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| Just How Dumb Are White Males?Posted on Oct 28, 2008
Let me now defend white males. We can’t possibly be as dumb as the polls showing we are John McCain’s most reliable voting base would indicate. Do we white men believe for an instant that a vote for McCain would not represent more of President Bush’s failed economic policies at home and costly military adventures abroad? If we don’t hold such a belief, why are a majority of us expected to vote against the positive change that Barack Obama so clearly represents? Most of us know how to read, and can even Google, so why would we think that GOP candidate McCain, who has supported Bush on every one of his economic initiatives, is now the anti-Bush? What exactly did McCain mean when he said, referring to his Democratic opponent during a campaign speech in Ohio on Monday, “We both disagree with President Bush on economic policy”? Is McCain unaware that he consistently voted for the red ink run up by the Bush administration, or was he having a senior moment when he said that same day, “We cannot spend the next four years as we spent much of the last eight: spending ourselves into a ditch, and hoping that the consequences don’t come”? The only time McCain took issue with Bush’s economic policy was in his short-lived criticism of the tax cut for the rich—a strategy he now defends. But if McCain doesn’t increase taxes for someone, just how does he plan to pay for the enormous Iraq war debt, now vastly compounded by the banking bailout? On Monday McCain gave his answer: “I will freeze government spending on all but the most important programs, like defense, veterans’ care, Social Security and health care, until we scrub every single government program and get rid of the ones that aren’t working for the American people.” Is he kidding? If he doesn’t curtail those programs, which make up almost the entire federal budget, then he’s talking about chump change in possible cuts. There just isn’t enough money in those earmarks that McCain goes on about to make a dent in the massive national debt. President Bush’s treasury secretary, Henry Paulson, left our collective credit card on Wall Street, where the bankers are once again to be trusted to regulate themselves. Are there any white males out there still so in the dark that they don’t know that the radical banking deregulation legislation that McCain pushed so aggressively is what legally enabled those he condemned on Monday as “the Wall Street bankers and brokers who got us into this mess”? Have they never heard of Phil Gramm, the man McCain picked to co-chair his presidential campaign, who sponsored the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act—both of which made legal, for the first time since the Great Depression, the credit swaps and hybrid instruments at the heart of the Wall Street scams? Call me naive, but I think white males, startled by job cuts and the devastation wreaked upon their retirement savings, are finally getting the point: Someone’s got to pay for this mess, and better those who got rich off the stock market theft than the rest of us. Can you imagine the uproar now if the McCain-Bush plan to privatize Social Security by linking it to stock purchases had become law? And have you noticed that the Wall Street crooks are not using the bailout money to ease credit but rather to line their golden parachutes? They know how to take care of their retirement. I don’t think McCain gets that the rest of us could use a bit more lift from the government safety net. That’s the same federal support that GM CEO Rick Wagoner asked about when he went, hat in hand, to Washington on Monday to lobby for a $10-billion gift to keep his company out of bankruptcy. Or is the CEO of GM just another tax-and-spend socialist? Robert Scheer is the editor in chief of Truthdig and author of a new book, “The Pornography of Power: How Defense Hawks Hijacked 9/11 and Weakened America.” Previous item: The Ugly America Next item: Bracing for the Ballot Battle Elsewhere: . CommentsAre you a Truthdig member yet? Login now, or register with Truthdig. |
By Shenonymous, November 15, 2008 at 1:18 am #
The Exile’s Palette is a brand new book out on Marc Chagall if anybody is interested.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 14, 2008 at 9:24 am #
Sepharad, Folktruther is just being his same old same old with respect to Zionism. You will get nowhere, believe it or not. You ought to spend your time on more promising endeavors or I promise you you will go crazy. He is pathological about it and every thread usually falls into the Folktruther Zionist Trap. I just call it for short the FZT effect.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 14, 2008 at 2:55 am #
Sabagio, I for one am sorry you got chased away. I hope I wasn’t part of the ugliness. If so, my apologies and would like to know what it was I said. I find your posts bright lights amid the dimness. You view demagogues and bullies much as I do. Did you know there was a Decatur in Texass? It is small and without much distinction, for me, that is like a lot of this mindless state.
Report thisBy Sabagio Mauraeno, November 14, 2008 at 2:46 am #
Pogo? OK, I must have not been around when he was quoted in the correct context. Same message? Winston Churchill’s “blood, et.al. quote had been misquoted since the git go, so I guess that’s the way all history plays out.
“We’ve met the enemy and Weeee ..got em!” “Don’t give up the boat.” “Hey, guys, I’m not so sure about giving up my one life for my country.” “Don’t shoot ‘til you see their bloodshot eyeballs.” “I never met a man I did trust.” ” Hope springs every 3 minutes.” ” A watched pot always boils, eventually, so long as the fire don’t go out, cause if it does,then it doesn’t, or if it does when there’s no heat in the kitchen or fire in the belly of the beast below, then it’s a miracle, or cold fusion’s been discovered.
And J.Edgar and Joe Mc? Demagogues and bullies all look alike to me. Right now Malarkey and Judge Scalia could be twins. I got introduced to the Pogo quote during Viet Nam 1964-1973, so brain twisters military press briefings and Agent Orange did and do get in the way, especially when the Watergate Watershed of American history was added to the mix and Bernadette Devlin and Ian Paisley were reinventing the IRA and its 300 year-old campaign of reunification. My apologies to all whom I’ve offended. I’m leaving this site. You won’t have Sabagio Mauraeno of DeKalb County Georgia to kick around any more.
Goodby for ever, maybe,
Sabagio Mauraeno, home along in Decatur, Georgia, waiting for a ride to my next ECT.
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Tis still true, white males’ dumbnest is still a fact as evidenced by their contiued allegiance to the words and wisdom of John Wayne, Ronald Reagan and Elizabeth Hasselback, and their belief that football in general and the NFL in particular are god-given testaments of what the American Way of Life is all about. SM
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By Sepharad, November 13, 2008 at 10:30 pm #
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Inherit—Speaking of “A nuclear reaction ain’t so old and it ain’t so clear”: could you take a look at Cold War thread? Folktruther is having one meltdown after the other & driving me crazy. Can’t reason with him and don’t know how else to be but reasonable.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, November 13, 2008 at 9:36 pm #
As a long-time fan of Pogo, who grew up on it, I can tell you that no quote from Pogo has been so mis-quoted and mis-interpreted as “We have met the enemy, and he is us!”
While Walt Kelly was a big believer in cartoons as weapons (Simple J. Malarkey looked and sounded a lot like a junior senator from Wisconsin) and didn’t mind a pun, originally, the quote is simply Pogo rendering the classic quote into Okeefenokee-ese. But, of course, it’s a Kellan pun, too.
I think Kelly had more fun with Nixon and Agnew and Mitchell than he had a right to! Agnew as a giant groundhog-like critter in a those funny WH uniforms Nixon adopted (that were subsequently dropped). Mitchell was a vulture…
My personal fav was “A nuclear reaction ain’t so new and ain’t so clear”
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 13, 2008 at 8:44 pm #
Sabagio, It has been a long time since I’ve read Am. Hist. I believe you that it is a wonderful read and I will pull out my books (they are old but except for the last 30 years they contain the same old information). Of course there are always a rethinking of history and hence revisions. Your description though of full of marvelous rationalizations, concessions and accommodations reminds me of the melodrama of the vatican shenanigans, oh, isn’t that funny, it sounds poetic, vatican shenanigans, I love that kind of serendipity, but to go on. I was just struck by remembering all the intrigues I read about in Italian history too. I forget most of it and only retain that sense of scheming and plotting, which I am sure also went on in American founding history and continues to this day. It is part of the political game whether found in churches or governmental buildings.
Speaking of the 10 commandments, did you know the Mormons in Utah has a case before the Supreme Court to force a city to display the 10 Commandments? They are claiming it is related to the right to free speech. And are you aware that the Saudi Arabians are trying to get a resolution passed to ban free speech at the United Nations so that criticism of their treachery in the name of Allah will go uncensured!
We all have Pogo’s mirror.
Report thisBy Sabagio Mauraeno, November 13, 2008 at 12:34 pm #
Shenonymous. American history is a wonderful read. It’s an on-going narrative full of marvelous rationalizations, concessions and accommodations that essentially acknowledges the evil humans can and would do if the rule of law and its institutions did not act as ever-present constraints. The spokespersons for the status quo in our country insist that the Constitution says that we are a Christian Nation, ergo our view of an omnipotent god and his instructions has to prevail to the exclusions of all others. That’s what Moses, the 10 commandments and Cecil B. DeMille call for. Also in the body of the Constitution’s text is the statement that declares that for purposes of the census, and tax law, slaves as property would count as 2/3’s of a man, for perpetuity, with no escape clauses. Push forward the timeline and several amendments and “inter-racial” sexual congresses later (the act of sexual procreation between a man and a woman; the man’s penis is inserted into the woman’s vagina and excited until orgasm and ejaculation occur) there still lingers a belief among many of our brethren that “once a slave, regardless of how polluted his DNA has become, always a slave, or in terms of the politically correct euphemisms of the day, black, n….r, and or “African American.”
Even though Senator/President Elect Obama is not a descendent of the slave-holding culture of our recent past, he is the product of sexual congress between a Caucasian female and a negro/Kenyan male. Ergo, in the American English dictionary, an African American. Not half white/half black. All African American. And at face value, 57% of American white males can’t be wrong, can they? As for Euros looking in the mirror, they see what Pogo saw when he looked at his reflection in the murky waters of the Okefenokee Swamp: “We have met the Enemy and dey is US.” This being said, Pogo, along with the other denizens of the swamp, the alligators, snapping turtles and raccoons, owls, and the badger with the face of J. Edgar Hoover, turned away and went about their daily activities.
There is a famous scene in the movie, To Kill a Mockingbird, where Atticus Finch, at the end of the trial where his client, a black man falsely accused of raping a white woman is found guilty by an all-white jury, is asked by his children why did they convict a man so obviously innocent. Atticus replied: “They’ve done it before and they did it tonight and they’ll do it again and when they do it, seems that only children weep”
Now the All-White Male Jury is no more, and the long awaited verdict that finally came in was:
Barack Obama, President-elect.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 13, 2008 at 10:18 am #
Sepharad, I am most appreciative you took the time to write your post. It is truly kind of you. The reality is there is no one where I live which is some many miles from Ft. Worth who has been open to acquaintanceship or friendship. I’ve been here three years. House was on the market but live too far out in a small but developing town for it to sell for what it is worth. Since I don’t have to move for any financial or occupational reason, I’ve been advised by the best real estate broker, my brother, to sit tight and the market will open up. I intend to move soon as selling happens. I am isolated. I also have a 3-acre property and a wonderful old and large house. I love the place but not the location. It is not healthy for my soul. How I came to even be here is a long story and not worth the TD space to explain it.
I have a few friends that live thousands of miles away, you and some others here on TD who are my only commiseraters. No live bodies ‘round here. At school there are no voices at all who are sympathetic to the non-rednecks. Every and all of those I’ve met are right-wing. Even the hairdresser I found, which was not easy, said she would still trim my hair when I had admitted to being a Democrat! She agreed that I might be the only one in town. Oh boy.
I may not even have the sub job having “come out” as a voter of Democrats! I will be able to see if I am not called again. I have been a very popular sub and had made quite a few student friends in spite of not finding adults with whom I could even strike up an acquaintance. I know what it is like to be an outsider. I am an artist as well as scholar and I have many things to do and think about so it is not so bad to wait out the seige. I call it my purgatory. And there is always a good cup of coffee that makes a worthy life.
I would love to meet more open minded Texans. But there are no suitable ‘social’ avenues to do that. I am not religious and will not go to a church to meet people as has been suggested. There are no book clubs, no dancing groups, no political groups in the area as I have searched. It is too far to travel to Ft. Worth area (the closest big city) to make that kind of connection. I am not much of a “mixer” and find shallow friendships repugnant. I don’t want to have any one as a renter in my house as I like my private space too much. I actually use all my space. That part of moving here is the best part. I have two fantastic art studios, a library, and other wonderful space. Occasionally my kids will come for a visit. I have a cousin in Houston, a lovely soul, who would like me to join a church too. That cannot happen. So thank you for your concern. I will weather the political climate of Texas just as I weather its tornadoes and move away when it is possible. I shall look forward to e-conversations with you and others, and keep a healthy perspective on life.
Report thisBy Sepharad, November 12, 2008 at 6:15 pm #
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Sabagio Maureano, A lot of registered-to-vote white males (43%), apparently voted for Obama or he wouldn’t be the President-elect. Also, you should check out the story beginning on p. 1 of today’s NYTimes, headline “After US Breakthrough, Europe Looks in Mirror.” All of those cool, progressive Euro countries admit that nothing like this will happen in (France, Italy, Germany) for a very very VERY long time, if ever.
Shenonymous, I don’t know exactly where you are in Texas but it sounds like the Fort Worth area. I have one cousin who retired to Minneola, half-way between Dallas and Shreveport, and he is my only living relative who actually voted for John McCain, even tried to talk me into doing so though he admitted he should’ve known better. (He also converted to Catholicism for his wife, whom he met in the ‘60s in Germany where he was stationed, an Air Force test pilot.) I’ve been trying to get him on a horse for decades, thinking it would be good and liberating for his soul, but no success yet. Anyway, Minneola is the hometown of our beloved ex-mayor of San Francisco, Willie Brown, and they are proud of it (though I’ve never heard anyone there wondering why he left in the first place). Minneolans have never struck me as racist, but conservative, especially the Hispanics, and (except for my cousin) cowboyish in a good way. True maverick (notPalinMaverick) way. The way your students and coach behaved was unconscionable, and I would think rudely unTexan, but it’s a big state and I guess there are as many bigots per capita on the ground as anywhere else. It must be truly frightening to encounter such thuggish ones in your school where you have to go every day. Do you have any friends around who aren’t hyper-religious racists? Or are you stuck out there kind of isolated? If you could relocate, Austin’s a pretty cosmopolitan place and San Antonio is pretty mellow. The few Texans I personally know: an African-American corporate consultant in Austin, who when I knew him was head of Legal Services for the State Bar in California; a Latino stockbroker in El Paso who switched from calling himself “Joe” to “Jose” in the affirmative action era, laughing at his own cynicism, and used to be dean of the UofTexas journalism department until he supported the school newspaper expose and was allowed to resign, and before that asst. direcor of Freedom of Information Center at U. of Mo.; a hot-tempered Latino historian of Spanish California who bolted what he considered the too politically-correct SF environs and is somewhere in East Texas in the middle of cotton fields when he wasn’t in Guadalajara with his best buddy and also historian the late Miquel Leon de Portilla; roughly a dozen assorted Texans who tried to sell me a bad horse and one who sold me a great one. Oh. And one over-bearing husband of a talented horsetrainer friend of mine; she’s better at it than he is and he can’t stand it so goes rodeoing. No longer a friend is a white guy who grew up sharecropping, left to become bronc and bull rider then a hustler and ended up in jail, where, having nothing better to do, he earned an MA in sociology and was teaching six months after he got out at the UofLA in Lafayette. He was too liberal to be a racist in his head, but viscerally, well, it’s still a problem. Finally, an African-American pal of mine from FoI Center Days, who was on Barbara Jordan’s staff in DC, but has since returned to Houston because he says in Texas you know where you stand while up North everyone smiles and is nice, it takes a helluvalong time to distinguish the closet racists, and isn’t worth the effort. And I know someone in California from Laredo whose family lives on what she sends back to them in Mexico.
I hope you have someone there who can back you up in such confrontations, at the very least someone at home who can commiserate. You’re too smart to have to put up with that kind of BS.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 12, 2008 at 5:40 pm #
Pout pout..booty hoo I feel discriminated against, Sabagio.
A few more questions, how could anybody have just one drop of African blood? And even if that was possible, how would anybody know? And what about all that other blood? I know I know, that was just a rhetorical question. Just thinking how silly it all was. Maybe someday humans will all be gray.
Now Obama is a bit closer to being white than having an ancestor. His mother was a white woman. I don’t care what the custom is, I claim him as half white! But I think it is cool he is half African American too.
Who shall we root for there in Georgia in that December runoff? Say isn’t Georgia usually a red state? So a run off means a Democrat has made strides. Yayyyyy!
Report thisBy Sabagio Mauraeno, November 12, 2008 at 3:19 pm #
To be half white and Half Black in the US of A is to be All African American. That’s just the way it is. Witness Vanessa Williams and Hallie Berry, beautiful gorgeous women, by any standard, with whites as ancestors on their family tree. Franco Harris and Roy Campanella, great athletes and fan favorites of their day, had mothers who were native Italians who married black soldiers after WWII. On the record as well as recorded by the US Census they fall in the category of “Black.” Not white, not Italian. Black! When Senator Obama was growing up in Hawaii, he thought of himself as Hawaiian. When he came to school in the US of A, he found out that he was black, and has been so ever since. I think it’s great that he won’t be following in the tradition of Dumb White Males. Tis a new beginning with no racial labeling and baggage.
It’s not been too long ago in states like Louisiana, where to have just one “drop” of African blood in one’s ancestry, you were legally considered “black” and your social status and value as a human being was changed, legally. Now that’s all changed, right?
Sabagio Mauraeno, here in Georgia and waiting to see how the Senate runoff election between Jim Martin and Saxby Chammbliss turns out in December.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 12, 2008 at 12:48 pm #
Wait a minute, wait a minute, Sabagio, Obama is half white! Does that make him liable to be a half dumb white male? Let’s get a grip.
Report thisBy Sabagio Mauraeno, November 12, 2008 at 12:26 pm #
WHITE MALES, DUMB AND DUMBER
WHITE MALES, DUMB AND DUMBER. AND NOT GETTING ANY SMARTER. THE MAJOR ATROCITIES COMMITTED DURING THE LAST 1000 YEARS WERE COMMITTED BY WHITE MALES. IN THE LAST 200 YEARS, WARS OF SUBJUGATION OF AFRICAN, ASIAN AND WESTERN HEMISPHERE INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS AND WORLD WARS KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT NON-COMBATANTS. IN RECENT YEARS, AMERICAN POLITICS OF MISDIRECTION, MISINFORMATION, MISPERCEPTIONS BY DESIGN, ALL OFFERED AS “TRUTHS” IN ADVERTISING, WERE BEGOTTEN BY THE NIXON DIRTY TRICKSTERS, ADOPTED BY THE REAGONITES OF THE WELFARE CADILLAC DENIGRATIONS, REFINED BY BUSH I AND HIS PIT-BULL PROMOTER, LEE ATTWATER AND THE IMAGE OFWILIE HORTON AND REVOLVING DOOR PRISONS, AND POLISHED BY BUSH II’S MOUTHPIECE IN HIDING, CARL ROVE, FRONTED BY DICK CHENEY AND FOX BROADCASTING. THE HISTORICAL REFERENCE POINT FOR POST WAR REPUBICAN POLITICAL STRATEGIES AND TACTICS? MIEN KAMPF, A. HITLER AND J. GOBBELS. CHECK IT OUT.
SABAGIO MAURAENO, HOME ALONE IN DECATUR GEORGIA AND PACKING UP IN ANTICIPATION OF GETTING A TICKET TO THE PRESIDENTIAL INAUGERATION BALL AT THE WHITE HOUSE, COME JANUARY, 2009.
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P.S.: OBAMA OVERCAME, BEAT THE SYSTEM AND IS NOW PRESIDENT ELECT, IN PART BECAUSE HE AIN’T A DUMB WHITE MALE AND THEREFORE WAS IMMUNE TO ALL THAT CRAP THAT DEFINED THAT PALE GENDER. SM
Report thisBy Sabagio Mauraeno, November 12, 2008 at 12:26 pm #
WHITE MALES, DUMB AND DUMBER
WHITE MALES, DUMB AND DUMBER. AND NOT GETTING ANY SMARTER. THE MAJOR ATROCITIES COMMITTED DURING THE LAST 1000 YEARS WERE COMMITTED BY WHITE MALES. IN THE LAST 200 YEARS, WARS OF SUBJUGATION OF AFRICAN, ASIAN AND WESTERN HEMISPHERE INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS AND WORLD WARS KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT NON-COMBATANTS. IN RECENT YEARS, AMERICAN POLITICS OF MISDIRECTION, MISINFORMATION, MISPERCEPTIONS BY DESIGN, ALL OFFERED AS “TRUTHS” IN ADVERTISING, WERE BEGOTTEN BY THE NIXON DIRTY TRICKSTERS, ADOPTED BY THE REAGONITES OF THE WELFARE CADILLAC DENIGRATIONS, REFINED BY BUSH I AND HIS PIT-BULL PROMOTER, LEE ATTWATER AND THE IMAGE OFWILIE HORTON AND REVOLVING DOOR PRISONS, AND POLISHED BY BUSH II’S MOUTHPIECE IN HIDING, CARL ROVE, FRONTED BY DICK CHENEY AND FOX BROADCASTING. THE HISTORICAL REFERENCE POINT FOR POST WAR REPUBICAN POLITICAL STRATEGIES AND TACTICS? MIEN KAMPF, A. HITLER AND J. GOBBELS. CHECK IT OUT.
SABAGIO MAURAENO, HOME ALONE IN DECATUR GEORGIA AND PACKING UP IN ANTICIPATION OF GETTING A TICKET TO THE PRESIDENTIAL INAUGERATION BALL AT THE WHITE HOUSE, COME JANUARY, 2009.
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P.S.: OBAMA OVERCAME, BEAT THE SYSTEM AND IS NOW PRESIDENT ELECT, IN PART BECAUSE HE AIN’T A DUMB WHITE MALE AND THEREFORE WAS IMMUNE TO ALL THAT CRAP THAT DEFINED THAT PALE GENDER. SM
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, November 7, 2008 at 6:25 pm #
Shenonymous, November 7 at 9:13 pm #
ITW, you have just scared me good. These kids are ideologues and blinded by indoctrination. Is there any danger there? I don’t really know, but most likely not. The sting of the election will ease away in a few days as the country gets back on its feet.
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Sorry, She, I didn’t want to completely weird you out, but I have troubles NOT making the connection between a kid bragging about an uncle with a bullet with Obama’s name on it—and James Byrd’s murder over in East Texas. Kids who are proud (???) of being racist AND claim to be dedicated Christians…talk about time warp!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Be careful out there!”—role call sergeant on Hill Street Blues.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 7, 2008 at 6:13 pm #
ITW, you have just scared me good. These kids are ideologues and blinded by indoctrination. Is there any danger there? I don’t really know, but most likely not. The sting of the election will ease away in a few days as the country gets back on its feet.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, November 7, 2008 at 2:15 pm #
Shenonymous, November 7 at 11:44 am #
Yes Folktruther, I did call them on the racism. One of the boys replied that he was a racist and was proud of it. I asked him if he was a Christian and he said he was. I told him he ought to then as a Christian rethink his thoughts on racism. It would have become ugly if I persisted so I changed the subject entirely and went on to have the class read Thomas Paine. Except that was a passionate speech trying to whip the public into a war. A justifiable war? War nonetheless.
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“Segregation Today! Segregation Tomorrow! Segregation Forever!”—by Gov. George Wallace, charlatan and opportunist. He actually NEVER gave a damn about segregation and wasn’t (for a Southern White man of the era) much of a racist. He was simply on a cynical path to power.
Yet these kids seem stuck back in those early days of the ‘60’s. Too many people think the Civil Rights Movement was pretty much “I Have A Dream” and Brown vs Board. It was far, far more than that. It was a struggle that began with Frederick Douglass when slavery was still in force (at least Douglass is a convenient starting point as the first Black intellectual who was well-known for his ideas). It continued with the battles of Booker T. Washington, and his intellectual adversary, W.E.B. DuBois. It continued through the THOUSANDS of unpunished murders due to lynchings…Some people have learned or their children have. But there are still hard-core psychopathic bigots out there….
And the last lynching was right there in Jasper, Texas on June 7, 1998. Two of the murderers are on death row, the third is serving a life sentence. They have shown NO REMORSE for this particularly vicious murder. And Shenonymous is teaching their ideological kin in her classroom everyday. How scary is THAT?????
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 7, 2008 at 11:44 am #
Yes Folktruther, I did call them on the racism. One of the boys replied that he was a racist and was proud of it. I asked him if he was a Christian and he said he was. I told him he ought to then as a Christian rethink his thoughts on racism. It would have become ugly if I persisted so I changed the subject entirely and went on to have the class read Thomas Paine. Except that was a passionate speech trying to whip the public into a war. A justifiable war? War nonetheless.
Report thisBy Folktruther, November 7, 2008 at 11:39 am #
Unfortunately, Inherit, those highschool kids ARE American; that is largely the American worldview of a large fraction of the country. It is to those people that Palin appealed to by stating repeatedly that Obama palled aound with Terrorists. the feeling, if not the roudiness, is exhibited in the Elite school that my daughter goes to.
And the schools foster it, sometimes directly and sometimes indirectly, like this coach. When you are isolated, as Shenonymous is, there isn’t much you can do. I wouldn’t get into the election, She, but I would call them on the racism. It is not only safer, it is more effective to attack the presuppositions. And this can be done simply by a class discussion of them.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 7, 2008 at 11:39 am #
I hope it is more than a moment of truce. It made my heart swell ITW to learn we can be so blatantly outspoken about somethings yet be civilized with each other and compassionate at the same time. Please know this I think you are a mighty warrior and fiercely defend your positions and sense of self. I especially appreciated your post of 2:06pm. I couldn’t agree with you more, or Paracelsus sentiments in the 2:29pm post. Will most likely post more later. Right now Obama is about to give his first press conference. I’ve tuned in to MSNBC. It should be enlightening.
Report thisBy Paracelsus, November 7, 2008 at 11:29 am #
@ Shenonymous
They continued to talk amongst themselves and were very unhappy McCain lost saying that the country was now going to be in the worst condition ever because there is a black man who will be president and he will single handedly ruin the country. At that point, I challenged one of the students as to why he thought that. “Well,” he said, “Obama is a Muslim.” I asked him where he got that idea since it wasn’t true, but even if it were, why would that be a problem? He argued vehemently that it was true and that the Muslims are evil and want only to kill Americans. Other students chimed in and I could see there was no defusing their misguided anger.
That’s awful. There’s every indication that Obama is a Christian. But I would not disqualify a good candidate if he/she was a Moslem. In general I appalled at criminal government. No one should ask you your choice of candidate. It appears that a great deal of brain washing has gone on. I suppose the US will always have ready enemies for the next war. I don’t care much for any of the dessert religions as they seem so warlike. Tribalism will always be useful for the shadow government. If Obama ever needs to go to war in Iran, Sudan or Pakistan he will have a deep well of anti-muslim feeling to draw upon.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, November 7, 2008 at 11:06 am #
She:
A moment of truce…I feel for you in that school. That’s truly scary—these people have NO idea that their thinking is completely un-American. But they are also indicative as to why American primary and secondary education is far inferior to what kids overseas are getting. Teach ‘em all that religious and racist claptrap, that “evolution is just a theory” and what do you get? Future nazis. Future klansmen. Having lived in the South I’ve met guys like the one with a bullet with President-Elect Obama’s name on it. One law I believe in: Those who threaten the President or President-Elect with violence are criminals—felons, who deserve imprisonment for many, many years.
On the Fox Noise website those same jugheads post that “that (n-word) will NEVER be MY president!” A radical right-wing nut-case in our sister company came in Wednesday dressed black (mourning, not race)—and that’s not Texas but New Jersey. Me? I came in wearing the bluest blue shirt I could find!
Obama’s not a Muslim, but if he was I would still have voted for him. Why not, unless he was promoting a very different agenda? He’s not an Arab, but if he was I’d still have voted for him—unless he had a different agenda. I voted for the man, I voted for the policies, I voted for the party, and I voted to end the 8 year long national nightmare.
Report thisBy Leefeller, November 7, 2008 at 7:27 am #
She, my moral support and any other kind of support I can conjure up.
You know when I was in the service, I always thought Texans acted like and were real ass holes, seems they still are, the Mexican Americans I met in the service seemed just like the Mexican American folks in California good people. Now Texas has black Muslims living there, Bush’s Katina refugees from New Orleans. She, the coach sounds like Pailin with testes.
Texans and the Talaban have a lot in common, ignorance wanting to rule forcing their morality on others, using hate of differences as their foundations.
There must be some more honest thinking people in Texas, because the votes showed many voted for Obama?
The ignorance sponsered by racists, needs to be appriciated by the third party clowns complaining about Obama. McCain/Palin even Hillary to some extent, stoked the racist fires, and the bigots showed up to celebrate.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 7, 2008 at 5:34 am #
I’m sorry this has to be in two parts.
I was moved by Sepharad’s story of her experience in Georgia. Moved enough to describe my day at high school on Wednesday. Teaching English classes all day, we were reading, listening to a cd of a dramatic theatrical reading, and then thinking about and analytically writing about Thomas Paine’s speech “The Crisis: the Promise of America.” Seemed quite appropriate for the latest national social activity. Naturally, the teenagers were chatting and were grumbling about the election. This is north Texas and I expected to hear some, if not a lot, of grumbling.
Then the question to me came, “Who did you vote for?” Thinking it was not appropriate for a teacher to offer subjective sentiments about politics, I declined to say giving my reason that it was not appropriate for me to say. They continued to talk amongst themselves and were very unhappy McCain lost saying that the country was now going to be in the worst condition ever because there is a black man who will be president and he will single handedly ruin the country. At that point, I challenged one of the students as to why he thought that. “Well,” he said, “Obama is a Muslim.” I asked him where he got that idea since it wasn’t true, but even if it were, why would that be a problem? He argued vehemently that it was true and that the Muslims are evil and want only to kill Americans. Other students chimed in and I could see there was no defusing their misguided anger.
This happened in the next classes. When in 4th period, a very similar conversation took place. Only this time another teacher, a coach, who co-teaches the class came in and more or less took over the class, I would describe as a most patronizing way. The question was put to him and instantaneously he said he voted for McCain, which raised a lot of applause, and camaraderie comments, and my eyebrows. Not that he said what he said but that he said it. He is certainly entitle to vote for whomever he thinks is best. He was a popular coach, obviously. Then they asked me who I voted for. I admit I was not a happy camper that the coach involved them in a free-for-all disparaging of Obama and adoration of McCain. So I loudly and clearly said, “I voted for Barack Obama, and what is more, I voted a straight Democratic ticket.” Oh my, the boos I got. The boys were having a field day. But not all students, a handful of Hispanics and about five girls gave hi signs and yeas and seemed happy that at last they got to say who they preferred. So the boys who were for McCain started talking about sedition and hanging Obama saying he would not last even two years. One said a neighbor of his showed him a bullet on which was written Barack Obama’s name. The coach, seemingly enjoying the seething going on did say that the boy should probably report the neighbor. Needless to say there was more conversation and the murderous attitude was not quelled by the coach! I am still reeling in my head over it. They also tried to engage me in more than one class as to what religion I practiced, and did I believe in Jesus Christ. I refused to play that game and told them that talk of religion is not appropriate for this class. I would be happy to discuss these things at the end of the day in the class room if they wanted to come back.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 7, 2008 at 5:33 am #
Part 2
Report thisI feel this scene was not a unique happening in the schools in most of Texas. It is obvious from my conversations with the kids that they have been utterly indoctrinated to hate Muslims, blacks, and non-republicans. They are interested in harming these people and feel they are the only ones with a right to live in America. When questioned they become hostile and berate anyone who has a contrary view. I made it a point to shake the hand of the right-wing teacher and introduce myself mainly to show the students that two people can have different views yet not be complete enemies. At the end of the day, I was not too encouraged that these people were being taught critical thinking skills but were given dogma about the limited number of who has a right to live. The emotion of the 50s and 60s is still among us and we as a country overcame the hugest hurdle of racism ever. That says a lot about America’s enlightenment about humankind. There are still horrid elements that need to be rooted out and it has to start with education in the public schools. You won’t get it in most private schools. But then the middle class and the poor don’t normally go to private schools. And that is where most people are located on the social scale.
By Leefeller, November 7, 2008 at 4:58 am #
Sephard and ITW thanks for the very interesting enlightening posts on Chagall.
Sephard; Great story. When I was stationed in Tennessee back in 1967, I always remember one time, being downtown in Memphis with several buddies, we were waiting at a stop light on a busy street, a little old black lady with a candy-striped cane was standing next to us muttering to herself, we thought she might be both blind and mad. All of a sudden when the signal changed, traffic stopped and the old lady like a cat leaped off the curb, instead of going straight she walked right up to a bright new car in the first lane and started banging, taping and hitting the headlights, the grill and bumper of the car with her cane, it made quite a racket, and sounded like a hale storm. Instead of going across the street, she made a sharp left turn and continued down the side of the car banging and muttering all the way, Seemed as if time had stopped, we must have been behind her when the light changed. It seemed such a long light she was moving so very slow except for the movement of that jack hammer candy cane pounding away, it sounded dreadful. The male white driver of the car stuck his head out the window, after she got past his window she was barely moving down the side of his car, sticking he yelled at us. “get that lady away from my car”. One of my buddies yelled back “She’s not my grandmother”. To this day I remember the look on the drivers face and I suspect the old black lady with the jackhammer candy cane knew what she was doing,
Raised in San Francisco, I had never really seen any racism until after I was stationed in Tennessee, I saw several glimpses of it while stationed there. In Memphis, even one of my fellow marines had been discriminated against, though at the time I did not know what it was. He was a Mexican American from Texas, Seems, things have not changed much in Memphis considering how Tennessee voted on the fourth of November.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 7, 2008 at 4:49 am #
Today is Chagall Day - It is a good day and in spite of the financial pigsty the world is in, is one that is more optimistic than it has been in a very long time for Americans.
Like many other famous artists, Marc Chagall is known by his last name. One need only to say it in the company of others who know art and they know immediately his works in lithographs, etchings, oils and his stained glass works are considered by many the finest ever made. He was a deeply religious man whose works often portrayed Jewish life. He painted in the Expressionist style but beyond that is considered a leader of Fantastic Art and is often included among the Surrealists, using the most brilliant color and delightful fantastic imagery and adopting the fragmented forms of Cubism. Although he himself did not consider his paintings literature, Chagall’s artworks are considered by many to be poems. Arthur Joseph Kushner wrote a poem about Chagall’s poem paintings:
Marc Chagall’s Poems
Marc Chagall’s poems are better than his paintings.
Even his paintings are better poems than they are paintings;
more pictographic/poetic to look at—
His own face half cow; martyrs of his village nailed to steeples.
When he visited Yad Vashem and wrote,
“I have been to the new temple,”
he ended my search for the red heifer’s ashes.
Now I’ll let the ashes in the basement
settle on the altar, show the fingerprints,
swirl into the breath of the sanctuary.
Art and society are often in a state of war and it is occasionally declared by particular artists, Daumier, Grosz, and Goya’s subversive and biting art, for example, that commemorated the Spanish people’s resistance to Napoleon’s army portraying their execution and the horrors of real war. Picasso did this in his dramatic depiction of the grotesque bombing of Guernica during the Spanish Civil War where terror got its most vivid illustration.
Chagall, as do many artists, also wrote poetry. It is noted in many biographies but there are no examples of his poems available to the public. Because of his unique use of color and dreamy quality of the imagery, his paintings are always called poem paintings. Not escaping discrimination as a member of a despised minority, he was forced to resign his directorship of an art school in Russia and lived in exile for more than 50 years. In spite of the miseries of Anti-Semitism, his artworks express love, joy, and exuberance and are said to represent a reconciliation between art and society.
There is a somewhat dull but extended description of Chagall at the following website but it does show some bright examples of his beautiful works.
http://www.rollins.edu/Foreign_Lang/Russian/chagall.html
He painted in various sizes as well as his printworks. Some were 20x24 inches, others 36x48inches (The Flying Horse). The self-portrait is large 50 1/8x42 1/8, oil on canvas. A litho, The house in my village, is 12.75x9.84 inches. The Blue Pirouette, a litho 14.37x10.63 inches may be purchased for a mere $18,000. He also painted large scenery murals for the theater. This fact might interest ITW.
Report thisBy Sepharad, November 6, 2008 at 11:01 pm #
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Leefeller, the first time I saw any Chagall up close was in college, helping the Hillel House rabbi unwrap a bunch of stained-glass Hebrew letters that Chagall was giving to us for the library. Inherit’s covered most salient facts re Chagall, but one of the reasons I like him is that his art is always telling a story, whether it’s life in the village in Russia where he and Bella his wife grew up, sometimes expressing a sense of the wandering jew of the diapora, sometimes his homesickness while he lived in France. Later on he was rescued before being deported from Vichy France to the death camps by an American named Varian, an editor of Foreign Affairs magazine who was upset at the Nazi’s intense search for Jewish intellectuals, doctors, artists, scientists and musicians, and somehow persuaded Elenor Roosevelt to bully the reluctant State Department into cooperating with an effort (for which Varian personally collected money from a lot of his fashionable friends) to set up a program to identify and smuggle a handful of these cultural and scientific types out of France over the Pyrhenees and into Spain, then travel to the U.S. Chagall made a bit of a fool of himself, quibbling over whether he and his wife Bella needed rescuing—he’d felt so comfortable in France for so long—and eventually in spite of himself was persuaded, and the couple reached the U.S. where he immediately began painting again though he found the society insipid. I have a tiny numbered and signed print of his (naturally including a horse along with the artist and Bella), a red and black fleshed-out sketch, which I got at a basement sale of a collector in Amsterdam while working there for $100. The collector and his wife were selling off their lifelong collection so they could buy the old grey Amsterdam stone row house overlooking a canal in that city, just down to the Reichs Museum. I love it, keep it propped up and clearly in sight from where I work. Not much wall space. (Whole house is 30x30), a piano takes up a lot of room, and our flown-the-coop son’s tiny room is covered wall to wall and wall to ceiling, with not a lot of room left for hanging art.)
There are a lot of books on his life as well as on his paintings themselves—I love the colors, and generally buoyant appearance of floating over the eath and its problems in a given time and place. Amazaon sometimes has a really good art sale.
Report thisBy Sepharad, November 6, 2008 at 10:13 pm #
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Patrick Henry, we rarely agree, but “Stupidity is a bottomless hole; genius has its limits.” is so true it’s enough to make you weep.
Leefeller, I’m more skeptic than cynic (so far anyway), expected little from the electorate and less than electrified by Obama BUT, thinking things over today, realized my spirit has been bouyed at least temporarily by the fact that Americans from all demographics just elected a black-white man with a Muslim name President. In early days of voter registration drive in ‘60s, three of us (one black male, one Jewish male and one Jewish female [me], all college students) were arrested one night near some godforsaken town in Georgia, on a red-dirt road with mostly swampish stuff on both sides because we walked into a diner to have coffee. Very stupid; boneheaded in fact, only excuse was that we were going-to-sleep tired & not thinking very clearly. Later were severely rebuked by the SNCC coordinater when we finally made it to the church from where we were to fan out and register voters. Anyway, a sheriff arrived with his deputy, the latter taking our car and the former hauling us to the jail, which turned out to have only two cells. We were scared, though this was well before the later Schwerner-Cheney-Goodman murders so we had no reason to be quite as terrified as we were. The sheriff noticed this, said to us, in the car, “Y’know, the privilege of drinking Dale’s coffee is not worth getting arrested for. It’s poor coffee.” After the paperwork, he put all of us in the largish cell, told us we’d see a judge in the morning, pay a fine, and be on our way. We were still scared quiet, and he said “Tell you what, I’ll go home and my wife’ll make some decent coffee for you and some supper.” And left. We still paranoid anyway, debating whether he’s come back with some guys to hang us or maybe just beat us up. Couple hours later he shows up with coffee, a ton of food, let himself into the cell and said it was so late he’d just stay the night and see that everything went smoothly the next day. And he did. His wife’s coffee was good, but I was still so worried that I couldn’t eat except just a bit of grits, which I’ve always liked, and can’t remember what the rest of the food was. Next morning, there were some guys hanging around outside the little court, said some rude things as we went in, but all went as the sheriff predicted. He then told us that just to make sure we didn’t get lost somehow he’d follow us till we hit the main state highway. And he did. Yesterday, I was wondering whether he was still alive and, if so, whether he voted for Obama, what he thought of everything, and if he’d ever received the note we jointly sent him later, care of the sheriff’s office, thanking him for his graciousness and concern. If nothing else, this country has come a long, long way. But whether he can change the world and part the waters for the people expecting so much of him, here and abroad, is going to be damned difficult at best, perhaps impossible. Even Obama asked one of his aides, nervously, “What if I disappointed them?”
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, November 6, 2008 at 9:09 pm #
By Leefeller, November 6 at 7:12 am #
Never seen Marc Chagall’s work up close and real, his intense use of color is fascinating. Are his works large? Cannot find any information on the size in feet or inches. Guess I need to learn how to convert metric or Russian to inches?
Only seen his older works, pictures within pictures, must be a freedom and controlled feeling at the same time. Seems a most extraordinary freedom of expression, Chagall certainly painted as he wanted expressing what he was seeing. One get’s tired of the sos.
Inspiration needs refreshment. Thanks for the art talk.
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Chagall painted in all sizes, from small lithos to large, vast areas. He even worked in stained glass, replacing damaged windows in cathedrals in Metz, Mainz and Reims. I’ve seen the Metz glass and they are wondrous.
Small, unsigned Chagall lithos can be had for a few thousand dollars—if you want one and look for it. Signed ones start at about 3x as much.
I do enjoy Chagall..not everything he did (just most of it), but that’s true of anyone.
His grave in Saint-Paul de Vence is not at all flashy, and at least two family members are buried with him. People place pebbles on his tomb as a mark of remembrance.
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, November 6, 2008 at 3:39 pm #
Stupidity is a bottomless hole, genius has its limits.
There are scientists who cannot change the sparkplugs on their car and mechanics who cannot write a letter. Teachers who after 6 years of college cannot teach and diplomats who only know war.
It’s shameful the amount of our national debt is held by foreigners, however, China and the rest of the world should spent those dollar denominated reserves before inflation devalues them.
Report thisBy Paracelsus, November 6, 2008 at 11:32 am #
@ Folktruther
http://www.yorkblog.com/yorktownsquare/102504-sub-w ar-ration-book.jpg
http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/classic-car-images/r ation.jpg
http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question28144.html
We might see such lunacy as ration books. Britain was not fully off rationing goods until 1954. As for Obama, I see the elites extending police states measures for the national emergency. We’ll see such slogans as “Happiness…We are all in this together.” We’ll hear terrorism is a show of bad sportsmanship. Rahm Emmanuel will pronounce the failure of the 9 year War on Terror as beginner’s luck. My apologies to Terry Gilliam.
Report thisBy Folktruther, November 6, 2008 at 10:19 am #
And the worst of it is, Paracelus, that their isn’t any solution under bi-partisan military imperialism. the debt just keeps continuing until, as Chalmers Johnson says, the US will become effectively bankrupt. As Britain did during WW2.
In which case anti-imperialist progressives must develop collapse preparedness. this is the same type of strategy that the right wing used after shocks were administered to daze the population. Except of course the population themselves must shake off the daze and pursue their own polices.
It is therefore necessary to develop and keep alive a narrative hisstorically until the political impossible becomes the politically inevitable.
Report thisBy Paracelsus, November 6, 2008 at 9:10 am #
What has held the USD up and why that’s going to change
http://www.kitco.com/ind/Laird/nov062008.html
The primary reason the USD has held up so well in the last decades, in spite of ever worsening US trade and budget deficits that add to over $1 trillion a year combined, is that the US was an export economy’s dream customer. Because the US was such a good customer to the world, they bought our US Treasury bonds, and lent trillions in other ways to the US consumer. As long as the US consumer could carry that process out, our trade partners could make bank on the US and USD.
However, once the US consumer is tapped out, and cannot effectively make a return on investment of our trade partners, the rationale for the continuation of the USD goes away. All that remains after that is a budget busted US Federal government. At that point, why would our trade partners continue to buy all the US treasury bonds and such, and debase their currencies, if the US cannot be such a good customer anymore? At that point, the USD will rapidly fall into a devaluation crisis.
None of us in the US has ever dealt with the twin threats coming our way in the next few years. The first is a real economic depression. The second will be the demise of the US dollar, or at the very least, its severe devaluation like 70% or more (at first).
I would like to point out that in the last great depression in the US in the 1930’s, we did not have a combination of a currency crisis with the economic crisis. The USD, although it fell compared to gold, held up well. Deflation increased the value of anything called cash, including gold.
This time, the outcome will be different. This time, the US faces an economic depression AND a currency crisis soon after. How far off is this?
Well, first, we are already well into the beginning of the economic depression. The damage done to the world credit and financial markets has been stunning since August 07. Over $35 trillion of value has been lost in the world financial markets. That has spilled over into the real economy now, and we will start to see bigger and bigger layoff notices. Economic demand will decline and we won’t see any mere one year recession, like all the pundits say ‘we foresee 5 quarters of economic decline in the US…’
This time we are talking on the scale of 5 years of economic decline and unemployment getting over 20%. The Great Depression lasted ten years, and the US had well over 25% unemployment. US economic production was halved!
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Please read the full article by Chris Laird. He has been very accurate about the economic crisis from the beginning.
Report thisBy Leefeller, November 6, 2008 at 7:12 am #
Never seen Marc Chagall’s work up close and real, his intense use of color is fascinating. Are his works large? Cannot find any information on the size in feet or inches. Guess I need to learn how to convert metric or Russian to inches?
Only seen his older works, pictures within pictures, must be a freedom and controlled feeling at the same time. Seems a most extraordinary freedom of expression, Chagall certainly painted as he wanted expressing what he was seeing. One get’s tired of the sos.
Inspiration needs refreshment. Thanks for the art talk.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 6, 2008 at 4:05 am #
What precious stories Sepharad! Thank you and I appreciated them. That was the best explanation of the Chagall I’ve ever heard! I love the Marc Chagalls and even had an authentic litho in a gallery I managed once in California. I’ve studied his works a bit. His post impressionist style is soooo dreamy and surreal. He is also known as Marc Shagall and Mark Zakharovich Shagal. I remember seeing the Chagalls as a young woman and beginning to understand the Jewish people a little better. I don’t know why I think that but I loved his works. Maybe because they are so whimsical, dancing and Hassidic people, donkeys, cows, and goats flying in the air and he filled the image space with powerful iconic figures and used such vibrant colors. I do love them.
I shall have to try to get to the St. Louis Museum. Just to see what you saw. The Spanish exhibition precautions is a sign of the hysteria that exists in the entire world. Once, in 1972, in St. Peter’s Basilica, the Michelangelo La Pieta statue was vandalized by a mentally deranged geologist named Lazlo Toth who used a hammer and smashed at it ruining the nose and chipping it in a couple of places.to sustain certain damage on the features of the Virgin Mary. There was a huge controversy between the restorers and other museum dignitaries about whether to fix it or not. Both sides had good points. It was in the Italian papers for days. After the sculpture, which was carved from one slab of marble, was painstakingly restored it was returned to its location and protected with a bullet-proof acrylic glass panel to prevent further damage from vandals. The M-16 is a bit over the edge. Funny story. Loved your reply.
Well speaking of that kind of thing. one time on a visit to LACMA there was a Van Gogh exhibit that I was so mesmerized by that I admit to having put a fingerprint on one of the large farm field paintings. I couldn’t help myself and am now very contrite and the guard said very loudly, DO NOT TOUCH THE ARTWORK! Oh my gawd, I was mortified. Both for the painting’s sake and for myself that I was unable to control myself. Course now there are always barriers up to protect against mindless visitors like me!
I, for one am very pleased with the Democratic Congress and Democratic President and look forward to some real changes that now will be able to be made. It is going to be a very interesting new era. We will see what happens. At least there is some hope for a better world when there was none on November 3.
And cyrena, your devotion to real causes is appreciated by many including me. And let me know where to send that black shirt. I’ll get one for myself too! P is sooo dramatic. But then you are too, but I love it. TD is realism theatre. Go girl!
Report thisBy Paracelsus, November 6, 2008 at 12:03 am #
@ cyrena
Yep…and a shrink would have you locked up as a pervert Paracelsus. Even I’ve figured out that you are, and I’m not a shrink. All it takes is reading your posts over an extended period of time.
You’re a pretty scary dude…Hope the women in your community carry stun guns or know martial arts.
I think most people if they knew how you could lie and defame the way you do, would be scared witless over your behavior. There is nothing in my posting that would show any perversion. You use bald face accusations as convictions in your own mind. Your defamatory actions would make you at home with Cotton Mather or the Soviet system of show trials. It is your fanatic devotion to false causes that reminds me of an inquisitor of the old church. I suppose you could accuse me of many things like drinking the blood of small children. The accusation is so shocking at an emotional level that weak minded sorts could well believe you. You have that way of libeling people that reminds me of a leader of a pogrom. At heart Cyrena you have the passion of a street level black shirt thug. You have no shame or principle when it comes to defeating your enemies. It is frightening to me that anyone would could give you any credibility as an innocent human being could be bloodied by your unthinking rage.
Report thisBy cyrena, November 5, 2008 at 11:32 pm #
”..I could get lost in the high-flying idealism of huge throngs of women emoting their gratitude that the nation’s salvation has arrived. I would probably be dating a lot young women if I attended the Obama meetups….”
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Yep…and a shrink would have you locked up as a pervert Paracelsus. Even I’ve figured out that you are, and I’m not a shrink. All it takes is reading your posts over an extended period of time.
You’re a pretty scary dude…Hope the women in your community carry stun guns or know martial arts.
Report thisBy Folktruther, November 5, 2008 at 11:19 pm #
no,no Shenonymous, the vote proportions, even though the details are not finalized, are not irrelevant. After the long night of Bush, and the chance of voting for Obama’s talent or against his skin color, the NYTimes estimated that the vote proportion would be slightly less than in 2004. And the third party candidates got very few votes. In San Francisco, Sheehan only got 20% of the vote against Pelosi.
This is an indication that Americans have withdrawn from the power process. We suffered what political scientists call a loss of ‘effacy.’ People feel they have not ability to control the policies of the American government. This is not good.
And it is difficult to know what institutions can be developed to increase the population’s power, since the unions have been destroyed by the bipartisan policies of globalization. Which is not finished yet. The increase of class inequality leaves people feeling powerless. The Dem-Gop bloc have been successful in intimidating and atomizing the population. While the fake left exults in promoting oppressive policies.
This election has been a disaster for the American people.
Report thisBy Shenonymous, November 5, 2008 at 8:31 pm #
Wrong. Folktruther. This art major was a math major before that and having earned an undergraduate degree in philosophy. An all around student, I was a music major for quite a long time as well. All that notwithstanding, you will be sorry to learn Leefeller that you don’t belong to the DWMs or SWMs (just to be sure we are still on topic, DWMs means Dumb White Males and SWMs means Stupid White Males, the distinction is negligible).
And seems like Folktruther never learned how to prioritize either. Sigh, sometimes he makes sense and other times he just doesn’t. Duh. See Missouri and North Carolina votes have not yet been finalized, however they do list the number cast for each candidate on a separate page that still have to be added in with the totals already summed up for the rest of the country, which has not yet been done. While all the write ins also have yet to be counted, the mail ins will need to be as well,
Of course you don’t have to believe in the truth fairy either and you don’t have to leave any truths under your pillow, cause it is iffy that any money will be left for any truths that fall out of your mouth. But know this Leefeller, you are an elegant truth speaker.
130 million plus are expected in the final count, and hence the proportion of Americans who voted will go up as well. Why not just let time tell the trooth, uh, truth. But, see, it is really moot, because not only did Obama win by unprecedented numbers, he won, period, and that seems to be the only worthwhile point. My wise old mamma used to say, miss it by an inch, miss it by a mile. Discussing proportions is in reality, trivial. It looks like sour grapes are on the menu.
Report thisBy Sepharad, November 5, 2008 at 7:57 pm #
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Shenonymous, I’m not sure either why I thought you’d be horrified at 20 excited young girls running through the galleries with paint and brush etc in hand. (I think my mother was because she’d taken us there from the time we were little and remembered me always wanting to touch things. Maybe she thought I’d try to improve on the originals’ coloring or draw mustasches on “The Jolly Boatmen”?)
Agree exposure to music, art, books from little up is a transforming experience in the way that Disneyland never can be. When granddaughter #1 was four we took her to a huge Marc Chagall exhibit at SF’s MOMA, not sure how she’d react to it. But she loved it and speculated about it. She asked husband why the tiny little rabbi was floating next to the regular-size rabbi’s head, and he asked her why SHE thought he was. She pondered a bit, then said little rabbi was big rabbi’s conscience telling his brain what the soul part should be doing. A little metaphysical for me, but she was satisfied and ran on to the next painting with people floating over their cottages with violins and bouquets.
The St. Louis Art Museum was free to children every day, and to the adults accompanying them a couple times a week. They didn’t even make you walk through metal scanners. Most extreme entrance requirement was at Spain’s Archive of the Indies, which took two letters or reference in advance, then they searched your pockets, xeroxed your passport, photo ideas and took fingerprints. Most shocking was that the guy on the landing who did all of this had an M-16 slung on his chair next to the xerox. I asked him if he expected to need it, and he said “Certainly. or I wouldn’t have it here.” What can you say to that? Articulate to the end, I said “Oh.”
Report thisBy Paracelsus, November 5, 2008 at 7:47 pm #
Inherit, you poor boob, not all of Paracelus’s predictions need come true to undeerstand, as he does, that this election has been a disaster for the American people. It consolidates the political counterrevolution of the Bushites.
Thank you, Folktruther. I could praise the turn of fortune that has change the birdcage liner for a fresh replacement. I could let myself go into the high toned speeches of Obama. It is very easy. I have emotions and sensibilities that are easily seduced by the Obama’s skillful stage craft. On the surface the man has charisma. I could get lost in the high-flying idealism of huge throngs of women emoting their gratitude that the nation’s salvation has arrived. I would probably be dating a lot young women if I attended the Obama meetups.
Report thisI would join with them in the facile condemnations of GW Bush. It would be so easy to ignore the misprisions and felonies of my own party, the Democrats. I would be well liked. On this forum on Truthdig, even Cyrena would think me a bright and wonderful guy if I would sing Obama’s praises. I have several black neighbors who would tell me to “Have a wonderful day in the Lord”, if only I would put Obama campaign stickers on my door. As it is I don’t voice any opinions on this election around my neighborhood. I must be crazy to be so dedicated to my own integrity.
By Folktruther, November 5, 2008 at 7:44 pm #
Your right, Shenonymous, the Times figures did not include write- in ballots. However the important point, which I don’t expect you to get since you are an art major, is not the total numbers but the proportion of votes in the totalnumber of possible votes. And this is expected to be less in the 2008 election than in the 2004 election.
A lesser percentage of possible voters is expected to have voted in 2008 than in 2004. Contrary to th