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The Clinton BubblePosted on Apr 28, 2009
Has Timothy Geithner ever had lunch with a non-megamillionaire who has lost his job or home because of the banking meltdown? I ask that question after reading the list of the treasury secretary’s luncheon dates when he was head of the New York Federal Reserve, a list that the government was forced to provide in response to a lawsuit. During those years when he was supposed to be supervising Wall Street, he supped most often in the top-echelon dining room of some bank or at the home of one of the financial moguls who created the mess that has now bankrupted billions throughout the world. One of his frequent luncheon buddies was Sanford I. Weill, who as chairman of Citigroup lobbied successfully for the reversal of key regulations that dated back to the New Deal era. That change permitted Weill’s oligarchy to become “too big to fail.” Another preferred dining companion was Robert Rubin, who as Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary pushed through Weill’s favored deregulation—a disastrous “reform” that lies at the heart of the current mess—and who went on to become chairman of Citigroup, where he presided over a downfall of the company that required a $45 billion taxpayer bailout. Geithner had worked for Rubin at the Treasury Department, and it was Rubin who got him his job at the New York Fed and hooked him up with Barack Obama. Geithner has since pushed the Obama administration to approach the banking crisis not in response to the needs of destitute homeowners but rather from the side of the bankers who are seizing their homes. Instead of keeping people in their homes with a freeze on foreclosures, he has rewarded the unscrupulous lenders who conned ordinary folks. He still wants to give more money to Citigroup, which has just been found woefully short of cash by Treasury’s auditors, and has not stopped Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and some other big banks ostensibly under government influence, and indeed sometimes ownership, from recently ending their temporary moratoriums on housing foreclosures. Geithner has been in the forefront of coddling the banks in the hopes that welfare for the rich will trickle down to suffering homeowners, but that has not happened. Advertisement Most revealing was the Times’ discovery that Geithner shocked a meeting of top government officials, convened by then-Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson to deal with the financial crisis, when “[h]e proposed asking Congress to give the president broad power to guarantee all the debt in the banking system. … ” Now I know that the conventional wisdom among Democrats is that the Clintonistas were wildly successful in running the economy when they had their turn, and that Rubin and his protégés Lawrence Summers and Geithner deserve a lot of the credit. But that view is dead wrong. The seeds of the current economic chaos were planted in those years, in which Wall Street lobbyists were given everything they wanted in the way of radical deregulation, and hence was born the madcap world of credit swaps and other unregulated derivatives. The result was a Clinton bubble, which saw the rise of a new superrich class that vastly skewed income distribution in favor of what was termed the “working rich” by Emmanuel Saez, who deservedly just won the top prize for young economists, the American Economic Association’s John Bates Clark Medal. Members of the “working rich” are well represented in the top 1 percent of income “earners,” who, according to a study by Saez, “captured about half of the overall economic growth over the period 1993-2006.” The record is clear that from the first year of the Clinton reign, the new class of superrich, including many Wall Streeters, benefited as much as the other 99 percent of the nation’s population did from the policies that Clinton put in place and George W. Bush accelerated. To add salt to the wounds of those left out of the bubble, the Clinton administration summarily ended the federal poverty program in the name of a so-called welfare reform that “devolved” programs for the poor to the tender mercy of the states. The meanness derby between the cash-strapped states is on, and the poor, a category that includes a growing number of folks who only recently were judged “middle class,” are abandoned. What is involved here is an extreme case of government-condoned “moral hazard” offering outrageous compensation to the superrich for screwing up royally. Where is the socially conscious Obama we voted for? E-mail him and ask. Previous item: Sen. Arlen Specter on Switching Next item: Disclosure of 'Secrets' in the ’70s Didn't Destroy the Nation Elsewhere: . CommentsAre you a Truthdig member yet? Login now, or register with Truthdig. Add Your Comment
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By Hawkeye, May 30 at 8:29 pm #
REF: Abigail David
It is hopeful to hear the nation is not completely populated with creatures from “The Night of the Living Dead,” you know, those mortgage and investment banksters in NYC and their satellite operations from Dallas to San Diego.
Indeed, justice should extend far past the hands-on bandits with the smoking pistols in their hands. It must include the bank guards who looked the other way and those who sheltered them after they fled the scene of the crime.
I truly believe it is a subcortical and righteous need. Good God almighty, do they really expect to get away with this? When I study the expression on Tim Geithner’s innocent face, he looks worried. He looks scared. Why? He is fully aware of the awesome acting job he has. He has the impossible task of convincing millions of people who are slowly realizing what has happened. Those like Summers, Blankfein and those lucky fellows at Goldman Sachs chose the right face to speak to America and plead their case. Perfect casting, don’t you think?
Mama pin a rose on me, I am such a good boy.
Report thisBy Hawkeye, May 30 at 7:19 pm #
REF: Wanked
“Little Timmy” was chosen by central casting, just like sweet Bobby Gibbs, the non offensive press secretary. Steven Spielberg once revealed in an interview much of his success he attributed to his special talent for choose the right children for his films. His deep understanding of the camera and his ability to visualize the affect on the right audiences is the core of his “genius.”
With Rahm Emanuel directing the never-ending campaign, President Obama continues to carry out the master plan.
There are no accidents. Everything is going to plan, just fine.
It is critical the hired hands speak gently even sing their soothing songs when it is dark. Otherwise, the cattle might stampede before they are driven to the slaughterhouse.
Consider, carefully, if that is the masterplan, can’t you appreciate what a bang up job they are doing? Just another routine cattle drive in progress.
Don’t worry, take it easy, and get along little dogies.
Report thisBy Hawkeye, May 30 at 6:32 pm #
REF: Night-Gaunt
My late uncle Woody was a wise man, a man of few words. He was one of those “dust bowl Okies” who went to Calif. with the family in a caravan of model a’s. He was a training sargent in WW2 and, a skilled machinist and a 33rd degree Mason.
He only lectured me a few times during the years I lived with him and my aunt. One lecture was on “never under estimate” the other man. I had decided to try out for the high school football team and I took the lesson as strictly about tackling, blocking and such. Eventually, I came to understand that it meant so much more. Practically everything he ever said had universal application, I now realize.
Night-Gaunt, you are so right about the importance of not underestimating these “morans,” it is so true that the “morans” have been silently taking control for decades.
They quietly took over the schools, the media and the minds of the young. We now find ourselves adrift at sea and with little idea of the direction back to dry land. Many are showing signs of panic, depression but most continue to follow that vague, deceptive slogan - Change that you can believe in.
The central figures call for confidence, hope and change we can believe in. Damn the hard facts, the indices of hard numbers, fundamental economics and numbers. The central players in the collosal scam completely rely on your confidence, hope and faith in their message.
Uncle Woody warned me of underestimating the challenge ahead, it applies to blocking and tackling and world economics and politics, too.
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, May 30 at 3:41 pm #
A curious rant Abagail but where does the Bill of Rights, a Republic and a Constitution square with your celestial kingdom? You won’t find any of those in any version of the Bible I am aware of. Just a theocracy of one immortal all seeing dictator. Not something we need here or anywhere on the earth. [The fact that there is a small group of oligarchs here want one is of similar import.]
It must be fun calling such intelligent and devious people “morons” but it might get you to underestimate them which is the classic mistake of the amateur. Something they and I (if I were one of them) would cultivate among my enemies. So don’t fall into that trap of the mind.
Rockefeller and company (many rich families and corporations) have given us this economic disaster , which is far from over, in order to overthrow our republic to replace it with a theocratic corporate state. So far these “morons” are winning.
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, May 30 at 2:24 am #
Yes like the old warning I think Franklin said about if we don’t work together they would all hang separately. Such a problem, very similar, looms before us but it is from within. Madison, warned of such and how right he was, that brainiac.
The revolution is here, under our nose, silent but deadly. Can we mount a counter revolution in time? Do we even have a chance or know where and who all the heads are? Do we still have patriots in the various branches of gov’t and military? Is there still a chance? Or is it too late and the worse is yet to come? Will we be lucky if we die before the empire is born? Do we want to have all those answers?
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, May 30 at 1:38 am #
Yes Hawkeye if you would have read my very first post here you would have seen it. Despite your anger and invective at me I agree with you on your assessment of our culture and how much of it we have lost to the corporate interests. That and as our Republic is gutted from within by those inside forces that want to bring it down so that they may build their very own theocratic corporate dictatorship and empire on top of its ruins very soon. How soon is unknown.
Timothy Geithner is just one of the serious symptoms we are shown by the cabal as it works like a tumor to take over and supplant the host. Like a metastacizing cancer, malignant cells of fascism spread about the body politic.
Before calling someone else a ‘troll’ after just breezing in here not commenting on the subject matter just because I didn’t agree with your new friend Dwight. Don’t act trollish your self to me as you do, please. Thank you. I will speak no more of it after this.
Report thisBy Hawkeye, May 30 at 12:21 am #
REF: Abigail David
Our government is in a downward spiral, like the dollar.
At this point, I study the numbers and then rely on my “third eye” to guide me.
As for coming together, well my friend, I am reminded of one of the original patriots who said either we hang together or we will hang one at a time.
Guess it was a bit easier to unite, face to face, way back then in New England. Only if each state and city can rely on local leaders and lawmen to unite, will there be any coming together. The public school social scientists have beaten the church out of all the young. The young identify with Sponge Bob, Hollywood trash and drugs. No, we have lost that round.
I suggest that only by doing what Robert E. Lee should have done after Gettysburg, can we retreat to the hills and resist, forever.
The communications system is owned and constantly watched and studied. Every post might be your last. Perhaps you understand the potential of the the latest AI programs and models to evaluate data, maybe not.
Report thisBy Hawkeye, May 29 at 9:58 pm #
REF: Night-Gaunt
Address the issue? Wow, are you one to talk. When have you ever addressed the issue. We learn about your interpretation of evolution and your take on God.
The issue is about Geithner and the national economic diaster, about which I have shared new information with comments from Bill Clinton:
“Just heard on Charley Rose the story about Bill Clinton who recently said that he made a big mistake listening to Alan Greenspan ....”
But never anything like that from Night-Gaunt. Not a mumbling word, just personal invectives, lashing out at your imagined competition.
As it stands, the only comment that I will provide for comments like your’s - “TROLL.”
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, May 29 at 12:35 pm #
Hawkeye I would be the first to say that I am not always right. How about some detail to that skeleton of a critique eh? If you have the cereba for it that is. Also how about a comment on the actual topic if you can or dare?
But then light weights get to have their say too. Like balloons.
Report thisBy Hawkeye, May 29 at 1:35 am #
REF: NIGHT-GAUNT
Report thisYou are always right, even when you are left. A great example of magical thinking, just like Peter Pan and company.
By Hawkeye, May 29 at 1:24 am #
REF: Night-Gaunt
Just heard on Charley Rose the story about Bill Clinton who recently said that he made a big mistake listening to Alan Greenspan regard those damn “derivatives,” the so-called toxic assets that destroyed the nation’s economy.
Oops, dang it, should have imposed more regulation on those dang old derivatives. Greenspan sold Bush and Cheney on the derivatives, too.
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, May 28 at 11:15 pm #
Why Hawkeye what you say about InheritTheWind you say about me and the few others like myself. Yes something is missing. It isn’t in the mental abilities department but it is related to evolution and the human brain. Yes I don’t worship any “god” or anything or anyone else. I can’t and don’t need to unlike you and all of the billions like you. If you study evolutionary biology it will tell you why. (Evolution never stops until you are extinct.)
Now what do you think of the actual topic Hawkeye?
Report thisBy Hawkeye, May 28 at 10:51 pm #
REF: DWIGHTBAKER
Report thisYou ever wonder what makes this “inherit the wind” person really tick? The awesome arrogance of those who have no humility or a mind open to even an undefined possibility of a higher power is limited. I mean in a fundamental, organic way. It reminds me of that old saw, “One brick short of a load.”
By DWIGHTBAKER, May 8 at 12:16 am #
foggyjones, May 7 at 8:13 pm
Relax when you get a bit—-to all my pals and gals at TRUTHDIG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq47nubt0N8
Report thisBy foggyjones, May 7 at 8:13 pm #
Friday 700 PM/CST DFW
REF: DWIGHTBAKER
Great post! We must be cousins. Still, they refuse to understand. What is it gonna take?
They have eyes but do not see.
They have ears but do not hear.
They have arze but remain constipated with popular dogma.
This is why I insist that the root of all the corruption was made possible by those who control mainstream media. Propaganda and deceptive myths and even omissions from the “official” news works. Do a search on Joseph Goebbels and learn how much he contributed to “truth” and civilization.
The fact is, if you compare the mug shots of Joseph Goebbels and Larry King, the resemblence is uncanny. Pure natural ability to gain the confidence of others.
Those who have extraordinary, unnatural cravings for wealth and power must be watched very carefully. They are prone to go too far, as in the current mortgage banking swindle, best bank robber, ever. Or, simply call it The Crime of the Century.
Nobody will harm you, confess and the truth will set you free.
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, May 7 at 1:23 pm #
Night-Gaunt, May 7 at 12:45 pm]
What CITIES are printing their own money? And as far as rich JEWS goes I didn’t invent that or create that nor was I around when they sold out their own people to HITLER or have you forgotten that in history? They did all that not me.——If you read then read about the Bilderbergs. And you better be concerned where you fate will end up some day if the Bilderbergs are allowed to do to the US what they have done all over the world. I am not anti-Semite for I am one too. My roots go back to Abraham just like yours I suppose. And as far as being a cheerleader you flunk on that one too.
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, May 7 at 12:45 pm #
Sorry to burst you bubble Dwight but I don’t follow that “Moses” business of yours. A cheerleader perhaps is my function. As for you, you’re the one with the “fire in his eyes” but for me you are a fire on my butt and just as annoying in you verbal flummery. However, you may be the wannabe in this case. Now as to the thread itself? Anything from that vast vacuum you use for an information well? Try to keep up!
You do seem to follow the White Christian supremacist crowd on blaming the rich Jews for the worlds ills don’t you? I see problems with families owning much and manipulation of more but their religion is of no import to me. It is what they do. If indeed the Warburgs and Bushes and Sachs among others are holding us in yokes then that needs to be ended.
Some cities are now printing their own money that stays in the city and that is so far not being prosecuted by Treasury. Good for them I am behind them on that to keep the money, people and businesses in their localities. Personally I am a confederalist where it concerns gov’t. On the Swiss model and here from 1776-1789.
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, May 7 at 11:41 am #
Night-Gaunt, May 7 at 11:18 am #
WELL IT LOOKS LIKES MOSES NIGHT-GUANT has returned from the burning bush, he has got fire in his eyes for me—-but that is just about it—-no plan of action for anyone to follow his lead maybe he is not a MOSES but just a want to be.
Report thisBy Night-Gaunt, May 7 at 11:18 am #
Dwight, you are a pain in the ass when you copy and paste that same shit of yours on every thread! Like a bloody robot following the same tape program over and over. How do you have time to post if you are chairman of this group of yours? Unless it is made up only of you and you have plenty of time on you devilishly idle hands? It is off topic, dick old boy.
You know a person by the company that they keep. Look at who Obama has surrounded himself with. Except for the “d” they are all the same as republicans. But then they are in the other wing of the corporate capitalist party of D.C.
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, May 7 at 6:41 am #
LED, FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY——- WHO IS SMART ENOUGH TO JUDGE MY BOOK BY ITS COVER? WHO AMONG THE JEWS TODAY HAS THE NEHEMIAH SPIRIT TO REBUILD THE WALLS AND GATES IN FIFTY-THREE DAYS? HOW MANY COMMENTING HERE ON TRUTHDIG ARE AFRAID OF THEIR OWN SHADOW? WHO COMMENTING HERE ON TRUTHDIG HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR ABRAHAM COVENANT? 1-2
Gods Chosen people the JEWS are now on both sides of the fence. Both are JEWS by birth and maybe some even stay up with the rituals and some of the cultures of Judaism. But who practices the Laws of Moses today? The aristocracy of the Temple Worship is gone, the elite Sadducees if still around have gone underground. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadducees
The Pharisees may still exist to a degree. But certainly not using that name to identify what they do and who they are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees#From_political_party_to_sect:_Sadducees.2C_Essenes.2C_and_Pharisees_in_the_Roman_period
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9633774/World-events-History-Timeline500-000-BC2000-AD-
The growth of the Jewish people began to grow and expand after settling in the land of Israel—- King David taxed the commerce and trade routes that enriched his kingdom. Solomon built the First Temple in Jerusalem the aristocracy of the group Sadducees took over the priesthood of running the Temple. That included many enrichments for them at a time when the majority of Jewish folks were still peasants.
When I was in Israel I walked through the homes of some of the Sadducees who lived just west of the Temple Mount. They were lavish beyond measure having baths spas or ritual emersion baths in many rooms that was decorated with rich frescos and tile. Most of the most were more than 3,000 sq. ft.
The Sadducees were closely entwined with the Roman Leaders that occupied Israel and bribery then was the order of the day as is today. The Sadducees were guilty of not following the Laws of Moses but simply using those Laws to benefit them and their kin ONLY. Thus it has become clear to me today that the old order of Sadducees has been resurrected by the Bilderbergs to take over once again and put all back into servitude to them. And the fact that David Koch Jewish wants to use select Laws Moses to rule the world for his benefit now makes sense. And in the foundation of the Bilderbergs many Jewish names appear. Some of the Bankers in Germany that were Jewish at the time of the Holocaust looked the other way as their kin were carted of to the gas chambers. WHY they made a lavish fortune supporting Hitler agendas.
NOW THE QUESTION IS WHAT CAMP DO YOU BELONG IN?
THE VOICES FOR WE THE PEOPLES ADVOCATES—-WTPA Dwight Baker Chairman for Grass Roots Actions needed to form our own lobby to power push or wants, needs, wishes for all acts in equity by actions of Justice. PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853 Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077 E-mail .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, May 7 at 6:40 am #
LED, FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY——- WHO IS SMART ENOUGH TO JUDGE MY BOOK BY ITS COVER? WHO AMONG THE JEWS TODAY HAS THE NEHEMIAH SPIRIT TO REBUILD THE WALLS AND GATES IN FIFTY-THREE DAYS? HOW MANY COMMENTING HERE ON TRUTHDIG ARE AFRAID OF THEIR SHADOW? WHO COMMENTING HERE ON TRUTHDIG HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR ABRAHAM COVENANT? 2-2
Now on the other side of Judaism during the time of our Lord were the Pharisees they believed in an afterlife and were the leaders in the synagogues that were sprinkled all around. The Rabbis were the functional head of the synagogue that was a town hall meeting place, learning and place for study and prayer and the Rabbis were baby sitters for the women that worked. Thus public education began for the Jews in the synagogue. The Pharisees Rabbis wore the clothing prescribed by the Moses laws, while the Sadducees wore silks and fine lien to prove in adornment they were more than the common man.
Jesus rebuked the Sadducees for their profanity of the Temple worship for the Sadducees had turned that event of worship and cleansing for their Jewish folk from all over the inhabited world into a time to make profit. The Sadducees did not believe in an after life when judgment by God of their transgressions would come. The Sadducees could not kill Jesus because of the Law of Moses forbade. But they again using their elites appealed to the Roman government to do so and it was done. The Sadducees saw their con coming to and end and they took all the right steps to eliminate the voice that held them in derision and disdain for their open robbery of the people.
As most of us know today some of the most vocal good and morally sound voices that have been raised up against tyranny are those from Jewish ancestors, thus a good question is who are those from the mindset of the Pharisees? I can name long list can you?
And are those that are from Jewish ancestors that want to rape the world and bring about slavery to all of mankind from the mindset of the Sadducees?
NOW THE QUESTION IS WHAT CAMP DO YOU BELONG IN?
THE VOICES FOR WE THE PEOPLES ADVOCATES—-WTPA Dwight Baker Chairman for Grass Roots Actions needed to form our own lobby to power push or wants, needs, wishes for all acts in equity by actions of Justice. PO BOX 7065 Eagle Pass, TX 78853 Tel/fax 1-830-773-1077 E-mail .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Report thisBy foggyjones, May 7 at 2:47 am #
FRIDAY 136 AM/CST DFW
REF: DWIGHTBAKER
I like your shoot-from-hip instinctional input. Somebody needs to consider a new approach for another system. Your 50 regions is a good starting point for “change.” Everybody wants change but they never suggest anything that is specific. It is the same way when panning for gold or developing, for instance, an advertising campaign.
You address the unspeakable notion that birds of a feather really do flock together. Too much propaganda from mainstream media and social engineers designing the education system might be the cause of this road block. For instance, artists and writers tend to migrate to Paris or, say, Greenwich Village in New York City. Gypsy carnivals attrack kindred spirits and so on. These social engineers must stop insisting that we drive square pegs in round holes.
Report thisBy Outraged, May 1 at 9:15 pm #
Re: DWIGHTBAKER
Again, you sidestep my first post directed to you. Or was that supposed to be an answer to one of my questions, if so…which one? I will add, how is it you consider this “facts from a definitive source”?
My first post:
“Re: DWIGHTBAKER:
Your comment: “We the Peoples Advocates is to have 50 regions around the USA with each having as many districts needed to represent the will of the people. IE: New York city/state as one region might have 3000 districts or more Miami city/but state of Florida might have 200 districts.”
And:
“We The Peoples Advocates WTPA are providing the only HOPE in saving our great nation. So JOIN IN and ENLIST”
And:
“FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER OR FLIGHT WITH EACH OTHER
OR TRY TO GET A PLAN TO WORK ON JOINTLY?”
Your first comment sounds strangely akin to “Failin Palin’s” ideological tenets.
The second wants us to “enlist”, enlist in what? for what? and why is it you don’t “enlist” nor endorse “Human Rights First”, the “ACLU”, “Move On”, the “League of Conservation Voters”....etc? Why is it DWIGHT, that you are encouraging everyone to “join up”, when there are so MANY groups readily available to which YOU could join and exhibit your true intent regarding THE ISSUE, instead of some “offshoot” group that you feel the need to form of YOUR OWN MAKING?
In response to your third comment, it is NOT fight or flight, how have you come to your determination?”
Report thisBy Outraged, May 1 at 9:02 pm #
Re: AFriend
Again, I will repeat my earlier comment with emphasis.
The fact is, we get so many trolls that frequent the site and attempt to shout down anyone and everyone they disagree with so its possible, but I don’t recall one specifically. Additionally, I don’t consider unsolicted or unsubstanced rants directed towards my comments qualifiable.
Did you have an issue you were interested in debating or are you just interested in my comments specifically?
Report thisBy AFriend, May 1 at 5:00 pm #
Outraged,
I’m certain your comments will be better received if delivered with less derogatory bluster.
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, May 1 at 4:57 pm #
OUTRAGE and others who POST the MOST
FACTS FROM A DEFINITIVE SOURCE 1-2
A COMMENT BY UMA POSTED ON DEEPAK SITE CARE2
Well Dwight I haven’t been aware of any violent movements in the pagan community or the Druids but I hardly have my ear to the ground these days. I guess if it exists it’s just like the violent element in other faiths, the young souls lusting for excitement and approval, the mature to be heard and recognized as important and, most of all, to get done what they KNOW the world needs.
Historically it is the christian suppression of the nature-oriented faiths of whatever area they are taking over, since that’s just how they rock.
My impression is that at this time the Druids are a scholarly group, mostly focused on recovering the lost wisdom of the pre-roman celtic world and giving back to our Mother the reverence and love all her children owe.
The core points of druidic doctrine known to us from Roman sources is their belief in metempsychosis, and their practice of human sacrifice.
Alexander Cornelius Polyhistor referred to the Druids as philosophers and called their doctrine of the immortality of the soul and reincarnation or metempsychosis “Pythagorean”:
“The Pythagorean doctrine prevails among the Gauls’ teaching that the souls of men are immortal, and that after a fixed number of years they will enter into another body.”
“The principal point of their doctrine”, says Caesar, “is that the soul does not die and that after death it passes from one body into another” (see metempsychosis). Caesar wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druid
Dwight Baker We the Peoples Advocates
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By Outraged, May 1 at 3:19 pm #
Re: DWIGHTBAKER
Again, you sidestep my first post which was directed to you and instead comment regarding a post directed to another. Yours is one opinion, however I have counted up your posts in the past as you know, and found them to be well in excess of others including myself, with the exception of a debate between commenters. These are understandable, however this is not the type of posting that is your norm.
Will you be addressing the post directed to you? It seems you are overly interested in my comments, did you notice this one on the other thread?
“It seems the only “clergy” upset about this are the ones who don’t actually follow the christian tenets that Jesus taught. They have a right to preach, but they do not have a right to a BULLY PULPIT. I’m curious as to Boehner’s and Foxx’s assessment of the act’s protection of women and the disabled, or do they see these groups as “undesirables” too.
My thanks to all who voted for passage of this bill and to House Leader Steny Hoyer’s comment.
”“Hate crimes motivated by race, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, and identity or disability not only injure individual victims, but also terrorize entire segments of our population and tear at our nation’s social fabric,” Hoyer said.”
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20090429_house_passes_matthew_shepard_act/
Report thisBy KDelphi, May 1 at 3:15 pm #
AFriend—Outraged doesnt insult me, unless I need it. (Then, OUtraged will sometimes disagree with me—-I dont have a problem with that) Maybe he/she just disagrees with you. Thats when the insults really start—“childish”, blah, blah, blah…“not serious”, blah, blah, blah…
DWIGHT—THE GUY WHO POSTS THE MOST!!! I never say this to anyone on here. YOu can ask longtime posters—I am for everyone saying whatever they like. I have had some people attack me pretty vehemently on here—ok. I would rather they attack my arguments, but, ok. But, you, just need to shut the hell up!! Gawd!! YOu are worse than the trolls, you are judgemental and you need to go preach somerwhere else—like, where people want to hear it! I would feel bad for you, but, youre so judgemental, you dont give me a chance…I dont know where you did religious studies, but, it sounds like some right-wing, neo-con college like LIberty Bible Baptist
All these judgemental a-holes need to stick to arguments instead of scoring others comments…if you think that you are smarter than everyone else?? I can guarantee you that you are not..this applies to everyone. Very intelligent people are notoriously self effacing…I have actually seen people do “IQ fights” here…seriously!Jeeeezzz…
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, May 1 at 2:44 pm #
By Outraged, May 1 at 2:23 pm
The fact is, we get so many trolls that frequent the site and attempt to shout down anyone and everyone they disagree with so its possible, but I don’t recall one specifically. Additionally, I don’t consider unsolicted or unsubstanced rants directed towards my comments qualifiable.
Outrage are you the number one gun hand of the ones who POST the MOST to shout at then shoot down all the trolls? LOL
Report thisBy Outraged, May 1 at 2:23 pm #
Re: AFriend
Your comment: “The childishness you display keeps people from taking anything you say seriously. Do you not see that?”
You are welcome to take anything I say as “not serious”.
To your first question, “Would I be the first to ask why all your posts are full of derision and insults?”
I really couldn’t tell you AFriend that you are “my first” but my comments are available throughout this site along with responses.
The fact is, we get so many trolls that frequent the site and attempt to shout down anyone and everyone they disagree with so its possible, but I don’t recall one specifically. Additionally, I don’t consider unsolicted or unsubstanced rants directed towards my comments qualifiable.
Did you have an issue you were interested in debating or are you just interested in my comments specifically?
Report thisBy AFriend, May 1 at 9:41 am #
Outraged,
Would I be the first to ask why all your posts are full of derision and insults? The childishness you display keeps people from taking anything you say seriously. Do you not see that?
Report thisBy Outraged, May 1 at 1:08 am #
Re Kdelphi:
Your comment: “I, similarly spent many years trying to work within the “health care system”, trying to “reform it from within”—-that didn’t work either…sometimes, it is just too late…I have nothing, really, PERSONALLY against Pres.Obama—I am just tired of trying to “reform” a broken duopoly as people die in the streets…”
Firstly, let me (although hopefully not) be the first to say thank you, it is much appreciated. I know many times good deeds go unrecognized, and at times we simply don’t know who to thank, you know how it is. Either way, I’m certain I’m not alone in my appreciation for those whose intent is solid and crystal clear.
Additionally, it is easy for me to say without hesitation that it is also apparent you do not harbor any vehement feelings toward Pres. Obama, nor do I. It is EQUALLY apparent that you CARE and this makes all the difference. Hang tough.
(Did I use too many “a” words…. wow, I just cannot fix that…. I know I’ll be good with you Kdelphi, but everyone else will just have to suck it up…. hey, life could be worse.) C’mon people…. stick to the things that matter. Yeah, that’s my disclaimer.
Report thisBy Outraged, May 1 at 12:40 am #
Re: DWIGHTBAKER:
Your comment: “We the Peoples Advocates is to have 50 regions around the USA with each having as many districts needed to represent the will of the people. IE: New York city/state as one region might have 3000 districts or more Miami city/but state of Florida might have 200 districts.”
And:
“We The Peoples Advocates WTPA are providing the only HOPE in saving our great nation. So JOIN IN and ENLIST”
And:
“FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER OR FLIGHT WITH EACH OTHER
OR TRY TO GET A PLAN TO WORK ON JOINTLY?”
Your first comment sounds strangely akin to “Failin Palin’s” ideological tenets.
The second wants us to “enlist”, enlist in what? for what? and why is it you don’t “enlist” nor endorse “Human Rights First”, the “ACLU”, “Move On”, the “League of Conservation Voters”....etc? Why is it DWIGHT, that you are encouraging everyone to “join up”, when there are so MANY groups readily available to which YOU could join and exhibit your true intent regarding THE ISSUE, instead of some “offshoot” group that you feel the need to form of YOUR OWN MAKING?
In response to your third comment, it is NOT fight or flight, how have you come to your determination?
Report thisBy KDelphi, April 30 at 11:25 pm #
Outraged—Thanks. True it is not what I want…but the Fair Electins could be a starter for election reform…and on and on
Report thiseverytime I have to scroll past Geithner, I get nauseated—I am not kidding. I really think that he is that bad..
By Outraged, April 30 at 10:21 pm #
Re: Kdelphi
Good post, great links. I think you’re absolutely correct. We need to put measures in place which will protect our representatives and in turn ourselves. And this would be a start, its not a cure all, but it would be a start. There is much to do.
It’s not enough simply to put the fire out, now the house needs repair and some sections may need to be completely rebuilt.
I also think we need to change course “in our heads”, from “Yes We Can” to “Yes We Will”. (Sorry…. couldn’t contain myself) Still…. it really is true…. NOT, we maybe sorta kinda can do something about it…. but WE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, all of us…. as Americans, will take our country back.
To do that, we need to retake control of our money. The libertarians (although others have stated this as well, the “libs” have been most outspoken regarding it) are correct in this regard, because otherwise we will be forever beholden to this oligarchy. Now…. exactly HOW do that is complex, but not impossible.
Are you listening Mr. Summers? Time to redeem yourself…. with your “best mind”....no?
Well…., we may have to find someone else’s “best mind”.... not to worry, we won’t have to look far.
Report thisBy KDelphi, April 30 at 4:43 pm #
Good for Dick Durbin…
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/30-8
Top Senate Democrat: Bankers ‘Own’ the US Congress
by Glenn Greenwald
“Sen. Dick Durbin, on a local Chicago radio station this week, blurted out an obvious truth about Congress that, despite being blindingly obvious, is rarely spoken: “And the banks—hard to believe in a time when we’re facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created—are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they frankly own the place.” The blunt acknowledgment that the same banks that caused the financial crisis “own” the U.S. Congress—according to one of that institution’s most powerful members—demonstrates just how extreme this institutional corruption is.”
Dems on the “credit card reform bill” (weak as the queen’s horsepiss tea)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/business/22consumer.html
Senate Democrats, hoping to resolve the impasse, have opened negotiations in recent days, but not with their Republican counterparts. Instead, in an effort to divide the industry, the Democrats, led by Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, Charles E. Schumer of New York and Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, have been in talks with Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo, along with a group of credit unions. The lawmakers’ hope is that those institutions would exert pressure on Republican lawmakers and reluctant Democratic moderates.
Even if those negotiations are successful, the Democratic lawmakers are still likely to water down the bankruptcy bill further in the industry’s favor…..
Sen Durbin (with others) has introduced the Fair Elections Bill, along with several other bills , limiting the banking industry, now that I look at his site—-worth checking out. ,,,
http://durbin.senate.gov/showRelease.cfm?releaseId=310864
I dont sees any reps of “The People” there meeting with “The Peoples’ Party of Democratic Capitulation”.
Sen Bernie Sanders had a better version, which, of course, never made it to the floor…sigh. Still, even Sanders bill only limited rates to 15%. Todays bill,does none of that…
http://paeditorsblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/sen-bernie-sanders-introduces-bill-to.html
If you already have a huge credit card debt, it will do NOTHING for you…still, a few GOP fought it tooth and nail anyhow, and Dems watered it down…
“Americans would be shocked if they knew how much time Members of Congress and candidates seeking office must spend dialing for dollars and attending fundraisers. Without a fundamental reform of the way we finance campaigns, we cannot bring real reform to Capitol Hill,” Durbin said. “Our bipartisan bill will give candidates the opportunity to focus on dealing with our nation’s problems and not chasing after campaign cash.”
This would be a start…
Report thisBy prole, April 30 at 3:37 pm #
Let’s not jump to conclusions, here! Maybe Geithner “supped most often in the top-echelon dining room of some bank or at the home of one of the financial moguls who created the mess that has now bankrupted billions throughout the world” because they thought he was sexy. How else to explain that Tinseltown Timmy has received an award more persitigious in dissolute America than a Nobel Prize: he’s received the ultimate accolade, being named to another far more exalted inner circle than that of the ‘financial moguls’. He’s been selected for inclusion in the list of ‘50 Most Beautiful People’ by that impeccable arbiter of American good taste, People Magazine. And it’s widely rumored that the fact that his brother is an executive VP of the sleazy publication had absolutely nothing to do with his entirely meritorious selection for this coveted honor. But in philistine America, it’s now likely that the buzz among the little people in the grocery stores and hair salons will be more about Geithner the celebrities’ consort than Geithner the crooks’ crony. So cute little Timmy can go right on bending over in the “top echelon dining rooms” for the pleasure of his “financial mogul” johns - and political pimp Obama can go right on doing to the rest of the country what Barney Frank would probably like to be doing to glammer guy Geithner.
Report thisBy Reards, April 30 at 2:54 pm #
The bank bailouts - started under Bush & Co - are wrongheaded. The bondholders of the banks have somehow convinced the political establishment - on both the left and the right - that they should be “bailed out”. The banks DID and DO need more capital, but they should get it by restructuring their debt and thus make their bondholders take a severe loss. When you provide financing to an entity that turns out to be far riskier than you thought and as a result, they lose money, then you made a bad investment and you too should lose money. Why has this risk been transferred to the government? Because the political establishment wanted it this way and so it is so.
In voting for Obama I thought “change” meant new politics, new people, unconventional approaches, unbeholden to the “mainstream” of politics; it did not, the establishment is still in control, just a slightly more left version of the last group.
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, April 30 at 1:48 pm #
By KDelphi, April 30 at 1:11 pm
I see no other way to beat them but at their own game. And we can only do that in DC. With lawyers for snoops for the pros in Law to direct the many laws that need to be written and repealed. The system right now is a no win for us in all directions. I have three good sons, 9 grandkids and a belly full of fire. Got to get going and soon to bring an end to this insanity. Hell I have no idea how long I can last at this pace but I will keep going long as I can. I know this as bad as it is here we still got the best pool table in the world. And there is far more of us than them and we are 3 to 5 million strong now and the entire world wants us to win. Not for just our sake but for theirs too. But all of this is just like raising a family it is little by little and when my middle son nearly got killed it was little by little every day until he got back on his feet. But we cannot give up or give in for if we do we will prove that we do not have the will to rule ourselves.
I comment on Care 2 and many folks from all over the earth are joining in. WHY because they know what is happening is not good for anyone. And few that Post on Care 2 are cynics but they have not a clue what the real enemy is. And you folks do. So please forgive me for being so bold to come back with some but that is the only way sometimes to get a clean slate. Or as some say today a TIME OUT, so read the below and I would love to send you or any one our business plan I trust everyone. Besides nothing is in it for me. Kim Webb want to stay involved at some capacity and she like me has worked tirelessly but for me who knows or even cares? All my work I do for the Lord and that is that. And help saving this great nation HE wants that done but with a new direction for Democracies to take.
WHO NEEDS HOPE?
All have read and seen the real problem. Not enough of us in DC to have a real VOICE any longer. The population of the USA when the Constitution was written then voted on was about 5 million now we are 325 million. Now for the 325 million of us we have about 700 elitist career politicians that run our county.
What we propose with the WTPA We the Peoples Advocates is to have 50 regions around the USA with each having as many districts needed to represent the will of the people. IE: New York city/state as one region might have 3000 districts or more Miami city/but state of Florida might have 200 districts. The amount of districts is equal to the populations—-we have calculated that the totals in each district should stay small so that all who have their VOICE heard and VOTES counted on each issue or matter tabled for discussion as in each districts needs, wants, wishes be forwarded to Washington DC to our Statesmen in Constitutional law to direct our 60 to 100 or more lawyers to write the laws we need the power push them along to our CONGRESS, SENATE to be passed.
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By KDelphi, April 30 at 1:11 pm #
DWIGHT—I tried “working within the Dem party” for many years…then, I left, and became a Socialist…i actually came back to vote for Clinton (boy, how stupid did I have to be!) and, then for Gore, because my brother in law went to Yale with Dubby and I knew what an ass he would be…but never again…I want to spend my time working on something that can actually help the uS…
I, similarly spent many years trying to work within the “health care system”, trying to “reform it from within”—-that didnt work either…sometimes, it is just too late…I have nothing, really, PERSONALLY against Pres.Obama—I am just tired of trying to “reform” a broken duopoly as people die in the streets…
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, April 30 at 12:57 pm #
KDelphi, April 30 at 12:51 pm
YES YOU ARE RIGHT BUT WHAT NOW——
FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER OR FLIGHT WITH EACH OTHER
OR TRY TO GET A PLAN TO WORK ON JOINTLY?
Report thisBy KDelphi, April 30 at 12:51 pm #
Pres Obama, when drawing up a credit card bill, meets with bankers…when he draws up TARP Funding, he meets with Wall St. He HIRES Wall St…when he wants heatlh “
insurance” reform, he meets with the insurance industry…
Please tell me, Dems, why you were up in arms when Bush formulated his energy policy around oil executives,, but, Obama hiring Wall St and the health insurance indutrsy is just fine…
Report thisBy rockinrobin, April 30 at 12:44 pm #
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Target and harm for personal profit and gain is exploitation folks; and THIS they claim is the way “democracy” works; it is a CRIME; misinformation given out by so called “authority” figures; misuse of law; judges who going along with the charade are more guilty than any criminals appearing before them; this starts at Fed, goes to St, to county to city; this is how the corruption flows;
Report thishttp://www.publicintegrity.org lists over 250 areas which the Gov is NOT doing it’s job; course not; it is a SCAM to siphon trillions of dollars thru; hillary C put $1000 in Wall ST to wake up to $100,000 return; less than 24 hours; license to steal, liars poker, just a few books telling how Wall St ripped Americans off with Gov oversight, knowledge and consent; there motto is “do what ever you want, whenever you want, however you want and never be brought to justice; and have as much money as you want for you, for friends and family; we have gotten away with it for years; THIS is what they are telling other nations bribing them with literally trillions of dollars to “do it their way”; politicians they claim are a “special” group and as “elected” they have the absolute right to do whatever they so choose to do & it will be backed up in a so called ‘court of law” who are well paid to put up with the “charade” as well; everyone wins but the PEOPLE, and the PLANET!
By DWIGHTBAKER, April 30 at 9:18 am #
PICTURE THE SAME AS POSTED
MR. PRESIDENT THOSE BOYS IN BACK
CLAIM YOU ARE THEIR BOSS
BUT YOU ARE NOT!
TIME TO WAKE UP AND
SEND THEM TWO PACKING
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
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Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, April 30 at 8:51 am #
HEY FOLKS WAIT—-THERE IS ANOTHER WAY
You have just read the real problem. Not enough of us in DC to have a real VOICE any longer. The population of the USA when the Constitution was written then voted on was about 5 million now we are 325 million. Now for the 325 million of us we have about 700 elitist career politicians that run our county.
What we propose with the WTPA We the Peoples Advocates is to have 50 regions around the USA with each having as many districts needed to represent the will of the people. IE: New York city/state as one region might have 3000 districts or more Miami city/but state of Florida might have 200 districts. The amount of districts is equal to the populations—-we have calculated that the totals in each district should stay small so that all who have their VOICE heard and VOTES counted on each issue or matter tabled for discussion as in each districts needs, wants, wishes be forwarded to Washington DC to our Statesmen in Constitutional law to direct our 60 to 100 or more lawyers to write the laws we need the power push them along to our CONGRESS, SENATE to be passed.
We are just a step away from having our web page complete but for now if anyone would like our Plan of action contact me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) and I will forward it along.
Report thisBy RdV, April 30 at 8:29 am #
After observing Obama’s Clinton retread appointments, Obama was asked, “Where’s the change” to which he responded that it was He, Himself, who acted as the vessel through which change flowed.
Report thisSounds like the world according to Bush.
For those who are wondering why he has surrounded himself with Wall St crooks and NeoCon warmongers—his response is, in order to get out of the mess we need to listen to the ones who created it—since they are the ones most familiar with the crime.
Sounds like the world according to Bush.
The difference between Bush and Obama:
Bush: “The United States does not torture”
Obama: (Long exasperated sigh and when pressed)“Waterboarding is torture”...mentioned in tiny little letters and quickly dismissed with: Can we please get passed this and move along, nothing to see here, move forward..let’s ignore this (and next I will send out all my aids and advisors to press for covering up the foul, bloody reeking mess, with a skip-along happy days ahead sing-along harmony.
By Carolyn Kay, April 30 at 4:51 am #
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>>Where is the socially conscious Obama we voted for?
He never existed.
And those of us who tried to tell that to the so-called progressive world during last year’s primary were kicked off message boards and not allowed to speak.
We were called stupid, white trash racists.
It will be a long time before those wounds can heal.
Carolyn Kay
Report thisMakeThemAccountable.com
By Outraged, April 29 at 8:28 pm #
Re: truedigger3
Your comment: “All the mesures you say Obama did is either didn’t
not take place or were just make-belief bullshitting
without any substance.
For example, releasing the torture memos. These memos
contained old information. Everyone knew that there
was torture.”
Yes, it did make a difference. Check out this story:
“A Spanish judge on Wednesday opened an investigation into an alleged “systematic programme” of torture at the US Guantanamo Bay detention camp, following accusations by four former prisoners.
Judge Baltasar Garzon will probe the “perpetrators, the instigators, the necessary collaborators and accomplices” to crimes of torture at the prison at the US naval base in southern Cuba, he said in his ruling, a copy of which was seen by AFP.
The judge based his decision on statements by Hamed Abderrahman Ahmed, known as the “Spanish Taliban” and three other former Guantanamo detainees—a Moroccan, a Palestinian and a Libyan.
Garzon said that documents declassified by the US administration and carried by US media “have revealed what was previously a suspicion: the existence of an authorised and systematic programme of torture and mistreatment of persons deprived of their freedom” that flouts international conventions.
This points to “the possible existence of concerted actions by the US administration for the execution of a multitude of crimes of torture against persons deprived of their freedom in Guantanamo and other prisons including that of Bagram” in Afghanistan.”
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Spanish_judge_opens_probe_into_Guan_04292009.html
Your comment: “Obama is Bush III , he is big business/moneny servant and another war monger. That it is the fact and calling him this or calling him that will not change that fact.”
He is NOT BushIII, from Rueters:
“WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Democratic-led U.S. House of Representatives Wednesday approved an expansion of federal “hate crime” laws—an effort that former Republican President George W. Bush had opposed.
On a vote of 249-175, the House passed and sent to the Senate a bill backed by the new Democratic White House to broaden such laws by classifying as “hate crimes” those attacks based on a victim’s sexual orientation, gender identity or mental or physical disability…..
.....“I urge members on both sides of the aisle to act on this important civil rights issue by passing this legislation to protect all of our citizens from violent acts of intolerance,” Obama said in a statement before the vote.”
http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE53S8IM20090429
I’ve already stated my position regarding the bailout.
Report thisBy truedigger3, April 29 at 8:05 pm #
outrage:
All the mesures you say Obama did is either didn’t
Report thisnot take place or were just make-belief bullshitting
without any substance.
For example, releasing the torture memos. These memos
contained old information. Everyone knew that there
was torture.
Piling money on Wall St. and the banksters while
refusing to help the auto industry and help save tens of thousand of jobs is disgusting. The auto industry problems stems from Wall St. shenanigans and the resulting economic crisis. He did almost nothing to help the common folks save their homes.
Obama is Bush III , he is big business/moneny servant and another war monger. That it is the fact and calling him this or calling him that will not change that fact.
By Wayno, April 29 at 8:02 pm #
Mr Scheer,
Report thisI have been progressively (remember that concept?) more frustrated by the self-righteous nitpickings of the supposed liberal bloggers.
Give us all a break and realize the Democrats won the election…and guess what…you weren’t elected!
Shocking, to be sure.
How about a little support for the general tenor of the new administration instead of putting on your green eyeshade and auditing Obama with the doggedness of the loyal (lol) opposition.
You’ll probably have lunch with Boehner before Timmy G snacks with a poor person.
Don’t pull one of those lame defections (read “Horowitz”...if I spelled it right) because you don’t get all you want.
Grow the heck up!
By blogdog, April 29 at 7:59 pm #
RE: ...we should OUST Summers and Geithner.
As if “we” could oust anybody - If “we” could really do anything, I’d opt for shutting down the Global War Of Terror, which the Obama team seems intent on expanding - at the rate it’s going, should snuff another 50K this year and with all the DU being spread around, it’s starting to look downright Malthusian…maybe a better handle for the POTUS.
Report thisBy Outraged, April 29 at 7:05 pm #
Re: blogdog
Your comment: “That’s the beauty of it - LEFT COVER”
That is not “cover”, these are the facts. Obama HAS done these things. I’m certainly not enamored with what’s going on with the bank bailout especially the choice of Geithner and Summers.
To claim he is fascist by reversing fascist measures or endorsing policy which conflicts with fascism, is ridiculous. Whatever it is, it isn’t fascism. There are/were fascist premises ALREADY in place when Obama took office, some of these he has addressed. There is much to do. For starters we should OUST Summers and Geithner. Next, the War Crimes should be investigated and the perpetrators brought to justice.
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, April 29 at 6:48 pm #
WORD just came back today from HOBO MOE AND INDIAN JOE sent on the bounty hunter mission to find all that supposed missing cash from the big banks vaults.
They had this to say. “Hey boys in CONGRESS you wasted our time——- thar ain”t no cash a missing that is REAL ——we found some funny goings ons on their books and stuff but no real cash a missing. Somebody big must have tolt yall some lies?”
So MOE and JOE being bounty hunters for nigh on 50 years Said “ You boys in CONGRESS wasted our time doing bounty hunting our only job and we need some bucks to help us get back on our feet again for all this wasted time. We thought you didn’t know nuttun when you gave us this har JOB and in that WORK we were called stupid “Os” that we AIN’T and taking insults right and left we are dun with your type—-so FEDEX us a check for $300.00 to cover our expense.
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Ole MOE AND JOE never got their check CONGRESS said no one around to sign it.
Report thisBy blogdog, April 29 at 6:26 pm #
RE: Obama is NOT a fascist. All of these measures are in direct conflict with fascist philosophies, ideologies and actualities.
That’s the beauty of it - LEFT COVER - NEOCONS failed- got big thumbs down about 3 years ago - Air Force mutiny aborted Cheny’s Barksdale Nuke destined for Iran - the New World Oligarchy agenda advances under Obama’s New Left Cover.
Report thisBy Outraged, April 29 at 5:34 pm #
Re: bluelori
Your comment: “Great article obama is a fascist”
Obama is not a fascist. If you seriouly believe this you have no idea WHAT a fascist is, endorses or believes.
If Obama were a fascist, would he have signed the Lilly Ledbetter Act? Would he have signed the Omnibus Land Act? Would he have ordered the closing of the Guantanamo Bay facility? Would he have ended illegal torture practices? Would he have signed legislation to expand healthcare for children? Would he have ordered that all federal agencies suspend enforcement of “midnight executive orders” pending review? Would he have released the “torture” memos?
Obama is NOT a fascist. All of these measures are in direct conflict with fascist philosophies, ideologies and actualities.
Report thisBy KDelphi, April 29 at 5:32 pm #
Thank you , Schear…as long as Wall St is running the govt, there will be no justice. Some are so afraid of really changing anyrthing, that they feel that they must defend Pres. Obama. He is rapidly indefensible.
As long as the middle class is still reasonably comfortable, nothing will change…
There were/are plenty of alternatives to what Geithner, Summers and Obama are proposing,(lets stick them in there together, from now on, ok? Obama chose them..) and, they have been discussed by posters here many times…
DWIGHT—good post. No biblical verse…thanks.
Night Guant—yes and Pres. Obama has promised to deliver on CAFTA, and the Panamanian FTA, impoverishing more in all countries involved. Oh, yes, Geithner and Obamas’s stock points will go up a little…I am not going to separate Pres. Obama s’ actions, and those of people whom he CHOSE anymore—no one else should, either. He is ultimately responsible.
Jason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Ever include opposing opinions in your wanna be “elite” media cabals?” Ah, yeah, . I look and there you are again. There are just GOBS of neo-conservative sites. This is what one would call a moderate site. If you want some true liberal or pgoressive or socialist sites, I can give you some. Watch your blood pressure.
RdV—Yep. Pres. Obama is not Bush, and that is about all they have left.
Report thisBy Spiritgirl, April 29 at 3:26 pm #
“He still wants to give more money to Citigroup, which has just been found woefully short of cash by Treasury’s auditors, and has not stopped Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac…...”
Ah hello!!! If these banks didn’t pass those “stress tests” that they were given, why are they getting more money!? What happened to bailing out the people, firing the “too big failures” along with Geithner & Summers - now that’s the change we really need!!!!
Report thisBy bluelori, April 29 at 2:31 pm #
http://www.businessinsider.com/were-too-corrupt-to-fix-the-financial-system-2009-4
Report thisBy bluelori, April 29 at 1:39 pm #
Did Bernanke Paulson commit banking fraud
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/1054
Report thisBy omop, April 29 at 1:14 pm #
Left wing…right wing…...bailouts… bankers….federal reserve…fire geithner….hire summner…bonuses…caps.
Until and unless the “government of the people, by the people and for the people” gets to enact legislation that is quite specific as to what “the speed limits” of Wall Street and the Bankers are…we are going to have “bubbles” and unlimited law breakers.
It should not be an impossible dream/task. already in the US close to 200 million Americans observe the 70 mph on the interstate.
Report thisBy bluelori, April 29 at 1:04 pm #
Great article obama is a fascist who works for the banks had the media vetted him prior to crowning him the messiah they would have known that! He voted for the banks on the bankruptcy bill too…
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_pam_mart_080226_obama_s_money_cartel.htm
http://bluelori.blogspot.com/2009/04/100-days-of-change-for-worse.html
http://bluelori.blogspot.com/2009/04/fanniefreddie-5-trillion-fraud.html
http://bluelori.blogspot.com/2009/04/all-hail-government-sachs.html
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, April 29 at 1:02 pm #
Night-Gaunt, April 29 at 12:39 pm
GOSH YOU TOOK OFF FROM THE OTHER SITE AND OLE TRUEDIGGER COME AROUND—-WHY did you leave? Did you get tired of ole LEEFELLER and ME?
Report thisBy rg, April 29 at 12:56 pm #
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why don’t you put the president’s e mail address.
Report thisBy CB, April 29 at 12:40 pm #
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What they do with the money is irrelevant. The basic structure of our monetary system is what is at fault.
Report thisU.S. taxpayers have given the banks HUGE loans at 0%, free of all interest. They then loan out the money at 4-5% interest.
That is money creation. They take the money we give them and fan it into billions more through the fractional reserve system, then they make huge profits from the interest. We GAVE them money that they will hopefully loan back to us at a higher interest.
I realize this is a simplified explanation but how else can it be phrased? The truth and reality of this situation repels the mind and forces one to not understand.
This is robbery. Aside from the inequality of the system in place there is the general graft and deceit that goes with it, thus making our system even more inefficient.
All the talking heads get on TV and mention their economic theory stating that the whozeewhatsits are up and the so and so’s are down but no matter what crime is committed we have a consistent mantra in this country which continues to support NOT prosecuting anyone.
The issue is not giving the banks what they want, it is finding and prosecuting all these wretches for the crimes committed against the people of this nation. It is re-establishing a monetary system that allows money to be used for trading goods and services not wealth in and of itself. The money we use carries a stigma of debt in it’s creation. The problem is not banks but the banking system and it’s ingrained inequality.
By Night-Gaunt, April 29 at 12:39 pm #
Yes the sooner the glamour of Obama dissipates the sooner we can all see him the way I do. Just a prettier version of the Dominionist cabal who want to bring down the republic and build their empire of God in its place.
Remember Clinton and how he facilitated NAFTA, GATT, WTO and the elimination of Glass-Stegall? Our friend? No only a wolf in sheep’s clothing but a very good agent for the enemies of our state. [Certainly keeping Wall St. alive and the banksters in business is bad for most of us.] Both his and Obama’s along with the rest of them in either party have other agendas. Even if they may not know all of it themselves. Greed can blind one to other things.
Report thisBy Outraged, April 29 at 12:30 pm #
Re: Jason!!
Your comment: “You run a far left wing extremist blog and surround yourself with those who hate.”
AND:
“Hate conservatives, hate christians, hate jews, hate anyone that does not support your extremist position.”
“Far left wing”, LOL. Been listening to Bill O’Really lately, have ya’?
From Crooks and Liars:
“Nonetheless, it’s enough for O’Reilly to call the cartoon an “atrocity” and “garbage” and accuse the Times of “pushing a hateful, far-left agenda,” while the heads of the Times, NBC, and other “far left” outfits are “doing an enormous amount of damage to this country” and are “haters.”
Then he invites on Karl Rove to talk about that NYT cartoon, and Karl happily obliges by making the subsequent attack on NYT publisher Arthur Sulzberger as vicious and personal as he can:
O’Reilly: What did you think when you saw that cartoon in the New York Times yesterday of the Statue of Liberty with a whip? What did you think of that?
Rove: I thought Pinch Sulzberger was right to worry about why he had to sell his building and his stock is in the toilet, and I’m glad it is.
O’Reilly: But weren’t you offended as an American? I mean, that is just the lowest!
Rove: Look look look, I’m from Texas! I’ve met this little Pinch Sulzberger. He is an elitist, effete snob, who thinks he knows better than the rest of America and has views that are distinctly outside the mainstream of what America’s all about.
[Note to Karl: You’re not from Texas, at least the way most Texans I know define being “from Texas”. You’re from Utah by way of Nevada. Big diff. But the tough-guy talk is duly noted, anyway. We’re convinced. Really.]”
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/oreilly-and-his-friends-get-nasty-an
Be sure check out the clip of your pal at the link. LOL. What does it say about someone who quotes Rove and O’Really….lol… (Good job staying with the “story-line” though…..lol)
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, April 29 at 12:24 pm #
Jason!!, April 29 at 11:24 am
Could you be talking about those that POST THE MOST?
Gosh I thought I was there only target, did that bunch try to offend YOU TOO?
Report thisBy RdV, April 29 at 12:19 pm #
Jason!!‘s version of hate would be anyone who isn’t in lock step with zionist Christian conservatives. Sort of like those who charged intolerance towards those who were opposed to intolerance.
Report thisBy Jason!!, April 29 at 11:24 am #
From the Robert Scheer bubble…
Ever include opposing opinions in your wanna be “elite” media cabals?
Look in the mirror pal. You run a far left wing extremist blog and surround yourself with those who hate. Hate conservatives, hate christians, hate jews, hate anyone that does not support your extremist position.
So where do you get off by trying to point fingers at Obama when you are in the same boat?
Mee thinks you just mad he turned you down for a cabinet position and then, ambassador. Any other political positions you sought and were turned down for?
Report thisBy Tommy Tucci, April 29 at 11:21 am #
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STIMULUS PLAN PLANNED INSANITY
“IT’S A PYRAMID SCHEME STUPID
The current financial hysteria facing the entire
world today is the the creation of a
“REVERSE PYRAMID” scheme.
http://21stcenturyreversepyramid.blogspot.com/
Report thisBy AS, April 29 at 10:24 am #
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Readers may be interested in some of the recently published research and “second opinions,” on the subject of Obama’s economy advisors and their currently employed policy:
For instance, on April 3, 2009, NYT published JEFF ZELENY’s research article saying that, “Financial Industry Paid Millions to… Lawrence H. Summers, the top economic adviser to President Obama, (who) earned more than $5 million last year from the hedge fund D. E. Shaw and collected $2.7 million in speaking fees from Wall Street companies that received government bailout money, the White House disclosed Friday in releasing financial information about top officials.”
Isn’t this the ultimate embodiment of the conflict of interest?
As for the “Timothy Geithner’s latest bank-rescue plan…,” two Nobel Prize laureates expressed their opinions that Obama may be wrong, if he were to blindly follow Mr. Geithner’s plan:
1) FIRST came from Mr. PAUL KRUGMAN, published, in one form or another, in his NYT op-ed columns; than, Mr. Krugman also expressed his “despair,” in the April 6, 2009 issue of NEWSWEEK by saying that: “Obama has apparently settled on a financial plan that…assumes banks are fundamentally sound and that bankers know what they are doing…he and his economic team are out of touch,...their economic vision is clouded by excessively close ties to Wall Street.”
Mr. Krugman has had a remarkable courage to persevere, at the time when our arrogant policy makers, who have never been held accountable for their past failures, are once again in the position of power “rearranging the (old-used) boxes.” His “laments” have also been superbly summarized and presented in the April 6, 2009 Newsweek, although Jon Meacham’s editorial reminded us all that “...democracy depends on the willingness of those in power to consider dissenting views.”
(As if trying to prove that Jon Meacham is right, Newsweek, April 13, 2009, tells the story of North Dakota Senator Byron Dorgan that “makes you sick!” Back in 1994, he apparently became fearful of “exotic new derivatives…;” he than publicly predicted the consequences, and “introduced several pieces of legislation to regulate it, but (his) warnings were widely ignored!” At the present time, once again, Senator Dorgan is advocating dramatic changes in our financial system, but like Mr. Krugman, he “remains worried that modernization can’t put a patch on things…” When Newsweek asked Mr. Dorgan: ” How confident are you that real reform can happen with SUMMERS by the president’s side?”-he responded- “I offered the president my advice about financial advisers early on. I’ll leave it at that.”)
2) SECOND opinion was published by the NYT on March 31, 2009, in an article written by JOSEPH E. STIGLITZ who stated: “THE Obama administration’s $500 billion or more proposal to deal with America’s ailing banks has been described by some in the financial markets as a win-win-win proposal. Actually, it is a win-win-lose proposal: the BANKS WIN, INVESTORS WIN— and TAXPAYERS LOSE.”
Than Mr. STIGLITZ goes on to explain this statement, in a way that even people with XX brains, let alone those with XY ones, could understand it: “Consider an asset that has a 50-50 chance of being worth either zero or $200 in a year’s time. The average “value” of the asset is $100. Ignoring interest, this is what the asset would sell for in a competitive market. It is what the asset is “worth.” Under the plan by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, the government would provide about 92 percent of the money to buy the asset but would stand to receive only 50 percent of any gains, and would absorb almost all of the losses. Some partnership!”
Report thisBy RdV, April 29 at 9:47 am #
Because Bush was so deeply unpopular after 8 years, Obama is given wide latitude simply because he is not Bush. For now he is viewed seperately from his unpopular policies and appointments—but that can’t be sustained. The sooner, the better.
Report thisBy Ivan hentschel, April 29 at 9:03 am #
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I am joined (on-line) by several fellow readers who agree that Dwightbaker talks too much…however…
There is a giant and conspicuous disconnect between the reality that nearly everyone seems to be able to identify (i.e., this article), and Obama’s aloof, arrogant distance and blatant ignoring of it, as regards Geithner,Summers the banks and Wall St. His refusal to acknowledge or comment on it in any meaningful manner (not to mention the complete failure to take any effective corrective action)would seem to saw the legs off the platform we elected him on which to stand.
He is not untouchable or infallible, and if he believes he has achieved that status, then we have a much bigger problem than many are willing to admit.
Report thisBy DWIGHTBAKER, April 29 at 8:41 am #
truedigger3, April 29 at 7:53 am
I think you commented on the wrong site——who is shear?
Report thisBy truedigger3, April 29 at 7:53 am #
Shear wrote:
“Where is the socially conscious Obama we voted for? E-mail him and ask.”
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I wouldn’t waste my time writing an E-mail. It is futile.
Report thisObama is a fraud who deceived everybody with his
blackness, toothpaste smile and good oratory.
Wall St. and the banksters selected him and financed
and worked for his election. He is their man and he
will do anything they ask for.
During the election campaign, many warned of his
duplicity and bullshitting and were savaged by
the so called progressives.
“Where is the socially conscious Obama?” Ha Ha, what
a funny question. It is like asking for your money
back from a con artist after he spent it.!!
By DWIGHTBAKER, April 29 at 7:48 am #
Timothy Geithner is a child prodigy that was groomed by father and grandfather to do what he is doing today expanding the Ford Foundation and their cronies’ goals. He spent much of childhood in Africa where his influential parents and grandparents had deep roots into that political culture.
Larry Summers tutored him for years. And the lunch dates certainly proves that his prodigy and pundit status jumped started his political carrier.
But does that long connectivity with the Ford Foundation and their partners and views on how the world should be run cast a serious doubt and concern who he really works for? It does for many.
And Geithner heading up our treasury has proved to have consequences that we cannot bare. His stated goals and aspirations for us are out of step with most others. His personal appearances raises doubts to how he stands on the issues, that again has lead many of us to have concerns about him knowing all the game plans each step of the way. And that leads us to consider who does he serve, those of us the offended or those that committed the offenses. Thus the record is clear that he jumps to and serves the wills and mandates of the offenders.
And should this entire banking crisis be a PONZI scheme as many have said, and if Geithner job is to disguise that so his benefactors can go undiscovered to that end we would be foolish to not raise a red flag every day until he is replaced. For at the end of the day we have Geithner representing the Ford Foundation and all their associates on one hand and two Larry Summers on the other?
Entrepreneurs are needed to restructure our government not political pundits and puppets doing what they a told behind closed doors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Geithner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_School_Bangkok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_H._Nitze_School_of_Advanced_International_Studies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_H._Nitze
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/unbearable-vagueness-timothy-geithner
http://documents.nytimes.com/geithner-schedule-new-york-fed#p=3
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By Sleeper, April 29 at 7:46 am #
These bailout are just the last phase of rob the taxpayer and give to the pirates
Report thisBy Sleeper, April 29 at 7:41 am #
I like this piece because it sheds real light on some of the unsavory members of Obama’s Cabinet. The working men and women who have incomes less then $150,000.00 per year need assistance. Those above that line need to work a little harder for the money they get their hands on and people like Geithner need their suggestions scrutinized before they are pushed through Congress.
Report thisBy Purple Girl, April 29 at 7:26 am #
Having been duped by the Clintons Twice in the ‘90’s- the Reunion of Geithner & Summers does cause me pause.
Report thisSeems Summers is far less interested in resolving this mess, than burying his own shit in the kitty litter box called TARP.Perhaps he figures his age will assure he never sees prison time for the Clear Economic Treason he and his cronies committed (starting with Greenspan)
Geithner, I think sees the noose outside his office window. Perhaps it’s because of his age I give him this benefit of the doubt, He’s gonna live a long time- so retribution through proscution looms larger. He screws this Up and even Obama won’t be able to save his ass from the lynch mob.
The reality is that this Treasonous ‘Trickle Down’ has become so ingrained in our financial system- the Sadistic Culture of Greed- that it is so widespread and imbedded, We ahve little choice at this point than to try to delicately exorcise it. One false move, misstep and the entire systme collapses.The extent of this ‘Grip’ is not jus ton our nations ‘Balls’ but on our very Heart- along with other nations around the World.
In essences WE have become too big to fail. Our rise to a superpower made US the heart of the World economy, other nations not only thrive off our conspicuous consumption, But survive off our Generosity and Protection. This economic meltdown is nto merely about US and our Middle Class- but the entire global community.
And perhaps that is the Key to reining in these Corp Raiders.It’s one thing to be concerned about Prosecution through the US legal system, another to potentially face prosecution and punishment under a Foreign legal system. Consider China’s method of Justice when their Export Minister screwed up their reputation and revenue by allowing tainted products to be shipped out. That was the epitome of ‘Swift Justice’
Lets be honest the end result of these Financial Wizards was Economic treason, resulting in human suffering here & around the world, thus a crime against humanity. Instead of threatening these CEO’s with prosecutions under say RICO, we let them know their crimes will be considered International, thus subject to not only international laws and courts- but those particular Countries they have effected. Just as much as War crimes (torture, Rendition,black sites and Hit lists) have international implications, so does this economic meltdown.
By drklassen, April 29 at 7:03 am #
Fire Geithner, hire Krugman.
Report thisBy wanked, April 29 at 6:14 am #
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Little Timmy is BAD news. I would like Obama to tell us why he is a good choice for treasury secretary. He wouldn’t be there if O didnt want him there.
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