Per Mark Crispin Miller, there can no longer be any doubt that the 2004 election was stolen in Ohio.

“There’s been an audit of the vote in eighteen counties of Ohio by a researcher named Richard Hayes Phillips, who had his team literally scrutinize every single ballot that was warehoused in eighteen Ohio counties. They took over 30,000 digital photographs…. This is a meticulous, careful, specific and conclusive demonstration that John Kerry actually won some 200,000 votes in those eighteen counties only that were taken away from him.

“After Phillips did his research, the boards of elections in fifty-five Ohio counties destroyed all or some of their ballots in defiance of a court order.”

While this alone would have given the election to Kerry, it is but a fraction of the theft—the balance being accomplished by feeding the computer results to computer expert Stephen Spoonamoore in a Tennessee basement where he and others altered the results and electronically return the results to Ken Blackwell, then Ohio’s Secretary of State.

“Spoonamore says that this Man in the Middle setup has only one purpose, and that is fraud.”  He has identified Karl Rove’s computer Mike Connell as the new man in the middle who is working for McCain.  “Spoonamore’s testimony” is “driving a RICO lawsuit in Ohio. On the strength of his testimony, Connell has been subpoenaed…last week for a deposition, so that he can answer questions…about what he’s been up to. He and a bevy of Republican lawyers have been very, very vigorously fighting this subpoena, because, of course, they don’t want him to testify ’til after Election Day.”

Spoonemore says the man in the middle set up is continuing not only in Ohio but multiple states.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/22/votes

Those concerned with Republican suppression of the vote should read and link to the following, adding their names to the ACLU’s petition to the Attorney General.

“Subject: Protect Your Right to Vote Now

“We are on the eve of one of the most historic elections of our time. And the last thing America needs right now is another election that leaves us uncertain of its legitimacy.

“Unfortunately, there are enough shenanigans going on to raise serious concerns.

“The biggest of them all:  Attorney General Mukasey and the Department of Justice (DOJ) are walking away from their sacred responsibility to guarantee smooth and fair elections.

“While the government is engaged in a highly-publicized attempt to raise the specter of voter fraud against groups who have been working hard to register poor and minority voters, DOJ is doing little, if anything, to deal with the real problem—hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of registered voters who may turn up on Election Day just to be turned away.

“I just asked the DOJ to take decisive action before Election Day to protect the right to vote for everyone. You can do the same here:

“Election officials should concentrate their limited resources on expanding access to the ballot box and protecting voters. Demand that the Department of Justice act to protect voting rights.”

http://action.aclu.org/protectthevote

Hey, TRT, is “Juan” a real individual or your imaginary friend.  KDelphi is right.  The Republicans scream “voter fraud” without proving a single case of a vote cast by someone who was ineligible.  They do so as “cover” for their efforts at voter suppression.  That is a page straight out of the Karl Rove play book.  It was precisely why so many U.S. Attorneys were fired in the run up to the 2006 election.  They refused to bring these bogus voter fraud cases.

The FBI raids on Acorn, limited to critical “battleground states,” accomplished two things.  They shut down lawful voter registration by that organization, and they provide cover for what is really going on—widespread efforts to illegally “cage” African American/Democratic voters in order to challenge their right to vote.

A much ignored 102-page report issued on Jan. 5, 2005 by Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee revealed that there had been “massive and unprecedented irregularities and anomalies in Ohio. In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell.”  Creative voter suppression included “a lack of voting machines in urban, minority and Democratic areas, and a surplus of such machines in Republican, white and rural areas….As a result, minority voters were discouraged…by lines that were in excess of eight hours long.  Many were…victims of…deception, where flyers and calls would direct them to the wrong polling place.”

In Cuyahoga County, Democratic poll-watcher Denise Shull discovered that one out of every ten Democratic voter was simply deleted from the master list of voters. Nevada Republican Party, Dan Burdish, did not even attempt to conceal what he was up to when he tried to disenfranchise some 17,000 voters.  “I am looking to take Democrats off the voter rolls.”

Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Weinstein, co-authors of “What Happened in Ohio” revealed that between 2000 & 2004 some 500,000 voters, nearly 10% of Ohio’s electorate, were purged from the voting rolls of heavily Democratic areas in Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland and Toledo.

Get real, real-truth. Your scenario is silly, the heated imaginings of a xenophobe.

Even if an “illegal” resident (gee, I wonder what planet/country “Juan” is from…) wanted to go through all that to hide in the system, do you really think he would risk being caught trying to vote? Why bother? More to the point, if he’s paying taxes and contributing to the wealth of the nation, and he’s willing to go to those length just to vote, God bless him. Let the man vote.

If you’re freaked out about people sneaking into this country and steeling jobs, throw employers who hire them in jail. It’ll stop pretty quick.

Your making my point.

The way the system operates right now is flawed and there is no justification for it. We operate these elections like this is the 12th century. Republicans challenging something to disenfranchise is just as bad as someone illegally registering.

People are losing faith in the election system and as soon as that starts to happen, it’s all downhill from there. It’s a tarnished brand and many companies will tell you that is all it took to sink them – even if perception does not match facts.

Consider Juan. Juan is an illegal resident from planet X. He obtained fake documents at the swap meet in SoCal that anyone can buy such as, Birth Certificate, Social Security Card and even a College Degree. He goes to Maryland and gets a drivers license. Next he goes to Maine, gets a job under his new alias and even pays taxes. Juan registers to vote.

Who the hell is going to catch this? Multiple this by the number of illegal residents we have that are working today under assumed identities.

Better yet. Show me one case where the system worked in a scenario above.

the-real-truth—How many “fake” votes (there is, as of yet, no evidence of ANY) would it take to throw a state? Just think of it.

The Republic Party fights against “regulation of anything”, and, I’m afraid it will have to lie in the bed that it has made.

There is a problem at the TOP (that is what I have heard/read on another “progerssive” site, from someone who worked there) of ACORN. There have been early votes, but the election has not officially started yet. I dont think that the entire organization can be a “victim”, but I do think that some of this wil result in people being dis-enfranchized (as they were in 2000 and 2004), lawsuits, and is INTENDED to cast doubt on the electoral results

The Republic Party seems to think, that , if this causes “blood in the streets”, so be it..talk about unpatriotic.

By the-real-truth, October 21 at 6:12 am #

Registration Fraud is not different from Voting Fraud.

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That is not accurate.  See my 10/18 post.

“‘Voter registration fraud’ occurs when a canvasser collects money from Acorn for forged signatures of non-existent individuals, e.g., Mickey Mouse, making Acorn the victim of fraud; not the perpetrator.  ‘Voter fraud’ would occur only if Mickey Mouse showed up to vote.”

Certainly those canvassers who are guilty of submitting false names to Acorn should be subject to prosecution for fraud, but in blaming the victim—Acorn—and in conflating the difference between “voter registration fraud” and “voter fraud,” the McCain campaign has erected a straw man.  Incidents of individuals actually casting more than one vote, or of illegal aliens voting, are exceedingly rare.  Occasions in which the Republican Party has sought to use the specter of “potential” voter fraud as a means to suppress the right to vote have been all too familiar an occurrence.

Consider the following passage from Mark Crispin Miller’s “Fooled Again” re the 2004 election.  “In Milwaukee, late in the campaign, the local GOP abruptly dumped over 5,600 voters’ addresses onto the desk of the city attorney, claiming they were fraudulent; and by the time City Hall had found them to be genuine, Team Bush came up with many more, finally naming over 37,000 Democrats whom the GOP wished to disenfranchise.”

(I posted this on another article but the article is now gone? Please excuse because its relevant here too.)

You can’t vote until your registered so voter fraud is a two step process.

Protecting the integrity of the vote should be handled better on the front end to reduce the potential for fraud. No one should be able to submit a card that says Mickey Mouse. It just shouldn’t happen.

Saying that election officials catch all of the fraudulent registrations is a lie. They might catch some but no way they are going to catch all so that means there is a failure rate.

A failure rate in this country’s election process is not acceptable. We have the tools and technology to prevent it so the question is why are we not preventing it?

Seems that some rely on it and are willing to exploit it for their gain. No matter how you slice it, its fraud and it is cheating me and you. You can try and play technicality all you want but it does not change the facts. Registration Fraud is not different from Voting Fraud.

By Louise, October 19 at 8:07 am #

“Young Political Majors, YPM. Actually stands for Yucky Poisonous Malignancy. Caused by a newly discovered virus. Which scientists believe developed when cells escaped from within RNC, (Radical Neuron Clusters) and attached themselves to GOP. (Globs Of Parasites)

This is potentially one of the first times the world of science has been able to difinetively connect a cancer to a virus.

The new cancer, YPM, threatens to be the coming pandemic, since scientists are unable to attack the disease without destroying the carriers, and nobody wants to do that.

Meanwhile, the World Health Association has issued an emergency warning:

“Avoid contact with a known Republican if at all possible. If you think you may have inadvertently been in contact with a Republican carrier, contact your physician immediately. While there is no known cure for this disease at the present time, preventive counseling will be provided for those at risk.”

“We have known about this disease for some time,” said Omar Garsh, spokesman for CCD. (Center for Catchable Disease) “We had hoped to have it contained by now. But it appears to be more deadly than even we had realized,” he added. “So in spite of the fact that it might cause a panic, we felt we had to go public,”

When asked if ALL republicans needed to be avoided, he responded, “No. We feel reasonably certain those republicans who have made a conscious choice to move away from republican control over the next several years are free of infection.”

Something Colin Powell fans will be happy to hear.”

Whether it will work, KDelphi, depends on the exact nature of the fraud.  In past elections, people signed what they thought was a marijuana decriminalization initiative, only to learn on election day that they had signed a new voter registration which included the wrong address.  When they showed up on election day, they learned, too late, that they were no longer on the rolls of their local polling station.

It is unclear whether Mr. Jacoby’s petition included the wrong address in addition to tricking people into Republicans.  What is interesting is that when he was arrested, the local officials of the Republican Party claimed his arrest was a political stunt by Dems—this despite the fact that he was caught red-handed.

A guy was arrested in Pennsylvania for passing a petition to “end violation of the right to vote for disabled”.

It turned out to be a petition , to sign if you wanted to have the FBI further investigate ACORN.

None of this wil “work”.But, I am afraid that they will try to cast “doubt” on the election results with it.

@ TAO Walker, October 18 at 11:37 am;

Thank you for that thoughtful and informative reply.  You jogged lose a memory of an article I read as a high schooler more than 45 years ago.  It really made an impression at the time; which is why I can remember it now.  I can’t remember the authors name but the gist of it was;  The maximum sustainable (critical term here) population of the U.S. is about 50 million people (we’re now 308 million).  He went on to hit some of the same points you mention about over crowding and its effects on our psyche (not good).  He felt villages of 50 - 60 people were just about ideal.  Real communities and genuine relationships.  Thanks again.  I’m sure I’ll have more questions later.

Oh Louise, I needed this laugh!

I suspect that it wasn’t *you* in an altered state of reality, no matter how inviting/tempting that sometimes seems. Nope…it was old blunderbust himself, who apparently STAYS in such an altered state.

I don’t see how or why personal attacks should be off limits, as long as the comments reflect truth, and everything you say here does. Speaking of which, HE’S the one who’s been paling around with terrorists for decades, and most specifically, the past 8 years. (even after they persecuted him). There’s tons of proof – all of those photos with him hugging GW, and walking under the protection of Georgie’s arm over his shoulders, and NOBODY has called him on that terrorist association!!

Now about the puffy jowl, I had figured out another reason for it some time back, but I’ve forgotten now. It was similar to your analysis/diagnosis though. Maybe purple wolf can remember. I know she was pretty impressed at the time, and seemed to agree.

Acorn is a non-profit advocacy group.  It pays canvassers to legally register new voters.  Rather than do the hard work of signing up new voters, some canvassers have submitted names of non-existent individuals. 

Although Acorn flags those names it questions when it turns in its forms, during the last presidential debate John McCain claimed Acorn was “on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history…maybe destroying the fabric of democracy.”  One day later, two highly placed officials with the Department of Justice (DOJ) leaked that the FBI was investigating Acorn.

A New York Times editorial dismissed McCain’s claims as “overblown” rhetoric designed to hobble Acorn’s efforts to “legally register new voters, many of whom are impoverished and many of whom are Democrats.”
The rhetoric is indeed “overblown.”  “Voter registration fraud” occurs when a canvasser collects money from Acorn for forged signatures of non-existent individuals, e.g., Mickey Mouse, making Acorn the victim of fraud; not the perpetrator.  “Voter fraud” would occur only if Mickey Mouse showed up to vote.  But the Obama campaign believes a great deal more may be involved than simply hobbling the effort to register new voters.

Bob Bauer, the Obama campaign’s chief counsel, has written the DOJ requesting that the special prosecutor investigating the U.S. Attorney firing scandal “include a review of any involvement of the [DOJ] and White House officials in supporting the McCain-Palin campaign and the Republican National Committee’s systematic development of unsupported, spurious allegations of voter fraud.”

Recent history suggests the real threat to the fabric of democracy comes not from Acorn but from the Republican Party’s partisan operatives.  In Florida 2000, Katherine Harris employed a computer company to purge nearly 90,000 mostly Democratic and mostly innocent African-American voters from the rolls simply because there were similarities between their names and those of convicted felons.  According to Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Weinstein, co-authors of What Happened in Ohio, between 2000 & 2004, 500,000 voters were purged from the voting rolls in Ohio’s heavily Democratic areas.  Investigative reporter Greg Palast revealed that in 2004 Florida Republicans used “caging lists” created by mass mailings to African-American voters.  Based on envelopes returned unopened, a list was created to challenge election-day voting—a list that would include African-Americans serving in Iraq.  This year news accounts reveal efforts to use foreclosure lists in Michigan to accomplish the same objective—the illegal suppression of legal votes.

Yellow2525:
I never know if I agree with you or not. These constant run-on-sentence stream of consciousness posts are impossible to follow.  Try remembering that one sentence should be one thought. Start another sentence for another thought.

And paragraphs—paragraphs are for groups of related sentences—thoughts that go together to form an idea.

What did we expect from the party that stole elections 1972, 1988, 1994 2000 and 2004?

Oh McCain, always good for a laugh ... and a heavy dose of doublespeak.

Roger in Virginia gives us a couple of good quotes;

“Wednesday night in the debate McCain said to everyone watching, “I don’t care about some washed-up terrorist” and “every time there’s been an out-of-bounds remark made by a Republican, no matter where they are, I have repudiated them.”

~~~

Was I in an altered reality, or did I hear that self same McCain say in a previous debate, “My friends I know where bin-Laden is and I know how to get him, and my friends I will get him, because I know how.” I remember thinking at the time, how come nobody’s ever asked old blunderbust how?

And then he states with no small measure of indignation, [actually it was pretty small ... he should stick to comedy]

“I don’t care about some washed-up terrorist.” And then he plunges on and says, “every time there’s been an out-of-bounds remark made by a Republican, no matter where they are, I have repudiated them.”

That was just before he slid into another out-of-bounds remark.

By the way, he also knows how to win the war in Iraq, probably taking his cue from the tragic “victory” in that other war, Vietnam.

And he also knows how to win the war on terror. “My friends, I will win the war in Iraq, because I know how. And I know how to win the war on terror, and I will win the war on terror, because I know how.

He will also solve our republican gifted financial collapse, because he knows how, my friends. Never mind he has never explained how he will do anything he knows how to do. Maybe he doesn’t know how to explain how he knows how ... or something.

What a Maroon. Reaching out to his maroon base.

I’ve often wondered what that expression, “speaking out of both sides of the mouth” meant. Maybe that explains the puffy jowl. Must take lots of practice, not to blow a hole right through the other side. Ehh?

OK, I know personal attacks are off limits. But what’s a person to do? We cant attack him for being a non-muslim-non-colored guy who pals around with congressaurs. No matter how horrible that may be.

wyx—-can I use your post or a link? Some guy in Common Dreams is trying to say that the gOP are all innocent of this crap.

Thought I shoudl ask.

Fahrenheit 451, along with any other interested tame Two-legged, might begin their journey back to organic functional integrity as free wild natural Human Beings by breaking the hermetic seal of artificially-induced “individuality” they’ve been encapsulated in since even before they were born.  Fractured “individuals” are what this globe-girdling contraption called “civilization” manufactures….cheap imitation plastic “substitutes” meant to crowd-out and replace the whole Persons that us Human Beings naturally are.

Humans do not occur (and are not viable) in Nature as “individuals,” which are only the rogue by-products of decaying (and equally toxic and artificial) “nucular” families.  The organic FORM of Humanity within the Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth is what the Lokatah People call “Tiyoshpaye.”  The English-language approximation is “community,” but its semantic value has become severely debased by its being applied to practically every random collection of “individuals” that fit into some arbitrary category.

Civilization itself is a process intended by its instigators to force the Living Earth to “accept” and “energize” a non-living and parasitical system that staves-off its inevitable dissolution by attaching-to living organisms (including planets),  degrading and depleting their natural Vitality into various kinds of “energy.”  So civilization is really nothing but an immuno-suppression regime applied on a planetary scale.

The reason this process has been applied to Humans is our organic function within Earth’s Living Arrangement.  We are NOT, as the domesticated peoples are mis-led to believe, the “brains” of the outfit.  We are, rather, vital components of Her natural immune system.  So what “ails” Her is a case of IIDS….INDUCED Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

Those captive Humans who make the effort to “divest” theirselves of their false “id-entities,” as difficult as that is in this “hot-house” environment, will find they just naturally attract others similarly restored to their real Human Nature.  Together they will coalesce into the genuinely Human organic form….and will of course begin functioning again in the Way She’s given us.  You can believe this old Indian when he says us surviving primitive Savages will be glad for all the help we can get, here on the threshold of the Hopis’ Fifth World.

HokaHey!

thanks again for the info, beerdoc! In the fine tradition of PT Barnum, you are a shameless self-promoter! But I am interested in anything that involves politics and alcoholic beverages.

Lord knows we have been on an 8 year bender!

Vote McCain in 1928!

@ TAO Walker;

Having always looked forward to your posts and being semi conscious; I’m asking.

re: Big B

Thanks for checking the site and archival article. Actually beerdoctor-beerdoctor is my Google blog site. I also do stuff at newscloud, which can be found at: http://thebeerdoctor.newscloud.com/
This is all the political stuff, sometimes reprinted at Streetalker. But I must confess the site I truly love the most, is the one devoted to my beloved beverage, as opposed to politics, that is: http://beerdoctor.wordpress.com

Big B-That is funny! I guess you must be right. Maybe I am in denial about it.I’ll tell you, though. I was going to vote Third Party , untill I saw some of this racist stuff, and the people behind it. Now, I will be voting Obama. No, I’m not happy with him. I promised some people Id do it. Voting Third Party wont make me feel better—it rarely does. But, if Obama can break the racial mess in the Midwest (worse since finances are so bad) , good for him.

I have to fix my bathrorom ceiling this weekend. ~moannnnn~. Great. A tree fell thru the roof, ceiling—its a long story.

That’s the first time I ever checked your site beerdoc(Homer Simpson in silouette, I see you are a renessance man)
You called it back in feb. Despite Barry’s blackness, and lean toward the moderate side of the spectrum, he has admirably kept the dimmo faithful energized. Of course, it helps that he is facing a completely overmatched and unsophisticated opponent.
With that said however, it is still frightening to see national polls still within 10 points or less. But the winds of change just may be blowing hard enough now over McCains balding head to cause him to go inside, sit down, put a blanket in his lap, and await the inevitable.

KDelphi

I did see that thing in Cincy, and for some reason, I’m just not suprised. My son and I spent about a week in cincy two years at a baseball scouting combine at the U of cincy. Every night we walked to a local restaurant for dinner. The people that worked in and around the school told us we were crazy, that this was the “black” section of town, and thereby unsafe. Sure enough, all the local places contained nothing but black faces, connected to some of the nicest people we have ever met. The locals looked at us at first like we were insane because they obviously didn’t too many white faces in their section of town. But after two or three nights, we were just part of the gang.

It seems that Cincy shares the same affliction as the other old world immigrant cities of the area, Pittsburgh and Cleveland. That is that the old neihborhoods are still segregated, not only by race(hell, in the Pittsburgh area many still consider a mixed marriage to be between a catholic and protestant)

An Obama presidency just might get people to open their eyes, but lets not kid ourselves, many of us, white and black, are still afraid to wander across the tracks and take a look around. If they would they may realize that, like Martin Luther King once said, “we’re all in the same boat now!”

Sorry to get philosophical on a Friday nite, I’ve been trying to re-plumb the downstairs bathroom all day(maybe I need joe, the nazi plumber)

John McCain himself said, in-effect, that he expected the election to be “....decided in the last seventy-two hours.”  He went on to “telegraph” that he had a big “....surprise….” in-store around that time which he was confident would swing the thing to himself and Sarah Palin.  If “forewarned is forearmed,” looks like theamericanpeople are at-least on-notice, if maybe not so very well-prepared.

Dick Cheney just got a ten-thousand-mile “tune-up,” and rumors of another “terrorist” event in “the homeland” are rampant.  Central banks worldwide are pouring make-believe “money” into the “global financial system” sink-hole, by the bale and strip-mine bucketful.  Apocalyptic preachers are having one helluva good time wringing “offerings” from frightened “faithful.”  Papered professional experts of every persuasion have answers for all the WRONG questions.

“Ordinary” people retreat ever more determinedly into the semi-consciousness of their petty- obsessions-of-choice.  Looks like this really IS, “The end of the world as we know it!” 

Meantime, us surviving primitive Savages remain ready to offer some Native guidance to any among our domesticated Sisters and Brothers who keep (or recover) enough of their wits about them to ask.  No doubt that’ll mean their having first to choke-down a big bunch of “PRIDE”....good practice for a regimen of sometimes bitter Medicine that will surely follow.

A people who carry the maintenance of their own health, and the preparation of their young for Life, on the “debit” side of their “balance sheets,” are way deeper in “the-hole” than even their tens-of-trillions of “unfunded fiscal liabilities” indicates.  The real deficit presently swamping the “civilized” world is that of organic functional integrity, something few tame Two-leggeds have ever even heard-of….nevermind taken-into-account.  Five hundred generations of squandering their precious attention on illusory distractions has left the domesticated peoples in dire straits….here near the advent of the Hopis’ Fifth World.

Don’t worry, though.  If we don’t catch you now we’ll sure-as-shootin’ catch you later.  Meantime, take a hint from a “promo” for one of those home “make-over” shows on TV, where a woman says, “If we take care of one another, we can change the world.”  You got that right, Sister!

HokaHey!

Big B—Did you see Cinti?? I havent watched tv in a couple days, really. I just saw the Cinti. thing, whatever the fuck it is.  How humiliating.

Thanks, Oh-hell-hole, for stepping up to the ‘tard plate!!

Remember when the Council of Cinti wanted to throw Maplethorpe’s photos out of the Museum? Dale Huffman says, he heard “They will think Cinti.is one big rube town!” He said, “No…I’m pretty sure its considered a medium sized rube town”.

But, remember Larry Flynt—whatever you think about his “work”—he really did stand for freedom of the press/arts in Cinti.

watching Peter Buckley in a ‘series” on how “wonderful, wonderful, wonderful” things are now; it is amazing how many folks get “duped” into believing anything that these “politicians” offer; consider: they “look” at Japan; & decide oh ho! we will provide college education for everyone! (except of course, those who have attended Christian colleges, vets, or US citizens); the “special interest” groups that are the “future” per Obama are actually Nazi minded folks running our Gov known as politicians; who have set the citizens of the USA to be numbered, & focused on THEM as being the problem NOT of course the corrupt politicians who were bought out by the same folks running the large plantantions back in the days: Buckley goes on to explain Gov is a TOOL for BUSINESSES: they COMMUNICATE to GOV what they want done & voila it is done; HENCE: the current problems plaguing the USA, the WORLD: knowing folks were getting wiser to chemicals to harm them in shampoos, conditoners, beauty products they went to Congress & promptly a law was passed that they no longer need to LIST ingredients on labels; YOU have been bombarded with media that CHINA has the problem with things in infants formulas, dog foods, etc etc etc. In REALITY it is a FALSE REPORT, MISDIRECTION, DELIBERATE LYING to DISTRACT you & get you to BELIEVE that the problem is CHINA & NOT the USA, because THIS is the USA WAY. DO NOT****REPEAT****DO NOT BELIEVE THE LIES! It is the USA Gov who has the FDA as a “front” or SHELL to PRETEND to the citizens of the USA that THEY are “protecting” the people. THEY ARE NOT! 52% of infant formula is corn fruit crap which is SUGAR; it contains GROWTH HORMONES & OTHER TOXINS; THIS IS THE REASON that babys death rate is the 2nd highest in the world & has been #1 in the USA for years; it has nothing at all to do with poor prenatal care. http://www.naturalnews.com; http://www.drmarcola.com; http://www.mizar5.com; (dental health); folks; it is YOUR deoderants, YOUR shampoos, conditioners, YOUR “cleaning products” which are all geared to do the greatest harm to you, your family & loved ones:for 1 purpose only: to make more $ for them thru doctors prescriptions (you pay 600,000) xs the COST of meds: cancer cures are SURPRESSED & “authoritive” figures give out FALSE reports as true ones: cuz it makes far more $ for them. You are SLAVES to Corp Greed run by a Gov who is AGAINST the people of the USA.

Big B—I think that you may be right, and I wil be counting on it myself!

Kdelphi, Big B, and everyone else

If you have the time, you might want to take a look at a piece I published Feb.17, 2008, titled “Thoughts On Obama”. You will have to scroll down on the archive, but it might be worth your trouble.
http://beerdoctor-beerdoctor.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

I have lived in Ohio for about 14 yrs now and I guess I got used to the racism that is here. This election has really brought it to the top though. I don’t even feel comfortable wearing my Obama t-shirt in the small towns where I live. Since this election process has begun I have heard the most vile hatred, both racist and far right ( far far far right ). The other day I was even involved in a physical confrontation because of my t-shirt. If the GOP doesn’t get you the kooks might. I must have been asleep my entire life. Can this really be 2008?

Last go around for Gov in Washington State, Dino Rossi screamed foul. In case you don’t know, Dino is a GOP. He hasn’t got the integrity to identify himself as a republican. In addition to that little deception, he repeats dem slogans and claims them as his own. Calls for change because we cant afford four more years, points out how bad things are because of DC as usual spend and tax policy. He never bothers to mention the HUGE national debt, and collapsing economy belongs to HIS party, or the change he is calling for would mean Washington State could be as messed up in four years as the red States already are! Oh, and he LIES. Boy does he lie! But I guess his supporters are too dumb to know GOP is REPUBLICAN, and needing change doesn’t mean a giant step BACKWARDS. And checking out the actual record against all his LIES might be a good idea. And what’s all this got to do with anything anyway?

Well back to that Dino calls foul thing. Long story short. There was no fraud in the tabulation of the votes, other than several dead folks voted. And it turned out they were votes cast by surviving repub spouses. And several thousand absentee votes were found, misplaced in a box in a storage room, to late to count. So if there was fraud, it was small and squarely belonged to Dino, And there was a monumental screw-up when somebody put those absentees in the wrong place and then forgot about them.

Now I am sure any GOPer’s out there who think my account is wrong wont hesitate to jump in with their own version of events. Frankly I don’t care. The recounts proved Dino is just one more republican who cant stand loosing, even if they have to try and cheat to be a winner. I never could understand that. Winning doesn’t mean squat if the only way you can win is to cheat. Perhaps that explains the continually rising level of corruption in the republican party. The first lie is the cheat. It’s all down hill from there. Thats what happens when you throw your integrity in the garbage, self respect cant be far behind.

I look at the dark clouds gathering over McCain in that picture and I wonder, where is the Wicked Witch from the North? Shouldn’t she be swooping around up there somewhere? Maybe the weatherman zapped her off her broom and she’s out there looking for it. Or, looking for her Preachy Witchy doctor’s phone number, so’s she can order a new one.

On racists. An encounter with a group pushing flyers denouncing Obama as a Muslim, Arab, terrorist should be met with, “Oh my gosh! I’ve never met real live racists before! Can I have your autographs?” Republican supporters being for the most part, somewhat slow of wit, you’ll have time to beat a hasty retreat before they start swinging.

Kdelphi

Yes, I doubt that the word “fun” will be mentioned much in the next four years. These times could be even more radical than the 60’s because, as an old song said “when you ain’t got nothin’ you got nothin’lose.”

I have noticed in my lifetime that poor people have changed ever so slightly. They used to look sad, then frustrated. But now they begin to look angry. When they get desperate, that’s when change will come, for good or ill.

Then again, maybe the Mayans are on to something, and after their “great uphevial” in Dec of 2012, all will change.
But in leiu of that, we should probably just do it ourselves.

Good news. The Ohio high court has overturned the GOP request. It is a good thing we elected Strickland.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081017/ap_on_el_pr/scotus_voter_registration

Big B—The only thing that will NOT be the “60s all over again” is tha everyone wil be broke, there wil be no draft, and there wont be near as much fun! The Middle class brought about teh “60s”. I just dont think tah we have much of one anymore.

Thanks for the heads up on the rolling papers, I’ve never been one in the know with my drug vernacular. I always steered clear of the stuff most of the time after it turned my straight A student older brother into a lethargic high school drop out(and now he’s a nascar watching, republican drunk, go figure.)

I have always found that in confronting racism, the best you could do was protest it a little, and just not do business with them after that. Trying to talk someone out of being a racist is like presenting scientific evidence to a creationist, these people don’t think their views are right, they BELIEVE they are! As we all know, it is really difficult to stop believing. Lets face it, if the 1960’s did not dissuade people from being racists, I don’t know what will. We live in a nation where blacks did not have the right to vote until 1965, and that decision caused a huge fault line down the center of america and created the neocon social movement that is the republican power base to this day.

Lets face it, while an Obama presidency will serve to enlighten some people in our nation, it could prove to be the most polarizing political and social event in america since the civil rights act of 1965.

Just think, the next four years could bring us a shitty economy, illegal foreign wars, and social unrest. It’s the 60’s all over again.

the-real-truth: WHO “admitted on video”? How many peoele? Are they being prosecuted? I didnt see you say Malkin, but, she is a certified spoiled ass bitch.If you want to kmow the “real truth"after al the voter caging and challenging Ohio in 2004—payback is a m-f-er! I hope people that were dis-enfranchised get avenged!

Big B- Marietta, Martins Ferry, Little Hocking—yes! They are VERY conservative. It does not necessarily follow they are racist. But, yes, they wil go for neo-cons, for sure. I just DO NOT hear this use of the n-word, slander, strange looks at minoritoes. It coudl just be that I live in a urban area—but I am from a small town! (Used to be a village)I grew up in a segregated school(well, not mandated, and we had a few minorities)But, in high sdchool, I transfered to a “medium sized” town school, ere “minorities"the “majority”. Maybe taht is why I dont hear it.

I’ve had old friends that will express racist sentiments occasionally. Maybe it is not “reaonable” to do so where you live, work, etc. But, I dont really understand not confronting it. You didnt say that you didnt. But, old “friends” of mine, KNOW that I will ask them to leave, leave myself, etc. They just wont say it to me, and, the friemds Ive kept—dont feel that way. Id say I;ve lost a few “friends” over it.(not the n-word, but, things like, “yeah, but does he care about whites also” stuff).But none that I couldnt afford to lose!!

With simply “ignorant” people, it is often best just to ask “Why would you think that?” and explain, that Obama is for the moderates of every stripe!

@ Big B;
I think you mean rolling papers.  So whats your point? 
Each to their own; alcohol, pot, so what?  Alcohol kills; pot doesn’t.
Anyway, my point is, don’t stay distracted by the smoke; the way ain’t to be following the propaganda.  You think this election is the most important thing going?  It really isn’t; Obama will be an anesthetic and McCain will be pain.  The direction of this country will remain on track at all costs.  The knife will be not felt (Obama) or very painful (McCain); but it’s a knife in the guts all the same.  The government will only give up that which will ensure it’s continuation.  The elite rule and the rest endure.  There is a way out but nobodies really interested.

re: the-real-truth

Anyone who accepts the reporting of Michelle Malkin as journalism, needs to have their brain examined.

As I watched a rerun of “Family Guy” last night, a particularly funny and ironic line was uttered by a character who was a young republican. He said “the republican party’s job is to provide help to people who don’t need it.”

Living on the PA, WV, Ohio line, I have had the experience of living among those folks who have been described politically as “blue collar, Reagan democrats” While a predominantly catholic area, their social views are surprisingly liberal. They are almost, the last man, pro-union. Yet past conservative presidential candidates have done very well in this area by appealing to a base fear of change and by wrapping themselves in the flag. Having worked in southern and eastern Ohio on and off over the last 20 years, I can say that my own experiences have shown me why these folks tend to vote republican. It comes down to two “ism’s” and those are patriotism and racism. As I travel down the Ohio river from Martins Ferry and Bellaire, down to Marietta and along the Kentucky border near Reedsville, Little Hocking and Tuppers Plains, I was always struck by two things. How many american flags were displayed and how white everybody was! One of my fellow cable subcontractors was black. When they first laid eyes upon him in Belpre Ohio, you would have sworn that he walked out of a spaceship that just landed on the courthouse steps. Our forman was told by a rep from the local company that “we might want to transfer that nigger boy somewhere where he might be more comfortable” I knew what he really meant was “transfer him somewhere where I will be more comfortable”

I have learned over the years that there are very few things that polarize people more than religion, patriotism, and racism(maybe John Lennon was right, Ism’s aren’t good)

There is a myth that racism is a vice of the deep south only. But it has always been alive and well in the northern suburbs and the farms and small towns of PA and Ohio.

Does anybody out there doubt that if Obama were a white guy named smith or jones, that his lead in the poles would be 20, or even 30%?

Does anybody from Ohio think that the repug dirty trick squad is not working fast and furiously to disenfranchise black voters once again?

One interesting thing I can say for Ohio is that, at no time in my life, was I ever offered more pot than I was when working for a couple of months around Tuppers Plains. There was a small store in the middle of town that when I went in to grab lunch every day, I noticed that everyone in line at the cash register had bread, milk, wrapping papers, and of course, cookies. You gotta have cookies!

It has often been said that to know how rotten it is in Ohio, you have to live in Ohio. The sixth circuit ruling was a shameless partisan sabotage.
And now we have McCain claiming that ACORN is a threat to democracy. ACORN? The community organizers who attempt to help the poorest in this nation? Oh I get it. Any attempts to assist the powerless is evil, according to a crowd that champions the cause of a phony plumber.

it is NOT the immigrants fault: it is the GOV OF THE USA who sits down with the Corps & THEY decide how & what is going to be done & it is ALWAYS to the detriment of the people of the USA; while “claiming” to be “building a wall” and “being concerned” over the # of illegals; in reality, they were using unlocked mailboxs to send “mail” as in credit card apps etc in illegals name; who would get & go get a “library” card, then be off to the DMV; ALL of this KNOWN & PREPLANNED FOR YEARS by the USA Congress; then the Gov’s; down to counties & on to cities; taking from the “rich” means the legal citizens of the USA NOT from the “wealthy”; THEY are never going to pay anything! or give up a thing! The “offices” like the “whistleblowing” one set up by Bush, SAT on over 100 reports; finally the public outcry forced Bush to let the man go: and he publically shook his hand on TV & THANKED him for his “service to his country.” WHY? Because the man had done EXACTLY what the leaders of this country WANTED him to do: SIT on the reports; THIS is why the CEO’s of Wall Street when reprimanded for going on expensive vacations SAID: we NORMALLY ARE REWARDED for doing what we were told to do. READ IT FOLKS: book, license to steal, (the supposed lawmakers of this country KNEW exactly & precisely what was going on; & PLANNED this for years: in both the housing & financial; it is ALL CRIMINAL: & it was done by the political parties in the USA. Wake up & SMELL THE COFFEE! Why do you think that in Oregon after being told by members who are NOT civilians but POLITICIANS: Peter Buckley, Sal Esquaval, & Alan Bates: all in St Congress: any illegals coming into the country would be given DRIVERS LICENSES, etc: NO 2nd rate citizens HERE! yet in July 08 a LAW was “passed” that requires CITIZENS to have to bring a certified birth certificate to get drivers licenses? Why do you THINK that it is the CITIZENS who are going to be NUMBERED and given FED ID #s under the “falsehood” and “pretense” that it is to prevent “illegals” or “terrorists” from getting into the country? Perhaps you can explain why THIS country pays so much taxes & has NOTHING for it’s people: yet our leaders have NEVER given 1 single Indian tribe in the USA what it owed them; claimed “lost” the $100m, to 1 tribe; another has yet to receive a PENNY from all the oil taken from it’s land; vets have NEVER received all they were told & indeed many have “lost” their pensions, & medical benefits promised to them & families taken away; any “aid” going to any country the Gov keeps 2/3s of for “overhead” cost; & all the $ for “aid” to other countries from grandpa’s day to now: there should not even BE any 3rd world countries; they gave them “commodity” cheese, or frozen chicken legs; NEVER the $; yet they are so “broke”?????? It should be called DECEPTION not “democracy” which means “the will of the people” being represented in lawmaking; it is DICTATORSHIP with the people being ENSLAVED by Corp GREED & they sit down with Congress & the laws are written to THEIR good; never ever to the good of the people.

For anyone who hasnt seen it, here is a slightly different version.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/16-8#comment-form

Because the Supreme Court is in on how/what our Gov is & how it is run; they are a “part” of the deception oh I am so sorry “democratic” way: it works like this folks: the “2” parties are in total agreement on most everything; they “pretend” differences to make you THINK that you have a “choice” which you do but both candidates are bad for the PEOPLE of this country & for the PLANET. In Oregon, the law has been for quite a few years that in order to get a drivers license you have to show Soc Security #; and proof of residency; this has been BY PASSED by Gov & St Congress working with DMV. They have given out literally millions of 8 year drivers licenses to illegals; (whom they call undocumenteds) as “everyone is legal”; they have given them money, brand new cars, trucks, job preferences, and NO INTEREST loans: like $3,000 pay back when you can for things like dental work; along with gas vouchers, medical coverage, food stamps, etc; for the NEW ONES coming in; they also built brand new low income apartment complexs for them, while claiming “broke” & no $ for vets; denying THEM medications for the hospitals so they had to water down meds; live in mold, & peeling plaster, & receive NOTHING for being disabled; some to my knowledge are STILL waiting for Congress to give them a PENNY; it is “bought” votes; mainly to have been for Hillary; illegals were flown in to get so they could be told “how” to “vote”;

We have Bruner and Gov. Strickland on this—Ohio has to hope against hope that they will keep things sane.

I am not much worried about ACORN—there may be a few “bad” regs there—they shouldnt have paid people by the number of regs. But, it would not be enough to turn it. If the GOP makes everyone doubt the results, that worries me. Did they say if it was the Ohio Supremes who decided she had to turn them over? Because they would stil be Taft appointees.

In 2004—thousand of “provisional” ballots were found in the garbage, when they were supposed to be being counted. We will never know. But, they were in “parts of town” that I would expect to go Kerry.

I just cannot do anythign this year. I have the Black Box Voting literature—I just dont know what to do with it, without a major party.

I re-read it—why the jump to teh US Supreme Court? because it was a federal court? Why not in Ohio?