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Posted on Nov 8, 2008
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President Bush as he makes a statement about the economic bailout bill and financial crisis on Sept. 30 at the White House.

By Robert Fisk

Editor’s note: This article was originally printed in The Independent.

American lawyers defending six Algerians before a habeas corpus hearing in Washington this week learned some very odd things about U.S. intelligence after 9/11. From among the millions of “raw” reports from American spies and their “assets” around the world came a CIA Middle East warning about a possible kamikaze-style air attack on a U.S. navy base at a south Pacific island location. The only problem was that no such navy base existed on the island and no U.S. Seventh Fleet warship had ever been there. In all seriousness, a U.S. military investigation earlier reported that Osama bin Laden had been spotted shopping at a post office on a U.S. military base in east Asia.

That this nonsense was disseminated around the world by those tasked to defend the United States in the “war on terror” shows the fantasy environment in which the Bush regime has existed these past eight years. If you can believe that bin Laden drops by a shopping mall on an American military base, then you can believe that everyone you arrest is a “terrorist”, that Arabs are “terrorists”, that they can be executed, that living “terrorists” must be tortured, that everything a tortured man says can be believed, that it is legitimate to invade sovereign states, to grab the telephone records of everyone in America. As Bob Herbert put it in The New York Times a couple of years ago, the Bush administration wanted these records “which contain crucial documentation of calls for a Chinese takeout in Terre Haute, Indiana, and birthday greetings to Grandma in Talladega, Alabama, to help in the search for Osama bin Laden”. There was no stopping Bush when it came to trampling on the US Constitution. All that was new was that he was now applying the same disrespect for liberty in America that he had shown in the rest of the world.

But how is Barack Obama going to repair the titanic damage which his vicious, lying predecessor has perpetrated around the globe and within the U.S. itself? John F Kennedy once said that “the United States, as the world knows, will never start a war.”  After Bush’s fear-mongering and Rumsfeld’s “shock and awe” and Abu Ghraib and Bagram and Guantanamo and secret renditions, how does Obama pedal his country all the way back to Camelot? Our own dear Gordon Brown’s enthusiasm to Hoover up the emails of the British people is another example of how Lord Blair’s sick relationship with Bush still infects our own body politic. Only days before the wretched president finally departs from us, new U.S. legislation will ensure that citizens of his lickspittle British ally will no longer be able to visit America without special security clearance. Does Bush have any more surprises for us before 20 January? Indeed, could anything surprise us any more?

Obama has got to close Guantanamo. He’s got to find a way of apologising to the world for the crimes of his predecessor, not an easy task for a man who must show pride in his country; but saying sorry is what – internationally – he will have to do if the “change” he has been promoting at home is to have any meaning outside America’s borders. He will have to re-think – and deconstruct – the whole “war on terror”. He will have to get out of Iraq. He will have to call a halt to America’s massive airbases in Iraq, its $600m embassy. He will have to end the blood-caked air strikes we are perpetrating in southern Afghanistan – why, oh, why do we keep slaughtering wedding parties? – and he will have to tell Israel a few home truths: that America can no longer remain uncritical in the face of Israeli army brutality and the colonisation for Jews and Jews only on Arab land. Obama will have to stand up at last to the Israeli lobby (it is, in fact, an Israeli Likud party lobby) and withdraw Bush’s 2004 acceptance of Israel’s claim to a significant portion of the West Bank. U.S. officials will have to talk to Iranian officials – and Hamas officials, for that matter. Obama will have to end U.S. strikes into Pakistan – and Syria.

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Indeed, there’s a growing concern among America’s allies in the Middle East that the U.S. military has to be brought back under control – indeed, that the real reason for General David Petraeus’ original appointment in Iraq was less to organise the “surge” than it was to bring discipline back to the 150,000 soldiers and marines whose mission – and morals – had become so warped by Bush’s policies. There is some evidence, for example, that the four-helicopter strike into Syria last month, which killed eight people, was – if not a rogue operation – certainly not sanctioned by Washington or indeed by US commanders in Baghdad.

But Obama’s not going to be able to make the break. He wants to draw down in Iraq in order to concentrate more firepower in Afghanistan. He’s not going to take on the lobby in Washington and he’s not going to stop further Jewish colonisation of the occupied territories or talk to Israel’s enemies. With AIPAC supporter Rahm Emanuel as his new chief of staff – “our man in the White House,” as the Israeli daily Maariv called him this week – Obama will toe the line. And of course, there’s the terrible thought that bin Laden – when he’s not shopping at U.S. military post offices – may be planning another atrocity to welcome the Obama presidency.

There is just one little problem, though, and that’s the “missing” prisoners. Not the victims who have been (still are being?) tortured in Guantanamo, but the thousands who have simply disappeared into U.S. custody abroad or – with American help – into the prisons of U.S. allies. Some reports speak of 20,000 missing men, most of them Arabs, all of them Muslims. Where are they? Can they be freed now? Or are they dead? If Obama finds that he is inheriting mass graves from George W. Bush, there will be a lot of apologising to do.


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By sam brown, November 16, 2008 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment

A little more:

``Andrew Wilkie ... is a former [Australian] soldier and intelligence analyst who resigned from the Office of National Assessments (ONA), an Australian intelligence agency, in March 2003 over concerns that intelligence was being misrepresented for political purposes in making the case for Australia’s contribution to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

``Wilkie trained at Duntroon (1980-84) and rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel (1999) before transferring to the ONA. He joined the Young Liberals while a cadet at Duntroon, and after graduation and being stationed in Brisbane, he became a member of the Liberal Party [John Howard’s party. Howard was PM at the time; the Liberal Party (conservatives) were in power]. Wilkie has reportedly since let his membership lapse.

``In the run-up to the 2003 Iraq war, the Australian, UK and U.S. governments were asserting that intelligence reports showed that Iraq held weapons of mass destruction. Wilkie resigned at this time, claiming that the reports did not support such claims and in the years since his resignation, no valid evidence supporting the pre-war claims of weapons of mass destruction has ever been found.”

More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wilkie

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By Folktruther, November 15, 2008 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment

Thanks for the posts on the Indonesian and London false flag operations, Maani and Sam Brown.  The only way we can piece them all together is if everyong reports what he knows.  Apparantly the Bushite false flags were a world operation.

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By Tony Wicher, November 15, 2008 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment

Dennis writes:

“..In this writers opinion the Bush’s administrations goal was to take this country into such debt that there could be no money left over for future administrations to develope any progressive programs for years to come. They believe ,with some sense of evidence,that most all social programs would fall on the chopping block in order to finance the military budget even if Dem’s were in the white House….”

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I agree…with this as well as your good wishes that Obama can deal with this. It’s really like nothing we’ve ever experienced (as Americans) in our own lifetimes. Specifically, the determination of the Dick Bush Regime to take this country into a debt from which we could never recover. At least not in any traditional form.

I would go even further and say that it was not so much a determination to run us into debt, as much as it was a determination to STEAL everything they possibly could, of the US Treasury, and use us as the ‘institution’ by which to launder all of the trillions they’ve pilfered that way. I mean, who’s gonna pay back China and all of the other people/nations in the world who own us?

So indeed, this was all very intentional and well planned. I call it the Greatest Heist in the history of the US, right behind the original theft of North America in it’s entirety, from those who had occupied it for thousands of years. I can admit though, that it’s really even worse than *I* thought it would get, and I’m pretty realistic. I’ve also acknowledged this rapid decline a lot sooner than most of the people I know. (many of whom are only just now beginning to realize that things aren’t looking so good in River City.) I don’t even wanna think about a whole other industry collapsing and turning that many more people out in the street. But, we’ve been watching that for 8 years now, so it should scare the beejesus out of all of us.

Then again, I guess that’s the problem. We ARE scared. More like TERRORIZED!! This is the real terror…the collapse.

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By Tony Wicher, November 15, 2008 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

By sam brown, November 11 at 4:00 pm #

Thanks for this informative post. It dovetails with my view that elements of the CIA combined with Cheney’s black ops people helped Osama bring off 9-11 (as well as the subsequent anthrax attack on Democratic offices in the Capitol.)

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By Maani, November 15, 2008 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

Tony:

LOL!!  But I would add: isn’t subverting the Constitution in at least half a dozen ways pretty egregious as well?!

Peace.

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By Tony Wicher, November 15, 2008 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

Re FENWICK, November 13 at 6:41 am #


Heard yesterday on Dem. Now, one of Obama’s legal adviser said that only the most egregious crimes should be pursued.
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Well, blowing up the World Trade Center and sending anthrax to the office of Tom Daschle are pretty egregious, don’t you think?

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By sam brown, November 15, 2008 at 4:52 am Link to this comment

Folktruther,

``On global exchange, the argument was made that the Indonesia explosiion [Bali bombings, 12 October 2002] that killed many Australians [88 among 202 innocent people murdered in cold blood all up] ... was a CIA false flag operation to influence Australian opinion in favor of the Iraqi war.”

This was more or less confirmed in a story on Dateline (Aust) on the 3rd anniversary of the bombings [12 Oct, 2005].  There’s little doubt the bombings were sanctioned by the Indonesian gov, your secret service mob (with perhaps even some knowledge of what was about to transpire known to the Australian intelligence community and gov itself), and former Indonesian president Abdurrahman Wahid, referred to as an “eccentric” because he won’t endorse the official line didn’t hold back saying: ” ... The proof is that the bomb is similar to that belong to the police.  It’s a problem for us then.  Every bomb there until now it belongs to the government.”
http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/inside_indonesias_war_on_terror_130582

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By Dennis, November 14, 2008 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment
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You get the feeling that from the direction in which the economy is taking , the cities will be in big trouble, unable to provide basic services without an infusion of fed. financial support. The question arises where will this money come from?
I think that the blow back on this situation could reach a level that the public will turn into a neo vigilante movement. This could force the Dems.
[obama]to take action to ease tensions from the feedback coming from the local municipalities.  this a result of raising high unemployment levels, along with possible, shortage of adequate funding of schools and teacher shortages which could cause consolidation and over crowding. It just seems to this writer the ingredients for fomenting big trouble, causing unrest . People will not starve quietly!
The auto comp’s. are on the brink of going into bankruptcy with all the pain and hopelessness that will arise from the loss of jobs and self worth.
Were talking 300,000 possible lay offs just in the Mich. ,Ohio, and Indiana area alone in direct unemployment. They’ll receive unemployment insurance maybe. That is if the Fed. Gov. can cover such a onslaught of expenditures. This doesn’t even speak to the secondary and ancillary markets associated with the big three. Maybe as much as three million unemployed. Where are they going to get this money?
The American people will demand justice from those who were responsible for this calamity. I can see a possibility of The Government being forced into criminal sanctions toward those that are responsible.

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By Maani, November 14, 2008 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther:

Re the Spanish train bombings, are you aware that the London bombings WERE a “false flag” operation? This was proven by the fact that a private firm was conducting “interagency response exercises” that included bombings at the EXACT four stations that were hit, at the EXACT time that they were hit.  This was reported in multiple media outlets.

As for Spain, it would not surprise me at all that those were “inside jobs” as well.

Peace.

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By Folktruther, November 14, 2008 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

Convicting a few people of isolated crimes doesn’t do it.  The Bushite era has fundamental transformed our manner of governance, and this must be recognized publically before any significant change can occur.

On global exchange, the argument was made that the Indonesia explosiion that killed many Australians among others was a CIA false flag operation to influence Australian opinion in favor of the Iraqi war.

I talked to a Spanish scientist last week, who considers himself a conservative, and he told me that the population of Spain suspect that the explosion on the train that killed another 100 or so people was a CIA false flag operation.  He did himself.

It has just been revealed that US murder squads are operating in a number of countires which have been kept secret.

The US power system is a criminal, corrupt, and obsolete system.  Although criminal trials are necessary, they are far from sufficient.

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By oldog, November 13, 2008 at 6:03 am Link to this comment

If we want to help President Obama change the direction of our nation, we need to expose the mis-direction of the last administration. It seems obvious that certain high ranking policy makers in the Bush administration (primarily Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rove, Libby, Addington, Gonzales, Yoo, and countless others) conspired to break constitutional law routinely in order to maintain a ‘permanent neo-conservative administration’ that almost succeeded in destroying our democracy.

Their actions went far beyond political policy into the realm of organized crime. A full congressional and judicial inquiry is needed to bring there actions (many hidden behind the walls of national security) into the public eye. The cult of secrecy that cloaks many government actions only fools the American people, and endangers our democracy. Our enemies already know most of what passes for national security, we are only fooling ourselves.

This is the responsibility of congress and the courts, not the new executive. It’s high time we held our representatives feet to the fire, and demanded a public accounting. This crisis is so big that only a joint effort of the entire nation will be able to solve it. The recovery of the American economy and reputation will never happen without a public understanding of the actions that lead us into this mess, while prosecution of the perpetrators will keep us from repeating it in the future.

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By Dennis, November 12, 2008 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment
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I think Bush, and lets not forget the operations Dir of the White House Mr. Deferment himself, Dick Cheney,knew exactly what they were doing, by finding a war where they could get their base to support them.
In this writers opinion the Bush’s administrations goal was to take this country into such debt that there could be no money left over for future administrations to develope any progressive programs for years to come. They believe ,with some sense of evidence,that most all social programs would fall on the chopping block in order to finance the military budget even if Dem’s were in the white House.
It certainly will be interesting to watch what Obama will do after taking office. If he doesn’t bring charges against the Bush regime, then Bush wins. The conservatives will have a perscription to neutralize the Dems in the future. If President elect Obama doesn’t provide for the welfare of the people he will be a one term president.
  I wish him well!

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By sam brown, November 11, 2008 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

Pt.1

“C’mon: we found Hussein in a hole in the ground in a tiny village.  Are we then to believe that the Navy SEALS and Army Rangers - any dozen of whom could take over a small country - could not locate one man?  Poppycock!”

Maani, thanks. 

From page 137-138 of Tarpley’s book:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2005/07/317436.pdf

The CIA was quick to deny these embarrassing facts reported by real investigative journalists, who apparently still exist in France. A spokeswoman at CIA Langley, VA headquarters described the Le Figaro article as “complete and utter nonsense. It’s nonsense, it’s absurd, it’s ridiculous, it’s not true.” The CIA said it intended to protest to Le Figaro. The American Hospital in Dubai denied that Bin Laden had been a patient. (The Scotsman, November 1, 2001) But the French author Richard LaBevière countered that Osama Bin Laden had been working for the CIA since 1979, a fact which was generally accepted in Europe. (October 31, 2001) Radio France International stuck to its guns and followed up on its story with further details about Bin Laden’s CIA handler and case officer, Larry Mitchell: “The local representative of the CIA who visited Osama Bin Laden last July 12 [2001] at the American Hospital in Dubai is called Larry Mitchell. If his visiting card specifies that he is a “consular agent,” everyone in Dubai knows, especially in the small expatriate community, that he is working under cover. To say it openly, Larry Mitchell belongs to the ‘big house’, otherwise known as the CIA. He himself does not hide it.” RFI went on: “An expert in the Arab world and especially in the Arabian peninsula, Larry Mitchell is a colorful personality who livens up the somewhat drab evenings of the expatriates of Dubai. One of his friends likes to say that his natural exuberance often gets into classified matters. That is perhaps one of the reasons why he was called back to the United States last July 15 [2001]. About twenty days after the September 11 attacks, in a statement dated October 5, the CIA dismissed as baseless rumors the story that the agency had had contacts with Bin Laden and his group in the past, especially at the time of the war against the USSR in Afghanistan. It happens that this communiqué of the CIA is in complete contradiction with the earlier official statements of several representatives of the US administration itself.” (http://www.rfi.fr/ 1 Novembre 2001)

It is thus clear that the CIA was providing vital support services to Bin Laden long after he had allegedly turned into the world’s leading anti-American monster. The reality is that Bin Laden and al Qaeda have never stopped serving the CIA strategic agenda, whatever that happened to be. As Thierry Meyssan writes, “In reality, the CIA continued to have recourse to Osama Bin Laden’s services against Russian influence as it had done against the Soviets. You don’t change a winning team. The ‘Arab Legion’ of Al Qaeda was used, in 1999, to support the Kosovar rebels against the dictatorship in Belgrade. It was also operational in Chechenya, at least until November 2001, as was attested to by the New York Times. (Michael Wines, December 9, 2001) The alleged hostility of Bin Laden against the United States permitted Washington to deny responsibility for these dirty operations.” (Meyssan 2002 106-7)

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By sam brown, November 11, 2008 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

Pt.1a

In a discussion of the impact of the anonymous Imperial Hubris CIA tract during the summer of 2004, the Washington Post provided a succinct summary of al Qaeda’s strategic services to the CIA: “Al Qaeda’s camps were staffed by veteran fighters who trained insurgents who fought and trained others to fight, not only against the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, but also against national armies in Indian Kashmir, Chechnya, Uzbekistan, Eritrea, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Tajikistan, Egypt, Bosnia, western China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Macedonia, Kosovo, and the Philippines.” (Review of Anonymous, Imperial Hubris, Washington Post, July 11, 2004) Notice that all these states were or are targets of US destabilization. And even this list is far from complete; it leaves out Libya, for example.

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By sam brown, November 11, 2008 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

Pt.2

The Iranian press also noted the strange affinities of al Qaeda for figures who were clearly still on the US payroll. While panning the 9/11 commission report, the Teheran Times observed that none other than KSM, “Khalid Sheikh Muhammed, the reported mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, was a longtime associate of Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, a leader of the Afghan Northern Alliance and current ally of the US-backed Afghans president, Hamid Karzai.” (Teheran Times, July 27, 2004)

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Bin Laden ‘plans new attack on US’ - November 10, 2008
http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/world/bin-laden-plans-new-attack-on-us/2008/11/10/1226165435339.html

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By Folktruther, November 11, 2008 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

As I say, Mud, you make a good argument.  Hippy Pam it requires decades of talk before the people rise up and demand their due.  but in support of your justified impatience, I’m going to hold my breath unitl I turn blue.

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By Maani, November 11, 2008 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

Hippy Pam:

PLEASE UNDO YOUR CAPS LOCK.  THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT.  WE KNOW HOW ANGRY YOU ARE.  THANKS.

Peace.

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By hippy pam, November 11, 2008 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

So we all Talk..Talk..TALK…When WE-THE PEOPLE-Should be DEMANDING-NOW-That these persons…Rove-Cheney-Lay-Bush-AIG….ALL OF THE THEIVING LIARS WHO GUTTED OUR JOBS AND THE TREASURY along with taking THE LIVES OF OUR CHILDREN AND SOLDIERS….I THINK “BULLSH*T” KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE IS DOING AND HAS DONE.HE KNOWS THERE IS NO WAY HE WILL EVER BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY CRIMES.HE KNOWS THAT HE AND HIS FRIENDS ARE UNTOUCHABLE…BECAUSE WE-THE PEOPLE-ARE IMPOTENT….all we do is blah-blah-blah…...

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By mud, November 11, 2008 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

Okay, fine. Mr. Bush is a completely delusional imbecile and his “rapture bound” supporters out do even George’s delusional machinations. But he got your money didn’t he. He got your civil rights. He got your military. He got your bloody government, Nancy off the table Pelosi included. He got almost everything he wanted delusional or not.

Sure it’s not over yet. We may still be able to “send a message” by parading George around in an orange suit. But considering the fact that Mr. Paulson is currently draining the life blood of America into the New World banking order and the crookedest of the crooks are gorging themselves on your money, it doesn’t bode well. It doesn’t bode well when the justice system continues to imprison petty thieves and recreational drug users, while protecting mass murderers and multibillion dollar white-collar thieves.

Maybe the real situation is just too depressing and that’s why we resort to labeling the most successful transfer of wealth and power in the history of the planet as the work of a delusional person. But doesn’t that sound delusional.

I do like that photo of W. Hopefully someone can Photoshop it and add an orange suit and a noose. Just make us feel better.

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By Alan, November 11, 2008 at 10:10 am Link to this comment
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Well, when the presidential immunity
is over in January, are Bush and Company
finally subject to civil suit and criminal
prosecution?

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By Folktruther, November 11, 2008 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

Mud, you make a good argument that Bush doesn’t have a delusional bone in his head.  But there is a question of proportion here.

It is quite true that he has gotten away so far with stealing billions of dollars, tens of billions, HUNDREDS, in plain sight with Dem leader acquiescence. And he has broken laws, the most sacred American laws, with impunity.  And of course his lies have been repeated by the media as if they were true or reasonable. 

But can this continue when he is no longer in power?  Obiden and the imperalist Dems will protect him as much as they can,  but even they have limits.  And the Bushites were probably complicit in the 9/11-antrax homicide. It may not seem so but even the American media has limits to what they can ignore.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Bushites were indicted for something, like not having their shoes shined right or something like that.  That is no doubt why Bush has bought his fortified Estate in Paraguay.

And you forget that although you can argue that the leaders knew precisely what they were doing-which I don’t think is true- what about their followers who will rise in the Rapture.  Kevin Phillips estimates at least forty percent of Bushite support was that of religious loonies. 

But if you consider the geo-strategy of Rumsfield and his minions, it would be hard not to agree with the noted British historian Hobsbawm that extreme megalomania was operating here.

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By GW=MCHammered, November 11, 2008 at 9:02 am Link to this comment
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re: By mud, November 10 at 10:49 pm

My (wonderful) ex suffered spartan delusions. She rallied great numbers to support the drama betwixt her ears. Had she offered financial rewards, she could have rallied the state. But as with all things too-long neurotic, she and others crashed into reality wall. The responsible <u>always</u> clean up after the irresponsible.

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By mackTN, November 11, 2008 at 7:48 am Link to this comment
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Impeachment!??

Let’s drop this sad plea.  Bush ought to be arrested, thrown into the pokey, brought in orange overalls & handcuffed before a judge—in D.C.—and charged with war crimes and criminal incompetence in bush v the people of the U.S.A.

We know that this administration is shredding and concealing like mad.  No telling what the Obama admiistration will be told about Bush once he gets into office.  Bush has every reason to cry.

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By Tony Wicher, November 11, 2008 at 1:22 am Link to this comment

By mud, November 10 at 10:49 pm

“After 8 years of successfully raiding US good will, US human rights and the US treasury, W and friends are set to walk away free, wealthy and “honorable” men. Nothing at all delusional about getting away with setting us up for the the greatest depression in history and the implementation of that New World Order his dad talked about.”

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Well Mud, you’ve definitely got a point here. Guess we never really thought he was delusional at all. The Bush Doctrine is the Bush doctrine after all.

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By spiritual humanist, November 10, 2008 at 11:54 pm Link to this comment

Just wanted to mention that i was watching C-Span Books last night and there was Obama at an nyc barnes and noble circa 2005 discussing Dreams of My Father.  He said that he believes in “american exceptionalism”.  I found that to be incredibly telling.  Perhaps one would need to hold that mindset in order to bother to run for president.  But i think it is at the root of hedgemony. 

Something like Christian exceptionalism and its centuries of evangelical vigor that was/ is the justification of so many infamous acts.

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By mud, November 10, 2008 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment

Bush’s Delusions? Bush’s Delusions?? What!!!

Robert Fisk takes the delusional prise for writing this pantiewaste crud.

Delusion = A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence.

Was W delusional for thinking he could get elected twice? Well no I guess not because he got away with it didn’t he.

Was W delusional for thinking he could take the nation into a war it didn’t want or need? Well no I guess not because he got away with it didn’t he.

Was W delusional for thinking he could get democrats to go on signing blank checks for his BS war even as voters wanted US out ASAP. Well no I guess not because he got away with that too didn’t he.

This could go on and on but I bet you get the point don’t you Bob. Bush does not have a delusional bone in his chickenshit little body. George W. Bush has been thoroughly validated by getting his pro corporate neocon way in almost every instance from 9-11 to the present.

After 8 years of successfully raiding US good will, US human rights and the US treasury, W and friends are set to walk away free, wealthy and “honorable” men. Nothing at all delusional about getting away with setting us up for the the greatest depression in history and the implementation of that New World Order his dad talked about.

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By 911truthdotorg, November 10, 2008 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

9/11: More than meets the eye

http://www.journal-online.co.uk/article/5056-911-more-than-meets-the-eye

Richard A. Falk is Professor of International Law and Practice at Princeton University, and an appointee to two United Nations positions on the Palestinian territories

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By Anarcissie, November 10, 2008 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther: ‘Oh, sure Anarcissie, American imperialism predates Wilson to T Roosevelt that McCain admires so much.  But the Bushite regime institutionalized VIOLENT imperialism, the violence partially supporting Likud Zionism rather than the American power structure.  Including the murder squads that the US has been putting in Muslim countries, according the yesterday’s NYTimes articles.’

As I am sure you know, that kind of thing didn’t start with Bush 2.  The U.S. has been doing violent imperialism throughout most of its career, and certainly right along through the 20th century and now the 21st.  Clinton allegedly killed more Iraqis than Bush, according to we-think-it-is-worth-it Albright.

Granting that Obama has more of a nerd than a jock mentality, can he resist this instutionalized impulse to militarism and police state-ism? ....’

Not without some help.  In regard to which, Obama may be tempted to be like Bush, but he sure doesn’t want to look like Bush.  Thus it’s time to be planning anti-corporatist, anti-war and anti-repression actions.  Don’t wait till January 21st.

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By mendez, November 10, 2008 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

“Sorry but this is wrong…the power of the Pardon is extremely broad and virtually unlimited.  The President can pardon anyone for any crime for any reason. The Constitution does not limit it in any way other than prohibiting a pardon from impeachment, about which it is explicit.”

The people always have the option of upholding the Constitution by several means.  If the people shut the economy down, march to the White House and refuse to accept what has been done, they are doing what the law demands.  Don’t expect any part of the legal system today to uphold what is right. Be prepared to fight if you want to hold onto your rights.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 10, 2008 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

When Ford pardoned Nixon, an illegal act if there was collusion and there was certainly collusion, it was the downfall of this nation.
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Sorry but this is wrong…the power of the Pardon is extremely broad and virtually unlimited.  The President can pardon anyone for any crime for any reason. The Constitution does not limit it in any way other than prohibiting a pardon from impeachment, about which it is explicit.

“and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

That’s extremely broad powers….so people could fuss about Ford’s pardon for Nixon, but there wasn’t thing one anyone could do about it.

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By Rogelio, November 10, 2008 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

Our credibility has been destroyed by eight years of lies and deciet. The Obama adminstration will undoubtedly bring some respectability. Unfortuantely, his/adminstration hands will be tied as a result of “w’s” failed policies. This is my wish list for the Obama admistration:

1. Get out of Iraq, nation-building has proved to be a failure. Let the Iraqi’s or a coalition of willing nations to deal with the quagmire that ‘w’ created.

2. Close Guantanmo Bay! What an embarassment to a nation that prides itself on justice and right to a fair trial. We always complain about China’s violation of human rights, but we easily forget human rights abuses at home.

3. Stop the indiscriminate bombing in Pakistan. How are we going to win this war on terrorism when we are killing innocent people? When the nation kills innocent people, they are paving the way for more terrorist via hatred of U.S. policy. The terrorist do not hate Americans. The terrorist hate the failed foreign policy of the U.S.

4. Start a “reasonable” dialogue with North Korea and Iran. Iraq has not invaded/attacked another country since the days of Darius. Korea, well, was it not the U.S. that attacked them in 1950? Negotiation and a good neighbor policy is the way to win over the world.

5. This will not happen, but, how about an “apology” to the innocent victims of the war in Iraq.

6. Finally, President Obama must demonstrate that he is not an arrogant, stubborn, know-it-all, puppett that was the hick from Texas who supposedly joined the national guard (documents as to his status unknown) to stop our nation from the invading Vietnamese army, and who will go down in history as the WORST president EVER.

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By mendez, November 10, 2008 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

The moron factor aside, justice must be demanded unless we want to repeat the last eight years.  When Ford pardoned Nixon, an illegal act if there was collusion and there was certainly collusion, it was the downfall of this nation.  Those who are now singing the feeling sorry for Bush blues make me puke.  I have not a shred of sympathy for him, his family and those who followed him and, worst of all, the media he carries in his hip pocket.  I would hope that anything short of justice is met with fierce opposition in the form of a revolution.

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By Bosfarcal, November 10, 2008 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

“There is some evidence, for example, that the four-helicopter strike into Syria last month, which killed eight people, was – if not a rogue operation – certainly not sanctioned by Washington or indeed by US commanders in Baghdad.”

Hold it! Stop right there.

Yes, the Bush presidency has been disastrous and all. One hardly needs to argue that. But do you honestly expect me to believe that a special ops mission inside a foreign country, which probably depended on spy satellite images and live video feeds from Predator drones, was carried out by a rogue military unit in Iraq? That is as nonsensical as the Bin Ladin shopping mall sighting you criticize in your article.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 10, 2008 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

mendez, November 10 at 11:20 am #

Those talking impeachment are hoping to move the center of the argument.  I don’t give a rat’s butt if Bush is impeached, but I do expect an indictment against him and others responsible for the crimes he committed during his reign.  I wish the dumb asses who simply can’t figure out how it works would just shut up and leave it to the people who truly understand the Constitution and want justice.  Get the bastards in front of a Grand Jury and indict them for crimes against humanity.  Get Bush sworn in and get Tenet sworn in and let’s get some answers about why the intelligence was fixed and let’s see what we’re going to do about it.  Those morons who can’t figure it, shut up already.
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I agree, except it’s still a semi-free country and if morons want to talk, so be it.

However, if Bush has a lick of cunning left he will issue BLANKET pardons to everyone in his administration who will keep his/her mouth shut after 20 Jan as long as they won’t go to jail for anything they did from 2001 to 2009.  “I do not recall…..”  He may even be able to issue himself a blanket pardon—the legal scholars and the USSC would probably have to work that out.  Ford’s pardon of Nixon shut down all governmental investigations.

However, there is a catch: Presidential pardons have no force outside of the USA.  They all can still be tried at the International Court of Justice.

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By RWallace, November 10, 2008 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment
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I don’t know, without becoming to philisophical, I think he looks like an ordinary psychotic.  I would give anything to simply put him in front of a monkey so that it may throw its feces at him - on camera of course. 

I have never hated anything so much!!!  Isn’t he the most hated person on the planet?

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By mendez, November 10, 2008 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

Those talking impeachment are hoping to move the center of the argument.  I don’t give a rat’s butt if Bush is impeached, but I do expect an indictment against him and others responsible for the crimes he committed during his reign.  I wish the dumb asses who simply can’t figure out how it works would just shut up and leave it to the people who truly understand the Constitution and want justice.  Get the bastards in front of a Grand Jury and indict them for crimes against humanity.  Get Bush sworn in and get Tenet sworn in and let’s get some answers about why the intelligence was fixed and let’s see what we’re going to do about it.  Those morons who can’t figure it, shut up already.

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, November 10, 2008 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

Fahrenheit 451 wrote:  “Obviously you don’t know what your talking about.  Are you a moron?  Good engineers embody the breadth of a broad expanse of imagination and thinking outside of the box.  Good engineers are always exploring the outer limits of thought, experience, and possibilities.  Not your cloistered, limited, bound, parameters of thinking.  You need to get out of your prison of thought and belief.”

I’ve clearly touched a nerve here.  From your response, I think we can infer that either you’re a “good engineer” and have taken offense at my generalization or you’re a Christian civil engineer who suspects he has limitations but nevertheless bridles at the suggestion from others.  Certainly, not all engineers are as I have painted them, but the majority that I know are.  I think your closing remark is very telling with regard to which kind you are.  Honestly, Fahrenheit 451, “...prison of thought and belief.”  That could’ve come straight off one of those evangelical pamphlets commonly left in gas station restrooms.  But it’s not unexpected that you would express yourself in such a way.  After all, engineers tend to lack imagination as well.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 10, 2008 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

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“With AIPAC supporter Rahm Emanuel as his new chief of staff – “our man in the White House,” as the Israeli daily Maariv called him this week – Obama will toe the line.”

When we see statements like this, what are we to think? ...

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My suggestion is to think that the writer is a crazy, conspiracy-fantasist wearing to tin-foil hat so “they can’t read my brain waves!”

Rahm Emmanuel’s job is to exercise President Obama’s will, even when he doesn’t agree with it.  He’s also to ensure that the Dems in the House don’t go nuts with everyone’s pet programs.

Louise,
NOBODY is going to impeach Bush and Cheney. Nobody, least of all Nancy Pelosi. Why?
1) It would take months, like the last one did.  Bush and Cheney are going to be gone in just over 2 months anyway.
2) No lame-duck Congress is going to impeach a sitting President unless there is a HUGE consensus in both houses to do so.  There isn’t any significant interest in either house.
3) Therefore it will have to wait until the new Congress convenes in Jan 2009, probably on the 5th…at which point Bush/Cheney will be gone in 2 weeks and a day anyway, so why bother?
4) In neither the lame duck nor the new Congress are you going to get anywhere NEAR the 67 Senate votes needed to convict—Currently only 49 seats are Dem, 49 GOP and 2 independent who caucus with the Dems—and one is Joe Lieberman.  At BEST in the new Senate there will be 59 Dems—nothing close to the 67 needed.
5) The American People have spoken definitively for Barack Obama.  Bush is gone and he has no successor in his policies. All impeachment can do for Obama is kill any cooperation he hopes to get from Bush over the next 2 months.  It will also prevent him (Obama) from getting critical work done.  It will prevent both the lame duck Congress and new Congress from getting new, timely work done.
6) Nancy Pelosi wants it about as much as she wants bunions, root canal and breast cancer all at once.  Think about it…Assuming ALL the objections above are bypassed and impeachment and conviction happens.  Under the 25th Amendment to the Constitution the Speaker of The House becomes President. Which means she must give up her seat in the House.  And then Obama would become President and she’d be nowhere, not President, not Speaker, not even a Congresswoman—that’s how it works.  So Pelosi will NOT let impeachment ever reach the floor of the House in the next 2+ months.

But I’ll bet you’ll ignore all of these objections…that’s the way of most posters here at TD.  Don’t let facts get in the way of your dogma!

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By Folktruther, November 10, 2008 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

Oh, sure Anarcissie, American imperialism predates Wilson to T Roosevelt that McCain admires so much.  But the Bushite regime institutionalized VIOLENT imperialism, the violence partially supporting Likud Zionism rather than the American power structure.  Including the murder squads that the US has been putting in Muslim countries, according the yesterday’s NYTimes articles.

Granting that Obama has more of a nerd than a jock mentality, can he resist this instutionalized impulse to militarism and police state-ism?  It doesn’t look like it, as Maani and Fenwick have pointed out among others.  I tend to feel as Troublesum does, that the next few years are not going to be happy ones.  And Gates has set forth a new doctrine updating nuclear weapons.

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By Spiritgirl, November 10, 2008 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

If you really want to make amends and apologies to the rest of the world, here are a few suggestions to get the US back on the right road:

(1)Impeach the whole cabal for treason, that would include but not be limited to:

George W. Bush
Richard(Dick) Chaney
Donald Runsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz
David Addington
John Yu
Douglas Feith
Scooter Libby
Karl Rove

I’m sure that the rest of the world would appreciate us more, and think of the cartharsis we in the U.S. would begin for ourselves.

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By Maani, November 10, 2008 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

sambrown:

Re Tarpley’s comment about bin Laden having medical treatment at the American hospital in Dubai post-9/11, I have friends there who say that this is something of an “open secret”; i.e., fairly widely known.  Trust me: despite Tora Bora, caves, etc., if the U.S. had truly wanted to capture bin Laden, they could have done so even had he NOT been “out in the open” like this.  C’mon: we found Hussein in a hole in the ground in a tiny village.  Are we then to believe that the Navy SEALS and Army Rangers - any dozen of whom could take over a small country - could not locate one man?  Poppycock!

Peace.

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By Louise, November 10, 2008 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Impeach Bush Before He Pardons Himself

According to Seymour Hersh there is a conga line of insiders waiting until January 20th to spill the beans on the gross criminality of the Bush/Cheney administration.

Waiting . . . because if they did it now the two of them would be tarred and feathered on the way out the door.

But we the people do not have to wait. We can and must demand the immediate impeachment of both Bush and Cheney for what is already known. At the very least the defiance of congressional subpoenas at
the behest of the White House is an open and shut case for accountability now.

Impeach Now Action Page: http://www.usalone.com/impeach_now.php

Because as his final constitutional insult, his final spit in the face to the American people and all rule of law, it is transparently obvious that Bush is planning the most wholesale and wrongful pardon of the worst political criminals in American history, his whole criminal gang, INCLUDING himself.

And don’t think that is not their precise plan.

Please, what power has Bush NOT abused? What heinous, self-serving, shameless and dishonest act has he ever shied away from, when he was torturing and eavesdropping and lying us into wars of corporate aggression.

Does anyone doubt that is what he is planning on doing?

Impeach Now Action Page: http://www.usalone.com/impeach_now.php

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By Fahrenheit 451, November 10, 2008 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

@ “G"utless “W"itless Hitler, November 10 at 6:49 am;

Obviously you don’t know what your talking about.  Are you a moron?  Good engineers embody the breadth of a broad expanse of imagination and thinking outside of the box.  Good engineers are always exploring the outer limits of thought, experience, and possibilities.  Not your cloistered, limited, bound, parameters of thinking.  You need to get out of your prison of thought and belief.

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By KMarx, November 10, 2008 at 9:28 am Link to this comment
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“With AIPAC supporter Rahm Emanuel as his new chief of staff – “our man in the White House,” as the Israeli daily Maariv called him this week – Obama will toe the line.”

When we see statements like this, what are we to think? Are we supposed to believe that elections really matter anymore? Are we to believe that while Americans select our next president, our foreign policy is made in other countires? If so folks, we have even bigger problems than thought!

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By ocjim, November 10, 2008 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

“But how is Barack Obama going to repair the titanic damage which his vicious, lying predecessor has perpetrated around the globe and within the U.S. itself?”

I love Mr. Fisk’s unwillingness to tip toe around the Bush regime’s sociapathic nature of no regard for others, corruption and lying. In orthodox journalism, we are supposed to address Bush as President Bush. In the real America respect should be earned, as is scorn. The latter is all that Bush has earned.

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By GW=MCHammered, November 10, 2008 at 8:46 am Link to this comment
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“Mr. Bush is smart in the sense of remembering facts and faces, yet I can’t think of anybody I’ve ever interviewed who appeared so uninterested in ideas.

President Bush, lend me your ears — that leaders self-destruct when they become too rigid and too intoxicated with the fumes of moral clarity.

Maybe someday soon our leaders no longer will have to shuffle in shame when they’re caught with brains in their heads.”

NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/opinion/09kristof.html?em

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By Anarcissie, November 10, 2008 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

Folktruther—the imperial reorganization of the U.S. did not start with George W. Bush.  While some of the threads go back to the 19th century, it was certainly well under way by the regime of Wilson.  Of course Obama has no choice but to play along—he would not be president if he were not ready to.  I understand that the fundamental framework of imperialism and the police state are irrational, but assuming that framework, I think we can hope that Obama will be rational rather than hyperaggressive like Bush 2 and Kennedy.  In short, a nerd rather than a jock.  I think this is as much as anyone can hope for at the national level—the logic of the state tends inevitably towards imperialism, and acting against it requires widespread local action, not the leadership of Great Leaders.

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, November 10, 2008 at 7:49 am Link to this comment

leilah wrote:  “I work with educated engineers in the Northeast and I was struck by how they blindly followed this strange man.  I was struck by their nastiness at any voice to the contrary, their refusal or inability to accept what obviously exposed the truth and ran counter to their warped and blinded worldview.”

Seriously?  You’re perplexed by the political views and behavior of engineers?  It’s pretty well established in academic circles that engineering requires the narrowest set of aptitudes.  Consequently, people lacking a breadth or depth of understanding, people who find it difficult to deal with ambiguities, and people who have difficulty with synthesis tend to gravitate toward engineering (esp. civil engineering, aka engineering lite) and are, by no coincidence, politically conservative (in the worst way).  The discipline seems to attract its share of devout religious nutjobs too.

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By TAO Walker, November 10, 2008 at 7:12 am Link to this comment

Both the total responsibility and the only effective means for acheiving the atonement called for by Robert Fisk here lies solely with theamericanpeople themselves.  Only they can disable and dismantle the apparatus of oppression and exploitation employed by home-grown gangsters to terrorize and loot the peoples of nations around the world.  This “rogue” regime belongs entirely to them in both law and fact.

Here’s the rub.  To shut-down the machinery requires theamericanpeople to shut-down the “economy” that “energizes” it.  There is little cause to expect such an heroic endeavor on their part….recent hints at necessary “sacrifice” notwithstanding.

That the damned contraption is already shaking itself to pieces, however, is pretty plain to see.  So it becomes a question of whether there’ll be anything or anyone left alive here when “civilization” finally grinds to its inevitable conclusion.  For Two-leggeds the best prospects abide in the Tiyoshpaye Way, as our Lakotah cousins call it.

Better get back on your feet, Sisters and Brothers, find your Native voices, and get back into the everlasting Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself.

HokaHey!

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By Inherit The Wind, November 10, 2008 at 5:02 am Link to this comment

TheRealFish, November 9 at 11:34 am

“He was asked point-blank about what he would or could do to help restore the constitutional damage done by Bush the Lesser.

He paused for just a moment, then answered that one thing he can do, one thing he will do, immediately on taking office—and one thing that does not require him to confer with the cabinet or committees or Congress or strike compromises—is to review the 700-800 (more by now I’m sure) presidential signing statements. Those that breach oversight and other constitutional checks-and-balances he can knock over with the stroke of his pen.

“That’s likely the very first thing I will do” he concluded his answer.

Of course, that was before our economy collapsed but, if there is no other thing he proved through this two year long campaign, he is a multi-tasker.”
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Thanks, RealFish and Cyrena (for spotting this). I’ve missed hearing that in the news but I thought that HAD to be a top priority for Obama, along with reviewing all the EOs Bush has been pumping out as fast as he can to lock in the Neo-Con’s “F**k-America-First!” agenda as much as possible.

To that, I’d LOVE to see Obama sponsor legislation to strictly limit and define the signing statements’ legality for all Presidents (including himself) going into the future.

I remember an old Peanuts strip where Charlie Brown is saying Linus will need to go to school twice as long as everybody else—because he’s going to need 12 years to UN-learn everything Lucy has “taught” him.  Somehow, the irony of it now is pretty bitter for us all.

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By sam brown, November 10, 2008 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

Mr Fisk,

Quote: “If [Barack] Obama finds that he is inheriting mass graves from George W. Bush, there will be a lot of apologising to do.”

To whom exactly?

Was the claim on page 136 of Tarpley’s book “9/11 Synthetic Terrorism: Made in USA” that Le Figaro’s front page of October 31, 2001 carried by “Alexandra Richard” claiming that from July 4, 2001 to July 14, 2001, three months prior to 9/11/2001 that Bin Laden, even though he was wanted in connection with the US embassies’ bombings in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, received treatment at the American Hospital in Dubai for his kidney ailment from a “Doctor Terry Callaway,” and also that Bin Laden met up with an operative from the “big house” [CIA] who used the field name “Larry Mitchell” ever actually verified as authentic? 

True or not? Was this Dr Callaway fellow ever tracked down for verification? How come the BBC and CNN, Fox News and 60 Minutes haven’t followed these claims up? Has The Independent? 

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2005/07/317436.pdf
 
Quote: “Our own dear Gordon Brown’s enthusiasm to Hoover up the emails of the British people is another example of how Lord Blair’s sick relationship with Bush still infects our own body politic.”

Dubya has been and is a mere puppet in all this. His life’s enjoyment is pretzels and football, even if he does occasionally choke; it’s his old man GHW Bush that is the truly sinister one.

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By Paul_GA, November 10, 2008 at 3:10 am Link to this comment

I know many of you are not religious, but I pray to the Good Lord that Mr. Obama doesn’t let his newly-won power or the national and international adulation he’s received to go to his head. We’ve already had eight years of (arguably) the most hubristic president this country’s ever suffered under; we don’t need eight (or even four) years of another. There are practical limits to what this country, and the presidency, can accomplish; I hope he realizes that.

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By cyrena, November 10, 2008 at 2:25 am Link to this comment

By TheRealFish, November 9 at 11:34 am

“He was asked point-blank about what he would or could do to help restore the constitutional damage done by Bush the Lesser.

He paused for just a moment, then answered that one thing he can do, one thing he will do, immediately on taking office—and one thing that does not require him to confer with the cabinet or committees or Congress or strike compromises—is to review the 700-800 (more by now I’m sure) presidential signing statements. Those that breach oversight and other constitutional checks-and-balances he can knock over with the stroke of his pen.

“That’s likely the very first thing I will do” he concluded his answer.

Of course, that was before our economy collapsed but, if there is no other thing he proved through this two year long campaign, he is a multi-tasker.”

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Thanks for mentioning this TheRealFish!!!
This is what I’ve been following for the past several months myself. I remember when we were HOPING that’s what WHOMEVER won the election would do, but I didn’t realize that Obama had said that he would. Bravo!!

And, it looks like he’s already on it!!

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20081109_obama_in_charge/?ln

And you’re right. He’s already proven himself to be a multi-tasker. I’m thrilled. There’s just something very reassuring about actually having somebody reliable and trustworthy at the helm. (for a CHANGE) Somebody that knows what the hell they’re doing, and doesn’t mind asking questions to find out if there might be even better ways of doing something.

Helps me sleep just a tad bit better at night. wink

Yeah, yeah…things are still difficult, and becoming more so in many ways that I’ve long known to expect. BUT…I see a light at the end of this tunnel already.

But, I’m with ocjim…can we really hang in there another 70 days?

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By sam brown, November 10, 2008 at 2:17 am Link to this comment

how ‘bout this?

they’re planning a whole new series of attacks to destabilise the incoming Obama team…

who’re they planning to massacre this time all in the name of, you tell me.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bin-laden-plans-new-attack-on-us/2008/11/10/1226165435339.html

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By Pat Henry, November 9, 2008 at 10:03 pm Link to this comment

Let’s give Barry a LOT of space.  To find his pace, his stride, his place. 

The wolves are attacking him.  They’ve begun already.

It’s up to us to defend him so that he can govern fairly for all of us. 

Even the wolves.  Especially the wolves.

He’ll sink the 3-pointers if we can give him the space.

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By troublesum, November 9, 2008 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

Our health care system is about to collapse.  We spend more an get less in return than any country in the world.  In terms of public health issues, we are beginning to look like a third world basket case.  45th in terms of life expectancy, 28th in infant mortality rates according to the World Health Organization.

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By ocjim, November 9, 2008 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

Bush is not done yet. He has over 70 days to spread his plague.

The Book of Revelation describes the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse: Conquest, War, Famine, and Death. Metaphorically, this is close to the Bush legacy.

Bush has over 70 days to focus on imposing a last minute policy stamp that is more like a wrecking ball, targeting human rights, a clean environment, and using taxpayer money to disburse more privilege to business.

Adding to the violation of human rights in the name of fighting terrorism, just last month, Attorney General Michael Mukasey rushed more strict guidelines for the F.B.I. that permit agents to use chillingly intrusive techniques to collect information on Americans even where there is no evidence of wrongdoing.

Relaxing environmental standards has always been a pet project of Dick Cheney. To this end, the Bush regime has been especially busy weakening regulations that promote clean air and clean water and that protect endangered species.

Even after the corporate greed-fest, a parting Bush-Cheney kiss for their business buddies involves the I.R.S. restoring tax breaks for banks that take big losses on bad loans inherited through acquisitions.

For example, JPMorgan Chase and others are planning to use our bailout funds for mergers and acquisitions, transactions that will be greatly enhanced by the new tax subsidy.

Bush’s international parting shots saw his regime illegally and unilaterally breaching Syrian and Pakistani borders, leaving the mess for Obama to clean up. The only discernible motivation here seems to be borne of spite.

Tyranny was tried and rejected but not by much, and not soon enough to soften the steep climb out of the Bush ruins.

We see President-elect Barack Obama already starting this climb.

Restoring our rights, our global stature, our economy, our equality, and our environment is and will be a herculean effort, made worse by each remaining day of the tyrannical and ethically-impaired Bush regime.

Can we wait just over 70 days?

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By troublesum, November 9, 2008 at 9:16 pm Link to this comment

The next four to five years will be disasterous for the country.  Nothing to do with Obama, the government will simply be overwhelmed by financial, social, and environmental problems.  The economic problems alone are unprecedented, but added to that you have the problem of global warming with all of its ramifications, the breakdown of our health care system, the failure of public education, the polarization of the electorate… on and on.  Way too much for the new administation to handle.  What the outcome will be is anyone’s guess.

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By 911truthdotorg, November 9, 2008 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

Obama MUST govern from the left.

If he governs from the center, like the bush enablers Pelosi and Reid wan him to do, he will fail miserably and we’ll be in for another rescumlican dynasty for years to come.

He must forget all his bi-partisan nonsense and go for their rescumlican throats. All they respect is power.

If he panders to them and asks their permission for everything he wants to do, this country is doomed.

Of course, he needs to have a new, true 9/11 investigation. But I’m not holding my breath.

He must hold the bush crime family accountable for all their crimes, murder and treason, but again, I’m not holding my breath on that either.

I really hope I’m wrong about him, but something tells me I’m not.

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By troublesum, November 9, 2008 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

“Lincoln infamously suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War, and Roosevelt ignored the Neutrality Acts before World War 11.  Roosevelt also interred 120,000 Japanese-American citizens.  By comparison, President Bush’s infringements of Americans’ civil liberties during the war on terror have been modest.”

from THE DARK SIDE by Jane Mayer

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By samosamo, November 9, 2008 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

By Maani, November 9 at 4:31 pm

My feelings exactly. If we don’t go back to 9-11 to expose the real truths then there will be no change and we will go even deeper into the 4th reich world of Orwell and only a natural disaster(s) will stop this neocon agenda of control and a ‘low and rich’  class system. They feel justified in trying to keep the ‘good’ life for themselves at everyone else’s expense. Meaning no laws or taxes for them and nothing and laws and taxes for us.

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By peacenik1, November 9, 2008 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment
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I hope President-Elect Obama will take the time to read the 2006 best-seller “Three Cups of Tea,” the inspiring story of Greg Mortenson, a young American mountain climber who has built not one but fifty-five schools—especially for girls—in the forbidding terrain in Afghanistan that gave birth to the Taliban.

That’s what America should be doing around the world,  converting our swords into ploughshares.  We will all be the better for it.

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By Maani, November 9, 2008 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

JS:

I’m still here!  LOL.  And I believe that BHO will either be the best president since FDR - or a true Manchurian candidate.  There will be no middle ground.  I certainly hope for the former, but have my eyes and ears open.

Cruxpuppy:

See: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA?SITE=INLAF&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Folktruther/Cyrena:

I agree that “It is impossible to repair the damage until it is acknowledged that it exists.”  But how far are you actually willing to go?  Is it enough to acknowledge that Bush & Co. used 9/11 to advance their neocon agenda, including creating a quasi-imperial executive branch through executive orders, signing statements and bill riders?  Shouldn’t we go back the WHOLE way and look at whether 9/11 was in fact an “inside job” - and, if so, what that would mean?  How much truth do you think the American people can take?

nrobi said, “I would not doubt that…[Bush et al] is hatching a coup to take over the presidency and throw out the results of this election.  [He] knows that if another Sept. 11 happens, he can, by executive order…take over the U.S. by fiat and declare martial law and do away with what little is left of the Constitution and Bill of Rights…I can see King George II hatching plans to take over the world through economic means, and this is what the neo-cons had planned all along. But now the time is ripe for this to happen, with the Northern Command having a brigade of soldiers…here on American soil in contradiction to the Posse Comitatus Act, this could very well happen.”

One ignores this at their peril.  As you may know, I suggested this even during the primary campaigns: i.e., the possibility of a (false flag) 9/11-type attack that would give the Bushies the chance to declare a “national emergency” and attempt to postpone or scuttle the elections.  Or, conversely, a (false flag) 9/11-type attack in between the election and January 20th, with the same result: a state of emergency, no transfer of power, essentially a coup d’etat including martial law.

Crazy?  Maybe.  But then again…

In any regard, the following two articles might be of interest to all:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/magazine/09power-t.html?pagewanted=print

http://www.michaelbutler.com/blog/civic/2008/11/09/original-mb-civic-opinion-piece/

Peace.

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By 123456, November 9, 2008 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment

To TheRealFish,

I still don’t see how Bush did anything qualitatively that is different than what other Presidents did.

Wars, increasing government authority, growing Presidential powers, secrecy,etc…

All done by previosu Presidents, but Bush, as a result of the Sept.,11,01 attacks, was able to do them in greater degree.

One of America’s most beloved Presidents, Lincoln, was far harsher and more abusive in his use of power than Bush. Same can be said of Wilson and even FDR.

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By rradiko, November 9, 2008 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment
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What can we expect from someone like G. W. Bush who has claimed several times in the past, to the Press and speaking to his Church’s congregation, that God talks to him and commands him to do things?  ...Many serial killers claim the same thing, you know. 

Far as I’m concerned, Politics + Religion brings on The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: Conquest, War, Famine and Death. Oppress the people of the nation and bully the world, and bring unto them poverty and war in your rule, all in the Name of God and National Security, so that we may destroy all the unbelievers and make pure this world for people like Bush, Cheney and all the rest of their wealthy, white, male, Christian Fundamentalist neocon buddies in corporate suits, looking forward to “The Rapture” to come, that will prevent them from experiencing the horrors of the Armageddon and the World Apocalypse they have pledged to create, to help God fulfill his prophesies of The End Times.

Meanwhile, they sit in their winter getaway mansions on sunny beaches in the tropics, as they sip away their Mai Tai drinks with little umbrellas in them, as their servants wait upon them, their homeowners’ luxurious lifestyles paid for by tax dollars without the consent of those Americans they govern. 

And God has told them in their dreams that they deserve to be the Kings of the World, while the rest of us do not deserve anything but the right to be servants to them.

78 more days, counting down, until G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney get out of the Oval Office.  I expect there will be many celebrations on that day, commemorating their exit from power, and the introduction of a new, more intelligent, more educated leadership in Barack Obama and Joe Biden that are already proving to be much friendlier and more rational to the world at large, than compared to their far-right predecessors that ruined our economy to achieve their selfish ends.

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By TheRealFish, November 9, 2008 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

In Re: O Dar’s comment, “I feel bad for this man.

It’s one thing to attack him, it’s another thing to
attack him as if he and he alone was the cause of
the economic crises or that he’s the only war-launcher
that the nation has had.”

O Dar,

He was not the only person to bring us down to this historically low place we now occupy. It’s certainly arguable (as I think Oliver Stone did in his recent movie “W”) that Bush the Lesser was as much a victim of his circumstances as creator of them.

He was born a Washington Insider rich boy, benefiting from the largess of his father’s oil investments, intelligence community leadership and all the side-effects from his father’s time in the White House. That all those around him enabled his massive ineptitude throughout his life, time after time after time rescuing him from his own screw-ups and rewarding those screw-ups by putting him into ever higher positions of control truly is the shaper of his victimhood.

It’s the “Peter Principle” on steroids.

However, he *chose* to wear the mantle of “decider” in chief. He’s apparently very happy with the idea that the buck stops with him.

Buck-stopping is that deep, dark code language for accountability.

He personally allowed as well as steered this country to Constitution-stretching, tearing and breaking over the past eight years. He ordered people under him to ignore Constitutionally-mandated oversight. He wrote with his own hands presidential signing statements that explicitly made it okay for those under his command to torture. He admitted, with his own voice, with his own words, that he allowed the *felony* of spying on U.S. citizens without going through the FISA process, and that this felonious behavior started BEFORE the attacks of 9/11/01.

It’s fine to feel sorry for all of the unfair circumstances in life that may have led Bush the Lesser to push doctored or falsified intelligence and steer us into a war of choice (that has played its own part in the state of our economy right now)—as just one example from his time in office—but he can not be freed from the judgment of his employers, we citizens of this country.

And since the buck stops on his desk, he should not be free from accountability for actions against the interests of the Constitution and the good of his 300 million constituents.

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By sophrosyne, November 9, 2008 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment
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Obama must show early thAT America stands with Israelis and Palestinians in wnating to forge a fair two-state solution,.  The israeli-Palestinian issue is at the heart of terrorism. Bush enabled the terrorists by doing nothing.

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By 123456, November 9, 2008 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

I feel bad for this man.

It’s one thing to attack him, it’s abnother thing to
attack him as if he and he alone was the cause of
the economic crises or that he’s the only war-launcher
that the nation has had.

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By TheRealFish, November 9, 2008 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

I’ll expect Obama to follow up with one promise he made at a town hall appearance last June(?).

He was asked point-blank about what he would or could do to help restore the constitutional damage done by Bush the Lesser.

He paused for just a moment, then answered that one thing he can do, one thing he will do, immediately on taking office—and one thing that does not require him to confer with the cabinet or committees or Congress or strike compromises—is to review the 700-800 (more by now I’m sure) presidential signing statements. Those that breach oversight and other constitutional checks-and-balances he can knock over with the stroke of his pen.

“That’s likely the very first thing I will do” he concluded his answer.

Of course, that was before our economy collapsed but, if there is no other thing he proved through this two year long campaign, he is a multi-tasker.

I await his fulfilling that promise, at the conclusion of which the US will no longer torture, it will no longer be possible for intelligence underlings to steer around FISA, and on and on.

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By samosamo, November 9, 2008 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

I would say the main major concept that will start making a move away from w & dick’s crimes would be to restore the constitution and its powers and hold any branch of government beholding and institute proceedings if the congress most especially does not return to functioning for and by the people. If these repairs don’t happen then we have truly entered the Orwellian doors of ‘1984’, 24 years later.

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By jackpine savage, November 9, 2008 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

Cruxpuppy,

From the WaPo.

In general,

Nobody with a working brain really expects the election of Obama to make everything rosy again. Shit, it wasn’t rosy even before Bush took office. Clinton was wiretapping without a warrant as far back as 1998. And that’s just an example.

One thing’s for sure, with a precious few exceptions, tdbach was right…this place has become a dark corner for “progressives” to masturbate in.

I, however, remember the good old days when Maani was around all the time. When expat and Cyrena and many others had interesting conversations about things besides the presidential race. Oh, how i long for those long-winded diatribes by Doug Chalmers that just made you say, “whaaaaa?”

I can’t see much use in hanging around Truthdig at this point…too much sackcloth and ashes and bemoaning the fact that the world isn’t perfect. And then the fringe rantings that sound more and more like the comment threads from prisonplanet every day. (no, paracelsus, i’m not talking about you…you’ve got good conspiracy theories)

Weird, as i’m not a huge Obama supporter and never have been, but i feel inclined to defend him here.

In any case, i’m out as i have much better things to do than run around in circles chasing the tail of “progressive” politics.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, November 9, 2008 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

Do you really want to see that face, along with Cheney’s, plastered all over the media for the next several months and years through endless, expensive legal proceedings, probably resulting in “Not Guilty.”

Not I, said the Pig.

Give ‘em their hard-earned pension and send them packing, forever.  I’ve already gotten over them.  Obama’s election was just the enema I needed to cure eight years of Bush/Cheney Neoconstipation and now,  M O K!

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By Folktruther, November 9, 2008 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

Yes, Anarcissie, the American people realize that we are going in th wrong direction.  But they don’t understand-and I would respectfully argue that you don’t fully understand either- how deep a power change has been institutionalized and how difficult historically it will be to combat it.

The Bushites have successfully engineered a political counterrevolution, similar to turning the Roman Republic into an imperialism.  They have institutionalized an Imperial president, unrestricted by Congress, laws or American tradition.  They have institutionalized a fraudulent War on Terrorism.  They have institutionalized the intelligence and police agencies spying on the American people and preventing free assembly.

They have done so for the same reason that Rome did, to support an enormous increase in class inequality.  You can only support this level of class inequality by violence, deceit and war.

It is aboslutely NOT THE CASE that a rational imperialist would forgo war and financial inequality.  They can’t stop the wars without losing them, and losing wars in times of great inequality means that power has weakened and leads to revolt.  And depriving the population of money is one of the means that they prevent such revolts.  A poverty striken people turn inward, to loony religions and the like, in both Rome and the US.

And this is what Obama is presiding over.  He has not repudiated the War on Terrorism, he explicitly supports it.  He is considering appointed Gops to help him rule in the Elite center of opinion, not the population center of opinion.  And there is nothing he can do about the class inequlaity which is bound up with the US version of globalization.  He is strongly for Free Trade.

So. More military, more police, more lies, more impoverishment, more injustice, more overflowing prisons.  Intelligently managed.  HE HAS NO CHOICE.  The only other alternative would be to mobilize the masses of people against enchrenched power.

But Obama is not the Gracci brothers.  He is a black face executing a White imperialist policy, just as Poweell justified the US invasion of Iraq in a sppech to the UN with bold face lies.  And the sooner we recognize Obama’s mission, the sooner the population can oppose it and mitigate its damage.  Obiden will consolidate the counterrevolution of Bush.  That is what he is there for.

This counterrevolution, the War on Terrorism, is led by ruling Zionist militarists and racists.  According to James Petras,  25 to 30 percent of the ruling class are Jewish, and many, if not most are Zionist.  Some, like Addleson featured in a NEW YORKER article, have many billions of dollars.  they fund AIPAC, etc.  They are not going to change.  They will fund Obama, or they will fund his opponents.  Or both.

The oppressive policies therefore do not even serve the long term interests of the American power system.  They serve the Likud policies of Israel.  And are allied with neoliberalism. Which is why they are so bizarre and surreal. And there is no power source to oppose them.  Except-ho, ho, ho- the Progressive Dems of America.  Whose political function is to justify Obama to the population.

We cannot develop a serious solution until we realize the seriousness of the historical problem.

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By uglyfemale, November 9, 2008 at 11:10 am Link to this comment
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The only thing to convince me that BHO is for real change is to threaten to cut off Israel’s military/economic aid/loan guarantees until SERIOUS peace negotiations are started. Second, undo any deregulation policies signed by George W and his accomplices.  Third, declare victory in Iraq and start removing troops/equipment. Fourth, single payer universal health care for US citizens.  Purge Christian evangelicals and defund programs/policies they benefit from.  Stop the Wall Street bailout.

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By leilah, November 9, 2008 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

Raymond Patriarca, the Mafia don of New England, noting how inept the mob had become, said that all he needed was machine gun and good wheel man to take over the whole thing.
I think that is what the right-wing noticed about our government.  And they did it.  They got 5 votes on the Supreme court, and then stole an election and got whatever they wanted.
I took a chance and watched “Meet the Press” this morning and outside of Rep Clyburn’s setting Mel Martinez straight about the SCHIP bill not being a divisive issue, but one that passed the Congress rather easily only to be vetoed by Bush, most of the talk was drivel, especially the roundtable discussion.  It all reminded me of college freshman orientation - a lot of really foolish, narcissistic drivel. At the end of the show, Tom Brokaw reminded the viewers that we have subjected to this silly coverage for more than 60 years. 
If things go south, then all someone will need to take over this country is a good lawyer and a division of Nepalase Ghurkas.

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By mackTN, November 9, 2008 at 10:35 am Link to this comment
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Obama must estalish a better relationship with Israel, assuring them of our friendship but rejecting the way they want to define it.  That will be key to transforming the middle east.  The lieberman stance—destroy on behalf of Israel—is dated and perilous.  Even the.israeli people want peace and harmonious co-existence and abhor the US as their pitbull model.

in some ways, bush has made it easy.  The entire world is sick of this mess and the sinkhole bush’s ignorant acts have created.  All embrace the 21st century.

I do compliment bush on one thing.  He appointed Condi and Powell to positions never held by black people.  Condi was mediocre, which was terrific.  Too often blacks had to be perfect lest their failure be assigned to their race.  These black people were able to both fly high and crash without provoking racial lessons.  I know Bill Clinton wished he’d been so bold.  But he backed off Lani Guiniere & jocelyn Elders when the Elephants roared.  His view of America was not progressive and he hoped to correct that through Hillary.  If she had been elected, would the world be as joyous as it is today, as optimistic?

The campaign is a candidate’s first test of leadership.  Both Clinton and McCain failed to lead their own campaigns.  They would have failed to control factions in their presidencies, and the world would have been stuck in stagnant wwaters as a result.

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By dr wu, November 9, 2008 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

Things have to get better—the empire is in decline. The money is gone, the spirit is lacking and the leadership is truly Roman.

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By mendez, November 9, 2008 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Obama’s clever play on words citing his intentions for a bipartisan relationship between the Executive Branch and Congress, turns out to mean the Executive and Likkud.  The match is set, the game will be played and those who don’t watch closely will not know what happened to them.

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By mendez, November 9, 2008 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

There is only one thing Obama must do to restore the scars of the Bush entourage.  He must bring those in power under and up to Bush to justice.  Most of all, Bush must stand trial the crime must be treason.  If Obama does nothing else but accomplish that, if the markets crash and the media fold, the only thing true Americans must demand is justice.  Justice in the form of convictions of treason and maximum penalty carried out live like an OJ chase.  Justice until it saturates the airways and brain waves of all our society.  Justice without prejudice or rancor.  Justice is all I want.

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By Anarcissie, November 9, 2008 at 9:12 am Link to this comment

Folktruther:
‘It is impossible to repair the damage until it is acknowledged that it exists. The Bushites led a counterrvolution in the US and this fundamentally changed the Americaan form of governance.  But since the mass media, Dems and imperialist progressives don’t say so, the American people don’t realize it.’

I think the American people people recognize that something is wrong.  That’s why they voted for “hope” and “change” and celebrated in the streets when the purveyor of these as-yet unopened boxes got elected.  However, the media, Democrats, imperialist progressives, leftists, and so on don’t agree as to what it is that’s wrong, and some of the problems, like the present financial and economic disaster, require study and thought, a difficult proposition for those trained to believe that all problems can be solved by some violence at the end of a 22-minute program consisting mostly of clichés and advertising.  Furthermore they have different values.  It will not be so easy to prescribe politically viable solutions, or even appearances of solutions.

As first steps, I would like to see Obama get us out of the war-of-the-month club, and desist from trying to keep the economy going by inflating credit and giving it to the rich.  Both of those goals could appeal even to rational imperialists, and yet they’re a radical change from the recent past.

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By Fadel Abdallah, November 9, 2008 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

Those who are building too many hopes on an Obama’s administration to undo the damage of the previous decade are bound to be met with big disappointment. An Arabic adage says, “You can judge the contents of a book from its title.” And the title of Obama’s policy book has been written on it “Emanuel Rahm.” And for those who don’t know who Emanuel Rahm is, I am suggesting that you read some articles on Counterpunch.org and CounterCurrents.org.

Another reason I am so discouraged, for example, is that on another thread at TD under the title “The American Election as seen from the Middle East” only four comments have been posted though the thread has been there for almost a week. This is an indication how much supposedly enlightened Americans care about things beyond their narrow borders, especially when some tiny places beyond these borders dictate much of American policies and politics!

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By cruxpuppy, November 9, 2008 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

jackpine savage where’d you get your info about the reversal of Bush EO’s?

I haven’t heard Obama object to the trashing of the Bill of Rights and he has said nothing about a roll back of the “war on terror”. This is a Constitutional scholar who ignores the violatio of the Constitution.

This talk of bringing the nation together is highly suspicious. Since the foundation of the nation, the Constitution has been the basis for national unity.

Obama apparently has plans to create national unity by programing the youth in compulsory “boot camps” and requiring “public service” for all students as a condition of federal aid to schools.

All this enthusiasm over the healing of the racial divide, all the tears of joy and the great expectations are mindless diversions from the reality that unless Obama repudiates the damage done to the Constitution and the accompanying national security madness Fisk describes, he will perpetuate the Bush legacy and consolidate the new fascist “republic” in his post-racist vision of national unity.

Bush is not a “conservative”. Bush is a cryptofascist. Unless Obama salutes the Constitution, which he has not done, we will see the continued development of fascism, more friendly, more inclusive.

We’ll see what Obama does with the expanded Executive power Bush hands him. My bet is that he’s not going to voluntarily reduce Executive power. He will use i more cleverly and more effetively.

Recall that FDR was elected to a fourth term. He was president-for-life. Obama, the political messiah of national unity is not to be trusted until he unequivocally states that the only true basis for national unity is the Constitution.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 9, 2008 at 8:45 am Link to this comment

For once Folk got it right:
You can’t begin fixing things if you don’t recognize they are broken.
Obama warned it’s not going to be fixed all at once.  He’s right.  We are looking at almost 28 years of Reaganomics destroying the infrastructure of our economy, our ecology, our industry and our liberty.

What I hope he does is fix what can be fixed ASAP—undoing all the Executive Orders Bush is putting in place.  Then, push legislation to undo the most extreme attacks on the BOR.  And start appointing lots of Federal judges to counter the Bush maniacs.

But mainly what Obama needs to do is lay a foundation for the future, looking outward 5 year, 10 years, 30 years, and 50 years.  There’s no way to guarantee we won’t get another Reagan or Dumbya—other than making it obvious it’s working.

Look at Jimmy Carter—he SAW that we need to get away from foreign oil, and away from oil altogether, for our economy, our ecology and our national security.  Reagan shredded it instantly—and we are dependent and beholden to nations that aren’t necessarily stable, or don’t like us, or both.  Carter also (with Paul Volcker) put us on the path to economic recovery, following the disastrous years of LBJ, Nixon and Ford.  Reagan got the credit, and put policies in place that sank it—and created a huge deficit (though it seems small now….).  Carter pushed for peace in the Middle East and better relations all over—with one colossal mistake—misreading Iran.

But Carter laid a foundation, and it cost him the 1980 election (with Ted Kennedy’s help splitting the Democrats..just like the Naderites in 2000).  Reagan of course dismantled it, rooting out EVERY agent for change and health of our nation.

Can Obama and the Democrats avoid the kid-in-the-candy-store desire to implement everyone’s pet programs?  I sure hope so.  I think he wants that.  I’m not sure Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer do.

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By josh stein, November 9, 2008 at 8:25 am Link to this comment
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I think it is not suprising to most americans that Bush is nothing but a deceiving phathological lair.

Bush should be hung.

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By nrobi, November 9, 2008 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

To be brutally frank, President Barack Obama, will be mostly incapable of undoing the legacy of the previous mal-administration.
The shrub and the neo-cons knew exactly what they were doing when they shredded the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. No one least of all the people who voted for this power-hungry, insanely driven homicidal maniac, expected that he would be what is now known to be an imperial president.
Duhhhhhhbya, and his cohorts were and are the worst criminals going, we have seen the worst America can offer and without doubt they should be prosecuted for the crimes which they have committed in our name. Yet they will not face the music for these atrocities, because on Jan.20, 2009, the shrub will hand out presidential pardons like M&M;‘s. There will be such a flurry of pardons it will look like a major snow storm is happening in Washington, D.C.
What sort of world will this be after 4 years of an Obama presidency only time will tell, but for now the decider still has his hands on the button and look out for the worst to happen.
I would not doubt that in the interregnum, that the shrub, is hatching a coup to take over the presidency and throw out the results of this election. Duhhhhhhbya, is as dumb as a fox, and knows that if another Sept. 11 happens he can by executive order, his own, take over the US by fiat and declare martial law and do away with what little is left of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
In my fetid imagination, I can see King George II, hatching plans to take over the world, through economic means and this is what the neo-cons had planned all along. But now the time is ripe for this to happen, with the Northern Command having a brigade of soldiers at its beck and call, here on American soil in contradiction to the Posse Comitatus Act, this could very well happen.
George W. Bush, is by far the dumbest fox on the market, even dumber than Sarah(the Moose killer)Pailn. 
We the people are now at a crossroads and should these events occur, look out for true revolution, none of this namby-pamby non-violent stuff but the real thing.
I am truly ashamed at the past eight years, the people who elected the shrub, the 5 justices of the Supreme Court of Jesters, have their consciences full of the misdeeds of the shrub. And they have no problem sleeping.
I am as you can plainly see, quite pessimistic about the future of this country, what with the Far Right Christian Wing Nuts of the Grand Orgy Party, just waiting for the next election for president so they can run another of their kind, to again screw the people more and more until we have nothing left to hold onto.
Please oh, please, do not ever vote for the GOP again! This comes from John Dean, former White House Counsel to President Richard Milhouse Nixon, a pox on his memory!

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By leilah, November 9, 2008 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

Cyrena,
Thanks for you kind comments.  I was touched. One of yours struck me right where I am. 
“We’ve lived to many years in a land driven by adds and add-ons. Wealth and pretended wealth. Stuff, tears and more stuff. And glowing, glitsy churches, filled with red and gold and hands asking for more money!”

That says exactly how I feel.  I am so tired of being the target of advertising, especially yhe churches.  I don’t want to have anything to do with it anymore.  TD offers an outlet, where contributors like you and folktruther can refocus the lens put up by the MSM. It is quite an experience being re-educated rather than dumbed down.

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By G.Anderson, November 9, 2008 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

I think we’ll be paying yes, but we will also be praying. Holding onto our breaths, waiting for the other shoe to drop.

We’ll be hearing staggering numbers, and watching each other on the event horizon of a financial apocolypse.

At least initially we will be hearing the same old political arguments, for free trade, outsourcing, and immigration. Arguments harder to hold onto as GM and other coroporations head into history.

But the right and the free traders, will wage the poltical battle of a life time against any change.

Will Bankrupcy reform, and credit card reform, be undone? Will derivative sales be outlawed? Can an economy in recession take in another million immigrants? Will the FDA become un politicized?

Treating the symptoms will never cure the disease.

Do American’s understand that none of the remedy’s are going to make things good again, they will only keep things from getting much, much worse..

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By troublesum, November 9, 2008 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

Every president uses the power of executive order to reverse the policies he doesn’t like from previous administrations.  It’s no big deal and will not change the world.  It doesn’t cost him anything.  Obama will like the imperial presidency.  His vote on the fisa bill shows what he thinks of the constitution.  People need to wake up.  Scheer knows how rotten “Camelot” was at the core.

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By jackpine savage, November 9, 2008 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

Clearly everything will not be made better on January 22. And some things will take a long time to make better, with much difficulty because there will be forces that want to keep the bad as standard operating procedure.

Don’t expect the US to turn away from Israel to any degree in the near term, but recognize that Emanual in the WH may be a less dangerous place than as a Congressional leader. He will have influence, but “at the pleasure of the president”, rather than as an elected representative.

It seems that Obama is ready to hit the ground running. His transition team already has a list of 200+ executive orders signed by Bush that they’re ready to overturn. In some cases, the new orders are already written and waiting only for a signature.

There are also a large number of judgeships open, and with majorities all around, those can be filled quickly and without much hassle.

Don’t bet on seeing any war crimes tribunals. If nothing else, we can expect a slew of pardons coming from G.W. Bush as he tries to cover his ass on the way out the door. You may see that as a tragedy, but it could also allow for a Congressional Commission on the order of “truth and reconciliation”, because it would remove the 5th amendment defense (already pardoned).

But many forms of “change” will be severely limited by a budget that’s exploded in the wrong direction. We can hope and push for Congress to see that climate change, economic stabilization, etc. can be rolled together and addressed simultaneously.

And don’t ever forget that the greatest amount of power rests with the electorate. With our voices and our pocketbooks we are responsible for enacting change. Every act is a political act, so think them through and act in accordance with how you want the world to look.

P.S. it also sounds as though Obama will grant an EPA waiver to California to allow them to set their own fuel economy/emissions standards. For one this is important to push Detroit in the right direction (btw, Ford is better placed to handle that than GM or Chrysler), and two, it suggests that the most liberal member of the Senate is kind of keen on states having rights…go figure.

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By hippy pam, November 9, 2008 at 6:47 am Link to this comment

“The BULLSH*T LEGACY”.....The things that HE will be remembered for/as FOREVER…The FOOTPRINTS he has left on THE WORLD/AMERICA…..And the NEW MAN IN CHARGE HAS TO REPAIR THE MESS bullsh*t is walking away from….The FIRST THING PRESIDENT OBAMA could do-is PROSECUTE THESE LYING THIEVES WHO HAVE DECIMATED AMERICA…..prosecute-strip of assets-shoot as having commited treason[hey sarah-isn’t wanting to secede from the country TREASON?It sure was when the SOUTH tried to secede from the NORTH]

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By Paul_GA, November 9, 2008 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

It could also be said, Fahrenheit, that we’re mostly mildly insane people in a madhouse being run by the homicidally insane.

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By Fahrenheit 451, November 9, 2008 at 5:48 am Link to this comment

We are prisoners talking about who’s the best warden.

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By Marc Schlee, November 9, 2008 at 4:42 am Link to this comment
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Try ‘Em & Fry ‘Em

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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By Fahrenheit 451, November 9, 2008 at 12:20 am Link to this comment

Paying for Eight Years of Bush’s Delusions?  Who’s paying?  Will he (Bush & Co.) pay?  Or will we continue to be the only ones who will pay?  A million Iraqi’s have already payed; 10’s of thousands (and counting) of Afghans have and will pay; all with their lives.
Pay for what?
Lies
War crimes
Treason
Theft
Crimes/violations against the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
And finally betrayal.

What have I learned from all of this?  Many of us are anti-American (it’s not you and I); it’s our leaders who are anti-American.  And, they will never pay for their crimes and that’s the biggest crime of all.  F#*k karma, I want justice!  It won’t be served.  Those Monsters loose among us will be allowed to roam free.  No longer having the luxury of illusions and no longer willing to bear the rape of everything decent here, we have left.

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By Doug C, November 9, 2008 at 12:11 am Link to this comment
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Robert Fish is as usual right but in reality Obama can’t fix everything in one term. His most pressing problems are at home and he needs someone like Emanuel to head kick etc. Concurrently, he will use diplomacy to reverse some of the current hotspots around the world. But the Israeli/Palestinian difficulties/injustices etc., will take much longer and by the second term he can tell Emanuel to piss off and replace him with someone outside the Jewish lobby’s influence. Even then, I remain very pessimistic that anything will change.

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By troublesum, November 8, 2008 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment

Since 2006 anyway Bush has had a liscense from the democrats to do as he pleased.  They took impeachment off the table and Pelosi says she still doesn’t believe that Bush has committed any impeachable offenses.

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By cyrena, November 8, 2008 at 10:56 pm Link to this comment

By Louise, November 8 at 8:21

Louise, this is another one of your absolute BEST posts! I’ve copied it to share. I love those kind of gifts, like wisdom and knowledge, and specifically during these times. Those are like top items for the survival kit during these times. I’m not kidding. Fortunately, this is also the kind of gift we can give away quite liberally, since it’s doesn’t have any material value. It’s like once we have it, we don’t lose our own portion just because we give the same to however many others. (well, unless we get Alzheimer’s or something, but that’s an aside for my basic premise here).

Anyway, all so very helpful. This part might be especially helpful to those who are more or less just getting within hearing/observation distance.


We’ve lived to many years in a land driven by adds and add-ons. Wealth and pretended wealth. Stuff, tears and more stuff. And glowing, glitsy churches, filled with red and gold and hands asking for more money!

And at the end of this horror called the New Republican [control] Party, we are still slow to understand. Until we, each and every one of us grow a brain and a conscience, and refuse to allow this toy or that, this church or that, this preacher or that, or a politic governed by ideology, do our thinking for us, we will not dig ourselves out of the wretched hole, so many “wise” but greedy “leaders” have dropped us in.

To that I say AMEN! (Just kidding, but you know what I mean).

Folktruther,

This is one of the very few times that I can appreciate something you post. I’m not in ENTIRE agreement with it, but I appreciate the basic sentiment, fundamentals.

By Folktruther, November 8 at 5:46 pm #
“It is impossible to repair the damage until it is acknowledged that it exists. The Bushites led a counterrvolution in the US and this fundamentally changed the Americaan form of governance.  But since the mass media, Dems and imperialist progressives don’t say so, the American people don’t realize it.”
Actually, I DO agree with this, and particularly the opening statement. It IS impossible to repair the damage until the damage has been acknowledged, and FULLY. I think it should be a full scale and formalized effort on the part of the New Administration. I don’t know if something on the order of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission should be set-up separate from a domestic/National trial and conviction of all of these criminals, or somehow created within the same framework. (I’d rather see them as separate efforts for a host of reasons) Regardless, the change HAS been fundamental in terms of the counterrevolution waged by the Dick Bush Thugs, and far too many American people don’t realize it. Most in fact. That’s the major dilemma, or at least one of them. 

I would only dismiss your hyperbole in the faulting of your favorite whipping posts for claiming that they ‘don’t say it’, (imperialist progressives; which in your mind equals anybody that claims an association with the Democratic Party in the US). I agree that the majority of the American people don’t realize the full extent of the damage, and even those suffering some of the most extreme of the damage can’t connect the dots to the source, and blame something or someone else.

That’s bad, and it’s true that we can’t get on with repairing anything until we all acknowledge what has been destroyed, and how, and why. After that, I think it’s very possible to get it back. The US Constitution is actually, (even with it’s flaws) and extraordinarily ingenious document/blueprint. It works, if we just follow the basic instructions, because the basic instructions ALLOW for changes.

So, repair is certainly a possibility, and I think we’re off to a damn good start. There are a plethora of reasons why the American people are unaware of this. We need only make the information available, and that’s overwhelmingly possible. Education isn’t a bad thing either.

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By Louise, November 8, 2008 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

Bush’s delusions in no way excuse a nation of delusional! Where do we lay the blame?

The madness that occupies the White House, or the madness of those who did the deed that put the madness there? And how does one explain the madness of millions who voted twice for him?

And what of the VP in madness? I think there’s no better example of someone completely off the rails. Except those who follow his advice. And even more alarming, he’s ALWAYS always been off the rails!

And then there’s all those “Christian” soldiers marching off to war. Lost it seems somewhere in the OLD Testament. And their “religious” leaders who know no more of God than the snail crawling through my garden. Perhaps even less.

And now we read that puffy, funny [as in strange] Newt is re-emerging as a possible re-builder of the “conservative” party, and if that doesn’t scare you, you’ve not been paying attention.

So to the parents of dubya, a sound scolding. They surely must have known the child had problems. But then an equal share of scolding needs to be handed out to the deliciously, religiously stupid. Those nincompoops from Wassila to Salt Lake City to the Old Bible Belt. You have all failed yourselves, your country, your world and your God miserably!

Go back and study the teachings of Christ. The NEW Testament is a good place to begin.

We’ve lived to many years in a land driven by adds and add-ons. Wealth and pretended wealth. Stuff, tears and more stuff. And glowing, glitsy churches, filled with red and gold and hands asking for more money!

And at the end of this horror called the New Republican [control] Party, we are still slow to understand. Until we, each and every one of us grow a brain and a conscience, and refuse to allow this toy or that, this church or that, this preacher or that, or a politic governed by ideology, do our thinking for us, we will not dig ourselves out of the wretched hole, so many “wise” but greedy “leaders” have dropped us in.

Maybe this is the inevitable end of a society that cut it’s teeth on endless hours of TV commercials as entertainment and bad cartoon drawings as reality. Maybe that’s the new norm. Maybe that was the real reason so many flocked to John and Sarah. Real live versions of Homer and Marge.

Oh geez! Sorry Homer and Marge. wink

And to those who went against the dire warnings of your “spiritual” leader, or mate, and voted AGAINST the insanity that this nation has become, congratulations! But more than that - think back - you DIDN’T get hit by lightning did you? And deep inside you felt that flickering glow of freedom. Remember what it felt like and feed that glow until it becomes the fire inside that sets you free to think!

Then we can ALL begin the beginning of recovery!

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