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Posted on May 12, 2009
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By Eugene Robinson

Can’t we send Dick Cheney back to Wyoming? Shouldn’t we chip in and buy him a home where the buffalo roam and there’s always room for one more crazy old coot down at the general store?

For the final act of his too-long public career, Cheney seems to have decided to become an Old Faithful of self-serving nonsense. His latest in a series of eruptions came Sunday on “Face the Nation,” when he continued to press his revisionist case for torture—and, for good measure, counseled his beloved Republican Party to marginalize itself even further from public opinion and common sense.

“It’s good to go back on the show,” Cheney told host Bob Schieffer at the beginning of the interview. “It’s nice to know that you’re still loved and are invited out in public sometimes.”

I don’t know about the love, but I do know why Cheney gets asked to appear on talk shows so regularly. Unrestrained by protocol or objective reality, he’s pretty much guaranteed to say outrageous things. He requires no prompting or coaxing. As far as he’s concerned, issues have just one side—his—and anyone who disagrees must secretly wish to deliver our nation to al-Qaida.

So when Schieffer asked if Cheney “literally” meant to say that the Obama administration has “made this country more vulnerable” to terrorist attacks by repealing Bush-era policies on torture and detention, the former vice president didn’t pause for a nanosecond. “That’s my belief,” Cheney said, “based upon the fact, Bob, that we put in place those policies after 9/11. ... It was a time of great concern, and we put in place some very good policies, and they worked, for eight years.”

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Cheney added that “to the extent that those policies were responsible for saving lives, that the administration is now trying to cancel those policies or end them, terminate them, then I think it’s fair to argue—and I do argue—that that means in the future we’re not going to have the same safeguards we’ve had for the last eight years.”

This is the crux of Cheney’s “argument,” and I put the word in quotation marks because it isn’t really a valid argument at all. After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the Bush administration approved programs and methods that previously would have been considered illegal or unacceptable: arbitrary and indefinite detention of terrorism suspects, waterboarding and other abusive interrogation methods, secret CIA prisons, unprecedented electronic surveillance. Since 2001, there have been no new attacks on what the Bush administration creepily called the “homeland.” Therefore, everything that was done in the name of preventing new attacks was justified.

The fallacy lies in the fact that it is impossible for Cheney to prove that anti-terrorism methods within the bounds of U.S. law and tradition would have failed to prevent new attacks. Nor, for that matter, can Cheney demonstrate that torture and other abuses were particularly effective.

Other high-ranking officials from the previous administration, including George W. Bush himself, have had the manners and good sense to follow long-established custom and refrain from attacking the new president and his policies. Cheney, however, is not only accusing President Obama of knowingly putting American lives at risk—an outrageous charge—but also diving headlong into partisan politics.

Schieffer asked him about Rush Limbaugh’s assertion that the Republican Party would be better off if Colin Powell left and became a Democrat. One would think that Cheney would have at least a measure of respect for a longtime colleague with whom he had served in two administrations. But one would be wrong.
 
“Well, if I had to choose in terms of being a Republican, I’d go with Rush Limbaugh, I think,” Cheney said. “I think my take on it was Colin had already left the party. I didn’t know he was still a Republican.”

Let’s see: Given a choice between a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and secretary of state who has given to his nation a lifetime of exemplary public service or an entertainer who brags about how much money he makes from bombast and bluster, Cheney would go with the gasbag. This is advice that’s supposed to help the Republican Party?

I really think Cheney would be happier if he were home on the range. I’m sure the deer and the antelope would enjoy listening to what he has to say.

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.

© 2009, Washington Post Writers Group
   


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By Inherit The Wind, May 23, 2009 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

There I was, vacuuming my pool and I look down and some rotted junk on the bottom looked like…Dick Cheney!

Even more amazing, while cleaning up my back yard from our new doggie with a pooper-scooper.  I look down as I’m scraping and what do I see? Dick Cheney’s glowering visage staring back up at me! 

He’s in the muck everywhere!

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By KDelphi, May 23, 2009 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

ITW—Stop it now!! I am too curious not to check back!
lol
Everytime I look at the grill this weekend, I will see Cheney’s face embossed on the food…or wish it was.

I still dont see Jesus on my grilled cheese, though.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 22, 2009 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi, May 22 at 2:07 am #

ITW—Oh no!! I reflexively clicked on it again!! AAUUGHH! That face!!

Yes, you did…
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Yeah, he wasn’t just hit with an ugly stick….

He was nailed with an ugly PILE DRIVER….repeatedly!

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By KDelphi, May 21, 2009 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment

ITW—Oh no!! I reflexively clicked on it again!! AAUUGHH! That face!!

Yes, you did…

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By Inherit The Wind, May 21, 2009 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi, May 21 at 3:40 pm #

Friocking chicken hawk. This will be my last reply here, as I cannot stand to see his fricking face again.

His “speech” today was absurd.
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Did I at least give you a respite from being your nemesis and instead give you a good belly laugh instead?

If so, my work is done! smile

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By KDelphi, May 21, 2009 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

Friocking chicken hawk. This will be my last reply here, as I cannot stand to see his fricking face again.

His “speech” today was absurd.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 20, 2009 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi, May 20 at 1:17 pm #

Well, lets start from “Cheney is a total war criminal and a mf-er” and go from there?

; )

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It all depends on WHOSE mother it is—his daughters’ mother, Lynn(Gives me icy chills!) is to be expected….but the mothers of all those dead soldiers and Iraqi are screwed far worse.

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By KDelphi, May 20, 2009 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

Well, lets start from “Cheney is a total war criminal and a mf-er” and go from there?

; )

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By Inherit The Wind, May 19, 2009 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi, May 19 at 7:16 pm #

ITW—Yes!!! It makes my bp soar!!
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We can’t agree on ANYTHING!!!!

It makes your blood pressure soar but it makes my ulcer flare up!

(LOL, of course!)

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By KDelphi, May 19, 2009 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

ITW—Yes!!! It makes my bp soar!!

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By Inherit The Wind, May 19, 2009 at 5:05 am Link to this comment

Is everybody else getting as sick of looking at this sick f**k’s face as I am?

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By samosamo, May 15, 2009 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

By KDelphi, May 15 at 5:33 pm

You might find it a better copy at YouTube, if not order it from robert kane pappas at that site with the same name.

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By KDelphi, May 15, 2009 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

Sep—Yes, but there are so few people per square mile it is easier to avoid them..lol. I watched “Giant” last night, and, felt the same way as i did the first time I saw the actual state—how ugly!!

NO offense, if you live there….ohio is a big Wal mart…was beautiful at one time…

samosamo—Excellent video—I’m going to go watch the rest of it, if I stay with other sites open, it is too “chopped up”...starts “tiling”

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By Sepharad, May 14, 2009 at 10:03 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi—I’m relieved to hear that Cheney is not a “Wyomingite”—but the people up there are pretty politically conservative (and also rely on income from their coal reserves). We did try to keep conversations from becoming political—so much more interesting stuff to talk about—but the bronc riding blacksmith, half way through shoeing Margareta, asked me what a nice Jewish girl was doing in weird California. Told him California was like Texas or the East Coast—you can find anything you want to find and ignore the rest.

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By samosamo, May 14, 2009 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

By Skwid, May 14 at 5:39 pm

You got right though just not all of it .

If you want the real low-down on the current state of the media I suggest you view this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1925114769515892401

It is a documentary made be robert kane papas that explores the demise of the journalism that is NO MORE because when in the ‘old days’, the 50s & 60s, there were 70 more or less owners of the media, now there are only 4 or 5 and those are consevative owned, operated and controlled with rupert murdoch leading the way into punditry opinions instead of news.

This should not have happened but the criminals that have infected our government at all levels were able to ignore the antitrust laws and convince the FCC to allow one owner of almost all the media in one town or region, clearwater is the classic example of radio going mostly conservative.

Go to that link and watch it, if you are like me when I am discovering the criminal takeover in all parts of our government to achieve objectives like that of just 4 or 5 owners of the msm, which reaches the most people still and that which provides almost nothing but disinformation, no information, fluff, razzle dazzle and BS, it will make you sick and mad as hell, especially when obama campaigned on fixing this situation and I am still waiting for anything to happen about that.

But as screwed as this is, even more so are the ‘elite’ who have set this up because the money and the media are what they really want to control.

If you want more, go to the website ‘Orwell Rolls in His Grave’ and order the dvd because it has an extra 75 minutes or so of discussion in the ‘extra features’ section. I still get my copy out and watch it several times a year. And this IS the most important issue to resolve for this country because if the people are not given information or given lies and fluff and BS, how can they make critical and important decisions.

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By Skwid, May 14, 2009 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment
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re: Brusays
The question isn’t WHAT are we being given but WHY are we getting it? Why aren’t we getting real news from real investigative reporters presented by real journalists?

Becasue they have been put out of business by the wack job non-news stations and pundit shows. When people are watching this crap they are not reading news from legit news papers and agencies. The number of good, long standing news papers going out of business is proof of this. And good invesitgative journalism is expensive and the profit margin is not high enough to allow it.

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By bluejeanne, May 14, 2009 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment
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Blood is thicker than water.  Remember that Obama mentioned during the campaign that Cheyney was a distant cousin.  Apparently they are not- so- distant after all. 

When Cheyney DOES go packing back to Wyoming that might be a sign that things are really getting treacherous.  After all he has an underground hide-away where he can avoid the calamities that he keeps warning the rest of us are impending.

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By samosamo, May 14, 2009 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

Do unto others as they have done unto you.

Hey, dick! Here is the real golden rule and I really hope someone you have done to them returns the favor, many times over.

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By Spiritgirl, May 14, 2009 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Chaney’s non argument is just that a non-argument!  If the former mis-Administration had paid attention to the warnings of the prior administration the “homeland” would have been secure!  They might have been able to head off 9-ll, but no, their lies, obfuscations, and deceptions to the American people are what has us in our current quagmire! 

Furthermore as they were so adept at keeping secrets during their tenure, that he now wants information released via the FOIA is laughable- and makes me wonder if this “new information” was falsified before they left office!  These warmongers that all dodged Vietnam because they had better things to do than fight for their country, need to shut up and sit down!!!  That he even gets media time is proof that the corporate media are less interested in the truth, than continuing their shameful practice of deceiving the American public for their own private gain!

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By KDelphi, May 14, 2009 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

Actually, Cheney is NOT a “Wyomingite” as Dubya called him…he was “made one” so that he could run as Dubya’s runinng mate. (Cheney live(d)(d) , at least most of the time, in texas.

They cant both be from the same state. He may have a “house” in Wyoming.,..he has them all over.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 14, 2009 at 5:34 am Link to this comment

hippie4ever, May 13 at 6:46 pm #

OUTRAGED, have no fear, Dick Cheney could come live in my neighbourhood. I live on top of a treacherously steep hill, and accidents happen all the time.
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I don’t want ANYTHING to happen to Cheney that stands in the way of him going to jail in disgrace for crimes he committed.  I think he is a first-class traitor, not only to his nation, and to the Americans and others who died by his web of lies, but even to the people who trusted him, like George H.W. Bush, who counted on him to keep his idiot son out of trouble.

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By Bobar, May 14, 2009 at 3:43 am Link to this comment
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Cheney/Bush and company should be waterboarded until they tell the truth.

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By Sepharad, May 13, 2009 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment

Inherit and coloradokarl, the only time I have been in Wyoming was 10 days last summer, Greenriver Basin, to be exact, which we explored on our horses, rode with a couple herds of wild horses, found petroglyphs, got seriously lost, slept out atop Pilot Butte, met cowboys and former bronc rider turned blacksmith and people who guided rich guys on pack trains who had stories of bears and cougars, eerily smart mules and dumb rich drunks. Were in a very very cheap motel but as only slept there ignored the fleas etc. As a kid I was into the historical mountainmen, Indians, and was stunned how beautiful the Green River and land still is, how independent and not rich but don’t care the people who live there are. In short, I couldn’t believe this was the same state that spawned Dick Cheney. The people we met were patriotic and mostly Republican and overtly Christian but otherwise were smart, non-pretentious, amused by our scrambling around the countryside unwilling to be guided or organized. Only bad moment was one morning over our coffee and eggs, local news blatted out that McCain just picked Sarah Palin, ran down her creds (i.e. lack of same) and everyone in the diner cheered.

So Cheny being from Wyoming is something that does not make a whole lot of sense. Even more surprising is the fact that he is using the FoI Act to some torture-generated information material released and declassified. If anyone had suggested a year ago that Dick Cheney would be doing anything but abolishing the FoI Act, I wouldn’t have believed it.

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By Debra Istvanik-Strotman, May 13, 2009 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment

In my opinion Cheney is insane and has been for years.

Possibly, now has dementia because though his brain was never wired on the side of honesty,integrity, and truth, Cheney has really gone off the deep end.

Possibly trying to set up an insanity defense in the event we finally bring him up on charges of crimes against humanity.

Cheney is like the proverbial bad penny, he just keeps showing up where he isn’t wanted or needed.

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By Mg, May 13, 2009 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment
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Being (vice) president means never having to say you’re sorry. Nevertheless, he should be investigated, tried, and hanged.

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By msgmi, May 13, 2009 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment
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The Japanese military during WW-II used waterboarding and were subsequently found guilty of war crimes. Now that ex-Vice has legalized it, it could be time to exonerate those war criminals in orderto re-write history as Ex-Vice is so adament at doing for himself and his executive branch team.

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By hippie4ever, May 13, 2009 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

OUTRAGED, have no fear, Dick Cheney could come live in my neighbourhood. I live on top of a treacherously steep hill, and accidents happen all the time.

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By SteveK9, May 13, 2009 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

Everyone needs to ignore him, including you.  It’s the only way to make him go away.  Either that or prosecute him and put him in jail (unlikely unfortunately).

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By sophrosyne, May 13, 2009 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment
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Dick served big oil, the war industries and Israel faithfully. He did not serve Americans well and the price are paying for his disasterous policies have damged America forever.  Obama knows his role is to manage decline and to gradua;lly reveal its depths to the American people too many of which pine to maintain their illusion that their children and grandchildren will still do better than they did.  They won’t.

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By KDelphi, May 13, 2009 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

Paul_Ga—it was in the NYT, and, on Common Dreams. I think youre right.

Apparently nobody gives a rat’s ass.

Dont want to see then, huh sheeples? Well, you will…after 2010, probably.

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By mandinka, May 13, 2009 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

ugene is spot on i bought BO some property in Uganda and some goats to raise when he’s done in 2012. Great place to build his library

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By ocjim, May 13, 2009 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

Why wasn’t Beelzebub asked why only on his watch was an outrageous and cowardly terrorist attack completely successful without planes being scrambled, without Bush being roused from the seclusion of reading a child’s book and with him (Cheney) at the helm.

We should always wonder if the Jerk-in-Chief and the Backup-Jerk Knowingly allowed it to happen.

If it was allowed, he should be prosecuted. If it was an oversight, then Cheney should graciously shut up.

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By Paul_GA, May 13, 2009 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

Has anyone heard that Obama is going to block that release of abuse photos?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/68103.html

Apparently, as I see it, Cheney convinced him not to do it.

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By BobZ, May 13, 2009 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

We voted to send Bush and Cheney into retirement but Cheney refuses to go. We can’t tune him out because even if we don’t watch Fox News, the other networks run what he says on Fox, or CBS decides we need to know what Cheney thinks and the other networks regurgitate that. This is a form of torture. We thought we got rid of Dr. Strangelove, but he keeps showing up. What we need is a “Cheney spam filter” with face detection technology that would screen him out automatically.

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, May 13, 2009 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

Oh give me a home where the buffalo roam
And the dear and the antelope play
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
Even after I shoot ‘em in the face!

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By NYCartist, May 13, 2009 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

“one more crazy old coot”?  No.  I object to calling a person who needs to be investigated for criminal behavior, breaking laws and subverting the US Constitution “crazy”.  Besides insulting people who have mental illness, it “lets him off the hook” so to speak.  Once you call someone with whom you disagree, “crazy”, it nullifies the issues.

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By Folktruther, May 13, 2009 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

Sepahard, Ardee, the reason that Obama doesn’t prosecute Bushite Constitutional illegalities is because he is still committing them.

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By WriterOnTheStorm, May 13, 2009 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

Finding a topic that ITW and Folktruther can agree on would be amusing except for the fact that Chaney is acting strategically and methodically here.

Ever the agent of the neocon masterplan, Chaney is making a gambit that sometime over the next 7 years there will be an act of ‘terrorism’ which can then be blamed on the ‘soft approach’ of the democrats and used to restore his cabal to power.

Playing into that is Chaney’s excessive pride in Al Qaeda, the fiction that gave the Bush admin unprecedented executive power. Al Qaeda is his masterpiece, an artfully crafted farrago, equal to Dan Brown’s melodramatic and paranoia tinged inventions. Still unable to provide a positive vision for the country’s future, Chaney instead seeks to ensure a lasting legacy of “terrornoia”.

The “communist threat” lasted half a century. The “war on drugs” is still making politicians rich after 30 years. They can play this one for couple of generations more - at least.

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By dparker, May 13, 2009 at 9:48 am Link to this comment
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Sadly, I’m from Wyoming.  Cheney owns a house in the Jackson area, where elite rich folk have summer mansions, etc.  However, there is limited medical service available.  I have to wonder if his reason for staying in Virginia isn’t two fold.  He can continue to blow hot air and his doctors are close by.  My question is…why do these news shows keep asking him on?  He has nothing new or constructive to add.  I, too, wish he would blow away.

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By Fathoms, May 13, 2009 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

My observations of Cheney lead me to believe that back when the government was selling surplus silos, old Dick would have bought one. Pour him in and seal it forever.
If he hadn’t purchased a silo; knock me over with a feather, add it to the stimulus package. Build one and pour him into it . . .

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By JanisL, May 13, 2009 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
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I say let the old blowhard incriminate himself further with his absurd lies!  He and Jeb seem to have anointed themselves as some imagined wise (not) elder statesmen, when they are in fact considered by the public as abject criminals!  Of course we don’t want to hear their drivel—we didn’t when they still had jobs.  “Old generals don’t die . . .they just fade away” —except that neither of these dodgers ever served, they had “other priorities.”  What a pox and a stain both of these horrid families have been on our nation, for too many decades!  Committing their serial crimes with impunity, with their treacherous crooked smiles in place.  News media, take note:  we your readers/viewers do NOT want to see these monsters darken ONE more article/broadcast!  Yes, while 9/11 was being planned,  both were aware, and Jeb and George carefully coordinated the very day it was to happen, with George insipidly appearing at an elementary school far from the scene (Sarasota FL) and Jeb declaring a state of emergency in FL just a few days prior to the attacks!  Mossad spies and our spies were tracking the whole plot for months!  But you see, AIPAC/Pentagon/neocon cabal needed a dramatic “catalyst” to justify George’s planned aggression against the Arab world/for oil—so 3,000 lives that day became so much COLLATERAL DAMAGE.  Shame upon us all.

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By Hulk2008, May 13, 2009 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

Instead of constantly letting Dick chatter about torture and how he supposedly saved the homeland for 7 1/2 years, how about torturing him into revealing how he and the oil barons disrupted the economy from the pulpit of his secret oil meetings with them early in his administration?  How about nailing him for letting 9/11 occur in the first place?
  If Dick and Bush had truly been doing all they could, then 9/11 would have been averted and the whole Afghan War and Iraq War would have been obviated.  Cheney was NOT a newcomer when he arrived as VP - he was a long-time insider and was already privy to most of the intelligence from his prior slots.  If waterboarding is so darned great, he should have been using it on Jan. 20 2001 to stop Al Qaeda in the first place.  The truth is that he was more concerned with feathering his nest with oil laden feathers and lining the pockets of his Petrolum Pals ..... too darned greedy to save the 3000 New Yorkers.

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By Bud, May 13, 2009 at 7:00 am Link to this comment
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Dirty Dick!!DIRTY DICK!!!This bastard would walk across a field of whores to [expletive deleted] his own mother!!!!!

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By Paul_GA, May 13, 2009 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

Ye gods, how I wish this evil, cruel old so-and-so would just dry up and blow away and leave the country alone!

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By ender, May 13, 2009 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

One of my favorite books is “Boyd, the fighter pilot that changed the art of war”.  While John Boyd was fighting corrupt Pentagon procurement practises, Senator then SecDef Dick was quietly taking over the entire Dept of Defense, and made all military procurement his forever.  While Pappy was, and may still be in charge of the CIA which enabled Shrub to arrange 9/11 without “Intelligent” intervention, Dick’s entire career was setting up a war where the friends of Bush’s business were able to run a war for eight years that probably funnelled more than $1Trillion dollars to their coffers.  Pappy is still COB of the Carlisle Group, so every bomb dropped made the family money, while Haliburton and subsidiaries were able to make this a war where there were more contractors on the ground than American soldiers.

Cheney and the Bush Family have raped our nation for generations.  This country will never be safe while they walk the planet, much less Wyoming.

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By Rodger Lemonde, May 13, 2009 at 5:36 am Link to this comment
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If he wants to run his mouth he should allow enhanced interrogation techniques. He insists they work to get at the truth.

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By James Matson, May 13, 2009 at 5:28 am Link to this comment
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Buy him a house in Wyoming?  Get real Eugene, he already has a house there, plus one in Marland’s Eastern shore, and one in DC proper.

We should buy him a life-time supply of Adult Diapers to stem the flow of shit coming from both his orifaces.

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By radson, May 13, 2009 at 4:10 am Link to this comment

In order to understand Dick and his clique ,one has to understand the Soviet System .Reading Robert Conquest’s monumental book “The Great Terror ” would be a good start for anyone

interested in the powers of intrigue.

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By James M. Martin, May 13, 2009 at 4:08 am Link to this comment
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I tend to agree with the Wyoming folks who have responded to Robinson’s plea to send Prick Cheney back to that state; obviously, there are many there who do not want him.  I would suggest that in lieu of carting the bum back to Wyoming, we send him where he really belongs: Guantanamo.

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By Purple Girl, May 13, 2009 at 3:40 am Link to this comment

One more Mission Failed, The War on Terror.
Cheney is patting himself on the back when other terror attacks have plagued other countries? Apparently their methods failed to come up with those plots.Also Since ALL those detained throughtout the world were ‘Terrorists’- how could they be sure they had ALL the intell on various plots UNLESS they Tortured them all. Media sates 2 were waterboarded about 253 times- but Cheney said 3- who’s the third? fouth? Hundredth? We are not safe because the Bushies not only FAILED to bring an end to terrorism they jacked up the stakes with their methods.
Torture, along with Rendition,Black sites and Hit Squads (and God only knows what else) ARE International WAR Crimes, if not Crimes against Humanity. The Bushies Nullified Our Legal System, all branches of Our Gov’t (Scalias circular/twisted Logic about Torture v Punishment), All agencies of our Military, and Our system of values in the eyes of the World and ourselves. His, and his cronies and minions should be facing the international Court. For the Left to continue to entertain this ludicrious debate is only helping Cheney distract from this Reality- it’s out of our hands. We can only provide the necessary information, Do the ‘legwork’ and extradict them when requested.
The only legal issues we should be debating is which charges and how many counts on each should be levied under our TREASON laws.Cherry picking Intell, lying to the American public, wiretapping/spying…Which ever of the 35 articles of Impeachment still apply.
What I found interesting about the ‘Face teh nation’ interview was his hesitation inregards to what W knew, then the use of the disclaimer ‘Basically’- sounded like Cheney was basically admitting the Presidency ahd been out of the loop, Usurped.He so proudly admits he knew all that was going on- sounded like yet another confesssion of Treason.
What also struck me Odd, was that he also has reverted back to discussing Saddam and Anthrax. Does he think we have forgotten about the ‘mad scientist’ or has He?
Seems Dicks sociopathic, schizophrenia with delusions of Granduer (God Complex)features, has given way to a degree of Alzheimers
One thing that has not ‘slipped’ Dicks mind though is the fact if he is to be tried for his numerous High Crimes he wants desperately to be Tried Here, Be sentenced under our laws and enjoy the American Accomodations (a result of our weak stomachs for Execution)

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By mike112769, May 13, 2009 at 2:58 am Link to this comment

Dick is a criminal and a piece of shit. His best contribution to the human race will be when he finally dies, just like the thousands of soldiers he conned into the “war on terror”. His opinion about ANYTHING means as much to me as a cold pile of dog vomit.

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By rockinrobin, May 13, 2009 at 1:48 am Link to this comment
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the “leaders” commenting on waterboarding was to cover up, distract the public from the knowledge of what is truly going on. Public perception folks: is why the MEDIA does what it does; if you see it, hear it, read it in the USA: news flash folks! the REAL country no one will buy products from due to the chemicals etc is the USA NOT CHINA! see how VERY clever they are at DECEPTION!
What the WHOLE WORLD knows except for Americans: is that when “science” went 1st: Rockefeller owing 93 per cent of Pharma, and the chemical companies who (it is known as FASCISM) folks, the Gov and Corps & businesses working hand n hand TARGETING and HARMING The PUBLIC for PERSONAL PROFIT AND GAIN (for themselves) the “elected” the “politicians” who are SUPERIOR in their own minds to every one else. THIS is the AGENDA of the 2 party sytem pretending to be one criminally operated exploitation is a CRIME; backed up with judges guiltier than any appearing before them cuz THEY go along with this “charade”.
Our Gov has exceeded the Nazi’s in sick and depraved torture; every other nation knows it; they are carrying out Hitlers agenda in nation after nation. WAKE UP AMERICANS!
http://www.truthout.org will list details and they are NOT pretty.

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By Outraged, May 13, 2009 at 12:02 am Link to this comment

Eugene:

Your quote: “I really think Cheney would be happier if he were home on the range. I’m sure the deer and the antelope would enjoy listening to what he has to say.”

This is inaccurate.  The deer and the antelope kinda have a penchant for soft rock and pop.  I shit you not, my sister and I did a “complete” scientific exploratory venture regarding this “exact” phenomena and you know….. well, okay….. it was more of a “let’s just mess with the closest neighbors” phenomena… and I’m serious, they would find Cheney’s spiel, less than enamoring.  I’m dead serious.  Because you see, EVEN THE DEER AND THE ANTELOPE cannot “play” to THAT staccato.

But what REALLY trips my trigger, here….. Eugene, is this comment:

“Can’t we send Dick Cheney back to Wyoming? Shouldn’t’ we chip in and buy him a home where the buffalo roam and there’s always room for one more crazy old coot down at the general store?”

Listen Eugene, the SOB was a transplant…. and you know it…. knock it off.  Bullshit on that, I SAY, he should take up residence on YOUR block.  How do you like them apples…?  Not so funny, huh…  I see this as a incomprehensible OUTRAGE you metaphorically inflict upon the people of Wyoming.  Are you MAD…?  You keep him.  He’s yours.  Have at ‘er.

To “send” Cheney to Wyoming is outright MEAN.  No…. send him to “the welfare queens” or maybe…. ahhh….ahhh…. have you heard lately of any offshoot tribes (anywhere..) that still sacrifice “important figures” to volcanoes…?

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By samosamo, May 12, 2009 at 11:48 pm Link to this comment

By Sepharad, May 13 at 2:18 am
“”“why Obama hasn’t tried harder to go after the Constitutional violations.”“”
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Well, isn’t it understood, though not discussed much, that the whole of our governments, local to state to federal, is just one great big corrupt orgy?

Not only an orgy of huge and vast amounts of illegal money swapping, but the old ‘skeletons in the closet’ brand also where I have some rather damaging information on you and you have some damaging information on me kind of government, which is the really true game of politics now.

Instead of trying to keep government and politics from degrading to such a point, that whole of government now is just ONE BIG CORRUPT PIECE OF SHIT!

So why tell on each other when the main goal is to get re-elected so’s to keep the money faucets open that keeps on passing the cash even if one is voted out of office or removed, after all it just the taxpayer’s money and it doesn’t stop paying.

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By Sepharad, May 12, 2009 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment

ardee, you’re right. The most important issue is why Obama hasn’t tried harder to go after the Constitutional violations. Pressing for this is where we should be putting our efforts.

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By jrundin, May 12, 2009 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment

The ugliest part of this is why Cheney wanted to torture people.

We already know that, according to the “Downing Street Memos” the intelligence was being “fixed” to support a war on Iraq.

It is reported already that Dick Cheney, when evidence didn’t fit what he wanted, put pressure on goverment agents to get the intelligence he wanted.

This whole torture thing was meant to do that. Torture is not good at getting the truth. It’s very good at getting false admissions.

I’m guessing that Cheney wanted torture to be used to force poor suffering people to make up stories that would support his case for a war on Iraq.

I actually think that Cheney could be so sociopathic that he convinced himself that this was the right thing to to do. He actually could justify torturing people to get support for policy that he thought was right.

But I’m appalled.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 12, 2009 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther, May 13 at 12:14 am #

Inherit,KDelphi and the others are right.  He is a war criminal and should be in prison not on TV. Or ub Wyoming.
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Gene Hackman: “Hell, I thought I was dead. But I was only in Iowa.”

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By Folktruther, May 12, 2009 at 9:14 pm Link to this comment

Inherit,KDelphi and the others are right.  He is a war criminal and should be in prison not on TV. Or ub Wyoming.

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By JimBob, May 12, 2009 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

“...Cheney seems to have decided to become an Old Faithful of self-serving nonsense.”

Yes, and by consistently featuring him in the media, talking about him, reacting to him, even telling him to get his saggy old ass back to Wyoming, we’re just feeding the monster.  All he wants is to live on in the public eye, and we’re all giving him what he wants.  Indifference is what he lives in terror of—let’s give him a big dose of it!

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By samosamo, May 12, 2009 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

Where ever this old fart is, it could be he wants to be in on the 2010 or 2012 election to some how get back in control of things that are just kind of slipping away because dick IS a neocon, helped arrange neocon agendas and carried out those neocon agendas everytime he served in a presidential administration.

But as of now, pelosi and reid are the most dangerous people in the federal electorate that are ostensibly democrats concealing actual neoconservative agendas for their own personal, crony, political and financial gains.

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By Andrew Mendes, May 12, 2009 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment
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THIS ISN’T HELPING!!!

What’s the one thing the Right has always been better at?  Framing the debate.

It’s how they pushed through their un-American and un-Constitutional agenda with the support of a fanatical base. Just because the Democrats are in the majority, doesn’t mean these institutions aren’t still firmly in place and running at full steam.

Eugene, obviously you’ve got a good head on your shoulders. But this kid-glove, “Oh look at cute little Dick on the TV, spitting in the face of our laws and wiping his ass with the Constitution… isn’t that darling?” HAS TO STOP.

This man is a criminal. Instead of joshing around with fluffy analogies, we need to frame the problem in a way that allows for a solution—the solution being criminal charges.

If the goal is to bring criminal charges, we need to start treating these men like criminals, not like someone’s harmless ol’ grandpa, sitting on some rocking chair on the Hill, chewing on his tongue.

Truthdig = the media. You have the power to shape public opinion just as Fox News does. All you need to do is present the facts as you find them… because the facts speak for themselves.

I hope you understand the spirit in which I leave this comment. Take a hard line, Mr. Robinson. I know you have in the past.

What have we got to lose except our democracy?

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By BruSays, May 12, 2009 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment

Why are we being fed sound bites from a failed past Vice-President whose approval ratings were in the low teens and whose party is barely at a 20% approval rating?

Because corporate advertisers feed money to the Corporate Media.

It has NOTHING to do with Cheney’s, or Hannity’s, or Limbaugh’s, or Coulter’s and O’Reilly’s relevancy, insight or experience and EVERYTHING to do with viewers and market share. Cheney has always been a bullshitter and we’ve got pages and pages of interviews proving precisely where this liar has pushed a deceitful agenda.

But this matters not. His comments pull in the viewers, not because they’re valid or revelatory, but because they’re ridiculous or outrageous. And this is what the Corporate Media feeds on.

I keep harping on this but it really pisses me off when we all get in a lather over twisted, frivolous, or hyped-up “non-news.” It’s not the message that should worry us but the messenger. The question isn’t WHAT are we being given but WHY are we getting it? Why aren’t we getting real news from real investigative reporters presented by real journalists?

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By Inherit The Wind, May 12, 2009 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

coloradokarl, May 12 at 9:30 pm #

Oh God NO, Wyoming is only 200 miles from MY HOUSE !!!!
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Oh God NO, Wyoming is still one of the 50 United States and means he’ll STILL be in the same country MY HOUSE is in, loose!

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By coloradokarl, May 12, 2009 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

Oh God NO, Wyoming is only 200 miles from MY HOUSE !!!!

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By ardee, May 12, 2009 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment

The sixty four dollar question is why the Obama administration seems satisfied to ignore serious constitutional violations , ones that permeated our government for the eight years of the Cheney administration.

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By KDelphi, May 12, 2009 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

ITW—Lemme guess…because the Justice Dept wont do anything to him?

If Holder would prosecute, even just Cheney, it would certainly help with progressives opinions of him…

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By Inherit The Wind, May 12, 2009 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

I think the only disagreement among TDers is why hasn’t he been brought to justice and why isn’t he already in jail for the rest of his life.

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By KDelphi, May 12, 2009 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

I blame the media for covering him at all..why?????
Oh, I know. Because it makes Democrats look better.

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By robert m puglia, May 12, 2009 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment

physician, fuck thyself

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