infected by a mentality of low taxes at any cost, even if it threatens continued survival of our culture with poor educational opportunities and poor healthcare for our children.There also isn’t any reason to think Obama wasn’t going to be subjected to influence of corporate lobbyists. He might have been elected relatively handily, but there’s no reason to think Democratic legislators can ride his coattail, so the appeasement of the corporate interests persist. We, as a nation, have abrogated our respect of individualism for fear of corporate reprisals in the form of outsourced jobs and layoffs. Until our government fears us as citizens and until our corporations fear us as potential stikers or boycotters, our situation will not improve. Wealth will be concentrated in the top 1% of the population until another revolution occurs. We haven’t reached our breaking point yet-we’re still too busy watching “American Idol”

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By KDelphi, May 27, 2009 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

P.T.—True, but , more like, they wil ONLY bail themselves out.
Folktruther—Agree once again…really..the anti-rich movement.

Also the Poor Peoples’ Political Party
http://poorpeoplesparty.org/news/when-will-the-economy-make-a-come-back/ (Although, most are too busy working to oppose who they need to be opposing)

When Delphi (of GM) folded here, about 6 mos before we bought off Wall St and got circle jerked, the CEO stood at a podium , on local tv, and, said, “Some have proposed that we make the salary cuts ‘across the board’! Now , I realize that many are angry, so I’m going to let that one go, but you had better come to your right minds, about this and fast…blah, blah, blah” I thought “yu m-fer!!”

Steve—well, you certainly are self -righteous! How do you know that people here havent been to protest?! I havent been to DC to protest, because I cant afford to go (I’ve been to ONE since 1999). But, I protest , usually in groups of 2 or 3, around here. And this sure aint California! so we get egged, beer cans, etc.

Gimme a websit and offer me a scholarpship—I’ll go, if it is anti-rich people, who are the cause of all of our problems, including wars..

Before HR 676—-I have been working on universal natl heatlh care for decades. BOTH parties block it everytime. Obama wont even let Conyers on the panel!

Clinton did no band-aids—-he cut deeper. and if Pres Obama has such “good intensions” , he has a funny way of showing it…maybe he should stop lecturing people in dire straits everytime he signs a half-assed bill , supposedly to “help the poor and middle class”—oh, thats right—he cant say “poor”—we’re all just ‘aspiring middle class”.

And the “lazy, fat, shiftless” Californians, are NOT the ones who will pay the price for this. The poor ALWAYS do in ‘Merka.

We need to stop voting in movie stars—of all kinds!

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By thebeerdoctor, May 27, 2009 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

re: Inherit The Wind

Yes the Enron debacle generated in Washington. But what I attempted to point out was that when they deliberately shut down power plants to cause artificial brown-outs in order to raise the price for their speculative hedge fund, it was up to the state of California to protect its citizens from such fraudulent abuse of their power grid. But that went against the unfettered, unregulated free market that was the prevailing mantra, not only in California, but all across the United States. The same god damn bullshit that the wizards who advice Obama now try to airbrush out of their resumes.
But with Arnold leading the charge, Californians have only themselves to look to.

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By McBrewster, May 27, 2009 at 8:54 am Link to this comment
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Bob, you’re brilliant!

Please don’t ever stop speaking truth to power!  You’re my hero!

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By P. T., May 27, 2009 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

Other states, not just California (which keeps the U.S. afloat), are sinking like rocks.  More will follow.

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By rockinrobin, May 27, 2009 at 8:39 am Link to this comment
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Gov is a “tool” for businesses to tell it what to do: Oregon legislator; http://www.microcosmotalk.com/live/health/canola; exposes political connections to Monsanto; makers of Agent Orange; & how the SOLID science is NEVER brought forth to the PUBLIC: what we have is “political” science of fabricated falsehoods; FASCISM is HERE folks; per attorney in Oregon, you are not even recognized nor do you have any RIGHTS unless you are a Corporation; Rockefeller owns 93 percent of Pharma; NO country uses CHEMICALS the way the USA does & IT is all geared to HARM you; then force you to pay them again to get “healed”; laws are written for looks to appease the public; then ignored; the “two” party system agenda is the SAME: EXPLOITATION which is TARGET & HARM for PERSONAL profit & gain: a CRIME; backed up by a “judicial” system who in reality is more criminal than any appearing b/4 them; busy poisoning the water supply of the USA claiming to be “broke” while giving the “water” supply to politician owned Company Monsanto: who BTW, makes WHITE PHOSPEROUS, FORMALDEHYDE and ALL the “genetically made seeds” which are ALL geared to HARM the HEALTH to make THEMSELVES more WEALTH; oh, and the REASON 4 the “supposed” 2 party system? well, people MUST have a CHOICE; (divide & conquor)there’s your answer to why so many wars to: profits in the trillions for themselves; this folks is why “democracy” is the most despised name on the planet; every other nation knows but USA

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By Eugen, May 27, 2009 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

California isn’t the only state in trouble, but the point is that the federal government has bent over backwards spending our money to bail out banks who keep building bigger and better banks. The reason some of you can’t admit that the federal government has either a weird set of priorities or an agenda that doesn’t have the best interests of the American people, is that you don’t want to admit your president is a puppet. He’s a puppet, President Howdy Doody.

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By Thomas Mc, May 27, 2009 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

The H8 State of California should not get one thin dime of my federal tax money!

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By ron hansing, May 27, 2009 at 8:29 am Link to this comment
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I do not think the banks, nor california should be bailed out. Period. The problem is not deregulations, but regulations by congress.

Congress told the banks to make subprime loans… Congress passed the credit default swap act of 2000, without reading the bill and a 100% vote of congress.

I oculd go on and on but until we face the reality that it is the congress that created the mess, and a greater mess by trying to solve the first mess.

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By herewegoagain, May 27, 2009 at 8:23 am Link to this comment
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Ok, so plan A and plan B are out. Seems to me California has plenty of wealthy residents in Beverly Hills, Hollywood, etc who could raise money to rescue the state that has helped them earn so much money. Spielberg, are you listening?

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By AsburySteve1952, May 27, 2009 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

AmiBlue is wrong, when she says “It’s not the economy that got California into trouble.  The voters got themselves into this mess and must decide if they want to live with reduced police, fire, health and school services or increase taxes.”! 

Over 20 States now have severe fiscal problems, including us in NJ. And we were in GOOD Shape before “Bush’s Recession”, which has radically reduced State Incomes from Payroll Taxes, Gasoline taxes, Toll Taxes, Sales Tax, etc.

It’s true that Governments CAN cut a bunch of Waste if they try harder. But the recession has had a MASSIVE Impact on our Lives, Coast to Coast!

But even Las Vegas is having just about the WORST Time that it’s had since gambling was established there many years ago. They also got caught up in the “Over Building”, which Developers are guilty of.

Let’s face Reality—- The Super Wealthy top 4% of the Country’s People own & control over 59% of Everything! They decide mostly WHAT gets built, and when & where!

And right now the Super Wealthy are “picking up the pieces at bargain rates” of what has failed. People lose their homes, and investors scoop them up! Banks fail, and their Executives walk away with a $50 Million check. They don’t care.

But, as Dwight Baker’s article said ” We must as a coalition take our power [3 to 5 million of us] to Congress and the Senate and say boys and girls we come to have the final and most powerful vote on all issues.  So move over give us a seat or get out.”

He’s 100% RIGHT! I’ve been saying the SAME thing for over 5 years! I’ve been to dozens of Protest rallies in Washington, s most Anti-War Rallies, and NEVER did I see over 1 Million People there!

It’s a Monetary, Ethical, Equality and Justice Issue that we’re dealing with here, NOT just a Political One! The Republicans who voted for Bush got us INTO this, and the LAME, Coward Democrats who take money from Corporations and OWE them are KEEPING us in a Mess! We could have Universal Single Payer Health Care for our entire Country and it’s over 300 Million People within one year, or less, if our Senators & Congressman weren’t taking “Bribes” from Corporations. Check it out at http://www.hr676.org/

And WHY are we at War? PROFITS, not our Safety. We’re actually LESS safe than we were in 2002! But Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater and 500 or more other Companies have funneled over $3 Trillion of Taxpayer Money through their businesses, and into the hands of the Wealthy

American People, NOT just those in California, ARE all responsible for this!

You’re Lazy, Shiftless, FAT and living in your “Comfort Zone”, so you stay HOME when Good, Decent People are protesting in Washington. AND, you say THEY are “Nut Cases”, but in reality, THEY are our ONLY Hope to save the U.S. before it becomes a Total Third World Country, which is what the Rich WANT. They want to wipe OUT the Middle Class, and BURY the Poor, Minorities, the Weak & the Sick!

Don’t believe me? OK, wait until EVERYTHING falls apart. Reagan started things going down hill. Clinton applied some “Band aid” fixes. Bush continued Reagan’s tearing apart of the Middle Class, and did the most harm in 225 years to America. Obama had good intentions, but he’s already giving in to Corporate Interests, and selling US out. In 2003, he was FOR Single Payer Health Care. NOW, as President, he’s taken it OFF of the Table! And there’s NO Money for “Universal Health Care”, unless it comes from Insurance Profits, which are Gouging Americans daily!

So, is everyone going to sit on their Couch Over & Over as GOOD People march by themselves on Washington?

Don’t blame Californians, or those in NJ, or NY, or Texas. Blame the Rich and Yourselves ... Because YOU won’t Join us in Protest ... You watch it on TV! And that’s what the Rich are Counting on!

Peace,

Steve

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By BigEasy, May 27, 2009 at 7:49 am Link to this comment
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Torture the children. Play adult games-albeit with incompetence-and allow the poor, the homeless, the elderly and the young to live in squalor. In Marin, we have over 410 emergency service people who make in excess of $100K. Many of those are well over $200K and around 24 even make $400K or more. A firechief makes around $400K.

What kind of country have we become?

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By Mary Hath Spokane, May 27, 2009 at 7:45 am Link to this comment
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Robert,
    You are so wonderful!  Have I told you lately how much I love you!  Arnold is wonderful too - he is just trying to do the best for CA citizens.  I spoke personally with Ron Paul, (such a dear, dear man, on Friday).  He said congress would bail CA out, “afterall they bailed out cars, don’t you think they would bail out people?”
    What is happening is great!  The true evil in this world, as you and your readers know, is the power in the shadows, the graymen.  These (mostly foreign banking) families ‘control’ our central banks and the IMF ( which when in trouble is bailed out by you know who - the American taxpayer!!)  Since Napoleon was given money by Rothchild for his ‘war of vanit’ all wars, recessions etc. have been cleverly preplanned by this group for their benefit.  It is past time that American citizens WAKE UP!!
  I am dressing as LIBERTY this summer and taking this message of TRUTH to the American people with the GREATAMERICANPEACEMARCH.com 40Days/40Cities I invite your readers to check out my YOUTUBE video: UnitedNationsPeacePledge and my website:
  http://www.MaryHathSpokane.com

If all of us join in UNITY we can awaken our fellow Americans to the real threat of the graymen control.  Furthermore, we TOGETHER can stop their power in this world to take human life, take away our rights as puppet Obama is attempting to do (as witnessed by yesterday’s speech) and to rape our beautiful Mother Earth and its little, helpless creatures.  Getting this TRUTH public will take our fearlessness and total resolve. I AM FEARLESS as you will all see when you watch my TouTube Video.  This is the most critical period in human history.  I have the resolve to know that the greed, control, rape and violence is the PAST.  I AM SETTING FREE THE FUTURE of love, health, happiness and abundance for All the People of the World - WE ARE ONE!
  Mary Hath Spokane, author United Nations Peace Pledge:
        “We are Peace Prophets.
We will never kill a brother or sister Human Being.  We believe only the Creator of the Human Life has the right to end that Life.”

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By Protester, May 27, 2009 at 7:15 am Link to this comment
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According to the Los Angeles County Assessor’s office the total assessed property valuation has almost doubled since 2001. It seems to me, even accounting for foreclosures, that this would have increased municipal revenue by at minimum 50%. Why is this not part of the discussion when speaking of the state’s economic problems?

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By clymela, May 27, 2009 at 7:01 am Link to this comment
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Whoa!! folks.  As a Calirornia resident, a native Calirofnian I voted against everything because the governor still plans to cut the pay of IHSS workers who help the aged and disabled stay in the community and he is cutting the payments to the totally disabled with a blunt axe and still prevents them from applying for food stamps.
Yes-get rid of the rich and powerful which means get some new blood in Sacramento but how can we when California agreed to let this movie-star become governor?

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By Jon, May 27, 2009 at 6:52 am Link to this comment
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So California was essentially swimming naked and the financial tide went out.  While some of the issue relates to California’s inability to tax sufficiently so that its citizens pay for services, it’s also due to the financial crash, and I join with others here who ask how it is that the banks get bailed out, while Main Street is allowed to ‘fail,’ with lectures given about responsibility, etc.  Does the steely tough-love from the Obama White House only apply to California, or does it apply across all states? 

I looks to me that the American citizen has been raided (Treasury) to pay bank bailout monies, and that the citizen is also being told: pick yourself up by your bootstraps—when it comes to helping Main Street.

Something is wrong here, in my view, that all of a sudden the states are supposed to independently solve their financial issues, while state citizens are held responsible to pay for the bank bailout. 

We get market forces, and ‘that’s life’ lectures, while the banks get welfare out of our pockets.

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By Paul, May 27, 2009 at 6:29 am Link to this comment
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I live in Nebraska, the most ridiculous state in the nation, but California is coming up fast and getting ready to pass us.

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By Lori, May 27, 2009 at 6:11 am Link to this comment
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I don’t agree with bailing out the banks but I do not know why you think I should bail out California either.  We have our own INSANE Politicians here who think we should be robbed to pay for everyone elses POOR CHOICES.

Many of the “children” you refer to in California are Illegal Aliens and should be sent back to their own country and perhaps you wouldn’t need all the additional funding. 

Has it ever dawned on you that by “Stealing” money in the form of Taxation something Evil that would otherwise be a jailable offense takes place so the effect is to do your so called good for all these people you must first do something Evil to another?  Maybe the other person you are Robbing Blind to pay for your social programs has needs of their own but they are forced through Taxation to put them off to Pay for those others you refer to?  Obviously not and then you think I should also be Forced to pay for all the Dim Wits in California as well?  Because that is my Fault how? 

Like I said I do not like the Bailouts for the Banks either but I am certainly not suprised.  The Resident received the most contributions from his buddies at the Banks.  Citigroup was the largest contributor to his Obscene Abomination Inaugeration. 

Mr. Hope and Change was and is a Joke but the Joke is more on those who were filled with Hopenosis since you actually thought he would be different must feel like a loved one calling you and saying they have an incurable STD and you should now get tested.

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