If the idea is just more “poor pools”—just leave it the f*ck alone! HR 676 is, I guess, for more civilized countries. We just cannot doo single payer—-we dont care about each other enough.

Many here have been treated in/lived in countres with single payer. If the Dems dont do it when they have have all 3 checks, they can go straight to hell…I cannot think of a single reason for a progressive to be a Demn anymore.

It is a human right. Sen. Obama said we would all “get a chance to get the same care as Congress”—what, are he and Daschle and Co. going to go on Medicaid? Or, when will we get single payer?

Or, did he just lie?

The way to solve the health insurance problem is to treated it like other insurance policies where there is a pay out limit.  That way insurance would be affordable——you get what you can afford and when you run out either you pay out-of-pocket or go into bankruptcy and then onto medicaid.  With an upper limit to pay out people would be more selective in their medical treatment.

Economic and Financial troubles are NOT fig leafs to cover the nakedness of Obama’s proposed health insurance policy!

Our lack of a system of socialized medicine speaks volumes of us as a people and a nation.

We are a cruel and uncaring lot, so stuck on our lifestyles of keeping up with the Jones’s that we gleefully look the other way as our neihbors children and grandparents cannot afford to go to doctors.

If we are not all willing to row together, the american experiment is doomed. Instead of looking at capitalism as a tool, we have prayed to it like a demigod. Now the selfishness that accompanies the free market is eating away at our national soul like some socio-economic malignancy. We have rode this gravy train until the bisquit wheels wore off. If we do not institute a sweeping social welfare system soon, it will be too late, and the dream of america will whither and die.

Then again, that just might be the catalist for change we so desperatly need.

The #1 solution to the health problems today: do away with all the Corporations that rule with & run the politicians in this country. The poison in the toothpaste did NOT come from China: it is in everything that is put into the items people buy in the USA today: simple, fast, effective, efficent; do away with the FDA who is in coherts with the criminals who are lawbreakers who claim to be lawmakers: LOOK at Iceland, Denmark, England, Japan, country after country GOVERNS by social need; NOT by individual & Corp GREED; Pharma’s get 600,000 xs the cost of meds; politicians get their fair share & more of it; YET: the PEOPLE pay Corps taxes now? They, the people, who were NEVER meant to pay taxes at all but the PROFITS from REGULATED BUSINESSES were to pay for all roads, schools, etc; SEE how the same folks who ran the plantations BOUGHT OUT the polical (supposedly) 2 groups? And as 1 senator said: it is run just like a plantation; where the SOLE PURPOSE of the “slaves” is to make THEM RICH! And they do it by taking the health, taking their wealth, & always claiming “we have no $” because it has been able to deceive the people for years. THIS is NOT a “force for good” which was fabricated BS set up to “fool” the people. The it is either THIS corrupt & criminal way of doing things they claim is “freedom” or COMMUNISM; WRONG: the deliberate harmful acts & violence (deliberately harming & killing millions for profit) is violence in my opinion; check out the # of infant deaths related to the use of formaldehyde in THIS nation for decades! #1.; by POLITICAL PARTIES for THEIR OWN AGENDA on citizens who do not morally deserve it is THIER definition of terrorism. THEY are the very ones responsible for all of it folks; & it is going to get a great deal worse not better.

Well , it seems everyone here is on board for single payer health insurance , so now what ? The ( gag ) healthcare insurance industry is going to be lobbying hard and spending money like water buying politicians to make sure it doesn’t happen . Obama’s plan isn’t even close to single payer and nothing is even being discussed that would cut out the middle men who syphon off more than 30% of healthcare dollars for profit and overhead . Any suggestions anyone ? Oh , Felicity , we’re not 35th anymore , we’re now 37th , right behind Columbia , we’re now two spots behind Peru .

HR676 single payer is medicare for all; Obama’s plan is NOT.  We need to axe the insurance corporations, keep the employers out of it, and institute it alongside a truly progressive tax model that will be fully enforced (and won’t have millions of loopholes for the rich.)

Anybody else see an “echo” of what’s going-on here these days (with all the “market turmoil” and “frozen credit” and “unemployment” and “mortgage foreclosures” and “two wars” and “global warming” and media-made crisis-upon-crises, on-and-on, ad nauseum) with the meant-to-be “perfect storm” of discomfort and terror Ed Harris’ character brought-down upon Truman’s head when that Holy Fool finally made a break for freedom from his life-long inmate-hood?  As the rule-of-fear breaks-down, those who want to keep ruling by fear are pulling-out all the stops, in a desperate and vain attempt to prevent their Human captives from escaping the confinement that’s been so “profitable” for the few….and so devastating to the very Humanity (not even to mention the lives) of the many.

Is it just this old Savage, or does it strike others here as utterly insane to expect that a “system” of ruthless exploitation that is itself the orgnically functional equivalent of a “global” disease (it’s owner/operators prefer it to be called “civilization”) can somehow be made to produce healthy “individuals” (themselves a “sub-species” already badly deformed at-birth, and horribly handicapped for-life….without Medicine not available to them within the confines of their “benign”(?) institutionalization)?  Anyway, the ubiquitous term “health care” invariably refers almost exclusively to the delivery of medical attention….and the Pandora’s Box of chemical-weapons which that used-to-be “last resort” mainly consists of today.

Granted, it IS a free wild WORLD out here beyond the shrinking razor-wire boundaries of the domesticated peoples’ virtual counterfeit.  There are no “guarantees,” no “rights,” no “privileges,” no “entitlements,” no “retirements.”  Of course there are no rabidly “competing ideologies,” either, nor any “national security” police-state apparatus.  No self-selected (and perpetuated) “ruling-class” will be deciding “what’s best for” the arbitrariuly designated “lower” orders, or forcing compliance with their wishes and whims.  Nobody “rations” anything here.  Health is not a “commodity.”  Neither is knowledge nor anything else essential to our well-being as Living Tiyoshpayes.

Out here there is free wild Humanity abiding within the integrity of our given organic function within the Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth within the Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself.  Our Relatives are glad to provide all we need to stay whole and healthy….and all we pay is our precious attention.  Yet there are still those among our tame Sisters and Brothers who can’t understand why we refuse to surrender the vital rigors or our Way for the diminishing half-life they are “enjoying” less-and-less theirownselfs these days.

Go figure.

HokaHey!

Article quote: “With unemployment soaring, the need grows daily for guaranteed health care. But that may not happen in the coming year because of the desperate need to revive the economy and put people to work.”

There isn’t any VALID reason to “back-burner” healthcare.  All the necessary components are already there.  HR. 676 has been sitting out there forever (or so it seems).  All we need is a simple VOTE.

The ONLY naysayers to single-payer are the insurance companies.  I think they’ve killed enough people the last couple of decades to once and for all rescind their assassin’s license.  Insurance companies ARE desk murders.  Make no mistake about it, they construct their glass and metal shrines to conceal and deflect from the flesh and blood cost of their hideous trade.  Their advertising eschews a protected condition for you and your family, yet their deeds are in direct opposition to it.

As peddlers of death and suffering insurance companies want your earned as well as your tax dollar to continue to murder your friends, neighbors,fellow citizens and yourself with the simple stroke of the pen or click of the mouse.  They like to use the non-threatening terminology “claim denied”, whereas a more realistic phrase would be “suffer or die”.  DEMAND SINGLE PAYER.

Single payer is ALREADY PAID FOR.  From Nader’s site:

“Studies show that savings from a single-payer system would be more than enough to provide universal coverage for the same amount that we are now paying. In 2001, a federally funded study of single-payer universal health coverage, prepared for the Office of Vermont Health Access by the Lewin Group, found the state could save more than $118 million a year over current medical insurance costs-and still cover every Vermonter.”
http://www.votenader.org/issues/social/healthcare/#66007

“I (Nader) also support a crackdown on billing fraud and abuse – which the Government Accounting Office has estimated costs the nation about 10 percent of our entire healthcare bill – or over $220 billion year.

With these savings, we could provide Medicare for all.”
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/02/25/its-a-no-brainer/

There are hundreds of groups and millions of Americans supporting single-payer.  Check out this list from Healthcare NOW:

http://www.healthcare-now.org/petition/endorse/

Another budget area where Obama could find dollars is the “war fund”.  We don’t need these monies to provide healthcare for all.  Although these monies would be well spent if reallocated towards the economy.  The military-industrial complex is a glaring example of bloated expense and waste of taxpayer dollars needlessly creating more death, suffering and disease.  This would easily fund the “economic issues” we face.

The attempt to CLAIM that these issues can’t be dealt with for one reason or another is A LIE.  This is just their sleazy way of letting you know that they are not on the side of The People, and is merely a way to project themselves as “concerned” when in fact they haven’t any intent to address these issues in a responsible manner.

DEMAND SINGLE PAYER.
You’ve already paid for it, you just didn’t get it.

Seems to be a concensus here that the insurance business has to be kicked out of the health-care business, and I heartily agree. 

As it now stands, this country ranks 35th world-wide in the quality of its health-care.  Quality is the operative term here because the myth is - completely nuts - that a health-care system without the intermediary of the insurance business guarantees the death of “the best health-care in the world.”

It’s a moral choice. We (in most countries, even Mexico)expect the fire and police departments to be equally available to all. What’s the difference with healthcare? Cost. What is an acceptable price for morality?

How about going all the way to the reagan tax cuts ? That was where the seeds for the current mess were sown . A truely sensable stratagy would be to go back and simply reverse all of reagan and bush policys , especially the tax policy , that would be a good start in getting us back on track . Enjoying the weather KDelphi , a bit damp but at least it’s not freezing .

Fund it with the reversing of the Bush tax cuts, and, skip the middle class $1000 bribe.

If we had natl health care, GM would save a third on the cost of every vehicle. Mopre and more people will be being laid off, with more and more pensions and retirements being dropped—-we need universal health care more than ever.

But, I never really expected it to happen. Obama never promised it, and, Daschle doesnt advocate it. Well, Obama proposed it for Illinois…but he got alot of money from the health care industries.

The instrance companies need to go into another line of work, like the war profiteers, making money denying people life. We cannot afford natl care if we keep the insuracnce co profts.

What it boils down to is an attitude—is health care a basic human right (as the UN says), or is it not…if it is, we must do it. We are ridiculously far behind more civiized countries on this. It is past time…

HR 676—what, you think Conyers and Kucinich dont have a “plan”? PDA, PNHP, and, almost all progessive gtroups back it.

If it doesnt cost $850 billion—-we can do it..the question is a matter of desire to do it. That huge “stimulus pkg, the Big 3 bailout, Wall St. bailout”—-everytime I hear that we cannot afford it (bull) I think of these. It is a matter of priorities..until we spend more money saving lives than taking lives…we will have no “change”.

If ” universal healthcare ” means continuing to allow 30% plus overhead , 1.2 billion dollar saleries to HMO CEO’s such as was paid to the CEO of United healthcare and layers of bureaucrats whose job is to find ways to deny or delay coverage , I say , no way . We need to take the profit out of the system . As long as healthcare is run on the profit motive it won’t work . There needs to be firm limits on executive compensation and overhead . Single payer is the best way , if they won’t go there then there needs to be solid government regulation from top to bottom and everyone should be covered period . Other countries can do it and so can we , but first they need to cut the lobbists out of the picture or nothing will get done .

I live in a country that has national health care and there is a certain tax percentage that is taking out of personal income to help pay for health care. This brings certain equality for all citizens. It works in a small homogeneous country.

Most countries who have a national health care program have started it already 50-60 yrs ago.

If Obama is looking for a national health care system, how would he fund it? What about the insurance companies? Multiply hard questions that he and whoever heads it will have to solve.  The very best to you.