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Israeli Voices for Peace

Posted on Jan 6, 2009

By Amy Goodman

  Israel’s assault on Gaza, by air, sea and now land, has killed (at the time of this writing) more than 600 Palestinians, with more than 2,700 injured. Ten Israelis have been killed, three of them Israeli soldiers killed by friendly fire. Beyond the deaths and injuries, the people of Gaza are suffering a dire humanitarian crisis that is dismissed by the Israeli government. There is, however, Israeli opposition to the military assault.

  Israeli professor Neve Gordon is chair of the department of politics and government at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in southern Israel, the region most impacted by the Hamas rockets.

  Speaking over the phone from Beersheba, Gordon said: “We just had a rocket about an hour ago not far from our house. My two children have been sleeping in a bomb shelter for the past week. And yet, I think what Israel is doing is outrageous. ... The problem is that most Israelis say Israel left the Gaza Strip three years ago and Hamas is still shooting rockets at us. They forget the details. The detail is that Israel maintains sovereignty. The detail is that the Palestinians live in a cage. The detail is that they don’t get basic foodstuff, that they don’t get electricity, that they don’t get water. And when you forget those kinds of details, all you say is, ‘Why are they still shooting at us?’ That’s what the media here has been pumping them with, then you think this war is rational. If you look at what’s been going on in the Gaza Strip in the past three years and you see what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians, you would think that the Palestinian resistance is rational. And that’s what’s missing in the mainstream media here.”

  Gordon attended a large peace march last weekend in Tel Aviv with more than 10,000 other Israelis. Longtime Israeli peace activist Uri Avnery was there. He called the invasion “a criminal war, because, on top of everything else it is openly and shamelessly part of Ehud Barak’s and Tzipi Livni’s election campaign. I accuse Ehud Barak of exploiting the IDF [Israel Defense Forces] soldiers in order to get more Knesset seats. I accuse Tzipi Livni of advocating mutual slaughter in order to become prime minister.” Israel’s elections will be in February.

  The assault strengthens right-wing Likud Party leader and former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a foremost hawk and leading candidate for prime minister. While Netanyahu fully supports the attack on Gaza, his nephew, Jonathan Ben-Artzi, is an Israeli conscientious objector who was court-martialed and imprisoned for a year and a half. He spoke to me from Providence, R.I., where he is a student at Brown University.

  “I’m speaking ... not as anyone’s nephew but ... as an Israeli, trying to speak out to Americans to tell them you don’t have to support Israel blindly. Not everything that Israel does is holy ... sometimes you have to speak firmly to Israel and tell us, tell our government, stop doing this.”

  Gideon Levy is a Jewish journalist with the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. He told me: “I think that Israel had this legitimacy to protect its citizens in the southern part of Israel ... but this doing something does not mean this brutal and violent operation. ... I believe we could have got to a new truce without this bloodshed. Immediately to send dozens of jets to bomb a total helpless civilian society with hundreds of bombs—just today, they were burying five sisters. I mean, this is unheard of. This cannot go on like this.”

  But it is. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency, UNRWA, in Gaza opened up schools to provide shelter, since Gazans, trapped in this narrow strip of land, have no place to flee. Christopher Gunness of UNRWA told me that the agency provided the coordinates of the schools to the Israeli military. Nevertheless, at least two schools have been hit by Israeli strikes in the past 24 hours. Three people were killed at the Asma elementary school. More than 30 are reported dead and more than 55 injured at the al-Fakhura school in the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza.

  While Israeli planes drop pamphlets urging Palestinians to leave, the 1.5 million residents of the Gaza Strip, perhaps the most densely populated place on Earth, have no place to run, no place to hide. Calls for an immediate cease-fire are ignored by Israel and blocked by the U.S. government. It is not clear what the Obama administration will do—but the people of Gaza can’t wait until the inauguration. There must be a cease-fire now. And that’s just the beginning.
 
  Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column.
 
  Amy Goodman is the host of “Democracy Now!,” a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on more than 700 stations in North America. She was awarded the 2008 Right Livelihood Award, dubbed the “Alternative Nobel” prize, and received the award in the Swedish Parliament in December.

  © 2009 Amy Goodman

  Distributed by King Features Syndicate

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By Rachel Golem, February 9, 2011 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment
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The bad new is that the Egyptian economy is going to collapse, leading to mass starvation.

And millions of Iraqis are going to start killing each other.

The good news is, Ms. Goodman will write a best selling book, blaming it all on Jewish Republicans.

And many Israelis will die….........laughing.

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By Lil, January 29, 2009 at 10:38 am Link to this comment
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Darius,
has Israel opened up the borders? Has it restored the access to Gaza to 100%?? Well that was the MAIN reason that the Hamas started firing the rockets in the first place and that is the same reason they don’t stop firing them. Once again, which part of STOP THE OCCUPATION some of you, including Israel does not get it??

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By Quinty, January 29, 2009 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

Darius -

“So stupid that they don’t get it?”

Be careful, for a lack of “getting it” could be applied to your comment, too.

For while firing rockets at innocent civilians may be indefensible (though in terms of anger and a desire to strike back perhaps understandable) the murderous use of military power on a civilian population may perhaps even be more barbarous. Especially if that use is cloaked under high self-serving pieties.

There are precedents, you know? The Warsaw Ghetto…... ?

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By mark aleshnick, January 28, 2009 at 11:58 pm Link to this comment
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One must wonder if Darius even knows the difference between Hamas and Fatah.

The rogue state of israel has ceased to war crimes recently committed upon the civilian population of Gaza which is ruled by the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government of Hamas.

Regarding the incident he chooses to focus upon, how psychopathic is this:

Border Closes, Israel Promises More Gaza Strikes
January 27, 2009

“Credit for the roadside bombing which killed an Israeli soldier along the Gaza border earlier today has been claimed by the Jihad and Tawhid Brigades, an al-Qaeda linked group which has repeatedly clashed with Hamas. Still, the Israeli military says that even though Hamas didn’t carry out the attack, it is still responsible for it because they GUESS they MAY HAVE given consent to the group.”

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/27/border-closes-israel-promises-mo...

Regarding the ceasefire, israel has done all in its power to male it a mockery from the first days - anyone wishing to view NOT the words of the criminal israelis, but their actions can only conclude that it is the israelis who are bent on eliminating the Palestinian peoples and not the other way around.

MIDEAST: Israel Rejected Hamas Ceasefire Offer in December
By Gareth Porter*

WASHINGTON, Jan 9 (IPS)

“The ceasefire agreement that went into effect Jun. 19, 2008 required that Israel lift the virtual siege of Gaza which Israel had imposed after the June 2007 Hamas takeover. Although the terms of the agreement were not made public at the time, they were included in a report published this week by the International Crisis Group (ICG), which obtained a copy of the understanding last June.

In addition to a halt in all military actions by both sides, the agreement called on Israel to increase the level of goods entering Gaza by 30 percent over the pre-lull period within 72 hours and to open all border crossings and “allow the transfer of all goods that were banned and restricted to go into Gaza” within 13 days after the beginning of the ceasefire.

Nevertheless, Israeli officials freely acknowledged in interviews with ICG last June that they had no intention of opening the border crossings fully, even though they anticipated that this would be the source of serious conflict with Hamas.

The Israelis opened the access points only partially, and in late July Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni declared that the border crossings should remain closed until Hamas agreed to the release of Gilad Shalit, an IDF soldier abducted by Hamas in June 2006. The Hamas representative in Lebanon, Usam Hamdan, told the ICG in late December that the flow of goods and fuel into Gaza had been only 15 percent of its basic needs.

Despite Israel’s refusal to end the siege, Hamas brought rocket and mortar fire from Gaza to a virtual halt last summer and fall, as revealed by a report
by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC) in Tel Aviv last month. ITIC is part of the Israel Intelligence Heritage & Commemoration Centre (IICC), an NGO which is close to the Israeli intelligence community.

In the first days after the ceasefire took effect, Islamic Jihad fired nine rockets and a few mortar rounds in retaliation for Israeli assassinations of their members in the West Bank. In August another eight rockets were fired by various groups, according to IDF data cited in the report. But it shows that only one rocket was launched from Gaza in September and one in October.

The report recalls that Hamas “tried to enforce the terms of the arrangement” on other Palestinian groups, taking “a number of steps against networks which violated the arrangement,” including short-term detention and confiscating their weapons. It even found that Hamas had sought support in Gazan public opinion for its policy of maintaining the ceasefire.”

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45350

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By Darius, January 28, 2009 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment
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“There must be a cease-fire now.”

was and yet again it was broken by the Fatah movement claimed responsibility for firing a rocket at southern Israel late on Wednesday.

What don’t they get?

If you don’t want retaliation you DON’T fire rockets into Israel Or are they that stupid to comprehend that? I doubt it.

I truly think they really don’t care about the people of Gaza, otherwise they’d stop the rocket fire. Their actions scream volumes of how they really feel of the people of Gaza.

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By Jeff Ecc, January 13, 2009 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment

Thank you for giving airtime to dissenting Jewish voices in Israel.

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By Zita, January 12, 2009 at 8:31 am Link to this comment
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What this world needs now is peace, not who is right or wrong.
But I truly believe that true Muslims are not against Jews as I saw in Iran and other non-Arab countries.
I have to say that when I was a Christian from my father’s side that I heard alot of anti-Judesim from the Irish Christians.
Since becoming a Muslim the only people who have bad mouth Jews are the Arabs and their illogial reason is to do with Zionists and the Israeli state.
As I said other Islamic countries Iran included speak out against Zionism not Jews and I have witness this.
Now the Palestinaians should sort themselves out and get their State up and running. In the end we all return to GOD, so what is the problem with sharing a piece of land between each other
“Love thy neighbour as thyself” No matter who your neighbour is.

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By Lila, January 11, 2009 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment
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To Paul and all others who believe that “Allah” is something strange and exclusive created by Muhammed.
Thal “Allah” is NOTHING but the same YAHWEH that the good books of Judaism and Christianity teaches to their fowllowers.

Though I am not a Muslim but I don’t see anything different what Muhammad says from what the Christians said duruing the horrific year so cursade, inquisition and the genocide of the Native Americans in the Americas.

Paul, when you speak of “mythmaking” listen to what you preach like the gospel given to you by those who try to blind the rest of the world for what the cause of this long run conflict is so they can do as they wish.
What you strongly believe is not that “truth”, which you have aquired through knowledge and learning but it is what you have been told.
As Stephan Hawkins says ” The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but it is the illusion of knowledge” and in your case the “truth”. The only “truth” here is that people like you filled up with so much hate, arogance, extremisim, and vindication, no matter from faith and religion are THREAT to the humanity, to peace and ultimatly to this planet!! What you preach seems to me is TERORISM!!!

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By cyrena, January 11, 2009 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

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•  “The master mythmaker, Mohammed, said he ‘was ordered to FIGHT ALL men until they say there is no god but alah’. Thus, there are no moderate muslims and there will never be peace until we rid ourselves of this virulent plague called Islam. If we fail to do so, prepare for WWWIII. I know, the truth always hurts.”

Let me just add to what Quinty has already said, with a more blunt attention to YOUR ‘truth’. The 40-year old ethnic cleansing of Palestine has NOTHING to do with anything Mohammed said, or for that matter,  what any other religious ideology claims from their Holy Books. This is about GENOCIDE and it has nothing to do with any ‘religion’. Not Islam, not Judaism, not Christianity, or anything else connected to anything god allegedly said to anybody.

There has been a 60 year old attempt to justify this genocide/ethnic cleansing by claiming it to be something other than what it is…some allegedly centuries old ideological conflict between Muslims and Jews, based on fundamental differences in their ‘belief structure’. This is nonsense. Jews, Muslims, as well as a comparative handful of Christians lived peacefully TOGETHER on this very same space for years prior to the creation of the artifical State of Israel in 1948. Prior to the turn of the 20th Century, the numbers of Jews compared to the numbers of Arab Muslims was small, but they were always there, and there was not an issue with religion or even the standard ethnic/racial tensions that exist within certain civil structures of modern society.
Consequently, there is no more a “plague” of Islam than there is a ‘plague’ of Judaism or Buddhism, or Hinduism or Christianity. (Though if any of them have ever been PLAGUES of murderous ideology, it would be Christianity for sure..number one in all of history for the most barbaric destruction of humankind than all of the other religions combined).

No, the PLAGUE is Zionism, just like it was Nazism, and Zionism is no more a ‘religion’ than Nazism was. It has no connection to Judaism, just like Nazism had no connection to Christianity, despite the fact that Hitler claimed to be a Christian. It wasn’t Hitler’s supposed identity with the Christian faith that caused him to kill millions of Jews, blacks and others. It was his racist Nazi ideology that dictated the Aryan to be the superior human species, and that all others needed to be cleansed from the society.

So all of this talk of Islam being the reason for everything wrong in the world is BS and it’s getting old. This has been the main theme of the past 8 years of a US Propaganda Ministry that has intentionally created the plague of Islamaphobia in their fake ‘war on terror.” It serves Israel’s purposes quite well to blame this 40-year old ethnic cleansing operation on Islamic extremists, or ARAB Muslims of any degree of religiosity, and our own media here in the US has pandered the same myth for years.

That doesn’t even attempt to explain what the ‘excuse’ was before 1987, which was when Hamas was founded as a creation of Israel and the US, because they hoped to provide a counter-weight to the them enormously popular PLO, which was a SECULAR structure. The Israelis thought that by dividing the civil population of the Occupied Territories against either other, they could prevent any unification under the secular (as in NON-religious for those of you who don’t get that) leadership of a PLO that eventually became corrupted and began loosing legitimacy anyway. That’s what Israel had hoped to accomplish. What they didn’t bet on was that Hamas would eventually become a more effective representation of a people suffering under years of occupation. So the attempt backfired, especially after Hamas became the primary if not the exclusive provider of fundamental services to the Indigenous people of the Occupied Territories.

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By cyrena, January 11, 2009 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

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The fact that Hamas is mostly comprised of those Muslims who do adhere to a more fundamentalist religious ideology, (as evidenced by their total rejection of the corruption occuring under the secular PLO) doesn’t change the proximate cause of the conflict, which is NOT religion. It’s about a 41-year history of brutal oppression of an entire popution. It’s about Israel doing to the Palestinians, exactly what was done to them by the Nazi ideology of the authoritarian regeims of Hitler and Stalin as well. It’s about the perpetration of Zionism, which is just something the Zionist founders had decided when they first devised the plan to create a state for Jews only, and to do it on a space already populated by another group of a different ethnicity/race, as well as a different faith. The founding Zionists used the theme/plot from the Old Testament to come up with Zion as the place that Jews were supposed to have as their own private state from now until eternity, and that’s as close to a ‘religious’ connection as Zionism gets.
It has NO connection to the Judiasm that has been practiced by Jews from all over the world for centuries. In fact, the underlying principles of Zionism are a complete contradiction to the spiritual tenets of Judaism, the religion.

The attempts on the part of the pro-Israeli Zionists and their Judaeo-Christian allies in the West (who are no more “Christian” than the Zionists are given to Judaism) to blur this conflict with the existence of Islamic extremists like al-Qaeda and others, is just more of the same snow-job we’ve been hearing for years. But it’s wearing thin now that the rest of the world is far more aware of these atrocities that Israel has perpetrated for so long, even as much of the US and other western populations remained brainwashed, and attempt to provide ideological red herrings to cover up what are simple gross Crimes Against Humanity.

So rest assured, Mohammed ain’t got nothin on the Zionists when it comes to Mythmaking, but the carnage and destruction perpetrated by Israel against ALL of its Arab neighbors for these last 60 years has nothing to do with any ‘myth’ that Mohammed may have heard from Allah. What is HAS done is to create extremism where there wouldn’t otherwise be. It is the ‘extremism ‘of an occupied and persecuted population whose right to self-determination, (not to mention multiple other basic human rights) has been systemically violated over an extended period of time. Yes, ‘extremism’ will always result from those conditions.  Thanks to Israel and the unconditional support provided by the US in terms of MONEY, ($3billion a year) and WEAPONS, (to drop on their neighbors) and protection from the International Legal Community, we’ve had an increase in the number of reactionary extremist groups (like al-Qaeda) who ALSO use their religion to excuse some of their more murderous ways. But they are limited and a product of the abuse perpetrated against these people for so very long.

Since this IS ‘the truth’, there is something inherently sinister about anyone who would find it painful. If this truth ‘hurts’, it’s only for the fundamentally evil, or those in the deepest crevices or pits of denial.

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By KDelphi, January 11, 2009 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

Paul—It seems to me that christians said similar things during the Great Crusade…

When people threaten to do things, like annihilate, an entire race, the goal should be to stop them from doing it, not annihilate THEIR entire race.

What IDF are doing now, is certainly not disminishing anyone’s hatred, and, if you destroy the tunnels, people wil starve. Pics will get out. US support for Israel wil be exactly ZERO.

OBL has threatened the same thing. I suppose we should just kill everyone (collateral damage?) in every Muslim country we can think of, and, maybe we’ll get him. Oh, thats’ right, we did that. But, we didnt “get him”.

I am pretty sure that he is not in Iran, but, I do know that Israel wanted to attack them also. What, Israel and US “conquer the world”?? Not a chance…

The population of the uS is changing. People are tired of war. There is an entire Jewish community coming up that if full of young people who are nOT Zionists. If the uS stops funding Israel’e war machine, and selling it illegal weapons, the ability to destroy Gaza will be diminished.

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By santa fe, January 11, 2009 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

I am so grateful that I am french, english, irish, scottish and who knows what else.  I have no connection with any of it. I was born and raised in America.  A melting pot of “people”. I was raised Catholic and Methodist and have no connection to either one. I have a spiritual life - and that is enough.  People are people. People are murdering other people. It’s all senseless and stupid.  The thinking that we are all divided up by who our parents were is b.s. Life is short. Get over the Ego-separate identity. It causes wars.  Could care less if someone is Jewish, Muslim, white, black, mexican, asian.  Do they have a nice personality? Are they fun? Do they give back? Do I respect your religion? Not really, but I respect that you are entitled to worship as you wish.  Period. Religion and ethnicity are just not that interesting.

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By Quinty, January 11, 2009 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

Paul

The truth may hurt, though not necessarily ‘your truth’. And only if it is the truth to begin with.

So what are you proposing? A holy war with Islam?

The truth here may be that such sweeping attitudes and condemnations reveal something in our natures we should perhaps be wary of? That root cause for blind fanaticism which has caused so much mischief in the world. All fundamentalists, whether they’re Muslim, Christian, or Jew (look at the Israeli settlement movement) seem dedicated only to bringing misery to the world with their inflexible “truths.” And offer a profound selfishness.

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By Paul, January 10, 2009 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment
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The master mythmaker, Mohammed, said he ‘was ordered to FIGHT ALL men until they say there is no god but alah’. Thus, there are no moderate muslims and there will never be peace until we rid ourselves of this virulent plague called Islam. If we fail to do so, prepare for WWWIII. I know, the truth always hurts.

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By KDelphi, January 10, 2009 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

The IDF are dropping terrorist leaflets, not telling people to “leave” (and go where??), but, just telling them that “the worst is yet to come”.

Sure sounds like terrorism to me.

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By dick, January 10, 2009 at 9:58 am Link to this comment
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Fanatic Jews are determined to murder all Muslims, and the other way round.They all live in Palestine as neighbors. Thus, no peace is possible there until one religion wipes out the other.

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By Lila, January 10, 2009 at 2:42 am Link to this comment
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In these catastrophic moments in Gaza, many are misinterpreting the situation. This is NOT an Arab-Israeli conflict, if so where are the Arabs? This is Palestinian-Israeli conflict. This is not Muslim vs. Jewish conflict. This is Palestinian-Israeli conflict. There are many Christian Palestinians RIGHT NOW in Gaza!!
Many also disregard the fact that Hamas is DEMOCRATCIALLY elected. When is the U.S going to learn that changing regimes is NOT the way to go. Many condemn the Palestinians for electing Hamas. Let me ask you, would had it been acceptabel if any of those countries who did not aprove of Bush and his gang getting reelected bomb the United States back to the stone ages just because they did not like the outcome?
The defenders of Israel ALWAYS leave out the simple fact of the illegal occupation, blockade, starvation, killing and starvation of the Palestinians and they only stick to the argument of “they are sending rockets”. Yes they are sending those home made bombs and rockets with minimum damage to only defy and resist an ocuppation. An illegal occupation by the Israelis who have ignored and disregarded every single UN resolution during these years and every law and order by the Geneva conventions. Yet the Palestinians are to be blamed for throwing rockets and polvorizing them to pieces by the most advanced and sophistacated weapons given to the Zionists by the west, ESPESIALLY by the U.S with the American taxpayer’s money, this is justifyed and even cheered!!
SHAME ON HUMANITY! SHAME ON ALL OF THOSE APPOLOGISTS FOR THE ZIONIST REGIMES!!!
I have the ability to distinguish the difference between a “Jewish” and a “Zionist” but unfortunetly so many, including Americans have no ability to distinguish between a Jordanian, a Saudi, Al Qaida, a Palestina, a freedom fighter, resistance and terrorism . . .

I am appauled by reading some coments as “Israel is fighting our war agains the terorism”. Israel is NOT FIGHTING MY WAR. The truth is I AM FIGHTING ISRAEL’S WAR WITH MY MONEY while even I could not support myself through college and I am without healthcare and jobless, right now as I am writing this coment.

I am further appauled by that coment made here “I am sorry that people are passing away in Gaza . . .”, let me inform that person who got lipotomy . . . people are getting KILLED in Gaza, they are not “passing away”, as if they got heart attacks from eating too much fatty food!

I am sick and tired of the old cover up of “they are using human shield”, or “they are moving weapons in their ambualnces”, or “they are throwing rockets”  . . . This time I AM NOT BUYING IT ANYMORE and it seems like NOBODY besides the American Zionists population are.
People wake up!! It is enough of fighting Isarel’s war. As Ron Paul said in his today’s article, don’t we have enough on our plate? I lost my job and I have no healthcare while recovering from cancer while my congress is busy voting to aid Israel! THIS IS SHAMEFUL! THIS IS TREASON, THIS IS TREACHERY! My governmnet is failing to protect me and my interest while worrying and spending its time to protect another on the other side of the globe!!

AMERICANS WAKE UP AND DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS! Forget even those poor Palestinians, think about yourselves, your childeren, your next generation of this country, stop supporting violence by your and my money cheering, condoning and appologizing for violence!!

Thank you Amy Goodman for your article! As usual you try to give balance to this scewed American media. And thanks to all the Jews who speak up against the Zionism and its brutality!

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By Bill Mitchell aka NotGoingAlong, January 9, 2009 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment
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The myopic sages of the 9/11 “movement” by disconnection the motive and consequences of that psychological warfare operation bare more responsibility for the US wars of aggression against he populations of Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, and occupied Palestine.

It is clear that the US military was prevented from defending this country deliberately.  That the rehearsals dated back to 1996 and that is was not just an “Inside Job” but clearly a neo-con/Israeli co-conspiracy.  It is part of a protracted imperialist plot that anticipated the worst case scenario of being discovered and why the Department of Homeland Security and the repressive and unconstitutional legislation enacted in the aftermath of 9/11 and more importantly the millions of people murdered in flagrant violation of the Nuremberg Principles, Geneva Conventions, and Treaty on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.

Amy Goodman has had but weak critic on the Official 9/11 cover-story on ‘Democracy Now’ and that includes Dave Griffin, who does not move beyond the demolitions of the WTC buildings. 

Are there Israeli ‘Voices for Peace’ who make this argument? I did hear one Israeli air force captain this morning posted on Information Clearing House ( http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21684.htm ) the 3rd of 4 clips on the page.

I hope Truthdig will post my statement, and more importantly, that of the Israeli captain. It could cost him his life, which goes beyond those who conspire with war criminals by allowing the bogus foundation of 9/11 stand, especially in light of the genocide and devastation is was perpetrated to unleash upon the world.

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By cyrena, January 9, 2009 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

KDelphi wonders..

“Do people honestly still think that Obama should stay silent about this?

Stupid question as usual KDelphi, since he HASN’T ‘stayed silent’. He’s already explained what his position is for now, and yes…that’s the ONLY thing he can do, because this most recent attack on Gaza, (you all act like this is something new and that is getting really old) is a political minefield just waiting to derail him, and ALL of the work that he has to do.

How complicated is it for you to understand that until Jan 20th, Obama can’t sign his name to any foreign agreements on behalf of the US? Are you really that SLOW? Do you not GET that the OFFICIAL US SIGNATURE is STILL that of Dick Cheney writing GW’s name? What good would it do for Barack Obama to shoot off his mouth when that is ALL he could do in terms of ANY agreement, because he does NOT have that power yet, and WON’T until after Jan 20th? So, that would be quite STUPID for him to do. Stupid and suicidal, something you would do. Something that ignorant people without any sense of the political landscape would do. Stupid people just shoot off their mouth with NO concern about any of the ramifications that they themselves are too ignorant to recognize or even consider.

Remind us NEVER to trust your judgment about anything that involves anybody’s security. I can see you right now, enthusiastically leading everybody right over a cliff. (or at least anybody stupid enough to actually follow your lead).

But just for grins, why don’t you tell us exactly what Obama should say, when he breaks this silence that only you are aware of. (I’ve actually heard him comment on the issue more than once.) Then, after you tell us what he should say NOW, THEN tell us how that’s gonna help. Tell us how whatever Barack Obama SAYS, (after you tell us what you want him to say) is gonna HELP the people that are dying and suffering in Gaza and the West Bank, and most other places where the Israeli military is present. (Which is everywhere). Tell us how it wouldn’t be just as likely that anything he says now could even ESCALATE the collective punishment that Israel is dishing out.


Finally, just because YOU don’t hear or ‘comprehend’ something doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. So maybe you could learn how to sort out all of the voices you hear, and figure out which ones to pay attention to.

You might even give some thought to WHY he’s as ‘silent’ as you claim him to be. Now THAT would be far more constructive than you asking a stupid question on whether anybody thinks he should remain silent. (Especially since you couldn’t possibly have a clue to what he IS doing in terms of this crises).

But since you’re asking, I can think of a whole bunch of reasons for him to stay silent, and I can think of even MORE reasons for YOU to stay silent. But, that would be wishful thinking on my part. And no, the reasons aren’t the same.

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By mark aleshnick, January 9, 2009 at 4:43 am Link to this comment
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Remember Rachel Corrie

No more facts on the ground.  No more Palestinian homes demolished.  No more olive groves bulldozed.  No more separation walls.  No more ignoring UN resolutions.  No more harassment checkpoints.  No more settlements on stolen Palestinian land.  No more violations of the principles of Nuremberg concerning collective punishment.

Stop the genocide - “NEVER AGAIN” is not the exclusive purview of the jewish people, and NO, jewish blood is NOT more valuable than the blood of Palestinians (or others).

Boycott ALL israeli products and any multi-nationals that conduct business with the rogue state.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

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By Ken, January 8, 2009 at 10:16 pm Link to this comment
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There is enough blame to go around on all sides.  Hamas was “elected” despite not having a majority b/c the P.A. ran several candidates against only one Hamas candidate.  Hamas has been as rejectionist as right wing Zionists of the only solution possible-one where a Palestinian state and Israel live side by side in peace.  The Zionist movement is anything but monolitic.  It ranges from neo-fascist (Jabotinsky and his heirs) to socialist.  AIPAC has been under the control of the right for years and is itself a significant obstacle to peace.  JStreet-google it- (which represents a real alternative) was formed by an alliance of the Israel Policy Forum, the Jewish Alliance for Justice and Peace (Brit Tzedek v’shalom), and Americans for Peace Now.  Look at their websites (and MeretzUSA) to realize that it is possible, even necessary for people to be pro-Israel AND pro-peace.  The Gaza war is the responsibility of both Hamas, which aims its weapons and suicide bombers to maximize civilian casualties- and successive Israeli governments that have enabled a settler minority to dictate Israeli government policy.  Initiatives like the Saudi peace plan and the Geneva Initiative (google that virtual peace treaty created by Palestinians and Israelis who were involved in peace negotiations when Clinton left office after almost obtaining mutual agreement and were frustrated by W’s total ignoring of the possibility of peace).  Sometimes I wonder who is crazier -the Israeli right wing or the knee jerk leftist anti-Zionists.

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By Folktruther, January 8, 2009 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment

Ed Harges- the Americans who denounced the Iraqi invastion were not typical of the American people either when Bush’s polls indicated 85% approval.  Most people are initially caught up in war hysteria.  But it is only by the few speaking out that the population gain enough knowledge and courage to oppose power.

You are right about the American media.  I wonder why it is so much worse that that of other developed countries.

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By KDelphi, January 8, 2009 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

The Dems just passed a “Support Israel’s actions ” bill….

LIke they need any more help to accomplish genocide..

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/117952/democrats_’scrambling_to_push_out’_pro-israel_resolution/

Hoyer says that it would “certainly not include a ceasefire”.

You cannot find anytihng out about it on mainstream media…

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By Quinty, January 8, 2009 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

And Daga you could include Albert Einstein, Sidney Hook and Hannah Arendt if you look over at Robert Scheer’s posting here on Truthdig…..

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090106_why_do_so_few_speak_up_for_gaza/

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By Dag Andersson, January 8, 2009 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

@Deena

It never fails to amaze me how many virulent Jew haters there are. Israel is fighting OUR war against Muslim extremism. Anyone remember 9/11? Hamas is a militant Islamic organization that wants to wipe out Jewry—and Western civilization. Enough said.

The zionists have caused more damage to the Jews than Hitler could ever dream of. When people like Gandhi,Dalai lama, Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela and Jimmy Carter are labelled “anti-semites”, this infamous slander becomes an honorary title.

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By Dag Andersson, January 8, 2009 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

@AJ1009 I agree with you, watching Amy Goodmann and Democracynow is an excellent way to get balanced info on hot topics. However I disagree when you say the Arabs hates who we are, and somehow you have the impression they feel superior to us.  I think shrink would call your assertion a “transference”.
Samuel P. Huntington:

“The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.”

Which brings me to your claim that the victims of western violence are “terrorists” because they refuse to   hand over their land to the poor colonialists or fail to understand that we invade and bomb their country because we want to liberate them.
  And you are wrong when you say that Hamas is unwilling to listen.  The whole World ‘cept US and Israel is talking to Hamas .  We have all witnessed US’ and Israel’s laserguided diplomacy the last   8 years , and to blame this sorry mess on Hamas is an insult to every intelligent human being.  -please don’t.

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By Quinty, January 8, 2009 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

Now there’s news the Israeli settlers who were driven out of Gaza more than three years ago are preparing to return.

How do they know this land is theirs? Why, God told them so. How can it not be so?

And what does that mean in terms of human suffering? Please do not tell me that there is not a racist element in all this. There are many settlers who see the Palestinians as subhuman. According to the same report settler attacks on Palestinians have increased also.

For the source:

http://www.alternet.org/audits/117812?page=entire

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By AJ1009, January 8, 2009 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

wait, and the arab world doesn’t think there supremists? why do they terrorize countries they hate?  because they think they are better then every body else.  a jew is a jew.  jews don’t think there supremists.  The supremists come from the fundamentalist arab world.  I don’t understand how Israel can be looked at as the bad guy when they are defending themselves.  They have the power why not use it, to try to convince organizations not to attack Israel because of their capabilities, yes that is kind of being a bully, but why not throw your weight around if you can, the US did it, and people didn’t seem to mind it (before 9.11 or shortly after).  I’m sorry people are passing away in this conflict.  But no other country will take in the palistinians, what does that say about them???? Israel won’t let them in because you don’t know who your letting through, and a terrorist could easily say he’s a doctor and go bomb a hospital, its not unheard of.  the palistinians voted for a terrorist oganization to lead them.  If they want the vote to count, you have to deal with the consequences,  and those consequences are the current conflict.  Instead of hamas using there money to build schools, roads, and communities, they decided to pay for weapons just to attack israel.  The main point is being lost in all this discusion.  Hamas, who the palastinian people at one time did support, calls for Israel to be erased off the map.  any country as a right to defend itself from that.  How is israel the bad guy?  i might be a very strong zionists, but i don’t understand how Israel is compared to the third reich in all this.  That’s just rediculous. Hamas and fundamentalist Islam kill in the name of G-D.  that is worse.  that is something i can never understand.  Israel as a right to defend itself, it never kills because it just wants to. it defends itself.  Americans are way to sheltered to understand the concept of what Israel actually means to the people of Israel (when i say people of israel i mean the Jewish people as one whole group not just the people who live there).  The islamic faith prays towards Mecca, they make a pilgramage to Mecca, what do they need jerusalem for.  They want it because we have it, the land the buildings the infrastructure all built by jews that left nazi germany.  and will do anything to defend it.  It says something when nearly every 18 year old Israeli wants to go into the IDF to defend there country.  Jews pray towards jerusalem, they have mecca we have jerusalem.  And i don’t want to hear your average american that has never left the states, or hell even their own cities, say they understand what is going on there.  They don’t, not unless they live under constent terror from bombs and mortors.  All i’m saying is i see the bad things both sides are doing, but i side on Israel.  And don’t have any sympathy for a people that support an orgaizaiton like hamas.  By speaking out against israel believe it or not, you are speaking out for hamas to ragain control of gaza.  is that what people really want.  I underatand this fighting needs to stop.  But hamas has to stop first and israel will react favorablly, we’ve done it in the past and will do it again.  And hamas won’t listen to anybody but themselves.  So what is the solution??????

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By Deena Rich, January 8, 2009 at 8:46 am Link to this comment
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It never fails to amaze me how many virulent Jew haters there are. Israel is fighting OUR war against Muslim extremism. Anyone remember 9/11? Hamas is a militant Islamic organization that wants to wipe out Jewry—and Western civilization. Enough said.

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By RdV, January 8, 2009 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

Wow, AJ1009-

  Everybody should bookmark your little screed. It is the classic example of a totally brainwashed Zionist supremist.
  The US is your only friend in the world and when the day comes that the US cuts you off—and that day approaches there will be no one to buy your goods and that ain’t good for business.
Not so smart after all, huh?
And if it is possible for you to peer through the haze of your Zionist superiority, you will notice that the chorus seeing the comparison between you and the third reich grows louder with each passing day.

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By Jason Crowson, January 7, 2009 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment
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Quinty—

I don’t know if Obama will exercise any influence over Israel or not. But he is more likely to if ordinary Americans start pressuring him to do so.

And citizens are more likely to take notice of the situation if they realize their tax dollars are involved.

In the 2008 election it was alluded to in code: Does this candidate or that candidate “support” Israel?

I never saw the question: “Will you keep supplying Israel with 3.5 billion dollars in aid per year?” 

Daily newspapers, local and network television news stations refuse to print or broadcast the information. It’s just not mentioned.

It’s something we can all do something about. Write letters to editors, call local news stations.

Journalists should not be allowed to willfully omit important information from their articles and reports.

And election coverage should not couched in language that only people already in the know can decipher.

How much aid do we provide to Israel, to the Palestinians, to Egypt, to Jordan? These are all relevant questions that will help Americans feel much more involved in the situation.

Once Americans get involved, politicians will act more responsibly with American tax dollars.

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By AJ1009, January 7, 2009 at 10:16 pm Link to this comment

Israel will always be able to support itself.  It soon will be free of foriegn oil by battery powered cars.  why do companies choose to invest in israel then even there own country like the US, because Jews are smart.  Microsoft, intel, HP, Apple, and many other have there R&D Headquarters in israel.  You think they can’t support themselves on exports?  they export a lot.  we don’t need the 3.5 billion from the US, that money just shows how good allies we are.  And if the US/Israeli relationship ever faulters, that would not be good for the US.  We really on them as much as they really on us.  They have the best intelligence agency in the world, and the one of the strongest militaries in the world.  The US learns from them, not the other way around.  The US asked them for help to fight the terrorist, because they had the plans in place, because they have been fighting them for 60 years.  Israel can’t support itself?  Thats bullshit,  it can and it will, if it needs to.  The US/Israeli alliance will always be strong, if you don’t like it move to canada (sorry canada).  There is no comparison to what Israel is doing and to what the Nazi’s did.  It kills me to type that sentence.  The Nazi’s killed because we weren’t like them.  The palistinians are killing because we are not like them.  We are killing to DEFEND ourselves, DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND,  its the ISRAEL DEFENSE FORCE you little piece of SHI** who compared what israel is doing to nazi germany.  we defend our country.  Oh and one other thing.  If the US/Israel relationship ever falls, you will see more jews move there then after the second world war.  Israel comes first, America a far second.  call me un-american, but thats the truth.

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By Ed Harges, January 7, 2009 at 9:54 pm Link to this comment

The Israelis who denounce this atrocity are not representative of the majority. Israelis - or at least Israeli Jews - overwhelmingly approve. That’s only natural, since the very basis of their society is religious/ethnic supremacism.

And furthermore, it galls me that their dissenters get to speak out and be heard in the major media, whereas their lobby in the US makes damn sure that Americans hear only news and opinion that supports the Israeli government’s actions. Israelis are allowed to at least hear the other side of the argument, but the Americans must be carefully kept in pro-Israel propaganda coccoon, as we unquestioningly cough up billions for Israel and fight wars of aggression for them.

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By Folktruther, January 7, 2009 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

No, Joe, you’re wrong.  There are sincere voices for peace in Israel, Uri Averny and Jonathon Cook being two of them.  When any power system goes to war, the initial reaction is a kind of war hysteria to support it, as happened in the US with Iraq.  But if there is military resistence, the hysteria wears off and people begin asking what the point of it is.

At that point as a crisis begins to loom and the ideas of peace truthers provide a way of leading the invading population to resist their own power structure.  The problem is that it takes a long time, and meanwhile blood is flowing.  But the process would not happen at all if their were not sincerely peace truthers who opposed the mainstream media.

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By ZT, January 7, 2009 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment
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Here are references to the list I made. This is not were I got the origional information but I did a google search and these sources all verify it.

Body count—that was from Reuters. It’s what all the news agencies are reporting now and it’s not of huge signifigance so I won’t bother getting a specific link

1. http://www.mesi.org.uk/ViewPoint.aspx?ArticleId=23
2. same as above as well as http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3648072,00.html http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1230733148165
3. the first source and http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28404637/ and http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,599943,00.html

Israel providing electricity and food to Gaza

included in former sources as well as

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3496729,00.html

this explains what Israel is cutting off from Gaza (fuel, which is being used in rockets) as well as what is not being cut off:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/21/marktran

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By KDelphi, January 7, 2009 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

ZT—Can you provide something more than your opinion here? I mean, if those are the “facts”, where did you get them?

Amy Goodman may be off on the numbers killed by friendly fire, but, she is a very solid journalist, and, unless you have sopmething more than that, I think people can very much trust her work.

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By ZT, January 7, 2009 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment
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There are several factual innacuracies in this article, some more important than others.

“Ten Israelis have been killed, three of them Israeli soldiers killed by friendly fire.”

5 were killed by friendly fire

“Beyond the deaths and injuries, the people of Gaza are suffering a dire humanitarian crisis that is dismissed by the Israeli government”

Nonesense.
1. The UN asked Israel to STOP sending food (from millions of Israeli tax shekels and US dollars) because the aid warehouses were full. 
2. Israel has allowed injured palestinian civilians to access hospitals outside of Gaza, in Israel
3. Israel had a 3-hour one-sided ceacefire (Hamas was still firing rockets) just to send in unneaded supplies.

““The detail is that they don’t get basic foodstuff, that they don’t get electricity, that they don’t get water.”“

Not true either. Just as many American voters are misinformed about Iraq, this Israeli is sadly misinformed. The Gaza strip can generate about 30% of its own electricity and was getting the rest from Israel prior to the war. Food and water was let in through checkpoints, just not more expensive goods.

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By KDelphi, January 7, 2009 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment

Quinty—They are following a script, written by Dubya and the neo-cons. Think about it. We invaded Iraq, with Dubya telling Hussein to “leave within 48 hours”, and that we would “commence attack at the time of our choosing” ( I have no idea what the purpose of telling someone that , if you are just “going to choose anyway”—I guess it is to look like a swinging dick cowboy)

They probaably thknk, “well, what can the uS say now? Everyone knows that they are war criminals, too”


AJ1009—I opposed it, and, would now. We dont honestly KNOW who was exactly BEHIND 9/11.I choose not to trust ourt so-called “leaders” with that.The “fears” of Israel is just an excuse. Israel is a hell of alot safer than the US. They also have a higher standard of living. Shouldnt they at least buy their own GD bombs?!


I am tired of being the armory to the insane world..

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By joe, January 7, 2009 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment
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“Voices for peace?” Excuse me while I throw up.

This article is essentially nothing but leftist revisionism through the back door: Goodman tries to convey the patently, provably false impression that there still are people in Israel that oppose the slaughter when in actual fact the overwhelming majority (81%, say recent polls) of Israelis wholeheartedly supports this disgusting genocide.

It is exactly this kind of leftist revisionism lends support to the idea that there is still a degree of basic human decency left in some Zionist hearts, when in actual fact utter cynicism, racism and subhuman behaviour reign supreme in Israel.

How many of us realise that the apartheid state of Israel is nothing but a western storefront, one of our last colonial outposts? Israel was designed under a ploy (now commonly referred to as the “holocaust”) essentially to defend western strategic and energy (oil!) interests in the region.

In my humble (European) view, we should start considering some new, alternative approaches: 50 years of Israeli statehood are more than enough! The residents of Israel should be repatriated to the countries from whence they or their parents came: the highly probable net result of such a repatriation can be summed up in a single word: PEACE.

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By Quinty, January 7, 2009 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

Jason Crowson -

Right. And eventually, en masse, Americans may finally walk through the glass wall the Israel lobby has set up.

But we live by many myths in this country, which GWB and his Neocon friends fully exploited.

Will Obama have the courage, or, rather, the political skills to walk through the wall into reality while defending Israel? Actually, by forcing a peace settlement, he would help Israel, even if they don’t know it. How much blood will Netanyahu want?

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By Quinty, January 7, 2009 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

This is not the first time Israel has dropped leaflets warning the civilian population below that they were about to bomb them. This slight of hand covers the barbarity which will follow for their apologists, who will tell us this act demonstrates how humane the Israelis are. In opposition, of course, to the people they will bomb.

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By Fadel Abdallah, January 7, 2009 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

By AJ1009, January 7 at 2:18 pm

Another piece of bullshit from a f..n bloody Zionist!

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By AJ1009, January 7, 2009 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

I have been listening to Amy Goodman since july when Democracy Now!! was the first podcast i downloaded and i listen to it everyday.  I can’t get through a day without listening to it, the insight is amazing.  And i understand the reporting on Gaza and how humanitarian efforts at this time are critical.  But when a ceasefire is broken, or a terrorist organization use there own civilians as human shields as you said on todays podcast, what is Isreal to do?  not fire back when there getting shot at?  look at it this way.  If Al-Qaeda or the Taliban gained control of Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico, or any of the caribbean islands.  And started firing rockets, missles and anything else they could find from accross our border into the United States of America from very dense populated areas, such as hospitals, churches, mosques, temples, schools or whatnot.  do you think america would just do nothing?  or would we invade/fight back with the intent of stopping the rockets and shutting down there operation.  like we did in afganistan after 9.11.  the answer is no, we wouldn’t just sit back and take it, and the residents of this country would have no opposition to it.  Now imagine those countries we share boarders with or countries that are close to our shores, being controlled by terrorists for 8, 10, 20, 60 years and getting shot at every day.  We would fight back?  that is what is happening in Isreal,  and there fed up with it, its about time they do something, if it means people die, that is the price of war, that Hamas, which those people voted for, is the reason for the sufferage in that region.  Terrorist organizaitons build up communities only to tear them down lower then they were before.  The palastinian people did this to themselves.  They don’t want a two state solution they want a one state solution.  that will never happen, cause Isreal will always put themselves on the offensive.  And for those poeple who want to boycott isrealli products, have fun, mind as well throw away all your electronic equipment, such as computers, cell phone, microsoft products, your TV’s, your playstations, Xboxes, your generic western medicine (this largetest generic pharmacutical company is an isrealli company)  high powered batteries for cars and large equipment.  You mind as well just stay in and read a book by an american because otherwise you will not get through one day without using something that was Researched & Developed in Isreal.  The first computer chip ever made was made by Intel out of sand from Isreal.  Now go be a little hermit because thats the only thing you can do if you boycott Isrealli products.

Frusterated Zionist, who is completely backing this war.

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By Anti-Zionist Jew, January 7, 2009 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment
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The entire ideology of Zionism is in direct violation of the Torah.


http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com

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By KDelphi, January 7, 2009 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

The bombimg of the UN school is just a war crime.

nrobi is right. The US neo-cons did not want to deal with the PLO, so , now they have Hamas.Legally voted in, which Bush was warned of, but, was on a “elections in the middle east” roll, I guess.. What they would probably like, would be to appoint a puppet dictator, like they have tried in the rest of the Middle East. Worked out really well, huh?

Robert—as you well know, no one coudl muffle Obama’s mouth but himaelf.

The US is commiteed to $34 billion in military aid for Israel, though 2012. (Dayton Daily News, by way of NYT)

Big B—YOu are right about Israel using Palestine—like the uS uses “the “war on terror”.(and, formerly , the USSR) But, even if thet “oil runs out”, the Judeo-Christian Zionistss of the US will still want to “keep the chosen people in the Holy Land for Jesus return”.

Lets back Kucinich in support of an investigation, and, lets not forget about it, or back down! It is high time that the uS govt knew how sick to death the USAns are of this complicity , that causes Israel and US to be loathed around the world.

Do people honestly still think that Obama should stay silent about this?

This just in!! Condi considering a ceasefire! How one-sided do you think it will be?? Any ceasefire is better than none. How can you put forward a “lasting ceasefire”? How do you know it will last (or no) when you impelmet it? Lets have a ceasefire—THEN talk..oops! Just in—she is not…I wish Obama would stop having meals with Bush and make a staement. The uS is the only country that can truly weigh in on this.

What in hell is there to “learn” from Bush????

PE Obama is speaking on it now. It would be wrong to even “give out signals” until he is sworn in…sigh. Clinton is complimenting Bush on his carpet choics—have we all just gone insane?? Who give s f**k!!

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By Blackspeare, January 7, 2009 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

Poor misguided peace advocates they know not what they seek.  The current Arab-Israeli conflict is built upon millennium of confrontation albeit with periods of respite.  Make no mistake about it, Israel has been the sworn enemy of Arab populations for 5,000 years——there can be no peace between the parties until one side is vanquished.  Israel was close in 1967 and threw that chance away and what’s more they now know it.  They won’t let another chance get away!!!

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By Jason Crowson, January 7, 2009 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

“I’m speaking ... not as anyone’s nephew but ... as an Israeli, trying to speak out to Americans to tell them you don’t have to support Israel blindly.”

Translation:  America provides Israel with about 3.5 billion dollars per year in aid. 

Have you ever seen that number in a newspaper?

Ever heard it on the news?

Was it ever mentioned during the last election? 

Get the word out. Americans need to know they ARE involved. It’s their tax dollars.

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By brian a. hayes, January 7, 2009 at 11:42 am Link to this comment
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we must suport the peace makers in isael and seek out the peace makers in palestine and finally create a grassroots movement for peace in this conflit. this is what i learn from the civil rights movement in the united states. it took the couragous actions of the people under the leadership of king to inspier the government to make change. to make the united states a more perfect union.  we need to feel inpower that we all can create a peaceful world. lets unite together as peace makers of the 21 century. the century of a culture of peace

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By Folktruther, January 7, 2009 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

Prole—What’s wrong with Averny?  I’ve read his pieces in Counterpunch and he seems honest, courageous and intelligent in a bad situation.  Maybe there is someting I don’t know about him.

The Palestinians will not have to fight a millenium. Israel will not even last another half century with its current policies and leadership.

Eileen- Israeli is worse than apartheid South Africa.  It is not based on apartheid, but rather on ethnic cleansing.  It has not yet committed crimes comparable to the Nazies but it is on the same historical trajectory.

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By Ed Harges, January 7, 2009 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

In practical terms, it doesn’t matter what Israeli doves say, as long as the Israeli government, through its lobby, can make sure that American politicians and mainstream journalists are undeviating in their support for Israel’s violence.

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By Thomas Mc, January 7, 2009 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

The Israeli Zionists have become worse than the German NAZIs. I hope the world spends decades hunting down and punishing them for their crimes, just as they did the Nazis.

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By Muckraker, January 7, 2009 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

The US is brain washed and our Government is controlled by AIPAC.  Every Congressional member, Bush, and now Obama (except Kucinich) kowtows to AIPAC.  Our Mideast foriegn policy is dominated by Israel.  They helped coerce us in to the Iraq War.  The so called Media is part of this deception.  We all need to speak out like Amy Goodwin.  We are not antisemetic justant antiinjustice.

Wilbur N. Rhodes   Kittery, Maine

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By RdV, January 7, 2009 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

Where are the American Jewish voices speaking out against the slaughter?
They are either complicit in their silence—silent in fear of betraying their tribe or endlessly rationalizing, justifying, excusing or downright lying if not promoting the lavish praise and blind arrogant identification with Israel.

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By Purple Girl, January 7, 2009 at 7:09 am Link to this comment

So the number of palestinians is about 600 now, Well that should spawn about 6000 more recruitments into Hamas. Oh sure some are only chldren now, but they will carry a Scar which only a Childs innocence can make more Deadly. so hold on to your hats we will have at least one more future Generation of ‘Crisis in the Middle East’ headlines.
As for US, many have had enough of playing ‘sugar Daddy’ to a country which provides No Reciprocation, except death defying Tourism.Reason Israeli is USELESS comes on several levels..They Produce Nothing, they Export Nothing and they are far to ‘provoking’ to help in most international causes. We can not ask fro their assistance in either the Afghani or Iraq situation and they are the Cause of the Iranian conflict.
Lest we forget, that regardless of the ‘Christian Freinds of Israel’ many americans are not ‘keen’ on th ejewish faith to begin with..Yes anti semites still live & breath in the US (and around the World).
Thye ahve apparently A.S.S.U.M.E.d that Hagee et al call the Religious shots around here, they don’t. In fact more Christians are beginning to differentiate themselves from Evangelicals (as Historically most cultures do when faced with ‘End of Dayers’)
Even those of US who are Not anti semetic or hold the jews responsible for Christs Cruxification are Pissed how much OUR Foreign policy is controlled by the Whims of the Israeli Gov’t.Personaly I find it Treasonous (Questionable allegience) for ANY Public servant to have a Duel Citizenship with Israel (or any other country).
Just saw a Ad last night asking Ameircans to send Money to help the Israeli Gov’t wage this genocide..We thought at first it was a Joke.
Israel has not only been a Parasite on american wealth and good Will, they have been the Boil on our Asses.
Have no doubt most Americans are aware of the FACT that we will once again have to take a Hit because of this Action and Bush’s blockage of a Cease fire and Refusal to Condemn the ‘Overkill’ which the the Isaeli Gov’t have once again exhibited.
We have been Oversatiated with ‘support Israel’ Propaganda, It is about ready to Backlash on the Repugs, the Evangelicals and the Israeli Gov’t.
Way to end this BS, Cut Israel off of US Money, weapons and support. then lets See ifthey are ready to make some concessions. Peace in the Middle East will come when Israeli actually becomes a ‘soveriegn’ nation and truely stand on it’s own, making it responsible for protecting itself against the anomosity It perpetuates.
Otherwise We should all Pray the 3 Lightening Bolts to similtaneously destroy all three ‘Holy’sites, rendering the ‘holy land’ to the scratch of unproductive earth it is.

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By eileen fleming, January 7, 2009 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

Jeff Halper, American Israeli and Founder of ICAHD told me in October 2006:

“It has been said that the Israeli’s do not love this land, they just want to possess it. There have been three stages to make this occupation permanent. The first was to establish the facts on the ground; the settlements. There are ½ million Israeli’s and four million Palestinians here. They have been forced into Bantustan; truncated mini states; prison states.


“It is apartheid and Bush and Hillary are both willing collaborators. In 1977, Sharon came in with a mandate, money and resources to make the Israeli presence in the West Bank irreversible.


“The second stage began in April 2004 when America approved the Apartheid/Convergence/Realignment Plan and eight settlement blocs.


“This is just like South Africa! The Bush Sharon letter exchange guaranteed that the USA considers the settlements non-negotiable.

“The Convergence Plan and The Wall create the borders and that is what defines Bantustans. Congress ratified the Bush plan and only Senator Byrd of West Virginia voted no and nine House Representatives.

“Israel has set up a matrix of control; a thick web of settlements guaranteed to make the occupation permanent by establishing facts on the ground. Israel denies there is an occupation, so everything is reduced to terrorism.

“It is our job to insist upon the human rights issue, for occupied people have International Law on their side.”

-Excerpted from “Memoirs of a Nice
Irish-American ‘Girl’s’ Life in Occupied Territory” by eileen fleming

PS-I had lunch with Amy Goodman end of April 2007 and gave her a copy of that book. I also informed her that her interview with Vanunu was major testimony against him in FREEDOM OF SPEECH TRIAL. Amy didn’t bother to do a follow up call until July 2007 AFTER Vanunu was sentenced to 6 months in jail. V would not talk with her or any media then.

But he has spoken since:

“13 Minutes with Vanunu” taped 2008 freely streaming VANUNU ARCHIVES:
http://www.wearewideawake.org

 

Eileen Fleming, Author, Founder WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Producer “30 Minutes With Vanunu” and “13 Minutes with Vanunu”

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By Big B, January 7, 2009 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

I wonder, when the oil is gone from the Middle East, will our support for Israel end as well?

Keep this in mind, the jewish leadrship uses the palestinians like the US government used the old Soviet Union. They need an enemy to justify their motis apparandi, their very existance. The jewish state has been running a “Warsaw Ghetto” in Gaza for over 30 years. By the continual oppression of the people through blockades and the suppression of basic human needs, they are able to create an unending supply of “terrorists” to commit small crimes now and then to justify the huge Israeli military and of course a bottomless pit of US munitians sent to the region, to all sides.

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By John, January 7, 2009 at 5:16 am Link to this comment
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I call that tiny tract of land the ASSHOLE of the world simply simply because the place has been a farting precursor to all the bad shit to come in the world for the last 60 years.  And yet many intelligent and educated people prefer living there because of their religious believes, many of which are based on fairytales and lies.  And yet in a strange way we all need that kind of places because if the world does not fart there, it will fart somewhere else.  So better be there, than anywhere else. There is no right or wrong, only choices.

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By I wan to mention that all the world is being assau, January 7, 2009 at 4:52 am Link to this comment
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Lincoln Nebraska controls all of the weapons of Israel.  The US DAS Homeland Security is there. 

Those in the USA for peace, truth, justice have been tortured, and murdered.

Audible Torture by directed Energy weapons INSIDE THE USA by USA/DoD/NSA/NATO

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=296744052&blogID=434628235

These are the weapons as to how Israel is made to look like they are the ones at fault.  In actuality is is the USA controlling Israel.

http://www.peaceinspace.org explains the Mink Control Weapons

Please Read

http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publish/lightsoutgaza.shtml


From http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org

You probably also won’t read in the US media that
the US actually helped foment the civil war in Gaza
Israel never ended its occupation of Gaza
or that this is all made possible through American support, and can therefore be prevented.

The Threat of Laser Weapons and Infared Weapons- Weapons falling into third party entities-Copy and paste the link below. The one hot linked in Myspace sometimes reroutes to another location
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2008/april08leb.pdf
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2008/april08leb.pdf
HOW TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE MIND CONTROL EFFECTS
Copy and paste link to find how to reduce and Eliminate Mind Control/Torture
http://www.us-government-torture.com/KIT2.html

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By writeon, January 7, 2009 at 3:10 am Link to this comment
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As an individual with ‘Jewish blood’ in my veins I feel proud of this part of my history, my heritage; but I don’t feel any pride in what’s happening in Gaza or the occupied territories.

Ultra-nationalism, agressive militerism and the myth of ethnic/cultural superiority, are destroying Israel morally from the inside and leading the Israeli state towards disaster in the future. Israel is provoking a backlash of monumental proportions which once it really gets going will destabilise the entire region and threaten Israel’s very existance, and then asking for peace will become an irrelevance. It will be like trying to stop a flood, a flood of blood, and then Israel will only have it’s huge nuclear arsenal to rely on for survival and do we really want to do down that road?

Jews destroying Arab cities with nuclear weapons, is that why Israel was created? Is this a price worth paying for the creation of Israel? It’s bad enough that Palestine has been wiped off the map to create Israel, but nuclear war too? Yet that is the road we are moving down. Already the attack on Gaza resembles the Nazi attack on the Warsaw Ghetto, moral and ethical lines are being crossed that are liked daggers aimed at the heart of Israel. Can Israel even survive as a democracy as it slowly evolves into a military state with ultra-nationalist, racial mythology, at its very core? The role of the successful invader and warrior nation, destroys as much as it creates. Israel isn’t protecting its security or its future by its actions in Gaza, the perverse dream of wiping out Palestine and its people and then everything will be fine and ‘peace’ will reign for ever. On the contrary, this is nothing more than a recipe for future disaster for everyone involved. Israel’s only hope is to aim to become a fully integrated into the region on terms acceptable to the region as a whole, not the other way around, anything else is a form of nationalist fanatasy, a dangerous delusion.

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By prole, January 7, 2009 at 1:59 am Link to this comment

Amy Goodman is up to her old tricks again - with the help of her ghostwriter -offering another ‘left handed’ defense of the Jewish State. Jews like Goodman and Avnery play the ‘good cop, bad cop game’ pretending to be high-minded defenders of right and truth while implicitly seeking to maintain Israeli hegemony. By working both sides of the street Jews can later claim they were on the winning side all along, no matter how it all turns out. No matter, the Hezbollah heroes didn’t need Goodman and Avnery to liberate their land and neither does Hamas. Israel has no particular ‘right to exist’. When the zionist Frankenstein was formally midwifed in ‘48, the UN was only a rump organization that had only recently come into existence itself and the decision to create the new bastard state at the behest of Western powers was not made by the entire world community of nations, nor even unanimously approved by the 56 countries that did vote on it at the time. Israel was the last colonial project of the imperialist powers in the world’s most important resource region. Hamas is simply trying to right that great historical injustice. They don’t need to get Goodman’s or Avnery’s approval to do that. What’s going on in Gaza right now is very similar to what went on in ‘47 -‘48 during the Nakba and the current situation all stems from that - not the nearly harmless Katyusha rockets being fired at the colonial oppressors. The idea, of course - as always - is that Jews should decide the fate of Palestinians over their heads. Whether it’s the ‘bad cops’ like Barak (and Barack!) and Livni or the ‘good cops’ like Goodman (such an ironical name) and former Irgun terrorist Avnery and their kind.  Goodman and pals “humanitarian” concerns are more of the noblesse oblige variety, a kind of condescending pity. Better than nothing maybe but not exactly the whole enchilada. Avnery not long ago argued vehemently against an economic boycott of Israel and against a binational one-state solution. Using the Biblical legend of Sodom he allegorizes, “in Sodom there were not 10 righteous to be found, and so its fate was sealed. I believe that in Israel there are many, many more than ten righteous people. But they are afraid. They lack trust. They are shackled by the beliefs they acquired in early childhood. They must be freed from them - and I believe that it can be done.”
  And after the recent American election, in an article in Haaretz, Avnery gushed (a little pun), “The appearance of Barack Obama, the man who came from nowhere and led a historic revolution, proves that anything is possible ...On Saturday, two weeks ago, the proponents of peace gathered at Rabin Square ...An air of quiet despondency floated above everything. But perhaps there was in that crowd an Obama of our own, waiting for his day.” Avnery and Goodman can go on believing in the “many, many” righteous people in Israel and hoping for a new political messiah like AIPAC stooge Obama - who has remained conspicuously silent during Israel’s murderous rampage in Gaza - but in the meantime, probably for the next millennium, Palestinians will have to go on fighting to free themselves from the all too real shackles Israel puts on them from early childhood.

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By driving bear, January 7, 2009 at 12:34 am Link to this comment

Yes Hamas was freely elected BUT you are leaving out the fact that Hamas ran on a platform of war against Israel. To the people of Gaza I say ” You are getting what you voted for”

I love it when Democracy works.

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By john from ojai, January 6, 2009 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment
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Bless Amy Goodman and Truthdig for speaking the truth. I read the articles and comments of the mainstream media and I feel that my country is inhabited by Neanderthals.Please support Dennis Kucinich’s proposed investigation of Israel for possible war crimes. They’ve clearly violated article 33 of the 4Th Geneva Convention which outlaws collective punishment of civilians.
Also,stop the $5 billion a year the U.S. taxpayer gives to Israel. Israel could not afford these wars without it and they might actually sit down and talk.
Israel broke the ceasefire and Hamas has offered an indefinite truce if Israel would do the same and lift the blockade. The blockade is the act of war that many Israel apologists miss. Normal living products are not allowed in to the country. Long term solutions need to resolve the stealing of homes and land from hundreds of thousands of indigenous Palestinians for a Zionist state inhabited by mainly Eastern European Jews. Work for justice and peace will follow.

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By abdo, January 6, 2009 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment

By Folktruther, January 6 at 7:17 pm #

Uri Averny is a sincere advocate for piece.  I don’t know about the others.  Peace Now is a fake peace group supported by Sepharad, one of the Ziofascists on TD.  Shift is right about most of the Jewish peace groups, such as Rabbi Learner.  He equates anti-zionism with anti-semitism.

Zionism from before the founding of Israel is based on ethnic cleansing. Whatever is said publicly, the major parties in Israel, Likud, the Olmert-Livni offshoot, and Labor,led by Barak, have all been in favor of ethnic cleansing in Israel, and establishing ‘facts on the ground.’

Israel’s historical positions, blowing up their homes, destroying their businesses, stealing their taxes and water, and shooting journalists who expose it, all are oriented to destroying the Palestinian people.

They are treating them as the US treated the Indians two centuries ago, but in the modern world.  Just as America was based on ethnic cleansing, the US power structure supports it in Israel.  To the enormous future suffering of both the American and Israeli people.  And the present torment of the Palestinian people.

I second abdo

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By Robert, January 6, 2009 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

OBAMA’S DELIBERATE SILENCE IS PUZZLING !

If the 600 plus Palestinian civilian casualties (women, men, children)who were massacred by Israel’s brutal IDF which we have witnessed today & previous days from various news sources were Israeli civilian casualties,...WOULD OBAMA REMAIN SILENT?

WOULD HIS ZIONIST ADVISERS & AIPAC’S CONTROLLED MSM ALLOW HIM TO REMAIN SILENT WHEN IT COMES TO ISRAELI/JEWISH CIVILIAN CASUALTIES?

I just wonder what lies & zionist advice is Condi,  Hiliary, Rhambo & Axlerod are giving Obama.

From the way things look…it looks like they have muffled Obama’s mouth!

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By Fadel Abdallah, January 6, 2009 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

People with brains are invited to reflect on the following:

“They don’t repair a tire on the Sabbath, but starting a ground terrorist offensive and massacring children, women and men is no problem!”

Peace to warriors for peace!
No Peace for supports of Israeli terrorism!

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By Folktruther, January 6, 2009 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

Uri Averny is a sincere advocate for piece.  I don’t know about the others.  Peace Now is a fake peace group supported by Sepharad, one of the Ziofascists on TD.  Shift is right about most of the Jewish peace groups, such as Rabbi Learner.  He equates anti-zionism with anti-semitism.

Zionism from before the founding of Israel is based on ethnic cleansing. Whatever is said publically, the major parties in Israel, Likud, the Olmert-Livni offshoot, and Labor,led by Barak, have all been in favor of ethinic cleansing in Isreal, and establishing ‘facts on the ground.’ 

Israel’s historical positions, blowing up their homes, destroying their businesses, stealing their taxes and water, and shooting journalists who expose it, all are oriented to destroying the Palestinian people. 

They are treating them as the US treated the Indians two centuries ago, but in the modern world.  Just as Amereica was based on ethnic cleansing, the US power structure supports it in Israel.  To the enormous future suffering of both the American and Israeli people.  And the present torment of the Palestinian people.

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By nrobi, January 6, 2009 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

Sadly, the voices of the Far Right Wing Nuts, have been soundly for the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip.  How anyone can justify the killing of innocent and non-violent men, women and children is beyond the logical means that are at my disposal.  There seems to be a disconnect every time Israel is mentioned, America
turns a blind eye to the Palestinian cause and the innocent Palestinian people.
It was asserted in an article that there are only two democracies in the Middle East, I beg to differ, there are three, the legally and duly elected government of Palestine, is the Hamas led government.
You ask with incredulity? What are you saying?  Yes, the Hamas-led government is the freely elected government of Palestine. This happened because the United States and Israel, would not deal with the Palestinian Liberation Organization, yet when forced to, the people of Palestine, voted overwhelmingly to counter the corruption and dissolution of the PLO.
Why then did the US and Israel, refuse to deal with the legally elected, newly formed government of Palestine?  Because it was led by Hamas! By forcing the issue, America and Israel jumped out of the frying pan into the fire. Hamas had the legal right recognized by the International Community, to bargain
in good faith, with both the US and Israel, yet they both led Hamas on a merry wild goose chase. They have
not dealt with the Palestinian people in good faith.
Nothing since the illegal and immoral occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, was supposed to have stopped,
has been the truth. Since the withdrawal of the ground forces from the Gaza Strip, more and more settlers have entered Gaza, and the West Bank, has experienced pogroms against the Palestinian people, example, within the last 3 weeks, Israeli settlers, set fire to houses owned by Palestinians, and while the Palestinian families were leaving their homes, were shot dead in front of Israeli police and IDF.
Is this the cease-fire that was supposed to be taking place?  If so, words have become meaningless! For Israel has not dealt with equanimity with the Palestinians.
Were there to be a cease-fire tomorrow, I would as the leader of the Palestinian people, demand that the UN mandate troops with orders to shoot to kill anyone who breaks the cease-fire. Let’s just see who would be shot first, it would not be a Palestinian.

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By Howard, January 6, 2009 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

Hamas is at fault.  Instigated and instigated with rocket attacks for the last 6 months on civilians until Israel had to go after these bums hiding in schools and firing from schools as well as other hiding places with civilians around.

Where are the Americans screaming for Hamas to stop the rocket attacks and where were they for the last few weeks when bombardment grew in intensity?

Let’s have and hear some comdenation of those who caused all this terrible happening.

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By Shift, January 6, 2009 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

Where are the voices of American Jewish condemnation of the Gaza military action?  Where is the voice of the American Jewish organization that was set up to counter AIPAC?  Where are the marches in opposition? They are silent and non-existant!  One can not believe the Zionists either in America or Israel. It all appears to be public relations, empty rhetoric designed to temper criticism.  I will voice my opposition to Israel’s actions and I will not purchase any product or service from Israel or from the businesses of the American Zionists in AIPAC.  I will also actively oppose any candidate local or national that attempts to defend this Gaza invasion. I would urge Orthodox Jews in America to make your voices heard in opposition so that you can be distinguished from the zionists and neo-zionists.

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By Fadel Abdallah, January 6, 2009 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment

“...but the people of Gaza can’t wait until the inauguration. There must be a cease-fire now. And that’s just the beginning.”
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It’s only normal human beings that might say this!
However, sadly enough for the majority of the sick people of this sick world,the inauguration of the new emperor of the wicked empire is far more important than the the human tragedy in Gaza!

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