Sepharad—I look at it this way; I rode horses all of my life and broke one ankle.

I rode motorcycles for about 5 yrs and almost died.

It takes a human machine to really fu*k you up!

I grew up riding Quarter Horses (or part). When I was married, we raced Standardbreds and, then, I taught at an Ag Tech INsti, mostly Arabs (who are pretty fiesty, but I love them)

I wish I could come out and ride them!

It sounds like an Austrailian type saddle? I mostly rode bareback as a kid…maybe stupid. I had a saddle, but, like you say, if you get to know the horses, if youre bareback, esp. all you have to do is “think”...I am homesick for my horses…

terry freeman:
‘If we actually had something approaching laissez faire, I’d be glad to hear criticism of it. ...’

Well, laissez faire is French….  Oh, wait, the French are good this week.

KDelphi—Peruvians are ridden Spanish-style (no saddle horn, but more under you than an English saddle, legs straight instead of bent,)mostly neck-reined with heavy Peruvian reins and bit. Depends on the horse, but once you and the horse are used to each other you can almost steer it by looking where you want to go. We are indeed in the boonies but there are lots of teenage girls in high schools in Forestville and Sebastopol but they are not like you and I. (I gather from your post that you cleaned stalls to ride. I did too. Also—at age 15, when my dad couldn’t afford any more riding lessons, which he’d gotten me for a few months—I went to a different stable in St. Louis’ Forest Park and flat-out lied. Told the manager I knew everything about riding and would exercise the rich people’s horses FOR FREE all winter long, when they didn’t want to ride their own horses.  That was a major education: all those big crazy thoroughbreds; lucky I didn’t get killed but definitely learned how to ride.) Anyway, the kids now want you to teach them how to ride, let them come at a specified time, pick them up and take them home, and after a few times get tired of it or discover boys or something. More trouble than it’s worth. Also, has gotten hard to ride around here safely—proliferation of boutique wineries and every damned one of them has “tastings” so the roads we have to ride down to get to areas where we can ride are getting pretty dangerous. Also people think it’s funny to screech up and honk their horn to watch the horse get scared.

So we trailer out after work to do long rides (depending on how long it stays light), on weekends and whenever we can figure out how to do it Self-employed people don’t get to take vacations. If you are ever out here we’ll figure out a way. Riding horses is always dangerous of course; they are big and nervous or wouldn’t have survived this long. But Peruvians are pretty intelligent—though there are exceptions—and are about as safe as horses get. They can be initially scary if you haven’t been on one before, as they have this tiger-in-the-tank energy that fires up BUT is easily manageable. We’ve had accidents and I’ve gotten hurt but not as badly as I would’ve on any other horse. If it comes to a somersault, these guys twist so they don’t land on you. They don’t run madly into trees or fences if scared. And unless you treat them badly they don’t try to get you off their back.

Sepharad—Peruvian Pesos are some beautiful horses!! Like riding in a rocking chair, as they say, if I remember correctly…very lucky..are there some young girls around the area? When I was ten, I would clean stalls for a few hours to “ride for a few hours” (lol—the guy I finally bought my fav horse from would let me ride till the sun went down or my ass bled…)..but, you are out in the boonies, no?

Course, there is the problem, if someone would get hurt…Just an idea…I wish I lived near there, I would sure give it a shot..they are ridden English, no?

KDelphi, I swim at the local year-round heated public swimming pool 4x week and it is a big help. Wish you lived around here as we have too many horses for the two of us to keep conditioned properly, and they’d be comfortable for you. They’re Peruvian Pasos and don’t trot, and have brains (i.e., if there is a bad situation they don’t freak out and get you killed). I no longer can start the young ones and have to be really careful riding (so I don’t get the kind of injury that would keep me from riding again), but it’s hard to ride and be careful at the same time. (We explore; lots of off trail. The point is the freedom, and being careful cuts into that. We live in Northern California, closest to Forestville.) Divorces are tough, at best. But then you’re free to find the right person. Even my Catholic cousins forgave me for my divorce, but must say they were glad when I remarried and stayed that way. Told me I challenge their faith in Catholic doctrine (which is a good thing). If they knew that I’m not a religious Jew it would upset them; they are counting on that special covenant Jews are supposed to have with Yahweh to keep me out of hell. (These cousins are the only religious people I know who don’t bother me.)

Sepharad—Yes, I do, off and on, as you say.

I also have osteoarthritis from a few motorcycle accidents, but, I still get around, with some pain.

Some days it is really horrible, isnt it? The water really helps and I’m supposedly moving there , if this thing goes thru (wont bore you with details) I used to ride horses, growing up. I raced them , when I got married, then lost all the horses in the divorce, even though we had acquired them together…

I miss horses alot…I used to teach disabled kids to ride horses as volunteer work. It was one of the best things I ever did…

KDelphi—Totally off topic, but you wrote scrolling and scrolling is hard if you have RA. Do you have rheumatoid arthritis too? (I’ve struggled with it for 21 years now and as you know if you have it some days you eat the bear and some days the bear eats you. Getting a little hard to play piano and ride horses as freely as I’d like but still in the game. Also SLE. Yecch.)

foggyjones—To be very honest with you, I would like to read his opinions. I tried from the start. It is just that when someone preaches at me, my eyes glaze over. I cant concentrate. I do have “selective AADD”, I think. When someone just says the same things over and over, my brain gets numb. I learn to not “hear ” those people anymore.

When you have RA, scrolling and scrolling gets tiresome.

I dont think it really bothers him do you? If he really wanted to reach people with an important message,(one that everyone hasnt heard already, or , if they were interested in such, would go to a site on that topic) he would listen when people say that theyve had enough of the preaching, and get about covering his OTHER chosen topics…

I see my post is gone from yesterday , and it should be…if you had watched the hearings on torture yesterday, and, had friends arrested at the Baucus’ hearings, all in a couple days and, saw the response of the Administration as SO LAME, you would be angry too. I was very angry.

I dont “hate” any one group of people and I apologize.

But, I am tired of hearing the same thing applied across the board.

WEDNESDAY   538 PM/CST   DFW/USA

DWIGHTBAKER is spot on the target, the combination of dumbing down the schools, corrupt closely-held mainstream media and the mortgage banksters and their puppet politicians.

Christians and Jews in the USA have lost tract of morals, ethics and decency, for the most part. Or else, this current fantasic situation could not have happened. Indeed, all the fiery rhetoric has little value, only the final step before outright violence.

Get a grip and pay closer attention to what DwightBaker is trying to tell you. Maybe if it came from Kinky Friedman, running for next governor of the lone star state, then if would have more impact.

“When the finger points to the moon, the fool stares at the finger.”

By KDelphi, May 13 at 4:57 pm

Seems I noticed a little bit of revulsion in your lingo about me.  How could that be?  Gosh I thought we were friends.  Was I wrong to think that?

Well how ever you were raised 20 30 40 50 60 70 years ago and what you just thought was taught to you was any where near Christ like—- you was just deceived like millions more.

Now strictly for your benefit I did a little study today in a book [NOT COMIC BOOK] and you like many more of that JEWISH PERSUASION real or just kinda like.  Real practicing the faith or just wearing a $5,000 Star of David around your necks you simply do not know a thing about what the Jewish Rabbis or Sages wrote—- called the Talmud.  Lots to read but who cares, better to read than to talk all the time.  Now there is a condensed version that I have had for over twenty five years read it often since I don’t watch the VIEWS any longer—- and I will pass that along to you—- so you can find out a little about your lacks in knowledge if care too climb back on that ladder called study.

Everyman’s Talmud by A. Cohen 1887——ISBN 0-8052-0497-0 now you get that book and you will find the real not the surreal you have been—-  I guess taught or water boarded you to believe in.

So not much more from me except get busy in study and less in talking or writing.

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If you want people to be able to read others opinions, please stop encouraging DWIGHT…

foggy jones—Yeah. I “kindve hate “christians” alot!! I was raised one, and I didnt used to hate them. I think it has something to do with not being able to , even watch Congres on tv or an inaugeration , in the uS without a fricking PRAYER! If christians are hated, they did it to themselves.

There are christian websites. That is where people should preach.

Ref: Inherit the Wind (scopes monkey trial, eh? well that is all about the book meant to demonstrate christian rednecks did not read about darwin etc. hate christians very much?)

I often attempt to tease out some meaning in your posts, like understanding your chosen screen name, because your sentences are so vague and suggest so much hate. It is usually all about how you were raised. As the twig is bent, so grows the tree. Have a good day.

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DB
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Nah…

SATURDAY 1141 PM/CST DFW/USA

There is so much chatter about the role of Zionists that is connect with Israel and US politics that I have read up on the issue.

Just finished a great read on the subject entitled “The Returns of Zionism.”

http://www.versobooks.com/books/nopqrs/nopq-titles/pit erberg_g_returns_of_zionism.shtml

Inherit The Wind, May 9 at 10:18 pm

If you know so much—why then does your comments not make much sense? For me and I am sure others too? And if reading names that need to be known by all makes no sense to you, why do you complain, could it be that you are just one more sin sick fool going around to make life miserable for everyone?

Do you believe that those who read your leveling crap of others have more respect for your work?

Will you think long and hard on those things?

DB

5 huge long, boring, pointless posts by D-B—another thread killer.

D-B, communication is two ways, not a series of interminably long rants on subjects on which you usually know very little, but assume so much.

The same read but with good glaring pictures from the past that sets the stage for most that do not know.

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SATURDAY   159 PM/CST DFW

Welcome back with another excellent post.

In addition to making the most people possible aware of about the “fire” smoldering fire that can suddenly soar by the passage of enabling laws, we must not underestimate the power of propaganda and supression of truth by the mainstream “news” media oligarchy. Believe me or not, I have been privy to inner workings of this industry. I do not know it all, but enough to sincerely believe that this wretched influence remains, larely, ignored.

“When the finger points to the moon, the fool stares at the finger.”

“Why did the German people not act? Introduction

By Dwight Baker
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May 9, 2009
The End of the Middle Class as We Know It Marie Cocco wrote———This is how it ends. Or at least, this is how the latest, sad chapter in a story that has been ending for three decades is written. 
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090429_the_end_of_the_middle_class_as_we_know_it/
Could those words be taken to be our epitaph? Do those words bring about more fear and anxiety?
When a con is being run confusion, Illusion and delusion inhabit that line of discourse.  IE: the word Charity is used to deceive as is Foundation and so it goes—-in the end if one studies it is the names of people that control organizations that completes and brings all matters of importance and relevance to the forefront. If one continues to study out the names back in generational history more proof will be recognized comprising the truth.

Now amid all the smoke that has been put in the air for us to be confused——way in the back a giant fire is ragging.  And in that fire are laws to be passed by our Congress that will mimic the very ones used by Hitler.  Then we must ask—- why do we not look for the fire and get lost in the smoke?  I believe it is because many are easily led. From each expansive order of the day there is a core—- and from that core run off from it many tangents.  And if the core is rotten in deceit then many of those tangents are going to look OK but in the end they serve the purpose of perfecting the rottenness of the core.  And who of us will not admit that deception has been the plan for a long time in Americas Political history?  Now who wrote that long-term plan and who picks the players to implement such?  Study is required—-not chit chat—or slamming one another in idle senseless un-needed rhetoric but when finished with study and the facts in truth are known then if sane actions must become the order of the day to protect our solvency and sovereignty.

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Our Constitution is the Law of the land we the people have many rights at this time.  We have the right to take over all functions of our Government amend laws discharge bad elected officials bring a halt to wars——we have the power to do all.  But we must take Lawful actions now to make those claims.  The international community is behind us doing that effort; they are waiting for us to take our democracy to another level so that they can imitate our actions.
Our use of truth filled Law is our only answer at this time.  We can try to call our Congressmen and women—-Senators—-send e-mails—-write letters—-have demonstrations—-publish books—-write thesis after thesis—-some might even want to defect—-who knows?  Many mice that are called men want to try to imagine another way that would make their path a little less in the open for their base senses are founded in fear.  Yet is not the ultimate test of manhood—- the ability to live not die—-to be free not bound to slavery——have rights of life in all acts of equity in our communities?  And would deny that those being led along by the tyrants today have been blinded and put in a stupor by all the smoke?
The challenge is made today again for all in the smoke of the con being run filled with confusion, Illusion and delusion to upset sanity come away from those false precepts being preached and return to study, not talk, but study, then ask each other relevant questions of what is the proper course of action for all to be saved.

The good news is that You are needed——let us all get involved in taking our Country back while we still have a Constitution that empowers us to do so.
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When we seize or legal power this can become law
The Council on Foreign Relations—-neo-cons—tri-lateral-commission Bilderbergs are to be exposed—- expunged—- indicted—- tried—- fined up to the accumulation of all their wealth—-imprisoned—-or executed when proven guilty while being tried before the bar of Justice before un-biased international judges in international courts of law—- that will be our option.

NOW FOR THE BAD NEWS   Saturday, May 09, 2009
Congress will soon be asked to renew the Patriot Act with the inclusion of further restrictions on our liberty, restrictions that were originally to be introduced as Patriot Act II.

“Why did the German people not act?

Patriot Act vs., German Enabling Act:

The Decrees of 1933

(a) The February 28 Decree. One of the most repressive acts of the new Nazi government, this one allowed for the suspension of civil liberties…. The president was persuaded that the state was in danger and, hence, that the emergency measures embodied in the decree were necessary. Even though under Art. 48 of the constitution, the decree would have been withdrawn once the so-called emergency had passed; any hope of this happening was prevented by the establishment of Hitler’s dictatorship following the Enabling Act (see
below). It was in fact never withdrawn and remained until the end as an instrument of Nazi terror against ordinary citizens who ran foul of the regime.

ARTICLE 1. In virtue of paragraph 2, article 48, * of the German Constitution, the following is decreed as a defensive measure against communist acts of violence, endangering the state:

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Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty [114], on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press [118], on the right of assembly and the right of association [124], and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications [117], and warrants for house-searches [115], orders for confiscation as well as restrictions on property [153], are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

*Article 48 of the German Constitution of August 11, 1919: If public safety and order in Germany are materially disturbed or endangered, the President may take the necessary measures to restore public safety and order, and, if necessary, to intervene with the help of the armed forces. To this end he may temporarily suspend, in whole or in part, the fundamental rights
established in Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 ...........Patriot Act:

3. Section 218, which amend the “probable cause” requirement before conducting secret searches or surveillance to obtain evidence of a crime;

4. Sections 215, 218, 358, and 508 which permit law enforcement authorities to have broad access to sensitive mental health, library, business, financial, and educational records despite the existence of previously adopted state and federal laws which were intended to strengthen the protection of these types of records;

5. Sections 411 and 412 which give the Secretary of State broad powers to designate domestic groups as “terrorist organizations” and the Attorney General power to subject immigrants to indefinite detention or deportation even if no crime has been committed; and

6. Sections 507 and 508, which impose a mandate on state, and local public universities who must collect information on students that may be of interest to the Attorney General.

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/05-26-05/05-26-05.htm
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=3124.0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations#External_links
Study this group they are the real enemies and they are here deceiving everyday pretending to be one of us.  While we remain at this time to succumb and become their victims.

Council on Foreign Relations

Board of Directors

Carla A. Hills
Co-Chairman; Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Hills & Company

Robert E. Rubin
Director and Senior Counselor, Citigroup, Inc.
Richard E. Salomon
Vice Chairman; Managing Partner, East End Advisors, LLC

Richard N. Haass
President, Council on Foreign Relations
Peter Ackerman
Managing Director, Rockport Capital, Inc.
Fouad Ajami
M. Khadduri Prof. of Middle Eastern Studies, Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University
Madeleine K. Albright
Principal, The Albright Group LLC

Charlene Barshefsky
Senior International Partner, Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr LLP

Henry S. Bienen
President, Northwestern University

Alan S. Blinder
Gordon S. Rentschler Memorial Professor of Economics and Public Affairs, Princeton University

Stephen W. Bosworth
Dean, The Fletcher School, Tufts University
 
Tom Brokaw
NBC News
Sylvia Mathews Burwell
President, Global Development Program, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

Frank J. Caufield
Co-Founder, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers
Kenneth M. Duberstein
Chairman and CEO, The Duberstein Group, Inc.
Richard N. Foster
Managing Partner, Millbrook Management Group LLC

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Stephen Friedman
Chairman, Stone Point Capital
Ann M. Fudge

Maurice R. Greenberg
Chairman & CEO, C.V. Starr & Co., Inc.
J. Tomilson Hill
Vice Chairman, The Blackstone Group
Richard C. Holbrooke
Vice Chairman, Perseus LLC
Alberto Ibargüen
President & Chief Executive Officer, John S. and James L. Knight Foundation
Shirley Ann Jackson
President, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

Henry R. Kravis
Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
Jami Miscik
Managing Director, Global Head of Sovereign Risk, Lehman Brothers
Joseph S. Nye, Jr.
Distinguished Service Professor, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University
Ronald L. Olson
Senior Partner, Munger Tolles and Olson LLP
 
James W. Owens
Chairman & CEO, Caterpillar Inc.
 
Colin L. Powell
United States Army (Ret.)
David M. Rubenstein
Co-Founder and Managing Director, The Carlyle Group
George E. Rupp
President and CEO, International Rescue Committee

Anne-Marie Slaughter
Dean, Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, Princeton University
Joan E. Spero
President, Doris Duke Charitable Foundation

Vin Weber
CEO and Managing Partner, Clark & Weinstock
Christine Todd Whitman
President, The Whitman Strategy Group

Fareed Zakaria
Editor, Newsweek International

Officers and Directors Emeriti:

Leslie H. Gelb (President Emeritus)
Maurice R. Greenberg (Honorary Vice Chairman)
Charles McC. Mathias, Jr. (Director Emeritus)
Peter G. Peterson (Chairman Emeritus)
David Rockefeller (Honorary Chairman)
Robert A. Scalapino (Director Emer

International Advisory Board

Peter G. Peterson, Chairman, International Advisory Board
Chairman Emeritus, Council on Foreign Relations;
Senior Chairman and Co-Founder, The Blackstone Group

Syed Babar Ali
(Pakistan) Chairman, Interbank; Advisor, Packages Limited; Former Minister of Finance, Economic Affairs and Planning, Pakistan

Khalid A. Alturki
(Saudi Arabia), Chairman, Trading and Development Company (TRADCO)

Mukesh D. Ambani
(India), Chairman and Managing Director, Reliance Industries Ltd.

Ahmad E. Bishara
(Kuwait), Secretary-General, National Democratic Movement

Mark C. Chona
(Zambia), Chairman and CEO, Sumika Consultancy and Management Services Ltd.; former Political Adviser to the President of Zambia

Gustavo A. Cisneros
(Venezuela), Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Cisneros Group of Companies

Gerhard Cromme
(Germany) Chairman, Supervisory Board, ThyssenKrupp AG

Abdel Raouf El Reedy
(Egypt) Chairman, Egyptian Council on Foreign Affairs

Jacob A. Frenkel
(Israel), Vice Chairman, American International Group; former Governor, Bank of Israel

Mikhail Fridman
(Russia), Chairman, Alfa Bank

Toyoo Gyohten
(Japan), President, Institute for International Monetary Affairs; former Vice Minister of Finance, Japan

Baba Gana Kingibe
(Nigeria), AU Special Representative in the Sudan; former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Nigeria

Yotaro Kobayashi
(Japan), Chief Corporate Adviser, Fuji Xerox Company, Ltd.

Rahmi M. Koç
(Turkey), Honorary Chairman, Koç Holdings A.S.

Luiz Felipe Lampreia
(Brazil), Vice Chairman of the Board of Trustees, Centro Brasileiro de Relações Internacionais; former Foreign Minister of Brazil

Maurice Lévy
(France), Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, Publicis Groupe

Brian Mulroney
(Canada), former Prime Minister of Canada; Senior Partner, Ogilvy Renault

Sari Nusseibeh
(Palestinian Authority), President, Al Quds University

Sadako Ogata
(Japan), President, Japan International Cooperation Agency; former U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees

Lubna S. Olayan
(Saudi Arabia), Chief Executive Officer, Olayan Financing Company

Ana Palacio
(Spain), Senior Vice President, International Affairs and Marketing, AREVA

Surin Pitsuwan
(Thailand), Secretary-General, Association of Southeast Asian Nations; former Foreign Minister of Thailand

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Prannoy Roy
(India), President, New Delhi Television Ltd.

Zalman Shoval
(Israel), Head, Foreign Policy Bureau, Likud Party; former Israeli Ambassador to the United States

Khehla Shubane
(South Africa), Director, RMB Holdings

Washington SyCip
(Philippines), Chairman and Founder, SGV Group; Chairman, Asian Institute of Management

Horst M. Teltschik
(Germany), Chairman, Teltschik Associates GmbH

Jacob Wallenberg
(Sweden), Chairman of the Board, Investor AB

Jusuf Wanandi
(Indonesia) Senior Fellow, Centre for Strategic and International Studies (Jakarta)

Shirley V. T. Brittain Williams
(United Kingdom), Member, House of Lords

Yuan Ming
(China), Director, Institute for International Relations, Beijing University

Ernesto Zedillo Ponce de León
(Mexico), former President of Mexico; Director, Center for the Study of Globalization, Yale University

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations#Corporate_Members
Corporate members

  * ABC News
  * Alcoa
  * American Express
  * AIG
  * Bank of America
  * Bloomberg L.P.
  * Boeing
  * BP
  * CA, Inc.
  * Chevron
  * Citigroup
  * Coca-Cola
  * De Beers
  * Deutsche Bank
  * Duke Energy
  * DVS Group
  * ExxonMobil
  * FedEx
  * Ford Motor
  * General Electric
  * GlaxoSmithKline
  * Google
    * Halliburton
  * Heinz
  * Hess
  * IBM
  * JPMorgan Chase
  * Kohlberg Kravis Roberts
  * Lockheed Martin
  * MasterCard
  * McGraw-Hill
  * McKinsey
  * Merck
  * Merrill Lynch
  * Morgan Stanley
  * Motorola
  * NASDAQ
  * News Corp
  * Nike
  * PepsiCo
  * Pfizer
    * Shell Oil
  * Sony Corporation of America
  * Tata Group
  * Time Warner
  * Total S.A.
  * Toyota Motor North America
  * UBS
  * United Technologies
  * United States Chamber of Commerce
  * U.S. Trust Corporation
  * Verizon
  * Visa[32]

Notable historical members

  * Graham Allison
  * Robert Orville Anderson
  * Les Aspin
  * J. Bowyer Bell[35]
  * W. Michael Blumenthal
  * Harold Brown
  * Zbigniew Brzezinski
  * William P. Bundy
  * George H. W. Bush
  * Dick Cheney
  * William S. Cohen
  * Warren Christopher
  * E. Gerald Corrigan
  * William J. Crowe
  * Kenneth W. Dam
  * John W. Davis
  * Norman Davis
  * C. Douglas Dillon
  * Thomas R. Donahue
  * Lewis W. Douglas
  * Elizabeth Drew
  * Peggy Dulany
  * Allen Welsh Dulles
  * Dianne Feinstein
  * Tom Foley
  * Leslie H. Gelb
  * David Gergen
  * Louis V. Gerstner, Jr.
  * Maurice R. Greenberg
  * Alan Greenspan
  * Chuck Hagel
  * Najeeb E. Halaby
  * W. Averell Harriman
  * Theodore M. Hesburgh
  * Carla A. Hills
  * Stanley Hoffmann
  * Richard Holbrooke
  * James R. Houghton
  * Charlayne Hunter-Gault
  * Bobby Ray Inman
  * Otto H. Kahn
  * Nicholas Katzenbach
  * Lane Kirkland
  * Jeane Kirkpatrick
  * Roger T. Moritz
  * Walter Lippmann
  * Winston Lord
  * Charles Mathias, Jr.
  * John McCain
  * John J. McCloy
  * William J. McDonough
  * Donald F. McHenry
  * George J. Mitchell
  * Bill Moyers
  * Peter George Peterson
  * Frank Polk
  * John S. Reed
  * Elliot L. Richardson
  * Alice M. Rivlin
  * David Rockefeller
  * Jay Rockefeller
  * Robert Roosa
  * Elihu Root
  * William D. Ruckelshaus
  * Brent Scowcroft
  * Donna E. Shalala
  * George P. Shultz
  * Theodore Sorensen
  * George Soros
  * Adlai E. Stevenson
  * Strobe Talbott
  * Peter Tarnoff
  * Fred Thompson
  * Garrick Utley
  * Cyrus Vance
  * Paul Volcker
  * Paul M. Warburg
  * Paul Warnke
  * Clifton R. Wharton, Jr.
  * Owen D. Young
  * Robert Zoellick

Source: The Council on Foreign Relations from 1921 to 1996:Historical Roster of Directors and Officers[36]

Inherit—You’ve GOTTA have a twisted sense of humor to deal with this.

TUESDAY   631 PM/CST DFW

What about President Obama’s “economic cure?”

Well, the most glaring fly in the oinment is the past and present financial advisers, like Gaithner, Summers, Blankfein, Rubin, Bernake, Greenspan, Greenberg, Silverstein, and legacy of Milton Friedman, to name a few. Between The Fed, WMF, and Goldman Sachs, it tends to suggest an honest community organizer should seek counsel with his old pastor, Rev. Wright. Yes, time to do the right thing.

After six months, the bailout program is still kept secret from the public, not to mention the ilk of the replacements as each financial institution is re-staffed by your associates. It seems this crucial matter is being completely delegated to one very scary special interest group.

Say it ain’t so Barry?

The End of the Middle Class as We Know It Might be for Some but not Me. intro

Monday, May 5, 2009
To the Honorable President Barack Obama
Of the Untied States of America
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
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OPEN LETTER—- To whom it must concern

Mr. President,

I am but one voice in America today that has your interest at heart.  But your personal well doing and interest does not out weigh the American people. My words are fashioned best as I can. So what I propose or say is never meant to bring any one or any thing into being called intent to deride or chide for no purpose.

Thanks for all the good work you are doing, and in keeping with your status as our President.  We have prayed that you would not back down or cower to anyone and seems that you are doing that to some degree.

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You must in our opinion stand head and shoulders over all others in insisting that the Rule of Law found in our Constitution is not bartered off in some seesaw yaw of the law debate that rules out our rights to life found in it.
With you as our solicitous vanguard we do have HOPE once more. In you taking the lead with your strong and strident voice and will in words and deeds to overcome all the many things, people and matters facing our solvency and sovereignty in our rich and abundant America.

But to that end seems you have been overcome by some outside forces forcing your hand on serious matters that affect all of us.

One of the most vocal matters that is discussed daily in the televised media and printed News has been –—- when and where is the real CHANGE going to come from as promised. 

Many good a moral folks and I too have been your devoted staunch and strong allies for each step you have taken. And seems now a new chilly wind from a bad direction has begun to blow.  In my perception that is because many of your very close cabinet appointees and confidants have a proven track record that is not very good and that comes from their affiliations with groups and societies that have un-sound and un-reasonable long-term goals that have severe lacks of care and concern for our rights to life in our Rich and Abundant America that we have clung to in our communities and Constitution.

The world is watching us—- during the GW Bush years we proved to the world that we would cower down to tyranny.  And that is a sober fact that you must reconcile to believe today.  For it is a fact “When a society will not rule itself the tyrants come ruining.” And that could be the reason that the hard push has been against you at this time to let the Bilderbergs come into our country to finally take over.  For your staff appointments prove that point.  The Bilderbergs have a long history of destroying people for profit.

Mr. President we elected you to set the stage for change and with those listed on your staff now—- how can you do that?

Obviously you have your work cut out for you to reform our government to integrity… and genuinely caring and working with the highest good of all in mind. You have a tall task you have taken on and we salute you and back you anyway we can.

YOU MUST: to insure your length of your Presidency and insure our safety increase the size of the Justice department five fold now.

YOU MUST: retreat and put in order what you will not compromise on. If not you and we will be labeled as an enabler of the BEAST that is out to cheat, lie, steal and kill our great and abundant America, and if anyone knows that better than you—tell me who?

YOU MUST CLEAN HOUSE NOW YOUR CABINET IS CORRUPT AND THAT MAKES YOU CORRUPT TOO: start with the following then keep working toward getting rid of the 5 to 7 thousand of the BUSH BUNCH that are hanger on out to beset our agendas for doing right not wrong.

YOU MUST FORGET ABOUT YOUR STAR STATUS for it is naught compared to the consequences that lays around the bend if all is falls apart and planed by the BILDERBERGERS AND NEO-CONS you wanted the people in America to vote for you to replace.

YOU MUST CAPTURE THE THOUGHT THEN HAVE THE WILL TO IMPLEMENT that a man is judged by his words first then his deeds that follow.

Their connectivity to others around the world that have a different strategy about the way we should go——I think it is NOT as a sovereign solvent nation with our own self interest at the core thus you must oppose.

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If their plans are implemented that will simply lead us to change not but for more of the same.  And to bypass that end game some things that you could do in the way things go for us——- would be:

Richard N. Haass (1991, 2003, 2004[11]), president, Council on Foreign Relations
Christian Herter[12] (1961, 1963, 1964, 1966), former Secretary of State
Sam Nunn (1996, 1997[4]), former US Senator
Kathleen Sebelius[15], Kansas governor and nominee for the the Health and Human Services secretary post
Timothy Geithner[16], Treasury Secretary
Lawrence Summers[17], Director of the National Economic Council
Paul Volcker[18], Chair of the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board

1.  The best measure as our President Commander and Chief to do now so that you would have many more ideas put on the table to think about would be——To hold one if not more Strategic Planning and Development Stimulus Summits—- with or without any of your staff and cabinet members or close confidants in the loop now——then arrange for many other good Americans that are noteworthy with credentials in scholarship and proven track records in name honor and recognition to attend and allow them to have your ear for at least three consecutive days that you might hear many others opinions and suggestion why and how to move forward then that might bring another perspective of what needs to be done now.

2.  Each passing day in America is filled with insidious, hideous and tenuous stuff as was the days when the BUSH BUNCH GANG was in power doing their THANGS.  And because of that—- things must change now you know that wholeheartedly, so please don’t wait——to make the Strategic Planning and Development Stimulus Summit one of the matters most important on your agenda.

3.  Now my suspicions are like many—- if a Strategic Planning and Development Stimulus Summit or one of like kind——- is not done soon by you——then your men might with their faulted and failed plans prevail.

The Bilderberg Group agendas are very clear they are out to protect the accumulation of wealth held by the old line and some new Barons [or benefactors of the spoils of war] to do what is best for them in exclusionary measures no matter what is best for the people affected. Because in their grand scheme of doing things all their goals are about exclusion for all reasons and making capital out of us or slaves better said.

One thing for sure all of us agree you have guts to want the job of being our President to lead us out of the espionage and sabotage done by some corrupting our Nation that has been going on for a long time.  And one thing you can count on us for doing——is watching your back day and night, best as we can. 

What ever you need us to do just tell us.  Give us BIG JOBS to do——there is a lot of folks that will work for free to help us get back on our feet——WHY—- They like me love this our home America——- think about holding a SUMMIT with the many others that have a good heartbeat from the grass roots of the American folks right now.

As in all good things——change comes little by little and we should not rush any longer to put out fires that might be needed to burn down the old failed ways of doing business as usual——- that has us in the fix we are in.

Best regards

Mr. President Help us Help you.

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DWIGHTBAKER, May 5 at 1:42 pm #

DB
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More like a really twisted one!

foggyjones—I said that I was giving OPINIONS.That is what yours, and DB’s posts are, also.

It is just NOT personal to you. You seem to wish to make it so.

TUESDAY   121 PM/CST   DFW

REF: KDELPHI/foggyjones—You have an intense problem with taking things personlly, everytime someone disagrees with you, as in “can you really handle the truth” or “have a nice life”. I am simply voicing opinions.

How can it be otherwise? Isn’t that why this thread continues. I have yet to read the final, ultimate convincing and undenialabe truth. If it is different for you, please do not hesitate to pass it on to me and the rest of humanity. This is no time to hide your insight and knowledge under a bushel basket. Reach out to us and share the light, be it one small candle, a guiding star or comforting warmth of a brilliant sun, rising from the horizon.

By KDelphi, May 5 at 1:17 pm

At one time I bought the set of books http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/history/About.htm first volume was good, in fact that was the only one. I read and re-read it several times then one day when low of funds had to have a garage sale and off the set of books went.  WHY—-when it got to the HOLY ROMAN CHURCH FATHERS trying to use law many times to state their weird non Hebrew cases while mixing in the Greek stoics of MY TAKE ill logic off they went in a blaze of glory for more than they cost me. But I was already grounded to the CORE so I knew what was and what was not real in their seemed revelations.

YOUR WORDS
I have told you that I studied catechism   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechism.  It is not interesting to me anymore. Neither is the “forest for the tress” stuff. You may look at a forest and see god. That is your right. I see the logging industry, and feel that I must save the tress rather than waiting for god to do it.

Now for MY TAKE on that GOD has always got somebody looking in.

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Inherit The Wind, May 5 at 1:23 pm

HEY YOU GOT A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR TOOOOOOOOO!

DB

some have even thought of robbing graves, now that is depravity about as bad as it gets.
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“Good thing we’re not grave-robbers!”—Indiana Jones in “Crystal Skull”.

Just think of it as….current archeology!

foggyjones—You have an intense problem with taking things personlly, everytime someone disagrees with you, as in “can you really handle the truth” or “have a nice life”. I am simply voicing opinions.

“Can you really handle the truth? It is available to you but one can only hand you the key and show you the door into truth, you must make the effort to enter. The invention of Christianity is clearly a Jewish invention. One only needs to study the details of Paul and nothing could be more obvious. ...”

I have told you that I studied catechism. It is not interesting to me anymore. Neither is the “forest for the tress” stuff. YOu may look at a forest and see god. That is your right. I see the logging industry, and feel that I must save the tress rather than waiting for god to do it..

MIDDLE CLASS? I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THAT

Has there ever been a middle class, I think not.  Look at those folks today and there claims to fame have all been shattered. The gambled with the BIG BOYS and found out too late that the cards were marked.  Now they sit in their lifeless mansions with overheads that must be met or out the front they will go packing.  Angry and discontent with all around kicking the dogs and cats that can’t kick back, cheating the cab drivers, some have even thought of robbing graves, now that is depravity about as bad as it gets.

Back behind dark forbidding closed doors are those many that walk and talk of doing all of us in.  So forget about middle class or any one below of being a billionaire or better or a military man that will take any body out from just one command of the moneyed folks.  For in our Great American society of today many have been lulled to sleep thinking they could get a piece of the American Pie if they followed the lead of the need for greed Perverts. But those many have found out that they have been robbed too.  So nothing for them their family friends and kin nothing for their posterity all is doom and gloom made to happen as planned by the need for greed Perverts.  But folks don’t despair for they are FEW and we are MANY.

WHO ARE THOSE THAT CARE TO
BELONG
TO THE GREATER WORLD COMMUNITY?

Goodness emanates from those humans that have a purpose driven life doing and caring for others, as they would have done unto them. And those folks can be seen working in our fields of harvest off shore working in oil and gas, in scientific laboratories or those gazing out at the stars.  They are everywhere.  When you met one they say hello how are you?  Some touch the brim of their hat and say have a good day.  They will move out of the way and let an elder pass by first to get in a cafeteria line, or stop and get a ball in the street for the boy next door.

They seem to have no wasted time but spend there days and nights working on ideas on how to bring a reprieve for all from the clutches of the warmongers and haters of mankind.  They like to watch football games in rain, they go out of their way to make a way for all to live with the rights to life in all ways of equity found in justice.  Many of the mindset protects the innocence when charged with heinous crimes. They are quick to hear and slow to speak judging each word as to their truth as known.

Their eyes dance with the romance of life—no greater notion of life is needed.  Satiation of life is found in simple pleasures and doing for others brings for most exhilaration and not needed adulations.  Most give with their eyes closed to the amount and never expect to get it back, that the act was just a pay back for having a life full enough to help another.

They question everything that the power bosses do what they say and the deeds done by them, blind trust is a far cry from who they are and what they do.  They are the group where innovation comes from genius lives in them just looking for ways to make this life better for all.

Now at the end of any given day those folks will be found in every nation speaking many different languages, dressing in many different ways but in their mind, spirit or heart the same life force propels all to—revere life - trust and fear the creator -and treat kindly all alike other humans.

JUDGE CLOSELY WHAT CROWD YOU CLING TOO.

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MONDAY   614 PM/CST   DFW

Hello, Delphi

Can you really handle the truth? It is available to you but one can only hand you the key and show you the door into truth, you must make the effort to enter. The invention of Christianity is clearly a Jewish invention. One only needs to study the details of Paul and nothing could be more obvious. It is easy to understand, not like quantum mechanics or “string theory,” but learning the detailed history is huge and it takes time to absorb. First, you study the trees and, eventually, you come to understand the forest and how it came to be.

People once insisted on their storytellers and mythmakers in ancient times. Long ago the ordinary people were true believers knew every detail and each tribe had their favorite brand.

Now Paul was an especially clever, sly and successful mythmaker. Who needs crack and liquor when you can be persuaded to so deeply believe in a myth that you will commit suicide to prove it?

ITW—How lame.

I just listened to Pres. Peres on c-cpan. How lame.

As for “radical groups” please continue to count christianity as one of the most virulent..

MONDAY   424 PM/CST DFW

ref: dwightbaker

Others interested in maintaining and improving the USA should heed the words of DwightBaker. Others will choose to twist his message. Some of these “others” have opposing values and simply do not recognize the USA or any other nation, except Israel. Plain and simple. These “others” with their own unique system of situational morality and ethics give lipservice to traditional American value, but they lie. God has nothing to do with it, their objective to enrich themselves and concentrate power through wealth is blatantly apparent. They were the emporer’s clothes and deceive only themselves.

Many zealot-like movements have come and gone over the centuries of recorded history. They sometimes leave behind artifacts of their passing “Greatness” so well expressed in the poem “Ozamandius.”

Those who rob us, usurp our constitutional rights and scoff at the millions of naive and trusting souls who have always relied on good government will long endure such treatment. You can bank on it.

KDelphi, May 4 at 1:22 pm #

ITW—Please explain to me why you think that “this system” (capitalism or republic or what?) will work.Without starting a major world war…
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Since you never bother to read my posts, and have admitted as much, I leave you to figure it out on your own.

Just remember this: Socialism has NEVER worked. 

Einstein said that to keep trying the same thing and expecting a different result is the mark of insanity.

Yet “TC” want to go do to the US and the world what keeps failing.

truedigger3, May 4 at 12:36 pm #

Obama worshiper
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Since you are a hard-core member of “The Contingent” it’s nice to see you FINALLY get something right.

You want easy, simple answers that fit on to a bumper sticker or a 30 second sound byte.

It doesn’t work that way.  The personal, economic decisions of 300 million Americans, from poverty level to unimaginably rich, are far too complex individually and in their interactions to be neat and clean.

I see I’m starting to get the use flap and insults from “TC”. 

Our economic breakdown has NOTHING to do with Israel or “Zionism”.  NOTHING.  It may be redundant to say this but anyone who thinks it does should join a racist party because that’s what they are.

MONDAY   352 P M/CST DFW

REF: DWIGHTBAKER PERMISSION

That you very much DB, you just keep hauling in the ammo and others will send it on to those need some education and attitude adjustments.

Keeping the faith, foggy

Inherit, actually I think you and cyrena have a firmer grip on the economic nuts and bolts than I do. You’re like my husband (who explain things the same way). I understand the explanations but wouldn’t be able to formulate them as concisely as you have. My biggest obstacle: my visceral reaction when I read about banker cushions at the same time I see the hardship all around us, cutbacks on Medicaid meaning that many people reliant on it are not getting needed treatments, families homeless for the first time in their hard-working lives, etc.

KDelphi, May 4 at 1:22 pm

LET ME TAKE THAT ONE——-WHY——-We the American People have a lot of friend’s worldwide.  We have made a lot of good tracks around this earth.  Now we have our RULE OF LAW in the CONSTITUTION NOW. So all we have to do is stand on that rock solid ground then take the taskmasters to task.

Dwight Baker
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foggyjones, May 3 at 12:12 pm

Yes you have permission to re-post I am humbled by the request.  What is needed today is not star power but just common folks like me speaking up and out. So yes what ever you can do for the cause go ahead with my blessings.

Now I discovered the other day if I googled .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) much if not all of the work that has been posted will come up so then you can copy and paste what you like.

Constitutional empowered Patriots in action what more do we need?

ITW—Please explain to me why you think that “this system” (capitalism or republic or what?) will work.Without starting a major world war…

Inherit The Wind wrote:
“With the possibility of Sepharad, nobody here but Cyrena has an inkling or a clue what is going on.”
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ITW,

So, ONLY sepharad who is an ardent zionist like you
and cryena who is an Obama worshipper have a clue
of what is going on.
OOOKKAAY, that saves me some time. why bother
responding to you, Oh wise one.!!!! Bye.!!!

Obama worshiper

Inherit The Wind, May 4 at 10:17 am

I wrote that piece Dec 08—-I have that in my work.  I posted that again today on Truthdig because it was an important issue for the Forum towards discussion.

But you being a TROLL on TruthDig want to incite others to follow your lead to be unkind, trying to be cute and clever while doing nothing at all towards any effort to bring about change for all of us.

Mr. Douglas was a slave and was despised by many—-His words ring true and clear for us today as when he uttered them long ago.

Now if my post offended you why don’t you just scroll on by them and then at the end of the day let the chips fall where they will.

DWIGHTBAKER, May 4 at 9:30 am #

The vile open festering wound…
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You wrote this 4 months ago and think it’s so brilliant that you take 3 full posts to show it off?  Are you SERIOUS, DB?

Why don’t you just post a link to it?  Or do you realize that NOBODY is going to click on your link?

That’s because nobody’s interested in reading this pedantry.

Why don’t you begin the post with “I need to quote the smartest person I know, and that’s myself, DwightBaker.” ?  I mean, talk about EGO!

WHAT IS RIGHT IS RIGHT AND SHOULD STAY THE SAME
WHAT IS WRONG DOES NOT BELONG IN OUR
CITIES, STATES AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT intro
By Dwight Baker
December 25, 2008

The vile open festering wound——the nastiest of all societal objectionable wretchedness———- that stinks in the nostrils of our GOD——- is prevalent in our American culture today. And that is seen and heard in all forms from the many that seek and tend to create all evil avenues in the pursuit of the NEED for GREED.  Thus that lack of respect for each other’s rights to life has become a target for many to lay in wait with prospects to subvert and steal any way from others what they can.

With little to no consequences for their sweeping shameful and illegal deeds done.  In doing they can claim for their own personal gain.  And that has been seen in the many enterprises from the smallest to the biggest of beast in around and about in America today. Thus many seeking to fulfill the actions for the NEED for GREED have become a staple in our economy as many just looked away and said nothing.  And because of that tone and tenor and the lack of the enforcements of the RULES of law those things have become paramount. And in so doing the overt and total lack of respect and obedience for all manners of LAW has been the launching pad for many white-collar criminals and some lesser crooks.  Thus that has been the core of the present rebellion tearing our nation apart. And is against the basic law of a good and godly conscience. To that end——- if the OBVIOUS NEED for GREED is not soon stopped we will have proved to our fellow man and history that as a once great and sanguine society we have not the will to rule ourselves any longer.

Thus at our doorsteps today——pleads the voices of wisdom and intellect saying, ARISE AND SHINE. Sweep out the criminals and get started again rebuilding our nation.  Ruler ship over the masses around the world today has not proven to dispel the beast of mankind from seeking personal gains while in administration of government functions for the people.  Therefore people here and around the world are looking to us to have a plan that works for the betterment of not only us here but them also.  The void I see in our civility is that many of the bright ones who have proved their worth in academics and governmental service have sold out their original ideas most with good and godly conscience intent to the mainstream BARONS of TRADE and COMMERCE or the governmental benefactors to extend their rule.

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And many of them have been recruited into think tanks to propel the agenda of the sponsors.  Much like those who have creativity today, who have the skills to originate patents. Many them prefer to work within the framework of academics or corporate America instead of as an individual to champ the idea to creation and then on into the markets.  Thus in them is not the idea of the rights for individuals in FREE ENTERPRISE or the spirit of entrepreneurship. And what remains lacking in them is the will of steel to push their ideas to the market for all to profit. 

In that context we see many that have originated Web sites today coming from academia or corporate America to re-create what they come from——but for them to have their own say and way and make a profit. And often those have grand ideas of becoming part and parcel to the News and Entertainment media to enhance their individual egos more fail miserably to preserver.  Thus their agenda becomes one of building large subscribers list to sell their exposure to the highest bidders. Then we must ask what have been their real motives?  Because now most of them plea for more money to come in because of budget short falls. 

And what have been seen in most of them is nothing more than a reverberation of grips and complaints but nothing much more.  No real call to action that would change a thing.  Therefore what are the consequences for those many Web sites today?  I think dim.

Because to read then post becomes a waste of time, most of us know what we want but at this time a forum is not present that has the power to take our pleas, demands, desires and wishes then represent them in an orderly fashion to the Administration and or CONGRESS with the power punch by the strongest lobby that could be bought. 

What we need at this time is a WE THE PEOPLES ADEVOCACY/LOBBY.  With the peoples VOICES to be heard and VOTING rights for all proposed legislation and input with the legal staff with their ideas as the legislation takes form in construction. 

We must in an effort hurriedly stop being as mundane morose morons and take on the right and just tasks of changing one vital missing step in our current democratic process by adding a true voice of WE THE PEOPLE in having and supporting our own lobby in Washington DC.

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Mr. Douglas did not find the Constitution to be much of a means for him to get along.  So he put down his ideas long ago worth reading today to see how far we have strayed.

FAMOUS QUOTES BY FREDRICK DOUGLAS 1818——- 1885

America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future.

At a time like this, a scorching iron, not convincing argument, is needed.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong, which will be imposed on them.

I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress.

It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men.

It is not light that we need, but fire; it is not the gentle shower, but thunder. We need the storm, the whirlwind, and the earthquake.

No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.

The life of a nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful, and virtuous.

The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose.

The thing worse than rebellion is the thing that causes rebellion.

To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker.

Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.

THE VOICES FOR WE THE PEOPLES ADVOCATES—-WTPA Dwight Baker Chairman for Grass Roots Actions needed to form our own lobby to power push or wants, needs, wishes for all acts in equity by actions of Justice.
PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077 E-mail .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

With the possibility of Sepharad, nobody here but Cyrena has an inkling or a clue what is going on.  It’s like primitive shamans trying to exorcise the demons of a bacterial infection with smoke, rattles and dance, when what the patient needs is an antibiotic.

Much is made of saving the banks but not the car makers.  Yeah, this gets under everyone’s skin, but it means they don’t know just how much more cataclysmic the failure of AIG will be to the nation than even the failure of GM.

It doesn’t mean I love AIG, or like it, or even think its practices were ethical.  I don’t.

Yes, it’s critically important to understand how this fire got started—and it wasn’t by accident.

Yet the old Viet Nam adage about being “up to your ass in alligators….” is just as true now.  The fire has to be put out, the ship gotten to a safe harbor before we can decide to fix the ship or junk it for a properly designed one.

The automakers in America have been making junk cars and ignoring the obvious since at least 1968.  They made NO allowance for the coming oil crisis that was obvious in the late 608’s and early 70’s.  Hell, the first Earth Day happened under Nixon BEFORE the Oil Embargo by OPEC and Detroit did…nothing.  When the gas lines started in 1973, Detroit did…nothing.

When the Pinto blew up with a faulty tank design did Ford acknowledge and fix its mistake? No. It fought tooth and nail against litigation and regulation.

GM spent its profits in the 70’s and 80’s on styling, not engineering.  I found the same stupid items like bad latches that were on my 81 Chevy were still on the 87 and 91 Chevrolets!  And we wonder why Detroit is in trouble?  It’s not a mystery, gang! They’ve been selling $#itty products for decades and NEVER addressed the question “why?”.

So have the banks. But fixing the banks is a lot easier.  Banking “products” are nothing—they can be gone tomorrow because they aren’t products at all.  Yeah. Throw out the bums at AIG, BofA, Chase, etc and re-regulate the crap out of them so they can’t pull this again.  That can be done in weeks and months.

But re-engineering Detroit to make cars that aren’t pieces of crap?  That takes YEARS!

So let’s not get so hung up on idiot ideas of revolution and socialism (which has failed SO many times I’m amazed anyone is still “for” it). We have to make our system WORK, because it can.

SUNDAY   717 PM/CST   DFW

REF: TRUEDIGGER3

Your lambasting DwightBaker will get you no points here. You should do the right thing and apolgize about your rants on religion and such. It is a pity that you are unable to see the big picture.

Knowledge is a function of time, wisdom is quite another matter. I hope you live long enough to learn the difference.

DwightBanker tells it like it is. You should study him more carefully and attempt to read between the lines. Things are not always what they seem with only a superficial, passing glace.

foggyjones,

DWIGHTBAKER is religious nut whose material mostly
are coppy and paste. Occasionally when he writes something himself, most of what he writes is disjointed gibberish.
All in all he sounds like a broken record, and
no offense, he is bonafide stupid asshole and a real pest.

Hey, why don’t we start pestering our “reps” in congress to ban Rudolph Murdoch from American media for 20 years as penalty for inciting criminal behavior, e.g. arbitrarily calling the election for the Bush Regime, Texas succession, Teabagging Parties…

of course the elite won’t touch this sacred cow because it’s even better—its milk is cash. The FCC is such a joke, a party favour pay-off for humdrum political hackery. Time for a smoke.

SUNDAY   454 PM/CST   DFW

REF: DWIGHTBAKER PULLS NO PUNCHES!

We cannot underestimate how powerfully the mainstream media deceive and distract the evaporating middle class. Instead of hard data they sensationalize and obfuscate. Just the opposite of what was most emphasized in schools of journalism. It goes back to many years of concentration the ownership of all media. Those like Time Warner with their CNN team seem to have Joseph Goebbel’s book on proganda. He was the great one, if that is what you admire.

Dwight said it best, “Amid all the rumblings distortions lying cheating convolutions in every matter can we trust what we hear from whom ever?  Seems not to me. The free press is a hoax first then a joke next.  They work for the MAIN MAN and they forget truth when reporting the VIEWS not news.”

We truly appreciate the work of Dwight and would be wise to pass it on to others. Again, the importance of controlling a nation’s mass media was recognized a long time ago. The present owners paid a fortune to seize absolute control. If you cannot grasp the significance of this huge investment, you don’t have a clue of what is ahead and why the banksters got away with The Crime of the Century.

Dwight, Not sure what you are getting at ... chickenhawks, intellectual Druids ... what makes you think that? Being against monarchs and oligarchs and preferring peace and prosperity for most doesn’t mean that people are not willing to fight for their beliefs, or, come to that, for their country whether in the military or in politics or for the Constitution at home. In my family we’ve done all of the above, some still doing it. (I don’t know much about Druids save that they were priests of some ort in pre-Roman Britain, left the rocks at Stonehenge for later peoples to puzzle over. Perhaps Druids were intellectuals for their time, perhaps not, but don’t get the connection.) Religion, in this country, is supposed to be separate from political
policy. When the two have been mixed, historically the results have not been good. Religious principles may be guides for laws and individual ethical codes, but go beyond that and you’re courting tyranny of the priests.

foggyjones—how much of DWIGHT’s postings have you read? For how long??

If you can cipher through all the religious blather, have at it. As I’ve said ,he makes some good points.(and then throws in things like “within your limited intelligence”—as a “christiaN”??) Most adults do not like to be preached to, except in church. ThaT is where religion belongs. We have a separation of church and state. They are many, I’m sure, “nice religious blogs”...

Harman, too. She is guilty of crimes against the state. I’m not saying that DWIGHT is. I already told him I have had catechism. If you want religion, go to such a site.

This is supposed to be a political site. The topic (although I often deviate from it) is the middle class…

WHO ARE THE GREATEST?

Amid all the rumblings distortions lying cheating convolutions in every matter can we trust what we hear from whom ever?  Seems not to me.

The free press is a hoax first then a joke next.  They work for the MAIN MAN and they forget truth when reporting the VIEWS not news.  Their jobs are to present the VIEWS with the talking points in hand to get more control of our minds——to be not vigilant and forget to be sane and sound minded and be like minded to GW BUSH just a puppet.

So our so-called free press is just a hoax of jokes——I mean all of them.  Our nation is on fire from the inside out and the arsonist is running loose with all our loot. Then instead of getting the real deal news of what is really going on we get an episode of NANCY GRACE oh GOD FORBID and listen to her chant the same old worn out message long dead. Or get to watch COPS IN ACTIONS to bring a scare to all just one more time, or listen to some moron talk about investments when he is a con man too. Or listen to LOU DOBBS read his script that some one else wrote. And the MSNBC despite what they proclaim they are on the take too. Or tune into CSPAN and listen to hogwash coming out of the mouths of sure enough liars that work for us——don’t think so when elected they really start doing their own thing.

So now back to the subject WHO ARE THE GREATEST?  Guys and Gals you are, first you work your work come home cook clean take care of the kids mend tend to homework take a shower try to clean out all the soreness from driving on the congested highways and byways to work then back again. 

Oops you say——got to get connected to like-minded folks to get to saving our great and abundant America on that—- great tool of today the Internet.  So here you set working away giving or taking information to get more knowledge——what you can do right now to benefit your family friends and kin and all others just because you are good and caring person you don’t mind a bit working over time for free while rescuing our nation. 

So you my friend——- reading this YOU ARE THE GREATEST.

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ref: kdelphi

Examples from The Bible provide good literary references to provide context and provide common understanding. References to the underpinnings of quantum mechanics will only confuse most people. Whether or not DWIGHTBAKER is actually a religious person is of little consequence to me. Now, when Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif) makes references to religion while sharing top secret documents or using her high office to protect secret agents, that is different. Always, only with good context can we gain true understanding and get at the truth.

foggyjones-I might be able to take DWIGHT, if he werent so damn judgemental and so passive aggressive

He will have a few good points, and, then, he throws in something like ‘you of “limited intelligence” aND a bunch of Bible quotes….

SUNDAY   1052 AM/CST DFW

DWIGHTBAKER IS CORRECT!

Not only correct, it gives some of us hanging on the lifeboats some hope that a few rational minds exist in a sea of babble, disinformaton and mainstream media propaganda. DWIGHTBAKER should be summoned to the Capitol to address the U.S. Congress and the White House to dispel the myths and obfuscation.

Too few citizens read the articulate, insightful of DWIGHTBAKER. I don’t know about the legal and ethical issues of reposting these jewels, but I believe it would be a very good thing if everyone reposted these important words everywhere.

I hate to admit that I cannot do better, but I can help desseminate these bits wisdom amongst millions of people who still have an open mind.

WHO CANNOT SEE THE NEEDS the KINGS CANNOT. 

While our USA government wants us to give more to the corporate culture for admitted lacks in good judgment or just acts of thievery, have not the pressing needs of charity continued to flood through the pulpits of America, charities and the published news and on the Webb too?

So what are we to do if we answer the call to all and give——go live in a tent and eat dog and cat food so that we will have money to spread around?

Thus have those that have been elected to work for us and do so with our interest at heart once again put us in a ghastly state of near poverty with beggarly lacks seen in hopes to flourish again? 

Then the next question I would ask of all——in the past Bush Administration and the Obama administration—- who made any of you Kings? 

Spending billions here and there as if that was your duty, how dare none of you care to give us a straight up accounting?  Saying and decrying again who made you Kings?

Wars not needed to be fought has our nation in a choke hold, money going out the front door in acts of robbery and it seems no body wants to and is unwilling to give us an actual and factual account.

Thus are we good and godly Americans just to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to those needing just a bite of food a day? 

All the while some in our Congress and Senate want to hob-knob , back rub with the fat cats and play political games, while we the American populous are chained to the drudgeries of life——all the while those named play around in DC town as if they were our Kings immune to answer to us for their conduct.

Thus what should be next, the order of the day, with so much at stake——- should a call go out for all to come to Washington DC——and put forth our petitions and pleas in unity?  And in so doing draw an international crowd to know first hand that our empowered leaders have become Kings instead of servants to We The People?

Sepharad, May 3 at 2:36 am

MY TAKE is that you and your group have stated your case best as you can outside in the real world here on TRUTHDIG despite your limited intelligence.  Have not your claims for riot revolt and rebellion against law and order become the mantra behind your movement? But have not each of your group identified themselves as CHICKEN HAWKS or intellectuals DRUIDS immune from taxes and calls to actions of war?

Therefore once again the TRUTH behind your groups and your actions in word only proves to many and me too that your motives are not pure and each of you should be called before the bar of Justice to answer for your illicit call for the lesser to go to war.

As a consequence the forums presented for discussions that should represent the many different cross sections of our Great Landscape of people in America that have humane needs to have a voice heard first then entrust others with their ideas——has been putrefied by the inane near insane ones that I call the one who POST the MOST.

Therefore it is my prayer that judgment comes to each and every one that POST the MOST that has defied /offended the innate laws of conscience of those found in common sense and decency that is at the core and fabric of our nations people.

Sorry for the double post…I’m at my daughter’s house and using her laptop and I really hate those damn things.

I guess the parts of Obama’s plans that were designed to help the middle class have been shot down by the Senate, right?  No real tax relief and no help with foreclosures, and no tax increases on the ultra-wealthy.  Never mind that the divide between them and the middle class has about tripled in the past few decades.

I had hoped he would bring real change, but I don’t see a lot of change happening here.  More like chump change.  To be sure, he’s a far better diplomat than GB could ever hope to be, but that’s basically just all talk, and I don’t see enough action to back it up.

Meanwhile, the ranks of the middle class are thinning fast.

I guess the parts of Obama’s plans that were designed to help the middle class have been shot down by the Senate, right?  No real tax relief and no help with foreclosures, and no tax increases on the ultra-wealthy.  Never mind that the divide between them and the middle class has about tripled in the past few decades.

I had hoped he would bring real change, but I don’t see a lot of change happening here.  More like chump change.  To be sure, he’s a far better diplomat than GB could ever hope to be, but that’s basically just all talk, and I don’t see enough action to back it up.

Meanwhile, the ranks of the middle class are thinning fast.

DwightBaker, re your 1:45 comment: husband yelled when post office man said charger had arrived there via priority mail, but it could take another week to get to our mailbox yet refused husband’s offer to come to post office and pick it up himself. Yelling seemed to help; it arrived two days later. As for my sanity, it’s usually intact. If there are people and causes you love, you can’t afford the luxury of mental meltdowns. (There are MANY basically sane people on TD—KDelphi, Leefeller, Shenonymous, Inherit the Wind, Parcelsus to name just a few.)

Folktruther, May 3 at 1:23 am

Folktruther, May 3 at 1:23 am

IF THAT WAS THE GOOD NEWS WHAT IS THE BAD? Have you no sense that most Americans want the same as you? You left out the worse of the worse.  But I will leave that up to you and your group to discover that one.  Now I have laid out the sane plan but seem to have gone over your head and your group. 

We the people must labor with them at their game, and that is using law to get what they want.  That is why we cannot take them on in LA Baltimore, Miami or anywhere else.  Just one place Washington DC.

You and your group have scoffed at my work but it has been more that welcomed by many more and it is the only sane and lawful way to get this Great American Ship turned around.  So when you cry out that we are doomed to fail, all I hear is just one voice giving up.  And someday you will learn that the victims seldom have many rights to life.  It is those that refuse to give in give up that most often over come all odds.  So the first thing about you and your group is getting to talk right not wrong.  Who wants to follow anyone that has gloom painted on his or her forehead?

Folktruther, don’t you think there is a possibility that things will get so much worse than they already are that people WILL find the will and ways to rebel? (Someone suggested boycotting elections, but boycotts do not move anything forward—or bring systems down—the way general strikes have in the past.) Must admit, though, I hear and see a lot of free-floating anger without a focus. Yet. (I’m not sure if the Horowitz you refer to is David Horowitz, but if so I thought he moved to Israel to edit some publication years ago. What does he have to do with firing professors or anything else in the U.S.? Which professors, where and why? Haven’t heard anything about that—or, for that matter, nothing about Horowitz for quite a while. Journalists are not usually in the business of getting professors fired. But I don’t want to go too far off the topic here.) And what concentration camps are already built? For whose occupancy? I thought I was the paranoid one here.

Globalization has destroyed the American unions, and the unions were necessry to mobilize the population to keep the parties in line economically.  Now the Amereican people are fragmented, the ruling class united, and class ienquality is growing to monstrous proportions.

The ruling class knows that inevitably the population will react.  So it appears that the Gops ae kind of ignoring the electorial element and focusing on their base on religious fanatics who will support a police state.  Their supporters are like Trith; they have no sense at all.  His philosophical position is: I gibber, therefore I am.  He is in favor of mass killing, torture, oppression of every kind, and he is an example of what the Gops are counting on.

Obama, aside from the hypocracies, is not offering any solutions because there are none satisfactory to the ruling class.  So things will get worse. And the solution of the Gops are the prisons and concentrations camps that already have been built.  Zionists under Horriwitz are already getting professors fired from universities, and this is under Obama.  Unless there is some instituional way to unite the population, the policies of Bush-Obama will continue, class inequality will increase, and the ruling power structure will resort to mass violence against the American people.

By KDelphi, May 2 at 11:48 pm #

OFF TOPIC OF FORUM BUT RELEVANT

Did you get any painting done?

Sepharad and truedigger3—I dont expect Pres. Obam to fix everything—especially not yet—but I do expect him to take the country in a new direction…you know, change…

Hiring on Clinton’s Wall St is the same direction…been there, done that..

truedigger3, Yeah, you’re right about that. Bothers me a lot that Obama has let some of these guys walk out even richer while not doing much about people losing houses, jobs, hope. I really do hope things get better and he makes better choices—because he’s going to be President for next 4, maybe 8, years, and there are all kinds of crises out there just waiting to be handled for better or worse. Have been following Paul Krugman’s columns—one economist I trust—and he is not exactly overflowing with optimism re either Obama or the developments to date.

By truedigger3, May 2 at 3:51 pm #

Seems you have not stayed up with Sepharads ramblings in the beat and tune of a monkey dancing on a string. So please stay up with your own group’s words so you can have an informed opinion of what is really going on. 

Now again I say you or your group does not own this site—-so if you do not like me looking in to bring MY TAKE to the forum then you choose what delight or plight you might want to take with you as you go on to greener pastures.

DWIGHTBAKER,

Are you insisting on showing everone how stupid idiot
you are.
Dolt, take a long hike and don’t come back.

sepharad wrote:
“truedigger, I agree with what you wrote re the auto industry and banks, but it’s too early to blame it all on Obama. He’s made some horrible mistakes, but the financial crisis was, is, such a fruit-basket-upset situation that it would take a true genius to get everything right.”
____________________________________________________
sepharad,

I am not blaming the crisis on Obama, but it is
obvious that all he wants to do is to bail out wall St. banksters and the hell with rest of the economy and the common struggling folks.
His economic team is cosisting from the very same
people who caused that disaster.
Compare the trillions of dollars shoveled on Wall St.
with the “struggle” of the auto companies to get some few billions more which would have saved tens of thousands of jobs.
Yes, some major banks should be saved, but you can
save the banks without saving the corrupt management
with their obscene bonuses and without bailing-out the super-rich bonds and stocks holders.

Sepharad, May 2 at 1:23 pm

By golly seems to me you got your broke dual intake Chevy blown hard drive delivered to get installed into your PEAR COMPUTER made of SPARE parts that come at night out of the back of uncle needs Cadillac to——get you powered up again and it even appears to have helped your sanity.

truedigger, I agree with what you wrote re the auto industry and banks, but it’s too early to blame it all on Obama. He’s made some horrible mistakes, but the financial crisis was, is, such a fruit-basket-upset situation that it would take a true genius to get everything right. I think Robert Reich could have been more useful than some of the people he chose, I hate it that he’s empowered the same people who wrecked the system, but he’s a smart guy and probably won’t make the same mistakes again (unless he is a bona fide class traitor, which is far from clear yet).

truedigger3, May 2 at 11:53 am

TRUEGRITDIGGER WROTE————I am jabbercastrated
Go back to your hiding and take DWIGHTBAKER with you.———- DWIGHTBAKER said, “WHY would I want to go anywhere I am at home here at TRUTHDIG seeking out reincarnated TROLLS from the Druid Population of old?  That seeks out other souls that have been exhumed too?

cryena wrote addressing Marie Cocco:

“Obama is ‘allowing’Chrysler to go bankrupt. They did that to themselves. Other corporations have gone bankrupt and come back out of it well enough. Allowing the banks to go under is a bit different. But then, you wouldn’t get that.”
_________________________________________________

No, Chrysler didn’t do that to themselves. Chrysler and ALL the other auto companies are in trouble because of the economic crisis brought by
the fraudster and banksters of Wall St. who selected and financed your beloved Obama to get elected.
Its mangagement took that chance with the colllusion of the governmrnt to declare bankruptcy to bust the labor unions and cancel
all its obligations to the workers and retirees.
Yes, Chrysler will emerge from bankruptcy, but with a workforce with much lower wages and benefits and top management with bigger salaries
and bonuses.
You wrote: “allowing the banks to go under is a little different”
No one is calling for the banks to go under, what
has been called for is the government to take over the insolvent banks and save what is savable and shut down the hopeless cases. FDIC did that tens of times before.
Why the government is giving the same failed
managers trillions of dollars and let them still
get their bonuses as a reward for their abject
corruption and incompetence.
Where were you? I thought you were hiding from
embarrassment watching your beloved Obama rolling
on the same tracks left by W Bush. But you are still defending and find execuse for beloved Obama. I cann’t believe that. I am flabbergasted.
Go back to your hiding and take DWIGHTBAKER with
you.

THE NATION THAT GAVE US THE ROMAN EMPIRE THE HOLY ROMAN CHURCH THE MAFIA GUCCI BAGS AND FASCISM——
IS NOW GOING TO SAVE CHRYSLER
WHAT?
BIG PAY BACK TIME COMING FOR THE UN-DISSEVERING
SOUND LIKE A MAFIA SCHEME TO SOME——-LIKE KNOWING HOW TO PICKUP GARBAGE AND MAKE FORTUNES
WELL?

Fiat boss Sergio Marchionne headed for Detroit Tuesday hoping to seal an alliance with Chrysler and buoyed by a burst of national pride over the Italian icon’s role as possible savior for the failing US auto giant.  “It’s the first time in a long time that Italy, seen as being in decline like the rest of Europe ... is being talked about in the United States in a positive light,” said leading daily Corriere della Sera under the headline “Italy’s Chance.”
Marchionne will “probably” also have talks with the US government in Washington, a Fiat spokesman told AFP.

WHO RULES THE ROOST Italy’s boss of bosses Emma Marcegaglia Capo di tutti capi?

“America to Fiat: Save Us, Please,” was the headline in the right-wing Il Giornale newspaper owned by the family of Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
Italy’s boss of bosses Emma Marcegaglia commented that US President Barack Obama, by “directly linking aid to Chrysler to the accord (with Fiat), is recognizing the capabilities of Fiat and Italian entrepreneurs.” A Chrysler spokesman late Monday announced a “framework agreement” with Fiat, reflecting progress since the two sides presented the broad outlines of a prospective alliance in January. “It’s one step closer to the definitive agreement,” said Chrysler spokesman Shawn Morgan. To 5.18 euros in overall market trading that was up only 0.98 percent. The price had plunged more than nine percent on Monday amid investor fears of unforeseen risks posed by the tie-up.
Under the preliminary accord signed in January, Fiat would initially take a 35 percent stake in Chrysler, which could rise to as much as 55 percent. However, the initial stake has been brought down to 20 percent, a source close to the dossier told AFP, confirming a report in the Wall Street Journal. “At first it will be 20 percent (and) rise gradually to 35 percent, according to adjustments in Chrysler’s (restructuring) plan,” the source said.  Notably that pertaining to smaller, more economical vehicles.  Demand for Chrysler’s large-sized sports utility wagons has declined in a recession-hit economy where consumers are strapped for credit and facing unemployment.  The Wall Street Journal said the adjustment was aimed at facilitating negotiations between Chrysler and the US Treasury. Fiat will not be allowed more than a 49 percent stake in Chrysler until US government loans are repaid, according to the White House.  An auto task force commissioned by Obama said Monday that Chrysler and General Motors had failed to submit adequate restructuring plans under a 17.4 billion dollar (13.2 billion euro) government bailout agreed late last year. The government may invest up to six billion dollars more in Chrysler if the alliance with Fiat succeeds, the task force said. The Fiat-Chrysler negotiations come at a time when the European auto sector is being hit hard by the global financial crisis.  Fiat, Italy’s largest private employer saw domestic sales fall 20 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008 and has announced a string of temporary layoffs.  But Marchionne is credited with turning Fiat’s fortunes around after he took over the company when it was on the verge of collapse in 2004.

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WANT TO BE BIG SHOTS

The US administration on Monday gave Chrysler 30 days to sign a definitive agreement with Fiat, presented as the only hope for the automaker to return to profitability and a pre-requisite to any further government aid.

The government may invest up to six billion dollars more in Chrysler if the alliance with Fiat succeeds, the task force said

A deal Obama can’t refuse? Interesting that GM took a bath on its Fiat investment what, eight years ago? Now Fiat is buying Chrysler?  How many degrees of separation of incompetence is that?

While Fiat would pay nothing, it would provide access for Chrysler to its technology, notably that pertaining to smaller, more economical vehicles. Is that the ticket! Those small cars are dominating the market, right? How can Fiat lose? Pay nothing and get US government money to assure success.

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BIG PAY BACK TO WHOM?
THE BILDERBERG?
WHO?
WWII WAR CRIMINALS THAT AVOIDED PROSECUTION?
WHAT?
THEY GOT THEIR OWN RELIGION?
APPEALS TO A BUNCH OF PERVERTS
WHO?
THOSE THAT WANT TO BE BIG SHOTS LIKE THEM?
HUM

FIAT merger with Chrysler is another clear indication America is falling into a neo-fascist state. While the German automobile companies worked to redeem themselves from their Nazi past. FIAT has remained a far left socialist organization. It was FIAT that agreed to build the largest automobile plant in Russia at the height of the Cold War, a deal that allowed Russia to acquire western machine parts for its military. After the Cold War FIAT remains a company sustained by large government subsidies. If one thinks FIAT is going to save Chrysler from public bail out, think again. It is Chrysler’s new status as a public subsidized company that makes it very attractive to a socialist vampire like FIAT. Letting FIAT sink its fangs into Chrysler’s neck only proves that it will remain on bailout life support for years to come. The Agnelli Family of FIAT has been the oldest member of the Bilderberger Group founded by German born Dutch Prince Bernhard. There is something about US bailouts that brings out the Bilderbergers…It was the 1970 US Bailout of Lockheed that resulted in the Lockheed Affair scandal which caused Prince Bernhard to step down as leader of Bilderberg. Sergio Marchionne is presently a member of the Group and also serves on the Board of Swiss bank UBS, which has given large political contributions to fellow Bilderberg member Senator Chris Dodd a lead architect of the neo-fascist US policy to merge the largest private industries into a Government command and control economic system.
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WHO ARE THE ONES THAT IN OPEN DAYLIGHT
BRING REPROACH?

Timothy Geithner is a child prodigy that was groomed by father and grandfather to do what he is doing today expanding the Ford Foundation and their cronies’ goals. He spent much of childhood in Africa where his influential parents and grandparents had deep roots into that political culture.

Larry Summers tutored him for years. And the lunch dates certainly proves that his prodigy and pundit status jumped started his political carrier. 

But does that long connectivity with the Ford Foundation and their partners and views on how the world should be run cast a serious doubt and concern who he really works for?  It does for many.

And Geithner heading up our treasury has proved to have consequences that we cannot bare. His stated goals and aspirations for us are out of step with most others.  His personal appearances raises doubts to how he stands on the issues, that again has lead many of us to have concerns about him knowing all the game plans each step of the way.  And that leads us to consider who does he serve, those of us the offended or those that committed the offenses.  Thus the record is clear that he jumps to and serves the wills and mandates of the offenders. 

And should this entire banking crisis be a PONZI scheme as many have said, and if Geithner job is to disguise that so his benefactors can go undiscovered to that end we would be foolish to not raise a red flag every day until he is replaced.  For at the end of the day we have Geithner representing the Ford Foundation and all their associates on one hand and two Larry Summers on the other?

Entrepreneurs are needed to restructure our government not political pundits and puppets doing what they a told behind closed doors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Geithner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_School_Bangkok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_H._Nitze_School_of_Advanced_International_Studies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_H._Nitze
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/unbearable-vagueness-timothy-geithner
http://documents.nytimes.com/geithner-schedule-new-york-fed#p=3

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Miss Marie,

Just as sort of an FYI, “The End of the Middle Class As We Knew It” began a real long time ago, with Reganomics, and it’s never let up.

This is SOOOO typical of this author…

“The cool calculation with which President Barack Obama signaled that he was willing to let automakers go bankrupt but would not contemplate the failure of big financial institutions is one marker of his first 100 days in office.”

This ‘cool calculation’ which signaled what to WHOM? How the hell would YOU know what President Obama has ‘calculated’ or ‘signaled’. There’s no way in science that you could ever interpret what an intelligent mind is considering in terms of administering to the current needs of a state that has become little more than a corporate welfare state under 40 years of previous administrations, most of them repugs.

Give it a rest Miss Marie. Catch up with the times. Obama is ‘allowing’Chrysler to go bankrupt. They did that to themselves. Other corporations have gone bankrupt and come back out of it well enough. Allowing the banks to go under is a bit different. But then, you wouldn’t get that.

Sepharad—Yes. Thanks. Even here, I hear people refereed to as “them” alot—sometimes I think, do they mean moi? lol

I’m sure many others here have spent their time flipping burges and waiting tables. If anyone hasnt, maybe they should practice….

KDelphi—“Middleclawss” indeed. You are BAD ... but also kind, unlike myself: I can think of any number of people I would wish misery on—but most of them are untouchable. I’d expected some of the bank guys to be hobnobbing with the Enron guys in prison by now but instead they got their bonuses, and still others crow about having “plenty of cash.” There is such a world of hurt around our area as well as the rest of the country ... and the world for that matter. Was glad to hear Obama managed a tiny bit of anger at speculators today. I wish he’d get really mad and throw things and yell. Was hoping maybe some of Rahm Emanuel’s tantrum-prone behavior would rub off on his boss and deployed at the right times.

To Hippie4Ever, who said:

“Capitalism is intolerant of an educated peasantry because they are needed as cannon fodder.”

Also because they are needed as good little factory workers…oh wait, I guess a lot of those jobs have been shipped overseas, haven’t they?  OK then, they are needed as good little hamburger flippers and coffee-servers…including a lot of our college grads.

If I saw a way to drop out of this society, I would, in a heartbeat.

hippie4ever—nailed it…

I do not wish misery on anyone—well, maybe a few Wall St bankers, some working for Pres. Obama, but…

All in all, the middle class drove themselves off of this cliff. They jumped into the Casino stock mkt with both feet, giving up the right to secure pensions , in return for bigger investment dollars(or so they were told, so it seemed at the time) with 401ks, etc.The Unions relished in Generous Motors reliable BS/BS health insurANce, which, basically set the standards for what would be treated medically in this country- when and how long…and never stopped to think about those that couldnt get coverage.(until they couldnt)The middle class happily signed in “welfare reform” and allowed multinationals to send the working classes and poorkids off to war, while they went to college, to get a “new ” degee in computer engineering or some such, and, smiled while they signed NAFTA and CAFTA and now PAFTA and all this other crap, to ship working class peoples’ jobs to countries where people are forced to work for pennies…all in the name of growth and “free mkt capitalism”—I guess they didnt think it would move up to “white collar”, but it has..

No body thought about the poor—maybe they will , now that they themselves will get a taste of it..I hope, that the middle clawss will demand better, not just “hope”.

voice of truth,

My previous posting was addressed to you.