It was recently pointed out on Truthdig that Israel gutted UN resolution 242 by claiming that it did not have to withdraw from all occupied territories. The pertinent passage reads: “Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict”.
However, by referring to UN 242 Israel has accepted that the West Bank is an “occupied territory” hence is under protection of the 4th Geneva Convention. It is therefore abundantly clear that Israels leaders since 242 are all war criminals. Why are Olmert et al. not in Scheveningen?

Cyrena is not mistaken in observing that “Native Americans” have served as the crash-test-dummies for what is now being applied ruthlessly to all theamericanpeople, of whatever “ethnic” derivation,  together.  She needn’t “puke,” though, on-behalf of us surviving free wild Turtle Island Natives, who are living to see THE END of the five-hundred-year-long “western” movie the un-reeling of which is the constant sub-text for all the articles and comments here variously lamenting and decrying the obscene content of its foregone conclusion.

Us wild Indians are alright, and we’ll be happy to help any number of our tame Sisters and Brothers get that way, too.

Hokahey!

Answer:
As a concise answer to the rhetorical question, “Who believes there is progress in the Middle East?!” The answer for those who know history is that there will never be progress in the Middle East, because the very idea of creating this artificial entity called Israel was actually intended to halt progress from coming to the area by perpetuating conflict and bloodshed, the typical colonial mentality!

Diagnosis:
The fanatic Israeli Zionists suffer permanently from two deadly psychological disorders: One is related to the images and stories of the bloody Holocaust perpetrated against some of them by the Nazis, but always embellished to achieve maximum profit; the other is related to the images of the blood they keep shedding among the natives of Palestine! In light of this, their world view is colored by blood.

Prescription:
Fanatic bloody Zionists need help!
The point is that they are seriously sick and need to be saved from their bloody psychic. So it’s not save for them or to the world to live among normal people. For their own salvation, a huge psychiatric complex should be build for them, say in New York, where they might receive constant treatment! The healthy and sound Jews from all over the world, a there are good number of them, over should be employed to help their brethren!

Joanne,

Perfect corollary..

“The only thing the Palestinians have left is their pride.  Just as it took several hundred years to completely subdue the Native American people, the Palestinian resistance too will continue on.”

The Palestinian ‘resistance’ is their own right to self-determination, which the Jews seem to believe is their exclusive right, and not a Universal right.

Meantime, the tragedy is that the Native American people WERE subdued, and remain that way, as the most poverty stricken population in the nation. I wanna puke everything I think about it, which is often. Any careful study of the institution of racism in the US pretty much keeps this right in our faces, since there can be no denying that the country was founded on the backs of Natives and kidnapped Africans.

Jews are the chosen people. Allowing the worst of them to control the direction of their future, they are now the fallen people.

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Mill writes:

“..Mr. Fisk needs to take a chill pill.  The combatants will decide when peace breaks out among Jews and Muslims in the Israel/Palestine land.  Outsiders even one’s with middle names like Hussein - will be supporting cast always.  Mr. Obama’s comments will mean absolutely nothing, which is good at this point.  Mr. Fisk seems to desire otherwise, but why?”

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My sentiments EXACTLY mill.

Fiske has been needing a chill pill for a while. He just gets crazier and crazier over time. He used to do some decent work, even though I’ve never considered him an ultimate authority on the Israel-Palestine conflict. He’s documented (and fairly well)the crimes of Israel in the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, but to use him as only one source of information would result in very poor scholarship at this point. In fact, my primary academic advisory in Middle Eastern Studies and North African History told me to be ‘careful’ with Fiske as an academic source. It was a welcome ‘heads up’ because I later learned that most of what I wanted to use from his work could not be otherwise corroborated.

So, what DOES Mr. Fiske really ‘desire’ and what would he have Obama do on this day, or any other day between now and Jan 20th? Well, like most of the current Obama bashers, he doesn’t know, since he’s obviously disconnected from the reality of US politics and our bureaucratic apparatus. 

I suspect that it goes without saying that Obama’s very brief comment was *intentionally* brief and even I will admit -vague-. I suspect that to be very intentional as well. Obama’s official position to date has been that “Israel has the right to defend itself” and technically, they do. He KNOWS that Israel does NOT have the ‘right’ to persecute the Palestinians, but there’s little he can do about it, (not a single solitary other world leader or other political entity has done a damn thing, including the past 3 US administrations) until at least Jan 20th.

TBC

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Even then, my own suspicions suggest that he will rely heavily on the International Community to deal with Israel. At least that’s what I HOPE he will do, and he’s promised to clean up our act in terms of the current regimes DE-legitimization of the UN and the International Community. I don’t believe that Israel could have existed even this long, if the US hadn’t been consistently ‘protecting’ them on the world stage, by ignoring all of Israel’s UN violations.

Meantime, we SEE what happens to those who publicly criticize Israel. Had Obama gone that route, he not only wouldn’t be the President-elect, but he might have been cut down in the process of becoming such. Israel has a habit of assassinating those who speak out against their crimes.

However, as president, Obama really need not do much more than allow the rule of law to resume. He need do little more than the reverse of what previous administrations have done, which is to keep the US from bullying the remainder of the International Community with its constant interference at a disproportionate level. So I think we should be keeping an eyes on what Susan Rice, (his nomination for UN ambassador) is doing in her dealings with the rest of the UN on the issues in the Middle East.
Hilary Clinton is problematic in this respect, since she was ISRAEL’S choice for OUR President. (The arrogance in the mindset makes me crazy, but it’s not like Israel hasn’t been getting away with that for decades) Her interpretation of International Law is equally troubling, as was her husband’s when he chose to unilaterally attack in the Bosnia back during his Monica troubles, and the impeachment efforts that followed.  He was doing a ‘wag the dog’ routine in that episode, (because Slick Willy DOES know the laws) but she appears not to have a clue.

Still, at the end of the day, Barack Hussein Obama was elected by the AMERICAN people (NOT the Israelis or any other nation or population) with the hope that he could stop the free fall that is taking all of US down. In that respect, his views on the Israel-Palestine conflict are simply NOT important to the majority of Americans who voted for him. If that sounds callous, it probably is. But, it’s also the reality. The majority of voters didn’t hire Obama so he could make these atrocities in the Israel-Palestine conflict a priority, if only because the majority of Americans REMAIN unaware of the details of it, or the part that the US has played. I’m not suggesting that such ignorance is acceptable, because I would like US citizens to be more educated on this and much more, in terms of what our government is doing. But I AM suggesting that is the reality. We have HUGE problems of our own that need his immediate attention.

By Joanne Gullion, December 28 at 5:56 pm #
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This is not a war between two parties this is a murderous assault on a desperately poor, humiliated and oppressed people.  It is just the last in a series of bloody attacks, against a near defenseless people.
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Joanne,

I would call it a civil war, one that has been going on for sixty years. I see only two possible outcomes: war to extermination that will eventually involve the whole world, or reuniting into one country, a single, fully integrated multicultural democracy. I do not see any way to partition the land that will lead to peace. Since 1947 when the United Nations first granted the partition of the land, there has been civil war. We have spent sixty years digging ourselves into this hole, and we’re still digging, trying to find that elusive “two-state solution”. When will it dawn on everyone that partition is the problem, not the solution?

By mill, December 28 at 6:00 pm

Yeah, really. I don’t get it either. I guess Max is a psychic loose nuke.

So, Max S ... to help my cranial extraction, what is it that makes you say such a hostile personal thing?

Oh Little Town of Bethlehem ... Are you still there? Is there still some stubborn belief that Peace on Earth was born in you, that lovely night so many generations ago?

When did those who chose to teach the glorious birth as a great and glorious re-birth, decide the burning end was more important than the peaceful beginning?

I wonder, does man in his infinite stupidity think at the end of all their burning and bombing and killing, God will descend to save the bombers and burners and killers?

Or will God simply remember to look down one day and say, “Oh my look at this. I was all set to destroy this wicked world and now I need not bother. They have completely destroyed themselves.”

I daily see advertising on TV inviting me to vacation in beautiful Israel, and think ... no thanks. I’ll take my chances on beautiful collapsing America this year. At least here, we don’t drop bombs on the “poorer” neighborhood down the road. At least not near so often.

When someone blows up something here, they’re considered an anti-social criminal. When some nut commits a massacre here they’re considered some nut who committed a massacre.

Christmas In Gaza : No More Room In The Morgue.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21551.htm

This is the holy land…..

but no peace will never come to it, as long people feel justified to use violence against one another..

each outrage, each act of violence, produces yet another justification for more, and more…

in the end this cycle of self destruction can only have one possible outcome…

only then will there be peace, when there is no one left alive…

it is not possible to hurt others without hurting oneself, even victory is a spiritual defeat…

God I hate Tony Blair. He is a snake descended from a line of snakes going all the way back to Atlantis. He makes me want to puke. He’s going to be the president of Europe?

Dick and Mill,

Someone ought to drop a 1/2 megaton on your little neighborhoods. Maybe then you’ll get your head out of your respective asses.

When already grandiose delusions “go nuclear,” so-to-say, that “chain reaction” Oppenheimer feared would burn-up the atmosphere from Trinity Site actually does take place within the positive-feedback-loop of lunacy that passes for “statecraft” here at the end of days.  Those even moderately awake and alert might sensibly see in such phenomenally inadequate official responses as Robert Fisk catalogues here (and which are amply in-evidence virtually everywhere one looks in this virtual “world”) an admission, by those nominally “in-charge,” of their utter helplessness to address (to any mutually beneficial effect) even ONE among the perfect storm of “problems” overwhelming their world’s institutional and technological arrangments.

Here at the-hubs-of-hell, tame Sisters and Brothers, your “leaders,” however selected, are telling you as plainly as they dare:  YOU ARE ALL ON YOUR OWN!  IT’S EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF! and, THE DEVIL TAKE THE LOSERS!

Don’t believe that for a minute.  The domesticated peoples are in fact all stuck in this together, and can only extricate one another, if at all, TOGETHER.  Chances are it is the so-called “lower orders” who will see this long before their self-proclaimed “betters.”  When they finally do, this old Indian recommends not waiting-around for the high-and-mighty to figure it out.  Just go ahead and do what every fiber of your Human Being will be telling you to do.

Take The Good Red Road to the Tiyoshpaye Way.

HokaHey!

lesseeeee ....  Jews and Muslims in dispute over territory for more than a millenium

President Carter wins Nobel prize for getting Egypt and Israel to reduce animosity.  It doesn’t make Israel more secure, it turns out.

Mr. Obama isn’t even president yet.  But he should say _________ about what’s going on, because there’s been no progress lately, and his incredibly brief comment suggests there has been? 

Mr. Fisk needs to take a chill pill.  The combatants will decide when peace breaks out among Jews and Muslims in the Israel/Palestine land.  Outsiders even one’s with middle names like Hussein - will be supporting cast always.  Mr. Obama’s comments will mean absolutely nothing, which is good at this point.  Mr. Fisk seems to desire otherwise, but why?