Thank you Dwight, you proved yourself worthy of a “cluck, cluck” as I predicted. If you can’t give a thumbnail of it just as if you were pitching it to others to ignite interest then your 7,000 words won’t be good for much of anything accept for a door stop and dust gatherer. Your writings reminds me of Alfred Rosenberg and his turgid near impenetrable writing style.

Night-Gaunt, May 12 at 1:50 am

Good night folks Dwioht is tired

Go down to some obscure place and send me an e-mail with no name I don’t fear any man so just blank name—-ask nothing—except [offer] I will send you the 7000 word plan in detail but it is still in the making as time progress but the core is founded on good principles.

Shalom

Being a Straw Man, Dwight, you are quite light on your feet and billow thusly in the least amount of wind. Verbal or otherwise that stir you. As to our collective problems, I don’t mince words nor puff myself up in any case. I am interested in clarity of thought and deed. Not in personal vanity or egotism of any kind. It is one to where the best we can do is flood them with letters and E-Mails and such to all levels of gov’t and hope it responds to us. Yes, I said hope. Remember Bush & Cheney laughing at us when we did it to them? We don’t need a group but it can help in an organizational fashion. We don’t have too many other choices that don’t play into ‘their’ hands. Violence would just be put down with greater violence and accomplish nothing for us.

What is your idea oh ponderous one? And please don’t take 1,000 words to say it. Can you do that? Are you articulate enough to do it? Prove it to me Dwight for I am a doubting Thomas to you.

P.S. I know when you chicken out as you have before. Please don’t disappoint me again. It would be just sad for you. The crocodile tears will flow then.

Night-Gaunt, May 12 at 1:11 am

Who needs to use brass knuckles on you?  Most blow hart’s just blow over or they just fade away for the test of time does them in—-maybe that is your fate.

Now the big question is this Mr. Big Shot——-what’s your plans to get President Obama to do the right thing?  GO TO THINKING and those that think long think wrong most of the time.  So come back while I take a bath. Will check on you later to get your plans for man.

When a line is drawn in the sand the lighter weight cat always crosses first and that is his last dance.

The sand box out back might be your refuge.

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Ah yes, Dwight Baker the dissembler and obscurantist. If he is doing this on purpose, he is earning his money for awhile. Till we all tire of his cut and paste fallderall and constant haranging to go to his web site and “help the people.” If you piss him off or frighten him he will come after you. He has for me and failed when the brass knuckles hit the nitty gritty he wilted as the Straw Man he personifies. Best to ignore and move on with the blogging.

As to the subject matter if Obama doesn’t prosecute the torturers and stop aiding the banksters then he isn’t much for change or defending the republic he swore to protect.

By garth, May 11 at 7:15 pm #

You said, “ From the start though, the persona, DWIGHTBAKER, seemed a little crazy. 
As it went on, though,
And you asked to exchange some sort of lists,
And offered, your what turned out to be your loaded,
It became obvious that this was not just crazy;
It was stupid and deceitful” 

Now what does that mean to me? Not a thing. You are trying your best to deceive even more. Your words are condemning you and you just come back to the slop pail to do more harm than good.

Are you a fool or stupid or both?

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Dewey,

I think you’ve gone on long enough.  From the other posts, it looks like you are just drawing attention to yourself, which would seem to make matters worse.

From the start though, the persona, DWIGHTBAKER, seemed a little crazy.  As it went on, though, and you asked to exchange some sort of lists, and offered, your what turned out to be your loaded, it became obvious that this was not just crazy; it was stupid and deceitful. 

If you are getting paid for what you do then you should admit it, that you are out of your league.  If you are getting paid for what you do, then you ask yurself the next time you masturbate, “Is this all there is?”

For your persona’s sake, DWIGHTBAKER, I will add, God Bless you.

By garth, May 11 at 6:07 pm

Please do what you must and get a handle on this kind of stuff going on at Truthdig.

Please keep me advised. 
Dwight Baker
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By garth, May 11 at 6:07 pm #

Hey Dewey (DWIGHTBAKER) of Huey, Dewey and Louie:

Knock it off!  You’ve gone on long enough.

My first post describes what happened.  It’s like computer forensics, you know, man.  I know you understand.

But, I am trying to remain polite.

Now, Shut up!

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By DWIGHTBAKER, May 11 at 5:35 pm #

By garth, May 11 at 5:23 pm #

Now don’t run away or go away Garth I want an apology first, second an admission of guilt, third a statement you will clean up your act on TRUTHDIG.

Not for my benefit but yours.

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By DWIGHTBAKER, May 11 at 5:29 pm #

By garth, May 11 at 5:23 pm #

I’ll let my post stand as is.

Note to self: I should’ve known.

Yes you should have known not to get caught in a lie——that is the reason felons cry not that they are sorry but that they got caught.

If you are a Jew try reading the Ten Commandments. 

If you are a gentile read the Laws about defamations of character lawsuits and the proof is right here for an easy win.

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By garth, May 11 at 5:23 pm #

I’ll let my post stand as is.

Note to self: I should’ve known.

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By DWIGHTBAKER, May 11 at 5:23 pm #

By DWIGHTBAKER, May 11 at 4:55 pm #

Where are you now Garth we are still waiting?

By garth, May 11 at 4:44 pm

MAYBE A TRY TO BE CLEVER MOVE GARTH

Post please what you tried to do [site address or whatever] so all others can find out that being a false witness is not a good thing to do. 

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By DWIGHTBAKER, May 11 at 4:55 pm #

By garth, May 11 at 4:44 pm

MAYBE A TRY TO BE CLEVER MOVE GARTH

Post please what you tried to do [site address or whatever] so all others can find out that being a false witness is not a good thing to do. 

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By garth, May 11 at 4:44 pm #

DWIGHTBAKER,

I tried to open your website and got a message that warned that the website I was trying to open was trying to read my hard drive.

Now, Dewey Baby,  why do you think it would issue such a warning?

I have littel memory of any of horsepucky you wrote, so I can’t add other testimony.

But clicker beware!

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By Leefeller, May 11 at 3:41 pm #

Baker

Let the fanatics rule the world, they will anyway,  history has suggested so,  one fanatic replaces the other, in the end it will not matter, except to the underdog fanatic looking ahead, or the fanatic in charge looking behind. 

It is Monday, hasn’t Hedges done his weekly sermon yet?

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By DWIGHTBAKER, May 11 at 3:09 pm #

By garth, May 11 at 12:50 pm #

By Leefeller, May 11 at 12:37 pm #

By garth, May 11 at 11:50 am #

I agree here with Night-Gaunt,

By Night-Gaunt, May 11 at 11:32 am #

We live in the Chinese curse of interesting times. I
wish it would stop.

Night-Gaunt Monday, May 11, 2009

Take a look back and tell me what you do to this forum?  Any one passing by and reading this crap would just go on never stop to have any kind of a serious dialog about saving our nation.  Yet you say I WISH IT WOULD STOP!  If so why don’t you stop this chit-chat-mindless wondering and haranguing and do something about it like any man/woman or it would do.  Do you really not care?

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Hey Dewey (DWIGHTBAKER) of Huey, Dewey and Louie:

Knock it off!  You’ve gone on long enough.

My first post describes what happened.  It’s like computer forensics, you know, man.  I know you understand.

But, I am trying to remain polite.

Now, Shut up!

By garth, May 11 at 5:23 pm #

Now don’t run away or go away Garth I want an apology first, second an admission of guilt, third a statement you will clean up your act on TRUTHDIG.

Not for my benefit but yours.

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By garth, May 11 at 5:23 pm #

I’ll let my post stand as is.

Note to self: I should’ve known.

Yes you should have known not to get caught in a lie——that is the reason felons cry not that they are sorry but that they got caught.

If you are a Jew try reading the Ten Commandments. 

If you are a gentile read the Laws about defamations of character lawsuits and the proof is right here for an easy win.

I’ll let my post stand as is.

Note to self: I should’ve known.

By DWIGHTBAKER, May 11 at 4:55 pm #

Where are you now Garth we are still waiting?

By garth, May 11 at 4:44 pm

MAYBE A TRY TO BE CLEVER MOVE GARTH

Post please what you tried to do [site address or whatever] so all others can find out that being a false witness is not a good thing to do. 

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By garth, May 11 at 4:44 pm

MAYBE A TRY TO BE CLEVER MOVE GARTH

Post please what you tried to do [site address or whatever] so all others can find out that being a false witness is not a good thing to do. 

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DWIGHTBAKER,

I tried to open your website and got a message that warned that the website I was trying to open was trying to read my hard drive.

Now, Dewey Baby,  why do you think it would issue such a warning?

I have littel memory of any of horsepucky you wrote, so I can’t add other testimony.

But clicker beware!

Baker

Let the fanatics rule the world, they will anyway,  history has suggested so,  one fanatic replaces the other, in the end it will not matter, except to the underdog fanatic looking ahead, or the fanatic in charge looking behind. 

It is Monday, hasn’t Hedges done his weekly sermon yet?

By garth, May 11 at 12:50 pm #

By Leefeller, May 11 at 12:37 pm #

By garth, May 11 at 11:50 am #

I agree here with Night-Gaunt,

By Night-Gaunt, May 11 at 11:32 am #

We live in the Chinese curse of interesting times. I
wish it would stop.

Night-Gaunt Monday, May 11, 2009

Take a look back and tell me what you do to this forum?  Any one passing by and reading this crap would just go on never stop to have any kind of a serious dialog about saving our nation.  Yet you say I WISH IT WOULD STOP!  If so why don’t you stop this chit-chat-mindless wondering and haranguing and do something about it like any man/woman or it would do.  Do you really not care?

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By Leefeller, May 11 at 12:37 pm #

Well, Kucinish’s wife is not hard to look at, nor her display of intelligence to listen to. A most pleasant combination. Am I being sexist?

+++++++++++++++++++

Yes, you are sexist, and next in line.

Well, Kucinish’s wife is not hard to look at, nor her display of intelligence to listen to. A most pleasant combination. Am I being sexist?

I agree here with Night-Gaunt,

By Night-Gaunt, May 11 at 11:32 am #

”Kucinich, OMG! The Chinese have a proverb….“we live in dangerous times when short men have big reputations.”  save us from Kucinich…..”—Camp

Why pick on him when he has been the consistent one on change and working to fight the status quo unlike Obama who didn’t really have much of a resume? If Kucinich were in charge we would see that “too big” would be dismantled and any bailout money would be at a price for those organizations that would get it. Or they would be nationalized. If it didn’t aid the public good then it wouldn’t happen. We could trust him to end the torture and rendition. Not just talk about it.

We live in the Chinese curse of interesting times. I wish it would stop.

————————————————————
I was going to vote for Kucinich in the primary, but he didn’t stay in the race long enough.  I voted for McKinney.
Kucinich later published his story about how he stood up to the Cleveland Banks and Power Comapanies, and I was sure that he would have been the ideal candidate of whole bunch.
An interesting epilogue noted that all the major players opposing Kucinich and the people fo Cleveland in that struggle went out of business or drifted off to another feeding trough.

I, too, wish we lived in led interesting times.

The news on all fronts is getting worse.

”Kucinich, OMG! The Chinese have a proverb….“we live in dangerous times when short men have big reputations.”  save us from Kucinich…..”—Camp

Why pick on him when he has been the consistent one on change and working to fight the status quo unlike Obama who didn’t really have much of a resume? If Kucinich were in charge we would see that “too big” would be dismantled and any bailout money would be at a price for those organizations that would get it. Or they would be nationalized. If it didn’t aid the public good then it wouldn’t happen. We could trust him to end the torture and rendition. Not just talk about it.

We live in the Chinese curse of interesting times. I wish it would stop.

True Dwight you are correct and I was off topic. Watch that ‘spell check’ crack because you produce some doozy’s yourself. [Not even counting you ludicrously incoherent ramblings. I would put mine up against yours any day on coherence, diction and relevance.]

Obama has squandered his time & effort by letting the senate and himself be a party to prop up the bankers and speculators with billions that won’t ultimately help our economy or by extension ourselves.

Ah! Typos, the bane of blogging. Though for some it seems typing with ones toes may be a viable excuse.

By Night-Gaunt, May 2 at 1:44 pm

Poor Nightguant

What was all that about and for whom did you address and seems you lost spell check was that intentional? 

Also could that blurb been seen to be off beat—-not in line with the forum and totally rid of all relation to the theme——Obama Has Missed His Moment

Therefore you and others have referred to some of us as being trolls——but you commenting that way do you call yourself one too?

By KDelphi, May 2 at 3:19 am

I am going to do what Folk said, and, get some paint, like my ancestors….gotta go get drunk first..

Please dont drink and drive must be back to watch over the dorm filled with you boys.

Actually the Picts of ancient Briton used the woad leaf to color their bodies and even tattoo themselves with many interesting shapes and forms on their skin before they went into battle. Rather like the Arikawa, who went naked and painted their bodies and lived in the ‘American West.’

One the things I am comfortable with and would find good company in pagans is their lack of problems with casual nudity and the love of the natural world. Certainly better than the anti-Humanism of the Abrahmic religions and their Cult of Death.

Sodium—Good points and well taken. I am impatient with Pres Obama ad i am with all Democrats. Id just like to see some progress before i die..as a society, we have alot of catching up to do…or falling back—which is it?

thebeerdr—you should post some of your music at your website.

I am going to do what Folk said, and, get some paint, like my ancestors….gotta go get drunk first..

Sodium,

Thanks for the suggestion and comments.  I did take a quick look at the article you mentioned, and will be commenting on it later.  Many topics to choose from, I usually wait for a number of posters comments to help me along.

When you mentioned the title ““Do We Use the S-Word” by Scott Tucker”. I thought the “S” was a reference to salt, of course I was curious. Thanks.

Sodium—ONe more thing—I do not “hate Pres. Obama anymore than I hate any of these guys in DC.

I am just angry. It is true..I get angry and let people take me off topic…

Sodium—Points well taken, and, I am mulling over the rest…

Folktruther, April 30 at 11:53 pm #

Beerdoctor- you can’t take everyone and everything seriously. I kind of like the poetic images that occasionally punctuate the gibberish.  Just quietly follow the example of the Druids and don’t read the stuff if it gets your goat.  Also it mught be fun to paint yourself blue and dance naked around the campfire at night.  Depending on the company.
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Not to mention generating massive amounts of gibberish on his own!  Still, next to DwightBaker, FolkTruther is Silent Sam…aren’t we all?

Delmazio: Where did you get your economic training?  Ask for your money back!

Dwight Baker                                                       Friday, May 01, 2009
We the Peoples Advocates WTPA

To ALL COMMENTING and to Bob Scheer Editor and Zuade Kaufman Publisher of TRUTHDIG

Just a bit or two posted as comment today regarding the religion of the ones who POST the MOST.  As I expected it is Druid or Celtic in content but to a more passionate degree it is Mercenary in taking back what they expect has been stolen from their Pagan rites to profess their beliefs on others, It too is just one more of the failed and faulted religions that lasted a mere 200 years at best. But it has been re-awaked in the USA and Canada and a good part of Europe now. For the stress of their religion is based on an upheaval in violent revolution to usher out others and usher in mother earth and many conspire plan and are motivated that only way is BLOODSHED for those against their call to conquer. Just the same ole same ole putrid call to arms that has led many people to their early graves. 

Please address these concerns for the many of us sane the follow the etiquettes of forums that enhance human dignity in all acts of the rights of life for everyone found at the bar of justice with equity.

thebeerdoctor, May 1 at 6:57 am #

Thanks everyone for the encouragement.
No, I do not take
The nonsense of the
DWIGHT BAKERS
Of this world
Too seriously,
But like KDelphi pointed out,
Scrolling past
That nonsense
Can get to be a pain.
Completely off topic,
But to lighten things up,
I would like to mention
That one of
My most
Important healing therapies
Is music?
(I am a musician also).
So it is with great joy
That I recently heard
Dr. Lonnie Smith’s
Most recent
Hammond organ CD,
Rise Up!
An incredible bluesy,
Funky, what’s burning?
In the kitchen
Soulful record
That just
Knocked me out of my chair.
The last track on the CD,
“Voodoo Doll”
Is so beautifully mysterious
That the deeply
Religiously afflicted
Would be
Sent packing
For their bibles.

Anyway,
As the
Great Van Morrison
Would say:
Until will get the healing done.”
Peace to all,
This
First of May Celebrating The Pagan Soul
Friday morning.

Thanks everyone for the encouragement. No, I do not take the nonsense of the DWIGHTBAKERS of this world too seriously, but like KDelphi pointed out, scrolling past that nonsense can get to be a pain.
Completely off topic, but to lighten things up, I would like to mention that one of my most important healing therapies is music (I am a musician also). So it is with great joy that I recently heard Dr. Lonnie Smith’s most recent Hammond organ CD, Rise Up! An incredible bluesy, funky, what’s burning in the kitchen soulful record that just knocked me out of my chair. The last track on the CD, “Voodoo Doll” is so beautifully mysterious that the deeply religiously afflicted would be sent packing for their bibles.
Anyway, as the great Van Morrison would say: “Until will get the healing done.”
Peace to all, this first of May Friday morning.

Beerdoctor- you can’t take everyone and everything seriously. I kind of like the poetic images that occasionally punctuate the gibberish.  Just quietly follow the example of the Druids and don’t read the stuff if it gets your goat.  Also it mught be fun to paint yourself blue and dance naked around the campfire at night.  Depending on the company.

How can I filter DWIGHTBAKER?  Imagine how much better the discussion would be without his interminable non-sequiturs and meandering sentences, pronouns without antecedents, impenetrable references to other threads in his mind.

Folks.  The most important determinant of survival of a discussion on the Internet is the ratio of signal-to-noise.  The goal of DWIGHTBAKER is to increase the noise, the irrelevancy and blather, to destroy the viability of this forum.

thebeerdr—thanks. dont stop posting.

I believe in everyone being able to post whatever they wish. I thought that I felt that way, absolutely. If you have been around awhile, you know that , particularly Democratic supporters have posted some pretty mean stuff to me and maybe vice versa.. thats ok. I have trouble understanding why it has to become so personal, but, ok. (leave my dad or any personal details I may have given some on here, early on—not you beerdr—out of it though, if i made the mistake of telling you about myself once… its cowardly). But, cheez!! I had an very old pc and, arthritis in my hands, and when I have to scroll and scroll just to be lectured to, it is not fair. I try not to make it personal—maybe I dont always achieve that. But, if I make the same arguments, at least they are mine….if you have an “agenda” here, it is supposed to be political, not religious…

Go ahead and post, but, stop repeating and repeating, and repeating, and repeating..its just using religion as an excuse not to have a valid argument…

re: KDelphi

You perfectly hit the nail on the head. I too grow tired and bored of the same idiotic religious rant by folks who think in their delusional minds that they are verbally the “flail of the Lord”. Enough! What is suppose to be a salon for political discussion gets wrecked by this bent out of shape approach, until even folks who have something worthy to say are ignored, because you have to scroll past too many ravings by those who actually belong on some apocalyptic web site, where they could prepare for the end of days storing up on cases of Jiffy Pop.
Even posters with positions I don’t agree with are entitled to say what they think without being subject to those who have the nerve to believe that they know what is best for them metaphysically. Unbelievably rude.
With this in mind, I am not going to post comments anymore. Why bother?

The problem with preaching at people is that you can only preach to the choir, for the most part…I grew up Lutheran, being forced to go to catechism, blah, blah, blah…. Evertime I hear the “rise” in Pres. Obama’s voice, I just tune 0ut. Its automatic. He sounds like a preacher!I DONT WANT TO BE PREACHED TO, and, when it is combined with cruel comments, it is really just too much..I know the “history” of the US blond haired blue eyed plastic jesus on the dashboard..I dont need to hear any more and I wont read it.

The probelem with you, DWIGHT, is that i have a hard time even knowing what you are trying to say..I THINK I’ve been insulted, as they say…but I really cant tell!!

I am bored to death with it, and, even if someone has a few good points, I will just , almost, automatically, scroll past it, if I see preching.

Freedom of religion, also includes my freedom from it. People can say that it is not true but, we all know about the “Founding Fathers” “christianity”. We know that they came here to plunder land and avoid taxes.

it was, and atill is .all about money. Thats why it is called Capitalism.

Maybe it is left over from my time in the service. We were told to respect the rank, but we did not have to respect the man.  The difference is when one uses absolutism’s as opinions, their is no room for discussion. This may also answer part of your previous question.

Ones accomplishments worthy as they may be, mean very little here.  As for religious Prioritizing, Hedges does his share, posters using it on the thread can be annoying to some, for me I have heard it all and find it rather boring, I cannot speak for others. If this was only a religious website, I would not be here, unless I wanted to antaginize or argue religon. 

In the end, opinions are worthy of discussion only if one desires.

re: DWIGHTBAKER

Perhaps I can clear this up, for he who posts more than any other on Truthdig, that would be you DB, no matter how many times Leefeller, KDelphi, or many others have tried to inform you. Let us let a quote from your own screeds speak for itself:
WHERE JESUS CHRIST RULES AND REIGNS OVER PLANET EARTH AND SUMMONS HIS HOLY ANGELS TO PERFECT HIS RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENTS WITH MERCY AND/OR RETRIBUTIONS.

You got to love that “with mercy and and/or retributions”. And DWIGHTBAKER, who constantly complains about those who “post the most” has the unmitigated chuztpah to call the beer doctor a sociopath?
As the late Graham Chapman of Monty Python would say: “stop that, that is just too silly!”

Leefeller, April 30 at 1:43 pm

What is here is a CAFÉ where folks come to chat but what we don’t have interpersonal things needed for some one like me to walk in and just begin to chat.  We have no visual expression to base our senses on, now that is not good and is bad.  The folks that care for and never meeting them but on the internet by chatting we have exchanged pictures with each other—-kids, dogs, houses, my wife, that is being connected.  So me coming around like you explained was in a way rude. But how else can one come? Now I am a creator and to my credit I have had 13 US patents registered to me.  I am an entrepreneur and never worked much at all for the other man.  Been on my own. Saying I know how to mope the floor make sales calls and get results, stay out of the bars past bed time, balance a check book, hire big shots, drive all night to make a customer happy, get on my knees and pray for a fallen employee on my watch. Go to court and defend the down and out, get money from Social Security for the mentally disabled, plant a garden, wash the dishes, change oil in my car, I am just an ordinary guy.

And with my ideas on forming our own lobby hell man I may be way of base.  And I don’t mind making a U- TURN when going in the wrong direction.

Now all that just being typed in my tiny cave I call my office could have been said in less than a minute or two while sitting back having a cup of coffee.

So I am not trying to defend myself but just to explain.

(...continued)

Starting in July 1818, the government and the Second Bank began to see the difficulty they were in. The enormous inflation of money and credit, coupled to massive fraud, had put the Bank of the United States in real danger of failing and illegally failing to sustain silver/gold coin payments. (specie = silver/gold coin)

“Over the next year, the bank began a series of heroic contractions, forced curtailment of loans, contractions of credit in the south and west, refusal to provide uniform national currency by redeeming its shaky branch notes at par, and seriously enforcing the requirement that its debtor banks redeem in specie. In addition, it purchased millions of dollars of specie from abroad. These heroic actions, along with the ouster of bank President William Jones, managed to save the Bank of the United States, but the massive contraction of money and credit swiftly brought the United States its first widespread economic and financial depression. The first nationwide “boom-bust” cycle had arrived in the United States, impelled by rapid and massive inflation, quickly succeeded by contraction of money and credit. Banks failed, and private banks curtailed their credits and liabilities and suspended specie payments in most parts of the country.” (p. 88)

“Out of the bitter experiences of the panic of 1819 emerged the beginnings of the Jacksonian movement, dedicated to hard money, the eradication of fractional reserve banking in general, and of the Bank of the United States in particular. Andrew Jack-son himself, Senator Thomas Hart “Old Bullion” Benton of Missouri, future President James K. Polk of Tennessee, and Jacksonian economists Amos Kendall of Kentucky and Condy Raguet of Philadelphia, were all converted to hard money and 100-percent reserve banking by the experience of the panic of 1819. The Jacksonians adopted, or in some cases pioneered in, the Currency School analysis, which pinned the blame for boom-bust cycles on inflationary expansions followed by contractions of bank credit. Far from being the ignorant bumpkins that most historians have depicted, the Jacksonians were steeped in the knowledge of sound economics, particularly of the Ricardian Currency School.” (p. 90)

The panic of 1837 was not due to silver/gold, but rather to the price and money inflation of the Second Bank of the United States. Rothbard goes in some detail here with a brilliant examination of the causes and effects (p. 97-98).

The panic of 1857 also was not due to silver/gold, but rather the government’s general suspension of coin payments/redemption as banks over-expanded and got into trouble. They did this to prevent a run on the banks. Naturally, the effect was inflation, and subsequent credit contraction. Interestingly, in 1857, an important part of the Jacksonian coinage program was repealed, as Congress, in an exercise of monetary nationalism, eliminated all legal tender power of foreign coins.

And as a general overview of the national banking period:
“The financial panics of 1873, 1884, 1893, and 1907 were in large part an outgrowth of ... reserve pyramiding and excessive deposit creation by reserve city and central reserve city banks. These panics were triggered by the currency drains that took place in periods of relative prosperity when banks were loaned up.” (p. 154)

and:

“The financial panics throughout the late nineteenth century were a result of the arbitrary credit-creation powers of the banking system. While not as harmful as today’s inflation mechanism, it was still a storm in an otherwise fairly healthy economic climate.” (p. 167)

Here is a link to the free online edition at the Ludwig von Mises Institute. It will be more than sufficient if you read Part 1 which covers the time period up until the turn of the 20th century. http://mises.org/books/historyofmoney.pdf

truedigger3,

I beg to differ. When the currency was based on gold, the economy, time after time went through long periods of severe contraction because the supply of money, on and off, didn’t keep pace with the growing economy. There were also occasional periods of inflation with large gold discoveries like what happened in europe after the discovery of the Americas.

History shows otherwise. I would suggest you read the very illuminating and entertaining “History of Money and Banking in the United States” by Murray Rothbard. This is a fascinating account that reads as a topsy-turvy ride through 19th century money politics, with myriad footnotes and support for his well-researched conclusions.

If you read this one book, I can assure you that you will renounce your current view that the government should be the sole issuer of a non asset-based currency. Not only, but it will show that silver/gold was not the cause of boom-bust cycles, but rather paper money that was operating in a fractional reserve system that was not 100% backed by silver and gold—only a percentage thereof.

Prior to the War of Independence, it wasn’t silver/gold coin that caused the boom and bust cycles, but paper currency issued by the various colonies which was being used alongside silver/gold coin by irresponsible and short-sighted colonial governors in an attempt to pay for what they could not afford. This resulted in Gresham’s law of bad money pushing out the good, as the paper was more widely available and also redeemable in coin. However, the rate of redeemability was continuously adjusted downward by free market forces as colonial governors issued larger amounts of paper currency, which resulted in a boom-bust economy with the massive increase in price inflation that ensued. When this was realized, paper issue was retired in favor of silver/gold coin and the transition resulted in a temporary contraction of paper credit until prices stabilized. At which time the economy functioned quite smoothly, until the next wave of short-sighted government spending that once again issued paper to pay for everything it could not afford.

“A detailed study of the effects of paper money in New Jersey shows how it created a boom-bust economy over the colonial period. When new paper money was injected into the economy,
an inflationary boom would result, to be followed by a deflationary depression when the paper money supply contracted.” (p. 54)

And it was inevitable that the paper money supply contracted, as runaway inflation ultimately results in worthless paper, and therefore a contraction of real credit.

Although coin was later used to back paper currency, it was never 100% backing. The numbers reported in the historical records showed an average between 10% to 35% reserve backing depending on the conditions of the time in the early 19th century. This fractional reserve banking allowed for inflationary expansion of the monetary base. When merchants demanded redemption of paper for coin, the banks would frequently not be able to redeem, and so many bank failures resulted. The result of this is that the government suspended the banks requirement to redeem paper for coin.

“From this point onwards, every time there was a banking crisis brought on by inflationary expansion and demands for redemption in coin, state and federal governments permitted the general suspension of coin payments while bank operations continued to flourish. It thus became clear to the banks that in a general crisis they would not be required to meet the ordinary obligations of contract law or of respect for property rights, so their inflationary expansion was permanently encouraged by this massive failure of government to fulfill its obligation to enforce contracts and defend the rights of property.” (p. 76)

(continued…)

truedigger3,

I beg to differ. When the currency was based on gold, the economy, time after time went through long periods of severe contraction because the supply of money, on and off, didn’t keep pace with the growing economy. There were also occasional periods of inflation with large gold discoveries like what happened in europe after the discovery of the Americas.

With all due respect, this is a myth. The supply of paper credit was plentiful—overly so. The money of the day was largely paper issue that was only partially backed by silver/gold. By partially I mean fractional reserve banking was employed throughout, with typically as little as 10% silver/gold coin backing paper. This allowed the banks to generate far more credit than they had coin. This was ultimately the cause of inflation and the many boom-bust cycles.

Also, the large gold discoveries in California, Russia, and Australia, which reached a peak in 1850, had relatively very little impact on the purchasing power of gold since gold was a world-class commodity, tradable internationally. Yes, this did result in a slight drop in the purchasing power of gold from a silver-gold ratio of 15.97-to-1 in 1849 to 15.32-to-1 in 1860. But compare that to the double and triple digit inflation figures throughout the 19th century with paper issue that was only partly backed by silver/gold and then repeatedly suspended because of an inability to redeem in coin. Is there really any comparison?

Now, the paper money is issued on the request of the Federal reserve sytem which is privately owned and that money is lent back to the government and charging interest for that which is strange.

Yes it is very strange indeed.

The privately held Federal Reserve should be nationalized and the issuance of money be only by the governmnent. If the supply of money kept pace with the economy and the money was lent only to produce or buy products and services and NOT to finance gambling and risk taking in Wall St. , then the economy will be stable without inflation.

What you are asking for is government restraint in how they spend paper money. History shows that government cannot be trusted as unlimited paper money is too great a temptation for government. The underlying purpose of silver/gold as 100% backing is to place shackles on the governments ability to arbitrarily spend on various gambling, and risk taking activities. Enter the need for full-reserve commodity backed currency to force government to be honest. If we *could* trust government to be honest, disciplined and responsible, then you are right, technicallly, we don’t need silver/gold. But this is not being realistic.

I’ve included a brief history of money and banking in my followup post if you are interested, with a link to a wonderful resource that goes into great detail.

thebeerdr—Excellent post…

Sodium—I agree with you, in that, the one thing I really like about Pres. Obama, is that people do seem to like him. That is good. And, with libs and neo-libs, it pretty much seesm to apply, no matter what he does (or doesnt) do…

Everything else he does would seem to be done in half measure. We are in desparate times, and, less passivity is called for!! And it is very frustrating to me that, about all anyone seems to be able to say is, “hes not Bush”...well, neither is my neighbors’s hamster.

DWIGHT—No. I dont “get it”. I was trying to laugh at a joke…that is all. I dont recall posting anything like that before. Yes, I “get around” and proud of it—why waste your life? Actually, I am with one man now, so I am a little settled, but never married again. NOt insane enough to do the same thing twice and expect a different result..My sister went to OSU—whats your point? With the Blue blood Ivy League, track record, I am proud to have gone to a little private liberal arts college (back when it want too expensive)—it was Quaker—but I seldom heard religion mentioned. You see, they believed in actions, not words. I am an atheist, but, my profs were some of the most decent people I have ever met. Some were Quaker atheists.. and then I went to a state university, on a full fellowship, from a hospital bed (my friend on the Harley taped the classes for me—I wasnt going to pass up a Fellowship, after haivng been a high school dropout), and, then in a wheelchair for two years. I had to learn to walk again in a pool. (praying didtn really seem to help)I do fine now. I am not some rube, ok? (There are 2 PhDs and a law prof in my family, ok? we just arent rich—used to be middle class—never again)Your bourgeoisie attitude is showing…thebeerdr a “sociopath”? (do you have a license to do that diagnosis? Because I do, but I would never diagnose on a word processor…its unprofessional). He has more compassion for the people that need it than any so-called christians I have talked to on here—certainly more than the CHURCHES…sometimes you make a good point. Then, you just go off the rails.

This is not a religious based website. If you want that, go to a religous based websiet.

“judge not lest ye be judged” Another mean ass christian…unless I completely missed your point, OR you dont have a point…

When a person enters a room and acts as if they own it, demanding respect and common courtesy, while providing neither. What is to be said of earning respect and showing common courtesy for one side but not the other?  Entitlement of Royalty sounds like to me?

Leefeller, April 30 at 12:43 pm

Well said short and snooty. So what is the reason all that post the most do so? 

Could it be to just have some easy bait to come along and say WE TOLD YOU SO?

So Leefellar tell me here or on my e-mail.

MY TAKE it is to be grave robbers.

In the end,  outrage becomes history, as compliance subsides though great sales pitches.

Mr Hedges, we haven’t suffered enough yet in this country to demand being uncoupled from this rapacious, soul-sucking economic system we have. And the sheer size of this nation defeats those of us in favor of such a dismantling. We cannot organize any effective action on our behalf since most of us who are fortunate to have a job cannot risk leaving it to shut down anything. Alas, this isn’t France. France is about the size of Texas. France has a safety net. We don’t.

Just a few short weeks ago, there was so much public outrage (I almost want to place that inside quotation marks)on display. What has become of it, and where has it gone? So, we work, pay the bills, and are happy our jobs provide healthcare benefits. Any suggestions?

By Leefeller, April 30 at 11:35 am

IS THAT ALL THE CORPORATE GROUP OF THE ONES WHO POST THE MOST COULD COME UP WITH????  Behind enemy lines buried in their foxholes with ole Murdock but still connected with each other cell phones, real e-mail #’s and such just like they have out thar in DON’T GIVE A HOOOT OWL.

Well the Female Marines must come in now and try to save the day for the ones that post the most but the women work to feed all so must wait on them to get home so they can draw down on ole Baker.  Give me some quotes from HOMER, EGYPTIAN DEAD BOOK, and all that stuff that really makes a mind wonder when ingesting the real good stuff along with lots of beer.  Now you boys just kicked back doing your thangs, by jangs just keep up the chit chat inside jokes derision quotes from who knows who and try and make your illegitimate case and just be assured that some day a REAL DRUID taskmaster will come along in your own mindless perceptions and declare your fate and there will not be a trial but just instant retribution.

For some one pretty profound once said beware of what you want? You might just get it.

Looks to me yall got it.

re: Leefeller

Message from the Druid enabler: a celebratory response to our individual differences is quite good, providing that no one seeks to enforce their “vision” upon another’s path. The Dwights of this world think that their HOLY VISION IN THE BLESSED LAMB ETC relieves them of any responsibility to be civil to their fellow citizens, because after all, they are DIVINE inspired. Here are two links you might find useful:

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2009/04/there-are-no-geniuses-in-the-outhouse.html#more

http://beerdoctor.wordpress.com

In Hoot Owl, down the road a neighbor lady, who I do handy work for, like fixing leaks on her roof or raking leaves for her, she asked me to go to her church with her on Sunday, she promised their would be food.  At the time I did not know their wouldn’t be any beer. So I went with her.

People seemed nice, but they looked at me kind of funny, I sort of felt like a pork chop. What really scared me was when their eyes went weird and they started talking in tongues, especially the guy in front, even when he were not talking in tongues I did not know what he was talking about, plus he seemed to yell a lot?  What I am getting at is,  this Baker guy reminds me of going to Church and seems like the guy in front of the chruch, except Baker seems to write in toungs, wonder how he talks?

Beerdoctor, I seem to understand what you are talking about, though I may not agree with it all, but appreciate different ideas, shouldn’t that be what it is about? I don’t care what Baker says, I like the idea of a Beer Doctors, how do I find a beer doctor? Looked up beerdoctor in the phone book, guess Hoot Owl is to small for one?

CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT THE ONES WHO POST THE MOST ARE FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE OF THE DRUIDS?

Buffoonery has its place, but sometimes it just becomes crazy, and when it comes to crazy, well, we are full up here.

DWIGHT BAKER the all caps poster seems to have difficulties in recognizing that being a compassionate soul does not necessarily mean embracing the milksop sentimentality that the poster with the all CAPS moniker [CROSS] advocates.

MY PRAYER IN THE ALMIGHTY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OUR KING NOW IS———ALL MY HOPES, AMBITIONS FOR YOUR SUCCESS [ OBAMA] AND MY PRAYERS WILL BE BATHED DAILY IN THE HALLOWED CHAMBERS WHERE JESUS CHRIST RULES AND REIGNS OVER PLANET EARTH AND SUMMONS HIS HOLY ANGELS TO PERFECT HIS RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENTS WITH MERCY AND/OR RETRIBUTIONS.

They always need some higher authority to tell them what to do, whether it is government, Obama, a church, or some campground revival tent.

Extremely difficult for those who must seek guidance [leadership direction supervision management control regulation] [regulation RULE of LAW] outside their selves? 

Beerdoctor—- I want you to really look over what you just stated for all and me too. Your declaration is that of a sociopath.  Is that what you have become?

Also in that you see no need to have the RULE of LAW.———- Thus is that what the ones who POST the MOST advocate self-elitism because of your demand for?  A giant stride back in time when the druids demanded———-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druid———with their own self will as some divine one?

To absorb the wisdom of “you are your own with everything”.

That involves a leap of thought, not faith.

Thought is dangerous to the entrenched powers, because if a person begins to think, he or she just might begin to question their authority.

To prevent this from occurring, many resources are devoted to fortify television, which provides the infotainment so vital to keeping the whole charade in operation.

So pervasive this is that television is not just a propaganda organ, but also rather a Pictogram oracle.

re: DWIGHTBAKER

Buffoonery has its place, but sometimes it just becomes crazy, and when it comes to crazy, well, we are full up here. DWIGHTBAKER the all caps poster seems to have difficulties in recognizing that being a compassionate soul does not necessarily mean embracing the milk sop sentimentality that the poster with the all CAPS moniker advocates. Dwight, or should I say DB, becomes frustrated to the point that it becomes a duty to attack TBD, claiming that the old beer doctor must be ashamed of his/her/it’s father.
Well you know what they say out on the backyard grill: poke it with a fork, I think it’s done.
Funny how someone who supposedly advocates kindness and compassion finds it necessary to excoriate those who do not love their offered (pro bono) wisdom. Leefeller’s rather funny comments about his yard and life, I marvel at, not because they are how I live, but how he chooses to. In a civil libertarian society, celebrating our unique individuality is what true freedom continues to advance. Unfortunately for the righteously anointed, this will never do. They always need some higher authority to tell them what to do, whether it is government, Obama, a church, or some campground revival tent. Extremely difficult for those who must seek guidance outside their selves to absorb the wisdom of “you are your own with everything”. That involves a leap of thought, not faith. Thought is dangerous to the entrenched powers, because if a person begins to think, he or she just might begin to question their authority. To prevent this from occurring, many resources are devoted to fortify television, which provides the infotainment so vital to keeping the whole charade in operation. So pervasive this is that television is not just a propaganda organ, but rather a Pictogram oracle.

KDelphi, April 30 at 1:12 am

HAVE YOU GOT THE COFFEE ON?
I DO—IT IS 2:15AM HERE

Couldn’t sleep down here in Eagle Pass it is raining in the desert.  I MEAN REALLY RAINING. No I mean flooding.  No I mean continuous flooding. Well KDelphi you get around so you know what I mean——GET IT?

My Dad work long and hard everyday of his life finally he just got worn out.  He then got a case of the Alzheimer then cancer in is throat then he went on.  When I was in high school I was a cinder burner and got a free ride to Oklahoma Christian College to run track. Edmond Oklahoma was to be my home for some time running track for OCC.

Most of my other buddies in high school was not as fortunate as me so they went on up to OSU in Stillwater to go to school drink booze and run and gun for the best chicks around.  Some of my best buds ended up pledging for a frat house called Phi K Alpha I think.  But what they had there was a free run till the frat house mom seldom come around to shut them up.

So maybe you are kinda like that here on TRUTHDIG.  You carry the switching stick to calm all down when out of bounds and out of line to your way of thinking.

And for one around here with the most limited respect I think you got a good job.  Cause these boys to run and gun and break all the speed limits but way down in the bottom of their scorched souls rest humanity but not much.  But guess what I still luv them for what they can become some day if taught right not wrong.

So kinda like a warden you got to get with the program no parole for them that continue to offend.

what the hell happened here?? boys, boys, boys…what did you do, have a stroke when you pissed on an electric fence because you couldnt stand to leave the satellite dish, to go to the outhouse,afraid to miss a moment of Pres. Obama’s enchantment with the military? (oh, I did get a lump in my throat with the one about Churchill…{sob}, but, to pretend that the UK doesnt torture people—-lol!)Or did all the A+‘s on CNN enchant you…so gooey..Hillary got an A+!!

Austria, Schmaustria…they were all stuck up when I was there for one night—couldnt afford any more than that…I wanted to buy a coo-coo clock, but I didnt bring gold…

DWIGHTBAKER, April 29 at 8:42 pm #

Hey, I am on a good mission that is in the final stages of completion. So I know where I am going but do you? 
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Nope. Not a clue.  I have NO idea where you are going.  But you sure are on a mission to get there!

Me? I’m going to live till I die and hope I bring somebody some joy and hope I’ve found some joy on the way. Plus I’m gonna try real hard not to hurt anybody and to make sure my sons can make it through THEIR lives.

LEEFELLAR

Yep I like a sense of humor to break the ice of some that have got a corn cobb stuck between their left and right back side cheeks. Some guys have never learned to loosen up and have a real life like real me are to do. Guess some around here are want to be east coast blue bloods NOT ME.

Why was my Hoot Owl post, posted again? Something about Baker did not like my post so he reposted it? Some people like to learn things the hard way, sounds like pissing on an eclectic fence to see if it is working. Why is baker upset with the Beerdoctor and other posters.  He sure has lots of hissy fits. 

ITW, why would you ask if I have ELECTRICITY, when you know I use an ELECTRICITY drill for patching holes on my roof, then plugging the holes with corks?

Buttwipper you mean Budwiser, that’s American beer don’t you know, used to get a beer called Gresydick, but cannot find it anymore.  Everyone has head that beer did not make Bud wiser, not Buttwiper, that would not work.  I have tried skunky beers, they go better with food.

Inherit The Wind, April 29 at 8:19 pm

Hey, I am on a good mission that is in the final stages of completion. So I know where I am going but do you? 

I think NOT.  Wherever you hang you hat makes me no difference. Wherever you spend your money makes me difference. Who ever you like to have over for a burger and beer makes me no difference. How many times you been in trouble of any kind at anytime makes me no differences.

But let me tell you this I do care how you folks treat each other and the other less others that stumble into this den of retards.  What you say and how you offend those folks by you Internet opaque thugs is just bad to the bone. So right is always right and wrong is always wrong and the ones that POST the MOST have not a clue what that means.

So bottom line not long from this day the ones that post the most will be left far behind many others and me eating the dust from us that we brought about to saving our Great Nation.

By thebeerdoctor, April 29 at 7:26 pm

Seems to me that the ones who post the most in nonsense inside jokes, derision, mockery and disdain just love their turf here on TRUTHDIG.  Take notice all——when they began hunting like a pack of hungry hounds nothing that is sane or sound or remotely mentioned that is about kindness or caring is attacked by all at the throat of the teller.

Now we all know and especially me that I am not welcome around these parts like some others, but I don’t care about them that post the most but I do care about the innocence ones that show up to try to converse and get beat up with unkind words and then say, “  What the hell and leave.” 

Now old thebeerdrinkingdoctor is an AKA for what I do not want to know I guess he/she/it is ashamed of his/her/its father.

Now old the beerdrinkdoctor was real fond of this piece that old LEEFELLER did at 11:37 and the rest of his line of bull crap goes into deep reflection of what all that really meant to them. So I copied and pasted so all could read with some kind of not to been seen clarity.

By Leefeller, April 29 at 11:37 am #

In Hoot Owl, were I live, we don’t much care about politics, except when they try to tell us to move stuff off the front yards or when they try to take our guns away.  Right now I am working on the engine of my old dump truck in the front yard, the engine is sitting in the back of my old pickup a 53 GMC, which has not run for years, at least I don’t have it filled with garbage like my neighbors, instead. I find it handy to keep empty beer bottles for recycling, so I am green. A pickup bed makes a great work bench, so I am working on the engine of my dump truck and lay the parts on the old couch, of course on top of newspaper.  Have to keep the windows and doors closed, because on my pickup and dump truck, to keep the chickens out.                   

Seems like every year we get some uppity politicians coming down from the county or state offices wanting us to clean up our front yards?  This time they really seemed upset about my pride and joy. A refrigerator, which I keep stocked full of beer, I have to keep a big pad lock on it, because of the neighbors. It is handy to keep cold beer in. .  I think the refrigerator is kind of artistick too, because I painted it red white and blue. The county guy, did not seem very patriotic and he wouldn’t take a beer, when I offered,  like the sheriff guys do?. He muttered something about an eyesore and handed me a piece of paper, said I have to clean up my yard.

He even complained about the empty beer bottles in the back of my pickup, everything was listed, the couch, the school bus, which I use to let the chicken roost in.  Worst of all he insulted Freddy Monza my custom painted 53 Chevy, painted Aqua and Gray with writing on the side and bulls eye on top, I may get Freddy running after I fix the dump truck. This is not the whole list, but you get the idea.

Don’t know about you, but I am tired of all this harassment by governments, when is it going to stop?  Well, I am heading down to the donuts shop see if they have any day old donuts or buy a bakers dozen which costs more.

Geez, DB, you need a hobby or something! Did ANYONE read through those reams of static in the bandwidth?  C’mon guy, going through life annoying people on the internets can be fun but it’s not a career!

Truth3: You know every word I said about the attacks on Obama beginning even before he had the nomination are true.  “The Contingent” was hot on burning his ass then and hasn’t stopped.  He’s not what he never claimed to be and just pisses off “TC” no end!  So they say he’s no different than Botch, which is like saying a donkey is no different than an elephant.

FT: You’ll always come back to the same thing, won’t you: Socialism is the only answer, even though its failures are even more spectacular than those of Reaganomics free-booter false capitalism, which is what has sunk us.  You’ll never learn, even when it’s right on your own front lawn.

Leefeller: Do you actually have ELECTRICITY for your red, white and blue beer cooler?  And do you stock it with that panther piss they call Buttwiper?

re: Leefeller

I think the comment posted at 11:37 am gets close to the heart of the matter. A true libertarian for the people recognizes all the idiotic meddling into our personal lives. As Mark E. Smith posted on another thread, as of April 1, of this year, the Obama administration raised the federal tax on rolling tobacco by 2,200 percent. And just who exactly does that tax hurt the most, whether you smoke tobacco or not? Do citizens in this country really need some well oiled politicians in Washington deciding how to live their lives? Apparently, as Garth on this post has pointed out, too many fall into the prebaked partisan divide that finds it quite convenient for a docile electorate to only think about matters in terms that the ownership group with all their money have deemed to be suitable to consider. It is no wonder the country has no national health service. It is not surprising that the insanity known as the war on drugs never ends, but is only amended to make the punishment appear a little less severe. Face it: government wants to decide what you are to eat, drink, and whom to marry. It plays the part, much too often, of meddlesome arbiter in deciding what constitutes a family. It continues to harass anyone who challenges their authority with contrary views by detainment and imprisonment without any legitimate charge. It creates a punishment ethic for the powerless while maintaining and further enabling the tiny minority who own this country, to make a mockery of all civil and criminal law.
Whether you claim to be a Republican or Democrat, you are actually showing allegiance to a political system, that at best is raw theater for a very phony puppet show. Even folks who are admired by the left, such as Dennis J. Kucinich, perhaps should not be so enamored of the Cleveland congressman. During a recent “show” (they are known as hearings) in which he gave Neel Kashkari, the director of the banking bailout, a nearly four hour verbal bitch slapping, it was reported by the Washington Post, that later, behind closed doors, Congressman Kucinich told Kashkari: “Don’t take it personally. I think you’re doing a great job.”

NEWS FLASH

WORD just came back today from HOBO MOE AND INDIAN JOE sent on the hot trail as bounty hunters to find all that supposed missing cash from the big banks vaults.

They had this to say.

“Hey boys in CONGRESS you wasted our time——- thar ain”t no cash a missing that is REAL ——we found some funny goings on’s on their books and stuff but no real cash a missing.  Somebody big must have tolt yall some lies?”

So MOE and JOE being bounty hunters for nigh on 50 years

Said “ You boys in CONGRESS wasted our time doing bounty hunting is our only job and we need some bucks to help us get back on our feet again for all this wasted time. We thought you didn’t know nuttun when you gave us this hare JOB and in that WORK we were called stupid “Os” that we AIN’T like taking insults right and left SO—- we are dun with your type—-so FEDEX us a check for $300.00 to cover our expense.

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Ole MOE AND JOE never got their check CONGRESS said no one around to sign it.

Dalmazio wrote:
“what we need to do is replace the existing debt-based fiat currency with an asset-based non-fiat currency. “
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I beg to differ. When the currency was based on gold,
the economy, time after time went through long periods of severe contraction because the supply
of money, on and off, didn’t keep pace with the growing economy. There were also occasional periods of inflation with large gold discoveries like what
happened in europe after the discovery of the Americas.
Now, the paper money is issued on the request of the Federal reserve sytem which is privately owned and
that money is lent back to the government and charging interest for that which is strange.
The privately held Federal Reserve should be nationalized and the issuance of money be only
by the governmnent. If the supply of money kept pace
with the economy and the money was lent only to
produce or buy products and services and NOT to finance gambling and risk taking in Wall St. , then the economy will be stable without inflation.
Of course all the financial gambling instruments
from, derivatives, CDS, mortage backed securities,
shorting of stocks, buying stocks on margin etc etc have to banned. Again the banking systems should
lend money only to produce or buy products and services and NOT to finance any shenanigans.
Glass-Steagal act and the rest of the New Deal financial regulations should be re-instated.

WHAT IS WORSE A BANK ROBBER THAT STEALS REAL CASH AND GETS AWAY?

OR A BANK ROBBER THAT CREATES THE ILLUSION OF CASH AND CONVINCES ALL TO HELP KICK SOME REAL CASH TO HELP HIM GET BACK ON HIS FEET?

THE WHEN GETTING THE REAL CASH MAKES A MAD DASH TO GET AWAY?

NOW WHO DOES GEITHNER SUMMERS AND FELLOW THIEVES THINK OR BELIEVE THEY ARE KIDDING? 

NOT YOU OR I.

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Night-Gaunt,

I studied Naomi Klein and I believe she is spot on in her depiction of disaster capitalism. However, Milton Friedman (of the Chicago School) is nowhere near the position of Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, and Schiff (the Austrian School). With all due respect, I believe you are confusing the two, as they could not be more different. Here is an excellent article to put Milton Friedman in the correct perspective as a staunch Keynesian, irrespective of what he has said or other say about him. Actions speak louder than words: http://www.mskousen.com/Books/Articles/exkeynes.html. Also, Rothbard’s deconstruction of Milton Friedman here is valuable: http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard43.html

Milton Friedman is not a true free market economist as many tout, because he advocates manipulation of the money supply and interest rates and consequently central economic planning (socialism). The Austrian school would cry anathema to the idea of a centrally planned economy. Which, by the way, includes Friedman’s recommendations to Chile’s Pinochet, as well as similar activities you mentioned in Argentina and Russia.

The Austrian school advocates a wholly other approach. It hinges on a sound currency system—an asset-based system that is fully backed by a commodity such as silver and/or gold, and no central economic planning whatsoever (neither manipulation of the money supply nor interest rates). This makes all the difference in the world and distinguishes a free market economist in name-only, such as Milton Friedman, from true free market economists such as those in the Austrian school. The sound asset-based currency foundation is crucial. Milton Friedman was not a believer in a sound asset-based currency system, and so his seemingly free market propaganda has and continues to have disastrous consequences. How could you have a free market when the Fed manipulates the money supply and interest rates? Centrally-planned economy or free market—you can’t have both!

I already know them Dalmazio and so do the Chileans, Russians and Argentinians too. Read Naomi Klein’s “The Shock Doctrine” to find out how that worked out.l When Rob Emanuel said about using disasters it sent a cold feeling up my spine. Right out of Milton Friedman and the others on using shock to swoop in and replace one organization with their own! It didn’t turn out well for all but those who wanted it.

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The truth is that government knuckleheads (Democrats/Republicans—same difference) haven’t the slightest clue what they are doing, nor do they appreciate the repercussions their actions will have on the economy. Why do we trust these people with either regulating or de-regulating that moves us towards increased central economic planning and unmitigated disaster?

The solution to all this is not a move towards socialism and increased government regulation. That’s just putting more control in the hands of our knucklehead government officials. And would you really trust them with even more control and power? Perhaps if they were truly enlightened oligarchs, I might consider it. But that is far from the case.

No, what we need to do is replace the existing debt-based fiat currency with an asset-based non-fiat currency. Otherwise the problem will simply repeat itself in a more magnified form at some point in the future. Why? Because, as Hyman Minsky (partly) correctly stated, this boom and bust cycle is built into the existing “casino”-style financial system. We must replace this little piece of valueless paper with a currency that has intrinsic value with mandatory full non-fractional reserve banking. A 100% commodity-backed currency using silver or gold. This would prevent governments and banking institutions from printing money when they wanted it, which includes any form of derivative and/or leveraging, and would be the greatest restraint on government spending, borrowing and bank lending, not to mention dramatically curtailing government’s imperialistic prerogative. This would be the end of the military-industrial complex, the end of the welfare state, and the dawn of limited government and a sound financial system.

See the writings of Ludwig von Mises (http://www.mises.org), Murray Rothbard, Friedrich Hayek, and more recently, Peter Schiff for more detailed discussions along these lines.

Hyman Minsky got it half right. Yes, much of this is the inevitable consequence of unregulated capitalism in our *existing* system. But one extremely important point that escapes the notice of most people is that our existing system is not a free market system. Our system is a centrally-planned system. Free market systems do not have central planners à la Volcker, Greenspan, and now Bernanke. The root of these problems goes deeper than people are willing to look.

Our economic system is fundamentally flawed. How so? It is based on a fiat currency system with no intrinsic value, a currency that is not backed by anything other than public confidence. Thought experiment: what would happen if the US dollar was backed by a commodity such as silver or gold? Would it be possible for the misguided Federal Reserve/government to print money according to their whims? No. Would it be possible for the Federal Reserve/government to set interests rates artificially low, thereby allowing for cheap and widespread credit, in turn facilitating the housing bubble and subsequent collapse? No.

The reason we are in this financial mess is not due solely to de-regulation. Yes, there was some de-regulation that took place, but there were also some really terrible regulations that were instituted, specifically, the Community Reinvestment Act. The problem is not de-regulation and overly free markets, but misguided regulation. The Fed made artificially cheap credit available, and the government encouraged and even forced banks (“twist my rubber arm!”) to extend that credit to poor-credit borrowers through regulations such as the Community Reinvestment Act. As a result, housing prices climbed about 50% in 7 years while all the traditional market forces were trying to pull these prices down through higher interest rates. But the Fed prevented this natural correction from happening through their forced low interest rate policy in addition to bad government regulation and de-regulation. Couple this to massive leveraging of these bad debts (20x-30x, up to 100x in some instances), and we have the current economic crisis.

The root of the problem stems from our debt-based fiat currency system. This system facilitates derivatives, leveraging, and fractional reserve banking. In our current debt-based system, the markets need to be very carefully protected from manipulative/interventionist forces (i.e., artificial interest rates), and greedy “casino” banking interests (i.e., derivatives, leveraging, and fractional reserve banking). These are the excesses pandemic in our current debt-based financial system. Hence the need for regulation. But regulation would not be necessary if the financial system was a real asset-based system, as none of these “casino” capitalism activities would be possible.

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Inherit, some of the things you want are possible under Obama.  But how can war and the roll toward fascism stop when class inequality is getting greater on Obama.  The rich getting richer and the poor unemployed. 

The lies and deceit of the mass media is based on the exploitation and oppression of power; if you steal from the people you have to lie about it.  But more important, you have to kill or threaten to kill an element, both at home and abroad.  It’s a serious question and I’m interested in your answer.

By thebeerdoctor, April 29 at 6:38 am #

Too many people fall into the linguistic rope-a-dope practiced by television news. The language of liberal and conservative, left and right, are convenient instruments to distract and confuse, so that the thievery and deceit continue unabated.
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I think you hit the nail right on the head.

A professor at a local college did a presentation on how tv advertising affected women’s self image.  She made a revealing statement.  That tv does not bring intertainment to audiences; just the reverse, it sells audiences to corporate advertisers.  They can guarantee percentages of viewers and the marketing firm can anticipate that a certain number will swallow the message without analysis.

I think the political snake oil salesmaen work in much the same way.  An interesting trend I’ve noticed on C-SPAN’s Washington Journal is that most callers simply echo the standard narratives put out by the news media.  Their opinions or statements range from A to B, and very rarely veer out of the news media’s proscribed parameters.  When a caller who thinks for himself or herself gets through, C-SPAN moves right along without comment or hangs up and says that the person called before less that 30 days ago. 
The political ad men can keep tabs on how their polluted messages are getting through simply by hiring a firm to watch C-SPAN.

By Leefeller, April 29 at 1:14 pm

I am sure glad to see you back I thought you might have dropped one of those heads on your toes. You know I had a bud back in Oklahoma just like you he wouldn’t take not help even if it was free.  I saw him one day take the hood off his 62 Chevy impala and he reached down and lifted the whole 283 out far enough and slide some 2x4 underneath took another big gulp of air and then set it on the ground.  I bet he could sure use some help around your place now and then. Hard to be a farmer of kinds.

Never heard of General Forum, but everyone around here knows of General Lee, no relation. Have a bust of General Bouregard we snuck out of Confederate park with my cousin biggies, tow truck. Don’t have any hogs under the house, glad too, because of this swine flue thing.

truedigger3, April 29 at 12:27 pm

GOSH I AM GLAD YOU ASKED, I have been compiling subject matter for a long time, and it is all in word.  So yes I have I do copy and paste out of word.  But all that you see and sometimes read is my work. I am a sane and sound American Patriot and I care about all folks and you too. We have all go to get together and get the ball rolling to take back our solvency and sovereignty and not piss it away. 

Your guys and gals knows what is wrong like most of the rest of us, so we got to lay down our hatches and knives and smoke a peace pipe and learn to get along as has been intended since mankind began. Tribes run together not like we are doing today—-divide and conquer is the oldest tactic there is for the tribe next door to come in rape, cheat, lie steal and kill all.

And that is what amazes me about you folks seems to me—- you guys want to do one of two things—-FIGHT or FLIGHT and right now neither of them is going to work.  To get this big job done to protect our families friends and kin we have got to work from the same page.

I THINK I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY SICKUM
Must have——- I hear the blood hounds running, hope they are not after me.

DWIGHTBAKER,

How come you produce such huge material in such short
time?? Are you trying to prove that you are a very
good in coppying and pasting.
Keep it up. You are making a lot of people laugh
which is a good thing.

Night-Gaunt, April 29 at 12:06 pm

Ole LEEFELLER just rung me up on his wall hanging phone out back where his washer machine is.

And he said “BAKE that NIGHT GNAUT is just gettun way to cereral on us round hare.”

“You thank you could find him some part time real E-Z work down thar?” 

I asked, “What can that boy do?”

“Well BAKE aint fur sure he can do nuttun.

He draws some checks from the govement but how hard is that to do? “

ITW wrote:
“But “TC” was trashing Obama before he got the nomination, before he got elected, before he got inaugurated, before he completed the “100 Days” and on and on they go.”
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That is not true and you know it. The criticism of
Obama started very late in the campaign when it was
obvious he the same ole same that is packaged diffently and that all what was coming from him was
his toothpaste smile, good but empty oratory without
any specifics and bullshitting.
The criticism intensified when he voted for TARP
and didn’t utter a word when Gaza was destroyed
by the Israelis resulting in more than 1500 deaths.
Then came his appointments for his cabinet that left
no doubt that he is rolling on the same tracks left by W Bush following almost exactly the same policies
with minor cosmetic modifications and make-belief
measures that amount to nothing. The releasing of
the already known facts in the torture memos then
doing nothing is a good example of his make-belief
bullshitting.
He has no intention of leaving Iraq and is intensifying the war in Afghanistan.
I can go on and on but you can get the picture that
you already know but still insisting on staying in denial.

Very interesting LeeFella but not germane to the article but good for an overly long twitter though.

Maybe you need to move to some other more general forum?

Night-Gaunt, April 29 at 11:25 am

THANKS FOR ALL THE KIND AND GENEROUS WORDS; you sure know how to make a feller feel at home round hare?

Ole LEEFELLER just told all about his situations and is afflictions and his double duty paint job on his truck or car with a bulls eye painted on the top bet that is grand.  Bet he has hogs underneath his house too, they stay cooler that way.  Chicken meat is better if allowed to run loose bet he does that too.

You know they have these new mouse that have a little ball on the side that rolls back and forth and to the side too maybe get one of them and you could just get to scrolling right on by my post like I do yours.

But see I like you for not what you should be but what you are. Takes all kind here on TRUTHDIG to show the rest of America what it is like to live on a farm, or in the back of a car, or in a trash can with a cat, or like me on the Mexican border ducking bullets day and night, gosh we Americans are just a good breed of folks fur sure.

In Hoot Owl, were I live, we don’t much care about politics, except when they try to tell us to move stuff off the front yards or when they try to take our guns away.  Right now I am working on the engine of my old dump truck in the front yard,  the engine is sitting in the back of my old pickup a 53 GMC, which has not run for years, at least I don’t have it filled with garbage like my neighbors, instead . I find it handy to keep empty beer bottles for recycling, so I am green. A pickup bed makes a great work bench, so I am working on the engine of my dump truck and lay the parts on the old couch, of course on top of newspaper.  Have to keep the windows and doors closed, because on my pickup and dump truck, to keep the chickens out.                             

Seems like every year we get some uppity politicians coming down from the county or state offices wanting us to clean up our front yards?  This time they really seemed upset about my pride and joy. A refrigerator, which I keep stocked full of beer, I have to keep a big pad lock on it, because of the neighbors. It is handy to keep cold beer in. .  I think the refrigerator is kind of artistick too, because I painted it red white and blue. The county guy, did not seem very patriotic and he wouldn’t take a beer, when I offered,  like the sheriff guys do?. He muttered something about an eyesore and handed me a piece of paper, said I have to clean up my yard.

He even complained about the empty beer bottles in the back of my pickup, everything was listed, the couch, the school bus, which I use to let the chicken roost in.  Worst of all he insulted Freddy Monza my custom painted 53 Chevy, painted Aqua and Gray with writing on the side and bulls eye on top, I may get Freddy running after I fix the dump truck. This is not the whole list, but you get the idea.

Don’t know about you, but I am tired of all this harassment by governments, when is it going to stop?  Well, I am heading down to the donuts shop see if they have any day old donuts or buy a bakers dozen which costs more.

Dwight you are an asshole publishing that 6-part monstrosity here. Why? Because no one would go to your link to see it? Free speech is one thing but mass junk copy-paste it too too much. I will report you on that. It is longer than the article! Why don’t you ask TruthDig to see if you can have it in their article section but don’t put it here. I won’t read it. Not from you.

Obama, like Clinton but not so much like Carter, is a right winger on the Democratic wing of the corporate party. He may want a greener empire but he still wants an empire. Which is still in its formative stages. [Latter.] How he treats the torturers tells us much. “We must move forward,” is the same thing we hear from a Republican. Just let the criminals live and walk among us? To maybe do more harm in the future? To let them go free ignores the laws of our land and the world. If so then let us tear up the law books, free all of the 2.5 million prisoners and disband the legal and policing end of our nation-state. If we do for some we must do for all. Do you hear me all of those who give Obama way to much leeway in this matter?

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III.
It has sacrificed our people property and welfare toward war efforts in the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan by which our interests have been continually depressed through a jealous and partial course of legislation, and carried on at a far removed from saneness and alien to consent seat of our government, by a hostile Executive majority, and this, too notwithstanding we have petitioned in the humblest terms for CONGRESS to enforce the LAWS of impeachment in accordance with the provisions of the United State Constitution. And WE THE PEOPLE have presented in the media and Internet and to CONGRESS our pleas and without just cause, ALL have been contemptuously rejected.

IV.
It has failed and refused to secure absolute justice and has implemented such into the PATRIOT ACT, on a firm basis, the right of trial by jury, that palladium of civil liberty, and only safe guarantee for the life, liberty, and property of all peoples.

V.
It has failed to empower more and bring sober judgments and sound resolutions too our public system of education, although possessed of almost boundless resource [public domain] and, although it is an axiom, in political science, that unless a people are educated and enlightened, It is idle to expect the continuance of civil liberty or the capacity for self-government.

VI.
It has suffered the Federal Executive Investigative and Enforcers of law officials, and their employees and emissaries stationed among us and abroad, to exercise arbitrary acts of secrecy ambiguity oppression and tyranny; thus trampling upon the most sacred rights of the citizen and rendering the military superior to the civil power.

VII.
It has dissolved, by force of arms, the nations of Iraq and Afghanistan and obliged the indigenous contiguous people to flee for their lives and from their people and property and seats of governments; thus depriving them of their fundamental rights of life and political right of representation.
VIII.
It has demanded the surrender of a number of their citizens, and ordered military detachments to seize and carry them into prisons for trial; in contempt of the civil authorities, and in defiance of the laws of those nations. .

IX.
It has made piratical attacks upon our treasuries, by commissioning national and foreign desperadoes and mercenaries and Federal Law Enforcement authorizing them to lay claim to territories alien to our core needs. And to expend our national treasuries on the unprovoked wars and enormous buildup of long-term military installations in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And to seize property of Iraq and Afghanistan citizens in confiscation for the intended use of the energy barons.

X.
It denies us the right of worshiping the Almighty according to the dictates of our own religious zeal conscience and independent commitment to the LORD JESUS CHRIST, by the illicit use of our combined treasuries and the unconscionable treatment of our military men and women many dying in vain for the needless and endless wars, all calculated to promote the temporal financial interest of its servile alliances to the tyrannical barons of industry, energy and communications rather than the glory of the true and living God.

XI.
It has constrained us to take away our voice of dissent, which is essential to our defense, the rightful voice of freemen, and precursor to a formidable foe only to tyrannical governments.

Decades late and Trillions short.
Funny how the Ivory Tower crowd NOW comprehends the the reamifications of ‘Trickle Down’ and Deregulation- apparently a degree in Economics does not require ANY History classes!
Where were all these Economic ‘Gurus’ while these Colleges of Economics and MBAs were mass producing the Wall Streeters for the last few decades? Standing at a poduim, smoking a pipe and expounding the Virtues of Capitolism I’m betting.
These institutions of Higher learning were the catalysts to this Greed mantra.Art imitating life was the movie ‘Wall Street’...Remember when that was released..We were already SCREWED!!! And every year, with every new piece of legislation penned by the Wall street Lobbists only entrenched US further into their Economic Treasonous doctrine.
so “Obama has missed his Moment” - No sweetheart WE Missed Our Moment during the Reagan years, to Scream STOP, we’ve lived this Cluster fuck Before- Not just during the Great Deperession’s lack of regulation and oversight- but under the English Monarch who also practiced ‘Trickle Down’- But at that time it was called Feudalism.The name it self implies those at the below will be emaciated by trying to survive off the mere Trickle the upper echelon allows to seep downwards.
And Now you expect decades of insideous infiltration by Corps to be rectified within 100 Days…Honey this may take as long to decontaminate US as it did to infect US. It’s going to take pragmatism, Prudence and patience. Wish them luck and Pray.

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WHO BROUGHT YOU 1-6
Letter to Barack Obama
Sunday, September 14, 2008

PLEASE PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL FOR BARACK OBAMA

Dear Senator Obama,

  The personal perils that you face today, tomorrow and for the next eight years will be forever more compounded if you fail to remember this one thing.

  You cannot refuse to do as you promised to do for the PEOPLE who took you to the dance.

  Meaning——————our Federal Government is dying of fast growing cancers, and the only way you will be able to do what you said you were going to do is surgically remove all the cancers immediately.

  As a Senator now———- you and Joe Biden must move with unparalleled speed to put your influence on the FLOOR of the Senate and with you allies in the HOUSE to immediately remove BUSH and CHENEY with actions of impeachments. Once those actions are done then move on to bring indictments to all NEOCONS that have committed crimes against the RULE OF LAW in our CONSTITUTION.  That may mean you might have some friends that fit that mold.

  The very best campaigning you can do from now till the election———is do as I said and start right NOW to take control of our Federal Administrative Government.

  I know you are street smart to a degree but you are not plugged into the demonic despotism mindset as those in the NEOCON reign of terror.  And at this time you, your staff and most trusted confidants do not have a clue what the BIG OIL BIG CON NEOCONS are going to do———- with IRAN or any other city, state or nation.  BUSH could pull the trigger on IRAN and leave you with broken promises and a totally out of control military and American populace that could led the Democratic Party and you to a bare naked brokenness beyond your wildest belief.  For Barack the NEOCONS have been planning this reign of ultimate terror longer than your girls have lived.  Cheney is a wild out of control sub human but one thing for sure he works at it.  I am sure that he has books upon books of each day each week each hour of AGENDAS mapping out who, what, when and how to implement more of their hideous plans.  And many of the sure read daily intellectuals that write about the NEOCONS have not yet discovered what their real emphasis has been for the last forty years.  And at this time I have a concern that maybe some in your daily reach does not have a clue either.  You don’t dance with the devil unless you want to get burned.  And to banter about frivolous goodies while the one next to you is a devil——- lusting and lurking while lunging for your throat [to take you down] that is just a junior varsity way of looking at things.

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For your personal sake I just hate that our PEOPLE and NATION has so many problems——- but that is just the way it is in 2008.  One of my son’s works for Halliburton——-there is a RUMOR within that company that you are going to be killed.  The other rumor is that if you are elected our economy is going to HELL.  Really I don’t see that it has far to go.   

But remember HIS source of information is Halliburton and that means Cheney.  Just last week in Oklahoma City Bush was flown in and ushered to a private home where a paid for dinner was put on to raise money it cost $10,000 to get in then other $15,000 to eat and other $20,000 for a photo op.  So does that tell you anything?  It sure does me.  BUSH has no plans for you to take over HIS JOB.  And how could he do that?  Simply drop bombs on IRAN then declare that he must stay in power to oversee the military. All that sounds bizarre but that is who they are and that is what they do.  CIA operatives in IRAN could get that done as soon as told too.

  You have a faithful following and if anyone can get the signatures necessary to sign the following petition you and many more GODLY FOLK who are with you and many IN CONGRESS could get IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS GOING IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.

  My recommendations are forget about PELOSI.  She cowers down to Chevron like Rice and that is to say they are likeminded and maybe PELOSI is of the NEOCON persuasion too.

  The Internet is a buzz with many more sane and sanguine supporters for you than you can imagine.  But Barack you got to get busy now taking away control of the NUKE BUTTON from the NEOCON despots in control.  And the only way to do that is with guts and gusto galore and I know you got that.  But get off the ideal of giving any chitchat talk surrounding Mc Cain and his running mate they are just small burrs under your saddle at this time.  You want GOOD PRESS?——- The rest of your campaign?  GO FOR THE THROATS OF THE NEOCONS.  And get BUSH and CHENEY IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS UNDERWAY. 

  NOW to bust the Republican Party all to HELL right now.  Build an ad campaign from the STATEMENT GEORGE BUSH MADE recorded on the FILM Fahrenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore when BUSH SAID “ I am your war president”

  Now I want nothing at all except——————- my LORD GOD AND KING JESUS CHRIST BE LIFTED UP.  And HE is lifted up——by ones who desire to PLEASE HIM by DOING IS WILL, WORDS AND WAYS when he says.

  I am a Bondservant to HIM and HE is all I need except to make———HIM KING in many others lives for their mortal well-being and immortal life to continue in the same way.

  LAST stay in an attitude of PRAYER UNTO HIM and let HIM BE YOUR CONSTANT CAMPAIGN AND RULE OUT THOSE WHO HAVE AN AGENDA OF TAKING YOU DOWN JUST SMILE WALK AWAY.  MY recommendations NO MORE FOX NEWS watch all those at MSNBC, same with CSPAN, and CNN TOO.  REMEMBER and never forget who owns the MEDIA it is the NEOCONS.

MY PRAYER IN THE ALMIGHTY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OUR KING NOW IS————ALL MY HOPES, AMBITIONS FOR YOUR SUCCESS AND MY PRAYERS WILL BE BATHED DAILY IN THE HALLOWED CHAMBERS WHERE JESUS CHRIST RULES AND REIGNS OVER PLANET EARTH AND SUMMONS HIS HOLY ANGELS TO PERFECT HIS RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENTS WITH MERCY AND/OR RETRIBUTIONS.

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WE THE PEOPLE
OF THE UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA

PETITION WITH PLEADINGS
HENCE DECLARES THAT CONGRESS
IMPEACH TRY CONVICT SENTENCE FINE AND BANISH
WITHOUT IMPUNITY
CREATORS INITIATORS ENABLERS INSTIGATORS
AND PIRATING PROFITEERS
OF THE IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN
WARS
AND THE INCLUSIVE WAR ON TERROR

WE THE PEOPLE declare that when a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of WE THE PEOPLE, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted; and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression: when the Constitution of our country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of our government has been forcible changed, without WE THE PEOPLES consent, from a federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded by that of Federal Investigative and Enforcement Law and the present Executive Branch of the Federal Government and all that have become appointed and employees to duties both are the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the ever-ready minions of power, and the usual instrument of tyrants:  when, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is, at length, so far lost by those in power that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms, themselves, of the constitution discontinued; and so far from their petitions and remonstrance’s being regarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into all sorts of terror filled restraints inclusive prisons of despair, and mercenary agents and armies are sent forth to force sovereign nations upon them at the point of the tools of war: when, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of our federal government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements; in such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable right of WE THE PEOPLE to appeal to first principles and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme case, enjoins it as a right towards themselves and a sacred obligation to their posterity to impeach, try, convict, fine, banish without impunity such federal government elected executives, employees, appointees, envoys and to cause to be constitutionally elicited worthy others to be empowered as substitutes in lieu of the next term of elected officials to resume elected powers, calculated to rescue WE THE PEOPLE from impending dangers, and to secure our future welfare and happiness.

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I.
WE THE PEOPLE Petition CONGRESS as a body of lawmakers and we as individuals that is responsible and amenable for our acts to the public opinion of mankind.  A statement of a part of our grievances is, therefore, submitted to an impartial world, in justification of the hazards but unavoidable step now taken of severing our political support and connection with the present Executive Branch of our Federal government and assuming an attitude of remorse for our CONGRESS allowed and empowered actions amiss among those mentioned nations of the earth.

II.
Our present Executive leadership [hereafter called it], by its illicit pre-planed war intentions, convinced WE THE PEOPLE and CONGRESS by deception and the horrors inflicted on our soil after 911 that war was imminent.  Then induced the American population to pledge their faith to war efforts to restrain, restrict and rid our nation from more acts of terrorism. Thus in so doing WE THE PEOPLE should continue to enjoy our constitution liberty and democratic government to which we had been habituated in the land of our birth, the United States of America.  In this expectation they have cruelly disappointed, and have acquiesced in their changes made in the government by it who having altered substantively the constitution of this county, and now offers us the cruel alternation either to abandon our people property and liberties, or submit to the most intolerable of all tyranny, the combined despotism of Federal Law Enforcement and Armies and the vile contemptible present Executive Branch of our government.

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XII.
It has invaded our homes and homeland with intent to lay waste our territory and elicit safety and security from our homes; and now has a large mercenary of armies at its disposal soon to be advancing to carry on against us and others wars on terror in selective extermination.

XIII.
It has, through its secret emissaries, incited the merciless savage, with, sophisticated weapons of war to massacre inhabitants in our offensive invading wars against hapless defenseless nations.

XIV.
It has been, during the entire time of our allegiance with it, made contemptible sport and victim of us with it successive laid claims as intolerable revolutionaries towards our constitution, and us and has continually exhibited every characteristic of a weak, corrupt, and tyrannical government.

XV.
These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by WE THE PEOPLE until they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue. We then took up our combined voice again in defense of the national constitution. We appealed to our brethren for assistance.  Our appeals thus far have been made in vain.  Through months and even years have elapsed. No sympathetic response has yet been heard from CONGRESS.  We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion that the present Executive Branch has acquiesced in the destruction of our liberty, and the substitution therefore of a military government—that they insist we are unfit to be free and incapable of self-government.

XVI.
The necessity of our mortal and immortal self-preservation, therefore, now decrees our eternal political plea for CONGRESS to impeach try convict fine and banish with out impunity enablers makers and profiteers of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the inclusive war on terror

XVII.
  It has suffered a disproportion of illicit terror on the estimated 750,000 fellow Christian believers in Iraq many tens of thousands have left their homes, land people and property fleeing from Iraq during our war efforts for fear of their lives. Thus ridding the commands of Jesus Christ harm nullifying nearly 2000 years of work in Iraq that was inspired by Apostle Paul.

WE THE PEOPLE, therefore, as the constitutional empowered delegates, with plenary powers, of the people of the United States of America, in solemn sober and resolute connectivity assemble, appealing to a candid world for the necessities of our conditions, do hereby resolve and declare that our political connection with the present Executive Branch of our nation has forever ended; and that WE THE PEOPLE do now constitute a free, sovereign, and independent VOICE, and are fully invested with all the rights and attributes which properly belong to independent people; and conscious of the rectitude of our intentions, we fearlessly and confidently commit the issue to the decision of the Supreme Arbiter of the destiny of each as individuals and WE THE PEOPLE.

  Thus I_______________________________do solemnly swear by a formal oath and by the testament of my name that I am a conjoined contiguous solicitous one of WE THE PEOPLE.  And too that extent I fully agree with this———the Collaborated Petition with Pleadings and Demand made on our CONGRESS.

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THAT WAS THEN Sept 14,2008   NOW THIS TODAY April 28, 2009 HOW MANY DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE OUR GOVERNMENT WORK?

THE VOICES FOR WE THE PEOPLES ADVOCATES—-WTPA for Grass Roots Actions needed for forming our own truth filled lobby in Washington DC to power punch our VOICES and VOTES of the people for our rights to life in acts of equity with Justice.
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HOW DARE THEY BRING A REPROACH

Timothy Geithner is a child prodigy that was groomed by father and grandfather to do what he is doing today expanding the Ford Foundation and their cronies’ goals. He spent much of childhood in Africa where his influential parents and grandparents had deep roots into that political culture.

Larry Summers tutored him for years. And the lunch dates certainly proves that his prodigy and pundit status jumped started his political carrier. 

But does that long connectivity with the Ford Foundation and their partners and views on how the world should be run cast a serious doubt and concern who he really works for?  It does for many.

And Geithner heading up our treasury has proved to have consequences that we cannot bare. His stated goals and aspirations for us are out of step with most others.  His personal appearances raises doubts to how he stands on the issues, that again has lead many of us to have concerns about him knowing all the game plans each step of the way.  And that leads us to consider who does he serve, those of us the offended or those that committed the offenses.  Thus the record is clear that he jumps to and serves the wills and mandates of the offenders. 

And should this entire banking crisis be a PONZI scheme as many have said, and if Geithner job is to disguise that so his benefactors can go undiscovered to that end we would be foolish to not raise a red flag every day until he is replaced.  For at the end of the day we have Geithner representing the Ford Foundation and all their associates on one hand and two Larry Summers on the other?

Entrepreneurs are needed to restructure our government not political pundits and puppets doing what they a told behind closed doors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Geithner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_School_Bangkok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_H._Nitze_School_of_Advanced_International_Studies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_H._Nitze
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/unbearable-vagueness-timothy-geithner
http://documents.nytimes.com/geithner-schedule-new-york-fed#p=3

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DWIGHTBAKER, April 29 at 8:23 am #

Does that mean you are the COACH?
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Me?

Nope, just one of my usual harangues against the left’s answer to Limbaugh’s ditto-heads.

A call went out not long ago asking this question—-Why doesn’t the Blue collar workers use the comment sections of the web?

I replied go to TRUTHDIG there you can draw your own conclusions.

The ones that post the most on TRUTHDIG use language that is like unto sociopath.  They lay in wait to capture any that comes around that is a new kid on the block like gang warfare on their turf paid for by Bob Scheer.

My question has been all along who in that group of the ones who post the most has any idea whatsoever to do about the many crisis that face our nation?  And at this time I know of no one.