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Obama Will Back Israel

Posted on Jan 8, 2009
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Campaign flashback: Barack Obama is presented with an “I Love Sderot” T-shirt by Sderot Mayor Eli Moyal as they stand in front of a display of rockets that landed in southern Israel.

By Bill Boyarsky

The goal of Hamas and its soul mates, Hezbollah and Iran, is the destruction of the state of Israel and its Jewish citizens.

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Israel is defending itself in the Gaza war, even though pictures of dead and wounded Gaza residents on television, on the Internet and in the newspapers give the impression of Israeli aggression. Hamas has cynically helped create that impression by launching its rocket attacks from among civilians.

President-elect Barack Obama seems to understand this. That is why, once he takes office, he should move to stop Hamas from firing rockets into Israel and smuggling arms through its network of tunnels.

From what he has said, that’s what he’ll do. Obama and other sensible people will seek a two-state solution with Palestinians and Jews living in something that at least approaches peace.

Granted, his recent predecessors failed. Only Jimmy Carter, negotiating the Camp David accords between Israel and Egypt, succeeded. But I’m betting on the new guy, a man who has already achieved something previously thought impossible.


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The present violence began while America was celebrating a new chapter in its history, the election of the first African-American president.  As this country looked forward, events conspired to drag Obama backward, into the decades-old struggle that started when Jews returned to their biblical homeland, first in a trickle and then en masse after World War II.

On Tuesday, Nov. 4, Election Day, Israeli forces entered Gaza to destroy a tunnel they suspected was to be used for abducting soldiers. Hamas used such a tunnel in June 2006 to kidnap Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier who is still being held. The Israelis killed one Hamas gunman and wounded at least three others. Hamas fired back with rockets, Reuters reported at the time. Israeli airstrikes killed five more men, identified by Reuters and the Associated Press as militants, and Hamas blasted Israel with dozens of rockets. The barrage had been preceded by years of Hamas firing its rockets into Israeli communities. A truce in effect since June was shattered, and on Dec. 19, Hamas ended the cease-fire.

The outlines of another temporary truce may be emerging.

Israel agreed to halt fighting for three hours a day to allow food, medical supplies and other aid into the battered territory. This came after an Israeli attack on a U.N. school building used as a shelter killed 40 people, according to the United Nations. Israelis said Hamas was firing from the school, but Bloomberg reported that the U.N. Relief and Works Agency said it was “99.9” percent certain there were no militants in the school. Bloomberg quoted Mu’awia Hassanein, chief of emergency medical services in Gaza, as saying at least 630 Palestinians have died in the onslaught and 2,600 have been wounded. U.N. officials said as many as a quarter of the Palestinians killed were civilians, a figure Israel disputes as too high.

Possible terms of a cease-fire were outlined by former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who represents the entities known as the Mideast Quartet —the United Nations, United States, Russia and the European Union.

Blair said that any cease-fire in the Gaza conflict will require “clear and definitive action” to halt the smuggling of weapons and money into the Hamas-ruled Palestinian territory.

“If there is strong action on that front, so that Israel feels it has achieved something—namely the end of the smuggling of weapons and finance to Hamas—then I think it is possible to resolve this reasonably quickly,” Blair told CNN. “If that doesn’t happen, if we’re not in that position, then obviously it’s going to go on.”

Obama has said little, a position that has drawn criticism from the Jewish right wing and the American left. When the Israelis blasted the Gaza school site, all Obama said was that “the loss of civilian life in Gaza and Israel is a source of deep concern for me.” But he reiterated that only President George W. Bush would speak for U.S. foreign policy until the inauguration.

That sounds like a political copout. Obama is overwhelmed with a recession teetering into a depression and with assembling a national security team that he can trust not to continue Bush administration policies. He’ll be pounded from the left and the right no matter what he does on Gaza, because he will almost certainly choose the middle of the road. But the very fact that he had to comment after the school bombing shows how difficult it will be for him to remain silent until inauguration day.

Based on everything he said during the campaign, Obama appears determined to stand up for Israel.

A memorable example of this occurred last July 23 when he visited Sderot, a frequent Hamas rocket target, during his trip to the Middle East and Europe. The moment is preserved on YouTube and should be viewed by anyone who doubts where Obama is headed on this issue.

Standing in front of a pile of spent rocket casings, he said: “I’m here to say as an American and as a friend of Israel that we stand with the people of Sderot and with all of the people of Israel.

“The Qassam rockets fired by Hamas deliberately and indiscriminately target civilians, and this terror is intolerable. Israelis should not have to live in danger in their homes and schools. ... Israel must always stand up for its right to defend itself against those who threaten its people. To achieve true security I am deeply committed to helping Israel achieve a lasting peace with Palestinians who accept the state of Israel, renounce violence and terrorism and abide by agreements.”

He said he favored “a strong, secure state of Israel living besides a viable and peaceful Palestinian state.” He also condemned an “Iranian regime that sponsors terrorism, pursues nuclear weapons and threatens Israel’s existence. A nuclear Iran would pose a grave threat, and the world must prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.”

“I bring to Sderot an unshakable commitment to Israel’s security. The state of Israel faces determined enemies who seek its destruction. But it also has a friend and ally in the United States that will also stand by Israel.”

Standing by Israel means standing up for its continued existence as a Jewish state. Hamas and its allies want every Jew in Israel dead or gone. That’s what the Gaza war is about, and that’s what Obama has promised won’t happen.

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By marimbadearco, January 12, 2009 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

I get the daily news roundup on Venez too, but unfortunately that’s what’s printed in the US mostly—and there’s a fatwa against positive and/or reality-based reporting on Venez. in N. America.
If you can read Spanish, check out:

I’d interested to follow up on the folks you mentioned were once on but now (were forced to) have their own websites. Check w/ them if necessary, but I’d like to see what they’re up to; always interested in different takes within basic progressive parameters. (The rest isn’t just easy to find, but hard to avoid, like NPR - National Petagon Radio).

Free for all comments on articles are one thing; basic editorial direction to keep a site like TruthDig from degenerating into the Washington Times is another.

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By KDelphi, January 12, 2009 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

marimbadearo—I agree with you an everyting but the censorship…

I am sorry to disagree, but, Common Dreams has banned so many people that it is boring! Several of these people are very educated leaders of the Left, and have started their own sites, where, initailly , they talked about it, trying to figure out what it was they had said.

Many complained that they were allowed back on , come donation time , year end!

I would give their names and sites, but I should ask first.

I was banned, but, magically allowed back on. I just go there to read articles. They have some very good ones. AlterNet , I like, but havent been there , except a few times. I dont see how people can really discuss an issue if any “side’ is left out. Its just not honest. You know the saying, “disagree with you , but, die for your right to say it”...well, I certainly wouldnt die for Boyarsky, but , you get my

I am just tired of censorship.There are alot of things we do not have in this country (and most are things liberals want!) But, attempting to not sound like a cliche, and probably failing at it, we are supposed to be able to say what we please. There are many articles here about Gaza—this is one, I disagree with entirely. But, I am becoming disgusted with censorship on the internet. Where did we get this idea—it is what neo-cons do…

If I argue for censorship here, it will seem easier to do on google, etc.

If CD can choose to “filter” its site of certain things, TD can filter or not, as they please, it seems to me.

There have been few articles on Venzuela period! (I get a daily newsletter from them).And, even fewer that are positive. There are a fair number on other sites, but you do have to look. I just get very nervous when people start saying that “certain things” (whether I agree with it or nto) “should not be said or printed”. It just doesnt feel right to me.

What if TD decided that your post about them making a mistake in printing the article was decided to been “wrong” and not posted? You see what i mean, right? What if someone had complained to them about it, and, it was “removed”?

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By M.B.S.S., January 12, 2009 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

“How ignorant can people be? Isreal,...”


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By marimbadearco, January 12, 2009 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

Hi KDellphi, I appreciate your frankness, that’s the positive side of unfiltered comments, and don’t worry I take no offense.

And I couldn’t agree more w/ the example you gave of Google, but the problem is that they’re supposed to completely open.  I understand the slippery slope analogy, but one doesn’t expect TruthDig to be filled with FauxNews writers all of a sudden: let them fill up their own website.  That’s where editorial direction comes in, and I’m weighing in that Bill Boyarsky shouldn’t be chosen from the many writers for a progressive site that also hopes to establish a reputation for careful scrutiny, including hard, unblinking looks at people/movements we have hopes have/are/will do good stuff. and have done a better job at heading off conservative and mis/disinformed postings despite their larger amount of articles.  I like Truthdig, otherwise I wouldn’t bother.  I think—are any editors reading this?—that enough accurate response got TruthDig to correctly decide that Marc Cooper’s inaccurate and quite conservative screed against Venezuela meant he should be asked to stay on topics where he has progressive, at least anti-imperialist politics. And he has, some writings on Los Angeles, immigration, much different in political stance than his agreement w/ ruling classes in US and Venezuela on the movement in Venezuela and Hugo Chavez.
So much so there’s basically been nothing about the most dynamic progressive social movement, Venezuela’s, on this site for way too long.  It’d be nice to have that corrected.

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By KDelphi, January 12, 2009 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment

Hollywood Russ—” The support of Isreal’s sovereignty has been the corner-stone of American Mid-East policy since Isreal was founded.”

Exactly! That is alot of the problem!

This is from HuffPo, by Robert Naiman (

On Dennis Ross:

“Daniel Kurtzer, an adviser to Obama, has written that American and Arab negotiators saw Ross as biased and not “an honest broker.” One Arab negotiator said, “The perception always was that Dennis [Ross] started from the Israeli bottom line, that he listened to what Israel wanted and then tried to sell it to the Arabs.” Aaron David Miller, who also served on the U.S. team, has written that under Clinton U.S. negotiators acted as “Israel’s lawyer,” rather than focusing on what would enable both sides to reach agreement.

We’re seeing today the disastrous consequences in Gaza of Dennis Ross-style “diplomacy.” Do we really want “Israel’s lawyer” in charge of U.S. diplomacy with Iran?

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By Hollywood Russ, January 12, 2009 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

How ignorant can people be? Isreal, our only real ally, the only real democracy in the Middle East, is being painted as an enemy of America here? The support of Isreal’s sovereignty has been the corner-stone of American Mid-East policy since Isreal was founded. Are people this misinformed? The Palestinians are lobing rockets into Isreal without any regard to where they land. They dig tunnels to kidnap Isreali soldiers who are off-duty. How is this acceptable on any level?

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By KDelphi, January 12, 2009 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

marimbadearco—I agree with you that, us focusing on blue boy is pointless. However, I disagree that the article should not be posted.

That is why there is a place for comments. To say that you disagree with the article, think it is sloppy journalism, etc. I know what you are saying, but, internet censorship is becoming a huge problem. Google is getting ridiculous. A site I had been corresponding with , for anti-draft in Israel, has been shut down completely. Other sites, too. If we disallow other opinons, we are doing the same.

Because censorship is such a slippery slope, I’m pretty much inclined to say that everyone should be ablt to say ahw thtey want to say. Read another article, scroll past posts, etc. I do that alot. (shouldve been doing it with blue boy!)

The police blotter and snuff -pics I received from heh neo-nazi group the day after Obama’s election, were pretty tough to handle. But…sigh…they can say anything they like. I just dont go to the site that it “sprung from” anymore..

Made me throw up and an ex-Marine almost…pretty awful. But, I would “let it go” to be able to say what I really think. I am not attacking you, ok?

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By marimbadearco, January 12, 2009 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

For anyone still following this thread, let’s forget beating our heads against folks like blueboy1938 and focus our efforts at the articles itself: there will always be confused to full-out right-wing comments posted, this is an open website.
But TruthDig should be more careful of the articles they post.  The criteria should be truth, and Boyarsky’s writing clearly fails this test.
Editors of TruthDig—any chance to read a response from one of you (eg. as a post here) about this problem?

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By PatrickHenry, January 12, 2009 at 4:45 am Link to this comment

By Blueboy1938, January 11 at 10:10 pm #

Remember Stalingrad?

Israelis can make all the rubble they want, the partisans will just use it as fighting positions.

Once the Palestinians obtain modern anti-tank and anti-air weapons all bets are off.  Israel does better at sneak attacks than protracted conventional warfare.  This is why they are massacring the civilians, they can’t goad the fighters to engage them en masse. 

In a war of attrition the Palestinians will win.

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By Blueboy1938, January 11, 2009 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

Hamas did not provide food or medicine for the Gazan Palestinians under its control and have not evacuated them to a safe distance from the fighting.  That’s a fact.  Otherwise, they would not need relief food and medicine, and they would not be getting killed or maimed by being in harms way.  Hamas would not be able to sustain a week against the Israeli military if it were not using civilians as cover.  That is the nature of the asymmetrical combat they wage.  No civilians, no propaganda, no cover.

Until Hamas drops its stated intent and concerted actions to obliterate Israel and the Israelis, peace will not be possible.  Is that what you want for the Gazan Palestinians?  Constant poverty and disenfranchisement?  I am not “for” Israel in its misguided and counterproductive military reactions.  I am for the Palestinians getting the peace and self-governing territories they want and need, so that they can start building a modern life for themselves, absent the medieval conditions and political subjugation they suffer under the murderous Hamas leadership.

I really can’t believe that anyone wants Hamas to continue to have such a disastrous effect on people they claim to support.  It’s incomprehensible.

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By rigo23, January 11, 2009 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

“I reiterate:  the Gazan Palestinians are under Hamas’ armed control, and are suffering specifically because Hamas subjects them to it.  Boyarsky, Dershowitz, and the L. A. Times editorial today back that up.”

Editorials don’t produce facts, Blueboy.  They opine on them and/or mold them to suit their opinion. And if I’m sorry, but I’ll put the Red Cross, Norman Filkenstein, Jimmy Carter, the U.N., Amy Goodman and pretty much the rest of the world except for U.S. and Micronesia against Boyarsky, Dershowitz, and the L.A. Times anyday.

“Hamas is intentionally keeping Palestinian women and children in harms way, firing rockets from houses, hospitals, and mosques, because it suits their purposes.  Theses are facts;”

This the line advanced by only two countries in the world: the U.S. and Israel.  The people “on the ground” like Christopher Gunness of the UNRWA, (not Hamas) as well as the brave Norwegian doctors, (again, not Hamas) will tell you that safe shelters (some of them schools), the coordinates of which were provided to the IDF beforehand, and which were vetted for Hamas elements beforehand, were *deliberately* fired upon, with many succumbing to this clear violation of the Geneva Conventions.  And the record is *very* clear. Israel, not Hamas violated the ceasefire on Nov. 4.  This is absolutely irrefutable, so stop lying.

You are entitled to your own opinions, Blueboy, but not your own facts.

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By Blueboy1938, January 11, 2009 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

Excuse me, but I do not support Israel’s settlements nor its hampering in any way of access to adequate resources and opportunities for the Palestinian people.  I don’t see any way out of this without Hamas accepting that Israel exists and will continue to exist and the establishment of the two-state solution with the Palestinians somehow getting a moderate govenment that will stop making perennial war and get down to business, supported by newly positive arab neighbors.  I don’t think that the people who actually were Zionist terrorists acted any less criminally than Hamas acts now.  So, if that’s Ziofascist, so be it.

I reiterate:  the Gazan Palestinians are under Hamas’ armed control, and are suffering specifically because Hamas subjects them to it.  Boyarsky, Dershowitz, and the L. A. Times editorial today back that up.  Israel has an advantage when it comes to armed encounters.  That doesn’t bother Hamas, because they want martyrs and recruits, and Israel plays into their hands whenever it gets provoked enough by Hamas to do something about it.  Hamas is intentionally keeping Palestinian women and children in harms way, firing rockets from houses, hospitals, and mosques, because it suits their purposes.  Theses are facts; neither Zionist facts nor Hamas facts; just facts.  I really don’t mind being called nasty (in the minds of the callers) names when the people doing the name-calling are so oblivious to the facts on the ground.

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By jersey girl, January 11, 2009 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

Dropping the “zionist” rheoric when referring to the Israeli govt would be like dropping the “neo-con"rhetoric when speaking of the Bush regime.

All Israelis are not zionists just as all americans are not neo-cons.  Many Israelis are appalled at what their govt is doing in their name just as many Americans are appalled at what has been done in their name.

I’m sick of people assuming because you use the term zionist that you are anti-semetic.

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By jersey girl, January 11, 2009 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

Obama chose Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff.  Not only is he a dual citizen but he fought in the Israeli army. He is a radical zionist. There is no doubt in my mind where his loyalties lie and in turn Obama’s.

There will be more killing of innocent children in gaza until the last one lies dying in the sand.

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By KDelphi, January 11, 2009 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

Blueboy—No, we cannot “drop the Zionism” rhetoric, because, Zionism does NOT = Judaism. There are many Jews who do NOT believe in the idea of the “promised land”, or use the Torrah as a foreign policy statement.. It is not a legal document.

Zionism is integral to what Israel is doing!

If you drop the Judaism “thing” entirely, then, why does Israel exist?

The only reason Palestinians have not been totally destroyed, is not Israels lack of desire—it is world opinion. Alot of Israel’s ability to make this kind of “war” rests in the hands of the uS.

I can wait to see how you will implement your “bomb anyone with intent” policy.

Does the uS have enough bombs left to bomb all the people who “intend” us harm?

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By Folktruther, January 11, 2009 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

Blueboy—You really hurt me deeply by your assertion that my last comment was the most appalling statement ever made on truthdig. I’ve made far more appalling statements than this, statments that offended Ziofascists like yourself much more deeply. I suppose it was the political combination of anti-Zionism and the truth about the lying opportunism of Obama that drove you into an electronic frenzy.

Be of good cheer.  With a little luck perhaps I can make truth assertions that will appall you even more.  More important, we can only hope the entire American people do.


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By marimbadearco, January 11, 2009 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

Blueboy1938, I fear that the comment on Obama you objected to is more accurate than either you, I, nor probably practically everyone else who visits this site wants it to be. HOPEfully it will be proven wrong; but be ready to eat some electrons!

I would consider your post downright left-radical compared to anything coming out of the Mainstream Media; but even so, I take is as quick to condemn Hamas without giving full credit to the ugliness of past and current Israeli governments (heroic Israeli dissidents notwithstanding.)

The reason Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on earth is because all these people were forced with violence to leave where they once were and forced on top of each other in this strip—and ever since prevented by violence to return from whence they came.  That area was ethnically cleansed of Palestinians and is now overwhelming inhabited by Jewish Israelis.

In a just solution, with wonderful political leadership on both sides and sweep of righteous political consciousness sweeping both populations, in this dream scenario we all share: where do all these packed-in people end up being able to go? It’s rather a litmus test for seriousness of considering justice in this part of West Asia: could the squeezed-in residents of the Gaza Ghetto be able to move to a more reasonable place—could they return home?

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By Blueboy1938, January 10, 2009 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment

“He came so far so fast politically without significant acheivement because he was selected by his mentors as a Good Boy who will do as he is told and put a black face on the policy of Rich White Men.” Folktruther, January 10 at 7:58 pm

If that isn’t the most appalling statement anyone has ever made on Truthdig, I’ll eat every electron that has ever been employed on its behalf.

Look, folks.  Let’s stipulate that pretty much everyone wants to see the Israel/Palestinian situation resolved.  Withdrawal by Israel of all those illegal settlements, cessation of hostilities by Hamas and Hezbullah, an end to Iran’s interference, the regime change to a moderate, constructive Palestinian leadership, real economic support and humanitarian relief for the suffering Palestinians, mobilization of the entire world community to ensure that happens, recognition of Israel, if not regularized relations with its neighbors and their wholehearted support of their Palestinian brothers and sisters, for starters.

Can we drop the “Zionist” rhetoric?  After all, Israel has existed for 60 years,now, and it’s not going away.  Can we drop the ridiculous “genocide” accusations?  If Israel were seriously genocidal, we wouldn’t be having these dialogues, because the Palestinians would have been wiped out decades ago.  Besides, if anything, Hamas is the perpetrator of genocide, with its declared intention of destroying Israel and killing as many Israelis as possible, carried out by homicide bombers and rockets.  The fact that they are not very good at it doesn’t change their intent.

Hamas occupies Gaza by armed force.  Until that totalitarian control is ended and Hamas drops its “push Israel and the Israelis into the sea” position, nothing but continuous mayhem will ensue.  Nothing will be resolved.  The Palestinians will continue to be the suffering hostages of Hamas.

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By Folktruther, January 10, 2009 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

It is becoming increasingly apparent that Obama is a political lightweight who will serve the same front office function for the DEM neoliberal imperilists that Bush did for the GOP Cheney- Rumsfield.

He came so far so fast politically without significant acheivement because he was selected by his mentors as a Good Boy who will do as he is told and put a black face on the policy of Rich White Men.
This is the role Rice has played in the Bushite regime and the role Powell played when he went before the UN and lied through his teeth to justifiy the US invasion of Iraq.

Obama was mentored by Zbig Brzensinski while he was an undergraduate at Columbia, and, upon graduation, worked a year in a CIA fromt business group, which he was evasive about in his first book.  It was while he was with his organization that he was sent to Pakistan, which he now wants to bomb or invade.

This is the only foreign policy experience he’s had.  He has no military experience, so he will rely on Biden, a commiteed Zionist warmonger, and Bush’s Sec of Defense, Gates.  He will rely on the Rubin, etc neoliberals for his economic polices.  His pro-Israeli Zionism is guaranteed by all his Zionist appoiments.  He will pray a lot, like Bush, starting off with a religious bigot at the Inaugeration.

He has been boxed in militarily, economically and financially by the Bushites, right where the neoliberal imperialists want him.  His economic policies continues Bushite attempts to gut Social Security and Medicare, whe he has featured as the centerpiece of his plans.  He will smile a lot and make really nice speeches while his senior advisers grind the American people and the people of the world into the ground.

He will trianguate the US Elite consensus, become the center of the DemGop bloc, initially isolating the right and left wings.  This triangulating strategy assures immobility as the US world power declines and US class inequality increases, probably more slowly than under Bush.

He and his handlers are betting that they can manage the DemGop blocheads sufficently to win the following election.  Politically not a bad bet.  But strategically disastrous for the American people.

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By Steven, January 10, 2009 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
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Blueboy1938 & Alan Dershowitz still do not get it.  You lose your right to accuse Hamas of anything once you start to kill innocent children en masse in Gaza.  Blueboy1938, it would probably serve you better to not use Dershowitz to back-up your points.  This is the same guy who supported Bush/Cheney torture.  Here is a quote from his 2003 rant:

““Democracies must be legally empowered to attack terrorists who hide among civilians, so long as proportional force is employed. Civilians who are killed while being used as human shields by terrorists must be deemed the victims of the terrorists who have chosen to hide among them, rather than those of the democracies who may have fired the fatal shot.”

Excuse me?  So what if a terrorist is spotted in Tel Aviv, do you blow up the building or car only to explain to the families of the Israeli civilians that they were just collateral damage or better yet, it’s was Hamas’s fault.  No, Dershowitz is suggesting that it’s okay to kill other Palestineans or Arabs who have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism except that some fanatical decided to fire a rocket next to your house who you couldn’t stop anyways because he’s a crazy terrorist who would kill you as well.  Dershowitz is nothing but a fanatical Zionist who has become so blinded by his faith that he promotes killing of innocent people.  Kinda reminds me of someone else.  The truly scary part is that this is how our President has thought for the past 8 years.

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By Virginia777, January 10, 2009 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

Alan Dershowitz sounds like the L.A. Time’s Benny Morris

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By Virginia777, January 10, 2009 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

I agree with Cyrena, Obama is not going to have the same tolerance of Israel that the Bush administration did.

The recent unacceptable behavior of Israel is “sealing the deal”.

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By Blueboy1938, January 10, 2009 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

First of all, I want to thank Alan Dershowittz for completely echoing my posts in today’s Los Angeles Times:,0,2587090.story

He reiterates that it is Hamas that is responsible for the tragedy of the Palestinians in Gaza.

As for the entirely specious claim that it was Israel that ended the cease fire, here is a London Telegram report that, no, it was Hamas:

I fail to grasp how Hamas’ statements that it has sworn to destroy Israel, and Iran’s Ahmadinejad’s statements that he would like to see Israel wiped off the map are figments of “sloppy reporting.”  These positions have never been recanted and form the basis for Iran’s anti-Israel policies in the region and the activities of its proxies, Hamas and Hezbullah.  Stating that these statements do not represent the intent of the speakers is delusional, expressly because their actions back up their words.

The impoverished and beleaguered Palestinians in Gaza are the victims of Hamas and its murderous designs.  Hamas was never elected to take control of Gaza by armed force.  Hamas uses Palestinians as pity props, putting them in harms way when it suits them, and the rest of the time just making sure that relief efforts cannot relieve their abject suffering.  Blaming Israel for that calculated strategy and its terrible effects on the Palistinians in Gaza is absurd.

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By riverchat, January 10, 2009 at 11:21 am Link to this comment
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This kind of cherry-picking revisionism is what obscures the road to peace.  Northern Ireland didn’t succeed by killing all the Catholics.  It’s time the parties stop shooting and start listening.

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By Folktruther, January 10, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

Israel, like America, is based on ethnic cleansing.  Just as the US was founded on the genocide of the Indians, Israel was founded on stealing of the killing and ejecting from their homes the Palestinian people. This is covered up by the US media, with journalists like Boyarsky deluding rank and file progressives and getting them to support right wing policies.

With the Gazan Christmas war, this ethnic cleansing has taken a serious turn to the right.  Now Israel is massacring people housed in UN facilities, and killing UN medics and aid distributers.  Initiated by the humiliation of the UN rep to Israel, Richard Falk, Israel, with US support, is defying the whole world.

Israel, with this war, has therefore embarked on a more violent path than previously.  It has justified under Defense the right to mass murder children, starve a whole population, and attack militarily whole populations and whoever else they choose.  They have a hundred to two hundred nuclear weapons, and the support of the US through its Zionist lobby.  They are willing to outrage world opinion and rely entirely on violence.  They are not out of control, they are in the control of ziofascism.

It is essential that the world’s people iniate some way to threaten to destroy Israel’s power, to punish this turn toward violence.  Naomi Klein’s suggestion of a world boycott seems the best way to do it, in the same way it helped overturn South African apratheid. 

If a world boycott, sanctions, etc is large enough to threaten to seriously interfer with Israel’s economic development, it will deter the kind of genocide of the Pestinians that is becoming incrasingly popular in Israel. If a world boycott of Israel grows as a consequence of its violence, it may deter some of it more horrible policies, since now it has no compunction against defying would opinion.


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By Leisure Suit Larry, January 10, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to this comment
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Any Country (and this includes Palestine, Israel, and the USA) which sees the death of a small child as “necessary colateral damage” has no support from me.

HOWEVER I refuse to take the position that ANY country that accepts the death of children as “acceptable under the circumstances” is any better (or worse) than another which holds the same view.

In other words people at war are never (no matter the side) on Moral high ground.

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By rwmenser, January 10, 2009 at 5:58 am Link to this comment

it’s kind of predictable to watch Obama’s back bone dissovle one vertabrae at a time.  Aside from his blinders to the Gaza disaster, he goes ahead a appoints Admiral “East Timor” Blair to run national security.  Yet another person who finds career advancement through backing government-backed mass murder.  Perhaps it’s time for Charles Manson to take his place as the Speaker of the House.  Pelosi is certainly worthless.

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By rwmenser, January 10, 2009 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

The Israeli’s have learned quite well from us.

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By ojoscriollos, January 9 at 11:03 pm

•  ‘It isn’t ethical journalism to present opposing viewpoints when one of them is disinformation, or at best misinformation. Are there two sides to genocide? Yes, sometimes it’s necessary vs. no, it’s illegal and morally reprehensible.’


This just caught my eye as I was reading through the comments, and I have a question about the what you mean by there being two sides to genocide, and I don’t know if I’m missing a euphemistic or rhetorical sort of point, or if you’re actually suggesting that ‘sometimes it IS ‘necessary’(genocide that is).

Needless to say, Genocide is NEVER ‘necessary’ and is ALWAYS illegal and morally reprehensible, just as torture is. There is NEVER a situation, event, or circumstance that makes torture an ‘acceptable’ or ‘necessary’ evil, and the same can be said of Genocide. So it’s never necessary, but it’s true that in many cases of International or Universal Laws, (and this is specifically true of genocide and ethnic cleansing) it sometimes becomes necessary to ‘break’ the law in order to ‘uphold’ the law, because of the principal of State Sovereignty, which reigns supreme.

The letter and the spirit of the Law says that all states are sovereign, and none of us can or should interfere with the ‘civil’ affairs of other Nations.  However, there is another collection of laws that REQUIRE the International Community to intervene in cases of Genocide and other violations where civilian populations are being abused. Since these crimes are nearly ALWAYS perpetrated by (or supported by) the government regime in power; (Think Mislovek of Serbia and the former Yugoslavia and Pinochet of Chile) As the recognized heads of these states, they were perpetrating these crimes under the protection afforded by the State Sovereignty principle that is the underlying and foundational assumption to all International Law. That means (in effect) that some laws (in this case the Sovereignty principle) would have to be violated in order to uphold the requirements of the Genocide Convention/Treaty. So, it’s problematic, though I don’t believe there is THAT much of a grey area in terms of the morality of knowing which of these ‘laws’ will have to be violated in order to uphold the other. Still, that becomes a call for the International Jurists, which is why we have them.

Another cruel paradox revealed by your understandable disgust with Boyarsky is the connection between genocide and massive propaganda. Propaganda is ALWAYS a primary tool/tactic in the perpetration of crimes like Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing. Stalin, Hitler, Fujimori, the Hutu and the Tutsi in Rwanda, and on and on..all used these encitful and provocative propaganda campaigns to stir up the lynch mob mentality that drives the worst of the crimes in these events. The rapes and the slaughters of so many innocents happen within what are sometimes short periods of time.

Eventually, (though nearly always in hindsight) we see that propaganda for what it is or has been. Israel is the only exception. (as of course we know her to be the ‘exception’ in terms of just about EVERY GD THING!!) And THAT’S the cruelest part of the paradox.

Based on my own rather long term observations, Bill Boyarsky has generally been quite the professional journalist, and I believe ethical in every other respect, except in terms of the Israeli Zionist mindset that makes exceptions for themselves to commit these crimes. He’s been a journalist for a long time, and has done a professional job that we sadly don’t find in journalism any more. But on Israel, he’s like the majority of all other Jews, regardless of where they live on the planet…totally blinded and/or mentally programmed to see themselves in a different light that excuses 60 years of massive criminality.

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By cyrena, January 10, 2009 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

2 of 2
I say the majority because it’s important to recognize AND acknowledge the many Jews who are vehemently opposed to and scandalized by the behavior of Israel, and they’ve spent entire careers (often tarnished or otherwise demonized by their Zionist brethren) making the case AGAINST Israel’s crimes. Boyarsky just isn’t one of them. So on just about anything else, he’s going to seem reasonable and balanced. It’s obvious from this piece, that Israel is the exception…and that has become the rule, just as it’s always been. In any time or place where the EXCEPTION becomes the RULE, that’s terror, and is intended to terrorize.

I’m less shocked by Boyarsky’s position than I am troubled by his confident assumption that Barack Obama will ‘back’ Israel. It’s such a typical Zionist arrogance. What makes him think that Obama will ‘back’ this long term Genocidal operation that flies in the face of everything that a civilized society holds sacred? The language itself is tricky, and propagandists (right here on Truthdig) use it all of the time. The favorite is to claim that one politician or the other ‘supports’ this, that or the other thing, based on the proverbial either/or mentality. It’s the standard Bush-Cheney theme, If you’re not absolutely with us, than you are absolutely against us. Or, if we’re not vocally and demonstrably opposed to something, then it means that we ‘support’ it. The majority of Americans only have those polar opposite ‘choices’ available to them, since the subtleties with any context are apparently just not visible to them.

That said, I suspect that Mr. Boyarsky, along with all of the other multiple critics of Obama here at TD, are probably going to be in for a rude awakening, if they honestly believe that President Obama will continue the same policies that have guided US support of Israel’s Crimes for nearly a decade. (and in this case, we’re talking REAL ‘support’ in terms of the weapons we provide and all of the political godfather type protection from the International Community).

I believe the changes will be subtle and handled as delicately as possible from a political perspective, because the man (Obama) cannot afford to shoot himself in the foot. (WE can’t afford for him to shoot himself in the foot) Too many other very urgent crises exist right here on the home front, and he can’t afford to isolate a large (and yes, still far too influential) portion of the legislative body. Such a fissure (especially with the outgoing thugs that STILL have themselves embedded in the overall bureaucratic apparatus) would prevent ANY work from being accomplished. Still, it would be totally lacking in any sort of political insight, to assume that Obama will not make some serious changes in the US policy on this Humanitarian Disaster in the Middle East.

So I’m not impressed by the T-Shirt demo from six months ago, knowing that even then, Israel was planning this massive attack on Gaza to occur at a time of a power vacuum in Washington DC. Obviously the Israeli government terrorists don’t have the same confidence that Boyarsky has, or they wouldn’t have launched this action when they did.

Meantime, this is an interesting video conversation with Congressman Keith Ellison on the subject.

One thing that I suspect many of us are noticing because of the new political mindset created by the Obama candidacy and election, is that we are FINALLY coming to some open and serious dialogue on this longest conflict in the history of the world. Much needed dialog that has been muffled for decades; overpowered by Zionist propaganda and the constant cries of anti-Semitism any and every time some person or entity legitimately criticizes Israel’s heinous crimes. I sense a change there, and it’s long overdue.

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By KDelphi, January 10, 2009 at 2:43 am Link to this comment

P.T.—Thanks for posting it, as difficult as it is to read. It IS almost unbelievable, but, I have seen these reports elsewhere, and have seen pics, and, I’m afraid that they are all true…

I hear that the uS Jewish community of good will, is also surprised by the complacency and support for this genocide that is being given, in their own community..I think more people usually spaek out.

Has Bush emboldened the Zionist crowd, or , are they just getting crappy info from the Western Media?

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By P. T., January 10, 2009 at 1:08 am Link to this comment

This is almost unbelievable.  It is a transcript from the Democracy Now television program.

UN: 30 Died in Israeli Shelling of Crowded Home

The Red Cross made the announcement as it accused Israel of blocking access to a bombing site where several emaciated children were found next to their dead mothers. Overall, dozens of dead civilians were found in a one-block span of the neighborhood of Zeitoun. Red Cross mission chief Katrina Ritz described the bombing’s aftermath.

Katrina Ritz: “I think one of the big shocks was that these people were very weak. They were children, children being next to their dead mother. There were no assistance given to these people. There were around eighteen wounded which have not had medical aid, and very, very weak people. The children could hardly stand. There was no water for them. There was no food. And they were with all the dead bodies.”

In a report Thursday, the UN said thirty of the victims killed in the Zeitoun attack had been taking shelter in a home on orders from the Israeli military. More than 100 Palestinians had been evacuated there and told to stay indoors. Palestinian paramedic Attia Barami was among the first to reach the victims.

Attia Barami: “The Red Cross got permission for us for three ambulances to enter the northern area of Gaza. We found bodies that the tanks drove over. The medics checked the bodies and found damage at the cellular level, and bodies. This baby girl, age five months, she has been dead for more than two days. The dogs ate parts of the baby’s body. This baby was burned because you can see her face and body are dark and charred.”

Most of the dead were members of the same extended family, the Samounis. The death toll was initially lower but rose as more bodies were pulled from the rubble.

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By KDelphi, January 10, 2009 at 1:08 am Link to this comment

Blackspeare—You amaze me…Jewish people of good will realize that this is very destructive for them, as a people, and they wish it to stop ,also. However, some older Jews are actually questioning WHY, the, often liberal Jewish community is so homogenous on this one. They are questionting WHY, anyone who is a decent US or Israeli citizen, would support the continuation of this genocide…

I think it is , because, after the last 10-20 yeas (but, especially the last 8), USAns have become so de-sensitized to this kind of horror, that they just accept it!! It is genocide in Gaza, genocide in Iraq, genocide in Afghanistan (it was a criminal act—not an act of war from the Afghani people)

The US WAS on the slow road to hell…after this, we will be on the FAST road to hell…

Can anyone just imagine what we are going to have to “take”, after the uS threatened to veto anything resembling a fair ceasefire at the uN Security Council??? After the Congress passed a bill (and are HIDING the votes!) in SUPPORT of this stuff??

The Am people are becoming so accoustomed to this, they feel that we have no right to speak out anymore..

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By M.B.S.S., January 10, 2009 at 12:07 am Link to this comment

blackspeare:  anyone with a modicum of historical knowledge knows that those bombs were for the benefit of the soviet psyche and were superfluous.
if the japanese were so fatalistic why did they take so well to macarthurs remolding venture?  they are the template from which the U.S. imperialists believe they can mold other countries in our sick likeness.

the idea that only I/P know the full story is ludicrous.  im quite sick of the notion that this conflict is too “historical,” “complicated,” or “intractable,” for outside parties to be able to comprehend it or come to some conclusions.  i find it rather straightforward.  israel is treating others the way they were once treated.  namely as subhuman, and its wrong.

who knows how the palestinians will react when treated with respect and dignity; the occupation and blockade ended and an honest mediator helps build a palestinian state.  to me its the same argument that some people will never understand.  when people are treated as equals and have opportunities it enables states to bypass punitive measures because crime and other destructive behaviors decrease naturally.

if the palestinian state once established continues to attack israel then they may be dealt with accordingly, by israel and the world commnunity.  but the notion that these measures need to be enacted by israel now is that same sort of nonsense that the discredited bush admin tried to sell us.  the idea that these policies are doing anything aside from weakening israel and the u.s. national security is inane.

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By Sepharad, January 10, 2009 at 12:05 am Link to this comment
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Boyarsky shows brains, courage and good judgment in disagreeing with TD’s increasingly Orwellian groupthink. Is there some problem here with the 1st Amendment? Make your arguments, by all means, but don’t regress to totalitarian squelching of all but one-voice route—that’s not what progressive liberalism is all about. When y’all agree with a TD columnist there are bouquets thrown after bouquets—but now that someone disagrees with you, you want him tossed off the site? Haven’t we all agreed that witch hunting and black listing are bad ideas?

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By ojoscriollos, January 10, 2009 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

I take that back about supporting Truth Dig. If we want blatant propaganda like Lucovich’s cartoon and this tripe, we’d subscribe to the newspapers. It isn’t ethical journalism to present opposing viewpoints when one of them is disinformation, or at best misinformation. Are there two sides to genocide? Yes, sometimes it’s necessary vs. no, it’s illegal and morally reprehensible. Boyarsky is probably right that the Obama administration will continue to be Israel’s partner in war crimes and crimes against humanity. But not because it’s right, but because of the strength of the pro-Israel lobby and the bribes disguised as campaign funds.

Is Boyarsky’s column part of an exchange program with

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By Virginia777, January 9, 2009 at 11:52 pm Link to this comment

I have wondered about Boyarsky ever since he started appearing on L.A. Observed - which is supposedly “centrist” but in actuality, openly sources from right-wing blogs (including Anonymous-authored blogs).

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By rigo23, January 9, 2009 at 10:59 pm Link to this comment

“By M.B.S.S., January 8 at 4:21 pm #

on boyarsky’s reporting:

it was so one sided that i sincerely thought for a second that he was being sarcastic.  then i realized that this is what he actually thinks.”

You read my mind.  But this phenomenon of turning the facts on their head seems to be growing a bit tiresome.

For one, It was not Hamas who ended the cease fire.  It was Israel - as Boyarsky points out, but fails to call it for what it was - that did just that on Nov. 4 when it killed the Hamas “militants”. 

Second, it is another work of lazy journalism every time we here that “Hamas, Hezollah, and Iran want to see Israel destroyed and the Jews too.” I’m sure the author believes Ahmedinejad wants to wipe Israel and the Jews off the map too based on lazy journalism and oversimplification. 

Check this out if you’re interested in seeing what Ahmedinejad was really saying:

Ahmedinejad was referring to regime change in Israel and a subsequent collapse.  He was hoping for this, because, like most of the world, he’s antizionist, not antisemitic.

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By P. T., January 9, 2009 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

Unlike Bush, Hamas did not steal an election.  Hamas actually won.

Sderot is crawling with Zionist soldiers and reservists who terrorise the occupied territories.  Israel should stop using the people of Sderot as human shields.

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By Ed Harges, January 9, 2009 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment

Boyarsky is astonishingly biased in Israel’s favor He has no place on a progressive website.

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By Dar, January 9, 2009 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment
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Didn’t mean to visit the National Review website.

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By Blueboy1938, January 9, 2009 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

“Hamas militants seized the presidential compound in Gaza City overnight after a week of factional fighting, which has left more than 100 people dead.”

That is a report from Hamas’ armed takeover of Gaza.  Tell me again that was a “democratic election.”  Yes, they had a majority in the Palestinian parliament after elections, which allowed them to form a government.  Abbas booted them out.  Then Hamas took over Gaza by force.  I don’t think that even most of the Palestinians who voted for Hamas Parliamentary candidates voted for that!

Let’s get real here.  Hamas controls Gaza by armed force.  Even Egypt acknowledges that.  They are using civilian locations from which to fire their crummy, erratic rockets.  They have made no attempt to provide stockpiles of food and medicine for the people that they have brought down Israel’s retaliatory strike upon.  They are using the tragic plight of the Palestinians unlucky enough to be providing them cover as PR pawns.  Why haven’t they evacuated the areas subject to Israeli incursion?  I’ll tell you why:  Because then they would have no bleeding human “props” to gain sympathy for their murderous acts and intentions.  Lovely!

The fact that they are not very good at killing Israelis doesn’t make them any less guilty of murder and attempted murder of civilians.  That is their intent.  Just because Israel, after enduring constant barrages of rockets, gets its back up and shoots back with more power and more accuracy than Hamas does not absolve Hamas of the responsibility for all of this mayhem.

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By PatrickHenry, January 9, 2009 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

For all you crystal bell gazers who “know” what Obama will do Jan 21, 2009 and thereafter…

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By Joe Fattal, January 9, 2009 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment
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Since when a US president didn’t back Israel. But my question is, Why the US is backing up that state of Israel that didn’t gave us but headaches?. I know the US is financing Israel, they buit its military to do what?. To fight the Palestinians with their few thounsands rockets, that half of them didn’t even hit their targets. The US need to be careful not to back up Israel too far. I see Israel intentions is to level the city so it becomes inhabitable. The gazans will have no other choice either try to go to Egypt, or to the West bank.

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By P. T., January 9, 2009 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

Whether Obama is just bluffing about wanting a Palestinian/Israeli peace will be apparent soon enough.  If he does not demand that Israel stop building illegal settlements, it will be obvious he is not serious.

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By Blackspeare, January 9, 2009 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

Geez, these sites are just loaded with mindless biased views that boggle the mind.  The only parties that know the full story are the Palestinians and Israelis.  There can never be a lasting peace between the two——they are intractable enemies. The Palestinian psyche, like the Japanese during WW II, is one of fatalism.  The Israelis know this and when one fights an enemy with a fatalistic philosophy the only way to win is to crush the enemy.  The US knew of the Japanese mindset and even with prior warnings and defeat all around, it still took two atomic bombs to vanquish the Japanese Empire.  And so it is with the Palestinians——as long as they see a glimmer of hope they will never concede.  They may agree to a respite (Hudna), but will continue the struggle until one party is totally destroyed.  Israel is in a precarious position, they have the military force to accomplish their goal, but will they have the time or the will.  Nothing will happen until after the US inauguration.  Already there is talk of BHO’s administration seeking a dialogue with Hamas albeit a surreptitious low level one.  Now with Abu Mazen’s power coming to an end, Hamas may see themselves as the next full Palestinian government entity.  As mentioned before Israel is in a dangerous position and must totally defeat Hamas even it means re-occupying Gaza.  Now Hizbullah in the north is waiting and it is very possible that if they see their southern brethren going down in defeat they could decide to open a second front and then we may finally have the BIG one.

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By JNagarya, January 9, 2009 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment
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“Blair said that any cease-fire in the Gaza conflict will require “clear and definitive action” to halt the smuggling of weapons and money into the Hamas-ruled Palestinian territory.”

Originally the smugglings were done by Jews bent on driving the West out of Palestine and establishing an Western-style Israeli state.

And those Jews used those smuggled weapons in terrorist actions against the British.

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By Blueboy1938, January 9 at 10:19 am #

The Palestinians are really victims of Hamas.  Hamas uses them for cover when firing rockets to goad Israel into retaliation.  Hamas uses them for PR to make Israel out as the monster.  Hamas subjects the Palestinians who have the misfortune to live in Hamas-controlled Gaza to hardship all of the time, in the interludes between Israel’s reaction to Hamas’s constant goading.  Unfortunately for the Palestinians so beset, Hamas has all the marbles and cannot be overthrown by the populace it abuses.

A convenient lie which continues the effort to OVERLOOK the FACT that Hamas was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED by the Palestinians—which blows that lie out of the water.

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By JNagarya, January 9, 2009 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment
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“The goal of Hamas and its soul mates, Hezbollah and Iran, is the destruction of the state of Israel and its Jewish citizens.

“Israel is defending itself in the Gaza war, even though pictures of dead and wounded Gaza residents on television, on the Internet and in the newspapers give the impression of Israeli aggression. Hamas has cynically helped create that impression by launching its rocket attacks from among civilians.”

That is the far-right Israeli/pro-Israel/Zionist claim.  But we never hear the other side.

Why not simply bald-faced lie that the dead Gazans, especially the little ones and infants, were killed by Hamas in effort to make Israel look bad?  I mean, why not: few other “defensive” lies have not been invoked by the most powerful military in the Middle East for its decisions to act AGGRESSIVELY against those it claims treaten—though they lack the means—to “destroy Israel”.

And we are to believe that you, Boyarsky, flowing from that premise, are going to be critical of Obama on the posited notion that he’s going to defend Israel, with the usual imbalance?

It is not journalism, and it is intellectually dishonest and unethical, to stack an argument in advance, like a good little self-deluded theologian, with a half-truth premise which will be “proven” by one’s thesis, and become, at the end of the circle, the predictable conclusion: a mere restatement of the half-truth premise.

Meanwhile, back at reality, Obama is two things on the issue: during the campaign he said he would defend Israel—which is, as you know, essential if one is to get the minority Jewish vote.  And which he doubtless means, as concerns protecting US national security, which is a president’s first and foremost priority.

But Obama has a much longer history of being a conciliator; of being one who would, and has the ability to, bring together all contending parties to an issue.  Thus we learn that Obama has been looking at low-level talks with Hamas.  By contrast, Israel, despite the fact that Hamas was DEMOCRATICALLY elected, and Israel claims (falsely) to be the “only democracy” in the Middle East, Israel has REFUSED to talk to Hamas.  And it has thrown all the usual excuses for not talking.

Get it straight, Boyarsky, and your fellow ISrael-can-do-no-wrong zealots-in-sheep’s-clothing: if Israel’s back is pushed to the wall—the claim it constantly makes while at the same time being the most powerful military state in the Middle East—it will fight back like a cornered rat, no holds barred.

But when those who Israel attacks, and pushes to the point of backs-to-the-wall, such as pea-shooter-possessing Hamas, fight back with any—lesser—degree of ferocity, Israel screams, “Help!  Help!  I’m a victim!  Everyone hates Jews, so we have to defend ourselves—at all costs!”

WW II German Nazism was the extreme of “at all costs”.  That extreme doesn’t change, or become any more defensible or acceptable, no matter who is invoking it as excuse for committing racist genocide.  Isreal is either an equal member of the community or nations, or it continues to whine about a fake victimhood in order to continue its racist supremacism as excuse for committing genocide against a member of its own family, and thus continues to be a deservedly-hated rogue terrorist state.

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By P. T., January 9, 2009 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

In 2004, the vote in the U.S. House of Representatives was 407-9 to support a statement by President George W. Bush that it was “unrealistic” to expect Israel to return completely to pre-1967 borders.

If one ever wanted proof that the U.S. (not just Israel) is a rogue state, there it is.

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By RdV, January 9, 2009 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

Israeli soldiers use Palestinian children as human shields:

  News unlikely to be reported in the US.

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By brian a. hayes, January 9, 2009 at 11:36 am Link to this comment
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i feel barack will use wisdom not ideology to bring peace to the area. we must create the 21 century into a century of soft power. dialogue is the key. i feel barack will instill in the people the hope that peace can happen. than the people must inspier their leaders to take action. this is what happen with the civil rights movenment. king inspiered the people and the people inspiered president johnson to take action. we can no longer live in a world where hard power is used. the people suffer not the leaders of nations. enough is enough

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By RdV, January 9, 2009 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

Israeli soldiers using Palestinian children as human shields:

Something the rest of the world is free enough to see when US news is censored.

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By Blueboy1938, January 9, 2009 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

The Palestinians are really victims of Hamas.  Hamas uses them for cover when firing rockets to goad Israel into retaliation.  Hamas uses them for PR to make Israel out as the monster.  Hamas subjects the Palestinians who have the misfortune to live in Hamas-controlled Gaza to hardship all of the time, in the interludes between Israel’s reaction to Hamas’s constant goading.  Unfortunately for the Palestinians so beset, Hamas has all the marbles and cannot be overthrown by the populace it abuses.

Is Israel over-reacting?  Of course.  Did Hamas anticipate that?  Naturally.  Did Hamas do anything to prepare the Palestinians under its subjugation for the onslaught?  No.  The absence of a response by Obama is not the current problem.  The complete, ineffectual dither of the current Bush administration, which is still in charge, despite some delusions to the contrary, is the current problem.  Is anyone condemning Bush?  No, because he never did anything effective to deal with the Middle East in general, except start an unnecessary war of revenge that exacerbated all the problems in the area, and nothing to engage Hamas in particular.

The Palestinian situation in Gaza is tragic.  Hamas is entirely to blame.

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By Folktruther, January 9, 2009 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

The pressure that anti-Obamonites are putting on the Obamonites is beginning to pay off.  Obama has changed his stance minutely to offer to secretly talked to Hamas if they are sufficiently massacred, the population sufficiently starved, and Israel agrees.  The purpose being to corrupt them as US-Israel have Abbas and Fatah, to get them to oppress the Palestinian population while Israel steals their land and resources.

This is a historical step forward, I’m sorry to say.  Obama is still continuing Bushite policies but changing tactically because of political pressure on his left.  The best of the TD Obamonites, Cann4ing, has argued that Obama is more ameanable to pressure from the left than Bush, and consequently it can change his poliices.

This is true, marginally.  But this can only be done if the anti-Obamonites continue to accuse him of being a sellout son of the Progressive movement.  If we capitulate to lockstep Obamonites, like Tony Wicker or Cyrena, the Dynamic Duo will gut the pressure necessary to marginally change Bushite policies.

Of course Obama will fundamentally serve the interests of the rich Zionist neoliberals that put him in office, so any significant change requires a rank and file movement that opposes both wings of the Dem-Gop bloc.

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By vigdor, January 9, 2009 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

Bill Boyarsky’s Column, “Obama Will Back Israel” is a disgusting piece of trash that crassly evades every significant aspect of Palestinian reality.  Obama is pushing his silent lie on this one precicely because no sane and reasonable person could possibly offer such an argument for the continued support of the State of Israel.  This is certainly not a Jewish State, it is rather, a racist Zionist State rejected by Jewish religious leaders.  Why is this piece of trash published in Truthdig?

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By vigdor, January 9, 2009 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

Bill Boyarsky’s Column, “Obama Will Back Israel” is a disgusting piece of trash that crassly evades every significant aspect of Palestinian reality.  Obama is pushing his silent lie on this one precicely because no sane and reasonable person could possibly offer such an argument for the continued support of the State of Israel.  This is certainly not a Jewish State, it is rather, a racist Zionist State rejected by Jewish religious leaders.  Why is this published in Truthdig?

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By Little Brother, January 9, 2009 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

I don’t know much about Boyarsky, but from the comments I gather he’s considered a “liberal”.

Which he may very well be, in the pejorative sense of the word.

Another Zionophiliac published by the Amerikan media.  What a shock!

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By Mike McConnely, January 9, 2009 at 10:25 am Link to this comment
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with US support for Israel. The problem arises when this support becomes fanatical and crosses every threshold of morality and sanity. True support by a friend is being able to point out faults and be critical of action when warranted. This is sadly not the case with US support for Israel which refuses at the highest level to acknowledge wrongs and be critical of actions that rightly deserve cristicism.  This kind of fanatical support belies the fact that the US cannot be an even broker and justly support the righteous cause of the opposing side which in this case is the Palestinians. This kind of support cannot be normal but is only attained when elements of the weaker power has infilitrated the highest level of the stronger power to the point of direct control of policy and decision making both domestic and international. Untill the relationship between the US and Israel can reflect that of a true friendship then the solution to this crisis will be found because the grievances of the opposing side will be understood accepted and included.

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By dihey, January 9, 2009 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

The bombing with white phosphorus of Hamburg and Dresden by the Allies during WW2 caused gigantic firestorms in which more than one hundred thousand non-combatants died. It is obvious that white phosphorus is a chemical weapon of mass destruction regardless of its use. There are reports that Israel has used white phosphorus shells in Gaza. Why remains Mr.Obama silent? Because, as I have stated before, he is, albeit pragmatic, nevertheless an abject coward.

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By RdV, January 9, 2009 at 8:22 am Link to this comment

Do not avert your eyes Mr. Boyarsky. What did you think was happening in the camps? Tell us you didn’t know and don’t forget to note the Israelis on the hillside admiring the view…

The rest of the world sees it—but not in the country that boasts of it’s freedom the most

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By thebeerdoctor, January 9, 2009 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

something of interest:

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By psickmind fraud, January 9, 2009 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

Some key take-aways from Barack Obama’s speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)in June 08:

I will bring to the White House an unshakeable commitment to Israel’s security. That starts with ensuring Israel’s qualitative military advantage. ...I will ensure Israel can defend itself from any threat, from Gaza to Tehran. ...

As president I will implelement a Memorandum of Understanding to provide $30 billion in [defense] investments to Israel - not tied to any other nation.

know that when I visit AIPAC, I am among friends, good friends. Friends who share my strong commitment that bond between US and Israel unbreakable today, unbreakable tomorrow, unbreakable forever ....

One of many things I admire about Aipac is fight for this cause from the bottom up .... to make sure bond between Israel and the US is rooted in more than our shared national interests, rooted in shared values and stories of our people. As president, I will work with you to ensure that this bond that is strengthened.

There should be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action to defend our security and our ally Israel. Do not be confused.

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By jackpine savage, January 9, 2009 at 8:17 am Link to this comment


His choice of words bothers me because he is so careful about choosing words…to the point of nearly stammering when he’s speaking off the cuff.  I liked that about him; it was a refreshing change. 

Given that, i’m disinclined to give him a break on his word choice here.  Though i do understand that he was speaking to an Israeli audience and i know full well that the unmitigated cynicism of politics knows no bounds.

And i don’t expect (or even want) him to come down firmly on the side of the Palestinians.  I want him to be an honest broker; a mediator; and a statesman.  I’ll be surprised if that’s what he becomes in this situation.

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By thebeerdoctor, January 9, 2009 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

This article proves that mainstream American liberalism is as odious as their conservative counterparts. They will use any excuse to justify their savage ethnic cleansing, and how dare anyone question the wisdom of their folly. As Purple Girl pointed out, when is the United States going to look out for the interests of its own people? Not a moneyed minority so intent on preserving their real estate tract of desert hell. Their enemies are their creation, and by supporting these injustices, our government threatens OUR security.
Whatever political persuasion (in fact, the Zionist lobby owns them all) supporting this state with stolen land, is treasonous to the citizens of this country.

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By Robert, January 9, 2009 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

Carter: Israel Broke Gaza Truce

“Meanwhile former President Jimmy Carter has denounced the Israeli attack on the Gaza Strip. Writing in the Washington Post, Carter criticizes Israel for breaking the six-month ceasefire by launching its November 4th attack that killed seven Hamas militants. He also faults Israel for failing to uphold its commitment to ease the humanitarian blockade of Gaza.”

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By psickmind fraud, January 9, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

One of the first things Obama did after claiming the nomination was to suck up to AIPAC, a sure sign of where he’ll be siding.

With American made planes and munitions being used against the residents of Gaza, I’m certain we’re creating more who’ll hate us (because of our freedoms, as our gummint tells us).  Of course, the American defense industry must be ecstatic with wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the sales to the Israelis, which are paid for with our own tax dollars.

Does anyone know the status of the pending espionage trial of the two AIPAC bigwigs?

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By marimbadearco, January 9, 2009 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

Truthdig has so much to offer all of us, but one can’t help but notice two big problems: it joins in the “fatwa” by our ruling class and its servant Mainstream Media by taking a right-wing position against the Palestinian and Venezuelan people.
1. horribly inaccurate and conservatively biased posts on Venezuela by Marc Cooper, which fortunately have stopped coming. Yet In These Times continues to offer excellent information and analysis:

2. This article on the Gaza Ghetto is simply full of untruths and comes from a right-wing political perspective that—on both counts—should not be publicized and endorsed by Truthdig.  It should embaressing to Truthdig editors that today the corporate media offers a MORE progressive and accurate small assessment of the current Israeli military actions in this oped:;

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By Purple Girl, January 9, 2009 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

Israel has NOTHING to offer US in return for the immense financial and military support we have granted them for 60 yrs!They couldn’t help US in Afghanistan, nor Iraq- Tah twould Just provoke more blood shed. They offer US no real commerce. The ONLY thing Israel has is a few tourist sites.
Let’s be honest Would God approve of any one dying for some Brick & mortar? Isn’t such obsession with these buildings nothing more than idoltry? Hell the ‘faithful’ hold these sites in far higher reverence than even the 10 commandments…Certianly are willing to break ‘Thou Shall Not Kill’.
Israel claims to be a ‘soveriegn’ country but they suck off our Teat just to survive.
The US gov’t has packed them up with plenty of weaponry to defend themselves….It’s time they did.
The only reason the Israeli Gov’t is willing to stick the ‘Hornets nest’ is because they EXPECT US to back them up and fight their Wars!Fuck Israel, they have been the CAUSE of the majority of OUR Woes!
The ‘Friends of Israel’ are playing a stupid game, Many americans have been indoctrinated in ‘jew Hatred’.Raised as a Catholic it was taught the Jews Killed Christ and were (and are) The Money Changers.
I realize this is BS and have been a Recovered Catholic for Decades, but many have not given up their early ‘religious’ teachings and have found Groups which share their misconceptions.Personally I have no issue with the jewish Community, but I have a Huge Problem with the Israeli Gov’t, about as much as I do With Our own.
Seems Neo cons have not yet learned the word ‘Backlash’, or even the concept of Over satiation.Not evey American Buys the “Israelites” return saga, nor is willing to die for Israel’s Fuck Ups- directly or through retribution by terrorist attacks.
Want to end the Conflict in the Middle East? Make israel stand on it’s Own Two Feet FINALLY!Cut off funding, Trade and dioplomatic support. make them Cuba until they realize they are solely responsible for their own actions and the reactions they encounter. I am sick of them nursing off US and changing their Shitty ass diapers every time they take a shit on another group or country!
If Obama continues this reckless foreign policy, we might as well prepare ourselves for another Huge attack.
May God Send 3 Lightening Bolts to destroy those Damned ‘Holy’ Sites similatneously…That truely would be a gift from God!
I do Not support Hamas(et al) nor Do I Support Israel, I support the USA ONLY!And Defending Israel is NOT in Our interest and never has been!

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By prole, January 9 at 12:49 am #

“This is more like it!”

Everything you say is right on !..... up to your last sentence ...

“The liberal & neocon Likudnik “soulmates” on one side and the anti-imperialist, anti-zionist Left on the other.”

The debate such as it is is between the right wing ‘Likud’ Zionists, and the left wing ‘anti-imperial’ Zionists.  The right wing Zionists believe that Israel should push the Palestinians out of biblical Israel.  The left wing Zionists believe that Israel should agree to a Palestianian state to exist in the ‘67 borders.

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By Robert, January 9, 2009 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

Robert Fisk: Why do they hate the West so much, we will ask

Wednesday, 7 January 2009

A child injured in the Israeli bombardment of a UN school yesterday is taken to Shifa hospital in Gaza City

“So once again, Israel has opened the gates of hell to the Palestinians. Forty civilian refugees dead in a United Nations school, three more in another. Not bad for a night’s work in Gaza by the army that believes in “purity of arms”. But why should we be surprised?

Have we forgotten the 17,500 dead – almost all civilians, most of them children and women – in Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon; the 1,700 Palestinian civilian dead in the Sabra-Chatila massacre; the 1996 Qana massacre of 106 Lebanese civilian refugees, more than half of them children, at a UN base; the massacre of the Marwahin refugees who were ordered from their homes by the Israelis in 2006 then slaughtered by an Israeli helicopter crew; the 1,000 dead of that same 2006 bombardment and Lebanese invasion, almost all of them civilians?

What is amazing is that so many Western leaders, so many presidents and prime ministers and, I fear, so many editors and journalists, bought the old lie; that Israelis take such great care to avoid civilian casualties. “Israel makes every possible effort to avoid civilian casualties,” yet another Israeli ambassador said only hours before the Gaza massacre. And every president and prime minister who repeated this mendacity as an excuse to avoid a ceasefire has the blood of last night’s butchery on their hands. Had George Bush had the courage to demand an immediate ceasefire 48 hours earlier, those 40 civilians, the old and the women and children, would be alive.

What happened was not just shameful. It was a disgrace. Would war crime be too strong a description?”

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By eileen fleming, January 9, 2009 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

“Always be ready to speak your mind and a base man will avoid you. Opposition is True Friendship.-William Blake, Marriage of Heaven and Hell, 1796

Now is NOT the time for giving into fear or casting more blame.

What is needed NOW is reflection and repentance for what we the USA have done-again!-to contribute to the misery of indigenous people.

NOW is the time for people of conscience to ask themselves on what do they base their biases on and open up to hearing biases from the other side. That takes common sense and courage.

“Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right.” -Martin Luther King, Jr.

America’s most radical founding father, Tom Paine, united a disparate group of immigrants together and ignited the formation of a nation with a forty-page pamphlet called Common Sense.

“Soon after I had published the pamphlet Common Sense [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion… The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.”-Tom Paine

Common sense understands that only justice; which requires equal human rights for all people is the way to security for Israel and the way to peace for the Mid East.

What is needed in times like these is more not less dialogue about the pain of the other, for education is the way to compassion and compassion the way to change. Obama would do well to listen to his friend-Rashid Khaladi:

“THE CEASE-FIRE: Lifting the blockade, along with a cessation of rocket fire, was one of the key terms of the June cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. This accord led to a reduction in rockets fired from Gaza from hundreds in May and June to a total of less than 20 in the subsequent four months (according to Israeli government figures). The cease-fire broke down when Israeli forces launched major air and ground attacks in early November; six Hamas operatives were reported killed.”

“We have it in our power to begin the world again” -Tom Paine

What we need is the political will.

Eileen Fleming, Author, Founder WAWA:
Producer “30 Minutes With Vanunu” and “13 Minutes with Vanunu”

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By RdV, January 9, 2009 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

Obama also said, “No one has suffered more than the Palestinians”. But that was a long time ago. That apparently matters little to you Mr. Boyarsky—every non-Jews life isn’t worth defending—non-Jews are all framed as terrorists so their destruction is a good thing—non Jews don’t have the right to defend themselves.

As long as Obama is buying into the AIPAC manufactured consensus framing simplistic lies as the conventional truth and only legitimate in the US- then he will fail, because the Palestinians, like the African American slaves—as well as all other oppressed people, will continue their struggle for liberation. Yep, Obama ain’t nothing but a houseboy to the Master.
How will it look to the world when Obama is just a puppet to Israel? What will the people of the US think—as the truth leaks out, as the carnage continues, that our foreign policy is shaped by a minority group with special priviliges and influence in a government that is supposed to represent us all?
  Do you think there will be a growing tide of resent?

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By andypandy, January 9, 2009 at 7:05 am Link to this comment
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why would thruthdig want to give boyarsky space to propagate this kind of zionist drivel? isn’t there enough right wing blogs out there for him to mine?

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By grimm83, January 9, 2009 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

What a silly article that attempts to turn reality on its head…

Israel broke the ceasfire on 4th November…

Hamas is a result of an isreali strategy that illegally colinizes and occupies palestinian land…

Does Israel want peace? That they have ignored inumerbale UN resolutions on a peaceful resolution of the conflict.

Hamas..created in israel

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By norman birnbaum, January 9, 2009 at 6:44 am Link to this comment
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Since Mr. Boyarsky thinks that the principle of a state constituted on ethnic and religious grounds is acceptable (the phrase Israel as a Jewish state has negative implications for others, apart from the
perpetual Rabbinical arguments as to who is really Jewish.) If so, what would he say to the proposition that the US, with a largely Christian population, has every right to exclude from citizenship or full citizenship those not Christian?

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By prole, January 9, 2009 at 1:49 am Link to this comment

This is more like it! A clear, concise statement of core ‘liberal’ values and beliefs. So what if it has no rational basis in fact or logic. At least it shows where these cunning liberal shysters are coming from, in case there was ever any doubt. Why not have a frank, if brutal, assertion of liberal anti-principles. Joe Lieberman himself couldn’t have said it worse. Better than the mealy-mouthed,  stealth apologetics for Israeli barbarity of a Robert Scheer or an Amy Goodman. Of course this reads more like an article of faith than a reality-based portrayal of anything that’s actually happening in Gaza. In fact, it almost looks suspiciously like ‘Palestine baiting’; liberals used to engage in similar provocations during the Cold War in the form of ‘red baiting’. But so what, it at least tells something about the warped mind and satanic soul of an imperial ‘liberal’ It’s almost too easy to stand truth back upright on it’s unused feet again and point out the obvious: that “The goal of ” Israel “is the destruction of” Hamas and Hezbollah and the state of Iran and its Muslim (and Christian) citizens. Hamas is “defending itself in the Gaza war, even though pictures of dead and wounded Gaza residents on television, on the Internet and in the newspapers” has shown graphic proof of Israeli state terrorism, with - as noted elsewhere (but without the full implications being drawn) - not many speaking up in in protest.  Israel “has cynically helped create that impression by launching its rocket attacks” directly at civilians. It hardly bears iteration that Obama is an AIPAC waterboy. No one could possibly get the nomination of the Democratic Party if they wern’t. It goes with the territory and Obama certainly has never been one to let principle get in the way of ambition. You can hardly imagine a political prostitute like Obama going to Gaza and saying on YouTube “The F-16 rockets fired by Israel deliberately and indiscriminately target civilians, and this terror is intolerable. Palestinians should not have to live in danger in their homes and schools. ... Hamas must always stand up for its right to defend itself against those who threaten its people. To achieve true security I am deeply committed to helping Palestinians achieve a lasting peace with Israelis who accept the state of Palestine, renounce violence and terrorism and abide by agreements”. And oh yes, get rid of their vast arsenal of WMD and sign the NPT.
With someone like bilker Barack as president this country doesn’t have much more to look forward to than do Palestinians. The recrudesence of two-faced Tony Blair, who posed as a ‘hope and change’ alternative to Thachterism and then went on to denude the British Labor Party of its class-based roots is instructive.  Barack is a black Blair. And not only with regards to his pro-Israel bias.
The rest of the article is the standard demented claptrap of a zionist liberal Nothing new here, just the standard red herrings about the Jewish state’s imaginary right to exist and wild-eyed hysterics about Hamas killing every Jew. Sheer lunacy - especially with the ‘ethnic cleansing’ mantra that has been a staple of Israel’s genocidal politics over the years. But what can you expect from a conscienceless liberal? Anyway, it does at least puts matters in clear perspective. The liberal & neocon Likudnik “soulmates” on one side and the anti-imperialist, anti-zionist Left on the other.

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By Jill, January 9, 2009 at 1:11 am Link to this comment
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How can anyone allow such such a distorted story to appear on this website? Horrible disfiguring of the truth. What about Palestinian right to exist????

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By darion lory, January 9, 2009 at 12:12 am Link to this comment
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I can’t believe I just read that either, it seems impossible to me that something like that could be published how insane, what paper was that published in again?

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By P. T., January 8, 2009 at 11:39 pm Link to this comment

Boyarsky says that U.N. officials said as many as 25 percent of the Palestinians killed were civilians.

Actually, the U.N. 25 percent figure refers to women and children killed.  It does not include civilian men killed.

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By KDelphi, January 8, 2009 at 11:17 pm Link to this comment

They have ground forces there now. Why didnt they have ground forces go in and check.

Better than killing 100 little girls…I guess one IDF soldier is not worth 100s of Palestinian lives.

steve—I am terribly afraid that you are right—I did not really support Obama, but I did hold up his popularity with other countries (particularly “non-allie”) as something positive, in my mind…

This is NOT “good for Israel”, and, anyone who thinks that this is “self defense” must think that “Shock and Awe” was just GREAT!

Why keep an expensive US MILITARY (we do pay for theirs, you know—broke or not!!)if you dont use it , right?

James Hovland—One reason, I think, that so many now accept bogus intelligence, war crimes, etc., is the fault of many administrations but, Bush certainly helped people to be “dumber than a post” about this kind of stuff! Everyone knows his “pre-Iraq war” “intelligence” was bulllshit, but eveyone thinks it’s “ok now” , I guess! The damage these war criminals did to this country will not be undone, but, it can be minimized if we PROSECUTE THEM FOR WAR CRIMES! WHY (??) cant we get anyone to do that? If we do not, we certainly wil not be able to do it with Israel…

I hear that Israeli “settlers” are trying to move back into some previosly occupied territories. We HAVE to consider WHY they are doing this now…yes, it is a continuation, but, “NOW” is, at least, certainly, an escalation!...They have an election coming up. The uS is very vulnerable right now. They are taking advantage of it. They are NOT our “friends”.

The “special relationship” will be the doom of both…as will the “war on terror”

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By Tim Kelly, January 8, 2009 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment
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How effective can the rockets Hamas fires be if there is enough left from them afterward to stack them up on shelves?  When Israel fires a rocket there’s not much left of the building it hits, never mind the casing.  How can it be that Israel’s actions are considered “defending itself” and not state-sponsored terrorism?

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By P. T., January 8, 2009 at 10:37 pm Link to this comment

Boyarsky says that the Israelis said Hamas was firing from the school.

According to the U.N., Israel has dropped that claim.

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By Shift, January 8, 2009 at 10:20 pm Link to this comment

I could not bring myself to vote for Obama because his votes did not match his rhetoric and I did not trust him.  Now I am not tarnished by his tricksterism and bad faith.  Now I feel vindicated and clean.  I am no longer touched by the Washington slime or the Israeli genocide in Gaza.

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By P. T., January 8, 2009 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

The thing you have to understand about liberals such as Nancy Pelosi and the rest is that they support human rights at some times and in some places.

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By cyrena, January 8, 2009 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

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He said he favored “a strong, secure state of Israel living besides a viable and peaceful Palestinian state.”
•  “Read it again…one more time, thinking carefully about the choice of words and their relation to each other.
  “Strong, secure”/“viable, peaceful”. 
  One wonders if the Palestinians will get their very own drinking fountains?”

I love the last part jackpine. The drinking fountains. But this language thing is oh so tricky, and I’ve been pilloried before, for having interpreted these words from Obama as something apparently different than others.  So, I’ve pretty much left it alone, because I’ve developed my own ‘theory’ on this, and there remains the required passage of time to find out whether or not it’s correct. (the vision of hindsight ). Still, the part about the Palestinians getting their very own drinking water has a double whammy innuendo, considering our own very long term ‘separate but allegedly equal’ Jim Crow system right here. And we did indeed have our ‘very own drinking fountains’ depending on how one looks at that. One for white folks, and the other for blacks. Same with everything else in terms of public services.

Somehow, I don’t think that’s what Obama has in mind, but then I don’t suspect that’s what you meant either. wink Because…that’s definitely what they’ve got now, and it is NOT working out any better than apartheid did here or South Africa, or anywhere else that it has existed.

Meantime, I’m a little bit surprised at Boyarsky and for the first time ever, I noted a point from the piece in agreement with troublesum. I don’t know why Boyarsky is being incorrect in his ascertain that Hamas broke the ceasefire. We’ve had time, (at least as much as he has) to follow this and sift through the details enough to confirm what happened, and when it happened. So, he is perpetrating that falsehood, knowingly or not.

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By Joe Franks, January 8, 2009 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

Aaaah imbecile.  Here’s an idea.  If you have agreed to a ceasefire, and you want to “destroy a tunnel” going from the enemy side to your side, and used for “kidnapping soldiers”, why don’t you… destroy it from your own side!?

Does this writer have a mind capable of doing more than reciting Israeli and Unitedstatesian government rationalizations (a kind word for a more direct era’s “propaganda”)?

Even better - install monitoring equipment on your side of the tunnel, and when some would-be kidnappers come through, kidnap them!

But no…  the Israeli government decides - on all days, the day of the most-watched election in human history - to invade enemy territory, and kill a few enemies. Something which, charitably put, is outside of the letter and spirit of the ceasefire.

Better question: what is this Israeli apparatchik doing writing on this site?  I thought we were in an oasis from la-la land here…

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By P. T., January 8, 2009 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

Notice how any captured Zionist soldier terrorising the indigenous Palestinian people is referred to as having been “kidnapped.”

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By Bernie, January 8, 2009 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment
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I can’t believe I just read that. How could they allow someone to publish such an article.

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By P. T., January 8, 2009 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

Israel should stop harboring Zionist soldiers and reservists in urban areas if it does not want those places attacked by rockets from indigenous Palestinians. What would the U.S. do if Zionist terrorists were stealing its land and water, and killing its people? Furthermore, the Zionists use any ceasefire as an opportunity to rearm.

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By MeHere, January 8, 2009 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

What do you expect?  Obama’s campaign got financed and supported by many of the people who believe in Zionist Israeli power without any reservations, just like Mr. Boyarsky.  Obama didn’t care to consider other voices within Israel and from Palestinians—those folks couldn’t vote or fund him.  Things have a high price in major US politics.  But, who knows, maybe Obama, his future Secy. of State, H. Clinton, and the Democrats in power will surprise us with their foreign policy. Dreaming is free, so far.

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By Fadel Abdallah, January 8, 2009 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

Aside from stating the obvious, through its title and the accompanying picture, this incoherent piece has no value except as an example the odious Zionist propaganda!

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By coloradokarl, January 8, 2009 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

If anyone believes that Israel can kill 700 Palestinians (mostly innocent ) and not grow a generation of young enemies,you are surely mistaken! Violence begets more Violence. It surprises me how mean and nasty the children of the Holocaust are to their fellow man. 40% unemployment breeds the contempt and hopelessness of the suicide bomber. Again the fringes of society set the agenda. The World is tired of this third world “Tit for Tat”. Obama can set the stage for a New Political standard by not caving in to the “Money Men”. He should send Hillary to Israel FULL TIME until the Job is done. This is the most important issue on the planet today and deserves everyones FULL attention. If the Israelis can’t or don’t want peace,love and hope then they are a terrorist state and should lose their Aid and Military funding. This mess Has to STOP!!!

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By brewerstroupe, January 8, 2009 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

This article is an outrage.

The land upon which Sderot stands comprises over 12,000 dunums legally owned by the inhabitants of Gaza and about 400 dunums owned by Jews.

Prior to this latest atrocity, rockets had claimed the lives of 15 Israelis in the past 8 year period - less than 1% of Israelis killed on the nation’s roads.
Technically speaking, Sderot citizens are committing a War crime under the Geneva convention - settling on occupied territory.

If indeed Obama has cast his lot in with the Israelis, he is doubly culpable. His association with the late Edward Said must have made him aware of the facts, his education in Constitutional Law must have appraised him of the injustice of Israel’s actions.

The only possible alternative conclusion is that the above photograph was a set up and that the article is designed to erode his power base among those who correctly deplore the latest Israeli atrocity in Gaza.

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By M.B.S.S., January 8, 2009 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment

on boyarsky’s reporting:

it was so one sided that i sincerely thought for a second that he was being sarcastic.  then i realized that this is what he actually thinks.

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By M.B.S.S., January 8, 2009 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

katiebegood:  please spare us.  any td’er worth his or her salt knows exactly what obama will do.  namely, get on his knees and while trembling with fear, kiss the ring of AIPAC.

did you see him between the two generations of bush in that recent photo.  seemed to me that he fit right in. 

maintaining the status quo is not black or white, its what those in power do to maintain power.

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By Folktruther, January 8, 2009 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

Jackpine is right to emphasize the wording.  Boyarsky distributes the usual Zionist garbage which is why the American population is so clueless and deluded.  They population is confused because their intellectual leaders and truthers are so corrupt.

Obama will continue Bushite policies in the Middle East as he is doing everywhere else.  His money, media and poltcal management came from Zionist neocons and he is serving their power interests.

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By dojero, January 8, 2009 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

Boyarksky’s at least honest in his motives: a Jewish state must prevail.  But I suspect that he has problems with all other religious states and would oppose them.

The land of Palestine/Israel must become one state.  A state in which all of its residents (citizens) can work together in the way other republics throughout the world do.  It must be secular and it must have a constitution and it must protect the rights of all its members.

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By katiebegood, January 8, 2009 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

So suffice it to say, Barrack is in collusion with the gang rape of Gaza. Now that’s “change” we can hold accountable.
And you know this how?  Has he said this?  Has he done anything to indicate this?  Just because Obama’s chief of staff is Jewish does not mean that Obama can’t see the injustice in what Israel is doing to Gaza right now.

How about you hold your criticism until such time as you see exactly what Obama chooses to do about this situation.  And maybe you might want to return your crystal ball to Walmart, it seems to be defective.

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By katiebegood, January 8, 2009 at 3:52 pm Link to this comment

I believe that Obama will support Israel’s right to exist.  But I don’t believe he will support their overreaction to the situation in Gaza and their dropping cluster bombs and white phosphorus on innocent civilians.  If he does, I’m quite sure that he will be condemned to taking that kind of a position.

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