JEANNIEMAC—As I’ve said before, so-called “partial birth abortion” is AGAINST THE LAW!! Press charges! Show it to s prosecutor, not me!

If I saw something illegal, that I felt was killing someone, I would certainly report it!

It is apparently not ME that you have to convince.

KDELPPHI: “I’m not going to take the time to reveiw her stats”???!!!!
That proves you are not open-minded, and your mind is stuck in its own rut.  I could bring a video of partial birth abortion and you still would not believe it.  As I said, it is like butting my head against a brick wall.

ITW—I do not know what you mean.

KDelphi, April 7 at 6:33 pm #

ITW—I told you that I agree with you on more than I say. But, the Ayn Rand admiration just has me puzzled about you. Dont get it. You are probably right—we do disagree on most things.
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“Check your premises…...”

ITW—I told you that I agree with you on more than I say. But, the Ayn Rand admiration just has me puzzled about you. Dont get it. You are probably right—we do disagree on most things.

Oh well. At least it will never be implemented. (Austria is in the streets) You probably feel the same way about Socialism.

She is wrong about the so-called “partial birth abortion” (which doesnt exist), but, I am not going to take the time to review her stats.

Partial Birth Abortion
Is it Really Happening?

Brenda Pratt Shafer, a registered nurse from Dayton, Ohio, assisted Dr. Haskell in a Partial Birth Abortion on a 26-1/2 week (over 6 months) pre-born baby boy. She testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee (on 11/17/95) about what she witnessed. According to nurse Shafer, the baby was alive and moving as the abortionist “delivered the baby’s body and arms - everything but the head. The doctor kept the baby’s head just inside the uterus. The baby’s little fingers were clasping and unclasping, his feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors through the back of his head, and the baby’s arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks he might fall. The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening and sucked the baby’s brains out. Now the baby was completely limp.”
9313pb_A   With forceps, the doctor turns the baby around in the womb to be positioned feet first. The baby’s legs are pulled out into the birth canal. The baby is alive at this point. .
9313pb_B   The abortionist delivers the baby’s entire body, except for the head, which remains inside the birth canal. The baby’s hands and feet move
9313pb_C   The abortionist stabs the scissors into the base of the baby’s skull. The scissors are spread to enlarge the opening. The suction catheter is then inserted and the brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The head slides out easily.

IS THIS TYPE OF ABORTION RARE?

When this type of procedure first became public knowledge, those defending it said it was only done a few hundred times a year. Then Ron Fitzsimmons, the executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers admitted on ABC’s “Nightline” (11/95) that he had lied when he asserted the procedure was used rarely and only on women whose lives were in danger. The reality is, this gruesome method of killing partially born babies is done many thousands of times a year. Abortionist, Dr. McMahon, admitted in 1995 to performing over 2000 partial birth abortions.

Dr. C. Everett Coop, former U.S. Surgeon General, stated, “... in no way can I twist my mind to see that the late-term abortion as described is a medical necessity for the mother. It certainly can’t be a necessity for the baby.”

IS THIS TYPE OF ABORTION EVER DONE ON THIRD TRIMESTER BABIES?

Yes. While most babies are in their 20th to 24th week when aborted in this manner, babies are aborted as late as the ninth month! This was admitted to by abortionist Dr. McMahon who, in 1995, submitted to the House Judiciary Constitution Subcommittee a graph and explanation that showed he aborted healthy babies even in the third trimester!

As disturbing as this sounds, these are the facts. In this country medical doctors are partially delivering babies and then killing them. These babies are inches from being born. Many could be born and placed directly in the loving arms of childless couples for adoption. Instead, they are cruelly killed. Some call this abortion. No matter what you call it, you cannot alter the reality - 4 more inches out of the womb and this act would be called murder.

KDelphi, April 6 at 11:55 pm #

Yes! I knew youd see my point eventually!
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And you thought you and I never agree on anything!

That old nurse’s story has been bent many ways, just like they invented the “partial birth abortion”, something NEVER described in the medical literature.

JEANNIEMAC-”-Apparently some people read only what they want to read, or read into something that which is or isn’t there, according to whatever they wish to believe.”

Yes! I knew youd see my point eventually!

Apparently some people read only what they want to read, or read into something that which is or isn’t there, according to whatever they wish to believe.
That being said, I’m not going to waste more time butting my head against a brick wall.
Go ahead and argue amongst yourselves. I will be elsewhere.

JEANNIE—The websites I googled say he voted AGAINST the “comfort room” act. If people are truly doing this, press charges! It is illegal. (someone already would have, if it was happening) As you know, Third Trimester aboriotn has been illegal for awhile. I think it is 99% of aboriotns are prformed in the first 3 mos.

All the websites are neo-con bullshit, with Bill O’Reily, the CaTHOLIC League and other crap. You have no credability.

Do you live in the South? Because if you do, and, you want a Religious State, secede from the Union again. If not , move there. I swear, we wont fire a shot this time. Just go.

RE: OBAMA AND COMFORT ROOM - Google “Obama comfort room”

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/06/in_march_2002_t.html

JEANNIE—You see, I’m googling everything you mention and, basically, coming up with nothing.

Is she an RN? and LPN? Is she licensed? Did she work at the hospital you mentioned? When? If it was when Sen. Obama was a state senator, why is it in 2002?

Youre going to have to pull together some of these gaps for me to take any of it seriously

JEANNIEMAC—Again, you are just asking me to take your word for it. I dont know you and I cant.

Where can I read this interview? Do you have a link, or, can you be more specific about where I could search for it? You see, if it is only posted at Palin’s site or “Right to Life”, I think that you would have to admit that there may be bias? Or, maybe you wouldnt, because that is what you WANT to believe.

WHERE you get your info is just as important as giving some quotes from it.

KDELPHI and others:  Read my post again. I told about the meeting between nurse Jane Kraneck and Obama in March 2002.
You just don’t want to believe it.
So, God bless, and have a good life.

JEANNIEMAC—How do you KNOW that you “spoke the truth”?? You dont post any links as to where your info comes from! Quite frankly, I think that it is horseshit.

Where was this “hearing”? Who are the people speaking? Are these quotes or summaries?

Were you also against SCHIP? What about insurance for their parents? Are you also concerned about babies (and adults) dying in Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza,Darfur, other places? What actions have you taken to call attention to those? Do you support blowing up living people to save fertilized eggs?

You have to be a little more specific, especially when your allegations amount to murder. Have you filed charges? Consulted an attorney? A psychiatrist?

I spoke the truth, and cited references.  Those of you who say I lie, are unwilling to face the facts that Obama did as I said. 
“Seeing, they do not see, and hearing, they do not hear.”

Bboy57, April 3 at 5:36 pm #

Nonsense.
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You said it!  The crap and lies that get spread are incredible.

Now Obama should make a mark by speaking at Commencement at the State University of New York at Binghamton.  The city of Binghamton needs something like that to help them today.

Nonsense.

It is a fact that Obama voted against providing medical care for babies who survived abortion.
Nurse Jane Kraneck said this:
In March 2002, then Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama and I engaged in an interesting exchange during my testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which he was a member.

I was speaking in favor of the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act for the second time, which had failed the year before.

The previous year, I had told Obama and the committee of my experience holding a live aborted baby until he died in my capacity as a labor and delivery nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill.

(Column continues below)

That year, I described Christ Hospital’s Comfort Room, unveiled in December 2000 to counter my public statements that personnel were shelving babies to die in the department’s soiled utility room next to dirty linens, bloody and biohazardous waste, and a urinal:

  Four months ago, Christ Hospital unveiled its “Comfort Room.” So now I can no longer say that live aborted babies are left in our Soiled Utility Room to die. We now have this prettily wallpapered room complete with a First Foto machine, baptismal gowns, a footprinter and baby bracelets, so that we can offer keepsakes to parents of their aborted babies. There is even a nice wooden rocker in the room to rock live aborted babies to death.

I did not mention the Comfort Room when I testified again in 2002. But Barack Obama remembered.

Part of Christ Hospital Comfort Room

Of over 4,000 pieces of legislation introduced in the Illinois General Assembly in 2001, Obama apparently recalled my description of Christ Hospital’s Comfort Room. He stated, according to the State Net transcript:

  Ms. Stanek, your initial testimony last year showed your dismay at the lack of regard for human life. I agreed with you last year, and we suggested that there be a Comfort Room or something of that nature be done. The hospital acknowledged that and changes were made and you are still unimpressed. It sounds to me like you are really not interested in how these fetuses are treated, but rather not providing absolutely any medical care or life to them.

Obama had actually not agreed with me the year before. He had agreed with ACLU attorney Colleen Connell that “living is not the same as viability” when he voted against Born Alive in committee and went on to be the sole senator speaking against it on the Senate floor.

And “we” suggested the Comfort Room? I was the one who told him about the Comfort Room four months after the fact, also providing photo evidence.

What was going on? Obama hadn’t been coached had he, perhaps by fellow Trinity United Church of Christ member Dr. Jane Fisler-Hoffman, who also happened to sit on the board of Christ Hospital’s parent company, Advocate Health Care?

Or by Rev. Dr. Ozzie Smith Jr., another Advocate board member and former associate pastor at TUCC under Rev. Jeremiah Wright?

Or by Wright himself, who sat on the board of Christ Hospital’s parent company from 1986-89?

Or by Christ Hospital CEO Carole Schneider, a UCC member?

Or by fellow state Rep. Renee Kosel, a Christ Hospital board member who opposed Born Alive on the House side?

I’d like Sen. Obama to tell us whether he received counsel from any of the aforementioned to oppose Born Alive.

Obama may have thought it impressive to wrap the baby one was killing in a blanket surrounded by silk flowers rather than leave him naked on a steel sink sideboard, but he was right – I was nonplussed. I responded:

  What the hospital did was try to make things look better. What it really is, is that the baby is still dead.

I didn’t know it then, but I was describing future presidential candidate Barack Obama’s campaign: attempting to repackage liberal extremism to look comforting.

In this case, however, Obama was pleased with a neonatal Soylent Green killing room, taking American liberal extremism to a new place.

JEANNIEMAC, April 3 at 12:46 pm #

I found out Obama voted against giving medical care to babies who survived abortion. When a nurse complained to Obama that these poor mutilated infants were left to die alone on a table, he provided a “comfort room” with a rocking chair. A nurse could rock and hold a dying baby while he took his last breath after being killed by his mother.  This is ghastly.
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It’s also not true. It’s one of the dug-up, twisted, mis-interpreted and flat-out lied-about items used in the last Presidential campaign about a year ago….Where you been? 

BTW, if a woman has a tubal pregnancy, without an abortion, both she and the baby WILL die 100% of the time. It’s an absolute killer.  I presume you prefer them both to die than for the doctors to abort the fetus and save the woman life. 

In fact, I presume you prefer for the doctors to ALWAYS let the woman die and not harm the fetus.

What if the only way to save the fetus is to kill the mother, flat out kill her?  Are you in favor of that, or just letting them both die, again.

While we are at it, it’s not natural to interfere with the birth process so let’s outlaw c-sections too.  Without it, my wife might have died and if my son had survived, he certainly would have brain-damaged. Instead he’s a healthy, brilliant, happy honors student.

How about letting doctors and patients decide their medical treatment instead of priests, lawyers, televangelists and fanatics?

JEANNIEMAC—Anyone who trusts Palin cannot be wrapped too tight…what has happened to US separation of Church and State??

God said, “Be ye hot, or be yet cold. Be ye not lukewarm, or I will begin to vomit thee from My Mouth.”
To kill an unborn baby is murder. To invite a person who approves of, and provides money to perform abortions,  is wrong.  To invite anyone, king or president, who does what is evil, is in itself evil.

I found out Obama voted against giving medical care to babies who survived abortion. When a nurse complained to Obama that these poor mutilated infants were left to die alone on a table, he provided a “comfort room” with a rocking chair. A nurse could rock and hold a dying baby while he took his last breath after being killed by his mother.  This is ghastly.

cyrena,

I found it: King traveled to India in 1959 to meet Gandhi’s son, not Gandhi, who had been murdered 11 years earlier by the same kind of bastards who would later murder King, Sadat and Rabin—Murderers who were Hindu, Christian, Moslem and Jewish, murdering a Hindu, Christian, Moslem and Jew, who had all embraced peace (even if, like Sadat and Rabin they had embraced war earlier).

So…can one infer that being a fanatic Hindu, Christian, Moslem or Jew can more easily lead you to being a murderer?

cyrena,

You had me with you till you got to this:

“Remember what Gandhi said to MLK when they had an opportunity to visit, Gandhi’s son told him, “We like your Jesus, we just don’t like your Christians.” “

Um…if MLK was 39 when he was murdered in 1968, that means he was born in 1929…Mahatma Gandhi was murdered in 1948…when MLK was 19…  So…when did MLK meet Gandhi?  As a teenager?

Humm,

As a forced Catholic for the first 18 years of my life, I have a pretty good idea that this decision to boycott Obama at Notre Dame has nothing to do with Catholicism, (aside from the obvious hypocrisy for which the Catholic Church is well known)and everything to do with racism, for which the Irish and the Catholics are also well known. (yes, I agree that is a generalization, but it still fits for the majority).

So the reason for the unprecedented boycott is simple…Obama is black. It’s totally outrageous for anyone to claim that anyone who professes to be a Christian can claim a hatred for Protestants, Lutherans, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Baptists, Episcopals, Methodists, or Catholics, seeing as they all call themselves Christians, and maintain/support the same prophet, who is (for Christians) Jesus Christ. What’s the difference, aside from the differences created within their own mentalities?

I swear no matter how old I live to be, I will never cease to be amazed at the hatred and animosity between so many of these groups who claim to be Christians. They’ve got the same god, and the same prophet, and yet they practice the antithesis of what Jesus Christ was supposed to be about, and become downright HOSTILE when they come preaching and folks like me listen politely before explaining that we just don’t do the religion thing.

It was 18 years of Catholic indoctrination that made it clear to me, (by the 3rd grade) that these Catholics were a bunch of hypocrites, and the same applied to all the rest of these organized denominations as well. 

But back to my point…how can Barack Obama be ‘anti-Catholic” when he claims at least, to be a Christian who believes in Jesus Christ? Is there a special Jesus for Catholics and one for Protestants or any of the rest that call themselves Christians? Or might it just be that Barack Obama is black? And, exactly how ‘Christian’ is that?

I say they’re all a bunch of hypocritical frauds, and I think Obama should boycott THEM! Let him come to our very secular public UC system, where he would be overwhelmingly welcomed. In other words, fuck ‘em if they have made it quite clear that there isn’t the least thing ‘Catholic’ OR ‘Christian’ about their ideology.

Remember what Gandhi said to MLK when they had an opportunity to visit, Gandhi’s son told him, “We like your Jesus, we just don’t like your Christians.”

His point should be obvious..such hypocrisy has no place in any sincere faith in a Higher Power.

They should boycott a real criminal: Bush

Ed:

You wrote “There is more immorality among the atheists of this world than some of you would care to admit…”

This blatant and cowardly post has no data to support it yet you drop it and run away.

I was born atheist, like you Ed, and was brainwashed into Catholicism as a child.  The RC church has been a plague on humanity since its inception and its crimes against humanity are well documented. Prole did a good job of listing some of their crimes, but left out the looting of the Americas and slaughter of 100 million indigenous people. The church’s crimes are too numerous to mention in a post, but fortuantely there have been many books written about them.

All for the sake of worshipping their invisible (from history as well!)  nailed god.

Re Ed: “immorality”

You’ve left the “immorality” that exists in the media, particularly when it comes to Pope John II’s views on the Bush administration’s invasion of Iraq.

As you may recall, prior to the Bush/Cheney administration’s invasion of Iraq in 2003, Pope John Paul II sent a letter to President George W. Bush expressing a serious concern about the “immorality” issues surrounding the impending conflict – the impending conflict is “immoral, illegal, unjust.”

Yet, many nationally known figures and syndicated media and radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Newt Gingrich and former Bush administration ambassador in the U.S. Jim Nicholson tried to minimize and/or distort Pope John Paul II’s stated position on the U.S. led invasion of Iraq:

RUSH LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh suggested that John Paul II opposed the Iraq war because popes are obligated to oppose all wars, but in fact the pope made several statements demonstrating support for just and necessary wars.”

JIM NICHOLSON: Former ambassador Jim Nicholson tried to minimize John Paul II’s objections to the invasion of Iraq, claiming falsely that the pope was never morally opposed to the war.

BILL O’REILLY: Fox’s O’Reilly suggested that the pope’s deputies and their dislike for American secularism motivated the Vatican’s opposition.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200504060001

If North Carolina wins the NCAA, they’ll be THRILLED to have the President who picked them to win speak!

F*** Notre Dame and their fundamental bigotry! 

In fact, there are very FEW major universities who wouldn’t consider it a coup to have President Obama address their graduates.  Me, I had Elizabeth Holzman speak at my graduation….back in the stone ages….

Mr. Pfaff, is correct! This issue revolves around only one issue and is so damnably hard to reconcile that its adherents, on either side of the issue are so intolerant of the others viewpoint, that common sense goes right out the window.
We are now in the era of one issue politics, this is beyond reasoning, yet as many have reported and witnessed, the proponents and opponents of said issue, cannot help but be biased and intolerant of the other.
We are no longer a country of ‘We the people,’ but a balkanized and separatist nation, that will not forbear any view other than our own and by G-d, if your view is anything other than what I believe, than
your ticket reads ‘Straight to Hell!’
What is needed now in this country is a good dose of tolerance and just plain courtesy. For we as a nation
cannot stand much longer this balkanizing political scheme. Democracy, counts on people agreeing and agreeing to disagree, civilly and with tolerance of another viewpoint.
Should the political side of our life continue on this obscenely misguided track, then we will not last
much longer as a nation.

Nostradamus was not a psychic, nor a soothsayer..he was a man of Lgic and deductive reasoning. he saw the atrocitiees and hypocrisies of the Vatican and knew one day they would no longer be able to silence their opponents through torture or slaughter.
Not even a surprise it would be Woman who began to turn their backs on the Church- first & foremost. it ahs little to do with the abortion issue, as it does with the crimes they ahve committed against us and now apparently Our children.Molestation does not bode well with mothers- even if you do wear a white collar. Woman are outraged when Fathers of either definition violate their children and their trust.
But beyond that Woman have come to realize we can no longer be burned at the stake, that being called awitch has no real reprecussions, and we are revolting in droves. Eve was not Weak- she accepted the duties and responsiblities that comes with being the only species on the planet with the gift of Knowledge. And for Her gallant sacrific to be the Sole stewards of Eden- she was granted the gift of nurturing and bringing forth life. Not merely relegated to the irresponsilbe Seed Dropper- but the monumnetal task of being the Gardner.
Also there is the Fact that the ‘Creator’ of Heaven and Earth then Choose to ‘touch’ a Female and make her the bearer of His messengers (son, messhiahs or the fleshy vessels He appeared in).It was well with in His ‘Almighty’ abilities to by pass such mortal means- but he Choose to entrust a Female with these precious Gifts to humanity.
Apparently god not only favored the Female, but Trusted her. Still does since He has yet to exercise His will by switching us around like Seahorses. “Creator”  and “Almighty” means all knowing and All Powerful- so He has yet to revoke this priviledge.
And the Male Dominated Religions Hate this irrefuteable Fact.
Let’s be honest if the ‘Almighty’ intends to touch another female to send forth a savior, he can certianly assure it does not end up in a biologicals container. In fact He if Chooses he can Send one down in full form from the heavens and by pass human involvement entirely..yea of little faith.

Pfaff brings up a good point and is right to lament the dominance of one issue politics in America.  I don’t believe it’s an accident.  If you can get someone so fired up and consumed by one issue that they can hardly think of anything else, they become very easy to manipulate and hoodwink, and willing to ignore all sorts of other policies that are against their best interests.  How else can one explain support for the GOP, whose platform is so squarely aimed at supporting the minuscule minority who own/control Big Business to the detriment of America and nearly all of the people who vote for them? (The Democrats have now mostly adopted the same platform, but they rely on obfuscation rather than distraction to gain support.)

dont act surprised about Catholics being against Obama’s policies.

They have a right to their views and opinions.

Why must they be tolerant of yours when you are not tolerant of theirs?

How can a nation that put a man on the moon be populated by a people who hold close to superstitions that are only separated from “step on a crack and break your mother’s back” by a few centuries worth of idiotic, logic-defying dogma?

Thank Thor that common sense is taking over.

-Wexler

I am not sure, Mr. Pfaff, why you ever decided to write this one. I am not sure either why Obama decided to give a speech at Notre Dame. He can still pull out, can’t he?

The Church at Rome is a medieval relic that’s probably been responsible for more grief and misery than any other single institution in history. From the Inquisition to pedophile priests the Catholic Church and it’s officers have engaged in every form of debauchery and immorality under the sun for centuries. It’s been a thoroughly worldly corporation profiiting handsomely from selling indulgences and every other type of religious quackery known to man. In the process the Church has amassed a fortune many times greater than the Fortune 500 combined. The Vatican has not only been bound to ruthless monarchs and emperors down through the ages but has cozied up to just about every fascist dictator in modern history too, from Mussolini to Marcos. Not surprisingly, since the Church itself is a thoroughly reactionary, authoritarian monolith left over from the Dark Ages. No wonder Gingrich should feel so at home there (and Pfaff) - just his kind of place. But since Pfaff’s “line of work is foreign affairs” he “will do what is in my power to persuade the president, his policymakers and the electorate, as I tried to do when George W. Bush was in office” about “disastrously mistaken policy, morally evil in its consequences”. Probably with the same effect as it had on Bush i.e. absolutely none, since Pfaff’s power to persuade presidents and policymakers is about as great as that of the Pope. After all, like the pope, how many divisions does Pfaff have?  So Pfaff and his pope can go on inveighing against the alleged immorality of abortion and foreign policy while remaining in the most immoral institution the world has ever known, the Catholic Church. Genuinely moral seekers like the Berrigan brothers realized that they must leave the Church to continue their quest.  Anyone truly interested in morality could never feel at ease in the Catholic church. There are many good reasons to boycott an immoral hypocrite like Obama but there are even better reasons to boycott an immoral, hypocritical institution like the Catholic church. Pfaff may “not think organized mass discourtesies and denigration of public officials and bodies of higher learning in the United States do anything but harm” but really just the opposite is true. The lack of mass civil disobedience and “denigration of public officials and bodies of higher learning in the United States” that do such great harm themselves - along with other harmful institutions like the Catholic church - is what is truly lamentable

Re Diamond: “Newt is the king of lizards.”

Very apt description for Newt - king of lizards.  In addition to converting to Roman Catholicism, “the lizard king” has also launched a new organization called Renewing American Leadership. Gingrich’s goal is to bring conservative evangelicals and Catholics into the political process:

“In the last few years I’ve decided that we’re in a crisis in which the secular state, if allowed, will fundamentally and radically change America against the wishes of most Americans,” Gingrich said in a phone interview on Thursday. “You’ve had such rising hostility to religious belief that I wanted to reach broadly into the country and dramatically raise public awareness of threats to religious liberty.”

http://culturecampaign.blogspot.com/2009/03/newt-gingrich-calls-all-believing.html

Newt Gingrich. Never has anyone had a name that suits them so well. A newt is an amphibious lizard and Newt is the king of lizards. I suppose he and Tony Blair just have to hope God will forgive them both for their wars against poor people and their religious delusions. The Catholic Church has the big advantage of guaranteeing forgiveness of sin, as long as you confess. Aye, there’s the rub. Neither of them has confessed. Barack Obama is a thousand times the person either of them is. By that I mean he’s not actually a sociopath: the jury’s still out on Gingrich and Blair.

RE William Piaff:It has been the custom . . . for a new president to go to the country’s most eminent Roman Catholic university for the spring graduation ceremony; a courtesy, so to speak, to the country’s Roman Catholic electorate.”

Guess you haven’t heard who is leading the protest. Newt Gingrich has divorced the Baptists and recently converted to Roman Catholicism.  Newt believes his conversion gives him the right to judge Obama and say who may and may speak at an eminent Roman Catholic University like Notre Dame:

“It is sad to see notre dame invite president obama to give the commencement address since his policies are so anti catholic values.”

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/03/30/gingrich-keeps-quiet-on-catholic-conversion.html