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Yoo’s Views Make Philly News

Posted on May 19, 2009
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By Amy Goodman

The Philadelphia Inquirer, one of that city’s two major daily newspapers, is in the news itself these days after hiring controversial former Bush administration lawyer John Yoo as a monthly columnist.

Letters and e-mails critical of the Inquirer are pouring in. “How in the world could John Yoo’s legal analysis of anything be informative?” wrote Lisa Ernst of Philadelphia. “What next? An investment advice column by Bernie Madoff?” Will Bunch of the rival Philadelphia Daily News wrote, “It’s not about muzzling John Yoo from expressing his far-out-of-the-mainstream opinion in the many venues that are available to him, but whether a major American newspaper should give Yoo, his actions, and the notion of torture advocacy its implied endorsement by handing him a megaphone.”

Yoo served from 2001 to 2003 as a deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel in the Bush Justice Department, where he worked under Jay Bybee. There, Yoo authored or co-authored “torture memos,” the legal advice given to the Bush White House authorizing harsh interrogation practices. Yoo defined torture in one memo: “The victim must experience intense pain or suffering of the kind that is equivalent to the pain that would be associated with serious physical injury, so severe that death, organ failure, or permanent damage resulting in a loss of significant body function will likely result.”

Judge Baltasar Garzon of the Spanish National Court is moving ahead with an investigation of “The Bush Six,” which includes Yoo and Bybee, as well as former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; William J. Haynes II, then general counsel to the Department of Defense; Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense for policy; and David Addington, the chief of staff under former Vice President Dick Cheney. These six could possibly face criminal charges in Spain for enabling torture at Guantanamo and elsewhere. They might think twice before traveling abroad to Spain or other European nations. Yoo, Bybee and another Bush Justice Department attorney, Steven G. Bradbury, face an investigation into their conduct by the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility. The Justice Department could forward the report to state bar associations, where the attorneys could be disciplined, possibly disbarred. Bybee, now a federal judge, could be impeached.

The disbarment strategy has been embraced by grass-roots activists as well. The group said, “On Monday, May 18, 2009, a broad coalition of organizations dedicated to accountable government, and representing over one million members, filed disciplinary complaints with state bar licensing boards against ... twelve attorneys for advocating the torture of detainees during the Bush Administration.”

Disbarment would certainly be a problem for many of these people, perhaps costing them their jobs. But the detention and interrogation practices that gained their official sanction, from the highest level of the executive branch, have had much more serious and far-reaching consequences for hundreds, if not thousands, of people around the globe.

John Sifton is a human-rights investigator who recently wrote a piece titled “The Bush Administration Homicides.” He concludes that “an estimated 100 detainees have died during interrogations, some who were clearly tortured to death.” He told me: “These aggressive techniques were not just limited to the high-value detainee program in the CIA. They spread to the military with disastrous results. They led to the deaths of human beings ... when there’s a dead body involved, you can’t just have a debate about policy differences and looking forward or looking backward.”

Bunch told me: “Philadelphia is a city of 4 million people. John Yoo grew up here, but he doesn’t even live here now. And to think this is a voice that’s reflective of the community, frankly, [is] an insult to true conservatives that the best voice they can get on the editorial page is somebody who’s famous for being a torture advocate.”

I was in Philadelphia this past weekend and got to hear Grammy Award-winning soul singer John Legend give the commencement address at the University of Pennsylvania, his alma mater. He said in his speech: “As a nation and as a world, we need more truth. Let me repeat that. We need more truth. ... Too often, in business and in government, people are rewarded for having the answer that the person they report to wants them to have:  ‘Yes, sir. We can provide mortgages to people who have no down payment and can’t afford the monthly payments.’ ...  ‘Yes, ma’am. I can write a legal brief to justify torture.’ ” The students listened with rapt attention.

There are many Philadelphians who can write and inspire debate that leads people to action. John Yoo has done enough harm.

Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column.
Amy Goodman is the host of “Democracy Now!,” a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on more than 750 stations in North America. She is the co-author of “Standing Up to the Madness: Ordinary Heroes in Extraordinary Times,” recently released in paperback.

  © 2009 Amy Goodman

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By MarthaA, May 29, 2009 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment


Read this post by Ralph Nadar, because it pretty much tells you how the CEO’s of big corporations just moved in on the elites and expanded the percentage of the Elite Capitalists, which the DLC Professional Middle Class went right along with the plan:

You are correct, the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION are not personally common at all, it only means that they all have lifestyles in common.  Common means the large 70% population all have relatively the same things in common, do relatively the same things, live relatively the same way, eat relatively the same foods, trade at relatively the same stores, wear relatively the same clothes, work for a living, have common taxes, common community centers, common nursing homes, common hospitals, common automobile types, movies, etc. which are different from the Elite Capitalists, as none of the COMMON POPULATION are big capitalists, big insurance, big pharmaceutical, etc. like the Elite Capitalist corporate-aristocrat population who do not work and seldom drive themselves, as their chauffeurs open their doors and drive them around in limousines, their pilots fly them to and from in their own large airplanes, their servants cook them sturgeon eggs for breakfast, lunch or dinner, black tie dress for formal dinners regularly, dress formally for daily served meals, purchase $20,000+. dresses or sports coats, etc., these are the aristocrats.  The aristocrats are not common to me, are they you?

The 20% DLC NEW Professional MIDDLE CLASS of the Left-Wing’s common population are not common to me, either, they have made themselves a class and culture unto themselves as well and do their best to be equal with the Elite Capitalists, but they have to work for a living, use credit, do speaking engagements, etc. in order to try to keep up with the elite capitalists, as their money range starts at around $200,000/year to higher depending on how much they hob nob with the elite capitalists, as the DLC NEW CLASS are common population pseudo-aristocrats who left the rest of the common population wondering what happened.  And, guess what, the real elites aren’t all that happy with this new pseudo aristocrat class usurping power over them either, but haven’t been able to do anything about it, so far any more than the common population has. 

Neo(New)-liberals are conservatives.  The GOP are conservatives, and have propagandized conservatism to be recognized as liberalism; when you know the difference, the propaganda doesn’t work, because liberalism and conservatism are exactly the opposite of each other.  GOP Republicans and Republicans-Lite use fiscal conservative as a TROPE for political CONSERVATIVE, which is and has always been the FAR RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE. 

People who do not understand that we have a politically unrepresented 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION in the United States ARE short bus people, without a doubt, because there is no way all 3 classes and cultures can be represented with only two political parties in Congress.

You never did say whether or not you had read Barbara Ehrenreich book, “The Fear of Falling—The Inner Life of the Middle Class”.  It is still very cheap at only $1.99 and you can use a debit card.  The following is a synopsis of what it is about:

Bold and controversial, Fear of Falling holds up a mirror to America’s ever more divided and unequal society, and challenges the middle class—the professionals, media personnel, managers, and intellectuals—to be once again the intellect and conscience of America.

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By KDelphi, May 29, 2009 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

MarthaA—I dont know what to say to you, other than, there are not just “liberals” (which Dems are not—most are neo-liberal) and “conservatives” (which GOP are not—many are neo-cons). If you do not know what a neo-liberal is, perhaps you should try a couple of sites, if you are feeling open-minded enough
“Neoliberalism: origins, theory, definition” compiled by Paul Treanor

“Neo-liberalism is a set of economic policies that have become widespread during the last 25 years or so. Although the word is rarely heard in the United States, you can clearly see the effects of neo-liberalism here as the rich grow richer and the poor grow poorer….Around the world, neo-liberalism has been imposed by powerful financial institutions like the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the Inter- American Development Bank….the capitalist crisis over the last 25 years, with its shrinking profit rates, inspired the corporate elite to revive economic liberalism. That’s what makes it ‘neo’ or new.”
Further, try these websites

(World Socialsit Wweb Site) (Socialist Equality Party, or the Fourth Intl)

And maybe this will tell you about the 99% “common” population, who are not common at all, but are seeking a decent life, which neither party will let them achieve.

Or, this article, consdiering that the fundamental social division is race, not class or gender:

“The political development of the American working class requires, first and foremost, the direct and open discussion of the class realities of American society. No country in the world is as deeply and intractably divided along economic lines as the United States, where the top 1 percent of the population owns 40 percent of the wealth and monopolizes 20 percent of the income. Any analysis of the political issues facing working people that does not take these class divisions as the fundamental reality is an exercise in deception and political stultification”

Here is their Statement of Principles:

No, I am not rep by either party—-poor people never have been in the uS and will not be as long as we remain a Capitalist faux-Democracy.

And I would certainly appreciate it if you would stop referring to my ex-clients as “people on the short bus”—its very unbecoming. But, that is probably not going to happen…

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By MarthaA, May 28, 2009 at 11:56 am Link to this comment
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Back to education:

LIBERAL:  noun.  generous, plentiful, abundant, tolerant, broadminded, not narrow in ones views, not strict, not rigorous, favoring progress and reform, general thought, sympathetic as opposed to literal and pedantic, [which is conservative.]

This blog is all of the above, so therefore, I stick with what I originally said, this is a liberal blog. 

Socialist sounds good, my preference would be Democratic Socialist if we ever get a Democratic Socialist Party.  There for a while I thought the Republicans were going to helps us, but apparently they rethought what they were doing and decided they were too much smash and grab, to ever share the wealth.

I said the new adjustable credit card rates aren’t suppose to go into effect for 9 months, which I heard on NPR, other than that, I have no idea what you are talking about. 

What I am saying about the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION not being represented legislatively, executively or judicially is not above your head, if you will THINK!  You are the one on MEDICAID, do you think you have been represented?  Do you think there are others like YOU?  Are you MIDDLE CLASS???  Could it be that you are one of those people on the left side of the MIDDLE CLASS SINGULARITY, the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION of the United States?  Do you THINK?  No, Really, Do You Think?

There ARE liberal Democrats, I am one.  Democrats originally were entirely liberal, but conservatism propagandized until now there is far right thought in the left’s Democratic Party and it needs to be routed out.

Gee, when you don’t understand anything, it seems like you are of the short bus crowd, how do I know, I don’t know you, I’m just trying to improve your awareness of what’s going on around you.

Poverty isn’t rhetorical, I never said it was. 

I perceived your actions on this blog as contrived ignorance to advance a rhetorical agenda, which IS contrived rhetorical ignorance.  I had absolutely no intention at all of being unkind to someone who worked with people on the short bus.

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By KDelphi, May 27, 2009 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

MarthA—I am a SOCIALIST type of Democrat, MarthA. (Well, I used to be reg as a Dem, but, the dogged determination of many of them that they are the way , the truth and the light, is turning me off quite a bit)And, the rest, I dont know what youre talking about.

You are either W-A-A-A-Y above my head, or….not…

Where does it say that adjustable APR’s are controlled by the “credit card bill”?? You really need to read up on things before you just talk about them—my rate went to adjustable because the credit card industry helped to write the bill and, the BILL DOESNT APPLY to adjustable rate…do you understand anything that I am saying?

So you also attack my “poverty” (which is attacking my disability) Youre a really nice person—-but, its rather typical of the (I dont really)“feel your pain” type of Democrat that you are. I am NOT on a “liberal blog”—-as far as I can tell, there are a variety of opinions here and, furthermore, Dems are NOT “liberal”.

I used to work with people “on the short bus”—that is pretty unkind.
How can poverty be “rhetorical”?? Gawd…

ITW—I like Sotomayor, so there! lol But, she may be a little unpredictable…

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By Inherit The Wind, May 27, 2009 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

No, NO, NO!.

Yoo ATTACKED Sotomayor, viciously.  But he’s such a fascist unprincipled scumbag that an attack by John Yoo is a another feather in Sotomayor’s cap.

BTW, her being reversed 60% by the USSC is AWESOME! 75% of cases the USSC hears they reverse….so if “normal” is batting .250, Sotomayor is batting…... (get ready) .400!

And any baseball fan will tell batting .400 gets you to the Hall of Fame.

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By MarthaA, May 27, 2009 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment


What groups are you talking about?  You said you were ignorant, not me.  I said you were exercising contrived rhetorical ignorance, which is far from ignorant.  I’m fine with others deciding your ignorance.
If you really are of the short bus crowd, I will explain to you what contrived rhetorical ignorance means.

I did not ask you what the 70% COMMON POPULATION is, I asked you to explain what is on the left and the right side of the MIDDLE CLASS SINGULARITY, and apparently you cannot, can you? You didn’t just disagree, you are not answering.

You are on a liberal blog, and you say you are not a “good little Democrat”, does this mean you’re a “bad little Democrat”; what are you?  A rose by any other name smells as sweet, a skunk by any other name smells just as bad, and a troll by any other name, is still a good/bad little troll.

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By KDelphi, May 27, 2009 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment

MarthA—you guys always have to attack in groups. I’ll let others here decide who is “ignorant”.

I am not a TROLL—I just disagree with you. So do alot of other people, in case you didnt notice.

I’m not going to plow through cyren’as posts again, but, she only joins in to attack me, so dont count on her support. If the goal is to make me a “good little Democrat”, yes, it is useless.

cyrena might be able to answer as to what the “70% COMMON POPULATION” is…have at it! good luck…

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By MarthaA, May 27, 2009 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment


Certainly KDelphi’s ignorance and poverty is rhetorical because if actual KDelphi would be unable to function on the internet; and her supposed inability to use her credit card to buy a cheap book from was also rhetorical because the adjustable rate increase, if the bank chooses to use it, doesn’t go into effect for 9 months,
troll rhetoric story.  I explained very carefully and patiently and decided that no one can be that ignorant and still be able to use the internet.  Thank you for letting me know KDelphi is a troll.  She will probably come back under a new name now, as she said KDelphi wasn’t her name anyway.  The REPUBLICAN RIGHT-WING and the DLC NEW CLASS plant these trolls to subjectively subvert the public.

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By cyrena, May 27, 2009 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

By MarthaA, May 26 at 10:50 pm #


Obama will do his best to do what is right in the long run.  I know, if it was me I would grab all these traitorous people up and hang them, but Obama can’t just do that.  There was a lot of subjective subversion of government to protect their dastardly deeds. Now, Obama is walking a tight rope because of all the subjective subversion that has been done by the CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN EXTREMISTS and the DLC LEFT-WING NEW CLASS, where he can’t just say poof and all is handled.  Give him time. Sometimes you have to go one direction to get another direction.


Ah Martha,

What a losing battle you’re waging with the likes of KDelphi, who just doesn’t “get it”, and never will.
If I’ve written it once, I’ve written it a thousand times, (just what you’ve said here) but she’s not gonna get it, because she doesn’t want to, and she’s not alone in her insistence that Obama can do nothing right. She doesn’t get that the Military Commissions Act of 2006 basically immunized the Torture Cartel, even though a full read of the thing has been suggested, (at least by me) at least 3 dozen times. It’s very clear that they’ve never bothered.

These people, (including some of the columnists) don’t know the law, or anything about it, and so they ignore the fact that -THEY- via their congressional leadership who voted for the MCA, and made it law, are responsible for what is now the reality of conflicting legal systems, and that it takes a whole bunch more energy and effort to FIX or REPAIR something that has been intentionally sabotaged. (like the Constitution and other systems based on the rule of law).

So, while they blindly drive directly into the eye of the storm, and folks like us, (INCLUDING President Obama) try to say NO, NO, NO!!! Don’t DO that…don’t drive over that cliff….they do anyway, and then get pissed off at us/him for the results that we KNEW would occur.

For this crowd, it’s always gonna be a damned if he/we does, and damned if he/we don’t.

Meantime, the irony in KDelphi calling YOU ‘incorrigible’ is akin to social-psychological torture. That’s why I had to cut back on this insanity. I now spend a considerable amount of time among that growing portion of the population suffering from various types of dementias and other psychological disorders, since both my parents are suffering from Alzheimer’s. My mother is in a facility for residents with these conditions, and we spend a considerable amount of time visiting. Then of course there is the exact same thing with my dad, though he is still here at home. So, I see it here, there, and most of all, on Truthdig.

It hasn’t always been that way, but it is now.

So, while there aren’t really any ‘good options’ for my aging parents or others suffering from the chaos of a nearly failed state, there actually ARE now several good alternatives to the constant negativity and minutia that passes through these blogs on TD. That they are stuck in a rut and haven’t been willing or able to budge from it is unfortunate for them, but would be even worse if the rest of us allowed ourselves to be sucked in by it. We’ve KNOW what happens on many occasions when rescue workers try to save their fellow members of humanity from peril; Sometimes they perish themselves. This isn’t much different.

As the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. once said,
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and concientious stupidity”.

I agree wholeheartedly, so why over expose ourselves to it, at least when we have a choice in the matter? Sometimes we don’t.

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By dss, May 27, 2009 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
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Based on what I have read today in the NY Times, Sotomayor is likely to vote with Stevens, Ginsberg, and Breyer. On cases on which she has ruled which have been brought to the Supreme Court, Stevens, Ginsberg, Souter, and Breyer have sided with Sotomayor’s opinion.

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History shows that you can not out-of-hand praise or condemn a judicial nomination based on the Prez who made it. Justice Souter was appointed by George H.W. Bush.  Reagan appointed Sandra Day O’Connor.  Clinton appointed Ginsberg and Breyer. Kennedy, appointed by Reagan, has become centrist.

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By MarthaA, May 27, 2009 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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Inherit The Wind,

WOW, Really?

Yoo endorsing Sotomayor does raise a really red flag, since Yoo is in the business of subjectifying and circumventing our laws, based on the end justifying the means, and we all know that didn’t work as the RIGHT-WING operations in Iraq & Afghanistan didn’t turn out well for the nation as a whole.

I am concerned that Sotomayor was 1st appointed to the bench by a CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST in 1992, George H. W. Bush.

I am also concerned that Sotomayor was appointed to the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals by a LEFT-WING CONSERVATIVE DLC EXTREMIST leader in 1998, William J. (Bill) Clinton.

With the exception of CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST Senator Jim Inhoff’s theatrical alarm about race and gender on the Truthdig blog, conservatism seems to be where Sotomayor stands and, based on Yoo, conservatives are satisfied that she will do well for them, which definitely means she is not a liberal, and may look down on common people who were unable to do as well as she, otherwise she would be for liberal democracy, instead of conservative autocracy.

It will be interesting listening to the rhetoric of the confirmation hearings, if there are any old type liberals left in Congress to ask her old-type liberal questions, now all there seems to be is neo-liberals, which aren’t liberals at all, but conservatism clothed in liberalism.

People really need to learn what conservatism is, because conservative is NOT being frugal for the benefit of the country as a whole, only for the FEW, the BIG CORPORATE CAPITALISTS, the ELITE and their toadies.

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By KDelphi, May 27, 2009 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

Maybe Yoo is hedging his bets, in case he end up in front of the SCOTUS…

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By Inherit The Wind, May 27, 2009 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

Yoo has just endorsed Sotomayor!

Of course, that means he’s attacked her and her judicial record.  Since, of course, John Yoo is a savage seeking to justify destroying the checks and balances and the Constitution, his attacks on her are a super-positive endorsement!

Yoo would do better to keep his mouth shut—but I’ll bet he doesn’t read TruthDig.

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By KDelphi, May 26, 2009 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA—Ok. Whatever, MarthA. Youre incorrigiable.

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By MarthaA, May 26, 2009 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment


Obama will do his best to do what is right in the long run.  I know, if it was me I would grab all these traitorous people up and hang them, but Obama can’t just do that.  There was a lot of subjective subversion of government to protect their dastardly deeds. Now, Obama is walking a tight rope because of all the subjective subversion that has been done by the CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN EXTREMISTS and the DLC LEFT-WING NEW CLASS, where he can’t just say poof and all is handled.  Give him time. Sometimes you have to go one direction to get another direction.

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By KDelphi, May 26, 2009 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

MarthA-“subjectively subvert the president”?? What are you gonna do—charge me?

If they broke the law, Holder should charge them…not just “frown upon them”. Pres. Obama is not pursuing it, because Dems would be indicted, too.

I dont pray.

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By MarthaA, May 26, 2009 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment


MarthaA & ThomasG are in the same family, but definitely are not the same person.  We have only one terminal at our location, therefore when ThomasG chooses to give his opinion on something, it will come from the same terminal.

Yoo is a criminal and criminals should be in jail or out on bond waiting trial; Yoo should be being frowned on for what he has done and not accepted as if what he did was OK.  Yoo, Bybee and Gonzales and all that blighted the United States through subjective subversion of the laws of the nation and international law, should be on trial for criminally circumventing the law for sadistic torture purposes, as subjectively subverting the law against the common good of our nation and the world should be a traitorous offense.

I do not have all the information Obama has, or know his plans, therefore second-guessing Obama is not for me. Obama is now the President and I will pray for him to be led properly, as you should, besides he has not been in office long enough to make any kind of proper decisions about his tenure. Shouldn’t you wait at least 2 years before you start trying to subjectively subvert the President?

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By KDelphi, May 26, 2009 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA and ThomasG are the same person, I think….look at the pattern of caps and how they “agree’ with each other.

Am I wrong?
Yoo has a right the newpaper has a right. I hate him and, I have a right.

MarthA—If these guys are criminals (and they are), if Obama doesnt have Holder doing an investigation, how is he not contributing?

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By dss, May 26, 2009 at 11:50 am Link to this comment
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Why is someone who gave illegal advice, who tried to justify something that has no justification, worthy of being put on a pedestal for his opinions?  Yoo has a right to be heard.  Freedom of speech.  Yoo can defend his opinion all he wants, as can the rest of those who could be disbarred for their “learned” opinions.  If a reporter would like to interview Yoo, fine.  If an editor would like to publish Yoo’s opinions in the op-ed column, fine.  But for a newspaper to financially support a person who justified an unjustifiable act?  Big mistake.  This has nothing to do with freedom of the press.  It has nothing to do with wanting to stifle Yoo, or stifle the media.  This is about law, breaking the law, and supporting an advocate of torture.

Where is the majority opinion?  CNN’s poll in April:  62% favor a criminal investigation.  34% are opposed to it.  It is quite easy to assume where the majority opinion lies.  Yoo’s views on torture are NOT the mainstream view. 

A comment from CNN’s site, posted after an article regarding this poll:  “Those who asked for twisted “legal” interpretations (Bush, Cheney, and other Cabinet members) as well as those who twisted & pounded the clear meanings of words in order to justify torture (judges and the prior Attorney General) should be brought up on charges just as those who “justified” killing millions of innocent people in the Second World War faced the Nuremberg trials. NO ONE is above the law…..not even those who hold the highest offices in our nation!

Another: “Anybody with an ounce of education and sanity knows that torture is a war crime and those who perpetrate torture need to be tried for this criminal act. Nothing justifies torture.  What is wrong with this country that this is even a valid discussion?”

And another: “No one is above the law.  Do you really want to prove Nixon correct when he said “When the president does it, it’s not illegal”?

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By MarthaA, May 26, 2009 at 9:33 am Link to this comment
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All media in the United States, every channel and nearly all radio stations, represent solely the views of the political RIGHT.  Recently MSNBC has begun representing in media the upper political left, while leaving out the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION, that are being left completely out of any representation in media, legislative, executive or judicial forms of government, which is why no one from the government showed in New Orleans for anything other than to herd the people with guns and separate children from their mothers.

DemocracyNOW represents the views of democracy the world over, not just in the United States.  Democracy IS the political left; there is NO democracy on the political right.  Apparently you are under the mistaken belief that the political right-wing represents democracy; NO WAY, only autocracy.

As stated in ThomasG’s post on this thread, Yoo “engaged in a carefully considered and thought through process of using the Office of Legal Council to REDEFINE the doctrine of understanding of the law beyond the original intent of the legislative, judicial, and executive branches of government, by using the power and prestige of the Office of Legal Council to subjectify the law and change the doctrine of understanding FROM its original intent to meet the needs of their SINISTER INTENTIONS”.

There is no way to circumvent Yoo’s atrocity of subjectifying the law to fit the EXTREMIST Bush administration’s plans, YOO is a criminal.  Our government should not be allowing Yoo, Bybee, Gonzales or any criminals that were a part of the subjectifying subversion of national and international laws in support of sadistic ulterior motives to be free to continue their subverting by other means.

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By SeymourGlass, May 26, 2009 at 6:34 am Link to this comment
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Coming back from Memorial Day noticed several comments related to my post.  None of which addressed the point I made.

Newspaper Op-Ed pages are the main forum for discussing the issues of our times.  As the poster who referred to me as “dumbass” mentioned, Ms. Goodman’s column - which reflects views held by a minority of Americans - appears in many newspapers.  Yet Ms. Goodman would support NOT allowing Mr. Yoo’s views, which are agreed with by more Americans than hers - remember, this is “Democracy Now”, not “Educated Folks Now” or “Those Who Only Agree With Me Now” - to appear in just one newspaper.  Ms. Goodman’s column discusses Mr. Yoo’s views as “out of the mainstream” but this just isn’t the case.

One of the first steps of a totalitarian state is stifling the views of those who disagree.  Frankly, Ms. Goodman’s words preminisce a chilling time when only certain views are allowed to be printed.

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By GM, May 22, 2009 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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Thanks. I do feel better. Slightly. I don’t know much about AI, apparently.
I did hear second hand that the kid who won is pretty good…

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By ThomasG, May 22, 2009 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

John Yoo, under the influence and direction of President George W. Bush and the leadership of the CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN government of the United States engaged in a carefully considered and thought through process of using the Office of Legal Council to REDEFINE the doctrine of understanding of the law beyond the original intent of the legislative, judicial, and executive branches of government, by using the power and prestige of the Office of Legal Council to subjectify the law and change the doctrine of understanding FROM its original intent to meet the needs of their SINISTER INTENTIONS; we can all pretend that this did not happen, and try to go on as if it did not, but this type of behavior will not change the fact that THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, and if nothing is done to redress this obscene and grievous miscarriage of both law and justice, it will have consequences that in time will be used again and again to the detriment and destruction of democracy and justice, under the rule of law.

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By dss, May 22, 2009 at 8:50 am Link to this comment
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If it makes you feel slightly better, those 100 million votes on Idol come from fewer people voting as many times as they can in the four-hour window after the show ends.  It was not 100 million voters. It was 100 million VOTES.  There is no limit to the number of times a caller can vote.  With multiple phone numbers available per Idol contestant, voters can use two phone lines and dial and dial and dial. Given how crazed some viewers are, I suppose if a person had more than two hands, they’d vote from more than two phone lines if they could.  Teenie boppers dial for hours.  In effect, it is probably more accurate that 5 million kids are voting 20 times each.

But your point is well-taken.  More Americans probably know who the final two Idol contestants are than know who ran in the 2008 presidential election.

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By GM, May 22, 2009 at 4:33 am Link to this comment
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@ SeymourGlass
“Yet her column is regularly posted in various major dailies…”

Hey, dumbass,

Read it and weep. It’s more than a few major dailies.

**Democracy Now! is a syndicated program of news, analysis, and opinion aired by more than 700 radio and television, satellite and cable TV networks in North America. Democracy Now! serves as the flagship program for the Pacifica Radio network….

Democracy Now! receives no corporate, government or Corporation for Public Broadcasting grants or funding, stating that the independence of their programming would be undermined or otherwise compromised….

Democracy Now! is the flagship national program of the Pacifica Radio network on which it airs. It also airs on some NPR and community radio stations. The television simulcast airs on public access cable television stations; on satellite via Free Speech TV (channel 9415 on DISH Network) and Link TV (channel 375 on DirecTV, channel 9410 on DISH Network), and free-to-air on C Band.[4] Democracy Now! is available over the Internet, as both streaming audio and video, and as a podcast and torrent.**

How’s that for fringe?
I am going to go out on a limb and suggest DN’s coverage handily outstrips that right-wing POS, the Inquirer by a long shot. All that without fascist corporate sponsorship tweaking the stories like so-called ‘mainstream media’.

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By GM, May 21, 2009 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment
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**To base what is correct or accurate on what “most” CNN viewer think is truly overestimating the education level of these Americans.

Remember, as many have said earlier, most Americans do not pay attention to current events.  Most Americans can barely be bothered to vote.  Many Americans can’t find major countries on a globe.**

You make a valid point. For example, yesterday I heard that 100,000,000 people voted in the latest American Idol. Need I say more?

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By KDelphi, May 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment

What Yoo has done effects the uS and its victims , most of all.

Has anyone heard this asshole speak? I said I wouldnt diagnose online, but, this guy sure SDEEMS lie a psychopath or sociopath…

Thanks, greenferret, for those of us feeling helpless…

SeymourGlass—“Recent poll by CNN suggests half of Americans think waterboarding was justified”
And that makes it a good thing?

That just goes to show how f*cked up half the uS population really is.

Its illegal.

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By dss, May 21, 2009 at 11:55 am Link to this comment
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To base what is correct or accurate on what “most” CNN viewer think is truly overestimating the education level of these Americans. 

Remember, as many have said earlier, most Americans do not pay attention to current events.  Most Americans can barely be bothered to vote.  Many Americans can’t find major countries on a globe.

Most Americans get their news from CNN.  Many get their “news” from FoxNews.  With such biased reporting over the years, is it any wonder that “most” Americans think waterboarding is ok?  Let’s let them get waterboarded and let’s find out if it will pry any knowledge from them that they don’t possess.

To trust that most Americans know about the finer points of what constitutes torture, what the legalities of torture are, and what the Geneva Conventions state, and even which of their civil liberties they’ve surrendered, is asking A LOT.  It has only been recent that more and more people are beginning to ask questions and pay attention to American policy.  For so long, most have kept their heads in the sand, expecting the government to take care of everything. 

Yoo’s says torture does not kill you or maim you.  So, stress positions, sleep deprivation, cold water, nakedness, barking dogs, waterboarding…these are just fine.  However, in fact, torture can mentally traumatize you for life, and cause internal physical harm.  But, if the inflicter doesn’t chop off fingers or break the skin, it’s not torture.  “Chinese torture treaments.”  They are real, frightening, and torture.

I will venture to say that when asked, most of those who think waterboarding is just fine have no idea what exactly happens or how it feels. 

Christopher Hitchens subjected himself to waterboarding when he was rethinking his views.  He didn’t last 3 seconds.  You can find the videos on YouTube.

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By MarthaA, May 21, 2009 at 10:56 am Link to this comment
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You are worse than a torturer if you are supporting Yoo. You undoubtedly would have supported and enabled Hitler.

Amy Goodman hasn’t denied anyone anything.  Amy Goodman reports objective facts; and objective facts, for the most part, are completely left out of the right-wing’s politically expedient entertainment media.

A CNN right-wing poll that agrees with torturing prisoners, taken in bigoted right-wing sections of the population doesn’t prove anything.  There undoubtedly are at least 20 or more polls to show differently. 

You would lose your wager, as DemocracyNOW represents the objective NEWS that is not allowed to be heard through the right-wings politically expedient entertainment media.

You have actually already lost your wager, because you are trying to discredit the messenger, instead of the message.

What you seem to not understand is that Yoo should be behind bars along with Bybee and Cheney waiting trial, instead of writing for any newspaper further scattering his politically expedient legal cover for the conservative REPUBLICAN RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST MOVEMENT.  What Yoo did was to traitorously subjectify the law in a politically expedient manner to give the president legal cover for whatever he wanted to do, making it, according to Yoo, legal to violate national and international law. His actions took our country back to the Dark Ages and the height of man’s inhumanity to man, which is destructive without constructive purpose. 

The fact that Amy Goodman’s column is in so many papers across the nation is evidence that she knows the will of democratic people is to be able to know objective fact, and not be constantly bombarded with only subjective politically expedient rhetoric.

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By rockinrobin, May 21, 2009 at 9:43 am Link to this comment
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This nation RUNS CRIMINALLY: well, with THAT understanding everything else will fall into place & make sense. It is NOT of the people by the people for the people at all. EXPLOITATION is the TARGETING and HARMING for PERSONAL GAIN & PERSONAL PROFIT folks;
do a search on monsanto & rumsfeld, halliburton & rumsfeld & halliburton & Johson & the rest of the “political” figures; bush & clinton & canola oil & monsanto again figures in; Rockefeller owns 93 per cent of pharma as so MOST politicians own a great deal of stock in it; FORGET the LIES that they are a “force for good’ STARTED by Rumsfeld to DECEIVE; FORGET that this nation is “to protect” it’s citizens; it is NOT. It is to TARGET & HARM THEM for PERSONAL PROFIT & GAIN for themselves. THEN see why this nation PURPOSELY POISONS its citizens for PROFIT; & why they have CRIMINALIZED Corps; whom they work with (fascism) and thru the ABUSE of law which continually changes & judges who go along with it can spend $100,000,000 a month live large & in charge; after all, we have gotten away with it for years! Time for change YET Americans? and of course with the superlative trillions more from WAR explains the “imperialism”;

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By SeymourGlass, May 21, 2009 at 9:05 am Link to this comment
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Recent poll by CNN suggests half of Americans think waterboarding was justified.

Methinks - and I’d wager a year’s subscription to National Review - Ms. Goodman is farther-out-of-the-mainstream than Mr. Yoo…

Yet her column is regularly posted in various major dailies…

And she would deny Mr. Yoo this same privilege…

Does “Democracy Now” carry a subtitle of “Left Wing Dictatorship Later”?

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By MarthaA, May 21, 2009 at 8:51 am Link to this comment
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Right-wing media and the political right do their best to get the common population to believe that their acts are liberal, which couldn’t be more further from the truth.

The Left is Liberal.  Liberal is democracy, the more LIBERAL, the more DEMOCRACY, while Conservative is autocracy, the more CONSERVATIVE, the more AUTOCRACY.  The political party duopoly is a product of right-wing autocracy, which currently permeates the media and all forms of government.  In order to change our government toward democracy, we have to vote out ALL the right-wing DLC NEW CLASS Republicrat interlopers in the Democratic Party in the PRIMARIES NEXT YEAR, and there are a bunch of them.  If we keep voting them out, things will change.

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By MarthaA, May 21, 2009 at 6:45 am Link to this comment
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It is really easy to feel like the people have wasted too much time with their heads stuck in fascist SYSTEMIC RIGHT-WING entertainment programming.  With the exception of the NEWS, I have totally given up watching television, or any Right-Wing preachers propagandizing for the NEW WORLD ORDER, as if it is what Jesus would do.  I suspect the only reason preachers are allowed to be on television is because they follow the RIGHT-WINGS orders that go against what Jesus said. 

It took a while for the people to get pulled into this mess and it is taking some time for them to wake out of their conditioning, but one by one, they are waking up.  10 years ago hardly anyone was aware of the CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST RIGHT-WING MOVEMENT to take over the country and the world, and make a two-class society of the haves and the have-nots, but more and more are becoming aware.  When the people of the 70% COMMON POPULATION become fully aware, the situation will be remedied, because we are the MAJORITY POPULATION, but awareness takes time, people do not want to believe what is happening, but it is.

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By Ed Harges, May 21, 2009 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

Good lord. And the right continues to claim “liberal media bias”. In order to balance him, they’d have to hire someone to the left of Norman Finkelstein as a columnist.

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By Ed Harges, May 21, 2009 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

Good lord. And the right continues to claim “liberal media bias”.

To balance John Yoo, they’d have to hire Norman Finkelstein as a columnist.

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By ben famod, May 21, 2009 at 4:18 am Link to this comment
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Madoff already has a blog that offers investment advice!!! Read in between the lines to discover some fascinating returns!

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By H, May 21, 2009 at 3:02 am Link to this comment
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Mr. Yoo joins Vice Admiral Donald C. Arthur as one who works in Philly and may support Bush on Guantanamo-torture.  Vice Admiral Arthur is MD JD Ph.D., and no doubt has a legal opinion to share with us, as he was Navy Surgeon General 2003-2007.  If the lawyers who support torture face disbarment, what about the doctors?  The Admiral works at MAIN Line Health in Bryn Mawr.  He commutes weekly from Virginia…

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By TheSeth1000, May 20, 2009 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment
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while i’m against water boarding and other forms of torture i might be willing to make an exception in Yoo’s case. the only problem is that there’s very little to learn from him. we already know he’s a war criminal. we already know he’s evil. we know who he worked for and that they’re evil too.

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By dss, May 20, 2009 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment
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The Inquirer is owned by Philadelphia Newspapers. 
The op-ed editor Harold Jackson has given a plethera of reasons for hiring Yoo and now keeping him on staff.  Jackson said that by having Yoo exclusively, they can create “intelligent discourse” on torture, etc. Is there an intelligent defense for torture given it has been proven not to work? 

The paper has gotten thousands of letters against the continued publishing of Yoo’s opinion pieces.
The paper already had two conservative voices.  Yoo was the third.  They think controversy is helpful to them.  Progressives thing the Inky is going in the wrong direction, and many are cancelling subscriptions. 

The paper is in financial trouble.  They hired Yoo before the torture memos were made public.  And now the Inky is defending their contract with Yoo with reasons that make no good sense to detractors.  Jackson puts the onus on the paper’s editor Tierney, and Jackson has claimed that Jackson thought giving Yoo a column would be controversial.  He thinks that claiming the paper does not advocate for torture clears them of any question of their morality.  They think that hearing “both sides” of this issue is good for healthy discourse.  They fail to see objectively that the defense of torture is ludicrous.  This would be like giving Ahmadinejad a column to make his case for the likelihood the holocaust didn’t happen the way the rest of the world claims. 

There was also a stir when the Inquirer hired Rick Santorum for their op-ed pages after Santorum lost his Senate seat to Bob Casey.  Dems were unhappy about Santorum’s presence in the paper.  But the Santorum hire was not nearly as egregious as the Yoo hire.

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By Druthers, May 20, 2009 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

Not being from Philiadelphia there is just one question I’d ask.  Who owns the Philiadelphia Inquirer? 
As with all our media now, spewing forth their hate messages and dime store philosophies the money trail is the only one left that leads to the truth.

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By cyrena, May 20, 2009 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment

“Judge Baltasar Garzon of the Spanish National Court is moving ahead with an investigation of “The Bush Six,” which includes Yoo and Bybee, as well as former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; William J. Haynes II, then general counsel to the Department of Defense; Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense for policy; and David Addington, the chief of staff under former Vice President Dick Cheney. These six could possibly face criminal charges in Spain for enabling torture at Guantanamo and elsewhere.”

Well, they’re missing the chief culprits who ORDERED the torture…Donald Rumsfeld and Richard B. Cheney. Still, this is a good start, since this is what needs to happen anyway. All of these people need to be tried at the ICJ or the ICC or whatever the International Legal Community decides. That’s the only way it’s gonna work.

And of course that’s exactly what all of these guys have tried to prevent from happening, specifically Addington, Yoo, and Bybee, in terms of the drafting of legal language that would provide RETROACTIVE ass cover for all of them. That happened (on the domestic level) in the passage of the Military Commissions Act of 2006. It gave these guys legal cover, by nature of the language of the Act and the fact that Congress passed it.

Now I’m not so sure why anybody is surprised that Yoo has been hired as a columnist at the Philadelphia Inquirer, seeing as how UC Berkeley Boalt Hall School of Law, hired him as a law professor some years ago, (at least 3) and we thought THAT was criminal. (It was). Now we’ve managed to run him out of there, but these guys do NOT disappear easily!!! They are so well buried in the apparatus that most American’s don’t even know who these six people are in the Bush Six, or what their connection is to anything.

This is a deja vu of the Chilean environment/government after they finally got rid of Pinochet. Even then, there were still elements of the former military regime/apparatus that had done all of the torture and similar crimes like disappearances and all of the imprisonments and exiles. AND, they had been granted immunity…same as here with these guys.

So, I’m not sure why anybody is surprised. Dick Cheney hasn’t gone anywhere, and continues to demand and receive an audience anytime he chooses, from any of the standard networks set up as Propaganda Ministries for the Cheney Admin.

Anybody acting surprised or outraged about this NOW, (instead of 7 or even 4 years ago) is likely to just piss me off.

“The greatest sin of our time is not the few who have destroyed but the vast majority who sat idly by.”

~Rev Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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By MarthaA, May 20, 2009 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment
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No one should buy a Philadelphia Enquirer as long as Yoo is allowed to write in that paper.  What Yoo did was the epitome of terrible and no right-wing newspaper should be able to make light of what he did.

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By John Buoy, May 20, 2009 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment
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I’ve read the Inquirer all my adult life - four decades +. The ‘Inky’ now also features Rick “Man-on-Dog” Santorum as a columnist. Yoo is another nail in the coffin for that rag.

It used to be a GREAT newspaper with many superb investigative reporters like Steve Lopez and Bartlett & Steele. Sadly it’s become the product of its sleazy owner(s).

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By AT, May 20, 2009 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment
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We’ll keep you around just in case. It’s payback time, pay up even though i havent done time yet. Sincerely yours signed karl

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By NYCartist, May 20, 2009 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

dss:I appreciate your comment.  Thanks.

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By dss, May 20, 2009 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment
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It is possible my example regarding Philadelphia torture was not a good one for historical reasons.  I was living at Penn and living in West Philly at the time MOVE was there, from ‘78-82.  I remember that travesty well.
Policy brutality is indeed alive and well in many cities, but when that brutality is caught on tape, there are repercussions for the police.  It seems that the White House is not held to the same standard that our police forces are.

The Inquirer ought to consider their readership to realize why they have received so many letters on this Yoo issue. As a Pennsylvanian, I have paid close attention to the elections.  In the counties immediately in the vicinity, Philadelphia County voted for Obama by 85% in the presidential election. MontCo: 60%. Chester, Berks, Bucks: 54%. Burlington, NJ: 59%. Mercer and Camden, NJ: 68%. A partial impetus for this vote was to state loud and clear that the actions of the Bush Administration, including the advocacy of torture, are anathema to what we, as Americans, stand for as a culture and a nation.

Of course Yoo has the right to defend himself in the press. However, let him post an Op-Ed like the rest of us, for free.  Or reprint an article from The AP.  Legal scholars and law professors with fine reputations are a dime a dozen.  That the Inquirer would use their few funds from their struggling newspaper to, in effect, pay for Yoo’s defense of himself in the press is the same thing as advocating for him. They can say all they want that their paper doesn’t advocate torture.  But to support someone who does is basically shilling for Yoo.

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By NYCartist, May 20, 2009 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment

dss:On your comment “If the Phila. Chief of Police starting torturing suspects to decrease gun violence, he’d lose his job..”.  You hit on something BIG.  Maybe not, based on history.  There is a history of police brutality in Chicago (went on for years, torture to get confessions, was even covered on DemNow when the Gov. pardoned men on death row in the last decade or so, and the story isn’t over yet), in New York ( see  for the October 22 Coalition Against Police Brutality (they have appeared on Dem.Now, as well as WBAI’s show “Where We Live”),...and Los Angeles,too. 

The Mayor of Philadelphia and the police chief bombed a row of houses to get the MOVE organization, a rather horrific chapter in Philadelphia history,
as is the whole Mumia Abu-Jamal mis-justice/nonjustice. See

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By Mary Ann McNeely, May 20, 2009 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment
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The torture debate is central to The Piracy State which is what the United States has become.  The eight years of George W. Bush turned control over to brigands and drunken street fighters who now run so much of our daily lives.  These brigands see torture as part of their New America of unlimited, unchecked theft, looting and brutality. They cannot afford to be politically and legally defeated on this matter. It is now abundantly clear that Obama has neither the courage nor the integrity to push back.

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By oldlib, May 20, 2009 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment

This hiring proves the liberal bias of the press.

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By dss, May 20, 2009 at 11:35 am Link to this comment
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If the Philadephia Chief of Police started torturing suspects to try to decrease Philadelphia gun violence, I wonder how long he’d keep his job? I’d like to see more debate in their Opinion Pages on the positives of kidnapping, theft, child molestation, wife beating, slavery, genocide, and I.V. drug use. How about it? That would surely sell more newspapers, and no one could blame them for being partial to one side of the issue, let alone the rule of law. After all, as they have stated, their obligation to society is to not be one-sided. I think someone at their paper thinks they are the National Enquirer, not the Philadelphia Inquirer. But who can blame them? It’s getting more and more difficult to tell the difference.

Their editors are digging themselves in deeper and deeper.  Not one excuse they have employed for keeping Yoo on staff is a good one. Jackson wrote of Yoo, he’s “pleasant.”  Yes, it is oh so important that Yoo is a pleasant guy.  As we know, the Charles Mansons of the world seemed like such nice and pleasant neighbors.  Who knew they were mass murderers?

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By rockinrobin, May 20, 2009 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
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Probably the paper is owned by Murdoch or others who in the “media” which is manipulated with misinformation much like “national” tv; CLUE: they aren’t going to make “THEM” (us the PEOPLE) pay Corporation taxes ON TOP of what they already have to pay or they? GOSH, must be true like Paterson, Gov of NY said in interview with Bill Moyers on Bill Moyers Journal: the rich aren’t paying taxes & won’t be taxed cuz what would happen if we DID (tax them) and “it didn’t work”; type in british detainee, go to Aug 25th & find out WHY the USA threatened Britain if they RELEASED the VIDEO TAPE showing what was done. Every other nation in the world KNOWS what this nation is up to: do AMERICANS?

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By Cecil, May 20, 2009 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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Doug Cassel to Yoo: “If the president deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?”

Yoo: “No treaty.”

Cassel: “Also no law by Congress—that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo…”

Yoo: “I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.”

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By Lawlessone, May 20, 2009 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
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No wonder newspapers are going out of business and losing the trust of its former readers.  If publications keep hiring liars, incompetents, oath violators, and now torture cheerleaders, what can they expect?

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By dihey, May 20, 2009 at 3:43 am Link to this comment

Irrelevant because it is not relevant.

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By Dave Schwab, May 20, 2009 at 3:16 am Link to this comment

Join in calling on Eric Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate whether Bush administration officials violated laws prohibiting torture:

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By Inherit The Wind, May 20, 2009 at 2:50 am Link to this comment

If he’s arrested and charged with a federal felony, or many, will they suspend or fire him?  How about if he’s convicted and locked up?

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By Purple Girl, May 20, 2009 at 2:45 am Link to this comment

How many more media outlets want to be seated in the Defense Well as the propagandaists for these War criminals and Traitors?
The various media not only ignored information and facts- they helped obscure them and misdirect the American people.
If there were individuals in media who were coerced into complicity through threats made by the Bushies they should come forward and testify. Otherwise they ae just as guilty of facilitating these high crimes as those of the Bush Administration.

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