Musclboy—I am not certain what you are talking about—honestly. I am not being “coy”.

I also, am not certain you are speaking to moi?

I did some research—it looks like Obama will keep Fitzgerald on. I dont know if he will. Neither do you. And, I dont know whether he thinks he is really stil “doing a good job” or not—-

he wont say. maybe it has somethign to do with the press saying that Jackson Jr. may have been working as an informant? I just dont know.

dihey writes:

“Speaking about wanting to be taken seriously! Cyrena, you are revealed!!!”

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Ah touche! What can I say. I simply couldn’t resist. (If it hadn’t been the “impossible to suffer’ Sue Cook, I’m sure I wouldn’t have bothered. )

At any rate, I don’t mind being revealed. Most here know when to take me seriously or not.

Free Obama

I’ve seen plenty of crap in the Chicago Tribune lately to make me think they’re not here to act as a member of the press quite perfectly, so few are these days, but maybe there to protect the neocon psychopaths.  There is some evidence that they are actually working against Obama which might include collaboration with the Bush Justice department, in less than lawful ways. 

There is plenty of reason for Obama not to allow Fitzgerald to continue in his post and it was just another point of concern that Chicago Tribune would ask him, prior to his taking oath, if he wants to keep Fitzgerald.  I think the intended implication by the Tribune was that if he rejected continuing with Fitzgerald it would somehow link him with the seeming political misdeeds of those Fitzgerald is prosecuting.  Of course there is every reason to believe Fitzgerald is fully on the side of the Bush regime.  Do your research, he acted feverishly during the election to pin something on Obama.

After all, the Republicons, whilst protecting all kinds of multi trillion dollar theft and horrific deceptions that have lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of US citizens and millions of Iraqis.  There members have beaten their wives nearly to death and molested boys under 16 with full backup support from the Republicons.  They never would consider to hire on Democratic leaning let alone Democratic attorneys clearly in the Democrats camp. 

Obama’s espousing proper and decent governance doesn’t mean actively adopting active members of the most crooked regime the US has known in it’s history.  I’m dead set against reaching across the aisle talk which is political-ease for “we’ve BS’d you for the entire election now we’re going to show you what we actually support.”  No: It’s now Obama’s job to tell these Bush neocon trolls in the press and in the republicon party that they have LOST!! The Republicon party isn’t even a national party any more it lost so bad this last election. 

Obama must be true to his words and that includes a complete overhaul of the executive branch, purging it utterly of Bush appointees and neocon filth of any kind directly or indirectly.  We need a truly clean start.

The new owner of the Trib might just be another Murdock neocon Bush troll of a sort? I hope not.

So much, from this “never-ending-war-neocon” set, is just carefully layered lies.  And no, we dare not say a thing about it dare we.  I think the American people are sick of a press pretending these people aren’t crooks.

Where or where is the true press we so desperately need?  Is the Washington Post now owned by General Electric, or just “working” with Newsweek? 

We are having a crime spree by treasonous miscreants, not just talking about crime but doing it.

I have no idea if what I just typed posted or not—it went “whooosh!”.

I have had several people try to explain to me “where it goes” when I accidentally hit a key!!

I tried the Ctrl-z- stuff

I never see the words again—-so , if it posted, I didnt finish…

sorry.

By cyrena, December 11 at 11:48 pm #

I here what you’re saying here Mr. Robinson:

By cyrena, December 12 at 8:34 pm #

So in Sue Cook’s lambasting comments of Obama, she writes this:

“If that don’t work,...”

Does your computer have a grammar check Sue? Maybe you should learn how to use it. Kind of difficult to be taken seriously when you can’t even flippin’ speak or write the language.

Speaking about wanting to be taken seriously! Cyrena, you are revealed!!!

Muscleboy__ I dunno—ever supportive of Obama FluffPo doesntt draw that conclusion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/10/obama-backed-fitzgerald-d_n_149956.html

Here is a transcript from the Chicago Tribune in December 2006.

“In a recent appearance before the Tribune’s editorial board, I asked Obama if he thought Patrick Fitzgerald should remain on the job. Yes, Obama said, ‘I think he’s done a good job.’ So, as president, would you reappoint him? ‘I think we’re jumping the gun on that. I would reappoint him,’ Obama said, then appeared to reconsider, adding, ‘Well, I don’t know where he’ll be.’”

And here is one from a Tribune editorial board meeting March 2008:

TRIBUNE EDITORIAL BOARD: When you were here several months, maybe a year ago, you said—either here or, I forgot, outside or where outside, I think it was right here in the room—that if you were, you know, that you would reappoint or seek to maintain Patrick Fitzgerald as the United States attorney… Given the investigations that are going on now, if you’re elected president.”

OBAMA: I think I said it here in the boardroom…I still think he’s doing a good job. Yes.

TRIBUNE: Would you keep him? And why would you keep him?

OBAMA: I think he has been aggressive in putting the city on notice and the state on notice that he takes issues of public corruption seriously.

Neither does CNN , nor Sen Schumer—I guess we will have to see whether PE Obama keeps him on, as he has said he would.

December 10, 2008
Schumer urges Obama team to keep Fitzgerald as U.S. attorney
Posted: 03:55 PM ET

From CNN Senior Producer Kevin Bohn

Schumer wants Fitzgerald to stay on.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — In the midst of a corruption investigation concerning Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, the incoming Obama administration is being urged to keep veteran U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald on the job.

Those doing the urging include Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, who sits on the Judiciary Committee. Fitzgerald’s office is heading the politically sensitive probe which is likely to continue for months.

“The U.S. Attorney for Chicago has a deserved reputation of being totally non-political and totally on the merits and a tough and strong prosecutor, and I think leaving it in his hands is exactly the right way to go. And I think all… that President-elect Obama and his incoming administration have to say is
just that — we are going to leave it in Fitzgerald’s hands because we have faith in him,” Schumer told reporters Wednesday after he met with Attorney General Nominee Eric Holder.

It doesnt sound like he is “trying to dstroy the Obama ‘revolution”’ to me…

Schumer said he knew of “no intention to remove Patrick Fitzgerald” from his job but has not been told he will be retained by any Obama transition official. “I don’t think there is any thought whatsoever of changing the U.S. Attorney in Chicago with these very, very troubling and important times,” he said.

But, perhaps you know better than Obama and Schumer…maybe you would do well to let Obama know!

Yes,Maani, I will be putting it all together more completely and coherently but that will take some time as I’m juggling a lot right now.

Whenever I leave posts, I do try to leave enough basic clues that you can find out elaborations of the truth on your own.  However I am guilty of compressing my conclusions somewhat excessively, which can make it tricky.

But with some effort you can discover, that Bush was using the Federal government in general and that included the Illinois prosecutors and FBI apparently, to aid the election efforts of John McCain.  That included rather public efforts to try to incriminate, yes actually incriminate, Barack Obama.  Fitzgerald tried to get people, such as Rezko, to talk, he figured they’d scare him to death with major charges, none of which stuck excepting for a couple very minor charges.  His crooked Bush troll plan failed.  But now I think they are still trying to weaken his Obama. 

With Bush and company you just have to think as super sicko as you possibly can then multiply it by ten or more.

maani—Well, it is, however, obvious who YOUR “guru” is…

Psaltseller-I may be missing something, but arent these two statements completely contradictory?

“The assumption that career politicians and political operatives have their own agenda, which they follow regardless of whose staff they inhabit, has no real basis in fact….”

“Nothing in Obama’s record indicates he would be that stupid. Time and again, he has stressed that the President sets Administration policy, in the same way that the Commander in Chief provides the objectives to be met by the military..”

Or, are you just saying that Obama is NOT a “political operative”? You are entitled to that opinion. But, he is a politician, is he not?

Muscleboy—What is a “Bush Troll Hat”, for frick’s sake??

Fitzgerald is WIERD!! Here is his blog profile:

47 year old male Capricorn
Location: U.S. Attorney On Assignment - WDC : Illinois : United States
Interests: Prosecuting evil doers, rugby, origami, 120 hour work weeks. Shouting “Faux Faux Faux, Merry Fitzmas!” as I pass out indictments..

I did not make this up…

Re:  Musclehead’s posts:  Huh?

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By Maani, December 14 at 8:21 pm #

ScreamingPalm:

If Nader were my guru, maybe I would take everything he says as seriously as some do.  He is not, and I do not.  Certainly he has his strong points and his supportable positions.  But I am not simply going to take what he says as some sort of “gospel truth.”

Peace.

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And you are of course free to do so. Perhaps I could understand your acceptance of Jones better with some counter arguements or specifics, but you are free to withhold those as well.

My aim was to explain my chagrin, hopefully I succeeded.

Muscleboy:

“Fitzgerald did nothing but try to incriminate Obama and shut down his revolution during the election.  It failed.”

I am sincerely interested here: can you provide some info re this?

Thanks.

ScreamingPalm:

If Nader were my guru, maybe I would take everything he says as seriously as some do.  He is not, and I do not.  Certainly he has his strong points and his supportable positions.  But I am not simply going to take what he says as some sort of “gospel truth.”

Peace.

Muscleboy, December 14 at 5:28 pm #

Take your Bush-neocon-troll hat off and realize your lies don’t work!!
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Right. So…in your pipe-dream all of my posts condemning Bush must be simply a ruse to try to get street-cred for REALLY pushing a pro-neo-con agenda.
Right….

And I’m the one with the tin-foil hat????????????????

I don’t think so!

Muscleboy—“Revolution”?? Are you serious??

Bush Troll Hats

Inherit the Wind: people like you are the tinfoil hat morons who fall for the ridiculous lies of the Bush-Neocon cabal.

Patrick Fitzgerald may well be a complete fraud.  He should have at least nailed Cheney and or Rove. The revelation of the name of a cherished agent working for us, was a horrible crime, damaging not just the agent but many innocent good people who may have been executed.  All he did was get one of the clerk typists for God sakes.  That is nothing but a sham.  Most likely the plan all along was for Fitzgerald to look like he was fighting the Bush cabal when in fact as it turns Fitzgerald is a Bush troll himself.

Fitzgerald did nothing but try to incriminate Obama and shut down his revolution during the election.  It failed. Fitzgerald’s treasonous misdeeds did nothing but waste taxpayer money and betray his office.

Fitzgerald was hired by BUSH!!  And Bush criminally fired 7 US prosecutors he had hired because they refused to work as his trolls.

Take your Bush-neocon-troll hat off and realize your lies don’t work!!

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By Maani, December 14 at 7:48 am #

screamingpalm:

Re James Jones, almost anyone who is chosen for any position is going to have positives and negatives.  That’s a given.  The question is where the balance lies.

For me, it is more important that Jones supports closing Gitmo, ending torture, and bringing the U.S. back in line with international law, including the Geneva Conventions and formally joining the ICC.

Peace.

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Agreed, and I really hope you are right. However, it sure is hard not to look at the Jim Jones pick in glass is half-empty view. This excerpt from an interview with Ralph Nader pretty much sums it up for me…

Quote:

“Well, Jim Jones is basically the representative of what President Eisenhower cautioned us about, the military-industrial complex. He is experienced. He’s clever. And now he’s in the White House. So the question is, who’s going to run what? Is Obama going to transform Jim Jones? Is Obama going to transform all these establishment appointees? Or are they going to, in effect, transform him, in contrast to his more liberal rhetoric?

It’s very hard to appoint people with fixed opinions, fixed constituencies around the country of vested power, and say, well, we’re going to use these to change America, because if they change, that will give great credibility, and that will offset the corporate power structure from Washington, D.C. You know, that’s never been done before, Amy. Usually, when you appoint people who have fixed positions, who have experience in set ways, who represent the power structure, they’re not about to be steered into a progressive path of hope and change by someone at the top in the Oval Office.”
- Ralph Nader

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/5/ralph_nader_and_medea_benjamin_on

Maani—Where did I say there WAS a person with all positves? I was trying to point out , that, while everyone is a ‘balance” of both, some seem to have more positives than others…

I do not think that is is extraordinary to expect that a person who would consider himself/herself suited to be president should obviously have an excess of postive qualities. Otherwise, why not just appoint another idiot from the South?

There just seems to be an abundance of people saying that we are “expecting too much”—I do not think that that is true. While alot remains to be seen, to say that you cannot judge a presidency by whom that person chooses to work with, is just silly. I didnt say that you said that, but, I think asking people to not be critical is asking too much.

To whom much is given, much is expected…

KDelphi:

“Are you saying then, that “balance” with negatives and positives would be better than someone with “all positives”? What would be wrong with all positives?”

I’ll tell you what.  You name a single PERSON - much less a politician (or, in this case, military man) - who has “all positives,” and if I cannot find - very quickly - legitimate “negatives” or “baggage” (or at very least, “concerns”) that person has - I will send you a $100 bill.

But I am quite confident that I will never have to do so, because there is no such thing as a “perfect” candidate, politician, military man or ANYONE ELSE, for that matter.  Political appointments are ALWAYS a matter of “balance.”

Peace.

Maani—Are you saying then, that “balance” with negatives and positives would be better than someone with “all positives”? What would be wrong with all positives?

It is a matter of “settling”, I believe. And, I do not believe we have much time left to do that…

If course, it is a matter of verbage—but I do not think it is too much to ask for a person who holds a representative office, effecting the lives of everyone on the planet, to have more postives than negatives…positives and negatives are, largely opinions.

Keeping the same people on is, well, NO CHANGE.

Balance. Preagmatism. These are not the words of “change”.

Everyone, everything in US politics is “bought”.

Come to think of it, everything in a “capitalist” country is bought and paid for.

If you cannot “buy and pay”—you simply do not exist to the powers that be.

To exist is to “consume”. “Progress”, “growth” and “efficiency” rule.

The governor seems a “little shaky” in the mental “health ” arena—-but he is certainly not alone!

HOW could he think that he, or anyone else could BUY a political position!!?? The audacity!! We have to “get rid of these bad eggs”—-all 555+ of them!

By Robert von Tobel

All this punditry BS is what “This Isn’t a Time” for. As for Blagojevich, he has acted like a bipolar in the manic state. Take Obama’s Senate seat himself and run for President in 2016? Really? What a joke!

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Blago sounds like he was simply in the middle of negotiating a deal; by starting out with a very unreasonable goal; that the other side would find unreasonable and seek a middle point to agree upon. it happens 24/7 days a week all around the world; it is not a crime, or a mental illness.

Frankly, Blago seems like an intelligent guy, and some may be jealous of his talents.

Inherit The Wind,

Kicker is, had Blagojevich said “political clout” instead of “money” there would probably be no crime. As long as there’s no monetary quid pro quo, it’s OK—just political mutual backscratching, which is politics and deal-making, not corruption.

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I think Blago is innocent as charged; because, his words sound more like self-sarcasm; a sort of anti-poetic reflection of the corrupt mirror of our political system, that he is struggling with as a guilty bystander.

He (Blago) being a product of a corrupt system; now by means of a conscience bothering him; actually proves his innocence; and leads to the probable guilt of Obama—because Obama seen it and felt and said nothing, and thus did nothing to “change” the system.

Ironically, history books will be written about how Blago was a hero for change; because—unlike Obama; Blago struggled with it.

screamingpalm:

Re James Jones, almost anyone who is chosen for any position is going to have positives and negatives.  That’s a given.  The question is where the balance lies.

For me, it is more important that Jones supports closing Gitmo, ending torture, and bringing the U.S. back in line with international law, including the Geneva Conventions and formally joining the ICC.

Peace.

cyrena, December 14 at 2:13 am #

Oh Crap!!! See what I mean??? Crackpots coming out of the woodwork. Jesus Christ!!
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Cyrena: welcome to my world.  TD is full of tin-foil-hat crackpots.

Obama says let the Law take its course.  That’s not good enough? For whom?

Patrick Fitzgerald is untainted by the Bush admin and their attempts to interfere—they tried to fire him, remember?  Now they are happy because he’s going after a Dem gov.

Kicker is, had Blagojevich said “political clout” instead of “money” there would probably be no crime. As long as there’s no monetary quid pro quo, it’s OK—just political mutual backscratching, which is politics and deal-making, not corruption.

Keith Olberman said Blagojevich must be the dumbest politician on the planet, then amended that because there’s still Robert Mugabe.  So he said Blago is the dumbest pol in the hemisphere!

By Libarchist, December 14 at 12:47 am

“..The Obama cult, goes all the way back to the African worship of the sun god (ritual)...”

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Oh Crap!!! See what I mean??? Crackpots coming out of the woodwork. Jesus Christ!!

People who espouse freedom and civil and constitutional rights should not be so quick to lynch people like this: remember innocent until proven guilty? 

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As a ultra liberal; I could not vote for Obama or McCain this election.

I did vote Democratic—in the state/local races in the 2008 general election.

I seen right through it; the hypocrisy of the change mantra, and the roots of the mob rule democratic politic (we are now witnessing).

The Obama cult,  goes all the way back to the African worship of the sun god (ritual).

In which,  a emotional fanatical mob would cut out the heart, of the an innocent person—and offer it to the gods; as a means to bring peace to the minds of the mob, or tribe.

This is really what is at stake —in this trial— is will the Obama cult have the freedom, to rule our democracy,  by fear of the mob… or will a true liberal democratic process prevail.

These are truly revolutionary times; if one reads between the lines.

No surprise that many people here seem to be more concerned with parsing words, grammer and the use of certain terms than the facts…typical.

I am not certain why people are surprised at all..I guess it wil take awhile to realize we are still governed by politicians!

I am truly amazed that people still think any of these politicians are not bought. I like Chicago—-but it is a political slamdance, and, anyone who rises through these ranks, is not squeaky clean, or they wouldnt be where they are…I dont really think anyone in DC wil be clean until we have public financing. (It is my OPINION, yes, that hthe means by which we finance campaigns is, in itself, immoral)Jackson Jr. got where his is by hard work, brains and his name. If you say its not tue, youre lying to yourself. Kennedys, Clintons, cmon, people…

I dont really care if someone tries to buy the seat or not. Everyone in DC is bought.I like Jackson, as politicians go, and I’d rather HE would have the seat than many others.

Actually, I’d rather he were the president elect, but that’s another story.

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By cyrena, December 13 at 10:19 pm #

So there’s no ‘nomination’ involved with Rahm, and Jim Jones has(so far) proven to be a perfectly fine choice for the position for which he has been tapped. That appears to be the case with most of the other selections Obama has made so far, based in part on how they’ve been received by the American public. (the ones who pay attention and know which people/positions do which jobs)

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Installed, implanted, forced down our throats…. whatever you want to call it. Jim Jones is an appalling choice, unless you are in favor of supporting the military industrial complex! He is also president and chief executive of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s Institute for 21st Century Energy, which has been under fire from environmental groups.

Sounds like a great pick! Way to go Obama! I suppose you also approve of William Gates?

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2008/12/3/amy_goodmans_new_column_chevron_in_the_white_house

Cyrena:

“In fact, from what can be observed to date, the Transition Team is already well into the operation toward advancing some of these priorities, in an across the board manner. They’re doing the grunt work, in terms of the health care priority, the need to keep people in the homes, and to provide employment, and education, and the needs to address the environment challenges and energy issue, and our dilapidated infrastructure.  In other words, they appear to be acting like professionals in a crises are SUPPOSED to act, and doing the things that they are SUPPOSED to do, to the extent that they can. And in the midst of the worst disaster since the Great Depression, that is one hell of an accomplishment, at least so far.”

I would add that PE Obama was under no OBLIGATION to do ANYTHING particularly substantial prior to his inauguration (except, perhaps, BEGINNING to choose his Cabinet).  The very fact that he has rolled up his sleeves to the degree that he has - appointing most of his Cabinet, planning roll-outs on the economy, taxes, infrastructure, education, Iraq, etc., and making fairly strong statements despite the fact that he has no “real” power, given that Bush is still the president - shows just how serious he is in at least attempting to keep to many of his campaign promises and plans.

Peace.

•  “…Then again I suppose it’s not too unlike the nominations of Jim Jones and Rahm Emanuel…”

Screamingpalm,

WHAT ‘nomination’ of Rahm Emanuel? Do you have a clue to what you’re talking about, or who does what in any given government administration? I’ll try to find you a flow chart. But in the meantime, Cabinet Posts are nominated by the President, and must be confirmed by the Senate.  Rahm Emauel has not been selected to a cabinet post by Obama, but rather as his OWN Chief-of-Staff. There are no ‘nominations’ for Chief-of-Staff, and such a decision is purely a presidential perogative, for WHOMEVER is in the office. It’s like, they choose their own crew chiefs, OK? Administrators NEED office and business managers. A smart politician/administrator is going to select whomever he thinks is gonna best serve his agenda, and keep the thing running smoothly. That’s what Chief’s of Staff do in the US political/government structure. (there’s probably even a job code for it in some old dusty volume somewhere).
So there’s no ‘nomination’ involved with Rahm, and Jim Jones has(so far) proven to be a perfectly fine choice for the position for which he has been tapped. That appears to be the case with most of the other selections Obama has made so far, based in part on how they’ve been received by the American public. (the ones who pay attention and know which people/positions do which jobs)

I have a personal concern about Hillary, but I’m willing to wait it out with the confidence that comes from knowing that it’s President-elect Obama’s agenda that will CONTINUE to be the focus. We already know what that agenda is, which is why the majority of American’s voted for him. To date, he has NOT given any indication that he intends to abandon his consistent priorities, despite the additional and so far uncharted territory challenges of a financial collapse.

In fact, from what can be observed to date, the Transition Team is already well into the operation toward advancing some of these priorities, in an across the board manner. They’re doing the grunt work, in terms of the health care priority, the need to keep people in the homes, and to provide employment, and education, and the needs to address the environment challenges and energy issue, and our dilapidated infrastructure.  In other words, they appear to be acting like professionals in a crises are SUPPOSED to act, and doing the things that they are SUPPOSED to do, to the extent that they can. And in the midst of the worst disaster since the Great Depression, that is one hell of an accomplishment, at least so far.

It’s FAR, FAR, FAR too early to ‘judge’ how any of these people will perform at these tasks, because they haven’t gotten to the actual controls yet, and because the collapse is no longer hideable behind lying politicians, specifically George Bush.

So people have finally come out of their denial and shock to assess the reality and mourn. (That would be the “used- to -have lots- more- than- they –do- now’s” since the rest of us have been living this nightmare for a long time now.) Even the ‘last to know’ finally know what deep shit we’re in, even though they obviously don’t have a clue as to how or why. (which is exactly why they’re ‘the last to know’.)

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By Blueboy1938, December 13 at 4:52 pm #

At an event last night amongst some very conservative folks, all I heard was that he’s making the right moves, in their book, to put an administration together that is well-equipped to deal with the financial debacle that is affecting them deeply (one person had a 50% asset loss!).  Good work!
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If you were being sarcastic, thank you for the laugh! If not please explain why Rubin, Summers, etc should get this promotion considering they were major players in this mess to begin with. Perhaps they [Rubin and Summers] know better than anyone else why the economy is in the shape it is?

Then again I suppose it’s not too unlike the nominations of Jim Jones and Rahm Emanuel.

Holding President Elect Obama to a higher standard of national policy and security is only natural.  He said to do that.

But holding him to a higher standard of PR is BS, if you’ll pardon my expression.  He deplored it and didn’t know anything about it:  Too parsed.  He is sure that none of his transition team engaged in deal-making in this outrageous matter:  Not good enough, yet.  He is dumbfounded at the idiotic acts and calls for a resignation:  Ahhhhhhh, just about right, BUT delivered TOO LATE!

Poppycock!

He’s busy with far more important things than addressing the shenanigans of an aging schoolyard bully to make himself rich and infamous.  Let the man do his job, as he has so excellently been doing so far.  At an event last night amongst some very conservative folks, all I heard was that he’s making the right moves, in their book, to put an administration together that is well-equipped to deal with the financial debacle that is affecting them deeply (one person had a 50% asset loss!).  Good work!

First Let’s Get a Press that doesn’t Act as the Support Squad for Deceptions

Obama needs press that doesn’t press for the Defense Industrial Complex as it’s main real objective. 

Mr. Robinson, I’m not sure that has anything at all to do with real change.  I mean real change is for Obama to fight the system and the Republican dirty tricks you seem to enjoy being a part of. Fitzgerald spent a good part of the election working with the Republicons to try to incriminate Obama.  That is a major felony for Fitzgerald to have done so, a major betrayal of his office.  NOT JUST TALK BUT ACTUAL PHYSICAL FELONIOUS MISDEEDS.

The fact is the prosecutors action of having the governor arrested at his house at 6 am was brutal and very typical of his Bush troll status.  He’s done nothing but terrorize people in Illinois who’ve done things like support Muslims.  No real crime to speak of just support decent Muslims.  That’s part of the “war on terror” BS that the defense industrial complex owned media continually speaks out about.  Obama has done nothing wrong and no Obama shouldn’t provide anything more than he already has.

Fitzgerald most likely was bribed by Dick Cheney not to continue his pseudo legitimate efforts at actually fighting for the interests of the people of the USA.  He now is just doing his job and arresting someone who may have somewhat out of control mouth but he certainly has not done anything criminal whatsoever in all the 5 years of the unconstitutional FBI surveillance. 

Not once.  That is a fair indication that he never had any such actual intention.  IT WAS TALK ONLY!!!

I you first need to work on becoming an agressive member of the legitimate press.  This country is dying for lack of things like a press.  Let’s start a revolution and stop deceiving the American people, shall we?

“None of this is likely to hurt Obama in any material way or even dim the glow of his victory and upcoming inauguration.”

With a crook like Blago, everyone he talked to between the election and the arrest seems to become tainted simply by the fact they talked to him about it.

Emanuel, Obama and so many other “guilt by association victims are being lined up for a revenge trashing from the book-cookng, no-bid CEO-managed right wing media that we (Da BLOGS!) beat up on so thoroughly during the past two elections. 

Along with the rest of the cast of innocent victims getting drawn into this Blago cesspool, Jesse Jackson Jr. in a striking example of someone who’s worthy of much more respect than the media is giving him. He’s been dignified and eloquent throughout this historic campaign, now he’s getting dragged into this mess simply by implication.

The wingnuts are going to dance around this little bonfire for months to come. Little wonder, since it’s the only pupil dilating news to hit the airwaves since the elction was finished.

So in Sue Cook’s lambasting comments of Obama, she writes this:

“If that don’t work,...”

Does your computer have a grammar check Sue? Maybe you should learn how to use it. Kind of difficult to be taken seriously when you can’t even flippin’ speak or write the language.

Emanuel: I’m Getting Death Threats Over Blagojevich Scandal

Obama’s Chief of Staff Delayed Going to Work Because of Media Stakeout

By MATTHEW JAFFE
Dec. 12, 2008

“The president-elect’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, said today he wouldn’t go to the Chicago presidential transition offices in order to avoid reporters trying to ask him whether he had contact with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich about the Senate seat vacated by Barack Obama’s election.
Chief of Staff Refuses to Go to Work Because of Media Stakeout

Emmanuel, the President-elect’s chief of staff, said today he won’t go to the Chicago Presidential transition offices in order to avoid reporters seeking to ask him whether he had contact with Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich about the Senate seat vacated by Barack Obama’s election.

A spokesman for Emanuel said he later showed up at the office, apparently able to sneak out of the house without being seen by reporters waiting to ask him questions.

Meanwhile, late today a spokesperson for Emanuel confirmed in an email that an Associated Press story saying that he is not a target of the investigation is “accurate.” Questions remain, however, over his contacts with Blagojevich and his staff, and Emanuel has still not said whether or not he’s been contacted by the FBI for questioning.

Back at his home, Emanuel appeared “beet-red,” according to an ABC News cameraman who was invited inside by Emanuel to use his bathroom this morning.

“I’m getting regular death threats. You’ve put my home address on national television. I’m pissed at the networks. You’ve intruded too much, ” Emanuel said, according to the cameraman.
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An aide for Emanuel said late Friday afternoon that Emanuel did not make any remarks about receiving death threats. “While we appreciate this camera man’s active imagination, this report is inaccurate,” said Sarah Feinberg. Responding to Emanuel’s comments, ABC News went back and double-checked with the camera man and we stand by the story.

Emanuel has refused to comment as to whether he is the un-named presidential adviser cited in the FBI affidavit filed in the Blagojevich case. “You’re wasting your time,” Emanuel told a Chicago Sun Times reporter yesterday. “I’m not going to say a word to you. I’m going to do this with my children. Don’t do that. I’m a father. I have two kids. I’m not going to do it.”

Asked, “Can’t you do both?” Emanuel replied, “I’m not as capable as you. I’m going to be a father. I’m allowed to be a father,” and he pushed the reporter’s digital recorder away, according to the Sun Times account.

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald says there is “nothing in the complaint” that implicates President-elect Obama but the affidavit suggests someone from the Obama camp was in touch with Blagojevich or his aides, if only to tell the Governor that Obama would not offer anything but “appreciation” in exchange for the Senate appointment.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/ConductUnbecoming/story?id=6449745&page=1

Obama and his staff ...

1. ... really knew nothing (I know, not likely).

2. ... were party to the FBI case in some way, and revealing that could blow the cover on some other ongoing case(s).

3. ... were familiar with how ‘business’ is done in Illinois, chose to overlook that, but do not want to seem complicit for doing so.

4. ... were knowledgeable and involved in some way that either implicates them or raises even more questions than a more detailed explanation would satisfy.

I would hope that #2 is the case and that we will see more corruption exposed. In any case, the President Elect has a lot to deal with right now and taking time to defend his staff’s involvement with this scandal is exactly what the right wing would like, in order to stall any progress on his agenda.

You have to wonder why there is so much political corruption and white collar crime these days.  One answer is the apparent decline of the “empire” and the need not to the last one off the bus; the second, and probably the more critical is that the punishment does not fit the crime.  Political corruption and white collar crime felons rarely get what they call hard time in a high security prison, but rather easy time in a minimal security institution with quite a few perks including conjugal visits.  And what’s more you get to keep pretty much of what you have stolen even with the assessed fines.  Not bad for a couple of years with three hots, a cot, a computer, a gymnasium maybe even tennis, and once a week a nice fuck with your wife and/or lover!  Gee, can I make a reservation??!!  Don’t forget that the judges who pronounce sentence are themselves “politicians”, either elected or appointed who know, when they look at a defendant, except for the “grace of God” go I.

Since when does the Huffington Post quote a source from Faux News?

What’s the big deal Eugene?

Obama isn’t doing anything different in this crisis than he did during the election.

The “me too” candidate, (Obama,)simply waits to be shown the way by others before he simply agrees with them. (hence, me too.)

He plays it safe and cautious as to not make any mistakes when he’s not sure how to handle the situation. Typical of him.

If that don’t work, then he relies on his pretty speeches to dazzle his way out, or he holds a press conference and “me too’s” his way out after being shown the way first.

His inexperience is showing, and that’s ok. Someone should tell him that it’s ok to make mistakes being new.  It’s normal, but, by playing it safe and cautious and sometimes having an arrogant nonchalant attitude whenever uncomfortable situations arise, he appears phony and makes one wonder if he truly is ready to hold a job where crisis’s happen almost on a daily basis.

Rahm Emanuel Gave Blagojevich List Of ‘Acceptable’ Senate Candidates: Report

The Huffington Post   |  December 12, 2008 09:55 AM

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“President-elect Barack Obama’s chief of staff Rahm Emanuel had direct conversations with Gov. Rod Blagojevich about Obama’s replacement in the US Senate, FOX News Chicago reports.

Citing “a source familiar with the investigation,” Fox says that Emanuel had “multiple conversations” with Blagojevich and his chief of staff John Harris, who was also arrested Tuesday on federal corruption charges, about the seat and that they we’re “likely recorded and in FBI possession.”

Fox’s source said that Emanuel gave the governor’s office a list of “candidates that would be acceptable to President-elect Barack Obama” but no “quid pro quo” or “dealmaking” is suspected.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/12/rahm-emanuel-gave-blagoje_n_150517.html

“...had no involvement with deal-making” sounds pretty clear to me.  Deal-making, Mr. Robinson.

As far as Blago is concerned, Politics 101 clearly lays how to be a successful politician in America and not get caught being one.  Obviously, Blago was out sick the day the professor covered and-not-get-caught-being-one. (What tales could be told if court-ordered wiretaps were standard practices covering all politicians.)

The question to be answered is whether Obama will be able to don Reagan’s Teflon suit!!

Who held the Repug’s feet to the fire as Corruption and Criminality swept their party. Do I have enough ‘characters’ left to list them all? Can I just sum them up as ‘Bushies’?
Funny how the Repugs are granted a pass when it comes to disassociating themselves from their cohorts- yet Dems are considered some kind of Orgnaized Crime Syndicate….something the Republican party has proven repeatedly of Being!Shit Cheney could Walk away from Libby without so much as a scratch!! “Cloud of suspecion’ my ass, It was more like Noah & the Ark!
Why is it ‘Exec’s’ are granted the benefit of assumed non involvement, yet labor is always considered conspiratorial?
Of Course CEO knew nothing about his #2 dealings, But those Union workers are out to undermine America?
I have no doubt those various CEO’s in the same industry (or rlated industries ) KNOW exactly what their Cohorts are up to- they must to be able to compete or provide their ‘services’...Remember the tumble of Enron,leading Anderson…Cross Industry criminality.
I agree with Olbermann that Blogo’s crimes have acertain amount of ‘quaintness’ to them. In fact, It kinda makes me laugh since it makes him look like a Dumbass too.
Yes his actions would have some effect, but not really to the nation. It would be an IL issue really.and in comparison to the numerous crimes which this Admin and their merry band have committed against our Rights and around the World, Blogo’s antiquated tactics are a Joke!
I have no intentions of requiring Pres elect Obama to pay for sins committed by others and OUR lack of engagement- for the last 8 yrs, or 40. Suddenly we are now going to raise the bar of accountability to feel better about our own past complacency?
I’m not busting The Obama teams Balls Until after I get Justice From the Bush Admin’s High Crimes- Treason,war Crimes and crimes Agaisnt Humanity TRUMP this BS.
I respect your attempt at being ‘objective’, but this must be put in the context of recent history to be truely objective. We need not search for another to throw on the Pyre, when we have so many stacked up and ready to go now!
this may be why the Repugs have been able to commit so many high crimes, we are so busy chasing the J Walker, we miss the Murders. Democrats are more demanding of our Public servants who wear our Logo. The Right seems elated when they find out one has disgraced or defaced their party…Oh they open their arms for forgivenss, or they chant the denials and proclaim unjust persecution. Dems seem to take their own ‘to the wood Shed’- As it Should Be in a Democracy. Not necessary pre judged Guilty, but ‘spanked’ for the appearance and resulting public distrust and disruption in your duties.
So if the nation is willing to believe Cheney had nothing to do with Libby’s criminal Activities (or any others committed over the last 8 yrs, 3 decades), I am fine believing Obama had nothing to do with Blogo.
We have bigger Fish to Fry than trying to make connections which really are of little consquence on a National level or Global level.

Governor B. won’t go to prison for talking or thinking of bribes. The feds pulled the trigger before they had the “Goods” on Who?? Obama needs to set the stage for his administration now. Will it be business as usual? Or will he publicly take Axlerod to the woodshed and have him explain what he meant on FOX when he said “He talked to the Governor”. Truth has the shield of Invincibility . Lies bait bigger lies.

Everyone knew Blagojevich was dirty, even his interns. In 2006 10% of Illinois voters voted for Green Party gubernatorial candidate Rich Whitney, an intelligent man with an excellent plan. If more voters had chosen the best candidate instead of the one with D next to his name, Illinois and Obama would have been spared the embarrassment of this disgraceful politician imploding before the nation’s eyes while trying to, uh, uh, make some f-in money selling that motherf-er’s senate seat.

The good news: Rich Whitney will be running again in 2010. Dump the machine, vote clean and Green!

Sorry that was over the top but I think I made my general point.  I humbly retract my unfortunate remarks of your character as I do admire you very much. I didn’t even notice your name until after I hit send. 

My points still stand though, everyone is acting as if out of the clear blue sky the isolated incident of the governors arrest occurred with non of the clear harassment campaign preceded it just by coincidence during elections most heated phase.  There is much more going on here, this may even be some kind of set up to other things yet to come by the Republicon dirty tricks.  I don’t know.  But the Governor has made no substantive action and I’m quite sure if you tapped many other peoples phones, and listened to their living room chats you might find all kinds of other portended crimes being proposed. “I WANT TO RIP DICK CHENEY’S HEAD OFF.”, might be one example someone angry at gas prices might say.

Think about it all in it’s entirety it makes no sense as it is being presented.

I here what you’re saying here Mr. Robinson:

“…In handling questions about the arrest of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich—for allegedly trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama’s Senate seat to the highest bidder—Obama has gone strictly by the book. His statements have been cautious and precise, careful not to get ahead of the facts or make declarations that might later have to be retracted.
For most politicians, that would be good enough. For Obama, who inspired the nation with a promise of “change we can believe in,” it’s not.

HOWEVER, it’s gonna HAVE to be ‘enough’, because in all sincerity, ‘going by the book’ actually IS a huge change, and IS in keeping with his promise. You said it already here. He’s been cautious, precise, (attorney almost always are, and by now we should all know that ‘Caution’ is really the first part of Barack’s middle name) and “...CAREFUL NOT TO GET AHEAD OF THE FACTS…”

Be that as it may, I can understand some of us wanting or expecting to hear more from him, since this is an issue regarding his old seat, and of course his home state.  But, I don’t honestly know what more he could do or say, beyond what he already has.  In fact, that may very well be why he offered Jarret a job as an adviser in the white house. In other words, an ‘appointed’ rather than an ‘elected’ position. That way, they can just fill the position without any input from him, just as they will need to do in other states like New York, or Delaware. (who’s going to fill in for Biden?) It’s not like he’s got some special powers as president elect or president, to simply fire the guy, and I don’t know what more he can do besides the echo of the call for Blagojevich to resign.

I know, I know, you say this…

•  “The normal thing would be for Obama’s staff to talk to Blagojevich’s staff—and, unless prosecutors have asked him not to, I don’t understand why Obama hasn’t stated this simple fact…”

But…that’s more of the criticism for what he HASN’T said, (rather than what he has) without anyone being sure that there even IS anything more to say.  This is just an assumption that there’s more to say, instead of waiting to see if there is or not.

Meantime, I don’t know why what he’s said so far isn’t ‘enough’, when it would be for ANY OTHER politician, when the STANDARD (for politicians) for the past several years has been to say nothing for as long as possible, and then lie blatantly when forced to come up with anything.

You know what? This looks very much like Bush and his kook crooked cohorts may just have payed off the prosecutor and got him to stop at Scootaboot Libby and forget about Dick Cheney and Bush’s treasonous revelation of a top US government treasure of a CIA agent.. Her life and career don’t matter to people like you right?  She represented the best of the USA people like you are trash next to her.

Now one more favor they wanted from mr prosecutor: SHAKE DOWN EVERTHING CONNECTED TO OBAMA IN CHICAGO AND TRY TO KEEP HIM FROM GETTING ELECTED OR GETTING ARRESTED FIRST.  THAT FAILED.  FITZGERALD TRIED LIKE HECK BUT ***FAILED**.  HE ONLY GOT THE VERY LESSOR COUNTS IN ACTUAL CONVICTION AND NO CONNECTION TO OBAMA BECAUSE THERE WAS NONE!!  NOW HE ARRESTED A SEATED GOVERNER FOR BLOWING OFF STEAM WITH HIS CLOSE ADVISORS IN HIS ON HOME AND BLOWING OFF STEAM ABOUT SOME DETRACTORS AT A NEWSPAPER. THAT WAS IT!!! AFTER FIVE YEARS OF SPYING ON A PRIVATE AMERICAN THEY ONLY HAVE SOME CHIT CHAT IN HOME TO SHOW FOR IT NO ACTUAL PAY TO PLAY OF ANY KIND.

It all stinks to the heavens. I don’t know this is true obviously and hope against hope it isn’t.

Listen: Obama has done everything right and good (except keep on a couple of the Bush trolls).

HOW ABOUT GEORGE W BUSH’S EFFECTIVE THEFT OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND MASS MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR NOTHING BUT HIS CRIMINAL AGENDA??? HOW ABOUT THAT??? HUH!!!???