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Israel’s ‘Crime Against Humanity’

Posted on Dec 15, 2008
AP photo / Hatem Moussa

A Palestinian worker sweeps out the empty storeroom of a U.N. food distribution center in Gaza City.

By Chris Hedges

  Israel’s siege of Gaza, largely unseen by the outside world because of Jerusalem’s refusal to allow humanitarian aid workers, reporters and photographers access to Gaza, rivals the most egregious crimes carried out at the height of apartheid by the South African regime. It comes close to the horrors visited on Sarajevo by the Bosnian Serbs. It has disturbing echoes of the Nazi ghettos of Lodz and Warsaw.

“This is a stain on what is left of Israeli morality,” I was told by Richard N. Veits, the former U.S. ambassador to Jordan who led a delegation from the U.S. Council for the National Interest Foundation to Gaza to meet Hamas leaders this past summer. “I am almost breathless discussing this subject. It is so myopic. Washington, of course, is a handmaiden to all this. The Israeli manipulation of a population in this manner is comparable to some of the crimes that took place against civilian populations fifty years ago.”

The U.N. special rapporteur for human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory, former Princeton University law professor Richard Falk, calls what Israel is doing to the 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza “a crime against humanity.” Falk, who is Jewish, has condemned the collective punishment of the Palestinians in Gaza as “a flagrant and massive violation of international humanitarian law as laid down in Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.” He has asked for “the International Criminal Court to investigate the situation, and determine whether the Israeli civilian leaders and military commanders responsible for the Gaza siege should be indicted and prosecuted for violations of international criminal law.”

Falk, while condemning the rocket attacks by the militant group Hamas, which he points out are also criminal violations of international law, goes on to say that “such Palestinian behavior does not legalize Israel’s imposition of a collective punishment of a life- and health-threatening character on the people of Gaza, and should not distract the U.N. or international society from discharging their fundamental moral and legal duty to render protection to the Palestinian people.”

“It is an unfolding humanitarian catastrophe that each day poses the entire 1.5 million Gazans to an unspeakable ordeal, to a struggle to survive in terms of their health,” Falk said when I reached him by phone in California shortly before he left for Israel. “This is an increasingly precarious condition. A recent study reports that 46 percent of all Gazan children suffer from acute anemia. There are reports that the sonic booms associated with Israeli overflights have caused widespread deafness, especially among children. Gazan children need thousands of hearing aids. Malnutrition is extremely high in a number of different dimensions and affects 75 percent of Gazans. There are widespread mental disorders, especially among young people without the will to live. Over 50 percent of Gazan children under the age of 12 have been found to have no will to live.”

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Gaza now spends 12 hours a day without power, which can be a death sentence to the severely ill in hospitals. There are few drugs and little medicine, including no cancer or cystic fibrosis medication. Hospitals have generators but often lack fuel. Medical equipment, including one of Gaza’s three CT scanners, has been destroyed by power surges and fluctuations. Medical staff cannot control the temperature of incubators for newborns. And Israel has revoked most exit visas, meaning some of those who need specialized care, including cancer patients and those in need of kidney dialysis, have died. Of the 230 Gazans estimated to have died last year because they were denied proper medical care, several spent their final hours at Israeli crossing points where they were refused entry into Israel. The statistics gathered on children—half of Gaza’s population is under the age of 17—are increasingly grim. About 45 percent of children in Gaza have iron deficiency from a lack of fruit and vegetables, and 18 percent have stunted growth.

“It is macabre,” Falk said. “I don’t know of anything that exactly fits this situation. People have been referring to the Warsaw ghetto as the nearest analog in modern times.”

“There is no structure of an occupation that endured for decades and involved this kind of oppressive circumstances,” the rapporteur added. “The magnitude, the deliberateness, the violations of international humanitarian law, the impact on the health, lives and survival and the overall conditions warrant the characterization of a crime against humanity. This occupation is the direct intention by the Israeli military and civilian authorities. They are responsible and should be held accountable.”

The point of this Israeli siege, ostensibly, is to break Hamas, the radical Islamic group that was elected to power in 2007. But Hamas has repeatedly proposed long-term truces with Israel and offered to negotiate a permanent truce. During the last cease-fire, established through Egyptian intermediaries in July, Hamas upheld the truce although Israel refused to ease the blockade. It was Israel that, on Nov. 4, initiated an armed attack that violated the truce and killed six Palestinians. It was only then that Hamas resumed firing rockets at Israel. Palestinians have launched more than 200 rockets on Israel since the latest round of violence began. There have been no Israeli casualties.


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By apost88, July 6, 2010 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment
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Reply to Howard who stated: “According to industry officials Israel designed the airline’s most impenetrable flight security.”

It must be noted that one company had automatic inside access to all of the airports from which hijacked planes departed on 9-11…Odigo - an Israeli company.  One that Mossad agents could easily find employment without the management knowing who they were or what their purpose really was. But one thing is clear. By virtue of the Odigo warning, someone knew enough about the planned attacks to warn Odigo before the planes had even departed the airport gates, yet they did not call the Israeli security company at the aiports which could have stopped the flights from leaving.Think about that one for a while.

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By ahmed syed271290, May 17, 2010 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

to, all d howard’s,sharon13’s..nd other israeli crimes’supporters b4 writin anything let me ask u sumthng,..if u ver leadin ur life happily n sum1 u dont knw at all comes from europe nd u r askd 2 vacate ur own home in ur own land..nd ur mother or father or a relativ who’s nt cooperating is brutally beaten or killed.. wat wud u do.. sit in a refugee camp nd weep whole life or tak revenge..ppl fightin for ther own state der own land lik bhagat singh, nelson mandela r not called terrorists they r called freedom fighters..ppl enjoyin on American money donjt dare call d Palestinians, hamas or any 1 a terrorist..as they r fightin 4 ther land.. jus hav alook at the refugee camps wher parents r in constant fear of loosin ther children..nd children dont knw whether they vil b alive tomorrow..

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By syedahmed271290, May 17, 2010 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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howard’s ,sharon13’s nd rest israeli crimes’ supporters..b4 writin sum thg i wud like 2 ask u few ques.. do u ppl knw history…if sum ppl, drag u out off ur very home in ur own country..nd ur mother or ur father or a relativ not cooperatin is brutally beaten or killed by armed soldiers what wud u do..sit in a refugee camp nd weep whole life..or want to tak revenge..ppl who fight 4 der land lik bhagat singh , nelson mandela,r nt called terrorists they r called freedom fighters these palestinians fightin 4 der land b it comon man or a hamas fighter..do u hav ne idea hw life is in refugee camps no water,food,shelter…u hav to live it to know it..dont just put ur fingers on d keyboard without knowin d truth..

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By ahmed, May 17, 2010 at 11:17 am Link to this comment
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hi,to all friends includin d howard’s,sharon13’s,steven’s…nd al lik minded ppl i wud lik 2 ask u 1 questn if u ver dragged off ur house in ur own country nd ur father or mother refusing to cooperate is killed wat wud u do… go to a refugee camp nd live or fight these.. palestinians hav been dragged of ther own land by ppl who came from europe nd bhavd as if it was there land… my dear israeli suppportrs do u hav any knowledge about history..israel is nthg but the occupied land of palestine.. if sum1 fights for his country wat do u call him.. a terrorist or a freedom fighter…bhagat singh,mahatma gandhi,george washington ..nelson mandela..ver freedom fighters nt terrorists..nd if al muslim countries r tryin 2 remove israel(wich shud’nt hav been in d first place) u shud knw that israel is havin d largest nuke stuff in that region.. ppl livin on american money ..dont forget ur status nd never compare palestinians hamas or any one with terrorists..

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By ashely, March 2, 2010 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

I think it’s only fair to llisten to someone who’s informed on the topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo&feature=player_embedded

Hedges is a “crime against journalism”.

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By Steven, January 31, 2009 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment
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I am amazed at how the terrorist group Hamas has managed to manipulate everyone’s view about the Israeli and Hamas conflict. I guess if I used civilian homes to launch attacks against a sovereign state and only showed the horrible collateral damage that I brought on my people, I too would have the world on my side.

People must realize that Israel is surrounded by states that want to wipe it off the face of the earth. Israel and the people who live there want nothing but peace. What is Israel supposed to do when you have terrorist that hide behind innocent civilians and use them as shields?

No one talks about Hamas and Hezbollah’s violations of the peace treaties. It was Hezbollah who unprovoked shot rockets into Israel and attacked Israeli forces while they patrolled Israel’s side of the boarder. They also kidnapped an Israeli solider for no reason. This act also contributed to the start of the Lebanon War in 2006.

I also found it interesting that when Hamas and Hezbollah were fighting between themselves for control after Israel left, one member of the two factions tried to become a suicide bomber in Israel. He said he wanted to attack Israel to get them to respond so that Hamas and Hezbollah would unite and fight against Israel again. This is an example of the type of thinking that permeates throughout the mindset of these two groups.

I agree that the plight of the Palestinian people is horrible however; they should tell Hamas and Hezbollah to stop attacking Israel. Hamas in particular fired rockets into Israel because they saw that peace was making progress and that their power over the people of Gaza was starting to fall apart. In interviews, some of the people in Gaza said that there was no reason for Hamas to continue what they were doing anymore. Israel had pulled out and took down a border crossing.

I agree that in the end, Israel must recognize a Palestinian state however, how can you negotiate with people who want to destroy you. Israel has said that if the attacks stop, with time they will pull out and then start the processes of taking down the boarder crossings. The only thing that hinders this process is the consistent attacks form Hamas. When some one attacks you, you will do what you can to defend yourself. Israel is defending itself form the extremist that have taken control of these two political parties. These extremists have only two goals in mind. One is to gain power and the other is to destroy Israel and replace it with their own state.

I encourage people of all faiths to help the Palestinians get people who truly want peace into the leadership positions of Hamas and Hezbollah. When that happens and the Palestinian people recognize Israel’s right to exist. You will see that Israel will have no reason to defend itself and the processes of a peaceful coexistence between a Palestinian state and an Israeli state will be started.

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By Apost88, January 19, 2009 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment
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It is a mistake….? The deliberate shelling of innocents at the UN Building, Jenin, Sabra & Chatilla camps, Lebanon - all mistakes? Where are the Nuremberg Trial examples when we need it. An Israeli Rabbi stated recently that the Israeli military should scorch-earth the entire Gaza. Where is the morality from a religious figure? I blame our country for most of the ills in this world. Following the invasion by the Nazionist into Gaza we immediately supplied those killers with new weaponry - including phosphorus missilles fuel for the bombers and cluster bombs.

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By KDelphi, January 18, 2009 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

sharon13—I’m sorry, but, you do not “feel their pain” anymore than the politicians in DC feel the pain of the noveau poor.

The fact that you let some girls in to be treated, after you HURT them, is not impressive.

Like so many other USAns, you just dont have a clue as to how others see this.

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By diamond, January 18, 2009 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

Sharon13 I don’t know if you’re intellectually challenged or if you’re devious but no one believes that Israel is the ‘victim’ of the Palestinians. How can they after watching the barbarity of what the IDF has done in Gaza and the powerlessness of the Palestinians as symbolized by the inaccurate rockets they continue to fire. After what the IDF did in Lebanon there was unease. The cluster bombs, the white phosophous and some other strange new weapon no one had ever seen before left people confused. The Israelis were behaving like the Nazis and it was profoundly disturbing for people who had always seen the Israelis as the good guys, as democratic and yes, as victims. What you’ve done in Gaza has removed all doubt. The sheer cynicism of calling for a ‘truce’ so that Obama can have his inauguration is typical. The IDF is still in Gaza and after the inauguration the ‘work’ of wiping out as many Palestinians as possible will continue. Poor old Howard asks ‘Who is to blame for this unhappiness’? Easy question to answer: America -because America has failed to show leadership and has failed again and again to understand that Israel is a fascist state, a police state, a military state and they can’t be negotiated with. The Palestinians know that from long years of bitter experience. Milosovich behaved the same way. He signed agreement after agreement and then the Serbian army moved into another town and started the killing, the rape, the infanticide. Hamas is the elected government of both Gaza and the West Bank and you don’t ‘own’ the Palestinians. They are not your slaves and you don’t have the right to kill them and their children because you don’t like how they voted. This is what Robert Mugabe did in Zimbabwe and he was condemned all over the world for it. Israel can no longer be allowed to operate in a special little Israelworld where the normal rules of civilized interaction don’t count because if Israel is not forced to recognize the Palestinians right to exist and to have their own state it will lead to disaster both for Israel and the west. Israel could have chosen another path but it has chosen the path of torture, murder,infanticide,false imprisonment and denial of basic human rights, such as the right to adequate food, medical supplies, shelter and a functioning economy, all the while claiming that ‘we have no choice’. Bullshit. You have a choice: behave like civilized people or behave like brutes and if you continue to behave like brutes the international community will not support you and you’ll soon be too expensive a date for America too and when the gravy train stops running to Israel then you really will have no choice but to do what you should have done decades ago. Admit you’ve wronged the Palestinians from the start and give them their state. Is that too much to ask?  The alternative is bigger and better rockets landing on your towns because I can assure you Palestinians will not just lie down and die or vanish into thin air or become step’nfetchits saying yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir. That’s a fantasy but it’s rapidly becoming a nightmare for the whole world.

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By sharon13, January 18, 2009 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

I really feel sorry for these poor people in Gaza, I don’t think they deserve it, but Hammas is using them as a human shield so they get in the middle. all we want is Hammas terrorists dead, and Hammas takes advantage of them and hides in civilians houses, knowing we wont hurt them. so we bomb, there’s no other way to fight them.
by the way, I don’t know if you heard, we let some Arab wounded girls into Israel to get treatment in our hospital.

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By KDelphi, January 14, 2009 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

I was not standing up for Hamas—just the Palistinaian people, who do not deserve this. We already tried “peace through bombing”. This is politically opportunistic, and, should stop.

Both sides are wrong. Israel is doing much more damage, and, should not use excuses.

I do not understand how , so many liberal Jews, can think that this is ok—-not, think that OUR response to 9/11 was ok…

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By sharon13, January 13, 2009 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi -People don’t see the other side- us, people are influenced by the media which shows their side all the time, so without trying to understand, its easy to say “those Israelis, bomb without stopping, its wrong”. (and I say Israelis and not jews, there are jews all over the world who have nothing to do with it). So its easy to see (or show) just one side as the media does.
Isreal is shown to the rest of the world as an “aggressor”, because this is easier for the media to show. Did your reports ever go to a house in Shderot? Or maybe in Netivot? All they want is to go to Gaza and show the suffer (and there is, I agree, more suffer there than at our side) but I don’t remember them ever interviewing children who remained orphan because of a suicide bomber or a woman losing her son because a missile hit their kindergarten. And it happened.

Please watch this and you’ll see what I’m talking about when I say the Hamas understands bombing only. This was said by an Arab woman!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciOGS6r97oE

And its true, as a prove, look what happened in 9\11.

This invasion wont give peace but it will give us some quiet when Hammas sees we wont shut up anymore and let then bombs us quietly.

And don’t be so naïve- wars will never stop. Unfortunately, people don’t always agree, some disagree by legislation and some think power will solve everything, and don’t be wrong- I already said we tried to negotiate, they only shoot. So, responding to your comment, this way didn’t work out.

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By KDelphi, January 10, 2009 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

sharon13—That is a good question, but, you must stop and wonder WHY it seems that so many people hate you! I think that the US must do the same, as in regards to itself…it is NOT the same thing as occurred in Europe in WW II….

An entire group of people dont just “wake up and decide to hate”.There are no “genetic terrorists” (althought that is a useless term)

Do you honestly believe that what the IDF is doing now, will not just increase the hatred of the Jewish community around the world, as the uS invasion of Iraq has done “for us”? ( i know that it is not precisely equivalent, but, the reaction from the Middle East is likely to be much the same)

Further, I do not like being a party to it, and,US tax money is going to support all this. It is illegal, and, it is all about money.

Didnt you think it was odd when Dubya invaded a country to “bring peace”? Well, that is how Jews sound when they “bomb for peace”.

There have been several resolutions (that they—France, Egypt- tried to) bring before the uN now. If the uS would stop blocking them, (like we did in Lebanon), there would be a chance to talk, to make an attempt at peace.

You are destroying the “land”, yourselves as a people, and, by way of complicity, the uS.

Isnt there a question, in your community, as to how this is taking advantage, of our situation right now? You have elections, we have just had elections, etc.

Why do you suppose that they decided that now was the time to “bomb for peace”, when they have been blockading Gaza, for 6 mos?

I am not saying taht “one party can fight a war”. But, who the aggressor is here, seems to be pretty clear to the rest of the world. The worst part for me, is that, we are paying for it. Gawd, dont we have enough trouble in the ME?!

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By sharon13, January 10, 2009 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

KDelphi- we tried to negotiate- they responded by shooting at us. We gave up Gaza- they used the land and sent suicide bombers deeper to Israel. We warned them- they shot missiles at us.
Everything we tried- they won’t stop until wer’e dead.

And I don’t want to die. And of course I don’t have anywhere else to live in.

And I’m sure if someone tried to kill you because they don’t want you on “their” land, you would react. Because it’s your home and your right to live here for more than 60 years. That’s what we’re doing.

I really feel sorry for those poor people of Gaza who don’t have anything to do with this war, and, believe me I would really want this war to stop. Really. I don’t want my soldier friends to risk their lives, nor people of the south. And no one would fight just for losing lives.

So, all we want is peace. We can’t just shut up when they don’t stop shooting.
you can read more about it on the link:
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dgpc4hc9_99qwsq9csd

Regarding the numbers, I just wanted to show you we have losts too, and we’re not just acting with caprice. We suffer too. Our target is not to destroy (it seems their target) but to live peacefully in our land. 

I don’t know what would god agree to, but I have a question- if we were being transferred, where could we leave? Apparently, big part of the world hates us, we have nowhere else to live peacfuly, and, I will never leave my country after so many people died for me to live here.

sharona

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By KDelphi, January 9, 2009 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

sharon13—Hadnt you heard? IDF is rescinding that notion(that there was Hamas or bombs in the UN school) they have troops o the ground. What the hell are they there for? go in a look—cowards.

Seven SOLDIERS?! Versus almost 700 civilians?! Are you crazy?!

I am extremely sorry and concerned that people being killed is disprupting your univeristy studies!! Why not just use MORE US bombs and bomber planes, and just destroy the entire area, all at once.

I am tired of being party to war crimes! Yes, I know that Iraq is a war crime! I would like to stop that , too.

If I had my choice, EVERYONE would get of of this “land”, and I would NUKE it! It is NOT worth this! Better to destroy the land than all of its people. Dont you think god would agree?

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By sharon13, January 9, 2009 at 4:27 am Link to this comment

to KDelphi-

What the Hammas is doing its simple- they know we are humanitarian army so they’re hiding in those schools. We always notify before bombing so we give chance for the civilians to leave these building. These buildings hide rockets, missiles and explosive material for using against our army and civilians.
Sending in troops to look for bombs is exactly what we did because we didn’t want innocent people to get killed. So our soldiers die instead. More than 7 soldiers died in the last couple of days because we don’t want to bomb anymore by plains, killing innocent people. 

We are not looking for excuses. All we want is peace and quiet so I can go to the university and keep studying knowing I don’t have to run and look for shelter or be afraid my house will explode. 

some pics to show you we’re not only attack, we are being attacked:
http://www.shalomdc.org/display_image.aspx?ID=98456

educating children for fighting:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7280/screenshot0409ys.png

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By KDelphi, January 8, 2009 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

sharon13—If the IDF is trying to avoid civilizan casualties, why did they bomb a UN School, where civilians (mostly kids) were hiding, instead of sending in troops to “look for bombs”? Because the Israeli Imperialiast Rulers to not give as rat’s ass. They are doing Israel NO FAVORS! Unless you enjoy beiong miserable and having everyone hate you—and btw, welcome to the club! We can go to hell together, the uS and Israel!

How could we possibley MISS the “other side”!! All you hear on US media is “pro-Israel”! It is due to the actions of Israel’s leaders, that Israel is losing support in the world, yes, even the uS, now. People are sick of participating in war crimes. But, not enough to stop the “war” in Iraq, I guess…

Israel always has an excuse. The disproportionate number of casualties tells the truth.

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By sharon13, January 8, 2009 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

First, DON’T YOU EVER COMPARE THIS SITUATION TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS Hammas is a small army which bombs us for years, unlike when the Jews had nothing, and did nothing to the Germans. We are not bombing because we hate their nation and we don’t abuse them by burning then in ovens or doing horrible experiments as the Germans did on jews during world war II. We’re not taking their children to slave camps, let me show you the truth- The IDF tries not to kill innocent civilians, and for proof, IDF sends messages to people of Gaza in time for them to leave their home before bombing so they won’t be killed. All we want is to destroy devices and buildings -Schools and hospitals hide terrorists and weapon which they use for bombing Israeli targets. Isn’t it the goal of the war?

we only respond for the missiles Hamas threw on us. We are trying our best not to hurt innocent citizens as Hamas tries to destroy and kill wahtever the missile hits.
we give humanitarian help to Gaza for years. Israel gives money for the sake of civilians, and still provides water and electricity although Hammas throw missiles at us. Hammas took all the money we provide and bought weapon instead of buying food for the starving.

As for the sick people in Gaza, we have some experience with sick civilians who needed urgent treatment, and apparently carried explosion devices to kill Israelis. 

12 DEAD ISRAELI PEOPLE are not Israeli casualties as it said in the article. Interesting.

And don’t be so delicate.The so called “dozens of tunnels, the principal means for food and goods, connecting Gaza to Egypt”, include hundreds of bombs and sophisticated devices to kill Israeli soldiers.
“The use of terror and hunger to break a hostile population is one of the oldest forms of warfare”. This is why Hammas is using it on Gaza civilians.

We tried everything to make peace. We got out of Gaza (fought our own people), we tried to make truce, but Hammas violated it. The conclusion - there’s no one to talk to. We don’t have any other choise.
 
Israel found more than 100 terrorists among civilians who tried to enter Israel land and kill people, Hamas started this war and they did it to themselves.
I don’t justify the dead civilians in Gaza. But a war is a war and you, Americans, know best as you send soldiers to fight in Iraq. 

We’re choosing the time to repay for all the fear and destroy Hamas did in the south of Israel- Sderot especially. 8 long years there’s no chance for them to have a regular life, as people have to run for shelter in 15 seconds and watch their home being destroyed. All that for as long as 8 years. Not a few weeks. We can’t sit back and watch it anymore, In Sderot children can’t go to schools and are afraid to go out and play or go
To work.

And, of course I didn’t talk about Gilad Shalit, our soldier who is still in captivity for over two years.

So, before you feel sorry for the Palestinians, look at the other side too.

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By sharon, January 8, 2009 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment
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first, DON’T YOU EVER COMPARE THIS SITUATION TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS. Hammas is a small army which bombs us for years, unlike when the Jews had nothing, and did nothing to the Germans. We are not bombing because we hate their nation and we don’t abuse them by burning then in ovens or doing horrible experiments as the Germans did on jews during world war II. We’re not taking their children to slave camps, let me show you the truth- The IDF tries not to kill innocent civilians, and for proof, IDF sends messages to people of Gaza in time for them to leave their home before bombing so they won’t be killed. All we want is to destroy devices and buildings -Schools and hospitals hide terrorists and weapon which they use for bombing Israeli targets. Isn’t it the goal of the war?

we only respond for the missiles Hamas threw on us. We are trying our best not to hurt innocent citizens as Hamas tries to destroy and kill wahtever the missile hits.
we give humanitarian help to Gaza for years. Israel gives money for the sake of civilians, and still provides water and electricity although Hammas throw missiles at us. Hammas took all the money we provide and bought weapon instead of buying food for the starving.

As for the sick people in Gaza, we have some experience with sick civilians who needed urgent treatment, and apparently carried explosion devices to kill Israelis. 

12 DEAD ISRAELI PEOPLE are not Israeli casualties as it said in the article. Interesting.

And don’t be so delicate.The so called “dozens of tunnels, the principal means for food and goods, connecting Gaza to Egypt”, include hundreds of bombs and sophisticated devices to kill Israeli soldiers.
“The use of terror and hunger to break a hostile population is one of the oldest forms of warfare”. This is why Hammas is using it on Gaza civilians.

We tried everything to make peace. We got out of Gaza (fought our own people), we tried to make truce, but Hammas violated it. The conclusion - there’s no one to talk to. We don’t have any other choise.
 
Israel found more than 100 terrorists among civilians who tried to enter Israel land and kill people, Hamas started this war and they did it to themselves.

I don’t justify the dead civilians in Gaza. But a war is a war and you, Americans, know best as you send soldiers to fight in Iraq. 

We’re choosing the time to repay for all the fear and destroy Hamas did in the south of Israel- Sderot especially. 8 long years there’s no chance for them to have a regular life, as people have to run for shelter in 15 seconds and watch their home being destroyed. All that for as long as 8 years. Not a few weeks. We can’t sit back and watch it anymore, In Sderot children can’t go to schools and are afraid to go out and play or go
To work.

And, of course I didn’t talk about Gilad Shalit, our soldier who is still in captivity for over two years.

So, before you feel sorry for the Palestinians, look at the other side too.

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By APOST4, January 5, 2009 at 10:50 am Link to this comment
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The Nazionists are locked in a deadly combat with the Hamas, who were elected through a democratic election. They are deliberately inflicting on a group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part - Genocide. According to several former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970’s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years. The Nazionists aided Hamas directly wanting to use it as a counter balance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization), said a former analyst for the Center for Strategic studies. The support “was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong and secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative,” said a former senior CIA official. Now the Nazionist, with our assistance and the use of attack helicopters, tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery, are hell-bent on ridding the Gaza of a million and a half inhabitants. But, by doing so, the Nazionists are like a guy who sets his hair on fire and then tries to put it out by hitting his scalp with a hammer. The occupiers should realize it’s difficult to break the will of a populace whose only mission is to regain the land of their descendants. The entire world is expressing their disdain over the carnage and genocide that is being played out during this latest vicious attack on the Palestinian civilians that include numerous women and children. In spite of the cry for a cease fire the Nazionists, and with the U.S. support, are turning a deaf ear to their pleas.

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By ramsayprior, January 4, 2009 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment
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The problem for Israel is that they persist in the idea of victory, hegemony, over the Palestinians. That the Palestinians status and situation can be settled without reference to them or their views. And most importantly, without admitting their valid grievance or offering justice for it.
On the other hand,the blowback from the 60 years of injustice and cruelty has fed the rise of a medieval obscurantist faction in Islam throughout the world, whose aims bind them to war against all of the rest of us. It’s unlikely this war would end even with justice for Palestine.They threaten all of the countries of the Middle East and beyond.
Who can see a happy ending to this?
Heaven help all of us.

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By idiohunte, December 22, 2008 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment
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dont trust truedigger3.
he is just a pallywood-soldier.
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““fabricated picture and a damn lie”“
any arguments?
any sources?
anything but hot air?
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NO
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the picture is one of a series of pictures -published by arabs in gaza themselves- showing the sister-in-law of the former british premier in gaza.
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http://tinyurl.com/7e4gnx
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take a look and dont waste your time at propaganda-soldiers like “truedigger3”
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By truedigger3, December 22, 2008 at 8:45 am Link to this comment

I do not care who took that picture. That picture
is still a fabricated picture and a damn lie.
You are telling me that the stores in Gaza is
overstocke and everything is fine and dandy??!!
Again what a damn lie. People are suffering there.
The Israelis themselves said they will keep tightening the screw until the people of Ghaza go down on their knees.  This is a collective punishment and is against
international law and the Geneva convention.
Why Israel is barring visitors from entering Gaza??!

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By idiohunte, December 21, 2008 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment
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the picture was taken by mahmud hams, a “palaestinian” photographer.
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to say it was “manufactured” just shows the way people like you work.
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By truedigger3, December 21, 2008 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

To idiohunte,

What a fabricated picture and a damn lie.
You said it right:“no food, no electricity, no computers, no handys, no truth”.
What you said describe the reality of the situation
in Gaza and not this manufactured picture.

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By idiohunte, December 20, 2008 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment
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http://tinyurl.com/7e4gnx
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no food, no electricity, no computers, no handys, no truth
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By Folktruther, December 20, 2008 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

You are a marvel, Robert.  You mkght collect your pieces into a book that someone like Common Courage Press would publish.  One of the main guys their is a named Bates, and he is a friend of Lindorff, the Counterpuncher columnist.

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By Robert, December 19, 2008 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

For every Madoff, there’s a voice of humanity

Message from Nurit Peled-Elhanan, Sakharov Prize 2001,
shared with Izzat Ghazzawi
to Mr Hans Gert Pöttering, President of the European Parliament;
Luisa Morgantini, Vice President of the European Parliament;
and the Sakharov Prize winners
on the occasion of the
20th Anniversary of the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought

12.15.2008 | http://sakharovnetwork.rsfblog.org
By Nurit Peled-Elhanan

Dear President,
Dear Vice President,
Dear Sakharov Prize winners,

“I apologize for not being able to attend such an important event.

These words are dedicated to the heroes of Gaza, the mothers and fathers and children, the teachers and doctors and nurses who are proving every day and every hour that no fortified wall can imprison the free spirit of humanity and no form of violence can subdue life.

The pogrom being carried out by the thugs of the Occupation army against the residents of the Gaza Strip is known to everyone and yet the world is impotent as always. I call upon all of us, who have won a privilege as well as duty by receiving the Sakharov prize, to arise and go to Gaza and any other city of oppression and slaughter; to defy all blockades and high walls and not to give up until all barriers are broken.

When Jewish poet Bialik wrote after the Pogrom against the Jews in Kishiniev,

“Satan has not yet created Vengeance for the blood of a small child,” It did not occur to him that the child would be a Palestinian child from Gaza and his slaughterers would be Jewish soldiers. And when he wrote:

Let the blood pierce
through the abyss! Let the blood seep
down into the depths of darkness, and
eat away there, in the dark, and breach
all the rotting foundations of the earth.

He did not imagine that those foundations would be the foundations of the state of Israel. That the Jewish and Democratic State of Israel would demagogically use the expression “blood on his hands” to justify its refusal to release freedom fighters, children and peace leaders from the worst of prisons, while immersing all of us in the blood of innocent babes up to our necks, up to our nostrils, so that every breath we take sends red bubbles of blood into the air of the Holy Land.

But the siege of Gaza is only one of many sieges imposed today in the world by democratic powers as well as by non-democratic ones. All those sieges are meant for one purpose: to silence the voice of freedom and justice.

My co-laureate of the Sakharov Prize, Prof. Izzat Gazzawi, who died of humiliation less than two years after receiving this prestigious award, wrote to me just before his heart surrendered, that he believed the Israeli soldiers who came to his house every night to break furniture and frighten the children wanted to silence his voice. I have vowed then as I believe we all should vow every day, to do everything within our power so that his and other such brave voices will not be silenced.

Today, when the most enlightened civilizations commit the most heinous crimes against innocent defenseless people out of greed, megalomania and pure racism we should listen once more to Bialik’s cry from a hundred years ago:

“And I, my heart is dead, no longer is there prayer
on my lips;
All strength is gone, and
hope is no more.
Until when,
How much longer,
Until when?”

And then follow the example of people like Hu Jia, today’s laureate of the Sakharov prize who is held in prison for dedicating every moment of his life to end the miseries of the family of man.

With my best regards,

Nurit Peled-Elhanan

15.12 2008

* The poems “City of Slaughter” and “On Slaughter” were written by the Jewish poet Haim Nahman Bialik in tribute to the victims of the Kishinev Pogrom in 1903, Russia - trans.”

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=2230

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By KDelphi, December 19, 2008 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

Unfortunately,I do not think that it is “amazing” that rich people invested in almost ANYTHING a guy like Madoff, “made up”. They might even, some of them, have known that it was bullshit. They know that they will get their money back.

And they will. Off the backs of working people and the poor.

Watch ‘em…(well, maybe not the charities)

The people you speak of, Robert, always get bailed out. They dont care if it is a pyramid scheme or not. Besides, the “free market” is all about “good attitude” and “coinfidence”, no? Keep pretending youre rich—they will give you more money. If they think you are poor, they will fine you, charge you higher interest rate, etc.

So pay up!! lol….

BTW—I am thinking on the post about Fitzgerlad being Obama’s “ally”—where are the people that kept saying that Fitzgerald was “trying to stop the Obama revolution”?

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By Robert, December 19, 2008 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Wall Street insiders had shunned Madoff for years

Regulators investigated widespread suspicions and exposed lies but failed to act

By Stephen Foley in New York
Friday, 19 December 2008

“Numerous investors and banks across Wall Street refused to deal with Bernard Madoff for several years before his ultimate arrest on fraud charges, amid widespread rumours of suspect activity at his broking and fund management business, it is becoming clear.

And in an explosive new revelation, Wall Street’s chief regulator, the Securities and Exchange Commission, actually investigated the rumours and discovered that Mr Madoff had lied to its officials – but gave him no more than a private rap on the knuckles.

As more investors in Europe and the US came forward yesterday to admit losses in the finance industry’s biggest-ever fraud, investigators are hearing numerous tales from market participants who had long believed that Mr Madoff’s impressive track record was being faked.

Astonishingly, many of these participants invested with Mr Madoff.

According to documents sent to the SEC in 2005 by Harry Markopolos, the Boston accountant who first raised red flags about Mr Madoff in 1999 and finally got the regulator to launch an investigation more than six years later, several hedge fund managers who were funnelling money into Madoff Investment Securities said they thought the Wall Street veteran was “subsidising” investment returns in down months and “eating the losses” to make his results seem smoother and less risky.

Mr Madoff was arrested last Thursday after confessing to two sons who worked in the broker-dealer arm of the family business that his investment management returns were “all just one big lie”, saying his fraud could have cost investors $50bn. That would make it the biggest-ever so-called Ponzi scheme. In such a fraud, a money manager simply pays existing clients with money coming in from new ones.

A Wall Street veteran for almost 50 years, and a founder and former chairman of the Nasdaq stock exchange, Mr Madoff was widely respected. But there were many who were suspicious of the secrecy with which he guarded his investment technique. The system he said he used, buying shares and trading options, could not mathematically have produced the returns he claimed, many people thought.

According to one widespread rumour, he was using insider trading at his broker-dealer business to juice returns. The SEC investigated that rumour, among others, in 2005, in an inquiry that took in concerns that Mr Madoff operated as a “white label” hedge fund, running money on behalf of other funds without that fact being disclosed to their investors.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wall-street-insiders-had-shunned-madoff-for-years-1203850.html

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By Robert, December 19, 2008 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

Madoff Moved the Money to Israel?

Mark Graffis

Dec. 16, 2008

As more info comes in regarding the Madoff scheme, news from several sources

say that Madoff and his clients were the largest bank account holders listed

on a computer disk leaked by a Swiss bank worker regarding US persons with

hidden Swiss bank accounts.

As the IRS approached him regarding the repayment of taxes from his hidden

swiss account, Madoff reportedly became adamant that his wealth would not be

taxed by the US. He also realized that once the swiss records were exposed

that his and his client’s wealth were also within reach of seizure or

judgement by a US court regarding past frauds of him or his clients.

Realizing that he was be certain to be arrested on other securities and market

making fraud issues in the near future, insiders say that it was at this point

he made the decision to just say it was all lost in trading and move it

directly to Israel. Insiders also report that he was ready to pay the taxes on

the money in Israel but was adamant that taxes in the US would not be paid nor

would any of the money be available for US court judgements in subprime,

fraudlent trading and misrepresentation charges in the future.

Sources say that most of his and his clients wealth were gained through

issuing subprime mortgages to unqualified borrowers and then tranching the

mortgages into CDOs and circulating the CDOs among US pension funds including

GM, GE, IBM and Califorina’s State pension fund. Some of the wealth was also

gotten through investments in Vegas housing sub divisions and Miami condo

projects at the height of the real estate bubble.

Finally, sources say that the wealth from Madoff’s has been fully transferred

to Israel and that “most if not all of the clients have been made aware” that

their money is available to them in Israel and that it was felt that this was

a necessary measure in protecting certain high level clients in the face of a

collapse of the USA.

A European bank executive has said early this morning that the Banks involved

in Madeoff’s fund were exposed through loads and leveraging and that these

loans will be repaid in full from Israel.

All of the charities involved have Israeli offices, so they also are of an

understanding that their money is now available there.

Sources say that Madeoff has a base in Israel and that he will offer all

clients his services there as a continuem to his services in New York.

Speculation has it that he is advising transfer of client’s funds into

physical gold holdings in coded safety deposit boxes. This advise jives with

the notion that the money needed to be taken out of the US on fear of

collapsing US dollar and seizure of funds by IRS and courts for frauds

committed during the sub prime bubble.

The Swiss bank client leak has caused these banks to no longer be viable

avenues for asset concealment.

Madoff’s clients are not just in the US. He has moved funds to Israel for

clients in Russia, France, England and Swiss in the scheme in which he is

involved.

Some insiders are saying the amount involved may be closer to $100 Billion.”

http://fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/business/corporate_fraud/news.php?q=1229569429


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Folktruther…It makes me wonder with all this amount of money involved…was Madoff really acting alone? May be that more information will soon surface about this criminal and we may found out who is also in on this huge fraud scheme. ITW just keeps plugging away at trying to explain to us how a ponzi scheme works…and his usual worn out tactics of screaming ...anti-semetism, hate Jews, hate Israel.

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By jb, December 19, 2008 at 6:59 am Link to this comment
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ender says
*What’s your real agenda here Howard?  Are you an Israeli Citizen or an American Traitor?  There are only two kinds of Zionist that I have ever been aware of, Jewish Zionist, and right wing fundamentalist christians that want Israel to occupy all of their historical borders and rebuild Solomon’s Temple so jeebus can come again and kill them all.*

Hello ender- actually, I believe that *the right wing fundamentalist christians that want Israel to occupy all of their historical borders and rebuild Solomon’s Temple so jeebus can come again and kill them all.* is a myth put forward by jews like sid blumenthal to demonize christians even more to the left. I don*t think most christians even know that much about prophecy. I think most of them just think the bible says support jews, so they blindly follow.

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By Inherit The Wind, December 19, 2008 at 5:18 am Link to this comment

As usual, Robert clouds the issues with phony crimes cited from a totally unreliable website.  Robert has used this same one again and again despite the fact that it’s totally unreliable and been shown to be.

It doesn’t even make sense if you use your brain. A Ponzi Scheme is very simple.  It’s a pyramid. The 50 billion went to the earliest investors. Period.  That’s how they work. 

You pay back the early investors with money from the later ones—and there need to be an ever-widening group of those.  It’s like the doubling grains of rice on the chessboard—it gets out of control quickly.

You put 1 grain of rice on the first square, then double it on the second square (2 grains), then double it again on the 3 square (4 grains) and so on.  By the time you reach square 64 you have 9.2 QUINTILLION grains of rice! (2 to the 63rd power).

You are so clouded with your hatred for Jews and Israel you’ll believe any outrageous story even if it cannot make any possible sense. Then you put what looks like an authoritative quote but is actually to a bogus web site run by fellow tin-foil-hatters.

In doing so, you discredit any legitimate criticisms of Israel’s government and the IDF.

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By Robert, December 18, 2008 at 10:10 pm Link to this comment

By Folktruther, December 18 at 12:35 pm

“No,no Robert, Howeard should be encoraged to stay and continue putting out his garbage.  It informs people what the Israeli power system and Aipac conceive as truth.

Robert, can you find any links on Russian intelligence reports that Madoff was the chief funder of Israeli spying on the US?”
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Folktruther…there are reports that Madoff may have moved over $100 billion to Israel.

As per your request, check out the following:

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December 15, 2008

“Obama Forces Stage Massive Takedown Of Mossad Forces In US

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers (Traducción al Español abajo)

Russian Intelligence Analysts are stating today that US Military and Police Forces loyal to President-Elect Obama have staged the largest takedown in American history of a foreign Nations spy service operating within its borders.

According to these reports, New York financier Bernard Madoff [pictured top left] was the target of Obama Forces as he is believed to have masterminded the financing of Israel’s vast espionage operations in the United States since the 1960’s.

Mr. Madoff, who holds duel citizenship in both the United States and Israel, was apprehended this past week while attempting to flee the United States and move billions of Mossad funds out of New York, and which was thwarted by US District Court Judge Louis Stanton who said ‘the order he issued appeared necessary to prevent Madoff or an agent from moving funds out of the court’s jurisdiction and to “preserve the status quo” for whatever may come from future proceedings’.

These reports further state that the powerful US Attorney, and Obama ally, Patrick Fitzgerald was behind the takedown of Madoff and his Mossad backers who Fitzgerald has been investigation since the 2005 arrest of Pentagon Official Lawrence Franklin, and who was charged with passing American Military secrets to the powerful American-Jewish Lobby AIPAC which is known to be one of Mossad’s most powerful front organizations operating in the US.”

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1178.htm

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By Paul Hatgil, December 18, 2008 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment
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If for one minute one would believe the US will intervene in the Genocide that is playing out in the West Bank and Gaza Strip has his head in the sand. Presently the Congress of the US congress is made up of forty five representatives who are Jews.

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By Paul Hatgil, December 18, 2008 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment
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Having followed the dastardly deeds the occupiers of Palestine have inflicted on a down-trodden populace it has been the conclusion that they should be called Nazionists.

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By KDelphi, December 18, 2008 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment

I thought that some here might be interested in this:

http://december18th.org/

It is to stand up for Shministim—to ask to free Israeli teenagers who are jailed because they refuse to join the military ...

US soldiers , who aer war resistors, stand with them.

There is a petition…

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By Libarchist, December 18, 2008 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

Perhaps… I am a Zionists… by the nature of my being a half jew seeking a humanitarian discussion of this matter.

What is it that the people—here—being pro Arab terrorism,  think, that the Arabs and the Jews can agree upon?

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Zionism

“A Jew who strives to impregnate his spirit with humanitarian ideals can declare himself a Zionist without contradiction.” [Stachel, p. 66, quoting “Botschaft.” Judische Rundschau, vol. 30: 129. French translation in La revue juive, vol. 1: 14-16]

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By Folktruther, December 18, 2008 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

No,no Robert, Howeard should be encoraged to stay and continue putting out his garbage.  It informs people what the Israeli power system and Aipac conceive as truth.

Robert, can you find any links on Russian intelligence reports that Madoff was the chief funder of Israeli spying on the US?

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By Howard, December 18, 2008 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

Arafat turned his back on the Oslo accords. Started an attack within days against the civilians in Israel, opposite the soothing words he promised at Oslo. He promised to rescind the articles in the “Pal Convenent” which calls for the destruction of Israel, and he never did.

Everyone knows how when speaking after Oslo he kept talking about his peaceful intentions, but when speaking to his own people he continually advocated total annihalation of Israel.

His greatest crime was the teaching to 2 generations of Arab children to hate the Jews and to get ready for martyrdoom. He certainly was a minus for his people.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 18, 2008 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

By truedigger3, December 18 at 11:37 am #

“Libarchist,

Please stop calling yourself a pacifist and nobody
cares what your parents were or what is your religion.
One thing is clear , you are a cruel, war-monger zionist.”
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Well said truthdigger3, so thank you!

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By truedigger3, December 18, 2008 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

Libarchist,

You wrote addressing the Palestinians:
“Trust me, a majority of the Israelis are actually your friends; simply throw down your weapons of war; have a friendly attitude, and live in Israel in peace, with possibly a city called Palestine…and both the Arabs and the Jews will be happy.”

OH YA.
In Oslo accord, the secular PLO under the late Arafat
agreed to two states solution and expressed its
sincere desire to live in peace with Israel.
So, your friends, the Israelis killed Rabin claiming
that he “gave too much” and stepped up the the movement to the palestinian west bank, establishing
more settlements, taking land and demolishing houses and making life so miserable to the Palestinian with humiliating check points everywhere and a wall that divided many communities.

The way I see it is that the Israeli will give nothing.

Please stop calling yourself a pacifist and nobody
cares what your parents were or what is your religion.
One thing is clear , you are a cruel, war-monger zionist.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 18, 2008 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

I am glad that this character who calls himself Howard managed to make himself as a laughing stock on these TD forums. For sure, he represents the fanatic Zionists who are out of touch not only with reality, but also with the opinions of most enlightened people around the word.

I am particularly delighted that he does not represent all Jews, since there are many enlightened Jews who oppose his rants and are embarrassed by what he represents.

Howard is a symbol of all what is wrong with Israel and those who support its wrongs! When the types of Howard become a tiny minority, there might be hope for peace between Israel and Palestine!

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By Howard, December 18, 2008 at 9:08 am Link to this comment

No Running of people off their land. This can be as contentious an issue between us right here now as it was when UN, tired of it all decided to make land for both.  Pal’s refused their portion encouraged by Arab countries around them. They would rather have no land at all if have to live next to Israel. Hamas’s stated goal is just that. 60 years later.

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By Ctos, December 18, 2008 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

Howie, when you run people off their land at gunpoint, it is stolen.

There are no spoils of war anymore. The concept goes against all the advances made in international law.

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By Howard, December 18, 2008 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

NO Stolen land; no murdered Pal’s on purpose or as a goal of the Israeli gov’t. The terrorists hide behind the civilians always.  And Pal’s were driven into the refugee camps by the Arab states, who even to this day refuse to help their own camps and isolate them worse than ever.

Only potential friends the Pal’s have is the Israeli’s who will help them economically right now, not later,  for the long term and live along side them with their own state.  All they have to do is recognize Israel’s right to exist and decide not to exterminate them (Israel) as a goal. Certainly things worth striving for.  Instead Hamas misleads its people and children.

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By Robert, December 18, 2008 at 8:10 am Link to this comment

Howie…Why don’t you take a damn hike. You have NO credibility & certainly no shame. Your zionist lies & garbage are cluttered on TD & taking up valuable space.

WHAT A FLAMING IDIOT!

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By Ctos, December 18, 2008 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

Howard, you are so right. I see my mistake now. Just as it was not the fault of the Nazis that so many Jews were murdered during WWII, its not the fault of the Israelis that the Israelis have stolen Palestinian land, murdered Palestinian civilians and driven the Palestinians into refugee camps.

You see, the Jews should never have rebelled against their German masters. If they had just accepted their role as second class citizens, the Holocaust would never have happened! In fact, it was the Jews themselves who built the concentration camps, marched themselves in and turned the gas on. Those poor, innocent Nazis were just watching. For some reason, the Jews of WWII Europe had the same deathwish that (as so many Ziotwits like Howie will tell you) the Palestinians have today!

Thanks for enlightening me Howie!

It would be funny if the current situation in the ME were not so tragic.

To the other posters here; one thing I find intersting is that whereas a site like this continues to allow a poster such as Howie to spew its falsehoods and lies, if one tries to tell truth on a pro-Israeli blog one gets banned within a few posts.

Truth does not fear debate, Falsehood does.

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By Howard, December 18, 2008 at 4:47 am Link to this comment

Hedges report is an extreme exaggeration of the situation in Gaza

The situation in Gaza is certainly uncomfortable. That is not the fault of the Israelis. but the fault of the Palestinians themselves. In 1948, the UN proposed that “Palestine” be divided into an Arab and into a Jewish sector, with Jerusalem becoming an “internationalized” city. The Jews , while not overly happy with this, accepted this partition plan. The Arabs rejected it out of hand and then attacked the new Jewish state with the armies of five Arab nations. If the Arabs accepted the partition plan or any of the many Israeli offers of getting along, they would now have had their own state by now for sixty years. They would/could have had success like Israel. Instead, focused entirely on the destruction of Israel and the killing of the hated Israelis, Gazans are living in unhappiness, totally dependant on the dole of Israel and on the support of the UN. For everyting.  Where any of the 23 Arab nations to help them economically or in any fashion. They put them in this situation and operate camps themselves in their own countries. With far worse conditions than Gaza.

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By Libarchist, December 18, 2008 at 3:07 am Link to this comment

George Tenet (CIA) Screamed About Jews In Saudi Prince’s Pool: Book
The Huffington Post
December 17, 2008
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The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg offers an interesting excerpt from “A World Of Trouble,” a forthcoming book by Patrick Tyler on the White House and the Middle East. In this scene, CIA director George Tenet, drunk on scotch at Saudi Prince Bandar’s pool, rants about Bush administration “Jews” who are “setting me up” to take the fall for the false WMD claims:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/17/george-tenet-screamed-abo_n_151690.html

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By Libarchist, December 18, 2008 at 2:47 am Link to this comment

More proof that my theory is correct—-the powers that be—in the military-Industrial-Congressional complex want both the Arabs and the Jews dead.

He may even be paid to— antagonize— the Arabs, like someone poking a wild tiger in the woods with a stick,  performing for the warmongers, so that there is justification for continued conflicts, and war toys.

Trust me,  a majority of the Israelis are actually your friends; simply throw down your weapons of war; have a friendly attitude, and live in Israel in peace,  with possibly a city called Palestine…and both the Arabs and the Jews will be happy.

That is all the CIA (the MIC) does, by the way,  is copy and paste news articles, these days

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By cyrena, December 17, 2008 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment

Ctos

I experienced an outburst of laughter when I read this…

“..is also lifted verbatim from the same website;..”

http://www.factsandlogic.org/ad_101.html

LOL!

What an original thinker Howard is.

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Howie has been revealed (and reported) for the blatant plagiarizing that he’s been indulging in for 2 years, give or take.

He does this copy, paste, thing with nary an attribution or citation….EVER!! Several here have commented on it, but Howie doesn’t seem to care. Delusional people are not concerned with such formalities. wink

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By Ctos, December 17, 2008 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, I meant the IDF broke the cease fire on Tuesday

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By Ctos, December 17, 2008 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

Of course, Howie neglects to mention the IDF broke the cease fire on Friday with an assassination of a Hamas leader.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1228728234959&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Four Kassam rockets landed in open fields in the Eshkol region on Tuesday. Islamic Jihad said it fired the rockets in response to the death of 23-year-old Jihad Nawhda, who was shot and killed by IDF troops near Jenin.

Palestinian witnesses said Nawhda, 23, was leaving an Internet cafe near the town of Jenin when the Israeli troops arrived. The IDF said that Nawhda, who was the commander of Islamic Jihad in the Jenin area, was in the midst of planning a terror attack to be perpetrated in the coming weeks.

The one thing you can count on when it comes to Zionists is their lack of ability to tell the truth!

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By Robert, December 17, 2008 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

Howie…your zionist stench & trash is up to your neck!

You need to get your head checked out. Your ass just got exposed so badly by Ctos. We are all laughing at your current situation. You should be totally ASHAMED of yourself! Don’t you have any common sense?

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By Howard, December 17, 2008 at 3:52 pm Link to this comment

24 rockets from Gaza today injure 3 people in Israel ! Extensive damage.  Hamas refuses to continue cease-fire on Sunday.  Sure hope an incursion from Israel puts an end to this daily bombardment.  IDF on high alert.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1228728234910&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

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By Ctos, December 17, 2008 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

The thing I find even more laughable is that if the outright BS Howie spews had at least been its own one could forgive it for the factual misrepresenations and lies.

Instead all it does is make Ziotwits look even more foolish when their “FLAME” propaganda site contains outright lies that any first year polysci student would expose in a heartbeat.

Statements such as;

“The oldest rule of warfare is that to the victor belong the spoils. Do people expect France to return Alsace-Lorraine to Germany? “

Are not only factually inaccurate (rules of war have changed and Germany annexed Alsace-Lorraine from France via a war of aggression ergo its return to France was not a case of to the victor go the spoils but rather reparations) but actually support the Palestinian cause (ie the return of Palestine to its legitimate inhabitants/owners).

They certainly are good at digging their own intellectual graves those Zionitwits!

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By Ctos, December 17, 2008 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

Howard’s earlier post containing this text;

“The very concept of “occupation,” as applied to Gaza and Judea/Samaria (the “West Bank”), is a myth. When the Egyptians were in possession of Gaza for almost twenty years nobody accused them of being occupiers. The Jordanians, who were in possession of Judea/Samaria (the “West Bank”) and much of Jerusalem for the same length of time, were not considered occupiers by the nations of the world and by the inhabitants of the area. The Israelis were considered “occupiers” when, after a war of extermination against them, they prevailed and came into possession of these territories. The oldest rule of warfare is that to the victor belong the spoils. Do people expect France to return Alsace-Lorraine to Germany? Do they expect the Czech Republic or Poland to return the German territories awarded to them after Germany’s defeat in World War II? Of course not! Those countries evicted most of the original inhabitants or caused them to flee. Israel, in contrast, has never evicted a single Arab from these territories. On the contrary, lured by the prosperity the Israelis have created, tens of thousands of Arabs from adjacent Syria and Jordan have come to live there. “

is also lifted verbatim from the same website;

http://www.factsandlogic.org/ad_101.html

LOL!

What an original thinker Howard is.

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By Robert, December 17, 2008 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

Hey “Howie”...your lying zionist ass has been exposed by Ctos.

You never had any integrity ... all you cared about is to keep posting your damn worn out zionist propaganda script.

I like what FolkTruther calls you…a “Ziofacist”!

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By KDelphi, December 17, 2008 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

Ctos—Looks verbatim to me…jeeze, Howard!!

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By Ctos, December 17, 2008 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

Please note that Howard is incapable of original thought. Its most recent post is lifted verbatim from

http://www.factsandlogic.org/ad_101.html

A Zionist propaganda site.

I suggest it be banned from this site given its inability to cite sources or indicate when it has taken text from another source. Kinda reminds me of that other Ziotwit Dershowitz ...

LOL

Slither back under your rock Howie.

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By Robert, December 17, 2008 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

Israeli Terrorists Wanted by the British (See Photos)

Israel had 4 prime ministers who were terrorists (Stern Gang/Irgun). Thousands of innocent women, children & unarmed civilians were killed/murdered as a results of these criminals.

In case that you can’t name them…here are their names:

Ben Gerion

Menachem Begin

Yitzhak Shamir

Ariel Sharon

http://www.palestineremembered.com/images/IsraeliJewishTerroristsWanted.html

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By Howard, December 17, 2008 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

Instead of using their newly won “liberty from occupation,” the Gazans have engaged in what is practically a bloody civil war and have destroyed most of their meager infrastructure. They have demolished and vandalized the valuable and extensive greenhouse installations that the Israelis had created, which could have been the basis for a prosperous agricultural economy and of substantial export income. But they focus their efforts on sending rocket bombardments into Israel every day and their energy on digging tunnels under the wall that separates them from Israel, in order to attack Israeli military, killing and kidnapping their soldiers, and thus bringing added misery upon themselves. Having the disastrous examples of the withdrawal from the southern Lebanon security zone and now from Gaza, it is easy to imagine what would happen if Israel would not have learned from experience and – under pressure from the U.S. and world opinion – would commit the folly of abandoning Judea/Samaria (the “West Bank”). While Gaza is isolated, surrounded by Israel and the sea, the “West Bank” is connected to Syria and Jordan. Within days of Israel’s abandonment of that territory, Syrian tanks, Syrian aircraft, Syrian artillery, and Syrian and perhaps even Iranian troops would be stationed on the ridges of the Judean hills that dominate Israel’s heartland. That heartland is only nine miles wide at its narrow waist. Israel’s population centers, Israel’s military installations, Israel’s industrial capacity, Israel’s utilities, and Israel’s international airport would be in the gunsights of the Arabs, sworn to the destruction of Israel. The attack against Israel, the hoped-for final assault against the hated Jews, would begin within days or weeks and might well be successful.

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By Folktruther, December 17, 2008 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

One expects obscene garbage from Ziofacists like Howard.  But the major legitimation of the mass murder of Palestinians is the silence of Zioliberals like Inherit and Maani.  And Obama.  Obama hasn’t condemned the starvation blockade, which can only be sustained by the approval of the Bushites.

It’s going to be a bloody eight years.

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By diamond, December 17, 2008 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

All that technological stuff is no doubt true, Howard, but like so many apologists for Israel you’ve left out the most important things.

1. Prior to 9/11 the FBI discovered a massive spy ring inside the United States run by the state of Israel.
2.Israel has set up government subsidised telecommunications companies which operate in the US. One of these is AMDOC which provides billing and directory assistance for 90% of phone companies in the US. AMDOC’s main computer is in Israel and allows those with access to do ‘traffic analysis’, a picture of someone’s activities based on a pattern of who they are calling and when.
3. Another Israeli company, Odigo, provides the core message passing system for all the instant message services in the US.
4. Billions of taxpayer dollars are sent to Israel while women and children sleep in America’s alleys and eat out of trash cans. These taxpayer dollars have bought and paid for a telecommunications system which spies on US citizens. The White House is not immune. This is how Bill Clinton’s relationship with Lewinsky came to the attention of the Republicans and others. His conversations with her on White House phones were recorded by the Israelis. This information was in the Ken Starr Report. At the same time, Clinton called off a hunt for an Israeli mole known to be operating in the White House. Clearly he knew who was spying on him.
5. America therefore has a foreign nation able to tap its phones at will using taps that cannot be detected because they are built into the phone system itself.
6. Investigators within the DEA and the FBI all told Fox News that to suggest that Israel spies on America is considered career suicide.

Clever with technology? Undoubtedly. Ethical? No.

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By KDelphi, December 17, 2008 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

Howard—Israel “left” Lebanon?? “Left” it how? In ashes??

Almost every Jewish person I know thinks that the “Second Lebanon War” was a huge mistake. It resulted in the resignation , due to UN report, Of PM Olmert and others, political and military. Sec. Rice stalled the negotiations for as long as she could, and, resentment in the Arab world increased.

Lebanon had been undergoing something of an economic revolution—well, not anymore! The HRW , as well as Amnesty Intl declared Israel’s actions in Lebanon as war crimes.

The Pres. of Syria, Pres. Bashar al-Assad, said that “Arab resistance against Israel would continue to grow stronger”


“The months after the hostilities saw major upheaval in the Israeli military and political echelon, with the spate of high-ranking resignations including Chief of General Staff Dan Halutz, and calls for resignations of many cabinet-members including Prime-Minister Ehud Olmert following publication of the Winograd Commission’s findings. The Winograd report severely criticized Olmert, accusing him of a “severe failure in exercising judgment, responsibility and caution.”“


Great for Israel.

OK, lets say that “23 Arab countries are to blame” (I dont really see how, but…). OK, Egypt and Jordan are also former occupiers…so what?

That doesnt justify what Israel is doing, and, is akin to Bush’s admonition that we had to “remove Hussein because he tortured his people”, and then, we proceeded to torture and kill more of them!

It hasnt done the uS any good, either.

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By Libarchist, December 17, 2008 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

Howard

...Those countries evicted most of the original inhabitants or caused them to flee. Israel, in contrast, has never evicted a single Arab from these territories.

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Why not evict them? They are obviously hostile terrorists. Why negotiate with them? It is waist of time. 

It actually is the “non-violent” way to deal with the conflict. Evicting them is more humane; then a long protracted covert war.

I am a half jew; with rights of return as a Jew, both my father and his grandparents are Jews.  I am Jewish Catholic, I know, Jews don’t like them to much, but we will move to the West Bank, and keep the terrorists out.

If Israel evicts them; I will move there, to the West Bank.

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By Bboy57, December 17, 2008 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

Re Len: There was no good offer in the 80’s. Around the melenium talks were still at a standstill because of Israelis’ insistance that Jerusalem come under their complete control. Not happening in a million years!

Meanwhile every guarantee that they made reguarding settlements throughout the region has gone awry. Why should the Palestinians trust them. Besides who was there for the past 2000+years?! Who is Israel to give something that was handed to them by the UN through the British mandate?! That is just the tip of the crux of the problem over there. Who is the UN to determine nationhood?! That is western ethnocentricity at it’s worst; of which Israel has taken enormous liberties regarding it’s nationhood and percieved borders. Where does it’s expnsion end, is the pressing question from their Arab brethren?

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By Little Brother, December 17, 2008 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

By Howard, December 17 at 11:58 am #

Lot of nonsense espoused here.
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Assuming you’re referring to your own prolific espousing, that’s the only true statement you’ve made up till now.

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By Ctos, December 17, 2008 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

“There are no occupied territories”

Because Israel Firsters like you say so? Even of the rest of the world disagrees, its meaningless to you; we are all just dumb goyim; right?!

LOL so the UN is OK to create Israel but can have no voice thereafter in its affairs. See UN Res 242.

“The Israelis were considered “occupiers” when, after a war of extermination against them, “

I can’t stop laughing. The nazis could not do it but somehow a bunch of rag-tag Arabs were going to wipe out all the world’s Jews. No wonder Chutzpah is a Yiddish word.

“The oldest rule of warfare is that to the victor belong the spoils”

Actually, the modern world has turned its back on this concept. Perhaps you should read up a bit before you open your ignorant matzoh hole.

In any case, Alsace-Lorraine was RETURNED to France after the German defeat. You see, it was French first, then acquired by Germany through a war of aggression (just like Israel acquired the OT), then returned to France after (just like the OT will be returned in their entirety to the Palestinians if Israel ever wants a durable and lasting peace).

Oh and BTW,  “Where population transfers used to be accepted as a means to settle ethnic conflict, today, forced population transfers are considered violations of international law.” (Denver Journal of International Law and Policy, Spring 2001, p116)

“Israel, in contrast, has never evicted a single Arab from these territories”

Actually , they have driven entire villages out at gun point.

Do you actually believe your own BS or do you just do it for the hourly stipend?

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By Howard, December 17, 2008 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

Lot of nonsense espoused here. Like Israel did not already leave Lebanon or Gaza entirely.  There are no occupied territories. There are 23 Arab countries who are resposible for putting the Pal’s in camps. and offer only ‘lip-service’ and no financial or any kind of help. Purposefuly just goad them on the wrong way and encourage terrorism of the worst kind.

The very concept of “occupation,” as applied to Gaza and Judea/Samaria (the “West Bank”), is a myth. When the Egyptians were in possession of Gaza for almost twenty years nobody accused them of being occupiers. The Jordanians, who were in possession of Judea/Samaria (the “West Bank”) and much of Jerusalem for the same length of time, were not considered occupiers by the nations of the world and by the inhabitants of the area. The Israelis were considered “occupiers” when, after a war of extermination against them, they prevailed and came into possession of these territories. The oldest rule of warfare is that to the victor belong the spoils. Do people expect France to return Alsace-Lorraine to Germany? Do they expect the Czech Republic or Poland to return the German territories awarded to them after Germany’s defeat in World War II? Of course not! Those countries evicted most of the original inhabitants or caused them to flee. Israel, in contrast, has never evicted a single Arab from these territories. On the contrary, lured by the prosperity the Israelis have created, tens of thousands of Arabs from adjacent Syria and Jordan have come to live there.

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By ender, December 17, 2008 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

What’s your real agenda here Howard?  Are you an Israeli Citizen or an American Traitor?  There are only two kinds of Zionist that I have ever been aware of, Jewish Zionist, and right wing fundamentalist christians that want Israel to occupy all of their historical borders and rebuild Solomon’s Temple so jeebus can come again and kill them all.

Be honest once Howard.  I’m assuming you’re American.  Why do you put Israel’s interest ahead of your own nations?

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By gilly, December 17, 2008 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

The US may well save themselves millions of dollars by having the Israeli’s as their “longarm” army.
It never fails to amaze me how politicians make decisions without considering what those decisions do to people’s minds. Palestinians have lost their lands, their livelihoods, their self esteem and many family members and let’s not forget the Israeli’s were and still are the invaders. An old Palestinian woman said “they take our land, they kill our children and families, they deprive us of food and health care and they build a wall around us. What does that remind you of?”
I believe the Israeli’s do not want a settlement because that would mean giving up the land they have stolen so it suits them to continue endless conflict. It truly is David and Golieth. Don’t those that support Israel see that the more the Palestinians are brutally kept down, the more likely it is that the younger generations will grow up with a deep sense of injustice and rage, then surprise, surprise they will retaliate. I refuse to use the word terrorists. If you have nothing then you have nothing to lose. I speak as a person who worked with the most disturbed and displaced children for 20yrs and I know believe me what they become capable of after years of abuse.
I only worked with maybe 5/6 children at a time. Palestine has a whole generation of fervantly angry young people.
Believe me, it is like a tinder box and nothing will change until the Israeli people change and RESPECT the Palestinian people.
I wonder how many Israeli’s actually originate from the Middle East. Not many I bet.
Yes the Palestinians fire rockets, yes they throw stones for God’s sake what do they expect?, they are being occupied.How many tanks and sophisticated weapons have Israel got curtesy of the US
How many Israeli’s languish in Palestinian jails ?.
How many Palestinians languish in Israeli jails?
The trouble with Israelis is they want their own country but they also want a finger in the pie of every other country. Yes they have a right to exist but so do Palestinians too.

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By Ctos, December 17, 2008 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

re: “Like a “Warsaw Ghetto” .  You are kidding are you not. Sure is insulting to those who perished in that Ghetto.. “


Actually, Howard, what is really insulting is how the memory of the Holocaust is used to justify the barabaric actions of Israel in the OT. “Never Again” actually means “Never Again to the Jews, but to others its OK so long as its Jews who are doing the oppressing”; according to Ziotwits like you in any case.

Good to see you acknowledge that the tunnels are used for more than just munitions. Acknowedging your BS is the first step to overcoming it. Perhaps one day you will acknowledge your past mistakes and accept that Israel is prime obstacle to peace in the ME.

Oh and Israel sure is a great source of Intel, didn’t they verify Saddam’s WMD for the US?

LOL!

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By Robert, December 17, 2008 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

Where did Dov Zakheim (dual citizen) Israel/US, comptroller of Defense Dept, hide or siphon the $$$ 2.3 trillion dollars to?


$2.6 TRILLION Still Missing
From Department Of Defense…

“Testimony before the House Appropriations Committee: Fiscal Year 2002 Defense Budget Request As Given by Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Hugh Shelton, and Comptroller Dov Zakheim, Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC, Monday, July 16, 2001.

SEC. RUMSFELD: Mr. Congressman, thank you very much. Your question is, of course, right at the heart of an enormously important issue for the Department of Defense. We have a panel in the Quadrennial Defense Review on this subject. We have met with it twice in the last two weeks. We’re obviously going to have to meet with it again. It is a big, broad, complicated subject.

As you know, the Department of Defense really is not in charge of its civilian workforce, in a certain sense. It’s the OPM, or Office of Personnel management, I guess. There are all kinds of long- standing rules and regulations about what you can do and what you can’t do. I know Dr. Zakheim’s been trying to hire CPAs because the financial systems of the department are so snarled up that we can’t account for some $2.6 trillion in transactions that exist, if that’s believable. And yet we’re told that we can’t hire CPAs to help untangle it in many respects.”

http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=408

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By Howard, December 17, 2008 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Like a “Warsaw Ghetto” .  You are kidding are you not. Sure is insulting to those who perished in that Ghetto..
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Although conditions in Gaza are far from ideal, many Gazans are able to get by on what the Hamas-controlled smuggling tunnels provide.
  Coupled with a large surplus of fruit and vegetables, the vast majority of people in Gaza aren’t wanting for food.
  Reports that 50% of children are suffering from malnutrition are exaggerations, says Khaled Abdel Shaafi, director of the UN Development Program. “It’s an economic crisis, a political crisis, but it’s not a humanitarian crisis. People aren’t starving,” he said.
  The market in Rafah, on the border with Egypt, is packed with products and with shoppers.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081212.wgaza12/BNStory/

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By sliptip, December 17, 2008 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

What makes me even more furious is that this modern-day Warsaw ghetto could only exist with the slavish political and financial support of the United States of America. Makes you proud, doesn’t it?

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By Howard, December 17, 2008 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

Gen. George Keagan, former head of U.S. Air Force Intelligence, stated publicly that “Israel is worth five CIAs,” with regard to intelligence passed to our country. He also stated that the yearly $1.8 billion that Israel received in military assistance was worth $50 to $60 billion in intelligence, R&D;savings, and Soviet weapons systems captured and transferred to the Pentagon. In contrast to our commitments in Korea, Japan, Germany, and other parts, not a single American serviceperson needs to be stationed in Israel. Considering that the cost of one serviceperson per year — including backup and infrastructure — is estimated to be about $200,000, and assuming a minimum contingent of 25,000 troops, the cost savings to the United States on that score alone is on the order of $5 billion a year.

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By Robert, December 17, 2008 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

Congress Watch

A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: Almost $114 Billion

By Shirl McArthur

“This estimate of total U.S. direct aid to Israel updates the estimate given in the July 2006 issue of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. It is an estimate because arriving at an exact figure is not possible, since parts of U.S. aid to Israel are a) buried in the budgets of various U.S. agencies, mostly that of the Defense Department (DOD), or b) in a form not easily quantifiable, such as the early disbursement of aid, giving Israel a direct benefit in interest income and the U.S. Treasury a corresponding loss. Given these caveats, our current estimate of cumulative total direct aid to Israel is $113.8554 billion.

It must be emphasized that this analysis is a conservative, defensible accounting of U.S. direct aid to Israel, NOT of Israel’s cost to the U.S. or the American taxpayer, nor of the benefits to Israel of U.S. aid. The distinction is important, because the indirect or consequential costs suffered by the U.S. as a result of its blind support for Israel exceed by many times the substantial amount of direct aid to Israel. (See, for example, the late Thomas R. Stauffer’s article in the June 2003 Washington Report, “The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion.”)

Especially, this computation does not include the costs resulting from the invasion and occupation of Iraq—hundreds of billions of dollars, 4,000-plus U.S. and allied fatalities, untold tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, and many thousands of other U.S., allied, and Iraqi casualties—which is almost universally believed in the Arab world to have been undertaken for the benefit of Israel. Among other “indirect or consequential” costs would be the costs of U.S. unilateral economic sanctions on Iran, Iraq, Libya and Syria, the costs to U.S. manufacturers of the Arab boycott, and the costs to U.S. companies and consumers of the 1973 Arab oil embargo and consequent and subsequent soaring oil prices partially as a result of U.S. support for Israel.

Among the real benefits to Israel that are not direct costs to the U.S. taxpayer are the early cash transfer of economic and military aid, in-country spending of a portion of military aid, and loan guarantees. The U.S. gives Israel all of its economic and military aid directly in cash during the first month of the fiscal year, with no accounting required of how the funds are used. Also, in contrast with other countries receiving military aid, who must purchase through the DOD, Israel deals directly with the U.S. companies, with no DOD review. Furthermore, Israel is allowed to spend 26.3 percent of each year’s military aid in Israel (no other recipient of U.S. military aid gets this benefit), which has resulted in an increasingly sophisticated Israeli defense industry. As a result, Israel has become a major world arms exporter; the Congressional Research Service (CRS) reports that in 2006 Israel was the world’s ninth leading supplier of arms worldwide, earning $4.4 billion from defense sales.

Another benefit to Israel are U.S. government loan guarantees. The major loan guarantees have been $600 million for housing between 1972 and 1990; $9.2 billion for Soviet Jewish resettlement between 1992 and 1997; about $5 billion for refinancing military loans commercially; and $9 billion in loan guarantees authorized in FY ’03 and extended to FY ’10. Of that $9 billion, CRS reports that Israel has drawn $4.1 billion through FY ’07. These loans have not—yet—cost the U.S. any money; they are listed on the Treasury Department’s books as “contingent liabilities,” which would be liabilities to the U.S. should Israel default.”
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Click on URL to see the details & components of additional hidden DoD US aid to Israel:

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/November_2008/0811010.html

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By Ctos, December 17, 2008 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

How unsurprising that you are unable to actually think for yourself and just post the same tired cut and paste Zionist propaganda one sees elsewhere on the net.

Do they pay you by the word or by the hour?

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By Howard, December 17, 2008 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

Well, here are just a few more.

6. Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D;facilities outside the US in Israel

7. The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis

8. According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry’s most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

9. Israel’s $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined

10. Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita

11. Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

12. Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin — 109 per 10,000 people — as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed

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By Ctos, December 17, 2008 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

So the Israelis have created wonderful things. Does that excuse them for barbarous behaviour?

If you believe it does then by the same logic the Nazis were OK as they gave the world the jet engine, advanced aeroplane design, advances in biology, advances in physics etc. during their reich in Germany.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 17, 2008 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

By Howard, December 17 at 6:06 am #

A few items on the positive side:
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7. And they introduced terrorism into the Middle East!
8. And they became masters of targeted killings.
9. And they introduced the hate for olive orchards that they keep destroying them!
10. And they live by the motto: “By deception we shall wage wars.”!
11. And they are the only people who elevated their historical terrorists to the highest positions in their illegitimate state!
12. And they have become the world maters in killing children with little stones!
13. And they have become experts in home demolishing!
14. And they have become the proverbial cowards hiding behind their weapons of mass destruction provided for them by the merchants of death in the U.S.
15. And that through bribery and blackmailing they managed to make the U.S. Congress an Israeli-occupied territory!

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By Ctos, December 17, 2008 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

“For reasons that are not at all clear, Israel finds itself in the thankless role of being responsible for Gaza’s welfare,”

That would be its obligations under the Geneva convention. Occupying power is responsible for civilian welfare.


“in feeble retaliation, Israel will slow the supply of fuel and electricity, though it never curtails the supply of food and medicine and routinely allows seriously ill Gazans access to its superb medical facilities. When it occasionally does curtail fuel and electricity, the world complains about Israel’s “siege of Gaza.” “

B/C it is illegal to impose collective punishment on a civilian population. Any “feeble retaliation” against the civilian population is illegal and immoral. PERIOD.

“Some questions: 1) Who appointed Israel to be the guardian of Gaza and responsible for its welfare and comfort?”

Israel when it decided to occupy and colonize the land illegally.


“2) Why don’t the Gazans and their Iranian and Syrian friends use the sophisticated tunnels leading from Sinai to Gaza to import fuel, food, and medicine instead of explosives and weapons?”

They do. Are you really that ignorant or just selective in your BS?


“3) Why, in sixty years and in the decades before, when Egypt was in charge of Gaza, have the Palestinians been unable to build a functioning power plant that would make them independent in that respect?”

They did build a power plant. The Israelis destroyed it for them. Once more illegal under the auspices of punishing a civilian population.


“Israel should openly declare to Gaza and to the world at large that every rocket that falls on Sderot or on any place in Israel will immediately be responded to by a rocket aimed at where it came from.”

No problem there. How about as a tit for tat whenever the Israelis kill Gazan civilians without legitimate provocation the UN drags an equal number of Israelis out and executes them in the streets? Its the same logic only applied universally.

“Since Gaza is packed with humanity, it is clear that such a tit-for-tat approach would cause many civilian casualties. That would be a tragedy, of course. But, it is pretty clear that the rockets would stop in short order.” -

Really? That is not what history has taught. Did the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto stop resisting when the Nazi’s would execute them in retaliation for the killing of wehrmacht soldiers? Not one bit. Perhaps you apply a different set of standards for Jews vs non-Jews. Maybe in your tiny mind only Jews get the right to resist occupation and dispossesion by foreign powers invading their land. Too bad that’s not the way it is.

“Sure, “the world” would object. But a country’s first duty is to protect its citizens from attack. That is what we would do. That is the very least any country would do.”

The way to protect its civilians is for Israel to engage in honest dialogue about the creation of a Palestinian state and compensation for the Nakba; somehting it has refused to do since its founding. So long as Israel controls access to Gaza it has an obligaiton to safeguard the civilians of Gaza.

See Howard, all your BS is easily rebutted.

Slither back under your rock.

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By Howard, December 17, 2008 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

A few items on the positive side:

1. The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel

2. Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel

3.The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed, and produced in Israel

4.The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel

5.Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

6. Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D;facilities outside the US in Israel

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By eileen fleming, December 17, 2008 at 5:46 am Link to this comment

On Nov. 18, 2008, in Jerusalem, Noble Laurette Mairead Maguire stated:

  “Recently, I went with the Free Gaza Movement by boat from Larnaca to Gaza to help break the siege of Gaza. This siege is a policy of collective punishment of one and a half million Gazans by Israel because they voted for a Hamas Government.

“Collective punishment of civilians is against the Geneva Convention.  The people of Gaza have been closed off completely from the world for two and a half years now, and their community and infrastructure is slowly being destroyed.  There is a shortage of medicines, food, electricity and the basic necessities of life.  But perhaps the worst form of torture for any human being is being unable to hold and touch the people they love, and the people of Gaza are not allowed to go across the now closed borders to be with their families.  Hundreds of wives are parted from husbands in the West Bank, over 700 students cannot get out to go abroad to take up their positions in Universities, Sick people cannot get out to get hospital treatment, over 8O% of the children are suffering from malnutrition, and they have no milk for the children.

“Gaza is like a huge prison except the Israeli Occupiers’ policy is depriving the inmates of sufficient food and medicines for survival, in this the worlds largest open-air prison.  The International community and UN, should resume economic assistance as they have a responsibility towards the civilian population of Gaza, which is not dependent on whether Hamas satisfies the political conditions set by Israel or whether ceasefires hold.

“In the face of all this injustice perpetrated upon the Palestinian community, The EU,  European Governments and much of the world community,  have not only remained silent but have connived with this injustice by   cutting off financial aid necessary for the Palestinians’ survival,  and are thus complicit with these ongoing crimes against humanity. 

“I was shocked and saddened by the suffering I witnessed, but I took hope from the warmth and resilience of the people of Gaza.  They want dialogue and unity with other Palestinians in the West Bank, and dialogue with the Israeli Government based on justice and equality.

“After meeting with Hamas Prime Minister, Ismail Haniyah   and speaking at the Hamas Parliament,  and at a meeting with over 100 political representatives, of all the political parties in Gaza, including Hamas and Fatah,  I took away with me real hope that more and more Palestinians recognize that Palestinian National Unity and non-violent civil resistance is a political strategy that will work and give them great strength.


“Increasingly they are recognizing that divided Palestinian people, armed struggle and militarism will not solve their problem. I hope that all those of us who want Peace in the Middle East, will support the rightful struggle of non-violent civil resistance of Palestinians for an end to Occupation…”

The Rest:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1112&Itemid=212

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By Libarchist, December 17, 2008 at 1:28 am Link to this comment

By tehpistolpete,
To suggest that all Palestinians act nonviolently might just be the most unrealistic solution of this conflict.
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All military tactics are unjust; there is no so thing as a just war. Destroy all forms of militarism—go on the path of non-violence, and peace and prosperity will come to the Middle East.

This is what I find mind-boggling—that some people on the left can justify war by terrorist tactics; because it helps the poor?

If anything it does not help the poor; because they are powerless to fight in battle on a equal basis, so they get slaughtered, by those on the left that claim to be defending them.

In other words, they become tools for the beast of militarism that created the original injustice, and gives the —beast of militarism—a reason to feed of the blood of the innocent bystanders, in addition to the terrorists.

The beast does not seek truth or justice; it wants both the Arabs and the Jews dead. It is a machine—with no conscience— called the Miliary-Industrial-Congressional complex.

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By KDelphi, December 16, 2008 at 11:44 pm Link to this comment

Falk was expelled from Israel Monday, by authoritites

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/16/world/middleeast/16mideast.html

Please check out the Finkelstein link, folks…it is gruesome..

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By KDelphi, December 16, 2008 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment

Yes, yes, UN will fix, except, now, they have thrown out Falk (UN Ambassador), they have killed Rachel Corrie (I saw the tape), and many other US, EU and other journalists.

One usually does that when one have something to hide…

the UN began with very good intentions.It has been used as a tool of Imperaialism. That doesnt mean that I think that we should “disband” it.—we just need it to WORK.

It must stop being used as a tool of the superpowers and its allies.

As long as the World Bank remains convinced that the Chicago School of Economics is the way to help places like Gaza, it will remain a tool of US—and other-superpowers,promoting Imperialism and neo-liberal economics.They will fail to help anyone.

According to Friedman, etc. that was not even the point. The point was to promote the capialist agenda. To make a profit. To broaden markets.

(Zionism is NOT = Judaism)

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By Robert, December 16, 2008 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment

By colin2626262, December 16 at 7:43 pm

“There’s only one solution to this conflict.  There’s only one way for peace to be established between Israelis and Palestinians.  There’s no doubt, if this method is adopted, that it will work.  And it’s very simple:

The Palestinians must become completely nonviolent.”
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Hey Colin262…Have you heard about Israel’s IDF?
Israel’s IDF soldiers murder 9, 10, 11 ,12 ...Palestinian children by shooting them in the head with live ammunition & steel “rubber coated” bullets. Israel’s IDF NEVER spend one hour in prison for killing/murdering an unarmed Palestinian/Arab of any age group. That is Israel’s apartheid military policy.

Apparently you are either too naive regarding Israel’s IDF & their barbaric reputation.

Take a look at photos below & see for yourself what happened to the human rights worker(s):

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Giving peace a chance (Hitler-style)

Swedish human rights worker viciously attacked by Israeli settlers:

International Solidarity Movement

A 19-year old Swedish human rights worker had her cheekbone broken by an Israeli settler in Hebron today. Tove Johansson from Stockholm walked through the Tel Rumeida checkpoint with a small group of human rights workers to accompany Palestinian schoolchildren to their homes. They were confronted by about 100 settlers in small groups, who started chanting in Hebrew “We killed Jesus, we’ll kill you too!”, a refrain the settlers had been repeating to internationals in Tel Rumeida all day.

After about thirty seconds of waiting, a small group of very aggressive settler men surrounded the international volunteers and began spitting at them, so much so that the internationals described it like “rain.” Then settler men from the back of the crowd began jumping up and spitting, while others kicked the volunteers from the back of the crowd and from the side. The soldiers who were standing just a few feet behind the internationals at the checkpoint just looked on as the internationals were being attacked.

One settler then hit Tove on the left side of her face with an empty bottle, breaking it on her face and leaving her with a broken cheekbone. She immediately fell to the ground and the group of settlers who were watching began to clap, cheer, and chant. The soldiers, who had only watched until this point, then came forward and motioned at the settlers, in a way which the internationals described as “ok… that’s enough guys….”

The settlers, however, were allowed to stay in the area and continued watching and clapping as internationals tried to stop the flow of blood from the woman’s face. Some settlers who were coming down the hill even tried to take photos of themselves next to her bleeding face, giving the camera a “thumbs-up” sign.

At this point, an international was taken into a police van and asked to identify who had attacked the group. The international did this, pointing out three settlers who the police took into their police vehicles. However, the settlers were all driven to different areas of the neighborhood and released nearly immediately. When one settler was released on Shuhada Street, the settler crowd that was still celebrating the woman’s injuries applauded and cheered.

A settler medic came to the scene about 15 minutes after the attack and immediately began interrogating the internationals who had been attacked, about why they were in Hebron. He refused to help the bleeding woman lying on the street in any way .

Five minutes after the settler medic arrived, the army medic arrived and began treating the injured woman. When she was later put on a stretcher, the crowd of settlers again clapped and cheered.

Police officers at the scene then immediately began threatening to arrest the remaining internationals if they did not immediately leave the area, though they had also just been attacked.


http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=687

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By cyrena, December 16, 2008 at 11:12 pm Link to this comment

Hi Paolo,

You know it’s always a pleasure to hear from you. It’s because of you that I’ve tried to learn as much as I can about the Libertarian ideology, but I admit that I’ve yet to be able to find an actual working example of it in any of the current US politicians. Ron Paul claims to espouse such an ideology, but if I had to use him as the example, I would be very turned off by the mindset.

On this though, you may be surprised:

•  “..You say that the issue of Gaza is a matter for the United Nations, and not the USA. Unfortunately, the US pays a lot of the UN’s bills and has a lot of pull. I don’t think the UN engages in a lot of activities without the US being at least aware of it, and often intimately involved. In Gaza, I would be surprised to learn the US does not support Israeli human rights abuses there…”

The part that you might be surprised about is that the US does NOT “pay a lot of the UN’s bills”. In fact, it’s the opposite. The US has become notorious in the past decade, for NEVER paying its UN dues on time. (if they pay their dues at all). It’s really very embarrassing for those US citizens that have any active role in the UN. Why can’t the US pay their dues like everybody else? (That’s a rhetorical question).

That is NOT to dismiss your all-important point however, which is that the US has a lot of pull. It’s not because the UN is supposed to be acting without ‘knowledge’ of the US, because that’s not the point. Of COURSE the US is supposed to be aware of what the UN is doing, just like every other member of the organization should be up to speed on what is happening. (and they pay their dues). That’s why all members have an Ambassador to the UN. It’s why the General Assembly is comprised of members from the ‘world’. It’s why the UN Security Council was adopted..to prevent countries from resolving their disputes unilaterally.

So, while I don’t believe that the US directly or actively ‘supports’ human rights abuses in Gaza, the West Bank, (where the abuses are as prevalent as they are in Gaza) there is no doubt that the US DOES give Israel money ($3billion a year now) with no strings attached. And I wouldn’t even begin to hazard a guess about the supply of arms, (including cluster bombs that Israel has used on Lebanon) that the US provides to Israel. With that in mind, we can be reasonable certain that this current regime of gangsters in the US Admin is at the least indirectly supportive of the abuses, if only by turning their heads away from the obvious, and continuing the US direct aid to Israel. (which has ZERO to do with the UN…that is between the US taxpayers and Israel – our money to their disposal of it.)

That isn’t new. The US has done the same thing everywhere else, under previous Republican administrations. Let us not forget the arms, equipment, and chemical weapons that were supplied to Saddam under the first Bush regime, (with Rumsfeld as the emissary at the time) while we promptly looked the other way when Saddam used them on the people of Iraq.

What you write here is troubling though, maybe because it’s what I was attempting to explain in the earlier post, but I obviously failed

•  “… I don’t view the UN as a source of good in international relations. Actually, it’s the opposite. It’s a typical invention of previous interventionist US Presidents who felt it would be a good tool to further US hegemony. Indeed, it is…”


TBC

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By cyrena, December 16, 2008 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment

Continued 2 of 2

Yours is the sentiment that seemingly ACCEPTS (and therefore legitimizes) the disproportionate influence that the US has been able to hold within the UN, in order to UNDERMINE the entire institution in favor of…yep…ISRAEL!!

Ender puts it very well right here:

By ender, December 16 at 5:11 am

•  “…Israel has more UN resolutions condemning it’s action that did Saddam Husein.  The United States has blocked any sanctions or concrete recriminations against Israel by the UN IN EVERY INSTANCE.  The US has used its position on the security council to make the UN powerless in regards to Israel…”

This is what I would call the reality that makes it difficult for some people (apparently you among them) to even understand what the UN is actually structured to accomplish. Otherwise, you wouldn’t view the Institution as the opposite of what it was intended; An administrator of international relations between member states, where equals are equals, because ALL member states share equal status within the organization. These international institutions were founded for the purposes of creating a professional and non-biased body to handle the inevitable disputes that arise between nation states, and to resolve them based on a system of international agreements and treaties that has been voluntarily agreed upon.

While it is tragic that the US political regimes have so often managed to obstruct these goals, (as in the case of protecting Israel) or violate them outright, (as in the case of the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive aggression) that certainly shouldn’t be a cause for claiming the entire system to be existent only to serve as a tool for the perpetration of US global hegemony.

THAT WAS NEVER THE PLAN!!

So I don’t believe for an instant that it was EVER the ‘intention’ of the Founders of the UN, to use it as a tool for US hegemony, (the very concept is internally irreconcilable). But I won’t deny that the US has managed to do that to varying degrees; primarily on behalf of Israel rather than in the furtherance of US hegemony. We use firepower for that, and obviously with or WITHOUT UN approval.

It also pains me to accept (though I do - at least intellectually)that so many people have had their own understanding of the real purpose of the UN distorted because of the actions of rouge nations among its membership; the US and Israel being the Twinset at the top of the list. Because..despite your own personal feelings about the organization, there are billions of world citizens who deserve the protections that the UN is mandated to enforce; mandates to protect civilians in warfare, and to prevent and punish genocides, and to assure such basics as the right to food, water, shelter, and everything else that a human being needs to survive.

You say that the horrific abuses in the Occupied Territories aren’t even the ‘business’ of the UN. So, who SHOULD intervene on behalf of millions and millions of world citizens subjected to the diabolical behaviors of State heads?

My argument is that the UN hasn’t done ENOUGH to enforce their Conventions and Treaties on genocide, and the plethora of other human rights abuses perpetrated by governments and other heads of states. That is because State Sovereignty reigns supreme in International Law, and that is exactly what abusive rouge states use to hide behind. Be that as it may, the International Community and its organizations are the ONLY entities that should be addressing these monumental concerns, and they would be far more successful at it, without the US and Israel undermining the very structure via their blatant lack of compliance, and corrupting influence.

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By cyrena, December 16, 2008 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

By MeHere, December 16 at 5:21 pm #

The bottom line is that the creation of Israel was a big mistake.
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MeHere,

Yes, the whole thing was a bad idea since proposed by Herzl in the 1890’s. Jewish nationalism is understandable as a reaction to pervasive anti-Semitism, but in the end it is as inimical to universal principles of democracy and human rights as any other form of ethnic nationalism.

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By tehpistolpete, December 16, 2008 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment

To suggest that all Palestinians act nonviolently might just be the most unrealistic solution of this conflict.  The fact that MORE terrorist attacks and retaliations aren’t being commenced, and haven’t in general the last thirty years; is already a huge feat of moral integrity and self-control.


If a group of Palestinian terrorists took a couple hundred Israelis hostage and deprived them of food, electricity, and aid; can you imagine what the United States would do? 

But when it’s the other way around, and even though it’s not a couple hundred, but rather over 1 million; everything’s okay.

By the way, applying the most basic moral rule of universality; defenders of recent Israeli actions would be the first ones to defend the Palestinian terrorists in that situation.

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By KDelphi, December 16, 2008 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

No one will get a balanced view, if they keep killing off, and, throwing out, journalists.

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, December 16, 2008 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

Colin 2626262 your dreaming if you think the world will ever get a balanced view of the Middle East,and in your words I know that for a fact.Google Who Rules America about media control,and please don’t associate me with any kind of hate group towards Jewish people,because Iam not.

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By KDelphi, December 16, 2008 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

Howard—did you even read the article? You may disagree with it, but, you shouldnt just ignore it, and then “write an opinion ” about it.

“For reasons that are not at all clear, Israel finds itself in the thankless role of being responsible for Gaza’s welfare, adequate supply of food, fuel and electricity.”

For “reasons that are not at all clear…”???


Are there not sacnctions, which make it impossible for Palestine to provide for itself? It is an occupation—Falk certainly says so, and now, he has been deported!This seems to happen over and over again with journalists, but, especially to US journalists who happen to be Jewish and disagree with what Israel is doing. What kind of theocracy is this??

“Occasionally, in feeble retaliation, Israel will slow the supply of fuel and electricity, though it never curtails the supply of food and medicine and routinely allows seriously ill Gazans access to its superb medical facilities.”

That is ceratinly not what the article says—do you have something to support what you are saying here??


Of course I know what “we” (the uS??) would do—-we commit war crimes all the time…that doesnt mean that we should. I know that you would prefer to bomb, but, despite that being a “tragedy of course”, the only problem you seem to have with it, is world opinion—WHY is world opinion so biased against Israel? Please do not say everyone is an anti-Semite, because that is not only not true, but, even if many are, can you at least consider that Israel’s treatment of Arabs has something to do with anti-Semitism? There are many Jewish people who decry what is happening in Gaza—what do you say to them?


I do not know why the Palestinaians “Arab cousins” (are not Hebrew people their “cousins ” also??) have not helped them more, but, not knowing any more than I do, I would suspect that it has somethign to do with the unconditional support that the uS gives to everything Israel does.

I am certain Arabs are fully aware of what happend when you piss off the US!! The US and other super powers (formerly, perhaps)call everyone they wish to attack “terrorists”, and call guerilla warfare, the war of the poor, terrorism. The rest of the world is very tired of it.

The article says that they do use the tunnels for supplies other than munitions. Who supplies most of Israel’s munitions? Hell, they still dont even admit, legally , to having nuclear weapons. So much for a “nuclear free” Middle East.

I think that you should back up some of your statements, or, at least, explain why you think that Hedges and Falk, and so many other honest journalists, wish to lie abaout it…

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By colin2626262, December 16, 2008 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment

There’s only one solution to this conflict.  There’s only one way for peace to be established between Israelis and Palestinians.  There’s no doubt, if this method is adopted, that it will work.  And it’s very simple:

The Palestinians must become completely nonviolent.

That’s the only way to end the occupation.  Israel’s supporters say Israel is a liberal democracy that respects human rights and only uses its military in self-defense.  Well, the Palestinians should put that to the test.  They should engage in mass civil disobedience of the nonviolent variety, which was so successful in India under British rule.  Also, there’s the example in our own country of the civil rights movement, led by Martin Luther King Jr.

As long as militants in Gaza are launching rockets, Israel, as well as the rest of the world, sees the Palestinians as terrorists, and that word justifies the most brutal repression.  Also, let’s be clear.  Some Palestinians, as in suicide bombers, really are terrorists.  They’re not freedom fighters, certainly not martyrs.  Nothing can excuse the deliberate murder of children.

You may say that the first intifada was largely nonviolent.  However, even throwing stones is an act of violence since there’s hatred behind the act.  Rashid Khalidi, a great defender of Palestinian rights, usually criticizes the lack of leadership and coherent strategy among the Palestinians. He doesn’t expect the Israelis to change their actions unless the Palestinians first change theirs.  That’s why there’s no need to be concerned if Israel continues with violence and repression.  That’s what we want.  The world will see the images, despite what people say about media bias towards Israel.

When Americans saw police dogs being sicced on little black girls in the south, the public was outraged.  Changes came about—but only through sacrifice.  The Palestinians, and anyone who supports them, must be willing to die, not willing to kill.  If this can become a mass movement, Israel will have no excuse for its actions, its killing, torture and oppression.

The world will see who the victim and the victimizer in clear moral terms.  So to repeat.  The Palestinians, meaning Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and any other group, should organize nonviolent resistance to perceived Israeli injustice, knowing that God (Allah) is on their side.

This is the only possibility, and I know for a fact it will bring results.

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By Howard, December 16, 2008 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

For reasons that are not at all clear, Israel finds itself in the thankless role of being responsible for Gaza’s welfare, adequate supply of food, fuel and electricity. Occasionally, in feeble retaliation, Israel will slow the supply of fuel and electricity, though it never curtails the supply of food and medicine and routinely allows seriously ill Gazans access to its superb medical facilities. When it occasionally does curtail fuel and electricity, the world complains about Israel’s “siege of Gaza.”

Some questions: 1) Who appointed Israel to be the guardian of Gaza and responsible for its welfare and comfort? 2) Why don’t the Gazans and their Iranian and Syrian friends use the sophisticated tunnels leading from Sinai to Gaza to import fuel, food, and medicine instead of explosives and weapons? 3) Why, in sixty years and in the decades before, when Egypt was in charge of Gaza, have the Palestinians been unable to build a functioning power plant that would make them independent in that respect? Surely their Arab cousins, could supply some of their abundant petroleum for that purpose.

Israel’s attempt to stop the shelling of Israel has so far been a failure. But what should Israel do? The answer is obvious: Israel should openly declare to Gaza and to the world at large that every rocket that falls on Sderot or on any place in Israel will immediately be responded to by a rocket aimed at where it came from. Since Gaza is packed with humanity, it is clear that such a tit-for-tat approach would cause many civilian casualties. That would be a tragedy, of course. But, it is pretty clear that the rockets would stop in short order. Sure, “the world” would object. But a country’s first duty is to protect its citizens from attack. That is what we would do. That is the very least any country would do.

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By MeHere, December 16, 2008 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

Chris Hedges’ article is a reminder of the dire situation many Palestinians are in and also of the absolute lack of attention the conflict gets in the US.  At the same time, life for Israelis is not great either. An Israeli said to me that at least 50% of the population would leave if they had a viable option to do so. There are groups of Jewish people who have opted to live in Germany instead of Israel. Israelis live under the threat of danger. They resent to be in the grip of orthodox religious groups in so many aspects of their lives. They also dislike to be in the grip of US politics and to be in isolation in terms of much of the world community.  Their kids are snatched by the army for 3 yrs. of service and they live in a permanent state of war. There is a lot of corruption in their government.  How has all this benefited Jews?

The bottom line is that the creation of Israel was a big mistake.  There is no question that it was a mistake born out of the inexplicable genocide of Jews by the Nazis.  It is humanly very understandable. But it was a mistake nonetheless, and mistakes have nothing to do with a particular ethnic or religious group—everyone makes or has made mistakes.  The foundation of Israel was based on the ideas of a number of European Zionist zealots who openly stated their position about the methods by which they would occupy the land: complete disregard for Palestinians who lived there for generations. Their ideas coupled with their alliance with Western powers took them into a euphoric path that didn’t take into account any negative consequences.  The experience of Nazi Germany should have been a reminder that extreme nationalism and weaponry do not build a successful society.

It is hard, maybe impossible, to come up with the right solution now.  There are too many things that work against it.  But I think that the first step towards a possible solution is to acknowledge the flaws inherit in the very foundation of Israel and the political organization that followed.  And in many ways, American Jews more so than Israelis,  have a lot of homework to do in this regard if they hope to help Israel in any meaningful way. 

As for the Palestinians, they don’t have many choices. They are suffering from many serious ills their situation has created over time—some even similar to their neighbors’ but magnified many times more.

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