Louise—In that case, you need to get some professional help for your family member. If you have insurance…I hope you do because you wont get it out of the Democrats, if your family member is already diagnosed with a problem. (Often, when people say Pres. Obama, they are referring to the Head of the Democratic Party—-and, hence the entire Democrastic Party)

You had what type of “therapist” tell you to just “pretend that ” the relatives’ reality was true? This is useless , I suppose, because you seem to be set on your idea of what “mental illness” is…ok. I’m sure you know what the resources are.

“Perhaps you think everything/everyone would be fine, if Obama wasn’t president.”

Why do you say things like that? Where the hell did I say that? The GOP are worse—-on some things—so??? Since this is largely about Af-Pak, (supposed to be)in what way is Pres. Obama better than the GOP on this one? They are falling all over themselves complimenting him on this one.That does not make the “new Dems” “good”. If you dont wish to expect better, you will probably be pleased. Good for you. Join the herd. There is NOT a “herd mentality” that is upset with Obama…the reverse is true, so stop acting like President Obama a victim.

As I’ve said before, I use Credo for long distance , get free specch calls, and call and email and write all the time. If you think they are listening then, why cant we get what the majority of USAns want? Because the health insurance industry and the banking industry, the war machines industry are all competing with my ‘Phone calls”...as I’ve asked, who do you think will win? That doesnt stop me, but, Rep Turner wont accept my calls anymore. His secretarty hangs up. I cant “vote him out” as I NEVER wouldve voted FOR him(he lost as mayor here, so the GOP just gave him the seat) THAT is what I’m sick of. The district is largely urban, but, snakes around to indclude a rich uber-suburb to keep him in power. Then, the Dems will re-district to suit themselves, and, on and on , ad nauseum

This is NOT , for me (unlike Obama supporters, it seems) PERSONAL for me, ie Obama!! I disagree and become angry with: both Clintons, both Bushes, Cheney, the Kennedys, I am sick to death of elitist policies of both parties. If Clinton had won, samo/samo. I am sick of having two almost identical candidates to vote for. No other so-called free country has a duopoly. We shouldnt have one either.

We have a right to an opposition party, and, an obligation to oppose policies thast we see as morally wrong.

KDelphi,

I have no idea what wikipedia says on the subject. I only know what personal experience has taught me, and behaviours and actions we have had to adopt based on a loved ones illness and the advice and guidance from his therapists.

Perhaps you think everything/everyone would be fine, if Obama wasn’t president. And the painful experiences over the past eight years of repub policy are all in my head. Perhaps My friends and family who have seen their 401k evaporate will feel better when I tell them according to comments on truthdig the only problem we have is Obama. I doubt it will help any, but since blaming Obama seems to be the way to go, perhaps they’ll find a measure of comfort in joining the herd. So perhaps what appears to me, to be “nuts, crazy, bonkers” is actually herd mentality.

Your attack on the act of citizen Lobby indicates you feel such action is a waste of time, so perhaps you shouldn’t bother.

ardee,

“Louise, If we are to solve the dilemma of creeping fascism that seems to be overwhelming our governance we must come together. Only as a united people can we hope to throw the bastards out.”

To a degree, I agree. Except simply throwing the bastards out wont change anything. We’ll just get a new batch of bastards! Sometimes (most times) when I read the endless attacks on Obama I get frustrated, because that behaviour does indeed keep us from coming together and actually getting anything positive done, like replacing those in Congress who serve a different master. (And that would be in BOTH parties!) Which is why I cant understand why so many folks cant understand the power they have, if they would just LOBBY!

There is no human being out there who can please all the people all the time, or even know and understand all the people all the time. Perhaps that’s why we should be ashamed of ourselves for not putting the same effort that we keep going here, into keeping a running dialogue going with our respective Senators and Representative.

“How can we come together when you seem to think us all idiots?”

I guess the mistake I made was “words”. Take my comments and substitute “folks” for “you” and perhaps it wont be so annoying. Regardless I seem to have struck a nerve. I don’t think you are all idiots. But I do defend my right to point out blaming Obama for everything, and thinking Obama (or ANY president) would come to town, raise his magic wand and fix everything in the twinkling of an eye was a little idiotic.

I recently felt empathy for a friend who was notified he owed some income tax from a few years back. Don’t know the details, whether a mistake, oversight or simply tax evasion, but I could feel his pain until he casually said, “well I guess Obama has to find some way to pay for his stimulus.” I had to stifle a laugh, because that is so typical of herd mentality. He got caught, it’s Obamas fault. So is he an idiot? No, but the notion that his problem exists because of Obama is a little idiotic. Or the fact that the statement slipped out without any thought may indicate he’s simply adopted a “statement” that he hears over and over again.

Way back before the campaigning began, before any of us knew who the candidates would be, he asked me who I would like to see run for president. I told him I didn’t know. He responded with, “well I favor McCain.” I asked him why, and he changed the subject, leaving me thinking (sorry) he didn’t know why. But that was the name being dropped all over the place. Perhaps if McCain was the president, he would have been just as quick to blame McCain for his tax problem. Guess we’ll never know. But that lack of thought is kinda scary, because that lack of thought will lead to the repubs regaining control. Don’t know about you, but I find that possibility unacceptable.

So there ya go, based on past performance, I don’t like, or trust, repub leadership or repub policy! More fodder to attack me with ...

You’re welcome.

Why Obama Refuses To Release Torture Pictures

By Yvonne Ridley

“May 20, 2009 “Information Clearing House”—- There is a smug group of men and women in the US intelligence services who knew President Barack Obama was never going to release the photos and videos of detainees being tortured.

They knew those images are still too shocking to reveal to the o utside world and the sad truth is they will still be too shocking 50 years down the line.

I knew it as well, but the realisation only hit me just a few weeks ago during an event to raise public awareness about the legacy of George W Bush’s War on Terror.

Until then I naively believed that the Obama Administration would fulfil its promise of being the most open administration in America’s history.

Every time I doubted the brave pledges from Obama the response to “Can you really?’’ was a resounding: “Yes, we can.”

As I say, the nagging doubts emerged during an event in Bradford in the North of England during a rousing speech by Anas al Tikriti from the Cordoba Foundation about the injustices from the War on Terror we still face today.

To illustrate his talk old, graphic images from Abu Ghraib prison were shown in giant screens around the room ... I was amazed that I had actually forgotten just how bad they were. We all remember the iconic image of the hooded man Satar Jabar standing on a tin box holding two wires in his hands and another attached to his penis, in the belief he’s about to be electrocuted.

But the other pictures, when they were shown, drew gasps and the sound of people shuffling uncomfortably on their chairs. It seems time had dulled our memories and some of us had forgotten the naked men, piled high in human pyramids, snarling dogs breathing over terrified prisoners while leering, sneering US military looked on.

I leant over and confided to the person on my left: “I can’t believe I’d forgotten just how bad Abu Ghraib actually was.”

He whispered back: “This is nothing. Remember these pictures came long after the opening of Guantanamo and more than three years after people had already been tortured and murdered in Bagram. If you think these are bad, wait until the others are released.”

And in that moment I realised, it is just not going to happen.

You see the person who I whispered to was Moazzam Begg, probably the best known ex-resident of Guantanamo Bay, and a man who witnessed the brutalities and atrocities, including murder and torture, carried out routinely by US interrogators and soldiers in Bagram, Afghanistan.

We had both turned up at the event in Bradford to talk about the plight of Dr Aafiya Siddiqui, a mother-of-three who was kidnapped, tortured, held in Bagram for several years before being shot by American soldiers and put on a rendition flight to New York.

At the moment, the US is in denial Dr Siddiqui was ever held in Bagram - despite the fact I have irrefutable evidence to the contrary including positive identification by former detainees.

And it occurred to me that hidden away, in this vile archive of pictures and videos revealing the full extent of US torture there will certainly be images of Dr Aafiya Siddiqui.

Since the US is still in denial it ever held Dr Siddiqui, there is no way it can release the full archive of pictures and videos because they are too incriminating and will open the floodgates for all sorts of legal actions, collapse of trials and no doubt compensation.

Of course the other reason President Obama does not want to release those pictures is that it will inflame both friends and foe, and in the long term probably endanger the lives of any US citizens traveling in to the Muslim world not to mention serving military.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22663.htm

Louise, May 20 at 12:55 pm #

ardee,

I’m sorry if you took my comment as a personal attack on you. Why did you?
........

Perhaps these pastes from your previous effort will illuminate why I took exception to the tone and tenor of your post.

I know it’s tough to understand

I know that’s a ‘way beyond understanding’ concept

So there’s another really hard to comprehend issue at play here. Even though I know the last thing in the world many want to do is pay attention ... puleeze, pay attention. I’ll try to keep this simple.

OK, I realise that isn’t going to help. Chances are you still don’t understand, so let’s try this ...

....

Louise, If we are to solve the dilemma of creeping fascism that seems to be overwhelming our governance we must come together. Only as a united people can we hope to throw the bastards out.

How can we come together when you seem to think us all idiots?

Louise—No, your explanation is not clear at all…and schizophrenia is NOT the number one mental illnes, as you should well know. You certainly presume alot. But, no, I wont diagnose on a word processor, but, you dont seem “schizoid ” to me, if youre asking…but I suggest you seek your own professional help as you see fit.

If 100,000 of us have to make phone calls, while one person has $100,000 to give…lemme see, who do you think will win out….

I am having trouble understanding how “mental illness” applies to your “argument” at all…but, you know what “they” say, insanity is doing the same things over and over again, like voting for Democrats or Republicans.

Im what capacity did you work with the ‘hopelessly mentally ill”? Who said that you were such? WTF are you talking about?

Schizoid personality disorder has little to do with schizophrenia, and, there are many forms of the later. (there is also schizoaffective disorder, where it combines with affective disorder or bi-polar, which some think is much more common; or schizophreniform disorder or schizo-typical personaliity disorder) Depression happens to be the number one “mental illness” in the uS ( no big surprise, since everything is based on money, but, they have expensive pills for it…here) People labelled schizophrenic are almost never either suicidal nor homocidal, but there are exceptions.

If you have a family member with such a problem, I suggest you learn more about it than your wikipedia definition describes. Try, as I’ve suggested, Sylvano Arieti. Others to try are Psychiatric Survivors, Jay Haley (The Power Tactics of Jesus Christ) and Milton Erickson.

“Paranoia” is also not exclusively a synmptom of schizophrenia (it s a primary one in paranoid schizophrenia), but, people that are ‘in their own reality” wouldnt even know wtf the president was, let alone blame them for everything,,,,(they as still not “hopeless”—what happened to ‘hope and change”?)according to you , apparenlty, there is nothing that the president can be blamed for…now THAT’S “crazy” ( in the popular sense, not the diagnostic or legal sense..)

Quickly seek the help of an alternative party!

KDelphi,

If one can dial a phone, write/type and/or think, one can Lobby. It just takes a little effort. Money is powerful, but we are legion! (A legion all to often hiding behind something or other.)

So, no matter how much money comes into the coffers of an official running for re-election, if he/she has a few hundred thousand angry constituents in touch - loud and clear - that official has to know he/she better change their ways! On the other hand, if all that official sees is the money, and never hears from anyone back home, they will assume the folks back home are happy, or don’t really care what they do. And NOT CARING implies not understanding - or vice-versa.

Schizophrenia is the most common “mental illness” affecting our society. Unfortunately a lot of us have had the tragedy of seeing a loved one descend into that illness. Experts are pretty much unanimous in the opinion that nobody actually knows (yet) what causes it. And there are many aspects to the illness, so symptoms can vary dramatically from one victim to the next. They can be dangerous, or simply funny. They can be suicidal or homicidal. Or simply living in their own reality. If that is the single most obvious symptom, living with them in their reality becomes the easiest way to deal with them. And, choosing to do so often leads to a form of the illness developing in those who choose to do so. Extreme paranoia is often seen, as in it’s all “their” fault. In this context, they being Obama or Bush depending on the nature of the person obsessing. Only as I see it, these pains we feel today are the direct result of those bad actions of the previous eight years. If that makes me schizoid, so be it. Personally I think the schizoid are those who try to condense and transpose responsibility for the previous eight years of bad government into the past five months. Re-writing reality large. Is that nuts?

When I see/hear absurdity, even in the face of reality, even when absolutely opposite of known fact, I tend to think “nuts” as in “crazy” as in “insane,” and they are simply words. Words we all tend to interpret in our own way, but clearly understand what is implied. However you are correct, insane is a “legal” term, not clinical. Sorry, my bad. But my implication was clear. I think anyone who repeats ad-nauseum whatever they are told, without fact-checking the “reality” is slightly nuts, possibly insane. Come to think of it, maybe that’s what Cheney’s “we were right” campaign is all about. Establish a case for insanity if he’s actually ever brought up on charges.

I’m truly sorry so many people are disappointed that President Obama has not solved ALL our problems in a few weeks. But I’m actually sorrier that anyone honestly thought ALL our problems would be solved for us in a few weeks. Isn’t that notion a little bit nuts? In fact - is it not a little insane to expect ANYONE to solve ALL our problems? 

What about OUR responsibility?

Louise..thats strange. you “explain” “how” lobbying works , largely , through MONEY, then tell US to lobby…do you have alot of money or something, because I dont? I suppose that you think everyone here is ignorant but you. I think that you are wrong….

Please do not say things like this: (it makes you look “hard to comprehend”)

“For those of us who have had occasion to deal with the hopelessly insane, one thing shines out. How easily they can be told what to do so long as we allow their perception of order and regulation to be predictable, precise and endlessly repetitious.”

I dont know what “hopelessly insane” people you worked with ( I dont know who these people are,or if it was in the 1940’s when scientists still thought that or…??) I worked with the “
severely mentally ill”—so labeled, but, if they remained hopeless, you must not have done a very good job. I never had a single client who could not have a more fulfilled life with hard work, patience and getting them out so their life would NOT be repetitious. But, then , you just “allowed their perception of order…”. If you ‘had occasion to work with thme”, it was your job to try to guide their perceptions” of themselves and others. But, if you thought that they were hopeless, that would be very difficult to do.HOnestly, I dont know what you are talking about.

Many of those labelled as mentally ill made more sense than Democrats do.

In “Olde Timey” language, “there is often a method to the madness”. You have to want to understand, I guess. Try Silvano Arieti’s, “Interpretation of Schizophrenia”.

Everyone will see something of themselves there…

ardee,

I’m sorry if you took my comment as a personal attack on you. Why did you?

As you correctly noted;
“... the Chief Executive, [he] is the leader of his party, the majority one at present, and the head of this nation. (Head of State) Thus, as Truman so aptly noted, the buck stops at his desk. It is not as if he is making such wonderful decisions only to find them all blocked by Congress after all.”

Actually Obama can make wonderful decisions, or not. And they CAN and frequently WILL be blocked by Congress! Note most recently - Congress refusing to allow funding to close Gitmo! Regardless, if he wants to see any of his decisions become law, he has no choice but to work with the lawmakers. And they are not all on the same page. And, they most assuredly do pay a great deal of attention to those who daily LOBBY them. What in fact does Obama, or any President have to do if he would have the Congress listen to him/her? LOBBY, that’s what!

However, as I noted;

“... the previous administration managed to convince the easily convinced and the basically uneducated that it’s actually the President who does the law making, but Bush was WRONG! Just because the Congress under Bush tried hard to change the rules, the Constitution STILL has it that way!”

I make no apology for stating some people are easily convinced. Why do people join Churches or a political party? Perhaps because they want the security of having decisions made for them. Perhaps because agreeing to be convinced in order to allow decisions be made for them, is easier than the headache of trying to take action by themselves. As to the uneducated part. We are indeed uneducated. For all the money we spend on education, we still have a huge part of society that’s never studied the Constitution and hasn’t got a clue how our government is constructed. That ignorance allows for those who don’t know any better to accept whatever they are told. 

So, the buck may indeed stop at Obama’s desk, but according to the CONSTITUTION, he still can’t change law, write law, or order and control the actions of Congress. He can get all the credit for the failures of Congress, (and usually does) but will seldom be mentioned if Congress actually gets things right! Think back to when the previous administration was in charge. Did Bush actually write the bills he signed into law? Those that we (or at least me) saw as bad were written by the repub controlled Congress. The confusion comes because the president at that time identified his office as the “First” branch of the Federal Government, and amazingly a lot of people agreed! Basically the only tool of control over Congress the Constitution gives the President, is the power of the VETO. And Congress can over-ride that veto! If the President takes issue with that, he/she can take the issue to the Judicial. There is no “First” branch, there are only the three: the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial. Through separation of powers comes the system of “checks and balances.” Each branch has some authority to act on its own, some authority to regulate the other two branches, and some of its own authority, in turn, regulated by the other branches. And I repeat, the most powerful Lobby in America is we the people, so if we aren’t happy with what’s going on, maybe we better get to it!

LOBBY CONGRESS!

I’ve just been listening to Philippe Sands (author of the Torture Team) talking about the photos. Apparently there are literally thousands of them and they take place not only in Iraq but in Afghanistan, Guantanamo and many, many other places. One of them apparently shows the head of a Muslim being scalped with the sign of the cross.

As Sands says, Obama cannot keep this under cover forever. These pictures will leak eventually, and the more Obama tries to cover up, the more implicated this administration will become with the last one. In addition, one of the top men in the military who allowed the torture and photographs (following orders) is one of the men telling Obama that releasing the pictures would ‘inflame’ anti-American sentiment. The only way to stop anti-Americanism around the world is to bring back the values of the founding fathers of this country.

Kutler is right; Obama MUST not continue to appease the hard-core torture supporters. He must not be taken in by ‘security of the nation’ propaganda, used by Stalin, Hitler and many other leaders throughout history (why do ordinary citizens keep falling for that one???). By doing so, he plays into their hands and it will be his downfall and their coup d’etat.

Louise, May 19 at 8:54 pm #

I know this is tough to understand, but folks do not respond well to being talked down to, or being thought stupid either.

You seem to believe that those who participate here are not aware of the fundamental points you sermonize down to us all, I would suggest that we are ,all of us, aware of such basic tenets.

As to the role of the Chief Executive, he is the leader of his party, the majority one at present, and the head of this nation. Thus , as Truman so aptly noted, the buck stops at his desk. It is not as if he is making such wonderful decisions only to find them all blocked by Congress after all.

Certainly our elected representatives deserve our comments and criticisms, but so does our President.

I know it’s tough to understand, but last time I looked Legislation is written and passed by Congress. I know that’s a ‘way beyond understanding’ concept, since the previous administration managed to convince the easily convinced and the basically uneducated that it’s actually the President who does the law making, but Bush was WRONG! Just because the Congress under Bush tried hard to change the rules, the Constitution STILL has it that way!

So there’s another really hard to comprehend issue at play here. Even though I know the last thing in the world many want to do is pay attention ... puleeze, pay attention. I’ll try to keep this simple.

Congress responds to pressure.
Pressure comes in the form of lobbying.
Lobbyists generally are salaried. (And guarantee campaign funding - think Corporate Capitalism)
The LARGEST lobby is the people of the United States.
Congress rarely hears from THAT Lobby, with one notable exception.
The hard right, who always follow orders, even when not salaried.
They do not Lobby for money.
They do not Lobby for Constitutional Law.
They do not Lobby for fairness.
They Lobby for only one purpose ... to bring more pressure. They do not understand why. They do not care about the outcome, they are only committed to doing as they’re told. The end result of that pressure is they undercut and diminish every effort made that might look like it meets the needs of that other group ... the normal people!

Which of course is why no matter what they do, if one is paying attention, they look quite mad, as in hopelessly insane.

For those of us who have had occasion to deal with the hopelessly insane, one thing shines out. How easily they can be told what to do so long as we allow their perception of order and regulation to be predictable, precise and endlessly repetitious.

OK, I realise that isn’t going to help. Chances are you still don’t understand, so let’s try this ...
Every member of Congress has to daily raise money in order to meet the costs of their re-election. Sometimes the obscene amounts they have to raise far exceed the actual dollar figures they daily encounter while at work. Which is why a lot of the time they are not at work. Sandwich the fund-raising between the Gone Bonkers who NEVER stop lobbying and the LOBBYISTS that get paid, and somewhere in there, once in a while, they actually get something right! Because every now and again, usually far, far less than more, the normal take the time to lobby their guy ... but rarely the OTHER GUY!

Wanna see the photo’s? Lobby CONGRESS! (Or not ... might cut into type, text and twitter time!)

By the way, Obama has stated on more than one occassion ... that’s up to Congress ... go after Congress.
THEY WRITE THE LAW!

More flip-flop.

The Pentagon and Defense Secretary Gates have now announced that there will be no change in the don’t ask, don’t tell policy in the near future. I venture to posit: never during an Obama administration.

Since the decision on DADT is up to the US Congress, my conclusion is that Gates et al. have counted the anti-votes in Congress and have concluded that their mole-job in Congress has been successful. There will not be enough ayes.

Where is our vaunted commander-in-chief? His ‘bully pulpit’ has shrunk to a toddler’s potty. He has become the laughing stock of the military. Of course only behind his back.

freedom loving american: do not fret about the repukes ‘destroying’ your hope for change. Mr. Hot-Air is already doing that himself. Can’t you see that? Mr. Hot-Air wants to become known in the future history books as the “President Who Won The War in Afghanistan/Pakistan” which I predicted on the day he declared for running.

Obama is NOT a Socialist…how ridiculous.

It is quickly becoming obvious that Hillary Clinton would have been a much better President than flip-flopping Obama. Much better only in the sense that America would have known more reliably what the new president was going to be up to. Now the hope/change-drunk Obama voters have saddled us with a president who was obviously dismally prepared for the job, whose hot-air promises are alarmingly unreliable and whose actions/decisions are utterly unpredictable.
With Bush I always knew what he was going to do. What he did was often ugly but never a surprise.

LMAO !!

Septimus Severus Obama
More Caramel, more Sugar,
Sweeter smiles, Friendlier embraces
Gentler noises
The same big shtick

The same formula
Just take one tweak
away
Add a new one
And the New Coke Tastes nearly Like The Old
The Sheeples Like it
they’re drinking it up
Yes we will
be happy earning
Chinese slave laborers wages
as
Larry Summers nods out
At the first Cabinet meeting!

Yes we can!
Fill the gas bag with hope!

THE OBAMBI’S FIRST 100 DAYS
a.k.a. the Goldman-Sachs Presidency
9 BROKEN PROMISES
5 KEPT [sort of]
FAR MORE CONTINUITY THAN CHANGE
are those broken promises, too
or not???

BLUZMSTR2,

Regarding your earlier comment,
reference:  http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret

Hippie4ever, that’s precisely what I’m worried about—how much longer will it be before dissent is determined to be equivalent to terrorism, and “enhanced interrogation techniques” will be authorized for use against American citizens, right here, in this country, to get to the bottom of terrorist “conspiracies”?

It might be a good idea, friends, to get out Solzhenitsyn’s GULAG ARCHIPELAGO and re-read it—all three volumes. Orwell’s 1984 might be a good read for our times, too.

The photos will be released whether Obama likes it or not. He cannot stop the Internet.

I regard this argument about torture to be curtailed, restricted. My concern is that the government will soon use these “enhanced interrogation techniques” on us, on dissenting U.S. citizens.

Yes I realise that the police use violence on citizens all the time. It’s happened to me twice; both times I did not resist, and it was a case of mistaken identity. But what they did to me wasn’t torture, just an as*kicking.

Maybe they’re hoping to trade up?

I would suggest, Beerdoctor, that Obama is less a “socialist” than a Statist. Everything he’s doing or will do is intended to keep the State powerful and expand its power, no matter who doesn’t like it.

Some clowns on this thread actually believe Obama is moving a socialist agenda forward. But socialist for whom? The $20 million in disaster aid for those caught up in the Gaza massacre is sighted, but nowhere is it mentioned the billions upon billions of dollars given to the belligerent state that made this catastrophe possible. But just to make it all abudantly clear where the Obama administration stands, check out the words of his number 2 man, the honorably despicable Vice President Joe Biden:

“First, Israel’s security is non-negotiable. Period. Period. Our commitment is unshakable. We will continue to provide Israel with the assistance that it needs. We will continue to defend Israel’s right to defend itself and make its own judgments about what it needs to do defend itself.”

Any questions? Here you have a newly elected government that claims to be about having a new way of doing things, yet at the same time, when it comes to the United States biggest military welfare client state, it is “non-negotiable”.
Biden and his ilk are simply not subtle enough to disguise their cravenly selfish political motives.
But perception is important to the Big Barry, so hiding the torture camp evidence, and having a good photo-op with Benjamin Netanyahu, is not only important, but some within the Obama camp consider it to be critical.

Rumsfeld Remained

You’re A War Criminal

Video

At the entrance to the White House Correspondents Dinner, Donald Rumsfeld remained by Codepink “You’re A War Criminal”

Posted May 15, 2009

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22622.htm

It was an e-mail forwarded to me by others.. Sorry, but this site refuses to let me post it..Don’t know why??????

dano1950, May 16 at 12:56 pm #

Are you daft? Or do you believe the rest of us to be such?
You claimed the words in your earlier post to be other than your own, or even that actually expressed your own opinions on the matter…

I asked you to post the link to the words used that you claimed came from the article and you posted a link ( already posted ) that claimed none of the opinions you swore were not your own!

DANOSPEAK:

“To Ardee—I simply copied and pasted this from another article. The American people have a right to know how tax dollars are being spent. I’m not trying to step on toes—just passing along what should have made the news, but was given a one-liner on a ticker tape’

..............

A little intellectual honesty please. Are you taking this position or are you not?

Below is either Dano’s opinion or he is channeling aliens from outer SPace:

dano1950, May 16 at 7:35 am #

There is a video and two sets of pics at the informatioan cleainghouse link…it is very nauseating and depressing…but, necessary to face.

Probably wasnt a good idea when I first woke up. Probably wont eat today, so be warned.

Horrific New Torture Pictures Released

2 of 2

MORE photographs have been leaked of Iraqi citizens tortured by US soldiers at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison on the outskirts of Baghdad.

Warning

The pictures below should only be viewed by a mature AUDIENCE

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11930.htm

Folktruther, you definitely need a new secretary. 

:-D

[[Page 6115]]
Presidential Determination No. 2009-15 of January 27, 2009

Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To Gaza
Memorandum for the Secretary of State
By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the ``Act’‘), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.
You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

(Presidential Sig.)
THE WHITE HOUSE,
Washington, January 27, 2009

dano1950, May 16 at 10:18 am #

To Ardee—I simply copied and pasted this from another article. The American people have a right to know how tax dollars are being spent. I’m not trying to step on toes—just passing along what should have made the news, but was given a one-liner on a ticker tape
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......sans attribution? How does one separate an article supposedly cut and pasted from your additions thereto? Why on earth is this such a revelation when we have offered sanctuary to many peoples from many lands afflicted with wars ,pestilence and other such?

I will not accuse you of the obvious seeming support for some article you claim to have just posted here ( why not link?) , or note that your crocodile tears in just publicizing something without taking sides seems fraudulent as hell. Nope, wont do that.

Thanks for the correction, Paul.  My cat, Ms Squeeks, does my typing and editing and not only are her paws to big for the keys, she nods off if she is awake more than 15 minuites.

The photos are out (with a video) from Austrailia.

(warning: very horrible)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11944.htm

And this is just Abu Ghraib…I’m sure that there is worse coming out.Those with blinders partially on, didnt think it wouldnt get out did you???

Look at the ones who are dead closely and realize that these contractors and “admitted under desparate circumstances” “soldiers” could be turned on you, at any time…if you dont believe it, look into the history of the Black Panthers and others.

Then, look at pics from other places, like GITMO and Black Ops sites—do you really think that these dimwits dreamed these things up, all at the same time, on their own? Doesnt it frighten you, when you read the sick sexual stuff, that someone could find this stimulating? Do you think that a person does these types of things and just “walks away”?

Why isnt everyone who was involved, including aiding and abetting, on trial at the Hague?

To Ardee—I simply copied and pasted this from another article. The American people have a right to know how tax dollars are being spent. I’m not trying to step on toes—just passing along what should have made the news, but was given a one-liner on a ticker tape

Begging your pardon, Folktruther, but Lyndon Johnson ran as a “peace candidate” and then took the country deeper into Vietnam in 1964, not 2004.

For dano1950, May 16 at 7:35 am #

Errr, sorry but what??????

I would offer that this nation, and others as well, have offered refuge to folks whose lives are imperiled in various ways ( I might remind you of the poem on the Statue of Liberty that begins…” Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses). I might note that 20 million is chump change when compared to the usual expenditures from D.C. I could even note that your hyperbolic association of these refugees with ( imaginary)ties to Hamas is beyond tolerance or reality, or even comment upon your absolute drivel in associating this action with socialism in government. Instead I will simply post the link and allow others to think for themselves:

[[Page 6115]]
Presidential Determination No. 2009-15 of January 27, 2009

Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To Gaza
Memorandum for the Secretary of State
By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the ``Act’‘), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.

Subject: FW: H.R. 1388 was passed

H.R. 1388 was passed

He is a dangerous man !!!!!

Whether you are an Obama fan, or not, EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to know….

Something happened… H. R. 1388 was passed yesterday, behind our backs. You may want to read about it. It wasn’t mentioned on the news… just went by on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.

Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA. This is the news that didn’t make the headlines…

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in “migration assistance” to the Palestinian refugees and “conflict victims” in Gaza.

The “presidential determination”, which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States, was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement(Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

Let’s review… itemized list of some of Barack Obama’s most recent actions since his inauguration:

His first call to any head of state, as president, was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.

His first one-on-one television interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television.

His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(s) not just here within the U. S., but within the world, using U. S. tax payer funds.

He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.

He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.

He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and the “terror attack” on
9/11.

Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.

These important, and insightful, issues are being “lost” in the blinding bail-outs and “stimulation” packages.

Doubtful? To verify this for yourself: http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

PLEASE PASS THIS ON… AMERICA NEEDS TO KNOW

WE are losing this country at a rapid pace.

He is pushing this Socialist Agenda. ...

That’s what Obama campaigned on, Jackpine, changing the Bushite policies.  Like Wilson in 1916, Roosevelt in 1940, Truman after ww 2, and Johnson in 2004, he campaigned on peace and went to war.  torture is part of that war.

Perhaps it’s oversimplified, but Bush Jr. planted the poisonous seeds, and Obama is on course to reap the foul harvest, even if he does get a second term in 2012.

The refrain is always that discussing this matter will be a recruitment tool for “the bad guys”.  But since the whole world already knows that it went/goes on it seems that the bad guys already have their recruitment tool.

On the other hand, if the US came clean of it’s own accord and acted to prosecute those who ordered/fiddled in legalize the behavior in the name of the American public, wouldn’t that suggest to the Arab street that America really is capable of reforming.  Wouldn’t it likely end being an anti-recruitment technique?

I agree that if Obama leads this nation in the same manner as Clinton, all will be lost.  Clinton lead so much like reagan and bush that most people really did believe there was not much difference in the two parties. Which lead to the moronic chimps cabal.

Perhaps the difference of the leaders is slight but significant and those that voted for President Obama had great hopes and dreams, which we know repukes want to destroy.

Unfortunately, it seems osama bin laden has won.  He has revealed how criminal the politics in washington really have been, and, obama wants to simply ignore america’s criminal practices.  YUK!!!

What do you mean, that you “like Barack”? Do you know him personally? Do you mean that you agree with him? On what issues?

I am teasing, but, it really annoys me, the familiarity that people seem to think that they have with this man, and, his family…

“liking him” has become “way too much ” the issue. when, as Naomi Klein says, it is time to put the Obama t-shirts away….

I like Barack but when will we have a leader who acts on what is right rather than what is politically expedient. Can he not consider that the plutocratic forces of greed and evil were made strong by Beelzebub I (Bush) and Beelzebub II (Cheney) and that the forces of good, representing the many, can be stronger with a little effort. Working for the common good is a hard task and that work will be mercilessly attacked by the evil forces of lobbyists paid for by God-less men and women.

freedom loving american—How is the GOP stand on this one, different from the Dems stand?

David Brooks, and other neo-cons , are thrilled.
Today, on Lehrer NewsHour: (paraphrase) “...well, today, in the field…I think that one of the troops will say, Obama took one for us..” (note tears almost spilling from his bogus eyes)
I need a barf bag.

His republican appeasing has been extremely disappointing.  But since bush, we know we can never elect another republican for any office not even dogcatcher, who would trust there beloved animals to a republican.  After all republicans stand for hate, greed, fear, terror and torture.

No Obama is not perfect, but miles and miles ahead of any republican. We now need to simply take responsibility and elect democrats that support the people of this great nation. and vote out the democrats that stand with the republicans.

“What should the President’s friends say?”  That he’s doing bad.  Yes, he can “never appease” his enemies.

Glenn Greenwald has two super columns in a row on his
Salon.com address: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

Comments on this website, TruthDig, by many, have been to the point.  Also on TruthOut.  What will we all do about it?is the question now.