ISRAEL WINS!  satan loses!

Very true, Folk. Sounded ike something from propaganda central..if it sounds like happy horseshit to you, then it is instructive, peeps!

Larry Gigilo maintains that he has a voice as strong, loud and powerful as any corporate or financial entity, and so does each of us.  Because he is a Free American, where we all live together under Freedom.

It is quite useful to get this kind of bullshit out in the opnn to see how emontional truth dominates the simple reasonable truth. Larry assures us that he is not gaslighting us, possibly because he himself has been so gaslighted.  But probably its a combination, a gaslighted consensus where people have partially been gaslighted and feel the need to gaslight others.  Delusion mixed with virtuous dishonesty.  Plus the fear of power.

It is necessary to transform this gaslighted population truth consensus based on emotional truth, still dominated by the Obama DUPEs.  But to what?  There has to be an alternative to unite people against an oppressive, corrupt and obsolete power system.  That is the historical problem to which we must find a solution.

“... and an abundance of natural resources. everyone is welcome to come live here legally. we are truly blessed…”

This is a time machine quote from 1928..

To Larry Giglio——I didn’t suggest Palestinians
come to America but they can if they want
by following legal channels to be a USA citizen.  In
America, we have a nation with 50 states receiving
help from Washington, the Capitol of our nation.  My
suggestion was that Palestinians become a state
within the nation of Israel.  That would put them
in a position where they could receive help from
the nation of Israel with their economy,
schools, water, sewer, roads, etc.  Coming to America
right now probably would not be a good idea since
our economy is in such a mess with unemployment rising daily.

Rahm Emanuel holds dual Israeli/US citizenship and, Larry Summers called Harvard’s divestment in Israeli corps. “anti-semetic”.

So, I guess anyohne here who believes in divestment of resources supporting Israel’s blockade of Gaza, is an anti-semite, according to Summers…

Cyrena, stating that ‘theretically speaking, the “Government” is the population’ is pure obfuscation.  The American population consists of aoubt three hundred milliion Americans and the government consists of a few million.

The govenement is controlled by the owners and managers of the corporations, who rule thourgh the media, and non-governmental organizations, such as churches.  The corporations, government and non government organizations form a power system controlled by the power structure, which is a small fraction of the total population.

This distinction between people and power is obscured in the mainstream conceptual language that conveys the mainstream truth.  ‘America’ is term of calculated ambiguity that that conflates both power and people, to the power interests of oppressive power.  This conceptual confusion is promoting by the learned and mass media and other truth organs to help prevent the people from organizing agaist oppressive power.

It is precisely conceptual distinctions like this is essential to form a theory of people and power formulated from the population’s perspective, instead of the perspective of the Educated classes who legitimate their own power.  Doing so, however,  will transform our worldviews of reality.

Our religious, political and scientific worldviews are formulated by what psychologists are now calling ‘gasighting.’  The term is taken from the movie Gaslight where a man is trying to drive his wife crazy. In STATE OF CONFUSION by the psychologist-lawyer Bryant Welch, he argues that the American people have been gaslighted by power.

Actually all earthpeople have been gaslighted throughout history, notably by religious ideology.  However now it is political ideology that prevails, and pseudo-progressive political ideology prevents us from combating this gaslighting, by preventing the development of theory from a population perspective.  That is, from an uneducated perspective. 

That is why it must be initiated by uneducated truthers like myself who subvert the Educated distinctions and restrictions on truth because we are so ignorant that we just don’t know no better.

In September 1999, I visited my sister in Cairo,
Egypt.  Her husband worked for an American company
there.  We got to take a boat ride on her birthday,
Aug. 30th, on the Nile.  I treasure that moment
because she died of a massive heart attack on May 17,
2003.  The previous May my youngest sister died of
a rare lung disease.  They were my only sibblings.
I was their oldest and only brother.  I left Cairo
on Sept. 1, 1999 and flew to TelAviv for a three
week vacation in Israel.  I am a Christian and felt
very comfortable in Jerusalem while staying at a
bed and breakfast.  I was by myself.  I supported
5 children with World Vision, a Christian organization that feeds poor children around the
world.  I had never met any of the children I supported.  One of them was a 10 year old mentally
retarded deaf Palestinian girl.  I called World
Vision in Jerusalem and ask if it would be possible
to meet the little girl.  They called back and ask
if I could go on the 9th.  I agreed.  So, on 9-9-99,
two young beautiful Christian Palestinian ladies
wearing crosses picked me up and we drove about 2
hours to the Gaza strip.  I think the name of the
town was Rafah(spelling could be wrong).  We had to
go through two Israeli checkpoints.  Then, a
Palestinian fellow met us and drove us through the
Palestinian checkpoint to the girl’s school.  During
the entire drive, the Palestinian fellow was emotional upset and yelling about how the Israeli’s
had settled on their land.  I don’t know who he
thought I was, perhaps a CIA agent, but I was just
a “Joe the Plummer” nobody.  I couldn’t help him.
When we arrived at the school, I met the girl I
support, her father, classmates, teachers, and
administrators.  I was treated very well by the
Palestinians.  No trouble at all.  I had my video
camera and took pictures of me holding the little
girl, her classmates, teachers, administrators.
A couple of years laater I heard on the news that
the Israeli government had moved their citizens out
of settlements.  Whether it was the one in Rafah,
I don’t know.  But, following the withdrawal from
the settlements, SOME Palestinians kept bombing
Israel which has escalated into a real mess.  You
can’t blame the Palestinians for what a FEW
Palestinians do, just as you can’t blame Jesus
for what people do in his name.  During the drive
to the Gaza and back to Jerusalem, I noticed much
poverty, as I had seen in Cairo, Egypt.  Someone
needs to help these people establish an economic
structure, roads, water, sewer, etc., which will
improve their self-image.  When they look at the
new tall buildings and prosperity in Israel is
it any wonder that they feel frustrated and angry?
I would suggest a Palestinian State within the nation
of Israel.  Then, Israel would be required to assist
the Palestinians in developing the infrastrutures
they so despertately need.

hello. slaughtering people always attracks an audience. what if israel stopped leaning on God given directives and did what their hearts command of them? do israelis have hearts, or only pocketbooks? are their pocketbooks only filled with american dollars? is capitalism controlling their politics, or buying themselves artificial controls over other human beings? why the phony baloney surgical strikes on gaza, if they were committed to eliminating their problem: carpet bombing would have taken less than a week. why is the rest of the world involved with peoples that only take from everyone else and feel so righteous about not giving anything in return? how does this sound; exodus. Jerusalem can be an international city, israel can come live in western texas and eastern new mexico, and all your insanity would be just another day in the United States! the welcome mat is out israel= get off the pot. give that miserable land back to the arabs and go visit your holiest of holies,annually; if that does not exist in your hearts.

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•  “You, of course, like other Obamanites, support the power structue under the guise of promoting the intersts of the population.”

Folktruther,
Based on your general theory about the ‘power structure’ I do ‘follow’  how you would make this connection. You’re suggesting that we ‘support’ Obama because we ‘support’ the power structure that you believe selected him as the appointed PR head of same.

For the most part, I actually do agree with the basis of your theory as it has existed for the past several decades. The marriage between the “Government” and Corporations is a very long one, and I (like so many others of my generation) was at the wedding, predicting the disaster that it would become for us ‘witnesses’,  NOT the parties to the marriage.

But actually, they are the same, since the witnesses are in fact ‘we the people’ and we’ve watched as our Government became prostitutes for the Corporations pimping them. The result is that the Corps have been pimping US, if we consider it in terms of US being “The Government”.

Considering that, there really is no ‘guise’ involved in promoting the interests of the population. Theoretically speaking, the “Government” is the population, so supporting ‘The Government’ (ie the Constitution as the power structure) doesn’t require a ‘guise’.  The language is fairly clear enough..

That’s obviously not to dismiss the dismal record that we have in upholding the language of these documents, (because your favorite ruling class has been able to ignore and/or otherwise change these laws) but I’m not willing (yet) to believe that this isn’t the perfect opportunity to reverse some of this decades old damage, or that Barack Obama isn’t the best one to lead that effort, based on what are realistic conditions.

That effort basically requires returning the power structure to its rightful owners, and the Constitution is the vehicle that is available for such purposes. I do still have a measure of faith that this will be attempted by the Obama Admin, which is why I reject your analysis here:

•  “For example, you believe that 9/11 was a false flag operation and that the Israeli’s are oppressing the Palestinians, as I do.  But you argue for Obama who has stated he is not going prosecute anyone, he is going to ‘look forward not backward’, and he obviously supports the traditional position of the American power system of Israeli ethnic cleansing.  Indeed, he is continuing the policies of the Bushites in every sphere, since the power structure that installed him have picked him to support their unpopular policies.  Including ‘Reforming’ social security and medicare.”

In reality, Obama has NOT stated that ‘he is not going to prosecute anyone’. In fact, both he and his Attorney General Eric Holder, have stated exactly the opposite…claiming that if crimes have been committed,  they would be prosecuted, because no one is ABOVE the law. He ALSO said, (and in basically the same breath) that he didn’t want his first term administration bogged down in the mire of criminal prosecutions to the extent that it would prevent or interfere with the real politick required to effect legislation that addresses the very dire (and unprecedented) needs of the US population…the MAJORITY of us; The NON-ruling class.

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As far as I can see, that is an excellent cautionary position. If there are crimes to be prosecuted, (and we know that there are) those investigations and all of the related bureaucracy can still be accomplished within the administration, without it bogging down everything else. HOWEVER, we know very well what USUALLY HAPPENS when such things are attempted….it totally manipulates the national dialog, and the system loses any efficiency it might have once intended, especially with the GOP still holding such tenacious hold in places of the overall apparatus.
In other words, if he’s gonna pull this off, it’s not likely to be in a method that you (or any of us) would “know” in advance, or that he would ‘announce’  in advance, for obvious reasons. The perfect example is the current reaction to Reid’s plan to have Congress initiate such investigations. There are the usual pundits arguing fiercely against it, all over the news, and for a variety of bogus reasons. But there are many other groups of citizens pursuing the same agenda on their own dimes, and that too, will provide another vehicle for Obama to address these crimes without having to use any of his own political capital. So, why wouldn’t he, and why shouldn’t he? His critics would suggest that he’s “letting other people do his ‘dirty’ work” and there may be an element of truth to that in this respect. We could also see it as the prudent mechanics of a shrewd and efficient Administrator who effectively delegates tasks and chores across the spectrum. 

Meantime, it’s been less than a month, and I’m willing to wait for the fat lady to sing on this, if only because there are no other choices. That’s always the problem with the anti-power structure crowd. You all consistently promote upending it, (which is great) but you never have anything in mind for what you intend to replace it with, or how you intend to accomplish it, once you’ve ‘opposed’ the one in place. Obama’s plan seems far more viable, at least so far, and at least in terms of the immediate interests of the US population.

I will admit that he may be ignoring (more like AVOIDING) for the time being at least, any of the politics involved in bringing Israel to account for their crimes, but that is NOT the same as ‘supporting ethnic cleansing’ and I don’t find the rhetoric helpful. If anything, you can accuse him of avoidance politics in regard to Israel, based on the interests of a much larger population of US citizens in need. That’s ‘real politick’, and it’s the reality of the day. Then again, I’m not even sure we can accuse him of THAT, until his teams have been able to make their efforts.

regarding post By nefesh, February 14 at 1:32 pm:

Wow. How uninteresting and ineffective.

Just thought I’d check in and see how the idiots’ pogrom is doing - no surprise - all the usual suspects and all the usual falsehoods, libels, canards, and inanities.

Carry on, pogromniks, carry on.

Sorry for failing to provide the link in a previous post!

An interesting article on Obama’s stand on Israel. I know my friend Cyrena will not like this!
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Will Obama Break the Law for Israel’s Sake? - by Grant F. Smith - Antiwar.com*

http://www.antiwar.co /orig/gsmith.php?articleid=14229

Click the following to access the sent link:
   
   
Will Obama Break the Law for Israel’s Sake? - by Grant F. Smith - Antiwar.com*

Actually a good question, Cyrena, especially for a cyncial Obamanite like yourself.  What I think is the major problem is neither Obama nor the govenment, but the American power structure that largely controls the American power system.

The ruling class, which owns the means of productions, fund professionals in the political, academic, church and media, to form a power structure.  It rules through the corporations, notably the media corporations, the government, and the non-govermental agencies, such as the churches.  The power structure, which consists of less than 10% of the population, rules the vast majority of people by dividing and ruling, the American population being isolaed, seperated, disconnected and alienated from each other.

Obama is simply the public symbol of the power structure, as Bush was.  His policies, under Dem rhetoric, are the same: neoliberalism, military imperialism, and a militarized police state spying on the American people.  It doesn’t matter if people can elect a leader if all the viable candidates are nominated by the power structure.  The function of the Gops is to delude the Gop voters and the Dems to delude the Dem voters, both supporting the policies of the powerful.

This can only be done if the population is systematically indoctrinated with delusive irrationality.  This is accomplished to a greater degree than ever with the combination of TV and modern advertising techniques.  Religious and political delusions are combined with specious reasoning by public intellectuals and academics like yourself.

For example, you believe that 9/11 was a false flag operation and that the Israeli’s are oppressing the Palestinians, as I do.  But you argue for Obama who has stated he is not going prosecute anyone, he is going to ‘look forward not backward’, and he obviously supports the traditional position of the American power system of Israeli ethnic cleansing.  Indeed, he is continuing the policies of the Bushites in every sphere, since the power structure that installed him have picked him to support their unpopular policies.  Including ‘Reforming’ social security and medicare.

The American people must oppose the American power structure, not simply the public relations head, like Obama.  Since the corporations have largely destroyed and neutralized the unions and other public power institutions of the people,new ways of doing so must be worked out. But the fundamental distinction between the power structure and the population it rules must be made, since their interests are incompatible. The American power structure is driving the American people into the ground.

You, of course, like other Obamanites, support the power structue under the guise of promoting the intersts of the population.  So when Obama systematically breaks every promise he made while campaigning, you are right there rationalizing or sowing confusion with your filibusters.  Which is what the media does as well, when they are not castigating Obama for being a dangerous radical.

The American people must understand the enormity of how our conception of political reality has been distorted, just as our religious reality has been.  And this is a bi-partisan Dem-Gop, endeavor carried out by the learned and mass media.  The powerful lie to the people and the media repeats the lies as if they were true or reasonable.

The most important thing that must be done initially, therefore, is introduce a little reason in a political discourse corrupted by power.

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re:By Folktruther, February 13 at 8:06 am
Good post here Folktruther, (though I don’t think Inherit is as much a Zionist as Sephard or Howard, if such a thing can be measured in degrees. I don’t know.) Anyway, you frequently do make reasonable points and analysis by referencing facts, or at least the widely accepted evidence of what can and has been documented. But always somewhere in the text, (no matter how cleverly you suspect you might be hiding it) is your PERSONAL neurosis with Obama, and the constant (never ending really) propaganda to ideologically connect him to the same toxicity that has so ravaged the US structure over the last 3 decades at least, and was so effectively used to destroy us entirely during the rogue Admin of the past 8 years.
So, you say stuff like this:

•  “Like Bush, Obama is in reality opposed to a two state solution, but does not say so publically.”
It’s clever, but I still wanna know – HOW do YOU ‘know’ that Obama is really opposed to ‘a’ two-state solution, since you are forced to note that he’s never said anything of the sort? Since he hasn’t said that publically, but rather has endorsed the concept of the two-state solution, (at least theoretically) how do YOU know that ‘in reality’ he is ‘opposed’ to a two-state solution—- just like bush? Did he tell you that personally?

I’m guessing NOT, but of course nothing that obvious prevents you from asserting such ‘propaganda as knowledge’ here on this forum, in nearly every post you make. Indeed you are clever enough to mix it in with generally accepted historical data, but it’s still all just a product of your mania and/or obsessive hatred for Obama. You’re in the crowd with the Max Sheilds’, Diheys, troublesums, kdelphis, and all of the other cynics, a few of whom simply hate all government, regardless of who they are, but most of whom have no clue to a more productive way, so they just bitch and blame and add to the overall destruction. You all should considering forming your own separatist organization. You all could take over the clubhouse at Gitmo, since we don’t need it to house and torture mostly innocent men who were kidnapped in the “war on terror” anymore. You can retire there and discuss all the evils of the US duopoly and the day-to-day goings on of the Rulers of the World, just like in the soap operas.
Meantime, Jimmy Carter is promoting a plan, and there’s no reason for any of us normal people, (who don’t have an ‘in’ to what Obama is thinking, so are forced to take what he says at face value and in good faith – something he consistently does himself) to think that Obama opposes it. Why do you?

All part of the scheme, eh Folk?

You continue with this..
•  “Support for Obama is consequently support for increased ethnic cleansing by Israel.  All pseudo-progressive Israel Firsters support Obama.” Then: ..“So to solve the Israeli problem, real progressives have to oppose him to blunt his Zionist imperialism, neoliberalism, and policestatism.

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This is malicious rhetoric of course, even though you base it on an evidentiary truth in terms of the evils of Israel, and the degree to which so much of US policy is thereby controlled. We already recognize that evil, and exactly how it came about. We’ve traced it to the neocon movement, and there is absolutely nothing to suggest over the past 8 years, that Barack Obama was ever a ‘member’, and nothing connects him to that ideology now, including your charges of so-called policestatism.

Not only did he not initiate any of this shit, the truth is that the guy probably would never have run for office, (at least not now) if it hadn’t been for the rapid decline of our entire system, including that very clear and present danger of your so-called ‘policestatism’. Obama’s record on this opposition is well documented, (I’m not gonna run through them all, you can start with his opposition to the MCA) so your claims that he really wants to continue the Bush policies, even if you only singled out Israel, is really just a bunch of bullshit. And your ‘calls’ for us to ‘oppose’ Obama are thinly veiling your personal ideology.
 
In short, while there’s no doubt that American Zionism is and has been for decades now, a huge obstacle to any resolutions in the Occupied Territories, you have no legitimate basis for connecting Barack Obama to that same ideology, based on what he either does NOT say, or what YOU don’t hear him say.
That said, the universal boycott of Israel by common world citizens would be far more effective than using Obama as the dartboard to crucify Israel. Obama already admitted he wasn’t born in a manger. So no, we’re not offering him up for your crucifixion, to pay for the sins of Israel; no matter how psychologically satisfying that might be to you.
We have LOTS of tools we can use to deal with Israel, and we don’t need Obama’s specific permission. All he has to do is his job in cooperating with the World Community. So far, there is every indication that he plans to do that.
Which MEANS…you’re still just talking the same trash and burying it in new spaces. Just exactly what form is your ‘call to arms/oppose Obama’ supposed to take anyway? Are we supposed to all ‘rise up’ or join one of the neo-Nazi supremacists’ currently infiltrating the armed services and plotting assassinations?

http://www.splcenter.org/

How do you suggest we ‘oppose’ him on behalf of the Palestinians, without risking the best chance we have, (though admittedly slim) for any possible recovery of our society?

Meantime Folktruther, I have a really simple question for you, though it may take some time for you to “think” on for a careful evasion/dodge. Still, let’s see how you do. Here’s the question:
Do you hate the American government in general, or just Barack Obama as the current President/Statesman/Administrator thereof?

If your answer is ‘both’, than it’s a dodge, so don’t waste our time with that.

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P.T. Thanks for the link to the video of the drunken and viciously violent settler. We know that to be typical, but it seems that others (mostly American Zionists whether they are Jews or not) don’t really seem to grasp the reality of what goes on in the Occupied Territories. I’ve decided it’s a very willful denial in most cases, but maybe the ‘shock value’ of reality doses will help those whose ignorance is not willful.

It really bugs me that I can’t vote in Israeli elections, yet they control the most important and destructive aspects of my own government’s foreign policy.

They have succeeded in dragging us into calamity after calamity, and they have forced us to endorse and assist their every crime, hugely increasing world hatred against us in the process. Most recently, they got Hillary Clinton to drop plans to make Gen. Anthony Zinni envoy to Iraq. And guess why? Because they want to have a war against Iran, and they’re afraid Zinni would stand in their way - since Iraq is between Israel and Iran, and Zinni has a history of occasionally deviating from AIPAC’s dictates.

Furthermore, Israel’s lobbyists in the US don’t even have to register as foreign lobbyists, and therefore they don’t have to abide by the restrictions our laws place on foreign lobbyists. Israel is the worst thing that ever happened to the United States of America.

What must be dealt with is shown in this video.  It is a foul, drunken Zionist settler making threats.  Click on http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=6595

Fadel is absolutely right, one of his best posts clearly outlining the problem and solution. The US-Israel power structures do not want Security, they want expansion through ethnic cleansing.  And the chief money and media leading this ethnic cleansing are Jewish billionaires, who are Israeli Firsters. 

They support American and Israeli imperialism, neocons and neolibs, and an American and Israeli police state to acheive their aims. They are fanatics and ruthless, they collectively control hundreds of billions of dollars, and they largely control both parities in the US.

The Isareli Firsters, who among the truthdiggers include Sepharad, Howard, and Inherit, have been appointed to Obama’s cabinet to support and finance Israeli’s ethnic cleansing, Isreal’s imperialistic and colonial expansion under the guise of the Securityh of a two state solution.  Like Bush, Obama is in reality opposed to a two state solution, but does not say so publically.  Support for Obama is consequently support for increased ethnic cleansing by Israel.  All pseudo-progressive Israel Firsters support Obama.

So to solve the Israeli problem, real progressives have to oppose him to blunt his Zionist imperialism, neoliberalism, and policestatism.  And they have to oppose aid and trade with Isarel, the breaking off of relations, sanctions, diinvestmaent, boycott of Zionist businesses, demonstrations against Embassies, etc.  Israel is dragging down the US, its supporters preventing the military budget from being cut so Isarel can get its share.

Zionism is a central issue in the US because it is the glue that holds together the neoliberal imperialists, both Jews and non-Jews.  It is American Zionism that must be attacked to solve the Israli historical problem.  Which now has taken an onimous turn for the worse with the last election.

Lieberman, a family relation to our schizophenic “independent” Senator from CT? Or is Joe using his Duel citizenship to run back & forth to the other country he has pledged his allegience too?
This ability for Elected officials to carry Duel Citizenships Outrages the Hell Out of me! How can you take an oath to Protect and defend Our Constitution (and People) when you obviously have mixed alliances? Which Public are they Serving? Our Lieberman can’t figure out which party he supports: has proven he not only supports sociopaths like Hagee who are hell bent on igniting Armegeddon, But also agrees that Only those 144,000 CONVERTED jew will be ‘raptured’. The man has no allegience to his own religion and heritage. How can he be trusted to act honestly on Our Behalf and remain True to US? As far as I’m Concerned Israel can have our LIEberman too!

Few points:

1. The Israeli election is not only a lose-lose situation for Israel itself, but rather it’s a lose-lose situation to to the whole region, to America and to the cause of peace at large.

2. The most fanatic and intransigent elements in Israel are American Jews who populate the illegal settlement, making any future peace negotiations impossible.

3. In light of this, America is not only contributing weapons of mass destruction and billions of dollars in scarce treasury, badly needed at home, but also sending to Palestine human bombs in the forms of those fanatic American Zionists who are allowed to emigrate to Israel to populate the ever increasing illegal settlements in occupied Palestine.

4. Consequently, the Palestinians in particular and the Arabs in general are right when they consider America its enemy, and thus Americans have only themselves to blame for the continued enmity of the Palestinian victims and have only themselves to blame for any future terrorist acts of retaliation against American interests and targets!

5. Since, aside from the fanatic Zionists and the minority American political-military-industrial complex, most average Americans are fair-minded and peace-loving, it behooves them to hasten working hard to change the errant policies of their ruling elite and government who further complicate the Palestinian-Israeli situation with their blinded support for the aggressors and evil occupiers.

6. Given all the known facts about American deep involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, on the side of the Israeli wrong , en essence, the Israeli-Palestinian problem is an American problem and the non-military solution to this problem must go through Washington. And to awaken the ruling American oligarchy to the need for a corrective movement on this issue, main street America must organize and must demand a change before it’s late for everyone involved!

Nice one, William.

Israel, from the beginning, has opposed any realistic peace agreement with the Arabs because that would mean having to end Zionist expansionism.  The exception was the deal with Egypt, but that only came about as a result of the 1973 war, when Israel started to fear Egypt.  Since then, Israeli so-called peace negotiations have been a sham.

•  “The U.N. Security Council called for withdrawal from occupied lands, the security of all states within fixed frontiers, freedom of navigation and settlement of the refugee problem. The Arab states (other than Syria) replied that they would admit no peace with Israel, no negotiations, no recognition of it.”

This is a standard piece of ‘information’ that I generally hear from the hardcore Zionists here on TD, in some form or fashion. Sepharad made a similar claim about some sort of a ‘partition agreement’ that the Arab states supposedly refused. I mean, if I’ve heard it once, I’ve heard it several dozens times. (frequently from the same broken records).
But, I don’t know of this supposedly happening at the time, (The UN Security Council call for the withdrawal from occupied lands, and all of the rest) even though it seems like I SHOULD. It never occurred to me to verify it when all of the Zionists were making the claim, (basic story with different details) just because of who it was coming from. So, my bad on that. I generally do follow-thru on stuff like that.

Still, just the UN call for such withdrawal and other action doesn’t mean Israel would have actually done it, and having already (at least by that time) cleansed at least a million people, I think it’s pretty understandable why none of the Arab states (other than Syria Pfaff says) refused to consider it. It would be a tragedy if it really would have made a difference, Based on just this short paragraph from Pfaff, it doesn’t seem like it would have been so clear-cut, when he includes ‘settling the refugee problem.’

My own memory, (not entirely trustworthy without verification) is that this was the same ‘deal’ that DENIED all Palestinians a right to return to their homes – EVER! If I’m correct, Pfaff doesn’t mention that part, and neither do any of the other Zionists when they casually mention that the Arab states ‘refused everything’.  The right of return was a primary issue for the Palestinians, even though it had been 20 years into their expulsion. 20 years of deplorable refugee camp conditions certainly didn’t make them any LESS inclined to want to return home, just like they’re no less inclined to want to return home NOW.

So how did it, or should it have fallen to the rest of the Arab states to decide the fate of the Palestinians?  How arrogant is that? Blame it on them for not accepting a ‘deal’? One that the Zionists ALWAYS planned anyway…which was to eliminate them entirely. If they could force them all to move to other Arab states, (which is what happened anyway) then they get the whole area (Arab free) with ZERO financial or moral responsibility for the people that had so abused in the genocide up to that point. That’s more than chutzpah; it goes beyond anything that any normal human can endure, without some reaction.
So, does Israel know why the whole world (excluding the US) hates them? I think so. And of course we know that they really don’t give a shit if the world hates them, as long as the US keeps feeding the monster that Israel is.

Meantime, this is an excellent piece, (besides my one complaint there).  I’m going to share it with those who may have faulty or non-existent memories as to what this 60-year long genocide has been about.

As for the lose-lose Israeli election, Pfaff couldn’t be more correct. It’s very depressing. Thing is, I don’t know what this will end up doing to Barack Obama and/or his administration, since there is no ‘diplomacy’ in the tea leaves anywhere in Tel Aviv. 

More of the same cruel irony. The West has the audacity to blame Palestinians for choosing ‘terrorists’ for leaders. I guess that means the Israeli electorate has a death wish themselves.

But, who am I to talk. Enough of my fellow citizens ignorantly and with hubris subjected the rest of us to the worst terror regime in US history; for 8 flippin’ years! The damage continues.

What is this…a lesson plan for your seventh-grade class or something? Or did Rip Van Winkle suddenly wake up after forty-two years of innocent slumber and now needs a cursory synopsis of the last four decades in the Middle East? Since there’s so little progress on this front - same old Israeli rejectionism, same old Palestinian suffering, same old worldwide indifference - there’s not much new left to say anymore, it would appear. The seamless transition from the old American regime to the new one has been completed without a hitch for The Lobby and all that remains is for Barack Hussein Obama to change his middle name to AIPAC and the latest ‘convergence of interests’ will be complete. Although it is a little novel to describe it as, “What actually is happening is that the Palestinian occupation is driving numbers of Israelis and their supporters toward moral and political suicide”  It’s not exactly clear what Palestinians are occupying. Generally, it’s thought to be an Israeli occupation that is driving numbers of Palestinians to suicide. But maybe it’s all just a matter of semantics. In any event, one certainly need not wait “a hundred years, or a thousand years” to ask if “there will any longer be an Israel where Jewish worshipers will recall the” Commandments: Thou Shalt Not Kill, Thou Shalt Not Steal, Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness, Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor’s Property. No wonder, “God is provoked every day.”

The article botches some of the history of the 1967 war.  After Israel threatened and laid plans to attack Syria, Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser declared the Straits of Tiran closed to Israeli shipping, but Israel made almost no use of the Straits (apart from the passage of oil, of which Israel then had ample stocks).  Furthermore, Nasser did not in practice enforce the blockade, vessels passing freely through the Straits within days of his announcement.

Israel attacked in 1967 to grab land and water.  There was nothing to negotiate because Israel had no intention of leaving.  Moshe Dayan said, You (Palestinians) shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes may leave.  The U.S. has continued to back Israel.